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Serban Ghenea's deleted article

Hi there, I noticed Serban's article was deleted in 2015 and am not sure why (I have to assume poor citation).

Serban has 17 Grammy Nominations and 9 Grammy wins.. One example is mixing Taylor Swift's Reputation, which was #1 with US Billboard 200 and was certified 3× Platinum by United States (RIAA) selling 2,000,000 copies .

A few other mentions of his mixing credits include Beck's Dreams, Keith Urban's "Little Bit of Everything" , and Empire of the Sun's album 'Ice on the Dune'.

Another citation of Serban winning a Grammy this year, plus a Nominee list, cited by New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/28/arts/music/grammy-winners.html https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/arts/06grammylist.html

I could go on. Go easy on me, as this is my first time on Teahouse. Hope I did OK :)

Dollsteak14 (talk) 03:10, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

References
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Um, in my opinion, no. Some of the references mention him, but are not articles or even paragraphs in articles ABOUT him. Curious to see what other people here at Teahouse opine. David notMD (talk) 03:22, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Hellp Dollsteak14 and welcome to the Teahouse. You've done just fine for a first-timer!

I have to agree with David notMD.

Producers are often unsung heroes in the music business and it's rare to find the sort of in-depth coverage that allows us to write an encyclopedia article about them. This coverage is essential for what Wikipedia calls notability.

So, to write about someone, we need to go beyond the fact that they exist. We need to go beyond a verified list of accomplishments. Someone out there has to have written something substantive about them. I'm afraid this is often a hard concept for new editors to completely grasp and there are lots of articles already on WP that don't meet our standards (they are being improved or deleted as they come to editors' attention).

I was going to give you a one-by-one comment on the proposed references, but the editor ate my work-in-progress. Let's just say that some of these references do not mention Ghenea at all while others only provide a name drop identifying him as having worked on a record; these sorts of reference can be used (if they come from sources considered reliable, which Billboard, Rolling Stone, and the New York Times generally are) to supply details in an article, but they do not help establish notability. The only one of these proposed references that does slightly more than mention Ghenea is the Rolling Stones' Warren Brothers article, which has a little bit of colorful anecdote regarding Ghenea, but no useful details. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:50, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Template edits in Talk

Hello,

Thank you in advance for helping me -- I strive to do the same for others.

I would love tips on editing a template with over 2,000 words. I work exclusively in Talk because I am paid by a company.

I am following the "please change X to Y using Z as a reference" model which was suggested to me by an editor who is more experienced and skilled.

Questions 1. How do I offer a citation when the copy is being edited mainly to shorten the amount of total words in one particular section of the WP page?

For example, I would like to request: Please change" "His travels took him to Austin and he decided to settle there, borrow $500, and open a meat business. Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own.[8]:5-7 He opened George A. Hormel & Co. in the northeast part of Austin in an old creamery building on the Cedar River."

To: "Hormel’s travels took him to Austin, where he borrowed $500 and opened a meat business with a partner, Albert Friedrich. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own[7]:5-7 in an old creamery building on the Cedar River."

2. Where exactly does the citation(s) go?

3. How do I structure and word the citation(s)?

Thank you, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, hello, Hello-Mary-H and welcome to the Teahouse.

Thank you for so scrupulously observing the guidance on conflict-of-interest editing.

While the "Replace X with Y using reference Z" model is usually good, there are times when you need to break out of trying to follow it too strictly. WP editors need to be able to understand exactly what you propose doing to an article, but you can indicate a section without necessarily copying it in toto. Your proposed replacement text should be as close to normal wiki-markup as possible, and can include <ref> tags at their proper locations in the new text. But the editor who handles your request will most likely be able to figure out what you meant if you just put in reference numbers, as you did in your example.

Not familiar with how citations work on Wikipedia? I suggest Help:referencing for beginners as a starting point. You are welcome and encouraged to directly edit areas of Wikipedia that do not involve your conflict of interest, but I can understand that may be too much of a busman's holiday to appeal to you. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Than why aricle is still there (wiki) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.50.109.99 (talk) 09:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

If this is a question about the Randy Jackson article, then it should not have its own section heading. Or, if about "Speedy Deletion" as it applies to a different article, which article? David notMD (talk) 09:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Article with a disturbing edit-war history

Would someone kindly drop by Randy Jackson (The Jacksons) to see if an unreliable source or sources is the cause for all the claims of lies and misinformation?Yestertempest (talk) 09:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Changed ref to article to hyperlink, as it was confusing. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Accessing my article

Hello

Two weeks ago I wrote the first draft of an article, which I edited about three times, but now I can’t access the article. All I can find is the editing history of the article, but not the article proper which I need to edit. Can you tell me how I can access the article so as to edit it? I only have one article and my username is Hanstherag.

