User talk:Streona

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Crossbow

I can't find anything about a 10th century Norse crossbow and I can't find this book you use as a reference. Do you have some other sources as well? Haukur 20:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I found it on a website,which gave this book as its source,homepages.tesco/~tinyclanger/fitzgreyve/albini_equipment_crossbows-lockbow.htm or just google "skane lockbow". The battle of Hjorongavagr is also well known- as I am sure you know- and there may be information from accounts of this too

Streona 13:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That page doesn't mention the battle of Hjörungavágr. What's your source for that? Haukur —Preceding comment was added at 18:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chronology of the Crossbow from http/www.thebeckoning.com/medieval/crossbow/chronology This in turn cites W.F.Paterson "A guide to the Crossbow" Society of Antiquary Archers,1990- which is why I originally cited it on the stub, but has since been removed.Streona 21:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Lane End, Isle of Wight

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Little context in Hale Common

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Your Isle of Wight articles

Hi, thanks for the message you left me. You accidentally left it on my user page though, not my talk page! Easily done; I've made the same mistake myself in the past.

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Cunnan

Hi Streona, and thanks for the message. Looking at that site, they are definitely using the Wiki software, which is freely available for anyone who wants it. This availability, and frustration with Wikipedia's rules on what does/doesn't belong in an encyclopedia, has led to people setting up hundreds of independent Wikis, many of them hosted on the same server (Wikia) but all of them separate from Wikipedia (some of the best known are Wookieepedia (the Star Wars wiki) and the World of Warcraft Wiki). This means the Cunnan Wiki is completely unrelated to Wikipedia; it just happens to use the same software - it was very good of you to correct the articles there, and hopefully it's appreciated, but obviously we have no oversight there.

As far as content goes, all Wikipedia articles are freely available for anyone to do anything they want with, including copy/change/try to sell/whatever. The only real restrictions are that any derivative work must be released under a similar free license to Wikipedia, and we must be credited somewhere. If the Cunnan site has used Wikipedia articles, or portions of them, they must give attribution somewhere on the site (usually a mention on each page that "this site contains material from Wikipedia..." is sufficient). If not, we can follow this up further as they would be in breach of copyright. Stuff that you've added to their site is licensed under their rules, so that wouldn't be covered. However, I think your note was more concerned with accuracy than plagarism - as I said, we have no say in how they run their Wiki, but from your message it's easy to see why they'd want to host their own stuff rather than fight through Wikipedia policies on accuracy and verification to get it on here ;)

Hope this helps, EyeSerene^TALK 12:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with Conservapedia beyond what I've seen in various papers (the Guardian seems to love it!). You've shattered my illusions regarding Ann Widdecombe though - are you certain? Oh well... Merry Christmas to you too :) EyeSerene^TALK 19:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dinosaur

Why have you just removed all the interwiki links? Hut 8.5 17:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because my 9 year old son has got at my account. Sorry.

Streona (talk) 00:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I've seen worse... Hut 8.5 10:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Derek Beackon

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Pirates

Hello there, and welcome to Wikipedia. I don't know if "Frontal lobe damage would cause a lack of inhibition in speech and behaviour often associated with pirates." is meant as a joke, but that whole section is more appropriate for the general article on Pirates, than for International Talk Like a Pirate Day. It'd also be good if you could mention the source that you were drawing the information from, so that other editors could find out more about it. Thanks. --McGeddon (talk) 00:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you've got a source, that's great, but this whole section should definitely be moved to the pirates article (or possibly pirates in popular culture, which has a section about piratical speech). It's only about the international day in the sense of background information - it's really about pirates. --McGeddon (talk) 11:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edits

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I'm sorry

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I don't know if you noticed (I hope not), but I briefly blocked your account. It should be unblocked now; please try to edit the WP:Sandbox to see if you're unblocked. If there is a stray autoblock, please follow the directions on the autoblock notice, and someone will be by soon to help.

Explanation: you posted a reply on User talk:SineBot directly under a message from a known, serial vandal. Her style of writing is very distinctive. Since you posted "inside" her thread, so to speak, your edit summary had the title of her previous heading in it. I'm watching the page, saw that heading, and stupidly jumped to the conclusion that you had created the header. I just blocked out of reflex. When I went to see what else she had edited that I needed to revert, I noticed that everything looked, well, written by a rational human. Only then did I actually check the text of your message on SineBot's talk, and realize my mistake.

Hope you'll accept my apologies, and that this doesn't cause any complications in your editing. Sorry! --barneca (talk) 15:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Pondwell

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Your recent edit to Talk:Tom Clarke

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Please be careful

Hi, I don't want to sound uncivil as we all make mistakes, however please be careful when you undo revisions to try and prevent things like this from happening. Thanks and happy editing :) ~ Ameliorate _{U T C} @ 09:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have replied here. ~ Ameliorate _{U T C} @ 00:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fear

"Because History is not Racism, - in fact Anglo-Saxon, like Celticism is not necessarily a race, but a culture and fear of who?"

It's both culture and race, you cannot separate the two. This is why England's culture of late consists almost entirely of rising racial and religious antagonism, petty crime and unfortunate teenage pregnancies.

You're afraid of admitting any truths because you don't want to look unpopular or illiberal. If you admit the existence of races, that makes you racist; if you admit the differences between sexes, that makes you sexist; if you admit there are differences in intellect between people, that makes you elitist; and so on and so on. Transcend this pathetic crowd play.

