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... can one be both?

I am curious. How can you claim to be "proud to be American", whilst at the same time state that you are "English" ... can one be both? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I have English (and Irish) ancestry. That's why it links to English People not England but American links to United States. Hot Stop 15:39, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
"Gotcha!" Thank you for replying. If you were wondering ... I noticed your pithy comment on the United Kingdom talk page today. Good editing! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

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Katy Perry

There is no source for the statement that Katy Perry attended the Music Academy of the West. Link is dead and the fact is that it is simply impossible. MAW is a summer school/festival for adults nearing professional careers, not 9-year-olds who want to take voice lessons. Apparently Perry took lessons from a teacher who rented a room on the Music Academy campus during their off-season. Saying she "enrolled" is completely erroneous. Please refrain from re-inserting this false statement. Thank you. Massenetique (talk) 21:45, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Pepper poll

You !voted: "Keep it capitalized", which should be clear enough to most, but I suggest you change your !vote to oppose, which seems to be your position. ~ GabeMc (talk|contribs) 20:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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Beatles Mediation

FYI, I have added your name to the list of involved users at the Beatles Mediation. I hope you will agree to the mediation. ~ GabeMc (talk|contribs) 22:52, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Confirmation

Please send a Wikipedia e-mail to User:Feezo, or User:Mr. Stradivarius to confirm that you are indeed part of the mediation. The link can be found here.--andreasegde (talk) 23:30, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Done Hot Stop 06:19, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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Your response

You're turning the last bend, and it's the last lap. The mediators have asked for your comments in the "Your response" section, at the bottom.--andreasegde (talk) 16:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging me. I will address it sometime over this weekend (I'd do it now but I may have to undertake more research). Hot Stop 16:20, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The mediators have come up with a new idea, which seems good. It's under "Episode IV: A New Poll", and "Your thoughts".--andreasegde (talk) 10:09, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Could you look at this proposal and make a comment? I know it doesn't allow for arguments for/against, but it is as "simple as possible". Ta, --andreasegde (talk) 17:05, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm acklowding that I read it, but I don't intend further comment at this time. Hot Stop 04:46, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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Re Nashville RM

Hot Stop, thanks for your perspective. Upfront, I believe all our policies and guidelines have too much wiggle room as you call it and as such we find ourselves in pointless and draining discussions where both sides want to wiggle a different way. The rationale for the Nashville, in deference to USPLACE was consistent with what I said in the Beverly Hills RM the same day (not moved in deference to USPLACE). At least I was consistent. Clearly there are conflicts of interpretation and practice with our WP:Title policy, MOS and naming conventions. Those conflicts won't go away with one RM decision. If you believe that USPLACE is not properly worded or being applied, then I would suggest you work to get things changed. I've been closing RMs long enough to know that an RM is not the place to get the policies and guidelines changed but its a great place to highlight the conflicts. --Mike Cline (talk) 12:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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2008 Election

Why did you remove my edit. It is relevant information, it represents a trend over the past five elections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayday617 (talk • contribs) 05:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

But why is 300 special? Hot Stop 06:08, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
It represents a trend. Rjensen, the history professor, also said it was relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayday617 (talk • contribs) 06:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
But 300 is an unimportant number, considering it takes only 270 to win. Do we include that no Democrat has gotten 400 since LBJ Hot Stop 06:17, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
No, but I'll take the history professor's opinion over yours any day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayday617 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the rude comment, but I still say my edit is relevant. Jayday617 (talk) 06:26, 2 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayday617 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
This would be better discussed at the article's talk page and not here since others reverted you too. Hot Stop 06:28, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. And also, the fact about LBJ's EV victory margin could indeed be included on the page for the 1964 election, and I think it is. Jayday617 (talk) 07:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
That would be an argument for including it in the 1988 election page, not 2008. Hot Stop 07:28, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
huh? Including what in the 1988 election? Jayday617 (talk) 07:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
That would be the last election a Republican had 300 votes. Hot Stop 07:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Right, but why can't it be included on the 2008 page instead? Jayday617 (talk) 07:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Why should it be though? We don't include that bit of trivia on every subsequent's election page. Hot Stop 07:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Like I said, it represents a trend from 1992 to 2008. What if it continues? Jayday617 (talk) 07:43, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Find some sources that call it an important/relevant/whatever trend, then try and get it added. Hot Stop 07:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
I included an article from the Washington Post and you still removed it. Jayday617 (talk) 08:00, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
True, but that article doesn't explain why 300 is important, considering you only need 270 to win. Hot Stop 08:06, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your insight. Jayday617 (talk) 08:17, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

