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The ORES review tool is now available on Special:Contributions as a beta feature. It can make it easier to find contributions that are probably damaging the wikis. The ORES review tool is available on Wikidata and Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Dutch, Turkish and Russian Wikipedia. [1]
The norm and ccnorm functions have been updated to make it easier to write abuse filters. This also affects the TitleBlacklist extension. You don't have to transform "I" and "L" to "1", "O" to "0" and "S" to "5" anymore. [2]
The old pageview data in the "pagecounts-raw" and "pagecounts-all-sites" files is no longer being updated. You can find the new pageview data here. This happened on August 5. [3]
Problems
Some big image files could not be thumbnailed. This has now been fixed. [4]
When you moved a page over a redirect it would delete the redirect without saving it in the logs. This has now been fixed. [5]
Changes this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 August. It will be on all wikis from 25 August (calendar).
Meetings
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Future changes
Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. You will be able to get a notification when you successfully sent out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This will be opt-in. You can test this on the test wiki. [6][7]
How you add text after an edit conflict might work in a different way in the future. You can test the prototype. [8]
Thanks for pitching in to reduce the Articles for Creation backlog. I noticed that you declined Draft:Goluguri Bapi Raju with the explanation "Please adhere to MoS guidelines." A better choice in that case would have been the "bio" decline - for a person not yet shown to meet notability guidelines (only one source, www.gbrcolleges.com).
AfC's mandate is to accept articles that are likely to survive an AfD nomination, and articles are not deleted for failing to follow the Manual of Style. MOS problems is not one of the valid reasons in the AfC reviewing instructions to decline a draft. Indeed, articles can be promoted all the way to Good status without complying with the MOS. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
@Worldbruce: It had no head no tail it didn't even look like an article looked like a data bank where you put whatever you find and then submit it. I know the instructions and probably my reason there was wrong but it nowhere looked like one to be accepted even if it was about Steve Jobs! I am nomore a reviewer as i don't meet the criteria yetVarunFEB2003I am Offline 12:45, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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This is NOT a vandal. Please slow down and read the relevant policies and guidelines, you're creating more work for others cleaning up after you with your erroneous tagging and reports. - NQ(talk)13:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi Varun, I've noticed that you have been tagging articles with CSD templates. We all know that there are a lot of articles created that simply don't belong on Wikipedia, but I'd like to ask you to be more careful with your tagging, because in several cases you've used CSD templates that are not really appropriate for the article you've placed them on.
This is not patent nonsense. "Patent nonsense" means incoherent gibberish, text that makes no sense whatsoever (not including text in foreign languages or badly-written but understandable English), or random strings of characters (which is also often possible to tag as pure vandalism).
Here, you used the G8 tag "dependent page of a page which does not exist, has been deleted, or is itself currently tagged for speedy deletion". That can only be used for pages that could not actually exist without the other page, typically redirects to redlinks or speedy tagged pages. An article about a related subject is not "dependent on" the other page.
Here you placed both an A1 "very short" and an A3 "no content" tag - those are typically mutually exclusive, that is, if one of them is applicable, the other one won't be. Since there is some content on this page, it's not eligible for A3.
This article is promotional and (in my opinion) eligible for speedy deletion per G11 "unambiguous promotion", but it's not a test page.
I think all you need is a little more time to read and understand the deletion rationales, but for the moment it would be good if you slowed down a little. Regards, --bonadeacontributionstalk13:37, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
An automatically updating edit counter could probably only be implemented using a magic word (at least if you wanted everyone to be able to see it). I can't see a magic word that returns an edit count, so this is probably impossible.