You've swallowed the liberal lie that protecting ones kin over any others in any form is wrong. The Anglo-Saxons you revere were not yet so gullible. Zxcvbispass (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

REPLY

Whilst I am not prepared to go to zxcvbispass user page (which seems to have been especially created to edit the BNP article, especially as zxcvb occur together on the keyboard just as qwertyuiop does, so "sockpuppet" might be more appropriate) to have a discussion with these kind of people (in the words of Woody Allen in Annie Hall or Manhattan "We should attack them with satire and reasoning" "Yeah and take a few baseball bats to put our finer parts of logic across") -should he/she return to this page - this is the answer;

Recent DNA studies indicate that "English" people are descended from various roots, but mostly not Anglo-Saxon. Most appear to be from the stone age people who came after the Ice Age. The Anglo-Saxons do not appear to have wiped out the "Britons", mostly NOT Celts for the same reason, but to have interbred with them. The early Wessex kings had in some cases,very "British" or Welsh names such as Cerdic (which is the same as "Caractacus"), Caedwalla and English names such as "Aethelweah" ("noble foreigner") and Cenwalh ("bright foreigner"). The likelihood is that a small number of Anglo-Saxon men came over on boats and interbred with local women. Th Laws of Ine refer to differing wergilds for Britons as for Saxons. So from their inception the Anglo-Saxons were a mixed race. Alfred the Great was especially open to foreign ideas and sent an embassy to India and explorers to the Baltic. His whole strategy was based upon making piece between himself and the danes at the Peace of Wedmore. Early Archbishops of Canterbury - such as Theodore and Deodatus, were in fact Greek, and Athelstan's court in particular began our proud tradition - until destroyed by New Labour- of protecting refugees (such as Louis D'Outremer). The Early Church decreed that King Edwy's marriage to his foster-sister, Edgiva, was incestuous, due to being within (or in fact at) 9 degrees of consanguinity- which must have made miscegenation virtually compulsory. King Ethelred the Unready in 1002 committed the St. Bric's Day Massacre against "Danish" civilians- which would no doubt make him a hero to the BNP- but which got him precisely nowhere. I am, not necessarily proud of my ancestry, because it is something over which I have no control- but neither am I ashamed. I think Anglo-Saxon culture and language has given the World great cultural and scientific riches- not least the World Language of English and values such as stubborn resistance to fascism, tolerance, broad mindedness and all the things that make us Great that the BNP and their like so despise and would destroy. We have from our beginning been a mongrel race, our language a mongrel language and our culture a mongrel culture. Its called "hybrid vigour".

To Do

King's Quay DONE

Pubs of the Isle of Wight IOW Catholic Martyrs Rivers of the IOW- Palmers Brook Lukely Brook Deadmans Brook

Royal Navy ;Anglo Saxon Period.

Newtown (Ferguson Gang etc.)

Redirects

Regarding to your created page King's Quay Shore, you might want to read up on Redirects at Help:Redirect. I fixed it for you this time :-) So#Why ^{review me!} 14:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Dinosaur#Christianity

Your response at Talk:Dinosaur#Christianity was a beautiful combination of tact and scientific rigour. -- Philcha (talk) 09:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Wight

Hello! I know you've done a lot of work on Isle of Wight articles, and thought you'd be interested to know that I've just started Wikipedia:WikiProject Wight. I think there's a lot more that can be done with the island's articles, and this should help us all to work together consistently. I hope to see you there! --Peeky44 (talk) 11:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Redress (charitable organisation)

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AfD nomination of Redress (charitable organisation)

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Yeah, sorry, I realised you'd done that and added a comment to the AfD page clarifying that. The article is now at AfD, so you'll have to convince people there that the article should be kept, rather than me. J Milburn (talk) 13:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

If you're going to prevent the article from being deleted, you need to do more than just post on the talk page. The page is deleted or kept based on the discussion found at the AFD (Articles For Deletion, here). You must make your argument based on our policies, not on bare assertions; in this case the policy is articles for deletion, and the relevant guidelines are at notability for organizations - you should also review arguments to avoid.

The short version is - find press and other media that are independent of the organization, that mention it. Ideally that discuss it in detail. If The Times did an article, you're pretty golden, so long as it's not just a mere mention. Add them to the page, and point out on the AFD discussion that you have done so. One argument to avoid is "torture is really bad, and this organization is against torture, so it's really important". That's one that we see a lot. WLU (talk) 00:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Michal Morey

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Just to inform you, I have removed the CSD notice because I think it has been placed in error. You should expand the article with references and in-line citations because while CSD is unlikely imho, an AfD might be likely. You should be prepared for this to happen. So Why 17:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 2008

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BNP Councillors

Out of 55 councillors the BNP have lost a number due to expulsions and splits. These are

Simon Smith - expelled from the BNP due to supporting a different leadership candidate

Peter Pirnie- co-opted to Kingswear Parish Council, this co-option was rescinded due to his being a member of the BNP.

Colin Auty- expelled for standing against Griffin for leadership

Robin Evans

Maureen Stowe

Sadie Graham - expelled for "rebellion" against Griffin

Cllr Chris Beverley (Yorkshire Elections Officer, Leeds Organiser & Advisory Council Member)

Cllr Dave Brown (Broxtowe)

Cllr Nina Brown (East Mids Regional Secretary & Broxtowe Organiser)

Cllr Roger Robertson (South East Regional Organiser & Advisory Council Member) - co opted Hartney Witley in

Hampshire

Councillors

From their ranks of up to 55 councillors the BNP have lost a substantial proportion through resignations expulsions and splits. The BNP councillors have particular disadvantages which many other councillors do not have. Instances of various misdemeanours are closely watched by opponents and widely advertised- although all councillors will face scrutiny from opposing parties locally. When the first BNP councillor, Derek Beackon was elected in the Isle of Dogs, local council staff staged a mass walkout. He found himself isolated from officers and councillors, most of whom refused to speak to him at all, making it especially difficult to understand the workings of the council and impaired his effectiveness. Others have had similar experiences, which has often resulted in exceptionally poor attendance records and disillusionment. Some have been obstructed by official actions against them and been prevented from fulfilling their dutues by suspension or by bail conditions. However as the party increases its pool of experienced councillors this could be improved from their point of view, although the actions of existing councillors have not produced any positive role models as yet.