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Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

In this issue:

  • Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
  • Research: The most recent DR data
  • Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
  • Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
  • DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
  • Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
  • Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

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Creativemind15 - disruptive editing in 2008 and 2012 U.S. Presidential Election articles

I just discovered that Creativemind15 sneaked in the VP candidates into the presidential candidates sections of the 2008 and 2012 election articles. In the 2008 article, he did it within the past 24 hours, adding Biden and Palin, and their pics. And he added the subtitles "Nominees" and "Withdrew" in both articles, even though those sections are just to list the presidential candidates. For example, see the Republican candidates sections in the 2012 article.[1] I just reverted what Creativemind did in the 2008 article and put in the edit comments that that section is for presidential candidates only; and that the VP nominees are only in the infobox. In the 2012 article, he started sneaking in the content at: 22:02, 14 August 2012‎ and apparently no one noticed. I can't revert it because the article is protected. He added Biden and Ryan, and their pics into the candidates section. I also notice he sneaks in changes of pics with comments like "I like this one better" or "This one is better", etc. Anyway, I fixed 2008, but I can't fix 2012 because it's protected. Here's the starting point in each article where he started added the VPs and their pics into the presidential candidates sections in the two articles: [2] (2008) and [3] (2012). Here's what the candidates photo gallery sections looked like in the 2012 article before Creativemind started changing them.[4] Thanks. --76.189.126.159 (talk) 20:33, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I posted this edit request because I'm not sure if you can fix it or if it requires and edit request. :) --76.189.126.159 (talk) 22:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Update: Jack Bornholm fixed it and then Creativemind posted this explanation. So it looks like the matter is resolved. :) But I still can't believe that no editors noticed that such a major, inappropriate change went overlooked for three weeks. Haha. --76.189.126.159 (talk) 23:07, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Fun

Having fun Yet?? :D--intelati/talk 04:09, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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Beatles FAC version

Did you know that the editor who got the Beatles through FAC (PL290) wanted lower-case but was bullied into it by others? Look into the archives if you don't believe me. He also quit Wikipedia shortly afterward due to the "Big T" click, facts. ~ GabeMc (talk|contribs) 02:30, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. I read through the FAC and didn't even see it mentioned there. Hot Stop (Edits) 02:31, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Look into the archives, you will see that PL290 was pro-lower-case. Like here for example, just before the FAC, when he !voted for small-case stating: "Support - this accords with the practice of most sources I've seen" ~ GabeMc (talk|contribs) 02:45, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
So? That poll, along with every other one I've seen, got nowhere. My point with bringing up the FAC in my vote was that if it wasn't a big deal then, why is it now. Hot Stop (Edits) 03:00, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Look here if you want some history. The thread actually includes a "legal reason" for going with "T". ~ GabeMc (talk|contribs) 06:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Citing the MOS isn't a legal threat. Hot Stop (Edits) 03:18, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Hot Stop, you are being given very false information about PL290. He was caught after he unilaterally changed the consensus of "The" to "the" on the main page. He was warned that it was not the right thing to do at all, and he went away soon after.andreasegde (talk) 08:29, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

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Background

Until late 2003, Jimmy Wales was the arbiter in all major disputes. After the Mediation Committee and the Arbitration Committee were founded, Wales delegated his roles of dispute resolution to these bodies. In addition to these committees, the community has developed a number of informal processes of dispute resolution. At its peak, over 17 dispute resolution venues existed. Disputes were submitted in each venue in a different way.

Due to the complexity of Wikipedia dispute resolution, members of the community were surveyed in April 2012 about their experiences with dispute resolution. In general, the community believes that dispute resolution is too hard to use and is divided among too many venues. Many respondents also reported their experience with dispute resolution had suffered due to a shortage of volunteers and backlogging, which may be due to the disparate nature of the process.

