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I've seen you pop in nearly everywhere I lurk the last few weeks, and in every instance I have been shaking my head. With curiosity, I reviewed your talk history and found others doing the same things. I'm going to give you some friendly, but hard and truthful, advice. You are on course to getting yourself indefinitely blocked. In many areas do you need to first gain experience, and if you want to deal with article stuff, i.e. AFD, AFC, etc..., you're going to need to master the English language well enough that your tone and meaning are properly converted to your readers. You're popping in left and right, making unqualified comments. On the technical village pump, you advised someone to copy a script that was in your userspace and use, though it is very clear you are not able to handle coding very well.
That was one example, but if someone loses patience with you and reports you on ANI, your history will be reviewed and you may face some kind of block. You clearly mean well, so I don't want to see that happen. My advice to you, focus on one area first, gain experience on that area, and move on when people stop complaining about mistakes you make in that area. Your experience you gain in one area will guide your developing experience in another, and you will become a more productive user on Wikipedia.—cyberpowerChat:Offline02:29, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Cyberpower678 I like your advice and I think Indian Military History group that is currently in the WP:MILHIST Incubator is a good place to start gaining experience in article work. I am starting to work in it. Thanks a lot VarunFEB200312:36, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
OK Varun, that's good. I see that Kautilya3 has reverted to the BBC source and statement. I think your source is OK, but even so, may I suggest that it would be best to let his version stand, as things are very busy and rather tense at that article today (see Callanecc's protection of this morning). That article would be a good place to keep cool and not get too involved. The difference between two decades and 26 years is a very small thing compared with the real issues described there. --Stfg (talk) 13:13, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
This is the difference between news for a domestic audience, and news for an international one. Hindustan Times reporters, freelancing to the BBC, have sent them a report saying the exact length of time, whilst a BBC sub-editor has decided that's overly detailed for the broad overview his mandate requires. MuffledPocketed13:19, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
I ain't getting involved; I do think that we should tend towards the accurate rather than the general; and tbh, 26 years is rather closer to three decades than to two. I'm more interested in why, in breathtaking ignorance of WP:LABEL, the perps are referred to repeatedly as 'terrorists.' MuffledPocketed13:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
No tension. I just want this article to be clean because I think it is an extremely important event. Please feel free to add the 26 years detail in the body. But, personally, I think the number is not particularly important. Then people start wondering what happened 26 years ago, and how the comparison is made etc. It has become "deadly" because the Indians were housing soldiers in flammable tents, not because of what the militants did. So I think a direct comparison with something that happened in the past is misleading. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure how they could Varun; According to the UK's 'Caravan and camping club (probably not a WP:RS though!!!), No tent fabric is fireproof. Today most tent makers claim their fabrics are fire retardant but all tents will burn and most will burn remarkably quickly. Although you would think that governments would provide the best quality. (Except the British Govt, of course). PS: WP:NOTFORUM! MuffledPocketed13:36, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
No tents can resist fire forever. But the good ones should at least give enough time for the people to escape. The faults on the Indian side seem to be many. Uri is the Brigade headquarters, and they had been warned two days earlier that it was a target. Dalbir Singh's statement even said that the barracks were "empty" and the militants occupied it. If the barracks were empty, why were the soldiers sleeping in tents? There are far too many questions here, which will only be answered in course of time, if at all.
Thanks a lot Kautilya. Fortuna you got me wrong! I was asking that question because Kautilya stated deadly" because the Indians were housing soldiers in flammable tents, so I had a question can tents be non-flammable. Anyway let's leave the thing as its unrelated here!! VarunFEB200316:47, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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Actually, my way is easier. I use one of those templates for The Teahouse. That's a little more time-consuming.
By the time I get to questions they're archived. With my slow Internet, my new computer is temperamental with long pages (the old one was not) so I don't go to the Teahouse or Help Desk any more. The Help Desk has a template for questions that haven't been archived does your way work with archived questions?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:01, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
@Vchimpanzee: Hello sorry for being late to reply, I had dozed off! There are 2 ways of sending talk backs for both Help Desk and Teahouse:
Help Desk-
Using the signature talkbacker that creates a talkback link next to each signature on the help desk. It is like a One Click Talkbacker. Clicking the TB link automatically posts the talkback at the user talk page.
