User talk:Vnonymous

JULY 2017

Every school that I key in is in bilingual language, and it is a complete list of chinese school, I dont know why you keep deleting my contribution. Your list not complete at all, Please stop doing this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Humanlive (talk • contribs) 13:38, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Humanlive: Tell me which Wikipedia policy specifies the use of two different names. What is this [alternate name] [real name]? This is English Wikipedia, not Chinese Wikipedia. Chinese scripts can be kept in Chinese Wikipedia. When the English name alone should suffice, where is the need to add another Chinese name?

See WP:PLACE and [1]. Thank you.

Vnonymous 15:29, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Vnonymous: Keep it up. This person(Humanlive) kept putting alternate Chinese names on literally everything he could think of. I've been doing a lot of cleaning up since undoing the unnecessary unofficial Chinese names. Probably pushing some sort of agenda, no idea.

@Alice715: Thank you. I just cannot see the point of a Chinese script beside each listed item, when the English name alone should suffice. Vnonymous 10:01, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

October 2016

Hello, I'm LoudLizard. I noticed that you recently removed some content from George Town, Penang without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Please ensure that you provide a reason in the edit summary if you are removing large amounts of text. Thanks! LoudLizard (📞 | contribs | ✉) 16:36, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Dear TalkLizard, As for the article on George Town, Penang, I find the introduction too heavily laden with excessive historical content. The historical details are best left further below at the history section, don't you think ? I summarized George Town's history to include only the important events. I have also added logistical connections and George Town's growth.

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Creating redirects

Hi Vnonymous. Thank you for creating the new articles about George Town. Just a small note that it is not necessary to create so many redirects for these articles. Usually, Google's search engine can automatically locate the articles. Thank you and happy editing. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:13, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

@Lemongirl942: Noted with thanks. I just thought some redirects may be necessary if someone is to search, for instance, Pitt Street, Penang, instead of Pitt Street, George Town, as both the terms 'George Town' and 'Penang' tend to be used interchangeably. Thank you for your feedback, and if you do have further suggestions, feel free to let me know. Vnonymous 14:19, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey Vnonymous. Thank you for creating more articles and helping to add content! Btw, I just noticed some notices on your talk page. Did you have a look at them? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 20:19, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

There seems to be a discussion here and it would help if you could participate. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 20:21, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Your image uploads

Regarding your image uploads, they were taken with many different cameras, such as Canon, Sony, Samsung, Nikon, and Panasonic. Please tell me where you are getting these pictures from. Many thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:31, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: Regarding my image uploads, I either took them myself or received them from my friends who have been to Penang. I have been keeping those images for archiving purposes.Vnonymous 03:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you kindly. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:51, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

February 2017

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Ways to improve Prangin Road, George Town

Hi, I'm Seligne. Vnonymous, thanks for creating Prangin Road, George Town!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. There is some redundancy in the text. Also, no flags in Infobox according to MoS. Good job overall!

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Empire of Japan link

I think specific is more appropriate. See this. Thank you and have a nice day. 43.251.164.125 (talk) 12:11, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I'm pleased to award you this barnstar as a token of recognition for your excellent work on the Operation Jurist article. Nick-D (talk) 07:47, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

April 2017

Hi, When creating articles you need to remember infoboxes should look like the example below:

{{Infobox shopping mall<br /> <nowiki>|shopping mall name = Queensbay Mall
|image = Queensbay Mall, Penang, Malaysia.JPG
|location = [[Bayan Lepas]], [[Penang]], [[Malaysia]]
|opening date = 2006
|number of stores = 400
|floors = 5
|coordinates = {{coord|5.3346|100.3066|display=inline,title}}|floor_area={{convert|879930|sqft|m2|abbr=on}}
|website = {{URL|http://queensbaymallmalaysia.com/}}
}}

NOT {{Infobox shopping mall|image=Queensbay Mall, Penang, Malaysia.JPG|location=[[Bayan Lepas]], [[Penang]], [[Malaysia]]|coordinates={{coord|5.3346|100.3066|display=inline,title}}|floor_area={{convert|879930|sqft|m2|abbr=on}}|number_of_stores=400|shopping_mall_name=Queensbay Mall|website={{URL|http://queensbaymallmalaysia.com/}}|opening_date=2006|floors=5}}

The second layout helps absolutely no one,
Also the references and reflist header should always be above External Links,
Thanks. –Davey2010^Talk 01:29, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@Davey2010: Noted. I apologise for any misunderstanding and shall bear that in mind. I typically use the visual editing option. Hence, when you edited the infoboxes manually, the missing information was due to the missing symbol in the parameters (_). Anyway, if you do have further suggestions, feel free to let me know.
Thanks. -Vnonymous 01:49, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Vnonymous, No worries we all make mistakes :), I apologise for being cagey with you - It's just at the time seeing you undo my edit didn't make much sense but anyway thank you for fixing my mistakes with the underscore :),

Thanks, Happy editing, –Davey2010^Talk 13:21, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar！

	Barnstar
	I forgot to thank you and now greets,you File:Wider George Town location map.png that how you do it, I would like to do a North Seberang Perai area version bot no material.. Did u noticed it? angys (Talk Talk) 15:40, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I wonder how you do it and I would like to create a similar version for Sebetang Perai.So may you do me a favor? angys (Talk Talk) 09:24, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@*angys*: Hey. Thanks and I may consider another version for Seberang Perai, if a map is necessary.Vnonymous 06:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

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Edit warring about Tamil script in infobox; signature does not link

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Ways to improve Constituencies of Penang

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I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to create this - it's appreciated. It's now been reviewed and has had some improvement tags added. If you have the time, could you look it over and see if you can help address any of the issues raised in the tags? Thanks again for your hard work.