An evaluation of dispute resolution forums was made in May this year, in which data on response and resolution time, as well as success rates, was collated. This data is here.

Progress so far
Stage one of the dispute resolution noticeboard request form. Here, participants fill out a request through a form, instead of through wikitext, making it easier for them to use, but also imposing word restrictions so volunteers can review the dispute in a timely manner.

Leading off from the survey in April and the evaluation in May, several changes to dispute resolution noticeboard (DRN) were proposed. Rather than using a wikitext template to bring disputes to DRN, editors used a new javascript form. This form was simpler to use, but also standardised the format of submissions and applied a word limit so that DRN volunteers could more easily review disputes. A template to summarise, and a robot to maintain the noticeboard, were also created.

As a result of these changes, volunteers responded to disputes in a third of the time, and resolved them 60% faster when compared to May. Successful resolution of disputes increased by 17%. Submissions were 25% shorter by word count.(see Dispute Resolution Noticeboard Statistics - August compared to May)

Outside of DRN other simplification has taken place. The Mediation Cabal was closed in August, and Wikiquette assistance was closed in September. Nevertheless, around fifteen different forums still exist for the resolution of Wikipedia disputes.

Proposed changes

Given the success of the past efforts at DR reform, the current RFC proposes we implement:

1) A submission gadget for every DR venue tailored to the unique needs of that forum.

2) A universal dispute resolution wizard, accessible from Wikipedia:Dispute resolution.

  • This wizard would ask a series of structured questions about the nature of the dispute.
  • It would then determine to which dispute resolution venue a dispute should be sent.
  • If the user agrees with the wizard's selection, s/he would then be asked a series of questions about the details of the dispute (for example, the usernames of the involved editors).
  • The wizard would then submit a request for dispute resolution to the selected venue, in that venue's required format (using the logic of each venue's specialized form, as in proposal #1). The wizard would not suggest a venue which the user has already identified in answer to a question like "What other steps of dispute resolution have you tried?".
  • Similar to the way the DRN request form operates, this would be enabled for all users. A user could still file a request for dispute resolution manually if they so desired.
  • Coding such a wizard would be complex, but the DRN gadget would be used as an outline.
  • Once the universal request form is ready (coded by those who helped create the DRN request form) the community will be asked to try out and give feedback on the wizard. The wizard's logic in deciding the scope and requirements of each venue would be open to change by the community at any time.

3) Additionally, we're seeking any ideas on how we can attract and retain more dispute resolution volunteers.

Please share your thoughts at the RfC.

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Thanks

I owe you half a cookie... BencherliteTalk 21:48, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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Not really?

What did you mean by "not really" in relation to "Talia is Primary, Bane is secondary. The hallucination/manifestation of Ra's Al Ghul mentions to Bruce that his child is heir to the League of Shadows. That is Talia."? Jdogno5

Correct, but Bane is still the primary villain. Hot Stop (Edits) 20:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Here's an example, Darth Vader is the primary villain in Star Wars (the first three, not the crappy prequels) despite the fact that he's just second in command. Hot Stop (Edits) 00:25, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for that, the ec's are a nightmare.--v/r - TP 00:20, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Anytime. Hot Stop (Edits) 00:22, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXXVIII, September 2012

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Beatles RfC Watchlist notice

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Not really?

What did you mean by "not really" in relation to "Talia is Primary, Bane is secondary. The hallucination/manifestation of Ra's Al Ghul mentions to Bruce that his child is heir to the League of Shadows. That is Talia."?

Jdogno5

Correct, but Bane is still the primary villain. Hot Stop (Edits) 20:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Here's an example, Darth Vader is the primary villain in Star Wars (the first three, not the crappy prequels) despite the fact that he's just second in command. Hot Stop (Edits) 00:25, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually Darth Sidious/Palpatine is generally the primary villain in the Star Wars films and other media detailing the time period/s (saying he was ressurected 6 years after the events of Return of the Jedi but was destroyed for good a further year later) when he was alive. He is partly responsible for the events of the Naboo Crisis/+Naboo War with Darth Plagueis (It has been revealed that Sidious only killed him the night before he became Supreme Chancellor) being the one ultimately directing it. However he was ultimately responsible for the Seperatist Crisis and the resulting Clone Wars. He is the central source of fear, suffering and death during the Galactic Empire Period i.e Sidious's Sith Empire, as well as that during the Dark Empire Period (his attempt to rebuild the Empire).