Using the Utility menu. This adds a Help Desk Talkback link in the More Menu allowing you to easily leave Talkbacks at User talks.
You can use both too.
Teahouse-
Using the signature talkbacker that creates a talkback link next to each signature on the Teahouse. It is like a One Click Talkbacker. Clicking the TB link automatically posts the talkback at the user talk page.
Using the Utility menu. This adds a Teahouse Talkback link in the More Menu allowing you to easily leave Talkbacks at User talks.
You can use both too.
If you are leaving a talkback. Generally that message doesnt archived unless the requesting user says his question has been answered. If you want to leave it for archives you can use No.2 (Utility menu) script to leave talk backs for archives. I world suggest you use both scripts so that you can do it for both the archives and the main page. Thanks VarunFEB200305:21, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm not sure it won't be more complicated for me to do this. And like I said, the computer gets temperamental with the actual pages, so I won't be answering or helping with new questions.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:22, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
No problem if you ever wish to start that work again and you need the scripts I'll fetch them for you. Thanks. Happy editing. VarunFEB200305:37, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, funny you said about "I'll specially be making some templates (navboxes/infoboxes) to help things be more connected!". For a while I've been thinking about setting up a directory on here of navigational templates by area of the world. You know you have navigational templates for Provinces, Districts, even Municipalities and smaller towns. Well the idea would be to draw up a sort of geographical mapping project for nav templates which maps out the planet by country, province, district and municipality, and then try to ensure that each province and municipality has its own navigation template, like Template:Amasya District which I recently created for instance. Each district of Turkey should have one. In terms of long term development I think it's important that we have general articles collected together for most areas of the world. It would be laid out with sub pages by continent and country and then to have a directory of the existing templates we currently have, and then redlink templates which need to be created to complete the jigsaw so to speak for each country. Ideally something too where we can have a big map of a country and a clickable map by area of a country or region in which you can click to view the navigation template. And then we can see which areas of the world need the most development. I think it's a necessary infrastructure and a great way to encourage development and link together articles on each locality. I don't know if you'd be interested.♦ Dr. Blofeld12:42, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
A directory of Category:Country subdivision templates in which you link the templates for each division under each country, province, district, municipality etc. Create a directory of what we've got, and then work out what second, third or fourth level divisions don't have a navigational templates and try to complete as full a picture as possible. Part of it may require finding some articles from different areas to create one which a project can use at a later date. What would be an ideal name do you think? Wikipedia:Country subdivision templates?♦ Dr. Blofeld13:02, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I've merged it in as a workpage of Wikipedia:WikiProject Navigation templates. If you could begin developing this I'd be grateful. I think each country would need to have it's own subpage, but if you see my UK example, it would involve mapping out the nav plates we have for first level down to fourth level administrative divisions. For India for example you'd start with the state template, and then the state templates, then district templates for each state etc. Eventually of course we want templates for every lcoality with some articles connected together but the most important thing I think is to see what we have in total for each state and district worldwide. I hope this is in the vein of what you've been planning. For some reason though there's an error for Wales, is there only a maximum allowed to be displayed or something?♦ Dr. Blofeld14:29, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
With that yup. If there's any landmarks/buildings too they can also go in the template. Then of course place the template at the bototm of all related articles. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld08:49, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
It seems you built a fake login at User:VarunFEB2003/sandbox 5. Even though it apparently does nothing, I'm sure you'll agree it's not a good idea to have people ever type their password into something other than the genuine login page. May I ask you to dismantle that fake login? Huon (talk) 18:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
@GB fan: Please undelete them now I'll put on a comment tag so it is int seen. I made that with lots and lots of hard work so please bring it back. I have allowance to do any testing in my sandbox. Retrieve it now VarunFEB200306:31, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