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Location Map of Asia

Hi. I was wondering why you created Module:Location map/data/Asia. Template:Location map Asia already exists, and unlike the map you used, it actually shows the whole of Asia (File:Map of Penang International Airport destinations.png is missing the northern part of Russia and the western part of Turkey) - creating Module:Location map/data/Asia has broken the QUESS page, for instance, because one of the locations no longer fits on the map. Unless there's a reason Module:Location map/data/Asia needs to exist, I'm going to nominate it for deletion as redundant. Smurrayinchester 07:53, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

@Smurrayinchester: Hi. I intended the map to display the destinations out of Penang International Airport. The map File:Map of Penang International Airport destinations.png thus only covers up to the farthest destination reachable from that airport, not the entire Asian continent. I have renamed the module to Module:Location map/data/Penang International Airport destinations and I hope this reduces any complications that may arise. Thanks for your feedback.Vnonymous 10:22, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Smurrayinchester 10:34, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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November 2017

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WP:SIGLINK

Hello Vnonymous. Your signature should link to your user page or user talk page, per WP:SIGLINK. I previously warned you about this on July 9. Most likely, you should go to Special:Preferences/User profile and clear the check box 'Treat the above as wiki markup' which is in the signature section. A recent example of the problem was here, where you signed a post using the plain text 'Vnonymous' which doesn't link to anything. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 23:36, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

If you continue to ignore the signature issue and the minor-edits issue (explained above) you are risking a block. EdJohnston (talk) 04:58, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Noted. - Vnonymous (talk) 09:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Reply

File:Petaling Jaya Emblem.svg same situation. They didn't allow us to copy from the website and upload directly. I think now only User:Muffin Wizard can help to create the emblem. I already contact Muffin but seems no reply yet. angys (Talk Talk) 04:47, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

@*angys*: Allright. Thanks and try to get in touch with Muffin Wizard. Preferably, the emblems of all city councils in Malaysia should be made available on Commons. Otherwise, I would have to avoid from using the emblems at all in any Wikipedia lists about Malaysian cities, such as List of cities in Malaysia, for consistency sake.

By the way, I heard that Iskandar Puteri will have a new emblem as well. Vnonymous (talk) 09:48, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

, maybe you can use PS to change some elememt of the picture make it difference from the official portal's logo. Muffin Wizards already inactive. And I had saw the new emblem from neswpaper before. The website is open but info still JBT.

Oh, have your heard about Asian Month, maybe you can continue do for the Penang constituency for Seberang Perai Thanks angys (Talk Talk) 15:14, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

@*angys*: I see. Perhaps I could try that for the emblems, though I hope the same issue about non-free use copyright does not resurface. And I suppose since MPJBT will be upgraded, their website will be changed very soon as well, so I presume the new emblem will appear there.

Sure, I could try for the constituencies, if I have the time, which I am short of at the moment. I do need alot of time for all 22 constituencies, by the way. Vnonymous (talk) 22:27, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

OK, the website for now doesn't work. The constituency maybe can start from SPT or Butterworth.... So for the emblem maybe just waiting, thank you. angys (Talk Talk) 23:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Actually now I know why that picture was deleted but other didn't. It is because the English Wikipedia already exist the non free logo file. So maybe next time needs to unuse the English Wikipedia logo and upload a new one after the logo has been deleted. I would like to tell you that MBIP already post their logo at facebook but not in vector, maybe you can try to do it? angys (Talk Talk) 12:01, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@*angys*:I see. So you mean that the non-free logos in Wikipedia should be deleted? As far as I know, the logos are not available in Commons.Vnonymous (talk) 08:30, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, if didnt the admin will find from english wikipedia and say the logo is non-free. angys (Talk Talk) 09:55, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, this is not first time that he/she do that.The user also do same action on Chinese Wikipedia repeatly, also said this

Hello everyone, I have a new question to ask everyone. As we all know, Kuala Lumpur has the largest population in the country. It is undoubtedly the largest city in Malaysia. However, what I want to explore today is whether the second largest city in Malaysia is or is not George Town? 2010 Malaysian census data show that the population of Georgetown is a bit more than Johor Bahru, but now it has been eight years now. Are you sure George (town) is the second largest city? If you read all the major newspapers in Malaysia, you will find that they are all writing Johor Bahru. It is Malaysia's second largest city. You will not find them writing George Town as the second most. This shows that Wikipedia runs counter to the real world. If editors continue to use old data from 2010 as content, this is dangerous and can cause people to stop believing in us! Besides this year, the population of Johor Bahru is nearly 800,000 (at least 780,000) [1]. However, according to the Penang website, there are about 720,000 people in Penang Island [2]. Moreover, the population of Johor Bahru based on the CIA's documentation [2] is larger than that of Georgetown. If there is a big gap between the development of the two cities, I can accept that cities with better development will continue to maintain their rankings and will not be surpassed. But today's situation is different. If you compare, you will find Johor Bahru growing even better. If it is the first three years, I forget, but now has been eight years so long, you can be sure that George Town will not be beyond by the Johor Bahru? Where is the evidence? I wrote it here first and I will continue to write more proofs that George Town is not the second largest city. If you are a responsible Wikipedian, you must pay attention to this issue and prevent any sensitive words about 'second city' from appearing unless you wait until the 2020 census data is released! ! ! 大家好，我有个新问题想请教大家。众所周知，吉隆坡的人口是全国最多的，它作为马来西亚最大城市是毫无争议的。然而今天我想要探讨的是现在马来西亚第二大城市到底还是不是乔治市？2010年大马人口普查数据显示乔治市人口比新山多了一些，但现在已经8年过去了呀，你就这么确定乔治是还是第二大城市么？大家如果有仔细阅读马来西亚各大报章的话，一定会发现到他们都在写新山是马来西亚第二大城市，你不会发现到他们写乔治市为第二。这就说明了维基百科在与真实世界背道而驰啊，如果编者们还继续使用2010年的旧数据来当作内容的话，这就很危险了，也会导致人们不再相信我们！再说今年新山人口为近80万人（至少78万）[1]。 然而根据槟岛官网，槟岛才约72万人[2]。而且，根据美国CIA的文件资料[2]显示的新山人口，都比乔治市多。若是两个城市发展差距大的话，我可以接受发展比较好的城市会继续保持排名，不会被超越。但是今天情况不同啊，如果你去做比较的话，你会发现新山发展更为出色。如果是头3年我就算了，可是距今已经8年这么久了，你可以肯定乔治市不会被新山超越吗？证据何在？我先写到这里，之后我还会继续写更多有关乔治市不是第二大城市了的论证点。如果你是一位尽责的维基人的话，你一定要重视这个问题，并阻止一切有关’’’第二大城市’’’的敏感字眼出现，除非等到2020年人口普查数据出炉才来决定！！！

and this on my talkpage

I know your so-called discussion is a mess, but I still want to remind you that Penang is no better than Johor Bahru. As you said, the NCER is as vigorous as that of the Iskandar Malaysia. However, the total investment in

NCER is only about 140 billion as of 2017, with a total value of 242.4 billion in the Iskandar Malaysia, Northern Malaysia is really thriving. . . . . . The number of states in Northern Malaysia is several times larger than that in the rest of the country, so the amount of investment in Penang can be unbelievably bad! And I never said that JB to compare with Penang, because Penang cannot compare with Johor Bahru and Kuala Lumpur where world class' s are? You (Penang) will lose if compare to Johor Bahru next time. You will only be able to compete with Ipoh and Seremban.