Jdogno5

And you completely ignored the whole thing about ignoring the prequels. Anyway, I'm not the only one who reverted your edits, so I think this is best discussed elsewhere. Hot Stop (Edits) 15:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

No I don't ignore the prequals, I think that they are a valid part to the Star Wars lore in their own right. So who else reverted them then? Where should this be discussed then?

Jdogno5

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Apologies!

Hot Stop - very sorry about that accidental revert at The Beatles mediation page. As I said there, it must have been a random click at Undo which I did not intend. I didn't realize it had happened until I came back on just now - really very sorry. (Actually thought your comment was funny.) Tvoz/talk 18:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I kinda figured it was accidental. I've done it too. Hot Stop (Edits) 07:19, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

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I noticed (while looking for something else) that you were putting together a page of links to recent arbitration cases. I think Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Cases may be an easier way for you to access links to the cases and save you some time. Hope this helps. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:52, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I saw that, I just hate clicking through all the pages to get to it. Plus I intended to add more stuff to that page at some point. Hot Stop (Edits) 01:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay, just wanted to make sure you weren't spending time unnecessarily. You're right that that page could be a little more user-friendly—it was created when there were a lot fewer cases (and hence subsections to click on) than there are now. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:57, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Raising a flag over the Reichstag

You and an ip made queries as to the "name" of the aforesaid article. It was discussed earlier this year as to why it is named such, as it is, in the title. See: Talk:Raising a flag over the Reichstag [5]. I told the ip the same info. on his talk page (with a welcome). Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 02:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Hot Stop (Edits) 05:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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About the voter guide

I did not re-create my old userpage as a subpage. My friend admin User:Bishonen attempted to create that as a compromise. It was Mfd'd by the Sven Manguard lynch mob canvassed their way to push both mfd's through and baselessly launch an SPI investigation against me despite previous Mfd's with significantly wider community showed community consensus allowed me to keep my userpage Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Certified.Gangsta Wikipedia_talk:User_pages/UI_spoofing--YOLO Swag (talk) 20:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I clarified it. Hot Stop (Edits) 23:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Also about the whole Salma Hayek thing, Wikipedia used to have a category named "List of big bust models and performers". It was deleted under controversial circumstances after 6 failed nominations Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_big-bust_models_and_performers_(6th_nomination) on September 29th, 2008. At the time, many actresses, page 3 girls, porn stars, and models were listed under this category and many of them have the "well known for her large, natural breasts" lead. I added the lead to Salma Hayek's article for consistency. It was unfortunate that after the Afd (which I had no knowledge or participation of whatsoever) passed, a bunch of rogue admins including a fellow candidate that year, User:Gwen Gale and another who was in another separate dispute with me, used that as a ground to block me just before the election when I was not even aware of the Afd's existence. Even then-arbitrator User:FT2 was appalled [6]--YOLO Swag (talk) 01:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Hot Stop! Although I’ve been around for a while (on and off), this is the first year I’ve taken an interest in elections & whatnot, and Voter Guides are new to me. Could you please explain what you mean by “strategic reasons” for opposing certain candidates, or point me to a page that explains the concept? Of course I’m familiar with the expression in the context of IRL elections in which there’s a party system and where each citizen has only one vote, but I don’t see how that applies here. Thanks in advance.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 03:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. It's a little complicated but I'd suggest reading both approval voting (the method we use) and tactical voting (which is what the strategic reasons refers to). But essentially since there are only 8 seats to be filled, I'm only supporting 8 candidates and I'm opposing all the others to help my preferred candidates chances. When I say I'm opposing for strategic reasons, it means I found no real fault with the candidate in question but I prefer my candidates instead. Hot Stop (Talk) 05:21, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks: I guess I was trying to generalize the comments as recommendations, rather than seeing them as the result of the choices you yourself are making. Much clearer now, and I’ll follow those links to make sure I’m not labouring under any misapprehension of the mechanism.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 06:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

