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01:03, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Trueinternet

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Article has been declined twice, first admin said it had advertising and that it didn't have in-depth and reliable sources, so I revised language to reduce advertising and also added more citations. 2nd admin says sources are not reliable or independent. I would like to know specific reasons of the decline and how to fix this. The company has a lot more news coverage than what I have used. Also Which sources are considered unreliable and not independent? cannot possibly be all of them? Please provide a list of all the unreliable sources. Trueinternet (talk) 01:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Trueinternet: the reviewers (neither of whom is an admin) have chosen slightly different decline templates, but in both cases the decline reason is lack of evident notability (with a side of promotionality), because the sources are just routine business reporting which does not establish notability per WP:NCORP / WP:GNG. There is also nothing in this draft that would explain why it should be included in a global encyclopaedia – what impact has it had on the industry; how has it 'moved the needle'; how is it doing things fundamentally differently from its peers? To me this just describes a very ordinary ROTM hosting provider. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You may not know this but WP Engine is the most well known Wordpress hosting company. One of the news articles from 2018 said they had 75,000 customer at that time. It must be much more by now. As one of the biggest hosting companies, that is why they should be on Wikipedia. I am a web designer and personally always recommending them to my Web design clients who want to have a faster hosting and speed up their website. Tell me how I can modify the draft to make it work. I know I am not supposed to say things that sound promotional or not cited, so it could be challenging, but the fact that they have so much news coverage, would proof that they are a notable and well known company. Trueinternet (talk) 07:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please also check these articles below.
WP Engine Ranked Top 10 hosting company with 1.8% of all websites hosted by them.

https://www.hostingadvice .com/how-to/largest-web-hosting-companies/

Ranked #6 hosting company here

https://diggitymarketing.com/web-hosting/biggest-companies/

Ranked #17 here based on their Alexa ranking (Traffic) compared to other hosting companies

https://www.whtop.com/top.100-alexa-ranking

This link here shows they have 132,000 customers and ranked them as the #2 Wordpress Hosting company.

https://6sense.com/tech/wordpress-hosting/wp-engine-market-share

PC Mag has picked it as Top 10 best hosting company

https://www.pcmag.com/lists/best-web-hosting-services

Let me know if these additional articles help. If not, I can provide you dozens of other Top 10 articles that have included them as one of the Top hosting companies and have write ups on them.Trueinternet (talk) 20:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

01:59, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Bushido77

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Hello, I am confused as to why this article was rejected. Robert Heisner started a new martial arts system. Park Jong Soo (who has an article on Wikipedia) advertised Heisner as one of his lead instructors (cited in this article.)

Hironori Otsuka (who has an article on Wikipedia) signed his Second Degree Black Belt certificate in 1970 (cited in this article.)

Heisner has numerous newspaper reports about him and is acknowledged by other martial artists as one of the primary instructors in the Western New York area.

His Christian ministry impact was also evidenced in many newspaper reports.

Please help me understand what I am missing. Thank you. Bushido77 (talk) 01:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bushido77: you haven't shown that the subject is notable. Inventing a new martial art is not a notability criterion, although it may indirectly result in media coverage etc. that may make someone notable. But apparently the reviewer felt that this wasn't yet demonstrated by the sources cited.
The draft also needs to be rewritten in a more neutral and factual tone appropriate for an encyclopaedia. Content such as "His dedication to Jesus and marital integrity helped steer him into the training that would be valuable throughout his life." (and this is but one example of many) may be suitable for his obit or maybe some religious publication, but has no place here. All the peacockery and hagiography needs to go before this can be accepted. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the response. I will try again. I thought the commitment to Jesus was relevant as that is the reason he spent so many hours per week studying the martial arts while in Japan. Most other soldiers were drinking and chasing women... he trained in the martial arts instead. Bushido77 (talk) 11:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If an independent commentator talked about what you have just said, then you might be able to refer to it in the article. But Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 18:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again for the clarification. I will continue to work on this to meet the Wikipedia standards. Bushido77 (talk) 18:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On another (related) note, do you have any estimate on how many newspaper articles would be considered "enough?" At this point, there are roughly 30 newspaper reports about Heisner. Is that enough to establish "notability"? Are newspapers considered "reliable?" Thanks. Bushido77 (talk) 18:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most newspapers are probably reliable, but it depends on the paper. It's not the quantity of sources that matters as much as the quality. Fewer high quality sources are better than a large number of low quality sources. To pass this process, most reviewers look for at least three good sources. 331dot (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You declared a conflict of interest, what is the general nature of it? 331dot (talk) 18:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was a 40+ year student and good friend of Mr. Heisner. I also co-authored the book that documents the history of the Bushido Kai system. I have also been involved in ministry since meeting Robert Heisner. I have already been informed that it is difficult to overcome the formal (encyclopedic) nature of Wikipedia being close to the subject, but there are few who know the history as well as I do. I can work to make it more like an encyclopedia entry. Bushido77 (talk) 18:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply. 331dot (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