And if I were expelled, then I opened a new one! . .(Wiki-leader create and new account that similar as my username, and the account was block due to my report) 我知道你所谓的讨论是乱编出来的，但是我还是要提醒你，槟城是比不上新山的。照你所说，北马经济走廊和依特区一样蓬勃，可是为什么那烂走廊截至2017年总投资额才1400多亿，依特区已经2424亿了，北马真的是蓬勃到。。。。。。北马包括数个州属，面积比依特区大几倍，所以槟的投资额可想而知有多么烂! 还有，我从来没有说过要和槟城比，槟城怎么能比得上比较world class的新山和吉隆坡呢?所有下次不要再拿槟城和新山比，你们是包输的!你们只能和怡保和芙蓉比。

还有我若被开除，那就再开新的啊!无聊。。。

So rude and absolutely WE must revert the edit.Maybe JB is more population now, but the most important thing is as of now, George Town (Penang) is second largest in Malaysia,isn't it? angys (Talk Talk) 07:16, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@*angys*: I see. So this is not the first time this Johorean has done such nonsense.

The fact is, George Town is still the second largest city in Malaysia in terms of population, not Johor Bahru. That is the fact, according to the Malaysian government's own Department of Statistics, which conducts a national census every 10 years. If the last national census was done in 2010, then the next national census is 2020. Since George Town has more than 700,000 people and JB only less than 500,000, does it even make sense that JB can catch up with George Town's population by 200,000 or 300,000 in 10 years, given that the populations of all cities are constantly growing? Where is his logic in this?

Also, is he doubting the accuracy of Malaysia's Department of Statistics? Is he saying that Malaysian statisticians (in the government) cannot count? Since Malaysians cannot count, he has to rely on American (CIA) data to bolster his claim that JB is the second largest city? Is JB now part of the USA (alongside New York, Los Angeles and Chicago)? If that is the case, then ALL the cities in the whole wide world 'should' also use CIA data, isn't it? What a load of bullshit, if you ask me.

If this Johorean repeats such an issue, I think he should be reported to the admins. I have given him three warnings on his talk page. This is as far as my patience can go. Vnonymous (talk) 08:33, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I argee with your opinion. The user said JB is second largest maybe because he add Kulai, Iskandar Puteri, Pasir Gudang and other Iskandar Malaysia Region. For us Penangites only count MBPP.

You may report to block him, he is too arrogant and not listening anyone opinion, just only want to get the "second largest". I think the upcoming 2020 census Penang Island will still 2nd largest city after KL. For now, the user maybe thought that MBIP is a part of JB, but I think Iskandar Puteri only a satelite city for JB just like Petaling Jaya and KL. So the fact is, George Town (Penang Island) is still the second largest city in Malaysia in terms of population and economic, for now. angys (Talk Talk) 11:05, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@*angys*: Well, if he says so, it only shows that he doesn't even know what is a city and what is a metropolitan area. These two things are different. We are talking about cities, not metropolitan areas. Unfortunately, some Johoreans love to twist the facts to their advantage. But Wikipedia being Wikipedia, facts must always come first, not their contrived bullshit on how great Johor is.

Thanks, by the way. Just glad to know of your support on this. Vnonymous (talk) 11:21, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, I have a idea about Penang street infobox. Maybe the infobox can create like this pattern but use MBPP one. Would you like this suggestion? angys (Talk Talk) 10:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

OK,so I will create for those infobox...By the way, did you know about the RGB of street board and the font? angys (Talk Talk) 12:03, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, I will try. MPSP one I think maybe I will create another one. And one thing, Alma maybe only a neighbourhood 10 years ago, but now already growth becone a suburb. AEON, Tesco can be found here and many Taman were established here. Plz orz... angys (Talk Talk) 12:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Never mind. By the way, I suggest that street itln George Town maybe can create a template for navigation just like Template:Penang. Another thing is can you seperate the touris attraction in the Penang Template to a new template? It is more better since other states does not do this in the template. Regards.. angys (Talk Talk) 12:35, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

And can you do a left right pattern picture for George Town? The RGB for road sign are 034D4F. angys (Talk Talk) 13:00, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, maybe not at that place. The toadsign is still in developement stage and my opinion is : For some street whose have many difference roadsign, put at gallery... angys (Talk Talk) 14:57, 9 December 2017 (UTC)  Done angys (Talk Talk) 16:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Wait for a while... Let me tidy it.{{Selangor}} Done angys (Talk Talk) 11:08, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Did you see this {{Tourist attractions in Penang}}, {{Roads in George Town, Penang}}? angys (Talk Talk) 11:44, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@*angys*: Yes, I just saw these.Vnonymous (talk) 11:56, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Normarly the road sign is P.PINANG and not GEORGE TOWN. See this this this and this, all they display as P.PINANG not GEORGE TOWN. angys (Talk Talk) 03:16, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

What is this? The MDKerian operation zone looks strange and Kedah LA actually is the district boundary... angys (Talk Talk) 11:20, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I couldn't find anything from the link. I only see a Download List and blank page... angys (Talk Talk) 11:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

That website didn't have any links. Can you can upload the PDF file by using others portal e.g. Google Drive... I think maybe because my account is too new that no permission to me. angys (Talk Talk) 12:24, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

TQ, I found the file and see it. Since you can do a map for Greater Penang, may I recommend you to create a map for NCER that covers Perlis, Kedah, Penang, Kerian and Hulu Perak? That will be useful for Wikipedia. Regards. angys (Talk Talk) 18:35, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I do think so. But Iskandar Malaysia's PBT boundaries already changed since 2012 and so on the boundaries for 2010 are not accurate anymore. Thanks for your contributions. angys (Talk Talk) 06:02, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Seems Wikileader do POV again link angys (Talk Talk) 07:11, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

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District Maps

Hello, may I ask you a favor to do a district-level map of Malaysia by refer this to use in the article Districts of Malaysia and location map, Thank you.