(It would be possible to use a script to make it appear to your own view that an edit count was updating, but this would be pointless as nobody else would see the count update.) --ais523 17:41, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I saw the deletion request and, btw, this is not a case of speedy deletion. This template, referred to the Raion, is not a duplicate of {{Minsk Region}}, referred to the Oblast. Even if there are several red links, they are allowed in this kind of navigational templates for municipalites and similar. It is a normal navbox for places by county/province/district, and not the only case of tmp for subdivision with several pages waiting for creation. Regards. --Dэя-Бøяg18:56, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I'll explain better the templates: The places (red and blue) linked in the {{Minsk Raion}} are the municipalities of Minsk Raion (sort of "Minsk County"), one of the districts of Minsk Region (Oblast). The articles linked in the {{Minsk Region}} are the counties (raions) and the cities and towns with official city status (note: this is the standard form for any kind of template by Oblast in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine). Any of that raions has several municipalities and the ones linked here are only the ones of a single district on a total (for Minsk Oblast) of 22. Again, regards. --Dэя-Бøяg19:08, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Please stop making up policies in WP:PROD nominations. I've just declined a big stack of identical deletion nominations from you of articles on Moldovan football, citing WP:NSEASONS. You have clearly not bothered to read it before citing it, as it's very explicitly about the notability of individual teams not entire national leagues; if you feel we shouldn't be covering seasons in national leagues take it to AFD. ‑ Iridescent07:44, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
@Iridescent: Not at all (if you think I'm cherry-picking)! But tell me if every year an article is created with just the scorecard of the league season held that year doesn't it spam Wikipedia. WP:NSEASONS says "Wikipedia isn't a stats directory" then aren't these articles violating it? They just house the scorecard. Moreover if they have to be kept let's keep all score cards in 1 to 2 articles. More than 30 articles are acquired by these seasons itself and a cleanup is strictly required (I feel so). Can you please help me out on these? Thanks and Regards VarunFEB2003I am Offline 12:02, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
For at least the third time, WP:NSEASONS is about the notability of the seasons of individual teams and has no relevance to articles on the seasons of a national football league. Just because you feel a topic is unimportant, doesn't mean Wikipedia feels the topic is unimportant, and certainly doesn't give you the right to request that the articles be deleted (not even merged but outright deleted). You're talking about national-level leagues in a European country with a fairly strong footballing tradition, not an obscure local amateur league in a minority-interest sport. If you seriously consider this "spam", then your opinions on what constitutes spam are so at odds with Wikipedia consensus that I strongly advise you to avoid any kind of patrolling work.
I'll also echo the multiple other warnings you've received recently; while nobody doubts your good faith, you clearly have serious issues when it comes to understanding Wikipedia policies given how often you cite policies which don't say what you claim they say, or accuse people of "vandalism" for no apparent reason. While we extend a lot of good faith to new users learning to edit Wikipedia, not only do your incorrect warnings and advice potentially adversely affect other users, but your mistakes take a significant amount of other people's time to clean up—if you continue on this course, you will soon reach the point when people start to feel that you may need to be blocked to prevent further disruption. Find topics which interest you and write articles about them; Wikipedia maintenance tasks aren't as straightforward as they seem, and if you're not certain about how something should be done when it comes to a maintenance task you're probably not the one who should be doing that particular task. If you do ever nominate anything for deletion, cite the policy you feel applies, and actually read that policy and explain which part of it you feel applies. ‑ Iridescent15:14, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, VarunFEB2003! I'd simply like to tell you that I have changed my username from The Pancake of Heaven! to WikiPancake. From now on, please ping me with my new username! If there is a place where I stated myself as "The Pancake of Heaven," please let me know (minus signatures.) See my user page for more info. Thank you. :) WikiPancake✉📖14:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Would you please look again at this edit. That is absolutely not vandalism. Please read what the edit says, and look at the linked article. If you think it needs a citation then add one (or tag it cn, I suppose, if you won't do that). If you think it doesn't belong there then say why on the talk page. Either way, please fix what you did. And please don't use the term "vandalism" again until you have read and understood WP:NOTVAND. Thank you. --Begoontalk15:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I said he might have vandalism intention because he left a sentence incomplete. And thus I reverted it. Until a full sentence is made I am not reverting my edit. Once its done I'll revert. Thanks for the info! And sorry if I wrongly tagged it VarunFEB2003I am Offline 15:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
In 1905, Higginson was a co-founder of the Intercollegiate Socialist Society, along with attorney Clarence Darrow and two novelists, Jack London and Upton Sinclair. should be In 1905, Higginson co-founded the Intercollegiate Socialist Society, along with attorney Clarence Darrow and two novelists, Jack London and Upton Sinclair.. Tense incorrect + was a co-founder sounds as if the sentence will be continued. VarunFEB2003I am Offline 15:42, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
The sentence is perfectly correct grammatically. It sounds as if your knowledge of English is not sufficient for you to be editing the English Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
[e/c] There is no problem with the grammar. Varun, please fix your edit. An apology to the editor seems in order, too. Reacting defensively when your errors are pointed out isn't helping. A lot of people have given you good advice, but you don't seem to hear it. --Begoontalk15:50, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