The internal party democracy of the BNP has been criticised by members for giving too much power to the Chairman and for not being widely available for the membership to consult. In 2007 a leadership challenge to Griffin by Colin Auty http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/dewsbury-news/Auty-quits-after-BNP-leadership.4455958.jp and previously by Colin Jackson resulted in resignations and expulsions of their supporters and 67 senior activists including many councillors resigning the whip after Councillor Nina Brown claimed that BNP Security had misled her into giving them the key to the home of fellow BNP councillor Sadie Graham in order to ransack it, searching for evidence of her support for Auty's leadership bid. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/dec/18/politics.thefarright

Others, such as Daniel Kelly in Barking & Dagenham or Angela Clarke in Keighley, have resigned due to "not understanding what was going on" . Some have been suspended from the council. Luke Smith (a Burnley councillor) was expelled for glassing another BNP reveller at the 2003 Red. White And Blue Festival and was banned from being a councillor by the Standards Board for England, following his being banned from football matches for hooliganism. (Luke Smith later hanged himself in 2008).

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/burnley/3559576.Disturbance_after_ex_B%20urnley_BNP_councillor_s_funeral/

Smith's uncle Simon Smith was himself suspended for the racialist content of his website, before leaving the BNP in support of Sadie Graham. He said of Luke Smith,(who was awaiting sentencing for beating up a barman before he hanged himself outside the pub).

“He was a lovely, lovely lad who, like a lot of people, was just too sensitive to exist in what is effectively an extremely cruel world." ^[1]

Terry Farr, a councillor in Epping, resigned to spend more time with his family after a suspension for writing abusive letters to Trevor Phillips

John Rowe, a Burnley councillor, has been excluded from meetings due to his bail conditions after setting off fire alarms. http://www.burnleyexpress.net/burnleynews/Police-eject-BNP-man-from.4463648.jp

Others have become disenchanted with the BNP itself. In September 2007, Robin Evans, a BNP councillor in Blackburn, walked out of the party, then wrote a letter to his former colleagues denouncing them as a party of drug-dealers and football hooligans. He remains a councillor, describing himself as a "national socialist". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1517025/Vote-BNP-and-youre-as-bad-as-they-are.html?mobile=true

Another Burnley councillor Maureen Stowe, resigned from the BNP in 2004 claiming that they had concealed their fascist nature from her.http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=856 http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/jun/14/localgovernment.politics

James Lloyd, a BNP councillor in Sandwell was suspended for not attending enough council meetings. www.expressandstar.com/2007/10/16/bnp-man-kicked-out/

As the BNP has yet to gain power in any locality, it has not yet had the opportunity to show its policies in action. However any policy explicitly based on treating ethnic minorities less favourably would have to comply with national legislation designed to prevent such policies, which would constrain the freedom of action of such a council.

Joanne Beverley,Malcolm Porter, John Ryde (Hugglescote), Graham Partner, Lewis Allsebrook 15

daniel kelly . bailey, Angela Clarke watkins

farr http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/1532030.breaking_news_bnp_councillor_resigns_from_district_council/ stowe http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/jun/14/localgovernment.politics graham http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/dec/18/politics.thefarright rowe http://www.burnleyexpress.net/burnleynews/Police-eject-BNP-man-from.4463648.jp

Robertson (South East Regional Organiser & Advisory Council Member) - co opted Hartney Witley in

Hampshire

Councillors

From their ranks of up to 55 councillors the BNP have lost a substantial proportion through resignations expulsions and splits. The BNP councillors have particular disadvantages which many other councillors do not have. Instances of various misdemeanours are closely watched by opponents and widely advertised- although all councillors will face scrutiny from opposing parties locally. When the first BNP councillor, Derek Beackon was elected in the Isle of Dogs, local council staff staged a mass walkout. He found himself isolated from officers and councillors, most of whom refused to speak to him at all, making it especially difficult to understand the workings of the council and impaired his effectiveness. Others have had similar experiences, which has often resulted in exceptionally poor attendance records and disillusionment. Some have been obstructed by official actions against them and been prevented from fulfilling their dutues by suspension or by bail conditions. However as the party increases its pool of experienced councillors this could be improved from their point of view, although the actions of existing councillors have not produced any positive role models as yet.

The internal party democracy of the BNP has been criticised by members for giving too much power to the Chairman and for not being widely available for the membership to consult. In 2007 a leadership challenge to Griffin by Colin Auty ^[2] and previously by Colin Jackson resulted in resignations and expulsions of their supporters and 67 senior activists including many councillors resigning the whip after Councillor Nina Brown claimed that BNP Security had misled her into giving them the key to the home of fellow BNP councillor Sadie Graham in order to ransack it, searching for evidence of her support for Auty's leadership bid. ^[3]

Others, such as Daniel Kelly in Barking & Dagenham or Angela Clarke in Keighley, have resigned due to "not understanding what was going on" . Some have been suspended from the council. Luke Smith (a Burnley councillor) was expelled for glassing another BNP reveller at the 2003 Red. White And Blue Festival and was banned from being a councillor by the Standards Board for England, following his being banned from football matches for hooliganism. (Luke Smith later hanged himself in 2008).

^[4]

Smith's uncle Simon Smith was himself suspended for the racialist content of his website, before leaving the BNP in support of Sadie Graham. He said of Luke Smith,(who was awaiting sentencing for beating up a barman before he hanged himself outside the pub).