Kind regards Hanstherag — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanstherag (talk • contribs) 11:00, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

If you click on the "Contributions" link at the top of any page, it will take you to Special:Contributions/Hanstherag, which includes your sandbox. It is not an article, but merely an unsubmitted draft, and if you were to submit it for review it would be declined as you have not provided evidence of the notability of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:06, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Hanstherag: To add to the advice above, you might want to read our specific criteria of notability for people accused of a crime. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Women of the Bedchamber to HM Queen Victoria

Is there a way that you can create articles called "Women of the Bedchamber" and "Maids of Honour"? I can start it off with the Women of the Bedchamber and Maids-of-Honour to HM Queen Victoria. Please and thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crean.carter (talk • contribs) 15:57, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

How would "Women of the Bedchamber" differ from Lady of the Bedchamber? Eddie Blick (talk) 17:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

@Teblick and Crean.carter: We already have a separate article about Women of the Bedchamber, which discusses the distinction a bit and says it is a lower rank than Lady of the Bedchamber. One could probably consider merging the articles, or having an overview article about the two. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

WhoScored.com

Is this football website WhoScored.com is reliable and can I use this website's source for reference? Bayernfan2003 (talk) 12:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bayernfan2003: - you can find that out by posting a question at the reliable sources noticeboard, or ask WikiProject Football for a specialist opinion. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 13:29, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

References

Hi everyone it's Sello diphoko again. I wanted to submit an article but it was rejected because of it was not ediquate so I want to know how do I make my references ediquate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sello diphoko (talk • contribs) 12:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

• @Sello diphoko: Assuming this is about Draft:Sello_Daniel_diphoko, read Wikipedia:Autobiography#Creating an article about yourself before anything else. I strongly suggest forgetting about getting an article about yourself. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Sports team colors

So Sabbatino and I were in a dispute about the capitalization of sports team colors about two weeks ago, which we tried to settle in Talk:Milwaukee Bucks, but I don't feel that it is fully resolved. I first noticed him edit the team colors on the Milwaukee Bucks page, but looking back at his contribs, I noticed he did this for a number of other American sports teams as well. Sabbatino argues that almost all names for team colors are common nouns, and thus should not be capitalized; however, I saw contention in the belief that this should apply to colors with proper nouns as well. On the talk page I tried to argue that the whole names of team colors, when they include proper nouns and/or are created specifically for the team, are themselves proper nouns and should be fully capitalized. For example, the colors "Good Land Green", "Great Lakes Blue", and "Cream City Cream" were edited to make green, blue, and cream lowercase. When I tried editing it back to the way it was before, my edits got reverted. What is the precedent for team color names in this case, and am I in the wrong? TNats  ₃  03:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@TNats3: You did not give any good arguments and just left the discussion so it is funny that you decided to come here after about two weeks. Moving on to the subject, "Good Land green", "Great Lakes blue" and "Cream City cream" is the correct capitalization, because green, blue and cream are common words and their capitalization is unnecessary, whereas "Good Land", "Great Lakes" and "Cream City" are the nicknames so they should be capitalized. Teams or independent sources often use strange capitalization in their articles and they sometimes write their headings or text "LIKE THIS" or "Like This", but that does not mean the same should be applied in Wikipedia. The fact that I recently changed capitalization in other sports pages does not mean that I am wrong as editors just did not have time (or did not care) to change them so there is no reason to single out my edits. I mainly edit sports pages and I know what should or should not be done, and I have been doing this for a longer time than you as you are a relatively new user so it is understandable that you might get confused when you do not know something. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:03, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: This is why I wanted another editor's take on this. I am unsure whose edits are correct, and I wanted someone else to arbitrate this discussion so we can achieve consensus. I don't know why you wanted to point out the fact that I brought this up again after two weeks, but I will tell you this: I wanted to wait and see if anyone else had input before getting involved again. I also tried to provide a good reason for my argument, and if you think it is flawed, please let me know. The rules in WP:MOS are actually unclear for this topic and don't provide any specific information for the names of team colors. I understand that you have had more experience editing Wikipedia than me, but experience doesn't tell all. Even experienced editors make mistakes, and if I turn out to be wrong (especially due to my relative inexperience), I will concede. I just want other editors' opinions on this so it will help both of us achieve consensus for this article and future articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TNats3 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

