Talk:Valentine Greatrakes
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[edit]I have added some info regarding the power of healing. There have been many 'natural born healers' in the history of mankind. Magnetism has been said being the main attribute of these blessed people. CHITRANI-08 jAN/06-21.12 (GMT+1)
- This user clearly had no grasp of what is considered appropriate content on Wikipedia. I've removed his entire mini-essay -- which should have been done long ago. Cgingold 23:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Not factual
[edit]You can't say he had healing powers. Anything supporting the view that it's possible to heal people mysitcally does not belong on Wikipedia as it has no factual evidence.
This is absolute rubbish, and completely ahistorical.
- Be that as it may, Lots of people believe in faith healing, and Wikipedia is not a place to say that they are wrong. --Guthrie 22:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Birthplace
[edit]I do not think he was born in Affane but had an estate there. I have a reference to say he was born in Devon at Stoke Gabriel in a letter by Herbert Phaire
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Streona (talk • contribs) 15:26, 17 May 2010
Text taken form the source mentioned above
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VALENTINE CREATRAKS. Extracts of Letters from Mr. Herbert ander Phairc, of St. John's, near Enniseorthy in the County of Wexford, in Ireland, relating to Mr. Greatraks,[1] the famous Irish Stroker.—From the Originals in the British Museum. February 29, 1743/4[see Old Style and New Style dates] MR. Valentine Greatraks was born at Stoke Gabriei,in Devonshire, where he had an estate, which he fold, and then lived and died at his estate of Afftne, within a mile of Ctppoqueen, in the county of Waterfoid. He was the eldest son, and educated at Oxford. There is some account of him in A. Wocd's Athtnæ Oxon. He was a lieutenant of horse (I think) in Ludlow't Troop, He was a man of great parts, and strictly virtuous. He married the sister of Sir William Godolphin, who was King Charles the Second's Ambassador at Madrid. He had but two childien, both sons. The eldest, William, married Col. Wheeler's daughter, in the Queen's County, and died soon after. The second, Edmund (after Sir Edmundbury Godfrey) married the daughter of a glassman in Bistol, and died soon after. There is one of the name, a distant relation, that now lives at Affane, where Mr. Gieairaks one night dreamed thrice, that he had virtue in his hands; and next morning seeing a man fail down as dead with the epilepsy, he stroaked, and recovered him instantly. This was his first patient. He grew so famous that his court was filled with diseased every morning, which he always spent in their favour. Wherever he went, a great throng attended him, most of whom he cured; but he would never touch any that looked venereal, saying, he took that to be a just judgment for their sins. All disorders were not obedient to his touch, but he failed in few. My father, who had the least implicit faith of any man, had a violent fever, and Mr. Greatraks turned it away in two minutes. He had, at another time, a terrible ague, which, when the fit struck him, Mr. Greatraks cured in a minute or two, by holding him by the wrists ; and he never had a fit after. Mr. Greatraks also cured a sister of mine of the king's evil, by stroaking. March 1743/4 March 10, 173/4) |
--PBS (talk) 21:15, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- With reference to the comment in the letters "He married the sister of Sir William Godolphin" The father of Sir William Godolphin (1635–1696) was William Godolphin(1605–1663) --not very imaginative family when it came to Christian names-- lead me to a new reliable source that says Greatrakes married one of his daughters:
- Elmer, Peter (2013), The Miraculous Conformist: Valentine Greatrakes, the Body Politic, and the Politics of Healing in Restoration Britain (illustrated ed.), Oxford University Press, p. 63, ISBN 9780199663965
- -PBS (talk) 14:49, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
As to where he was born one of the letters states "MR. Valentine Greatraks was born at Stoke Gabriei, in Devonshire" Elmer 2013, p. 17 states that he was born in New Affane, County Waterford, Munster (Ireland) to a Protestant settler family. -- PBS (talk) 16:54, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
References
- ^ See the following pamphlets published respecting this extraordinary man :—Greataricic (Valenc.) Account of his strange Cures, London, 1666, 4to. Wonders no Miracles; or, an Emination of Grcararick's Cures, London, 1666, 4to. "Enthusiafmus Triumphatus, written by Philophilus Parresiastes, with the Observations and Reply of Alazonotnastix, London, 1656, 8vo. Monthly Mag. No. 100.
Expanded with old PD text
[edit]I have expanded the article using the PD text in:
- Urban, ed. (1779). The Gentleman's Magazine, and Historical Chronicle. Vol. 49. E. Cave. pp. 22–23.
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However this text was published in 1779 and will need checking and modifying against modern texts. I have cited one for his death (it was previously in external links) and the rest of the text needs checking against sources such as this:
- Frahe, Willie (26 July 2001). "Valentine Greatrakes - 'The Stroker'". Waterford County Museum.
I will leave that task to someone else
-- PBS (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
death year
[edit]This article says 1682 while wikidata says 1683. One must be wrong. MB 19:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)