02:58, 26 August 2024 review of submission by PradhyumBajpai

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I Don't Know How the algorithm works please help me to create the Business model's page made by me... And let me improve the mistakes I have done PradhyumBajpai (talk) 02:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need references. Your article has no reference. Every single sentence should have a citation from a reliable source. Trueinternet (talk) 04:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PradhyumBajpai: this draft has been rejected and won't be considered further. You appear to have written about some own idea or invention of yours. Please note that Wikipedia does not publish original research, we only summarise what other sources have previously published. If you get your idea reviewed and discussed in academic journals or the mainstream media, it may then be possible to write an article on it based on their coverage, but not before. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

07:37, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Tool took

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Set a Wikipedia article Tool took (talk) 07:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pleases Check my draft Article Tool took (talk) 07:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tool took: please don't start multiple threads.
I have rejected your draft as it's purely (self-)promotional with zero evidence of notability.
Note also that blocked users are not allowed to edit under any account or IP address. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blocked as a sock. 331dot (talk) 08:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

09:28, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Ansaar20

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Why you rejecting this educational website Ansaar20 (talk) 09:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft does little more than say it exists. Wikipedia articles must do more, as this is not a mere database of things that exist. An article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about this website, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable website. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

11:28, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Istarek

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Hello, I am trying to create a page for Prof. David L. Sam, but my submission was declined due to insufficient reliable sources. Though, I am not sure if this comment means I need to add more sources, or that I need to change my current sources. I would appreciate your comments. Istarek (talk) 11:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Istarek Generally your first port of call shoudl be SafariScribe who declined it. I am sure they will be happy to give you their full rationale. I notice, though, that they have
tagged it for Primary Source. WP:PRIMARY will tell you how you may best use the, and that one shoudl be sparing with one's use.
Generally we wish for better sources, not more sources. Sometimes fewer and better sources is the answer 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 11:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:36, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Ahsan Ali Web Designeer

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Help me Ahsan Ali Web Designeer (talk) 12:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ahsan Ali Web Designeer It is flagged for deletion. Wikipedia is not a web host, nor is it the place to advertise your services. Please do not attempt to advertise here again. This is not social media, and it is hard to see how it can be mistaken for it. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 12:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your Sandbox is a place for you to try out content before either submitting to a draft or to mainspace. Clearly you are using your Sandbox to create an article about yourself, which is not only very much not playing cricket in Wikipedia's opinion, but it is also very clear to everyone that you are not notable enough for an article. Have you read Wikipedia's terms of service? Even the sandbox is still wikipedia's space, and you are not using it according to the terms of service. That is why you are getting this negative feedback. Spiralwidget (talk) 12:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:56, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Spiralwidget

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I recently became a reviewer, and I have been rejecting a few articles that do not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline or standards. I have found this draft and I think it is worthy of being accepted- I was wondering how to accept the draft? On the instructions page Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions it is clear that you press the "accept" button. No such button exists on my interface! I am very confused. Is there not a way to accept an article in the editor source code?Spiralwidget (talk) 12:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! Did a bit of research- I hadn't saved my preferences correctly to use AFCH. sorted it out now! Spiralwidget (talk) 13:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:11, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Visaassessment

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please advise on this . Visaassessment (talk) 14:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:20, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Srandle18

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Hello! Just wanting more clarification on the process for submission here and why this was rejected? Srandle18 (talk) 14:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Srandle18: The draft was rejected and will not be considered further due primarily to the reviewers' inability to find any sort of source that could help for notability and secondarily because it appears to be undisclosed mercenary work. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:20, 26 August 2024 review of submission by LukeLangille

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Hello! I'm looking for assistance on the Wikipedia draft article I have created, "Blackburn Brothers." I was told that the sources were not reliable. I am just looking for feedback on which ones I need to adjust and which ones are valid. There are many here and I am feeling a bit overwhelmed, not sure which ones need to be changed.