• @TNats3 and Sabbatino: Teahouse hosts will not adjudicate a content dispute. However, we can point you to our dispute resolution processes. You could try asking for a third opinion if it is a 1-vs-1 situation that has not degenerated into incivility, or open an RFC. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:02, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Tigraan: I am very well aware that this is not the place for content disputes. However, it is obvious that the other user does not know this. Regarding the matter about the colors, it is really 2 (me and other user) vs. 1 (this user) so it is evident that he just does not want to let this go despite the discussion taking place about 2 weeks ago. – Sabbatino (talk) 13:52, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Thank you for your advice. I referred this discussion to WP:3O. TNats  ₃  16:10, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Matthew Stevens (born 1992) Endurance Road Cyclist

Incorrectly links to Matthew Stevens the snooker player

Hello, I have removed the erroneous addition to Matthew Stevens (disambiguation), thank you for pointing this out. Currently Wikipedia doesn't have an article about this cyclist. For future reports and questions, please make sure to name the page where the problem occured (formatted as [[page title here]] within double square brackets) to help locating the error. GermanJoe (talk) 16:39, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Alternative Text

Hello, I have been trying to improve the article Dallin H. Oaks and this is my first time putting alternative texts on images. Using the page WP:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images, I believe I did it correctly, but when I mouse over the images, the alt text doesn't show up (except for the infobox image to which I did not add alternative text). I have tried to ask around and haven't had much luck. I want to make sure it worked and I did it correctly, but it's hard for me to tell if it's a browser issue, if I did something incorrectly, or if this is a common problem. Thanks so much! Skyes(BYU) (talk) 17:30, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Skyes, welcome to the Teahouse. Your alt text at Dallin H. Oaks looks fine to me. It normally doesn't show up on mouse hover for non-infobox images, but it should still be read with a screenreader. If you use Firefox, you can test it by right-clicking the image, then clicking "View image info" and looking at the "Associated Text" field in the "Media" tab. --Habst (talk) 18:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Habst, thank you so much for your help. I've been trying to get an answer to this question for over a month! I will definitely be coming back to the Teahouse for any other questions! Skyes(BYU) (talk) 18:15, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Is there an app with all the features required to view, edit and create articles?

Am new here and everything is kinda complex and confusing, pages here and there. I think an app would help me better. Any suggestions? KevinW7 (talk) 19:31, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello KevinW7, and welcome to our Teahouse. Yes, it can be a bit complex at first. Do give The Wikipedia Adventure a go, to give you a feel for what's involved. The are a few apps, mostly for viewing, rather than editing. See here. You might find our Visual Editor gives you the best WISIWYG interface of our two editing tools. Hope this helps. Regards from the Swiss Alps. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:45, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Meeting notability threshold

Hi, I am a beginner at Wikipedia and am excited to contribute. I came across this gentleman named Daniel Levine and researched about him. He is a trends expert and has been mentioned in a lot of press stories in HuffPost, Washington Post, Forbes etc. His views on that particular trend have been quoted but there is no particular news article sufficiently talking about him. Does he meet the notability threshold worthy of a Wikipedia page? Please guide. AlphaKGN (talk) 21:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Probably not. Was there anything in particular that you read that "peaked your interest" and resembled significant coverage in independent, reliable sources? I have a hard time imagining becoming interested in someone based on some quotes about millenial behavior. Vexations (talk) 21:31, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

No, nothing significant. Perhaps I will do more research on him or find some other topic to write on. Thanks for your views. AlphaKGN (talk) 21:39, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Cities in Ireland

There's a category called Cities in Ireland which is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cities_in_Ireland

But when you search for it and click on Cities in Ireland which is here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cities_in_Ireland&redirect=no you are redirected to the page City status in Ireland

Are categories not searchable?

If they are searchable, it's no wonder it doesn't show up when they both have the same name. One of them needs to be renamed, or the redirect for Cities in Ireland removed if it's for the category page. Danstarr69 (talk)

@Danstarr69: - categories are searchable. However, like articles and pages in WP space (the Top 25 Report and the Teahouse, for instance), your search must begin with the word "Category:", as it won't show up directly without this. All categories, as the name suggests, begin this way. The reason for this divide is less obvious in your case, but consider Category:United States - if someone searches for United States, they want the relevant article, not an index. Hence, you are conflating two different pages - Category:Cities in Ireland and Cities in Ireland, which are in different namespaces, and hence are searched for in different manners. An article in mainspace similar to the category would be "List of cities in Ireland", which similarly redirects as there is no need to fork the content unnecessarily. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 15:15, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Stormy clouds, This page (ie the Teahouse) now shows up in the Cities in Ireland category. I don't know whether it is going to bot-magically disappear, but thought you might want to know. Pincrete (talk) 23:11, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pincrete: - whoops. Did I do that? Good spot, and thanks for the alert - fixed it now.