And one thing, where you got the IDR map source? angys (Talk Talk) 08:06, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply.

1. I think IDR location map's town mostly is urban area and you remove it lol. So I restore and adjust it.
2. I can not help you to delete because I am not admin..
3. The district-level map is necessary as most of the country have their second level map e.g. China, Koreaand more more... I would like to use the map to do a renovation for districts of Malaysia so I need you to help it plz...
4. NCER map is fine, but I think for now just include Taiping, Kangsar, Hulu Perak and Parit Buntar. The dower 8 district is not necessary for NCER..
5. IDR map really help me a lot as I can use it on various pages... And also I hope you have the ability to do for KV as well each state just like Penang's location map.

Anyway thanks. The Wiki-Leader now say us “JEALOUS” JB haha angys (Talk Talk) 11:18, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I put each of them with reasons and hope you can accept it.

1. Bukit Indah=AEON, Park, 2nd link
2. BSA=Foon Yew 3, UITM, UniKL and more
3. Indahpura=Foon Yew 2, JPO
4. Gelang Patah=SILK
5. Ulu Tiram=mukim, as Tebrau can
6. Saleng, Ulu Choh, Kota Tinggi, Pontian Kechil, Kangkar Pulai=town

Yes KV already exist but that is just picture and I would like to use location map like Penang..

Ok, I know time is money, so maybe you can do it in the future. Unfortunately I haven't technology to do a such map. And one thing, how did you know the coordinates of the map?

Wiki-Leader? It will register with new account and surely this is a long time war between fact and false. angys (Talk Talk) 12:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Anyway I had do the map which is File:West Malaysia location map district.png and File:East Malaysia location map district.png. The cons are the border are thicker.

And did you know that {{PRoad}} can adjust the size of the text, maybe you can use it in Macalister Road.

OK, so you agree that I add Gelang Patah and Ulu Tiram in the map? And Permas Jaya actually is a residental hub so why it qualify to add and other can't? And I add Kota Tinggi and Pontian Kechil just like you add the Sik and Kamuting at the Greater Penang map as they are the district capitals of KT and Pontian.

Thank You and for the Iskandar Malaysia one maybe can do a dynamic version of expanding boundary like Penang one.. angys (Talk Talk) 03:23, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Shopping mall

Is it need to create a new article for the shopping mall in Penang? In my opinion, the list shouldn't be created as Penang is not a country. If you want to do this, maybe create a list for Klang Valley, IDR, Greater Ipoh, Greater Kuching, Greater Perlis (what) can be consider. angys (Talk Talk) 14:39, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

And this is the map of Iskandar Malaysia from their website. You can see some of the township that I add recently in the maps. I thnik put 10-15 node in the map wouldn't clutter the map. angys (Talk Talk) 15:44, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

The bus stop really exist but I cannot find it in Google Maps maybe that bus stop was build after 2014. The bus stop mainly for Hop-On Hop-Off and the Rapid also passed by the road. So far the official website not showing that bus stop, I think you can keep your edit because I CANNOT VERIFY ALTHOUGH I HAS BEEN THERE. Maybe next time you can ride the 102 Bus to there, maybe? angys (Talk Talk) 15:42, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Re: City council emblems

Sure, no problems. Molecule Extraction (talk) 23:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done Sorry for being late as I was busy helping my friends for the Christmas decorations. Molecule Extraction (talk) 05:26, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

@Molecule Extraction: Thank you so much on this. Vnonymous (talk) 09:54, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of List of shopping malls in Penang for deletion

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Map

I think your map need a little bit albased on this as Wikiproject Maps in commons. (Like Kedah area use orange because Kedah is a part of Malaysia). angys (Talk Talk) 16:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Local government in Malaysia

Hi, why you undo my contributions on Local government in Malaysia?. It is just example to differentiate between City Hall and City Council. Kuala Lumpur apply for city hall, while Johor Bahru for city council. It just example to make others to be more understanding between differences. --Ajeem95 (talk) 13:00, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Please provide me a credible source on the difference between a City Hall & a City Council. So far, there is nothing to suggest that a City Hall is any different compared to a City Council (based on this Malaysian government website). Do note that in the article, each type of government is accompanied by only one example, so your edits may potentially go against WP:Consistency and WP:Neutral point of view. Indeed, your assertion that you chose Johor Bahru because it more famous and closest with Singapore is purely subjective to begin with; one can argue that this assertion of yours smacks of non sequitur. Vnonymous (talk) 14:33, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

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YOUR AMENDMENTS TO THE PENANG FERRY SERVICE Rapid Ferry

Hi.. thank you for reaching out. As an introduction, I am Yazurin, Head of the ProTem Task Force for Rapid Ferry Sdn Bhd (email - yazurin@prasarana.com.my). Rapid Ferry Sdn Bhd is Prasarana Malaysia's subsidiary that will run the Penang Ferry. For your information, we are currently in the process of taking over the Penang Ferry, and certain governmental process is still ongoing. We expect to be on board within the next couple of months. Yes - despite numerous new releases, we are still not the operator.

I am raising the concern on using RAPID FERRY as the title because it is not very accurate. RAPID Ferry is the brand, same as Rapid KL (Brand KL (Brand), Rapid Penang.. Prasarana's plan is to use the Rapid Ferry brand if we were to operate any other ferry (if government permits) at other locations. The service will remain the Penang Ferry Service with Rapid Ferry brand (in the need future)..

