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EmRata image
You asked about more free images, such as from a video, and I wrote I couldn't find any besides those two. Well, I think now I have found a freely licensed video that we could theoretically get a screenshot or two from. https://vimeo.com/60986874 It's the video of her GQ Turkey photoshoot. It's marked Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 under the "more" link under the video. I believe the license because the uploader is apparently Eric Longden, professional filmmaker, who videod the thing for GQ, it's convincing because he has over a hundred similar professional Vimeo videos, a website linking to the Vimeo account, GQ on his resume, etc. (This is in contrast to the other so licensed Ratajkowski video on Vimeo, which was uploaded by someone without any explanation as to why he can so license it; I don't believe that license, and don't recommend any screenshots from there.) If you want, you can indicate the times where you think the most suitable frames are, as you did for that YouTube video, and I can grab the screenshots, or you can do it yourself. Preferably the ones with ... more clothes, shall we say? Maybe one where she is standing next to Tony Kelly, if you think he's important to her career, then a picture of them both together might be nice. Your call.
On a completely unrelated note, I made the terrible mistake (terrible for the sake of my ego, that is) of coming to your user pages, and then looking up your name in the real world. I am now officially intimidated. You have written 30 featured articles, and you're a photographer, and a project director, and can apparently bench-press a Buick? Where in God's name do you find the time?!? Please let me know when you either win the Nobel Prize or run for the Presidency, so I can say "I once worked on an article review with him"... --GRuban (talk) 14:21, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- Kind words are appreciated.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:32, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- OK, you wrote you only edit Tuesday through Thursday and Thursday has passed, so you're not going to respond, so I did it myself. Here are 3 images I got from there, that show her actually doing her job, which I think is valuable. I put the first two in the article. Feel free to rearrange, change captions, choose different ones, etc., with due consideration. --GRuban (talk) 16:05, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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American model Emily Ratajkowski prepares for a photo and cover shoot for GQ Türkiye men's magazine. Her stylist is Mitch Stone.
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Irish photographer Tony Kelly and American model Emily Ratajkowski examine photographs for a photo and cover shoot for GQ Türkiye men's magazine.
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Irish photographer Tony Kelly photographs American model Emily Ratajkowski for GQ Türkiye men's magazine.
- It seems you don't actually respond to messages on your user talk page; but do edit on this Friday at least. I'll stick by what I wrote, which is that I will let you put the images as you see fit, but:
- regarding my editing on Friday. The uber day runs from 4AM to 4AM. Although I took a 2+ hour break in the middle of the day. I was online for 17 hours and 45 minutes otherwise. So I probably was due for a 2+ hour break. That was very different from tues-Thurs where I checked my watchlist at least a half dozen times (I ignore most of the talk pages on my watchlist nowadays though).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:18, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- I did see them as being more representative of her work in general, not of her GQ Turkiye photo shoot specifically. I'm sure she has her hair done for all professional shoots, and I can imagine she looks over the photos on most. Neither of those two photos was particularly distinctive as being from her Turkiye shoot so to speak. So I don't think putting them together in a box labeled 2013 GQ Turkiye photo shoot is the best, that's why I sprinkled them throughout the career section, as to say "this is what she does in her career". The third one is fairly identifiable as a scene from that shoot, but you didn't use that one.
- I am going to put in a 13 hour day today after my lunch settles and I get a few quick household chores done. Can we revisit this once you get us some other caps of the typical Emrata stuff. I think the eye liner, and lip liner vid caps may be even better. I think in a few years as we get more photos, images are going to be stuck in chronologically along with the prose. That is generally how it works.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:31, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- I will, however, object to the grammar of the bottom caption: "(top) Tony Kelly and Ratajkowski examine photographs and (bottom) Ratajkowski's during hair styling" should be something like: "(top) Tony Kelly and Ratajkowski examine photographs (bottom) Ratajkowski's hair being styled" as it's not clear what the "'s" refers to otherwise, and I don't think the "and" is needed.