Question on Biography

After researching and writing a short biography about a notable actress in the Nigerian movie industry, how do I have it published on Wikipedia ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenwinks Digital (talk • contribs)

Hello, Greenwinks Digital. I am afraid that I have nominated User:Greenwinks Digital/sandbox/ Nneka Adams as I believe it is a copyright violation.

Please note the following (I am assuming that Adams is a client of Greenwinks Digital: if I am wrong, then part of what I say may not be applicable):

1. Wikipedia may not be used for promotion of any kind.
2. If you represent Adams, then you are strongly discouraged from working on an article about her because of your conflict of interest. If you are in any way paid to do so (eg as part of your job), then you must declare this as spelt out in WP:PAID.
3. If you decide to go ahead with it, please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in anything said about Adams by herself, her family or friends, her employers, or her agents. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with her have chosen to publish about her in reliable places.
4. The subject of a Wikipedia article must be notable in the special sense in which Wikipedia uses the word, or no article will be accepted.
5. There are particular requirements on referencing for biographies of living people.
6. If an article about Adams is accepted, it will not belong to Adams or her associates, and they will have no control whatever over the content of the article. Their involvement should be limited to making suggestions, which will be acted at the discretion of uninvolved editors.
7. Usernames which suggest that they are editing on behalf of any organisation are not permitted. Since you have made very few edits, I suggest you abandon that account, and create a new one with a name that does not suggest that. (You can get an account renamed, but I doubt it is worth it in this case).

After looking at the various links I have included, I suggest you go on to read your first article. You might also like to glance at the steps which ian.thomson has listed in several answers further up this page. --ColinFine (talk) 00:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

My article on Michael R.Rampino still says waiting for review

I'm new to Wikipedia editing & posted my first new article on geologist Michael R. Rampino. I got a message that it had been reviewed weeks ago, but it still features a box that says it hasn't been reviewed.

How do I remove the waiting for review box?

Thanks & looking forward, Amelia (VesSols) — Preceding unsigned comment added by VesSols (talk • contribs) 21:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

After posting this, I answered my own question by going back to the page & eliminating the box in question. Hope that's correct protocol. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by VesSols (talk • contribs) 22:03, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Um, not a valid article. Citations are supposed to be to published content ABOUT Rampino. What you have provided is references to journal articles written BY Rampino. And other content with no citations. David notMD (talk) 01:05, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

World Wood Day

Help, can someone help me? Draft:World Wood Day My last editor is trying to tie World Wood Day with the International Day of Forests. Help! SteveSteve at IWCS (talk) 22:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Steve at IWCS and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'd like you to consider that you may have a conflict of interest regarding the subject of this draft. Please make the appropriate disclosures on your user page and on the talk page of the draft.

I agree with you that it should be clear the event you've written about is not the same as the International Day of Forests. It was a good idea for the reviewer to check, but they should have noticed that there is no overlap in the dates and locations of the events described.

I'm not sure that your draft has established the notability of these events. I looked at a few of the references you cited and they seem to be somewhat in-bubble coverage and not sufficiently independent or in-depth to help establish notability. We're not disputing that the events exist, we're looking for there to be enough independent reportage for it to be possible to write a neutral encyclopedia article about it. There are a number of sections of your draft without sources. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

CLS Cape Otway Built at Cockatoo Island Dockyard 1930-31 Why not listed as Australian built Ships ( Cape Lighthouse Ship) for West Australian Lighthousers

--101.186.106.42 (talk) 02:43, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP Editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. List of lighthouses and lightvessels in Australia does not appear to include any lightvessels at the moment. There is an article Cape Otway Lighthouse, but none about CLS Cape Otway that I can find. Can yoiu supply reliable sources about this lightship? If yiou can, an article might be created. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:01, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

signing required?

(+1,944) what does green numbers and red numbers next to your name means? Also, why must you sign every things? Can't other tell who you are here. Doesn't anything I post get time stamped. Is UTC universal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelegaldude (talk • contribs) 01:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Thelegaldude. It's good form to sign your posts on talk pages and at the Teahouse with four tildes:~~~~ so people know who posted the comment. Yes, there is a way to discern who posted the comment, but there are a lot of people on WP posting comments. It's a polite way to let people know who posted the comment so they know who they're replying to. A bot regularly goes around and signs it for the new people who don't know how to sign yet, or the occasional experienced user who might forget. So next time you post at the Teahouse please sign your post. Regards, Coryphantha Talk 02:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Hello again Thelegaldude, I think I've seen you at the Teahouse before.

It would help if you gave some more context to your question, so I'm left to guess that you are looking at either the edit history of an article or at your own contribution list. The numbers given are typically the size of the article in bytes and green or red numbers signify the net number of bytes added (green) or removed (red) from the article. Note that this is a simple net change calculation and is not an indicator of how many bytes were changed.