That's fine, but, as numerous editors have pointed out, that means he needs to slow down and learn, instead of diving headlong into numerous complex areas he doesn't understand, acting as though he does, making unnecessary work for others, and offering wrong "advice", "warnings" and "instructions". He needs to actually listen to advice instead of becoming defensive and arguing the toss. Eventually other peoples' patience will run out. --Begoontalk16:28, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
It sounds as if your knowledge of English is not sufficient for you to be editing the English Wikipedia. David I understand your feelings, everyone makes mistakes and so did I. Sometimes I don't immediately realize my mistake but eventually do. Thanks a lot DatGuy for your support . And as Ayub said I am having a difficult time. I try to distance myself from areas that are not my cup of tea (at least not yet) But sometimes I make mistakes and try my best to revert it and apologize. I should probably put up that UBX saying this user tries to do the right thing if they make a mistake please tell them. I have apologized to the IP and have stored in mind not to make such mistakes again. Thanks and Regards VarunFEB2003I am Offline 14:37, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Welcoming New Users
It's better if you welcome new users when they edited constructively. You're just welcoming users that didn't edit yet. Please read WP:WC. Ayub407talk15:06, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Basically, most welcome messages template says Thank you for your contribution while the account didn't make any edit so it doesn't make sense. Also, we don't want to welcome accounts that are sockpuppets or used for vandalism so it's better if we welcome them after they edit. Ayub407talk15:20, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Not to rub it in, but I see that this is not the only time you might have put someone off Wikipedia by refusing a perfectly valid request. May I suggest that, until you have a much better understanding of Wikipedia's way of doing things, if you see a request that you think should be refused, don't do anything, but leave it to someone else. It doesn't have to be you. The harm done by refusing a valid request can be substantial. --Stfg (talk) 09:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi:@Ayub407: See I had a long chat with this guy on Email. I can forward you the Email if you want. I dont know but if something cannot be viewed how can you be sure that it's sure to exist (can't it be a hoax?) How can you verify? Since there was no proof that the said material existed in the particular book I declined that request saying that material isn't publicly view able so I can't make the change. My answer was marked as nonsense. What wrong had I done?? VarunFEB2003I am Offline 14:06, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Varun, have you yet read WP:OFFLINE, as Ayub407 suggested yesterday? What you did wrong is made quite clear in its very first paragraph. Just because you may not be able to get hold of the book and check that it says what is claimed, that doesn't mean that nobody else can. If you can't make the check, leave well alone and let someone else do it. Don't guess. OK? --Stfg (talk) 14:16, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi VarunFEB2003. I've done a quick grammar improvement for List of S.S.C. Napoli players as it was very minor, but please would you note that copy editing is for improving the prose, not for general style cleanup. Also, the main purpose of the GOCE requests page is for articles that you have worked on substantially in anticipation of taking them to some milestone like FAC, GA, A-class, DYK, etc. For articles that you spot are badly written, please just tag them with {{copy edit}}, and if the article improvements other for poor prose, please use some other tag like {{cleanup}}. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 14:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Pakistani editor Mar4d created a WP:REDIRECT to the article Narendra Modi. The redirect was deleted by an administrator after it was nominated at WP:RFD.
Later on when he saw that Kautilya3, Joshua Jonathan and RegentsPark voted "delete", he became worried that his anti-Indian POV will get exposed. On 23rd May 2015, he amended his vote and changed to "Weak delete". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.38.24 (talk)
Just voicing my opinion here, I see you declining an edit request for Fat Mike. Some thing I wanna point out. 1: You declined the request the first time because of unreliable source. You see, although it does not cite any website, it still considered as a reliable source (if the book was valid and searchable on search engines). And also note that Fat Mike is a member of NOFX. You should not decline straight away and maybe search if the book was valid like Google Books. Maybe slow down a bit actually. 2: You declined second time, saying its not viewable on web, even though the Google Books website was listed, what? Even User:Stfg saying this reply as nonsense. The website clearly linked to the Google Books page, and yet you declining it? I think you need to re-read WP:CITE and WP:IRS. Thanks, NgYShunghuh?12:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
In my comment at the AWB page it's actually you I was trying to protect, Varun. You already make a lot of mistakes and cause other people a lot of work cleaning up after you. AWB would allow you to make a lot more mess, very quickly. That could leave you in serious trouble, or even blocked. My advice is to withdraw that request until you are able to perform basic tasks without causing errors, complaints and clean up work for others. I think it's good advice. You're free to ignore it, but at least I've tried to help. --Begoontalk13:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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Wikimedia mobile sites now don't load images if the user doesn't see them. This is to save mobile data and make the pages load faster. [10]
When you edit a table with the visual editor, pressing Tab in the last cell of a row will take you to the first cell in the next row. Pressing Shift and Tab in the first cell of a row will take you to the last cell in the previous row. [11]
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The name of the "Save page" button will change. The button will say "Publish page" when you create a new page. It will say "Publish changes" when you change an existing page. [12][13]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 August. It will be on all wikis from 1 September (calendar).