I hope this clarifies my concern. I do not have anything to site at the moment, given that nothing is there to site - our agreement / license to operate the Penang Ferry is also not available as it is not signed yet. If you want, i can send you an email from my official email, with an official letter head to verify that i'm indeed working with Rapid Ferry. :-)

Thank you & hope you can assist to clarify this matter. It is important to us that the historical accuracy is not distorted in anyways by introducing our brand. To us, the Penang Ferry Services is a heritage item which needs to be preserved.

Best regards, -yazurin- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yazurin (talk • contribs) 04:12, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@Yazurin: Thank you for verifying with me regarding your position, and I apologize for any misunderstandings to date. In Wikipedia, there are policies and guidelines to comply with.

First and foremost, not only do we have to ensure that the information is accurate, we also require sources (or citations) which are verifiable, hence the WP:VERIFY policy. According to notable English-language sources such as The Star, Penang Port Sdn Bhd handed over ferry operations to Prasarana in July 2017 for a token sum of RM1. Moreover, this more recent report, dated in February 2018, also mentioned Rapid Ferry as an existing ferry service.

Based on these sources and the WP:NAMECHANGES policy (which stated that if the sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match, and that if the subject of an article has a name change, it is reasonable to consider the usage following the change in reliable, English language sources), the article's older title, Penang ferry service, was switched to Rapid Ferry. Thus far, there is nothing to indicate that Prasarana will extend this ferry service to other locations.

I noted that you do not have anything to site, as the agreement is not signed yet. I also noted your statement that Prasarana's plan is to use the Rapid Ferry brand if we were to operate any other ferry (if government permits) at other locations. However, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball; in short, it is not designed to serve as a collection of unverifiable speculation and that individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place.

I would suggest that, pending the publication of verifiable sources, this version of the Rapid Ferry article should be retained. The article can be further modified (or improved) with more verifiable sources. If what you are stating is true, then edits should be only be made after the agreements have been ratified and made public (on reliable sources). Similarly, any future plans should only be included upon any official announcement or implementation of the plans. After all, Wikipedia can wait.

Best regards, Vnonymous (talk) 10:41, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for taking time to respond. This has certainly been good information for me & my team. We agree to gather more information and have the necessary supporting documents to be sited prior to making any further changes.

Just to share with you other articles from the reputable The Star which contradicts the article you sited. See here , Prasarana CEO, in October 2017 announces the process of taking over is not completed (e.g. "... expect the process to be completed.. " in para 3 of the article).

You may also want to see the current photo taken today of the ferries painted by Prasarana, Pulau Undan and Pulau Pinang. You can see at Pulau Undan, the Rapid Ferry sign is being covered with canvas (see the red 'ra" of rapidferrry). You can also see Pulau Pinang still having the Penang Port logo on it, and the white canvas covering the rapid ferry logo at the top left and right corner of the ferry.

In closing, we agree to do nothing further on this article for now. We were just confused - if Wikipedia can wait, why the change to Penang Ferry Service was rushed? ;-)

Thanks again & we hope to come back with more information.

Pulau Undan Ferry and Pulau Pinang Ferry at Berth 1 and Berth 2 of the Pengkalan Sultan Abdul Halim on 1 March 2018

Pulau Pinang Ferry at Berth 2 of the Pengkalan Sultan Abdul Halim on 1 March 2018

@Yazurin: Thanks for these new pictures. I could make use of these, with your permission. If you need further assistance on editing in Wikipedia, I could be of some help :).

As for the name change, the article was renamed in accordance with the WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL policies, as stated above. It can be ascertained with certainty that the ferry service is being renamed to Rapid Ferry. On another note, I also had a look at the article you posted, stating that the takeover process was still underway as of October 2017. If that is the case, then a relatively minor edit of the existing sentence about the ferry takeover should be necessary. Vnonymous (talk) 09:47, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

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List of schools in Penang

Please do not change my amendments to Penang Free School, SMK Hutchings, SK Francis Light, SK Hutchings and SK Wellesley. These are NOT Missionary schools and they were never Missionary schools from the very beginning. Thank you.

Is it true? Penang Free School and the other listed school should I category for Daily Secondary School or Missionary schools. angys (Talk Talk) 15:14, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

@*angys*: Sorry, but what is this? I don't comprehend this at all. Since when did I make any amendments to this article? Vnonymous (talk) 22:18, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I mean a user said that those above school are not missionary school. I would like to ask you if those schools are not missionary schools, should I put them into daily schools? angys (Talk Talk) 07:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

@*angys*: Thank you for describing to me what is going on. The way you wrote earlier left me very baffled, as your sentences were very vague and no explanation was given.

Penang Free School is a missionary school. It was established by Reverend Robert Sparke Hutchings (note that the term Reverend implies that the founder was, at that point of time, a serving Christian clergy and missionary).

A number of books have also stated or implied that PFS is a missionary school, due to the fact that it was founded by a Christian missionary.

• Within three years there were five missionary schools with 122 boys and 45 girls. From 1823 the Penang Free School (the earliest European school in the Settlements) also maintained a Malay School...

Milner, A. (2002). The Invention of Politics in Colonial Malaya: Contesting Nationalism and the Expansion of the Public Sphere). Cambridge: Cambridge University.

• Penang Free School is the oldest Christian mission school...

Wolhuter, C. and de Wet, C. (2014). International Comparative Perspectives on Religion and Education. African Sun Media.

Also note that these only apply to Penang Free School and the Hutchings School (which shares similar origins to the Penang Free School). Thus both Penang Free School and Hutchings School should be categorised under missionary schools. As for the other schools, I am not too sure. I hope this explanation helps. Vnonymous (talk) 10:21, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok, better I revert back the list. angys (Talk Talk) 12:46, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Perai

Hello, IMHO I don't think Seberang Jaya should be included in Perai page, although their postcode is the same (136/137). Seberang Jaya should be under Permatang Pauh town, so information about Seberang Jaya, such as Sunway Carnival and its schools should not be mentioned in the Perai page, Thank you. angys (Talk Talk) 17:37, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

@*angys*: As you have mentioned, Seberang Jaya and Perai share the same postcode, so in terms of postal address, Seberang Jaya is within the locality of Perai. In fact, if you look at these government websites (1, 2 and 3), Seberang Jaya and Perai are grouped under the same mukim and development areas. Historically speaking, Seberang Jaya was built as a residential township to complement the Perai Industrial Estate, hence the development of Seberang Jaya is closely linked to Perai. Vnonymous (talk) 22:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