- Feel free to edit the WP:CAPTION. Also, look on the file description pages. I have spread those images around WP.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:31, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- Finally, if you must stick them together, I recommend putting the hair styling one on top, as I'm pretty sure she got her hair styled before the photos were made, not after. But that's another image placement thing that I will grit my teeth and bear if I must. --GRuban (talk) 20:16, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- I think we should go with one hair, one makeup, and one photoshoot image. Let's see how the vid caps and/or videos go with the suggestions below.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- On a separate matter - you, unlike me, are a real photographer! May I ask photo advice? Your opinion - should the first image, the hair styling one, be cropped tighter horizontally to remove the people in the background to one side and the bright light to the other? I tried it and thought it looked better as is, but will value your view. Also, anything you can recommend to get rid of the bright light in the middle of the second image? I tried smearing it, but wasn't able to do a good job, so left it; anything you can do? --GRuban (talk) 20:22, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- No one who is a real photographer considers me to be a photographer. Ask around at WP:FPC. I am not a photographer. Did you get the optimal frame for avoiding the big light? Don't crop the hair styling image to the point that any of her body is eliminated from the photo. However, I try to crop to either 3:2 or 4:3 proportions. I almost always go with 3:2. Look at how 2015 McDonald's All-American Boys Game looks and imagine if I cropped to random proportions. Try to do all the images in the same proportions. We may want to put the images side by side in a horizontal Template:Multiple image layout.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- P.S. if you can not do 3:2 or 4:3 do square.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:21, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- No one who is a real photographer considers me to be a photographer. Ask around at WP:FPC. I am not a photographer. Did you get the optimal frame for avoiding the big light? Don't crop the hair styling image to the point that any of her body is eliminated from the photo. However, I try to crop to either 3:2 or 4:3 proportions. I almost always go with 3:2. Look at how 2015 McDonald's All-American Boys Game looks and imagine if I cropped to random proportions. Try to do all the images in the same proportions. We may want to put the images side by side in a horizontal Template:Multiple image layout.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- GRuban I have gotten out of the habit of rapid talk page response. The small numbers at the top don't catch my eye like the long bar across the top use to. Many elements of that video would be helpful to illustrating WP. The most important is for the photographer himself. Here are my thoughts on elements of the video that could be useful.
- It seems you don't actually respond to messages on your user talk page; but do edit on this Friday at least. I'll stick by what I wrote, which is that I will let you put the images as you see fit, but:
- 08 eye liner
- 22 Tony Kelly
- 32 Digital photography
- 33 or 36 Hair roller
- 49-51 cake ?
- 58 camera phone
- 1:09 lip liner
- 1:44 boot, kinky boots or Thigh-high boots
This is not a response to all of the questions above. I am headed to the gym in 10 minutes.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:51, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- P.S. I was a bit frustrated that WP has no article for a blow toy or whatever you call those things because we have some awesome pictures. I am also not sure why we don't have a surprise cake article.--
- P.S. You may want to make short videos for the eye liner, lip liner and hair roller content.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:25, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- Also, let's look at just the right side of File:Tony Kelly photographing Emily Ratajkowski for GQ Türkiye.jpg.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- I just found the Party horn article. Please do a vid cap for this article too. The image can also go at the bottom of Party favor.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:44, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- GRuban, I have withdrawn the nomination. We should get these images together over the next few days and figure out proper presentation. I have to figure out if I have any software that can create mini videos from the source. I think there could be as many as 4 or 5 useful ones to be made. Let me know what you think you might be able to do. My Uber day will not be so long tomorrow. I will have a couple of hours tomorrow night depending on what software I have. Do you know any free software to crop .mp4s and export their still images?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- GRuban, oops. I usually shoot in 3:2 with my camera. I mostly shoot individual athletes and buildings, which look good in portrait. Thus, my prior advice was germane. I don't think the majority of the images above will look good at 3:2 although 2:3 might be O.K. However, I think my point is that you should edit toward the aspect of the original file. I am going to try to make the videos in the next 48 hours and then look at some images.