“He was a lovely, lovely lad who, like a lot of people, was just too sensitive to exist in what is effectively an extremely cruel world." ^[5]

Terry Farr, a councillor in Epping, resigned to spend more time with his family after a suspension for writing abusive letters to Trevor Phillips

John Rowe, a Burnley councillor, has been excluded from meetings due to his bail conditions after setting off fire alarms. ^[6] James Lloyd, a BNP councillor in Sandwell was suspended for not attending enough council meetings. He attributed this to business difficulties following the closure of his pub, a favourite with BNP activists due to his non cooperation with police investigations into repeated violent incidents. ^[7] Others have become disenchanted with the BNP itself. In September 2007, Robin Evans, a BNP councillor in Blackburn, walked out of the party, then wrote a letter to his former colleagues denouncing them as a party of drug-dealers and football hooligans. He remains a councillor, describing himself as a "national socialist". ^[8]

Another Burnley councillor Maureen Stowe, resigned from the BNP in 2004 claiming that they had concealed their fascist nature from her. ^[9] ^[10] Answering these charges, BNP loyalists have suggested that she is a "witch" (although this was unsubstantiated). As the BNP has yet to gain power in any locality, it has not yet had the opportunity to show its policies in action. However any policy explicitly based on treating ethnic minorities less favourably would have to comply with national legislation designed to prevent such policies, which would constrain the freedom of action of such a council.

Footnote problems

Hi Streona. I've responded to your request on my talk. Cheers, Olaf Davis | TalkP08:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Completed at Paul Rosenberg (murder)

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A reference for your Mr. 10% remark. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E2D61E30F93AA35752C0A96E958260 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_president10_percent http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-09-04-pakistan_N.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 903M (talk • contribs) 05:02, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BNP Difficulties with Employment

The BNP has a track record of thrying to suppress manifestations of Islam. It does not mention this specifically in its manifesto, but it endoeses a book by one of its members entitled "Jihad- Islam's 13oo year war against the West" the final chapter of which propese the "hard choices" to be made to save Western Christian Civilsation. Unfortunately I am not privy to precisely what that might be, but I think we know who it will be hard for. Fellow European fascists- such as the Danish People's Party- advocate a total ban on Islam altoopgether. Links for BNP attempts to ban Islamic expression-

http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/08/bnp-exclusive-government-grovelling-to-muslims-opens-school-doors-to-extremists/ - 103k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/03/will-it-take-an-act-of-terrorist-barbarity-before-this-government-bans-the-wearing-of-the-burka-in-public/

http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/news/BNP-leader-s-comment-church-despicable/article-303488-detail/article.html

http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/.../bnp’s-richard-barnbrook-to-speak-at-international-anti-islamification-rally-today-in-german... - 123k

http://www.tuc.org.uk/ctfr/action_by_emp_and_TU.pdf kevin scott b&q http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1989997.stm

Simone Clarke is a principal ballerina at the English National Ballet and a deputy for the entertainer's union Equity. Her membership of the BNP was unknown until exposed by an undercover Guardian journalist in 2006. Her performances were picketted by anti-fascists demanding her sacking. However the ENB refused to do so, as she had done nothing else to warrant this. She was supported by her union Equity. ^[11]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/pr_machine/default.stm

Potter v PS

17. This argument, it should be pointed out, is not on all fours with Redfearn. Redfearn establishes that it is not direct discrimination on grounds of race to discriminate against somebody because they are a BNP member. Here discrimination arises from the different treatment that is afforded to white racist organisations as opposed to members of racist organisations which are non-white. Mr Barnes relies strongly on the observations of Lord Steyn, to which I have made reference, and submits that it would be wrong in this case to shut out the Claimant at this stage without giving him an opportunity to marshal such evidence as he has to make good his allegation.

http://www.ier.org.uk/system/files/ASLEF+v+UK+final+for+website+corr+by+jh1.pdf hendy on aslef redfearn

http://www.practicallaw.com/jsp/binaryContent.jsp?item=:34774387 pramjit sadra tom hawke clive potter harrington clarke adam walker, mark walker

First Sikh joins Solidarity 20/04/07 Opponents of the Independent Trade Union Solidairit have falsely claimed that it was 'racist'. This is despite the fact that their very Constitution makes it clear that it is open to all regardless of political opinion, ethnicity or faith. The Union (supported by Third Way) stands for freedom and for the rights of all British Workers. This month they welcomed thier first Sikh member. Pramjit Sadra explained his reasons for joining Solidarity:- "I have been aware of the shift of work away from ordinary British people which I feel undermines our communities. The shift toward cheap migrant workers and off-shoring, if allowed to continue will totally change this Nation. The effects have already been felt by many in the UK losing work to cheaper labour or suppressing wages, which does not just affect one individual but their immediate family and children, extended family and the communities they have long been part of.

We are at best an overcrowded Nation that cannot sustain the influx of many Nationalities without the infrastructure to employ, house and integrate into our communities. Furthermore there is no recognition of the impact of importing cultures, including those with a violent/aggressive way of life, upon settled communities."

Let's hope that Pramjit is the first of many and that Solidarity grows both in strength and diversity of support.

third way website nakkeeran arasaratnam

BNP members have suffered various difficulties in employment.

lobbied for BNP members to be dismissed. In the case of ASLEF v. United Kingdom the European Court of Human Rights overturned an employment appeal tribunal finding, awarding a BNP train driver damages for expulsion. It found that the union were entitled to do so, and that this was not a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights.

In the case of Baggs v. Fudge (2005)UKET, Robert Baggs, represented by he BNP legal officer, Lee Barnes, claimed that he had been discriminated against on the grounds of "religion, or similar philosophical belief" (contrary to the Employment (Religious Discrimination) Regulations 2003, when applying for a job at a G.P. surgery. The Employment Tribunal found that membership of the BNP was not a "similar" belief, and the case was rejected.