However, I think it is better to separate two of them. For KADUN, the two place were separated (one for Batu Kawan and one for Permatang Pauh), and now they are equally developed on both sides. These are the suburbs of the Butterworth, not the relationship between Bayan Lepas town and Bayan Baru suburb. Next time you may consider to do for Seberang Jaya. Thank You for your reply.. angys (Talk Talk) 01:55, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

This time for Bukit Mertajam IMHO, the range of Bukit Mertajam is between 14000, 14020, 14400 and Simpang Ampat postcode, most areas of SPT belong to Bukit Mertajam. But your edit had exclude some of the suburb and zone e.g. Alma, Juru, etc. . As a local citizens, these two areas (and others) should be written in Bukit Mertajam. Just like Jelutong is also part of George Town, please correct it. Thank you. angys (Talk Talk) 13:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

@*angys*: Please show me any proof that Alma, Juru, etc are suburbs of Bukit Mertajam. Wikipedia is not just what you think, unfortunately. Per WP:VERIFY, you need to back your claims with reliable evidence that these areas you mentioned belong to Bukit Mertajam. Based on this particular government document, Alma, Juru, etc are not part of Bukit Mertajam. Vnonymous (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't have any research to give you, but this is not what I think, it is a concept. There is also insufficient evidence from your data to prove that Alma and other areas are not belong to Bukit Mertajam. Unfortunately, no one has done any research about it yet.. Per WP:VERIFY, you need to back your claims with reliable evidence (such as MPSP report). Even SPR's Bukit Mertajam has a population of at least 70,000 people, including Alma. The only thing you write here is the town center. Isn't it just to deviate from facts? According to your statement, Perai should not include Seberang Jaya and Jalan Baru, and that government document is only a outdated draft, and divided into several smaller areas for comparison. It is impossible to write only Perai, Bukit Mertajam and Permatang Pauh in the draft. Please think about it, if you really want to only write a BM town center, is it better to open a new article? orz angys (Talk Talk) 14:26, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

@*angys*: A concept? With no evidence at all to back your concept? Insufficient evidence from your data to prove that Alma and other areas are not belong to Bukit Mertajam? Then does that document state otherwise (that Alma and other areas belong to Bukit Mertajam)? Why was Bukit Mertajam, Alma, Bukit Tengah, Bukit Minyak and other areas split into different development zones?

For the record, I have yet to find any evidence that Alma and other areas belong to Bukit Mertajam. And talking about SPR zones, do these electoral constituencies actually reflect the actual town/city limits? Last time I checked, if Petaling Jaya can be split into at least two different parliamentary constituencies, what more places like BM? Simply put, electoral constituencies are unreliable when it comes to determining urban boundaries (not to mention it changes every now and then).

Again, please get hard evidence to back your claims that Alma, Juru and other areas are part of BM. Thank you. Vnonymous (talk) 14:39, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Probably I also have no hard evidence, but you also don't have. May I ask you a question, did you have any strong evidence or any state government statement that show Alma, Juru and other areas aren't part of BM? If you rely to that outdated draft, may I ask you to seperate Seberang Jaya and Jalan Baru from Perai article.

do these electoral constituencies actually reflect the actual town/city limits?

Yes they dont, actually Juru and Kubang Semang is also a part of BM, but they does not include them. Newspaper, postcode, AEON Mall Bukit Mertajam, property all categorize Alma is a part of BM. This is fundamentally original research. Please follow the present situation. As long as BM citizen, it is known that Juru, Alma, etc. belong to the BM, and cannot be refuted nor need proof.

If you really insist on it, I don’t have any state government statement to prove that those are true and I’ll let you pass, but please think about it. Is BM really a small town of 10,000 people? Even after 60 years. This will only deviate Wikipedia from reality. Another thing, Thank you for your help. angys (Talk Talk) 15:11, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I had downlaod and see through that journal. I couldnt find any Jalan Song Ban Kheng word in the journal. If you look at Google Maps, the Jalan Permatatng Rawa which is situated beside BM station are much longer that the Jaln Pasar. Please dont revert my edit before inform me, this is fully not respect the other Wikipedians and I am not doing disruptive editing OK. angys (Talk Talk) 15:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

@*angys*: I also don't have hard evidence? So the Local Plan from the Seberang Perai Municipal Council does not count as an evidence? Then why were Bukit Mertajam, Bukit Tengah, Bukit Minyak, Alma and other areas divided into different zones? Does that document then support your assertion that Alma, Juru and other areas are part of BM? Does that document suggest that Perai, Jalan Baru and Seberang Jaya fall under different development zones?

Oh, and about the original research of yours, please refer to WP:ORIGINAL.

Okay, maybe I did not notice the Jalan Song Ban Kheng part. But I certainly did not see Jalan Permatatng Rawa either. Vnonymous (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

As I said, that local plan is outdated. The BP arent real adminstrative zone for SPT, instead of mukim. If you just rely at that draft which is not said “Alma, Bukit Minyak, Bukit Tengah ARE NOT BELONG TO BUKIT MERTAJAM” just go ahead. Next time you should said to other people Bukit Mertajam is only for the Pekan, and schools, shopping malls they all should not use Bukit Mertajam and the postcode and SPR is invalid. I dont want to talk anymore, if you really want to promote Bukit Mertajam a 10000 people town, this is probably hilarious. And one thing, that source dont mention about any main road in Bukit Mertajam and it should not use IN THE ARTICLE. If you really rely on that draft, just KEEP it, and is this MPSP want? BETTER YOU WRITE A LETTER TO MPSP or Mr. Rozali ASK THEM THIS QUESTION AND SEE THIER REPLY, bye. angys (Talk Talk) 15:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

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Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Colour template confusion

Yes, the contest was using the PKR logo, because the Registrar of Societies didn't approve the Pakatan Harapan. So in the last minute they used the PKR logo. This is not about the election contest but who is sitting in the parliament and the state assemblies. But they are all belonging from different parties - PKR, AMANAH, PPBM and DAP. They are part of a loose coalition which is Pakatan Harapan. I hope that clears this matter.