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:40, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- Aww, that's disappointing. (The FAC withdrawal, not that you're going to take photos.) I'll try to take some of the screenshots you asked, but have to admit that part of my motivation was helping with a FA. --GRuban (talk) 15:46, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- GRuban, I will renominate soon. Possibly by the end of the week. There is still a good shot at promotion by the end of May with a renom. I'll be working on this a lot for the next 72 hours. At 4 support and 3 oppose, I think we have a better chance restarting the nomination. A lot of time you lose some support and oppose from nom to nom. I have created 11 videos and posted 9 at commons. Unfortunately, I used a online .ogg converter, which is a lower quality conversion than I am used to. Check in Category:2013 GQ Türkiye photo shoot. I may try to redo them somehow. I have also done a lot of screen grabs that I have yet to crop. Stay with me. There is a lot more for us to do. Let's keep on working on this.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- GRuban, I have posted a 10th video and now have put 9 of them in WP articles. I have not decided which one to put in Emily's article because I still have to do work on cropping images and the two efforts will go hand in hand in terms of augmenting her page.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:28, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- GRuban, I used Windows Movie Maker to crop videos and to create screenshots. However, the software produces very small images. What software are you using. Each image is timestamped for the exact frame. Can you help me get bigger images of some of them easily?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:26, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- I do it the old fashioned way ... I maximize the video to fill my computer screen, and hit "PrtScr" (Print Screen) at the right time. :-) This makes a screenshot, that I then paste into MS Paint to crop. If I need to do more than just crop, lighten for example, I use GIMP or Picasa, but that doesn't exist everywhere, Paint is everywhere. :-). (I also write computer programs using a text editor. Stone knives and bearskins, that's me.)--GRuban (talk) 19:13, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- WOW! I just looked at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Emily_Ratajkowski - you don't do things half way, do you?!? Impressive. Yes, I see what you mean about the small photos. We can do this gradually, replacing the small photos with larger ones one at a time, since the small images in the article itself will look much the same either way. --GRuban (talk) 19:18, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- I will probably try a screen grab myself so that I can crop some of the images down a bit. The current size is too small to be cropped to 3:2.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:30, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- WOW! I just looked at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Emily_Ratajkowski - you don't do things half way, do you?!? Impressive. Yes, I see what you mean about the small photos. We can do this gradually, replacing the small photos with larger ones one at a time, since the small images in the article itself will look much the same either way. --GRuban (talk) 19:18, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- I do it the old fashioned way ... I maximize the video to fill my computer screen, and hit "PrtScr" (Print Screen) at the right time. :-) This makes a screenshot, that I then paste into MS Paint to crop. If I need to do more than just crop, lighten for example, I use GIMP or Picasa, but that doesn't exist everywhere, Paint is everywhere. :-). (I also write computer programs using a text editor. Stone knives and bearskins, that's me.)--GRuban (talk) 19:13, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- GRuban, I used Windows Movie Maker to crop videos and to create screenshots. However, the software produces very small images. What software are you using. Each image is timestamped for the exact frame. Can you help me get bigger images of some of them easily?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:26, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- GRuban, I have posted a 10th video and now have put 9 of them in WP articles. I have not decided which one to put in Emily's article because I still have to do work on cropping images and the two efforts will go hand in hand in terms of augmenting her page.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:28, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- GRuban, I will renominate soon. Possibly by the end of the week. There is still a good shot at promotion by the end of May with a renom. I'll be working on this a lot for the next 72 hours. At 4 support and 3 oppose, I think we have a better chance restarting the nomination. A lot of time you lose some support and oppose from nom to nom. I have created 11 videos and posted 9 at commons. Unfortunately, I used a online .ogg converter, which is a lower quality conversion than I am used to. Check in Category:2013 GQ Türkiye photo shoot. I may try to redo them somehow. I have also done a lot of screen grabs that I have yet to crop. Stay with me. There is a lot more for us to do. Let's keep on working on this.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Duncan Robinson (basketball)
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OGG File
Hi Tony, I've noticed you uploaded File:Touch It (Remix) (Busta Rhymes song - sample).ogg - You probably don't remember but would you remember where you found the song from ? ... It's just from what I can gather the song has never been on the album (The 2005 one had but this hadn't I don't think), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 16:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- Davey2010, I don't recall.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thought so, Thanks anyway. –Davey2010Talk 16:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