Advice from Stuart Chamberlain of Gee Consult, management consultants has been that a similar case might be successful since the removal of the qualification "similar" from philosophical belief by an amendment in 2007. -"Cases concerning claims made by British National Party’s (BNP) members that their fascist beliefs were similar to religious beliefs have previously been decided in favour of the employer or potential employer. However, under the new law, a strong argument could be made to the contrary." ^[12]

However, this has not been tested and there is a clause in the regulations which provide that the beliefs of employees may be required to be in line with the "ethos" of the organisation.

Mr.Redfearn was a bus driver whose BNP membership was unknown to his employers, Serco, until he was elected as a councillor. He was sacked as the employers were concerned that he might endanger their contract with a local authotity to transport vulnerable people from a day centre of various ethnicities. The decision in Redfearn v.Serco (2006 CA) is summarised thus; "where an employee who is a member of a racist group (in this case the BNP political party) is dismissed because of the danger that his continuing employment might lead to violence in the workplace, the dismissal can properly be regarded as being for legitimate health and safety reasons and will not be unlawful race discrimination." ^[13]

Organisations which ban BNP membership

Police ; Membership of the BNP, C18 and the National Front was specifically by David Blunkett, following an undercover TV exposure of racism in a police training centre. Despite this Simon Darby has claimed that the BNP still has members who remain covert. Police authorities have taken this very seriously and Manchester Police Authority have viewed footage taken at BNP events in order to identify off-duty officers in attendance at a BNP St.George's Day rally, wearing BNP badges and T-shirts, with the slogan "Love Britain or Fuck Off". ^[14] A retired police officer, standing as a European Assembly candidate, Inspector Phazey, has said that he was a member in defiance of the prohibition and that other serving officers remained members. He denied that he was a racist or that the police were institutionally racist, saying;

"Of course you heard words like paki and nigger, but it didn't mean much more than someone saying paddy for an Irishman or jerry for a German. It was just the language of working-class blokes. There was a fair bit of leg-pulling but it was never malicious. I remember there was one officer who, whenever an Asian officer came into the room, would go, 'Coon, coon,' like he was making the noise of a pigeon. But it was a joke. It's like saying paddies are as thick as two short planks or jocks are tight-fisted. It was just jokes in the canteen. You'll get that anywhere when you have men in their 20s and 30s together." ^[15] A Police Community Support Officer, Ellis Hammond, was found to be a BNP member after he was discovered stockpiling weapons at his home, including tazers,^[16]

Armed Forces ; Since the Second World War, servicemen and women have been banned from membership of organisations designated as "Communist or Fascist" and this includes the BNP. ^[17]

Prison Service ;

A ban on BNP membership was imposed by Martin Narey, Director of the Prison Service in 2002. Narey told the BBC that he received hate mail and a death threat as a result. ^[18]

Other Professions;

Bans on BNP membership in the probation service and the civil services have been under consideration. ^[19] ^[20] A proposal to ban the BNP from Dorset Fire Brigade, proposed by the management and the Fire Brigades Union, was turned down by the Fire Authority.^[21] The chairman of the BNP linked trade union "Solidarity", Adam Walker was sacked by his college for accessing BNP websites and posting comments. He has been summoned to a hearing of the general Teaching Council, with a view to preventing him from working as a teacher in the United Kingdom.^[22] His brother, Mark Adams has also been sacked, from another college, specifically for BNP membership.^[23] Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).. Both appear to have an otherwise unblemished record.^[24]

A sociology student, Liam Birch, standing as a BNP council candidate for Southway was sacked as assistant warden at Plymouth University, when his BNP membership was known via an internet blog concerning the Holocaust, saying "The Jews declared war on Germany, not the other way round". ^[25]

Police

Police officers have been forbidden to be members of the BNP since the exposure of racism in police training centres in 2004. Ellis Hammond Phazey www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/jul/28/race.ukcrime

Armed Forces

Members of the Armed Forces have been forbidden mumbership of Communist or Fascist organisations since...

Prison Service A ban on BNP membership was imposed by Martin Narey, Director of the Prisi=on Service in 2002. Student in Plymouth ;liam birch sociology student Source: http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=141529&command=displayContent&sourceNode=141513&contentPK=14629543&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch

The national spokesman for the BNP, Dr Phill Edwards, yesterday cast doubt on whether the Internet blogs could be linked to Mr Birch. He said: "The blogs appear to be a debate about historical matters which have no relevance to the political campaigning currently being sucessfully undertaken by the BNP. "Neither do the blogs show 'Nazi sympathies' but are part of a debate. As far as Plymouth University is concerned, by taking away his wardenship they are breaking their traditional role of allowing freedom of political association, political debate and instead have adopted a totalitarian stance. Liam tells me that on matters of 'Holocaust denial', like the rest of us, he must accept it as a fundamental truth or face arrest and prosecution by the EU police Europol." He added: "Liam is not anti-semitic and his girlfriend is half Jewish."