As for signing, you are not expected to sign your contributions in article or draft space. The responsibility for edits is recorded in the edit history. On talk pages and other forum-like places (such as this Teahouse), you are requested to sign because it is structured more like a give-and-take conversation and things are just much easier if the writer of a question or response can be identified in-line. I can't imagine how hard it would be to figure out a long discussion about some policy matter if the individual contributors to the discussion had to be looked up every time.

Yes, UTC is a strange abbreviation for Coordinated Universal Time, sometimes called Greenwich or Zulu. Since WP participants live all around the world, using UTC puts timestamps in a form that can be consistent for everyone. There are options available to you in your Preferences and through user scripts to display these timestamps in your local time, if UTC is too uncomfortable. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, Thelegaldude. Please do sign posts on talk and discussion pages, such as this one, and such as deletion discussion pages and article talk pages, with four tildes (~~~~). The wiki software will convert this to a link to your user page, or your custom signature if you have one set up, plus a timestamp. In addition to making things much easier for human readers, various scripts and automated processes make use of signatures to identify comments in threads. Scripts to archive talk pages rely on signatures to know when to archive a thread. pings only work if they are included in signed comments. See WP:SIGN for more details. Please do sign talk and discussion page posts in future. Thank you. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Women Disobey

I have started a stub on the protests yesterday in Washington, D.C. that led to 575 arrests following acts of civil disobedience. I would like help from any one fore or against in building this page. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:54, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Need help to improve language of Sai Kaustuv Dasgupta

Need help from tea house for improving the language and style of the article Sai Kaustuv Dasgupta, I request to take a look to the article and kindly solve the errors please ATK55 talk —Preceding undated comment added 04:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

SALIM BARAKAT entry, discussion re conflict of interest COI

Received message on my Talk Page that Jim will get back to me. Firstly, I wish to say that I do not have an employer. I do not get paid for my writing or have funding or any kind. It is an expense for me. Secondly, I need to say that the article being published in the journal I referenced is my own. Nobody else has been able to translate the particular poem quoted by Mahmud Darwish, and nobody else can translate the poetry of Salim Barakat. That is why I am doing this work. To be quite clear on this point: There are no English translations available of Salim Barakat's poetry, except what I am currently publishing with IJOKS (the International Journal of Kurdish Studies). As far as any edit I propose to do on the MAHMOUD DARWISH entry, I am in an advantageous position of being able to translate to English from both Hebrew and Arabic. I hope I will be able to rely on my own published article in ArOr (Prague: May 25, 2018). Aviva Butt (talk) 03:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Aviva Butt and welcome back to the Teahouse.

It appears you may be misunderstanding what constitutes a conflict of interest. While PAID editing is always a conflict, there are many ways of having a conflict unrelated to being paid. Have a close relationship with the subject of an article is the most usual case, people who try to write about themselves, their family, friends, school, etc. But it is no less a conflict to edit an article that quotes you and cites you.

After looking at the Barakat article and its references, it looks to me to be very thin on support for notability. You are in a position to know where most of the scholarly writing on Salim Barakat can be found, so your help with the article is valuable. But adding your own scholarship to the article is problematic overall and I couldn't let it go without raising the issue more broadly once I became aware of it. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:45, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Sign

How can I sign my messages on talk pages ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfmbty (talk • contribs) 06:36, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Tfmbty, you could sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your message. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 06:53, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

New To Wikipedia

Hey I'm new to Wikipedia and want to Learn about wikipedia. I've started from Editing as it was recommended. Please guide me how to use wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DigitalMahesh95 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

DigitalMahesh95 Welcome to Teahouse. I have placed a "welcome message" on your talk page where you would find many helpful links and info to start off your contribution to Wikipedia. You would also continue with those articles which you are familiar such as those three you have edited. Also you could visit maintenance for there are many areas/categories where help are needed. Do visit Teahouse again if you have further questions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:06, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Deanna Kamiel and User:Katsheron