April 2016
Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Balloon. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. Velella Velella Talk 21:23, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Velella, what is promotional about actually depicting foil balloons. I was actually depicting the content of the articles and have restored the images you mindlessly deleted. Feel free to adjust the WP:CAPTIONs if you feel they are promotional. However, the images is explanatory.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Old Balloon edit It was a very nice addition to the article, FWIW. Probably not encyclopedic in some senses but ... 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- User:7&6=thirteen, I don't know why an image depicting toy foil balloons is not encyclopedic content when the prose discusses the subject. I have restored the content and welcome assistance revising the WP:CAPTIONs.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:22, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- I've removed the photo from several articles where it is clearly not appropriate. If you want to re-add, gain consensus on article talk pages. But a more important question: how are those images (the balloon one and the cake one) licensed appropriately for commons? I'll look into this more
in an hour or two- maybe there's something I don't understand - but it seems unlikely at first blush that you can use these. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:58, 12 April 2016 (UTC)- So it looks like it's a still from a video on vimeo. Can you show me where the owner of the copyright released it in a Creative Commons-compatible license? --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- The CC-By icon (and license link) is under the "more" link in the middle of the page. I try to add as much to the image page on my uploads, specifically to answer such queries, but see that Tony eventually got tired. See above for more detailed discussion on the license, etc. --GRuban (talk) 00:20, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, @GRuban:. I found the more button (and read the thread above you're talking about, which helped explain). I'm pretty surprised QC Turkey is OK with this (and kind of wonder if they actually are), but far be it from me to argue. I'm OK with the licensing issue now. Floquenbeam (talk) 00:30, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- The CC-By icon (and license link) is under the "more" link in the middle of the page. I try to add as much to the image page on my uploads, specifically to answer such queries, but see that Tony eventually got tired. See above for more detailed discussion on the license, etc. --GRuban (talk) 00:20, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- So it looks like it's a still from a video on vimeo. Can you show me where the owner of the copyright released it in a Creative Commons-compatible license? --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- I reverted the addition of these images across many articles as a blatant example of spamming. The same named model doing various vacuus things to try and make it seem relevant. At the same time trying to get the artcle about the model as a featured article. This smacks of paid and highly promotional editing. If it continues I will file a report for investigation. Velella Velella Talk 07:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- Tony's not paid, Velella, he is just a fan - and a truly remarkable editor, 30 FAs, nothing to sneeze at. More on User talk:GRuban#Emily Ratajkowski images and videos. Hopefully we can come to a compromise. --GRuban (talk) 16:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- I reverted the addition of these images across many articles as a blatant example of spamming. The same named model doing various vacuus things to try and make it seem relevant. At the same time trying to get the artcle about the model as a featured article. This smacks of paid and highly promotional editing. If it continues I will file a report for investigation. Velella Velella Talk 07:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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Emily Ratajkowski
TTT: I have accepted this article posted at the Guild of Copy Editors page for copy edit. Once you have submitted a request, it is usual not to continue to edit/change the article until it has been copy edited - i.e. "Articles that are undergoing rapid development". If you believe that the article needs additional work you should withdraw your request and re-submit it when you are satisfied that Emily Ratajkowski is completed. I will put a note on the GOCE page noting my message to you and await your response. Regards. Twofingered Typist (talk) 17:47, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Twofingered Typist, I am very relieved that you have accepted this article. I have gotten comments regarding its tone. I hope to nominate it at WP:FAC ASAP because I am attempting to get it promoted in time for her article to be a WP:TFA for her 25th birthday on June 7th. Thus, yes please proceed with the copyedit post haste. I am seeking advice on adding one video to the article at Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#Blurred_Lines, but will leave the rest of the text alone until your copyedit is complete.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:45, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, work continues. Will probably take me a day or two to complete. Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Are you aware that you are removing content that was requested at the most recent FAC with this edit?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:28, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Twofingered Typist--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- No, I'm not. For some reason I don't see the FAC notes. The deleted text is about the video not her and does not belong, IMO, in her biography. There is enough mention of the various issues the video raised to explain her statements which I feel are relevant and warrant inclusion. You can, of course, put back whatever material you feel should be included.Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:42, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Twofingered Typist, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive3 is long and extensive. However, you can sort of tell what was added in response to it by looking at the change to the article from the date I started the FAC and the date the FAC ended. Some even want more content (on their side of the arguments) than is in the article currently. However, they want certain content removed. My best advice is to try to hone the content that preexisted your involvement. Also, I noticed that you removed content in a way that leaves the remaining content without WP:ICs, which is absolutely unacceptable. This content is very delicate in the sense that every fact currently has a source. The content added since the FAC may be arguably not necessary, but I think even that is probably relevant to her current biographical depiction. Unfortunately, in about 10 minutes I will be going offline for the next 10 hours. I won't be able to provide further feedback. I actually, think that the article may have a bit much detail, but I don't think the FAC reviewers will accept the article without it.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:53, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- No, I'm not. For some reason I don't see the FAC notes. The deleted text is about the video not her and does not belong, IMO, in her biography. There is enough mention of the various issues the video raised to explain her statements which I feel are relevant and warrant inclusion. You can, of course, put back whatever material you feel should be included.Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:42, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Twofingered Typist--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Are you aware that you are removing content that was requested at the most recent FAC with this edit?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:28, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, work continues. Will probably take me a day or two to complete. Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Twofingered Typist, I just got home to check in. It seems that I may have disrupted your flow. I have only had a few copyedits, but they have not substantially changed the content. They have mostly polished things up. I had hoped you would work with the preexisting text to bring it in line with MOS. I am sure there are a bunch of WP:MOSTENSE, WP:NUMERALS and similar stylistic issues (including flow and chronology). Also, I have been told that the prose needs to be in a more disinterested tone, whatever that is. It is important that you do not cause facts to become disassociated from their WP:ICs as you did in the edits that you have made so far. Like I said earlier, I am looking to WP:GOCE for stylistic copyediting and not content manipulation. I'll be around until a little bit after lunch tomorrow, and then another long day offline. I'll check in before I check out.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
- I have checked the before/after versions of the Music Video Performances section and as far as I can tell the inline citations are still in their appropriate places. It seems to me that removing unnecessary text (IMO) is not "content manipulation" it's done in an effort to keep the article focused on its primary subject. I repeat, if you disagree with ny of my edits you are certainly entitled to reinstate them. I have fixed tenses and numbers where warranted so far. My method is to do two passes when I edit an article but because of my schedule it may be a day or two before I can finish this.Twofingered Typist (talk) 09:50, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
- I don't have a lot of time. However, the participants at FAC3, specifically requested that the controversies be added in the WP:LEAD and the main body. I.e., SlimVirgin complained that the lead that you have reduced back to "controversial music video for Robin Thicke's "Blurred Lines", which became the number one song of the year 2013 in several countries." is promotional. Then as I added controversy to the body, they asked for more and more about the controversy. I think you actually left the fact that it was the number one song of the year in several contries in the body and removed the prose in the body with the supporting WP:ICs. Leaving an unsourced prominent fact. I am in a bit of a hurry regarding direct WP:IC-fact associations, but that particular paragraph had a lot of purpose. That paragraph is an attempt to describe why a single music video could launch a career. It gives three points 1.) The song was popular around the world in 2013, 2.) It was popular in her home country for an unusually long time in 2013, 3.)After months of popularity as evidenced in the music charts, the song remained prominent for a much longer time due to news coverage. She was not involved in the plaguarism issue, but it probably contributed greatly to her popularity by keeping the song in people's minds until she could escalate her acting career and modelling careers to higher levels.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