A chat

I saw your guide, and I'd like to figure out if there's a way for me to express the same concept in a way that doesn't cause you to have such an issue. I didn't say that all teenagers are Demi Lovato fans, or even mean to imply it. What I do believe is that as one gets older, the intensity of a person's attachments to external things fades. For most of us, the things that got us really excited and passionate when we were younger become things that are interesting later, and eventually become fond memories. It's hard for me to really even remember how it felt to be as excited and charged up about things as I used to get. What I can remember is that I did get so excited and charged up, and things that I can shrug off today as "meh ... that's his opinion" would have been fighting words that I couldn't let go of. It's because of that shift (which I think is an inevitable part of aging) that I'm inclined to be more lenient with younger editors when it comes to disputes. Show me a 13-year-old that thinks Lady GaGa is worth fighting over, and I'll understand it as a part of the normal maturation cycle, and be willing to believe that given time, that same editor will be able to be productive in many areas. Show me a 50-year-old that thinks Lady GaGa is fighting over, and I'm quite willing to believe that he hasn't got sufficient detachment from the topics he edits to ever be effective.—Kww(talk) 15:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll remove that comment, but I still intend to oppose. Hot Stop (Talk) 15:47, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for looking after the vandalism on my userpage. RandomAct(talk to me) 06:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

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Removal of National Lampoon edit 18th Dec 2011

Hi, I just spotted that you removed my edit from the National Lampoon Christmas Vacation page here National Lampoons Christmas Vacation and said it was not true. It is in fact true, I remember watching the film when it first came out and if you watch the part of the film I refer to you can quite clearly tell where the edit had taken place. I will re-edit the page to include my revision thank you very much.~~Dave~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.1 (talk) 11:48, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Nope. Clearly says "fuck" on my DVD. And IMDB isn't reliable Hot Stop (Talk) 14:26, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
I was under the assumption you deleted my edit as you didn't believe they edited the word fuck out, I spent ages trying to find links that showed it originally had it in the soundtrack, doh! Anyhow, I found a link to show that in the UK it was dubbed due to age restrictions imposed by the BBFC to get it on a PG rating for dvd release [7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.2 (talk • contribs)
I'd suggest taking the discussion to the article's talkpage since another user has removed the section. Hot Stop (Talk) 13:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

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American Revoloutionary War

Thank you for your compliments to my contribution on American Revoloutionary War(I did think it was a rather good piece of writing,even if I do say so myself). While I understand what may have led you to remove it,I would like an explanation. Would you mind? Rwenonah (talk) 23:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

It's already discussed on the American Revolution page, which deals with the political changes and not the war. Also already on the the DOI's page. Both are more appropriate. Hot Stop (Talk) 23:21, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou. Rwenonah (talk) 23:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Hot Stop (Talk) 13:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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Lets AGF and let bygones be bygones