I reviewed Draft:Deanna Kamiel and declined it as not establishing notability. I received a message on my talk page from User:Katsheron on my talk page. This is a two-part request. First, can someone please help User:Katsheron by telling them how to post a question on a user talk page? Katsheron tried to top-post the question to my talk page, and, in the process, inserted it into the middle of a collapsed top-post, therefore making their post invisible. I didn’t know it was that difficult to ask a question, but maybe it is. (Murphy’s Law is that if anything can possibly go wrong, it will. There seems to be a corollary that if something has been designed so that it cannot possibly go wrong, it will go wrong anyway, such as top-posting into a collapsed top-post.) Can someone please tell them how to ask future questions? Second, Katsheron said that they thought that the link that they had made to a reference citing a Guggenheim Fellowship established notability. If there is a notability guide saying that Guggenheim Fellowships establish notability, then of course I will accept the draft, but I was not aware of such a notability rule. (Also, the mention of the award is made sort of back-handedly.) Will other experienced editors please look at the draft and advise me as to whether I should accept it and advise the author as to how they can improve it? Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:18, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Robert McClenon. The issue of Guggenheim Fellowships and notability came up earlier here in the Teahouse, asked by the same user, User:Katsheron. The only place where I found the Guggenheim Fellowships specifically mentioned in a context of notability is at WP:NACADEMIC#C2. I think I was correct in saying that the Guggenheim substantially helps towards establishing notability, but that more coverage is required for there to be an accepted article. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, WP:ANYBIO says: 1. The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times. I believe that the award of a Guggenheim Fellowship meets this criterion. Thw draft need significant improvevment and cleanup, but ZI think that on this basis alone it passes notability. The mention at WP:NACADEMIC#C2, linked above, where the guideline says: Some less significant academic honors and awards that confer a high level of academic prestige also can be used to satisfy Criterion 2. Examples may include certain awards, honors and prizes of notable academic societies, of notable foundations and trusts (e.g., the Guggenheim Fellowship, Linguapax Prize), etc. seems to me to confirm this view. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:23, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments on notability. Now, can someone please give User:Katsheron some advice on how to use a user talk page? Robert McClenon (talk) 08:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

band photo owned by band

i need someone to talk me through the process of uploading a photo that a member of the band gave me but i don't know how to upload it without it getting deleted the band owns the photo im sure but i'm at a loss as to how to keep it from being deleted its happened at least twice now and it's more important than ever because a member just died and the site will be getting a lot of hits. HELP! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratcheeseman (talk • contribs) 00:16, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Ratcheeseman, Greetings to you. the photographer is the copyrighted of the mage/photo and not you in this case, if the band member is the photography then their have to upload the image. If the photo is not taken by the band member, than the band member need to contact the photographer to upload the photo instead. In short, the release of the image would have to be from the copyright holder, and they have to check the the free use when uploading, releasing a free license such as CC-BY-SA. This means that anyone, anywhere in the world, is free to reuse the image for any purpose. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 01:18, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ratcheeseman. The useful bit that CASSIOPEIA didn't give you is the link to donating copyright materials, which explains what needs to happen. --ColinFine (talk) 08:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

Will I get notification when someone wants to edit any of my edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maartaacruz (talk • contribs) 07:41, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Maartaacruz: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If someone reverts one of your edits using the Undo or rollback buttons, you will be notified in the upper right corner of the screen(if you are using a computer). However, you will not be specifically notified if someone just edits the page after you(including if they just change what you edited and did not use rollback). You can, however, add any page you wish to monitor to your Watchlist, where you can observe the most recent edits to pages on your list. If using a computer, you should see a white star in a tab at the top of the page. If you click it, it will turn blue which adds the page to your list(which you can access by clicking "Watchlist" in the upper right corner of the screen). 331dot (talk) 08:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

"Need U" song by Tobu, dedicated to Avicii ◢◤

Hi anyone available to review a talk entry and comment on the data being in or out of the article? Here is the article's talk entry ""Need U" song by Tobu, dedicated to Avicii" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Avicii
- Thank you
Vwanweb (talk) 07:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Laser Brain. If Tobu (Latvian singer) had an article himself, maybe this info could go there, but you'd need to provide a reliable source for the information, independent of Tobu, to back it up (and not a Youtube comment). Rojomoke (talk) 09:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Valid edits for ECP status 30/500

Are all edits in English Wikipedia valid for the extended confirmed protection status? Specifically Talk Pages of Main namespace? Shushugah (talk) 20:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Shushugah: A list of those extended-confirmed protected pages can be found here: [1]. Any page can be extended-confirmed protected, but it is usually only done if either a) semi-protection is ineffective, or b) the Arbitration Committee has authorized the protection to be used on specific topics. Extended-protected pages are usually indicated with a blue padlock at the top of the page. — MRD2014 ^Talk 21:36, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

WP:ECP doesn't list any restrictions on what edits count towards the permission. Once an account is 30 days old and has 500 edits, the permission is automatically granted. However, the edits should be constructive and made in good faith; users who appear to be gaming the system by making trivial and repetitive edits to boost their edit count will face extra scrutiny. Good-faith discussion on talk pages is fine, though, and that's an excellent first step to getting involved in a topic area covered by ECP. The template {{edit extended-protected}} can also be used to suggest changes to any extended-protected page. clpo13_(talk) 21:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I’m glad to hear, because that rewards good collaboration and communication, not exclusively content generation. Shushugah (talk) 11:43, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Help publishing COI article

Hello all,

I wanted to get an article I've written in my sandbox to get published. I'm an paid editor for my employer and very new to Wikipedia. I've noticed that the rules on neutrality and COI are very strict (which I think is good).