BNP member covertly poses as policeman - Times Online - 12:469 Mar 2008 ... The BNP membership ban is creeping into other areas of employment and is ,without doubt ,another attempt by the political establishment to ... www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3512152.ece - Similar pages - Note this

BBC NEWS | Politics | Civil service BNP ban considered - 14:0019 Sep 2004 ... The Home Office is considering whether to ban BNP members from working in the civil service. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3669836.stm - 31k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Teachers call for ban on BNP members in class | Education ...Teachers have called on the education secretary, Alan Johnson, to ban members of the far right BNP from working in schools. www.guardian.co.uk/education/2006/jul/17/schools.uk1 - 75k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this BNP member may be struck off teaching register | Politics | The ...19 Sep 2008 ... A teacher and prominent British National party member could be struck from .... Jul 17 2006. Teachers call for ban on BNP members in class ... www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/sep/19/bnp.schools - Similar pages - Note this Diversity / Equal opportunities - European court upholds Aslef ...European court upholds Aslef union's right to ban BNP from membership. 21 March 2007 09:48. The European Court of Human Rights has upheld the right of trade ... www.personneltoday.com/articles/.../european-court-upholds-aslef-unions-right-to-ban-bnp-from-membership.html - 39k -

£5000 for BNP member expelled by train union - Times Online - 13:37The ban on BNP membership for prison officers was imposed in 2002 by Martin Narey, then director general of the prison service. ... www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article491799.ece - Similar pages - Note this More results from www.timesonline.co.uk »

TEACHING Defending the BNP - 14:0419 Sep 2008 ... He’s a BNP member and a teacher. It certainly seems like they’re trying to ban him from being a teacher because he’s a BNP member. ... timworstall.com/2008/09/19/defending-the-bnp/ - 41k -

Members of far-right groups may face teaching ban - Education News ... - 14:08Members of far-right groups may face teaching ban ... A spokesman for the BNP said the party did have teacher and lecturer members and they were trying to ... www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education.../members-of-farright-groups-may-face-teaching-ban-491225.ht... - 56k -

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Search Results[PDF] DORSET FIRE AUTHORITY FAILS TO BACK CFO ON BNP BAN - 14:10File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat But Authority members rejected a. recommendation to ban the BNP,. paving the way for racists to join. up. Martin Chapman told the. Authority that: ... www.fbu.org.uk/newspress/ebulletin/pdf/75.pdf - Similar pages - Note this

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Teachers call for ban on BNP members in class | Education ...Teachers have called on the education secretary, Alan Johnson, to ban members of the far right BNP from working in schools. www.guardian.co.uk/education/2006/jul/17/schools.uk1 - 75k -

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^ http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/dewsbury-news/Auty-quits-after-BNP-leadership.4455958.jp
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RE: BNP Offensive vandalism

Thanks for that. Fact is, I've been away from Wikipedia for most of the last two months and have hardly shown my face. Got back to find this on my talk page:

"You are a self centred sanctimonious son orf a bitch, who will not allow any edit that disagrees with your own narrow minded point of view on any page at all. You are the worst person I have ever encountered and brand other users as racist or fascist, without any form of proof or evidence. You fail under all ciscumstances to recognise that somebody could be right other than you. You rely on being over the top, heavy handed and rude. You never focus soley on thesubstance of the discussion, you instead revert to cheap point scoring and will attack users, violate rules on biographies of living people and allways push your POV and ram it down other users throats. You should have been banned a long long time ago and have had all access to giving an opinion removed. I hope that one day you learn that you cannot get away with antagonising other users and get your comuppance in a big way."

That came from [[1]], and is their ONLY contribution to Wikpedia (though I suspect I may know who it is). Like you say, probably best to take it as a compliment. Emeraude (talk) 19:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't you think the man/woman who typed that may have a point? I mean if you are really honest about it? 81.156.39.59 (talk) 20:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Better spelling than usual. Patrick Harrington, maybe?--Streona (talk) 22:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re ASLEF case, the Court's judgement merely says "The applicant was represented by Thompsons, solicitors practising in London". The full text is here. The applicant, of course, was ASLEF. I very much doubt that Lee would have been represented in the Court, it being a case between the union and the UK government. Emeraude (talk) 09:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately that edit pretty much sums up my attitude towards you. Independent assessment has found the BNP article to be biased against them, and ytou continue to make it even more biased. Alleging that an old man who once fought to save your country has Alzheimer's simply because he now holds a view you disagree with is nothing short of appalling, as was the assertion that the BNP would have been on Hitler's side during World War 2. I'm no BNP cheerleader and can't defend the more extreme aspects of their views, but let's try to make a balanced article. If you're as strongly openly anti-something as you state, maybe not contributing to the BNP page would be a better move for everybody.--MartinUK (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redfearn

I could not find an online copy of the Court of Appeal judgement of Lord Justice Mummery Redfearn V. Serco (2006) IRLR 623, but it is quoted in a briefing paper by John Hendy QC and Michael Ford on ASLEF v. United Kingdom thus

"... the dismissal of Mr.Redfearn was not on racial grounds but because the former employer...wished to avoid the perceived deterimental effects of Mr.Redfearn's membership of, and election to office representing thje BNP, which propagated racially discriminatory policies concerning non-white races who form part of (the employer's)workforce and customer base..." This is the definition of racism, so in reply to h2g2Bob's request for a source from higher up the legal hierarchy than a tribunal - here it is. Barnes (one of the 3 members of the "ethnic laison committee" of which onlt Rustem can claim to be "ethnic"- the other being Colin Smith)self desribed the BNP as whites only. I cannot say that Barnes self- described them as racist, but Mummery LJ in his judgement holds that they are. http://www.ier.org.uk/system/files/ASLEF+v+UK+final+for+website+corr+by+jh1.pdf

Also of note from Hendy's article was a quote from British Nationalist 2003 encouraging BNP members to try to join trade unions in order to get thrown out and claim "five figure damages" and to get on the "gravy-train" before the "lefties" got too scared to expel them. This was used by Hendy in the ASLEF case.--Streona (talk) 17:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History of Royal Navy and their first submarines built by 1901.