Also I would like to add that PAS is the only winner for Gagasan Sejahtera. No other party in GS won other than PAS. We should just stick with PAS party colours.Lazybugger13A (talk) 02:02, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

@Lazybugger13A: Regardless of the motives and circumstances behind the single logo used by Pakatan Harapan, the fact remains that all four parties contested using one symbol. Did Amanah campaign using its banner? Ditto to DAP and PPBM. So a single color scheme to reflect this move should be adopted. It should also be noted that those Barisan Nasional representatives are from different parties as well - UMNO, MCA, MIC, Gerakan and so on.

Yes, PAS is the only party in the Gagasan Sejahtera coalition to have won seats. So is UMNO in the Barisan Nasional (the two BN seats are won by UMNO).

And have you read MOS:DUPLINK? What does this proviso say: ... if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead? Vnonymous (talk) 03:07, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

@Vnonymous:, I don't disagree with the fact that all parties used the same logo. Every party has their own logo, but they didn't use it when they agreed to use the PKR logo during the elections.. But that doesn't mean they have agreed to used the PKR logo after the elections. (which negates using the PKR colour template). The colour scheme for Pakatan Harapan logo is orange, just to let you know. It's not blue like the Pakatan logo or colour template. So I suggest we return to the status quo and have all Pakatan Harapan parties use their own colour templates. Once we have the ROS approve the coalition Pakatan Harapan, we can move forward and decide the colour for all 4 parties to use. Now pointing to UMNO, MCA, GERAKAN and MIC, etc that they use the same colour, proves my point. They use the same logo (same colour template), and that coalition has been contesting the last 14th elections (with the exception the Alliance coalition before 1969) They already are approved by the Registrar of Societies. I hope this clears the situation. I in fact was using a same colour template for Pakatan Rakyat in 2008, but was came to a consensus with other editors to use different colour templates for Pakatan Rakyat parties. Hope this makes this more clearer.Lazybugger13A (talk) 04:12, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Dispute about Indic script

See this post on my talk page about WP:NOINDICSCRIPT and other discussions. You would need to check if any of these threads would apply to a temple in Malaysia. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:45, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Hey there. Thank you very much for pointing this out. However, I am not sure how it would apply to the article, Goddess of Mercy Temple. According to WP:NOINDICSCRIPT, this avoidance of Indic scripts only applies to articles that are predominantly India-related and is excluded from, among others, articles about Hinduism, Buddhism, Pakistan or any of India's neighbouring countries. Correct me if I am wrong, but the temple is situated in Malaysia, not anywhere near India at all. Also, the temple in question is a Chinese temple. I am not certain of how this ruling would apply, but I do agree that it is inappropriate for a Tamil script to be added to the article.

Question is, is there any valid source/reference that points to the temple being of some significance to the Tamil community in the region? Because so far, in all my years of living here and studying various sources on Malaysia's history, I have never come across a single source which stated that the Goddess of Mercy Temple is in any way related to the Tamils. Thus the addition of the Tamil script in the article of a Chinese temple baffles me to the core. Vnonymous (talk) 09:39, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Due to the presence of Tamil speakers in Malaysia, this issue is not crystal clear. For example, you originally posted about a church called Church of the Immaculate Conception, Penang. Our article mentions that some of its services are in Tamil. You have more of a case if you see Tamil script being applied when there is no connection at all. Also consider looking at the style pages for Singapore. User:Nil Einne said they were better than the ones for Malaysia. See his comment at the end of the ANI thread you opened. You might consider writing to Nil Einne directly for suggestions. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:00, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Please bear in mind that, if you continue to report people for vandalism instead of engaging in good-faith discussion, you may get into trouble. Already in the ANI thread one administrator was suggesting you be indef blocked. And in your RFPP request, the responder declined to protect and said you were abusing rollback. EdJohnston (talk) 18:11, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Noted, if that is what people think. I just do not agree at all if the edits come with no valid references at all or imply heavy leanings.

Indeed there are Tamil speakers in Malaysia, but does it mean that all Malaysia-related articles should come with the Tamil script? Does it mean that mosques should also have Chinese and Tamil scripts? This can be quite a sensitive issue here (what with racial and religious sentiments still present in some parts of Malaysia). Even with regards to those Singapore-related articles, there are articles which do not contain any Chinese or Tamil scripts, eventhough both communities are also present in that country. Look at Masjid Sultan and Masjid Yusof Ishak. Other Singapore-related articles like Saint Joseph's Church, Singapore and Hua Giam Si have not a single Tamil script as well. Note that all of the articles I have pointed out are about places of worship.

And really, is there any evidence that the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Penang have Tamil-medium services? The last time I checked, that section does not come with any references. I absolutely do not agree with the addition of a Tamil script, just because someone said that the church has Tamil services but there is not an evidence to support that statement.

I propose that editors should stick to the status quo, in that a place of worship which bears some significance to a particular ethnicity could have the ethnicity's language script, but not more than that. For example, a Chinese temple could have a Chinese script, and if it does not carry any significance at all to the Tamils, then no Tamil script should be added. Ditto to Hindu temples, churches and mosques. Otherwise, as Malaysia's inhabitants use a wide variety of languages, then every article about Malaysia's places of worship would have been cluttered with all the language scripts. Vnonymous (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

You need to get such questions answered in content discussions with other editors. Admins are not the ones to decide this. Your last vandalism report of Engku1973 was rejected as a content dispute. EdJohnston (talk) 23:22, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Constitution of the State of Penang

Hi, I'm Quek157. Vnonymous, thanks for creating Constitution of the State of Penang!

can you also add a little section into penang and make this the main article. After talk page discussion.