While I realise that we disagree on a few issues, I still think you are a quite sensible person with whom I could positively interact. Its probably just me, but from my perspective you have kinda been following me around Wikipedia since April or earlier refuting and/or questioning my motivations on a regular basis. So while my actions may seem completely absurd to you, I am asking you here and now to please stop accusing me of dishonesty. If you knew me in RL, you would know that dishonest is absolutely the one thing I am not. If anything, I am honest to a fault, people tell me that here on Wiki, and in RL. Ideally, I would like to find a comfortable working relationship where, while we rarely even cross paths, I really do not want any kind of ongoing grudge with you. I harbour no ill will toward you and I do not take our interactions during the Beatles mediation personally, I hope you feel the same. Best! GabeMc (talk|contribs) 03:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, the only interactions I can remember having with you outside the mediation are the recent one regarding NYB (I've taken an interest in the elections since the RFC in October) and when we both commented on a couple TFA requests (and I voted to support two of the three you supported there).
On a related note, I'm a little confused about why you told Coren you would "drop the issue" and then 6 hours later began asking others to comment on it. I also don't understand why you notified those users since only one of them was a party to the mediation. (And FYI, I intend to comment there). Hot Stop (Talk) 04:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
After looking through some contribs I did oppose your RFA too (based on interactions regarding our favorite band). It also looks like we were involved in discussions on Mitt Romney's talk page, But I was involved there four days before you Hot Stop (Talk) 04:30, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, you're right. I did follow-up with jc37, probably shouldn't have in hindsight. I took Coren to mean don't ask Brad anymore questions, which is a bit strange in light of the fact that he is currently a candidate for re-election, but that's another story ... GabeMc (talk|contribs) 04:35, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
On a side note, I do think you've done a very good of copyeditng and getting articles up to FA status. Especially getting Imagine up in time for Saturday. Hot Stop (Talk) 04:39, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Hot Stop! GabeMc (talk|contribs) 04:51, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Meh, I don't think 'the Beatles' should be avoided at all costs but there could be some cases where it be re-written to avoid it without hurting the prose. That being said, the article is an FA so I understand that minimization might not be possible and could seem counter intuitive at times Hot Stop (Talk) 05:09, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought we could agree to at least some common ground on this issue in general. If the article passes FA, then its prose is excellent and the subject doesn't necessarily need to be avoided mid-sentence just because some people are jarred by it for various reasons. I personally don't find "The Beatles" jarring at all, I just think Wikipedia should generally follow external style guides and the vast majority of high-quality sources. My main concerns with the "avoid-dance" caveat are 1) the undue restraint it puts on prose and 2) that it leaves a can-of-worms on the table for further disputes, per article, per occurance. Believe it or not, above all else I just want this lame and tedious dispute to end, long-term, big "T" little "t", either way is fine with me as long as this vague caveat isn't grounds for further dispute and edit-warring. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 07:08, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Abbey Road. I think they all new it would be their last recorded album and they all came together (pun intended) and put together something (ditto) they'd all be remembered for. It also, at least for me, is the one album where each member (including Ringo) really contributed in terms of writing. Hot Stop (Talk) 13:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
An excellent choice for excellent reasons! I agree, their songwriting was most balanced on Abbey Road, which was one of the very first albums I ever purchased. I go back and forth between AR and Pepper. Depending on the mood I'm in, either one might be my all-time Beatles fav, though Revolver is certainly no slouch either IMO. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 00:13, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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Request reason:

Where to begin? SG's post at ANI lacks any context. Buck Winston (talk · contribs) invoked the dispute with this personal attack and when I removed it he came back with this one. So maybe I was a little perturbed when he continue to accuse me of disruption. Hot Stop (Talk) 23:57, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Fuck off dick face, your request is fucking declined. Eat shit.

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With all respect, I do understand what I was blocked for. But I don't understand why swearing is considered worse than the stuff he said to me. And for the record, I didn't say "eat shit" to anyone. Hot Stop (Talk) 00:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict)You know what? I am actually having second thoughts here. I can hardly be the author of this page and condemn you for doing the exact same thing. It was not immediately obvious from the conversation or the blocking admins reasoning that Buck was persistently posting to your talk page after you removed several of his comments without calling him a dick face. I am going to speak to the blocking admin about this. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I appreciate that. Hot Stop (Talk) 00:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
What a joke. An editor doesn't get blocked for edit warring and another editor who was trying to stop repeated notices on his talk page by swearing gets blocked? What kind of policy is that. This is completely pathetic imo. (Granted the personal attack is not appropriate). Intoronto1125TalkContributions 00:47, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah, well, Buck is being dealt with.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:24, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
While I strongly feel that HotStop's profane personal attacks were highly inappropriate, I also feel that the standard by which he is being held is wholly unfair. I've been sworn at by admins who call people worse names then "dick face" and absolutely no sanctions have ever resulted. There are far too many double standards on Wikipedia, and in light of the provocation he was subject to, and the fact that I've never seen this type of profanity from him before, I do not feel HotStop should have been blocked and I strongly recommend the block be lifted. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 00:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 01:23, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate both your comments. Hot Stop (Talk) 13:10, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, Buck has just gotten his own block for edit warring, and is quite possibly going to be indeffed blocked as a sockpuppet. I am afraid that by the time we can say we have a consensus one way or the other on this block it will probably be expired anyway, and it appears the blocking admin stopped editing for the day just after issuing this block. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Discussion about Newyorkbrad's closure of Beatles RfC

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