Hey Man... I feel that you are completely legit with your "editorial-like" commentary. This account should most certainly be reverted to your last version. "Parsecboy" has removed some very valid and factual information and it should be put right by reverting back to your last version. It is accurate and unbiased and should be included as such --Middim13 (talk) 20:05, 15 October 2008 (UTC)208.39.172.53 (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chakrabarti

WP:ANI is probably the way to go. David Underdown (talk) 16:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

April 2009

Please do not use talk pages such as Shami Chakrabarti for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article. They are not to be used as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See here for more information. Thank you. Nja²⁴⁷ 10:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info. The discussion on the talk page has been removed per the noted policy. Further the ip account you reference has received a block for abuse. Nja²⁴⁷ 11:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disruption

It would be possible to protect your user page from being edited by IP users. Based on the level of disruption I'd be prepared to do this for one month if you would like. Nja²⁴⁷ 14:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1066

Hello! I just dropped in to answer your last question on the BNP talkpage. That would have to be either October or December, I guess. See ya! Iago 2¹² 13:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cardell Goodman

Cardell (or "Cardonnel") Goodman, known as "Scum" from his University days, was the son of a clergyman also called Cardell Goodman. He was born in.. At the age of three he moved to the Isle of Wight where his father became Vicar of Freshwater,succeeding the father of Robert Hooke. Cardell attended Trinity College Cambridge, obtaining the nickname "Scum" but was sent down for slashing a portrait of the College's Chancellor, the Duke of Monmouth. He made his living an actor until killing a fellow actor with whom he shared a shirt in a dispute over whose turn it was to wear it. Scum then became the lover of the Duchess of Cleveland (or one of them) and attempted to displace her sons as her heir by attempting to poison them. On bering discovered he left for a new career as a highwayman. he was subsequently caught but was pardoned by James II. He repaid the favour by becoming involved in Jacobite plots to restore James -The Assassination Plot of 1695/6 and the Fenwick Plot, to assassinate William III. Sir John Fenwick's wife paid Goodman and his friend Porter not to goive evidence against him in his treason trial. Porter took the money and left the country. Goodman took the money but still gave evidence. However without two witnesses Fenwick was not convicted. Nonetheless a law was passed by Act of Attainder declaring him guilty and he was executed. Goodman fled to Paris where he was supported by English exiles until his death.

Nick Griffin

I reverted your recent edit about immigrants on boats, for two reasons. I'd considered adding the material myself but do not consider the story to have 'played out' yet sufficiently enough to make a worthwhile addition, and secondly because the article is presently at WP:GAN and your reference formatting was inconsistent with that used in the rest of the article.

I don't object to his comments being added, just...not yet. I think it worth waiting a day or two longer, for the story to mature a little, before adding it. What do you think? Parrot of Doom (talk) 13:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I think its notable enough to go in, but bearing in mind that Griffin quickly corrected the interviewer and said he wanted to sink the boats, not drown their occupants, I thought it might be a story that could benefit from a pause for thought - who knows, it may snowball into something else.

Grub Street is still very much a work in progress. I'm undecided yet whether to concentrate on the geographical aspects, or the use of the term as a description of hacks etc. Parrot of Doom (talk) 13:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Its been my aim since starting work on the article to present as unbiased a piece as I can. When I first encountered it, it was a mess. Personally I can't stand the man. Parrot of Doom (talk) 14:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS I just noticed the edit summary listed your contribution as vandalism - I just wanted to apologise for that, it of course wasn't vandalism. Wrong button. Parrot of Doom (talk) 10:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Dear Streona: Please provide a reference to your last edit in Tunicate. Thank you! --Againme (talk) 20:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. I'm glad your child is into science! Thanks. Againme (talk) 14:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incredibly biased

It would be best that you stay away from the BNP article indefinitely due to your seemingly-impossible ability to remain neutral on the subject. DeclaraApollo (talk) 16:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whites Only

The Equality and Human Rights Commission took an action against the BNP regarding provisions in its constitution to limit eligibilty for membership to "whites only", defined as members of the Anglo-Saxon and Celtic "Folk Communities". The original hearing before Judge Paul Collins in the Central London County Court on 2 September 2009 was adjourned due to the BNP failure to instruct counsel, resulting in the BNP being required to pay eighty thousand pounds in costs. BNP representatives claimed that among the intentions of the EHRC was to bankrupt the party by legal costs. Griffin then circulated membership to explain that that they would be conceding the case since it could cost upto a million pounds to take it to the House of Lords. On 15 October 2009 the BNP agreed before Judge Collins to suspend further membership applications until an Extraordinary General Meeting in January 2010 confirming the changes to the constitution to comply with legal requirements. The case has been further adjourned until 28 January 2010 in ored to ensure compliance.

[2]

I'm not sure I understood what you meant by this... Does that effectively mean you support this edit, or did I read you wrong? Please clarify on talk page, thanks. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 13:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michal Morey article

Hi, Streona. I was directed to your fascinating article by an Australian Morey with several generations of Isle-of-Wight family history. I've also visited the island recently myself, and used one of my photos in an update of the Quarr Abbey article. While copy-editing (which I hope you'll check over), I found that the Michal Morey piece was surprisingly lacking in authoritative inline sources , though there must be plenty of book references in libraries. The website refs are interesting but not 'official' or historiographically 'reliable' enough for Wikipedia. Do you have the book For Rooks and Ravens? That looks to be the best one referred to in the article. It would be very helpful to have a few inline references to the book instead of only websites, don't you think? Also, if you go over there from time to time, it would be good to have a photo in there, say, of the mound, or the gibbet, or the pub. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 15:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kirk Douglas discussion post.