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Your signature, VarunFEB2003I am Offline (or online), is confusing. Some messages say you're online, while some say that you're offline. It's not a good idea to put your userstatus in your signature, as once you change your status every place (where you signed your posts)'s status won't be changed. Happy editing, WikiPancake✉📖13:55, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
I know, I copied it from Cyberpower678 and I like it very much. I was thinking of it saying "Online at time of signing" VarunFEB2003I am Offline 04:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
He couldn't, of course - that's why it's so silly and pointless. Because there can't be a "live" template in the signature it will only ever be subst'ed text, and utterly meaningless when viewed after the event, if not outright misleading. Yes, of course, logically, it should only ever say "I am online", because, as you say, he must be online, but if he doesn't manually update his "status" flag, that's when you get " I am offline". Utterly pointless, and, as I say, potentially confusing or even misleading. But Varun "likes it very much". Le sigh... --Begoontalk05:22, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, this may amuse you, and any exeprienced editor will realise that it's nonsense and ignore it, but inexperienced editors may be misled by it, and misleading new editors is not a good thing to do, so please change your signature before you sign anything again. 80.168.198.77 (talk) 09:44, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Yes we see, the question is why you're doing it. It's rather pointless, and adds a fair amount of HTML to each comment you make.. In my opinion, your signature would look a lot better without it -- samtartalk or stalk11:42, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I don't think it breaks any rules - it's just silly and pointless, and the sort of thing most sensible people would just get rid of, after the non-utility had been pointed out. Like many things on wikipedia, one does not always have to follow good advice, but how often one ignores it 'just because one can' will inform others' opinions. --Begoontalk12:00, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I was asked to comment here by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi at 09:54 today, which was one minute before I went out to work; but you deleted the thread before I had a chance to comment, so I have restored it exactly as it stood.
I see that you continue to sign like this, including the statement "Offline when signed". This is not just demonstrably untrue (in that you must have been online in order to make that post), it is misleading and confusing, and as such is in breach of WP:CUSTOMSIG, which says "A distracting, confusing, or otherwise unsuitable signature may adversely affect other users." I suggest that you remove that portion of your signature in its entirety. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:03, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I wasn't going to comment but screw it - VarunFEB can you not have a simple signature like the rest of us ? .... To put it extremely bluntly no one gives a flying shit if you're online, offline or are on a rocket to the moon ... No one cares in the slightest, As noted above your signature simply confuses everyone, Yes Cyberpower678 has one similar but if he jumped off of a cliff would you ? ... No ofcouse you wouldn't .... So do the normal thing and remove the crap from your signature, That way we can all move on with our lives. –Davey2010Talk21:16, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
By the way, Cyberpower678's status thing (when online) kinda blends with the font of the signature so it's easy to ignore it. Yours on the other hand is just too visually distracting. One question, when your signature says Offline when signed , how can you sign when you are offline? In a nutshell, when you sign, you're online. Ayub407talk07:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Very good. Thanks. Hardly any effort at all... Off-topic, I was also impressed at Jesse Robredo that you realised you stuffed up your first revert, and went back to fix it. That's good attention to detail. --Begoontalk15:43, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
I think people were getting unnecessarily bossy about this, but anyway, well done Varun. --Stfg (talk) 17:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)pɐǝɥ ʎɯ uo ƃuᴉpuɐʇs ǝlᴉɥʍ pǝuƃᴉs
Thanks all and welcome too! Thanks Begoon actually I was using Lupins tool and when I expanded it there to see vandalism I pressed the undo button there which reverted it there itself! Then I realized that I had not actually fully-reverted it so I used Twinkle to clean it up! Thanks. And Thanks Fortuna that was one sort of misleading vandalism! Thanks you all VarunFEB200312:21, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
-- samtar talk or stalk 11:42, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
well done on correctly identifying vandelism- even though it pretended to be something official! Keep up the good work. Muffled Pocketed 17:15, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