- Also, I don't know if you need to be advised of Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#Blurred_Lines.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:27, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
- Twofingered Typist, the remaining prose may flow freely without unnecessary detail, but in terms of MOS, isn't it a bad idea to remove facts and the supporting WP:ICs from the main body that are important enough to be in the WP:LEAD. The problem is that I don't know whether you are saying the fact is so important as to be appropriate in the LEAD or so trivial as to be not worthwhile for inclusion in the main body. I left a message at WP:GOCE regarding this issue. Can you either clarify what you are saying.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:11, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
- The lead mentions the song is controversial and there is explanatory detail in the Music Video Performances section which I feel is enough to substantiate the lead without giving the whole history of the song which is not the focus of the article. Please add back anything you think should not have been edited. Regards Twofingered Typist (talk) 16:36, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
- I have checked the before/after versions of the Music Video Performances section and as far as I can tell the inline citations are still in their appropriate places. It seems to me that removing unnecessary text (IMO) is not "content manipulation" it's done in an effort to keep the article focused on its primary subject. I repeat, if you disagree with ny of my edits you are certainly entitled to reinstate them. I have fixed tenses and numbers where warranted so far. My method is to do two passes when I edit an article but because of my schedule it may be a day or two before I can finish this.Twofingered Typist (talk) 09:50, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
(←) Tony, regarding your comments at the GOCE Requests page, I've reviewed TTs edits you linked to. I can't see a problem in his edits, certainly not enough to be outraged about. We do our best to correct mistakes in prose, fix typos, grammatical problems etc., but we don't generally work on content issues and we can't magically make articles FA standard. Sometimes a c/e does raise the standard enough to push it over the line at GA/A-Class/FAC reviews, but that's usually because the content was good enough in the first place. Considering that this article is on its third FAC review, I think it's likely there are more problems with the article that another copy-edit can't alone fix. So please don't be outraged at the GOCE's copy-editors; we're only doing our best. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:10, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
- Baffle gab1978, to be precise, I had to do these corrective edits after the copyedit to restore WP:ICs and return the WP:V to the original level. The main problem with the article is that it provokes the ire of those who view "Blurred Lines" as a rape anthem. That being said, I am not a good copyeditor and most of my WP:FAs have been the beneficiaries of another concerned editor that has taken over the copyediting.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:44, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. That's a fair point; I wouldn't have removed the citations from the first paragraph of that diff, and I don't think TT should have either. I would, however, have removed the extended discussion of Blurred Lines (to talk) because it's about the song and video rather than Emily Ratajkowski, the subject of the article. IMO, this material belongs in the song's article. FA reviewers are adept at spotting coatracking (off-topic) text, and I think that's part of what they're saying in the review. That's my view anyway, though I'm not an FA reviewer. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:10, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
- Baffle gab1978, you can't leave content in the WP:LEAD and remove the cited detail about that topic in the body. That was my point with the second half of the content restoration. Ratajkowski has become a polarizing person, because many people who remember the song want to insist it is definitely a rape anthem and that there is no other artistic interpretation of the song. All I am running into at FAC is people who don't like the article because she is making professional headway off of a song they believe to be offensive. On top of that, people want to assume I am a conflict of interest editor because I expend a lot of energy on Ratajkowski related articles and media. Haters gonna hate.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
- True, but we can remove or summarise unnecessary details without falling foul of WP:Verify. I came here to defend the copy-editor you reverted, and to explain the reason I think their edit was justified. But "Haters gonna hate"? Really? I'm done here, good luck with your review. Peace out. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
- Baffle gab1978, "Haters gonna hate" was not directed at you or TT. I was talking about some of the reviewers at FAC3 and FAC4. Some people really hate the song that she rode to fame. Thus, we are getting some fanatical opposers who have alterior motives for content suggestions in this article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:27, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- True, but we can remove or summarise unnecessary details without falling foul of WP:Verify. I came here to defend the copy-editor you reverted, and to explain the reason I think their edit was justified. But "Haters gonna hate"? Really? I'm done here, good luck with your review. Peace out. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