Youv'e left a question on the Kirk Douglas discussion page which must be a joke but if it's not then he needed to earn the money to buy food in the first place, and used what he made in profit to feed himself.92.2.98.165 (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Pubs of the Isle of Wight,

Pubs on the Isle of Wight

Traditionally most pubs were tied houses and the main local brewery was Mews at Newport and to a lesser extent Burts Ventnor Brewery. Mews was taken over by Strongs, which was latwer taken over by Whitbread. There are many pubs now gone, including the one in Newport where Charles I signed the Treaty of Newport 0f 1648.

Bembridge

Ye Olde Village Inn

The Pilot Boat

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Culver Haven

The Propellor (Bembridge Airport)

Brading

The Bugle

The Red Lion

The Wheatsheaf

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Cowes

The White Hart

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The Painter's Arms

Freshwater

The High Down Inn

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Newport

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The Castle

St Crispins

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Ryde

The Simeon Arms

The King Lud

The Marine Bars

The Anglesey Tavern

The Castle

Sandown

The Old Comical

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Scruffy Jack's (on the Pier)

The Driftwood Bar

The Castle

Shanklin

The Falcon

The Crab

Ventnor

The Spyglass

The Crab & Lobster

Yarmouth

The George

The Colwell Bay

Country & Village Pubs

The Fighting Cocks Apse Heath

The White Lion Arreton

The Buddle Inn Blackgang

The Three Bishops Brighstone

The Sun Inn Calbourne

The Wight Mouse Chale

The Griffin Godshill

The Taverners Godshill

The Pointer Newchurch

The Crown Shorwell

The Chequers Rookley

The Hare & Hounds (Downend)

The White Horse Niton

The Horse & Groom Ningwood

The Sportsmans Rest(Porchfield)

The Battery Puckpool

The Folly Inn (River Medina)

The Albion Hotel, Freshwater Bay 01983 755755

The Battery Hotel, Springvale Road, Puckpool, 01983 612188 The Blacksmiths Arms, Calbourne Road, Newport, 01983 529263 The Blenheim, 9 High Street, Ventnor, 01983 853633 The Bonchurch Inn, Bonchurch Shute, Bonchurch, 01983 852611 The Broadway Inn, The Broadway, Totland Bay, 01983 752453 The Bugle Hotel, The Square, Yarmouth, 01983 760272 The Bugle Inn, High Steet, Brading, 01983 407359

The Captain's Cabin, Colwell Bay, 01983 753324 The Cask & Taverners, High Street, Godshill 01983 840707The Cedars Inn, 2 Station Road, Wootton Bridge, 01983 882593 The Central Tap Hotel, High Street, Ventnor, 01983 852473 The Chequers Inn, Niton Road, Rookley, 01983 840314 The Colwell Bay Inn, Colwell Road, Freshwater, 01983 752271 The Countryman, Limerstone Road, Brighstone, 01983 740616 The Crab & Lobster Tap, Grove Road, Ventnor XXXXXXX

The Eight Bells Inn, 31 High Street, Carisbrooke, 01983 825501

The Fat Cat, Sandpipers Hotel, Coastguard Lane, Freshwater Bay 01983 758500 The Fighting Cocks, Hale Common, Arreton, 01983 865254 The Fishbourne Inn, 111 Fishbourne Lane, Fishbourne, 01983 882823

The Highdown Inn, Highdown Lane, Totland, The Horse & Groom, Main Road, Ningwood, 01983 760672

The Kings Head, Quay Street, Yarmouth, 01983 760351

The Mill Bay Hotel, Esplanade, Ventnor, 01983 852892

The New Inn, Shalfleet, 01983 531314

The Old Fort, The Esplanade, Seaview, 01983 612163 The Old Stag Inn, 2 Cowes Road, Newport, 01983 522709

The Pilot Boat Inn, Station Road, Bembridge, 01983 872077 The Pointer Inn, High Street, Newchurch, 01983 865202 The Prince of Wales, Princes Road, Freshwater, 01983 753535 The Propeller Inn, Bembridge Airport, Bembridge, 01983 873611

The Red Lion Inn, Church Place, Freshwater, 01983 754925 The Roadside Inn, Nettlestone Green, Nettlestone, 01983 616969 The Royal Standard Hotel, 15 School Green Road, Freshwater, 01983 753227

The St Lawrence Inn, St Lawrence, 01983 ...... The Seaview Hotel, High Street, Seaview, 01983 612711 The Sloop Inn, Wootton Bridge, 01983 882544 The Sportsmans Rest, Main Road, Porchfield, 01983 522044 The Spyglass Inn, Esplanade, Ventnor, 01983 855338 or 852775 The Sun Inn, Sun Hill, Calbourne, 01983 521321 The Sun Inn, Hulverstone, 01983 741124

The Terminus, 1 Mitchell Avenue, Ventnor, 01983 856348 The Three Bishops, Main Road, Brighstone, 01983 740226 The Travellers Joy, 89 Pallance Road, Cowes, 01983 298024

The Village Inn, Bembridge, 01983 ...... The Vine Inn, Avenue Road, Freshwater, 01983 752959 The Volunteer Inn, 30 Victoria Street, Ventnor, 01983 852537

The Waterfront, The Promenade, Totland Bay, 01983 756969 The Waverley Hotel, 2 Clatterford Road, Carisbrooke, 01983 522338 The Wheatsheaf Inn, Bridge Road, Yarmouth, 01983 760456 The White Horse Inn, High Street, Whitwell, 01983 825501 The White Lion Inn, High Street, Niton, 01983 730293 The Windmill Inn, Bembridge, 01983 ...... The Winter Gardens & Bell Bar, Pier Road, Ventnor, 01983 855215 The Wishing Well, Pondwell Hill, Ryde, 01983 613222 The Woodmans Arms, 119 Station Road, Wootton Bridge, 01983 882785 The Worsley Arms, High Street, Wroxall, 01983 853144

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