You don't have an allowance to do any testing you want in your sandbox, there are limitations. These pages are not yours, everything belongs to the community. I don't see any reason there should be a replica of the login page anywhere on this wiki. As Huon said above, we shouldn't have a place where someone can type in their username and password other than the official login screen. As far as I can see, what I deleted isn't helpful to building the encyclopedia or maintaining it. Unless you can convince me or another admin that this is helpful it won't be undeleted. If you convince another admin to undelete it, I will not object. I think you are pretty good at coding, but think you should move to actually making things that the community can use. -- GBfan11:45, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Hey, I don't know if you noticed but I standardized the sizes/colors of the "toggle" images you use in {{toggle switch}}. However, I noticed that File:Toggle on green.png didn't have the same style/format as the other "toggle on" images like File:Toggle on orange.png. I wasn't able to quite reproduce what you did with the others for green, so I thought I'd ask you to re-make the green one so that all three images have the same style/coloration. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 20:25, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Do you not have the original PS files for all four toggles with words? By the way, I'm watching your talk page so I don't need a {{talkback}} notification. Primefac (talk) 14:13, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
@Primefac: I have original files only both with and without words is this not okay to use in the toggle switch. Can you help me improve this image. It needs a lot of improvement after which it will come at par with other toggles VarunFEB200307:08, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
For your v2, the text is the wrong font and the aspect is wrong (it should be the same size/shape as the other toggles. I guess my question is why you made the blue/orange/grey with the shadows and didn't do so with the green in the first place? Primefac (talk) 02:34, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Varun, to adjust the color you should open the image in photoshop, select and split the button and text to a separate layer, then apply a hue/saturation filter to the remaining elements - adjust to taste, but here, I did it for you: File:Toggle on green.png. Here's a link where you can download the photoshop psd file. Now can you tell us how you created them in the first place? I'm curious. --Begoon10:39, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
@Begoon:First of all thanks a lot! I am not a Photoshop expert, I barely do things using it, I instead am an Microsoft Paint expert and can create/draw anything in it! Now how I made it -
Step 1 - First of all I created this - File:Toggle green.png a simple rounded rectangle.
Step 2 - Then I increased the size of the circle and gave it the color we have in the background of editing window's bottom at Wiki.
Step 3 - Remembering (from the previous iOS buttons) another rounded rectangle with a lighten color inside the big one gives it a good look, I created another rounded rectangle within it and gave it a lighter shade.
Step 4 - Then I did a bit of Photoshoping (not a lot!) and made them look a bit more realistic and then typed in the words ON/OFF.
Step 5 - Almost done! Centpacrr at Graphics Lab did the background transparenting and it's ready for use.
Comment from uninvolved editor: while these images are nice, Wikipedia prefers images such as these that will be used in templates to be rendered using SVG. (See Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload.) For non-photographic information (i.e. shapes and words, but no actual photographs), SVG format is more easily and accurately scaled across a wide range of sizes and browsers. I don't know if Photoshop supports SVG export, and I'm almost certain that Microsoft Paint does not. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!!15:27, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
I neither know how to create vector graphics nor have created. Someone who uses Inkskape around here can do it, I don't know how to do it! VarunFEB200315:29, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Inkscape is certainly one way. Personally, I use a plain text editor (Microsoft Wordpad to be exact). Attempting to use a software tool to convert a raster image (such as a .png) to vector always makes the file much, much, bigger, since what happens is that each dot gets drawn separately. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:56, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
I think I've managed to make the blank toggle a bit darker to match. Begoon, thank you for the updated coloration on green. At some point I'll remember where I put my SVG programs, but for the moment (unless someone else steps forward) they'll have to stay PNGs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Primefac (talk • contribs) 22:21, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
@Primefac: The color you have changed has gone too dark. Use color code #3CB03C in the toggles color. This color's RGB Code is R-60 G-176 B-60 . This is the color of green toggle. Hope it helps! P.S Do you use the Colorblender? VarunFEB200307:43, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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Twice today I have seen you make posts with strangely-formatted headings and edit summaries, viz. this and this. You can easily avoid such problems by using the "New section" tab at the top of the page. Put the section title in the first (single-line) box, don't add any more headings in the second (large) box. So, for instance, on this page I have put "New sections on discussion pages" in the first box, and upon saving, the edit summary is stored as /* New sections on discussion pages */ new section, and displays like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:43, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Why didn't you disable it the moment it was malfunctioning then ? .... You clearly would've known the moment you posted those it was malfunctioning so you should've disabled it on the first post instead of carrying on using it. –Davey2010Talk13:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