I'm also concerned that the band I am writing about has been around for many years and some of the articles I site are very old. Perhaps Wikipedia is not recognizing them as valid because the sites are outdated. I am not sure if this can be remedied at all.

Thanks, LukeLangille (talk) 14:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LukeLangille: You misread what the reviewer said. The reviewer stated that the submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources (emphasis mine). We have stricter sourcing requirements for articles about living people, and they can be summarised thus: Any claim that could potentially be challenged by a reasonable person MUST be sourced to a high-quality, third-party source that explicitly corroborates it or, failing that, removed.
I should also note we are not bound solely to online sources; we accept offline sources (books, magazines, newspapers) provided one provides enough information to look the source up in an offline archive, and we have bespoke templates specifically for the purpose. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:32, 26 August 2024 review of submission by 152.65.210.50

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Hi,

May I ask your kind assistance to help me publish this biographical page please? Thank you.

Best regards,


Marine 152.65.210.50 (talk) 14:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remember to log in when posting. The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15:33, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Doubletrouble10

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There is significant coverage in reliable sources of the subject cited on this page. Doubletrouble10 (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Doubletrouble10: Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
You've got one unambiguously good source. Most of the rest I could assess either barely discuss him or interview him. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:17, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, @Jéské Couriano, I'm a little confused on how the Austin Chronicle articles are not considered reliable sources, as it's in a reputable newspaper, published by a journalist. For the other citations, I mostly used them to reference the facts and information included within those sentences, not necessarily an entire article devoted to MacLennan. Thank you for your help and time! Doubletrouble10 (talk) 18:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:41, 26 August 2024 review of submission by 2409:40E5:1007:4F9E:8000:0:0:0

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My profile is not show 2409:40E5:1007:4F9E:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 16:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. We are not social media and we do not do profiles. We are an encyclopaedia and we write articles. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:54, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Tapazi

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I got my page accepted, which I am proud of, but there are 8 other pages in different Wikipedias about Ako, for example in the Latvian Wiki, Russian Wiki, Italian Wiki, Japanese Wiki and etc. I am wondering how I could link my English Wiki to those other ones. Tapazi (talk) 19:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tapazi, that's done in the languages menu. Bring that up, then click "add links". -- asilvering (talk) 07:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the language menu? Tapazi (talk) 07:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should be at the top of the page. It's the icon with the A and a chinese character. -- asilvering (talk) 07:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is, it says "No languages yet. Add a new one?" but there pages about it in other language Wiki's. And when I select the language, the only options is "Open language settings" which doesn't do anything. Tapazi (talk) 10:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tapazi: it's done via the 'Tools' menu > 'Add interlanguage links'. (At least that's how I do it.) Don't ask me why it's there and not in the 'Add languages' menu, baffles me. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just figured it out, thank you for helping me! Tapazi (talk) 11:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh, my bad. That's what I get for assuming the new Vector skin simply moved things around instead of completely changing how they work. (On the old Vector, it's very obvious...) -- asilvering (talk) 16:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:37, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Jpschahal

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https://g.co/kgs/Z5KUaZi why its getting rejected Jpschahal (talk) 20:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As KylieTastic explained, it was rejected because you didn't demonstrate that the subject is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. You keep posting that link, but that just shows a google search with the artist's spotify, youtube etc. as results; having a Spotify and a YouTube isn't how we measure notability. If you read the specific notability guideline for musicians, you'll notice that the kind of artist who qualifies for a Wikipedia page "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." In other words, people need to be writing articles for notable websites, magazines, newspapers, etc about this person. You haven't shown that to be the case. AntiDionysius (talk) 20:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:48, 26 August 2024 review of submission by 103.85.11.73

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i need to publish my article 103.85.11.73 (talk) 20:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Cullen328 (talk) 20:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

21:53, 26 August 2024 review of submission by Sophia.trifoli

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I would love help with adding more references to my wikipedia page to ensure that it will be passed. Sophia.trifoli (talk) 21:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, this isn't the place to ask for co-editors; we're just here to advise you on what is needed. It's best if you have references in hand before attempting to write an article. 331dot (talk) 22:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sophia.trifoli The only thing that will allow acceptance is that the subject passes the relevant notability criteria. As a musician he needs to pass WP:NMUSICIAN. This means that you need to spend more time researching and less time writing. The draft is virtually unreadable with great walls of text. You need to edit it right down, précis it, to summarise in your own words what is said about O'Leary in significant coverage from multiple reliable independent sources. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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