I started drafting a page for my employer in my sandbox, before being completely familiar with these rules and their restrictions, such as not being able to directly edit the article itself. I attempted to write fairly and from a neutral standpoint, but others are fair to disagree with me and make edits if necessary. I understand if

Is there any way to contact a neutral editor and have it published, granted it meets neutrality requirements?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LuBowd (talk • contribs) 15:38, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

• @LuBowd: If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.

2) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

3) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.

4) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

5) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism. Make sure that you write it in a way that even people who hate the subject can agree with the phrasing.

6) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

7) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:44, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

(And other editors, I've already left a paid editing notice on their page). Ian.thomson (talk) 15:45, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: Thanks for the advice. I just want to clarify: will my article be rejected simply because of my COI?

Ian has appropriately put PAID on your User page, tried to dissuade you from attempting the article, and strongly recommended going through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process rather than directly creating said article. All good advice. I'll add that from fast look at your draft, many of your references do not contribute to supporting notability of the topic. David notMD (talk) 18:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD: Thanks for the advice. I feel properly dissuaded from directly publishing the article and will go through the AfC process sometime in the future. LuBowd (talk) 14:48, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Creating a category page

Can anyone create a category page? And how do you create them?

I've just been looking through the categories of UK cities and their many subcategories within other subcategories, and thought "A lot of these subcategories need more subcategories adding", but they don't exist yet. I've never created a normal Wikipedia page yet, and categories look like a simple place to start. These are some of the subcategories I'm wanting to add to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Categories_by_city_in_England mainly within my city for example Cemeteries in Bradford in the Category:Cemeteries in England by city subcategory. Danstarr69 (talk)

• @Danstarr69: Have you read Help:Category#Category_page_definition? I think it answers your first question, and partly answers your second question (page creation, which includes category creation, is possible for all autoconfirmed users.) Do ask if something is not clear. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

copyright infringmenet

I tried creating a new article (my first) and copied verbatim the brief bio sketch on the deceased webpage. I was given the speedy deletion tag. Can I simply go back to the draft and use my own words? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArtificialOctopus (talk • contribs) 15:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, ArtificialOctopus, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the answer is almost certainly not - but not because of Copyright. If you wrote it in your own words, it would probably get round the copyright issue, but it would probably not meet the requirements of neutrality and independent sourcing. Basically, Wikipedia is not interested in what any subject says about themselves, or what their friends, relatives, employees, agents, publicists, or associates say about them. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about them. Since the website is presumably a self-published source, only very limited information may be used from it, and the bulk of the information in an article needs to come from independent sources. Please have a look at notability. I also recommend you study your first article before embarking on the rather difficult task of creating a new Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Francisco Morales Llerena

I have already done quite some work on it, but I'm not sure it's enough. It's not my article. (the article was written by @Bodvar Antonio Gregersen:) I would prefer if it was just moved to article space so other editors will be more likely to jump in, but Robert McClenon suggested I ask here. I don't understand Spanish so I'm having great difficulty sourcing claims. Alexis Jazz (talk) 10:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

User:Alexis Jazz - If you do not understand Spanish and the sources are in Spanish, you might do well to ask for a co-editor. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposing to merge just a section of an article

Hello. I had some excellent help the last time I posted here so I'm back.

Currently I am working on getting improvement work done on the page Holism in science. Digging around in pursuit of that has lead me to the page Holism. On the Holism page there is a section Indications of holism in physical science that refers to Holism in science as the main page. The section needs some significant cleanup (as does the rest of the Holism page but that is another project I suppose) but what I would like advice on is whether merging just sections of an article is a thing that we do. The section covers a lot of material not covered in the Holism in science article (although it needs proper citations or removal) and I'm just not really really clear on what the best way to go about this is.

Much obliged to the adviceRap Chart Mike (talk) 18:46, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I think I'm reading here, Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia, that the best to do might be to copy it through and leave notes for attribution. My concern here will be that after bringing the material over Ill be adding and removing content. Thoughts? Rap Chart Mike (talk) 19:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

There are two questions here.