@Davey2010:Since you have taken it too seriously may I ask you does it even matter. I had corrected those things (the extra section created) so what is the problem here now. I am not doing any thing that's gonna break that ice so...? VarunFEB200310:57, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Ofcourse it's taken seriously .... we're not a playground....., My problem is you've knowingly used a tool that was messing up and stated above "which I am going to disable" which clearly indicates you hadn't disabled it prior to this notice and you may of planned to do bugger all before this notice anyway, You've fixed the issues the moment it happened and that's great but the first time it messed up you should've gone to the script owner, notified them of the error and then disabled it for the time being .....,
I am not doing any thing that's gonna break that ice so - It's not far from breaking my friend it's not far from breaking, The amount of warnings/notices you have so far isn't the best and (I mean this in a nice way) but the communities patience will soon wear thin so as I said take a step back for a while and I guess edit with more caution,
@Davey2010: Okay, actually I had not seen the edit summary issue but was aware of extra sections created so I used it as it was crucial for me at times. I had thought I'll keep correcting the extra sections but I wasn't aware of the summary though. Sorry for the disruption and I ain't gonna crack that ice I'll thicken it instead until it's a mountain! VarunFEB200315:10, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hello Whatamidoing Greetings! Thanks for the ping! I'll just check it out. I speak English and Hindi professionally. I can also speak intermediate levels of German language. I am aware of the Babel boxes but I find the colorful UBXs much more pleasing. However you did give me a goooood idea. I'll fit it somewhere in my userpage's paragraphs! VarunFEB200307:05, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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@Whatamidoing (WMF): Yeah I can translate that. Hindi is my mother tongue so obviously I speak it extremely fluently. The only thing I lack is a Hindi keyboard. Though if you want I can type from my phone or use Google Transliterate! VarunFEB200310:26, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
m:Tech/News/2016/40 is ready for translation. It'll probably be delivered about 16 hours from now. Don't worry if you don't manage all of it this time. The first time is always the hardest, because it has a difficult UI system. Everyone should consider their first translation an experiment. Even getting one sentence translated (and especially one heading, because those get reused almost every week) is a success. My advice is to try translating the easiest bits, and to copy any formatting you see (especially $variables) exactly like you see it. User:Johan (WMF) (EU timezones) can probably help you if you get stuck. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:08, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF) and Johan (WMF): I have translated the whole of it! It is available at here I want an Indian Wikipedian like Titodutta to have a look and refine the language because it can be! Thank you! The synatax is what I copied from Media Wiki but it displays as if it were wrapper in a nowiki. Can you please check on that? 13:22, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Hey Varun! There's actually a translation tool on meta designed for this purpose: see here. You just click on the button next to each section of text and insert the translation. Good luck! — OliORPyfan!14:02, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your help. I manually added the translation to the others on Meta so it was included when the newsletter was sent out! (: If you want to help out in the future, which would be awesome, of course, using the tool on Meta that's mentioned above will probably make it much easier for you – just hit "Translate this page" towards the top of the page. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 21:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
@WikiPancake: Thank you thank you thank you so so so much! It has been a long time someone appreciated me. And yes thanks for supporting my template. Best person I have chatted with here! VarunFEB200314:55, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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@Kautilya3: I was not aware about any restrictions, I can delete it but please tell me what the restrictions are so that I know. 06:49, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Got it thanks! Actually I had received the ping and was directly taken to the section so didn't see the box. Anyways I had a question. Since I am neither familiar with ArbCom's functioning nor its process so what will be considered wrong? VarunFEB200309:25, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
For ArbCom's functioning and process, follow the first and fourth links in that box. For the specifics of matters related to India-Pakistan relations, follow the second link (which I have fixed). It would be wrong for me to summarise that here. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:12, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
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