Quek157 (talk) 11:34, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

About Penang State Leg. Assembly

I used the abbreviation for a more accurate top bar composition of lawmakers only. That's all--1233^Talk 10:20, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	For your works mostly on Penang, George Town and those pushpin maps..I hereby award you this barnstar. Thanks for all the hardwork in this encyclopaedia especially those related to Malaysian topics. Molecule Extraction (talk) 07:44, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

@Molecule Extraction: Thank you so much, dude! :) Am working on the pushpin maps for other Malaysian cities as well (including KK, Kuching & Miri), but will take some time. Vnonymous (talk) 10:02, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

		The Good Article Barnstar
		..and this barnstars as a recognition for turning George Town and Penang into good articles. Molecule Extraction (talk) 05:18, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

No problem. You're welcome and thanks for making that for East Malaysia too. Molecule Extraction (talk) 05:18, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Re

This is not first time. I know my English is not so good but please know that PTL now already absorded into CAT Tanjong Tokong. Your source is outdated and my one is for CAT Tanjong Tokong ceremony although in Chinese. If you still still dont want believe and want to life in your own world, what I can do? (Again you can go there or kindly ask Rapid Penang) I dont want to waste my time with a cancelled route and I dont want you to do so (dont put vandal on my page). All in all, Thank you. (for George Town and Penang) angys (Talk Talk) 15:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Coworking

Hi. This is regarding the dispute over the stuff about Penang in the "Coworking" article. I'd like to talk about why the source you've given doesn't adequately justify the claim that Penang has "long been considered the Silicon Valley of the East."

Let's consider the distinction between the articles "the" and "a". What the source you've given for this says is "a", not "The". "The" means it is the only place in the East (obviously here meaning Asia) that is comparable to Silicon Valley, or the most important one. If you consider the market cap of publicly traded companies in, say, Shenzhen, versus Penang, or compare the amount of startup funding, or the amount of news articles written about either subject, or any metric you choose, it's clear that at the very least there are other places in Asia which have at least as much of a claim as being called the "Silicon Valley of the East" as Penang. If you had said "has long been considered a Silicon Valley of the East", I would take less issue with this, since it concedes that it's not the only place that could claim to be.

Let's talk about the article you sourced, from Channel News Asia (the other source doesn't mention this). The specific quote from the article is this:

""This strong base in manufacturing has, according to state investment promotion agency InvestPenang, led to Penang becoming known as the “Silicon Valley of the East” - and also stood the city’s thriving start-up community in good stead."

As it plainly states, this assertion is coming from an agency which is trying to promote investment in the state, which is probably the least objective source there is.

Let's now talk about the "long considered" part. This implies that there is an extensive history of Penang having a reputation for its tech sector. Yet this very same article plainly states that Penang has a "burgeoning start-up community", meaning it is a relatively recent phenomenon.

I think I've sufficiently explained why the article sourced is inadequate and not objective enough to make the statement you're defending. If you phrased it in such a way that acknowledged the other, more prominent tech hubs in Asia ("a silicon valley of the east" rather than "the) and left out the "long considered" part, then I think it would be acceptable (if still a little too promotional sounding for my taste).

I am just a guy who works in tech in Hong Kong (definitely not the silicon valley of the east) who knows the industry well in Asia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.6.25.185 (talk) 09:06, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

First of all, do you have any valid, credible source regarding your claim that at the very least there are other places in Asia which have at least as much of a claim as being called the "Silicon Valley of the East" as Penang? Editing in Wikipedia means sticking to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, such as WP:VERIFY. If you cannot come up with a valid source that confirms your assertion (in particular, the part about the market cap of publicly traded companies in, say, Shenzhen, or compare the amount of startup funding, or the amount of news articles written about either subject, or any other metric), then it is considered original research.

Secondly, the Channel NewsAsia clearly stated that Penang has a strong base in manufacturing, which led it to be dubbed the Silicon Valley in the first place. What is so ambiguous about this statement, I wonder, when the BBC and Nikkei Asian Review seem to support this particular statement? Penang does have a solid background in technology manufacturing & is where startups such as ViTrox, Exabytes, Piktochart, etc originated from. But you seem to ignore this specific detail. Unless, of course, you can come up with some not-so-obscure source proving that Penang is not a Silicon Valley? Vnonymous (talk) 09:20, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

@Vnonymous: There's no reason to be rude. Aren't you concerned that the article isn't objective? As I pointed out, it cites the state investment agency as its source for the claim. I'm concerned about what your personal motivations are for rejecting a very valid criticism of the source.

I will now provide some sources. Here is the Forbes Global 2000. There are some Malaysian companies in there. As you can see, none of them are in tech sectors. As you can also see, many companies in the sectors that can be considered "tech" are from China and Taiwan. Tencent, China's largest tech company, has a higher market cap by itself than every company on the MYX exchange combined. Their revenue in 2016 was more than Penang's entire GDP.

As you can see here, plenty of other places in Asia have been called "Silicon Valleys":

Let's talk about the sources you just gave. The BBC article says "Could Penang by Asia's next Silicon Valley"? Obviously that is not a definitive statement, just saying that it "could" be. The Nikkei article says it's "styling itself" as the next Silicon Valley, meaning that it is trying to make itself appear to be, whether or not it actually is. The article also clearly states that the assertion that it's the "Silicon Valley of the East" is not Nikkei's opinion but the opinion of an individual quoted in the article, whose motivations for saying that may or may not be self-serving.

I'm sure we both want the information presented on the page to be as objective as possible. Perhaps you have some suggestions that might be agreeable?

So what does the tech companies and the value of individual China-based firms got to do with the article on coworking? On the other hand, you claim that the Silicon Valley is the opinion of an individual quoted in the article, whose motivations for saying that may or may not be self-serving. How is it self-serving (especially when the person quoted was at the time well-known within Southeast Asia), I couldn't see, but what I do see is an unverified, subjective assertion on your part, which may go against WP:POVEDITOR.

Again, all these assertions of yours are not backed by any solid proof that Penang is not the Silicon Valley of the East, when in fact, publications & academic research papers have acknowledged Penang as the Silicon Valley of the East (for want of examples, see 1 from PricewaterhouseCoopers & 2 from the Munich Personal RePEc Archive). It does seem to me, as per WP:COMMONTERM, that the Penang's moniker, the Silicon Valley of the East, has long become well established.

You are citing from Wikipedia? I am pretty sure you are new (you probably just created this account of yours). To enlighten you, read this: WP:CITEWIKI. And is there any valid reference to back your claim that plenty of other places in Asia have been called "Silicon Valleys"? Once again, you have failed to provide one. After all, the world does not run on your unsubstantiated assertions alone. Vnonymous (talk) 11:37, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

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