1. Whether your projected section merge or move (not sure what you propose exactly) is desirable for the encyclopedia. I cannot answer this (not my domain, and not clear what you want to do), but there is absolutely no ban on doing section copy-pastes.
2. Whether copying one section into another is technically feasible. The answer is a cautious yes. Per the page you cited, you absolutely need to give attribution in the edit in which you make the copy-paste. Furthermore, in light of this, I would strongly suggest that you start with a simple copy-paste of article A into article B (no changing words between the copy and the paste) and then you edit article B to your leisure, so that people know exactly what came from article A and what you edited (you are not obliged to do so, but I strongly encourage you to). If you need some time to make corrections after the copy-paste, you may use {{under construction}} or {{in use}} to signal to other editors that they should avoid interfering with you (just to be clear: using either template does not absolutely prevent editing from others, but they will usually refrain out of courtesy).

Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, reading my question again I see a lack of clarity. What I've settled on is using Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia as a guideline and copying the content i want into a sandbox, editing it there, and then putting into into the destination article piecemeal with each step of the editing process noted according to preserve attribution. I figure if it's done that way it's (similarly to what you said) easier for people to figure it out. Rap Chart Mike (talk) 16:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Also, I won't have this watchlisted so please ping me if there is further comment. Rap Chart Mike (talk) 16:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Khaled Juffali Saudi businessman

Early Life - Juffali is the son of Ahmed Abdullah Juffali (1926-1994) the founder of E.A. Juffali and Brothers, one of Saudi Arabia's Largest Companies. His older brother is the billionaire Walid Juffali and his sister is Maha Juffali. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhc2639 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Rhc2639 and welcome to the Teahouse.

It appears you would like to request that an article be written. The place to do this is WP:Requested Articles and in this case, more specifically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics/People_in_business#J. To help your request along, you should supply at least one notability reference. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:03, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Get an article reviewed again, and then hopefully published?

"Megillah Project" is my first attempt at writing a Wikipedia Article. Quickly after submitting my first draft, I got declined. So, I fixed the problem, and resubmitted a second draft. It has now been over three weeks. Please tell me what I can do now to get the article reviewed again, and then hopefully published? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waltklap (talk • contribs) 16:33, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Waltklap and welcome to the Teahouse.

Your proposed draft is rather short. And, given the reviewer's comment that it needed more context, I'd like to suggest that you consider adding this information to an existing article, perhaps DVD. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

uploading of Photo

How to upload a photo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajyadhikaraparty (talk • contribs) 16:20, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, User:Rajyadhikaraparty - to upload a photo, use the Upload Wizard, which will take you through the process step-by-step. Ensure that the photo complies with copyright regulations, or is intended for specific fair use before uploading, as otherwise it cannot be stored by Wikimedia Commons. Stormy clouds (talk) 18:41, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Citation Tags

What to do to add citations? Please help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Good Videos (talk • contribs) 17:33, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Good Videos: Welcome to the Teahouse! See WP:CITEFOOT for how to cite sources. Or you can use the {{Citation}} tag, so it will look something like this:

According to Source 2028, millions of words are example text.{{Citation|last=Doe|first=John|title=Example title|publisher=Example publisher}} More sentences.

Hope that helps! Please remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 18:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:42, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Article PROD

Amou Haji is proded, please give your opinions Accesscrawl (talk) 13:40, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Accesscrawl and thanks for bringing your concern to the Teahouse.

No discussion or opinions are expected for a PROD. If you want a discussion, simply remove the PROD - anyone can do it - and instead do an AfD nomination. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:36, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Accesscrawl (talk) 15:45, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

It's been moved to AfD. David notMD (talk) 18:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Only html for entries?

I want to add a name to the Canadian Writer's pageOnomasticonist (talk) 15:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC) but do not know html. Is there another format?

Hello, Onomasticonist. No, you don't need to know any HTML at all to edit Wikipedia: that's not what it works on. You do need to know at least some Wikimedia markup - see Cheat sheet. However, more important than worrying about the format is understanding Wikipedia's principles and policies for the information it contains.

I'm guessing that you refer to the article List of Canadian writers - if not, you'll need to tell us which article you mean. To get the formatting for a new entry, you just need to edit the article, and you can copy a line in the table and change its contents. However, you may notice that every single name in that article is in blue, which means that every one is a link to a Wikipedia article about that writer. This is the rule for most lists: they contain only entries which Wikipedia already has an article for.

So if there is already a Wikipedia article about the writer, then you may add a line to that list article. If not, then there needs to be an article about them first. Creating a new article in Wikipedia is one of the harder tasks, and Your first article will give you lots of useful advice. Alternatively, you might try requesting one at WT:WikiProject Canada - there's no guarantee anybody will pick up your request, but they might. But do be aware that if the writer in question is not notable (in Wikipedia's special sense of the word), then it is not currently possible to write an acceptable article about them, because adequate sources simply don't exist. --ColinFine (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

If you refer to Category:Canadian writers then it's a category and it's only possible to add existing pages to a category. See Help:Category#Putting pages into categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:07, 29 June 2018 (UTC)