- Baffle gab1978, you can't leave content in the WP:LEAD and remove the cited detail about that topic in the body. That was my point with the second half of the content restoration. Ratajkowski has become a polarizing person, because many people who remember the song want to insist it is definitely a rape anthem and that there is no other artistic interpretation of the song. All I am running into at FAC is people who don't like the article because she is making professional headway off of a song they believe to be offensive. On top of that, people want to assume I am a conflict of interest editor because I expend a lot of energy on Ratajkowski related articles and media. Haters gonna hate.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. That's a fair point; I wouldn't have removed the citations from the first paragraph of that diff, and I don't think TT should have either. I would, however, have removed the extended discussion of Blurred Lines (to talk) because it's about the song and video rather than Emily Ratajkowski, the subject of the article. IMO, this material belongs in the song's article. FA reviewers are adept at spotting coatracking (off-topic) text, and I think that's part of what they're saying in the review. That's my view anyway, though I'm not an FA reviewer. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:10, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
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I added back the Smokies and Daytona with appropriate citations. I'll see if I can find some for Iowa and Myrtle Beach later. Smartyllama (talk) 18:12, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
By the way, when you reverted my edits, you also reverted an edit I made fixing a broken image. I fixed it again. If for whatever reason you revert me again, make sure you don't rebreak the image. Smartyllama (talk) 18:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- Fixed the formatting. I normally use the semi-automated wikitools but they don't work on my office's version of Internet Explorer, and unfortunately I can't use any other browser here. I was planning to fix it when I got home, but I did it manually now. Smartyllama (talk) 20:24, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- Smartyllama, please fill in the date and author fields.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
- Done, though the Stadium Journey one didn't have a date that I could find. It's obviously sometime after they changed from the Cubs to the Tortugas, but I don't know when so I didn't fill that out. Smartyllama (talk) 23:38, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi. My edits to Jasmine Tookes that you reverted were made in good faith and a supporting inline citation was added for each fact. Could you explain why they constitute vandalism? Howkafkaesque (talk) 02:31, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- Howkafkaesque, I see nothing about her being the number 1 pitcher and such in the inline citation following the fact in your version of the article. What you hadded constitutes WP:OR. Please only add facts with WP:ICs from WP:RSs that enable the reader to WP:V the facts.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
- TonytheTiger, my mistake. I cited the wrong source & will correct the inline citation. Howkafkaesque (talk) 16:29, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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References
- ^ Politics, News (February 4, 2016). ""Барбаросса" Эрдогана: МО РФ обнаружило подготовку Турции к нападению на Сирию". Trud. Retrieved February 16, 2016.
{{cite news}}:|first=has generic name (help) - ^ материалы, Секретные (February 1, 2016). "СМИ: Турция сбила два американских военных вертолета в Сирии, 12 морпехов погибли". REN TV. Retrieved February 29, 2016.
- ^ Lockett, Vama (August 5, 2009). Re: DHS/OS/PRIV 09-502 (PDF) (Report). United States Department of Homeland Security. Retrieved February 26, 2009.
- ^ Division, FBI (April 7, 2009). Rightwing Extremism Report (PDF) (Report). Federation of American Scientists. Retrieved February 26, 2016.
- ^ Мардасов, Антон (January 22, 2016). "Турция в Сирии сбила морпехов США". Свободная пресса — Википедия. Retrieved February 19, 2016.
- ^ Politics, News (February 4, 2016). ""Барбаросса" Эрдогана: МО РФ обнаружило подготовку Турции к нападению на Сирию". Trud. Retrieved February 19, 2016.
{{cite news}}:|first=has generic name (help) - ^ Military, News (February 1, 2016). "Pentagon dementiert Berichte über Abschuss seiner Hubschrauber durch Türkei". Sputnik (news agency). Retrieved February 16, 2016.
{{cite news}}:|first=has generic name (help) - ^ Фоменко, Виктория (February 17, 2016). "Обстреливать курдов сейчас и всегда: Эрдоган выдвинул ультиматум США". Trud. Retrieved March 12, 2016.
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DYK for Gateway Tower (Chicago)
On 23 June 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gateway Tower (Chicago), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Gateway Tower is a proposed building for the lot that contains the 110 foot (34 m) wide, 76 foot (23 m) deep hole in the ground (pictured) from the abandoned Chicago Spire? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gateway Tower (Chicago). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Gateway Tower (Chicago)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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