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Thank you for creating Yanchep Secondary College.

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Thank you for this new article. I recommend a new map for the infobox, as a map of half the while country is overkill when the article describes the school's location in the Perth area.

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weather ?

Let's hope there is something else that can be added, please note that WP:OR can be considered in relation to your comments about weather if you haven't given a WP:RS for your assertions - cheers... most of metropolitan perth has such similar climactic consistency, internal variations and reasons for mapping out - might need some further reliable sources to justify adding the tables... JarrahTree 10:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I added those weather tables as I was working on expanding Climate of Perth. I have found some sources for Bickley here and here. Steelkamp (talk) 12:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

adding material

Please note that WP:OR is something you should be aware of by now, with no WP:RS - your additions are anecdotal and inadmissable - please make an effort. Thanks.JarrahTree 04:21, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: I got the information from historical imagery on [1]. Is this fine to use? If so, I can add the information back with the source cited. Steelkamp (talk) 05:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for replying - for WP:V it needs to be something that is easily accessible, relevant to the issue, and not likely to end up as a dead link (they exist in the millions on wp en) - hell is when government web managers decide to change servers/systems/ and 'update their (expletive deleted) web pages'. You are fine if it is retrievable for the 'V' process. Thanks also for your adding to the Perth metro info with your edits - much appreciated - it gets to be a very quiet end of the street at times. JarrahTree 06:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. The url may change sometime in the future (don't know when), but I am sure that the imagery will remain accessible somewhere on a state government website. I am going to reinstate the edit with source cited. Steelkamp (talk) 06:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Beware the dreaded WP:COPYVIO - when getting things off - make sure paraphrase orother methods to make sure the dreaded exact same words on the website are not what found in the article - many a horrible fate awaits exact word lifting... JarrahTree 06:21, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind. Steelkamp (talk) 06:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

excellent

very good example - good box, and something that had needed doing for ages... well done! JarrahTree 09:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

the very tricky aspect of history is the complex intertwining of environmental concerns and the indigenous concerns about the effect on the sensitivity as to what the brook meant. If anyone tried doing a silly bugger on the items about that, it is a case of holdon I dont have the relevant refs to hand, and some is limited access and even 40 years later complicated. JarrahTree 09:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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sea of blue

There are two major problems with lead sentences from the old days - perth, western australia -lalalh - redirects to perth - (the perth war was a war) - and generally most lead sentences of the early era overdo

links for western australia - thanks for any help in cleaning up ! JarrahTree 14:22, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I will fix any of those that I see. Interesting reading about that war. Anyway thanks for getting that photo of the Bayswater bridge. I was thinking that wikipedia needs a photo of it before construction starts there later this year.Steelkamp (talk) 14:42, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

NP - hopefully will do a massive photo shoot around the area - if I get the sense of what they will be doing there will be a lot of changes in the area.. As for the primacy of a place - its all a very stupid idea, and a terrible waste of time and usually an unnecessary area of carnage... always best to duck for cover and disappear when you see something like that in sight. JarrahTree 14:52, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

the thing about overlinking west oz and oz it might be a convention in some parts of the internet - the idea of west oz in oz always feels like some annotation that is hungry for tautology - where the hell else in the planet another west oz ? JarrahTree 11:29, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

you are doing so well

your edits for perth and western australia are really improving the project - thank you !!! JarrahTree 06:59, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

fire image - your edit - has one - you need to check format for it to work... JarrahTree 13:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I seriously do not understand what you are trying to say. Steelkamp (talk) 15:28, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

My apology - I had misread the diff of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2021_Wooroloo_bushfire&oldid=1004589777 - my mistake, sorry about that JarrahTree 15:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

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hahah or ahah

updated to present – can't believe this hasn't been updated since the 2017 election - heheh - this is a very backwater part of the larger whole, the editors are going going gone - but someone left the light on - the tapping window blind (On the Beach Nevil Shute movie or novel) taps... if you dont know what I am talking about - the 7th paragraph or so down of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(1959_film) JarrahTree 09:00, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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ry cooder

had a great song many years ago one meatball - you've fallen into the one source hole - please make an effort to avoid the once source - even if a few of the culprits deserved trove references - a few are better than just a single solitary lga history... JarrahTree 09:37, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Right, I have added some sources. There is very little easily accessible sources on most of the older ones. The book has them though. Steelkamp (talk) 11:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

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Transperth C-series train images

Hi,

Thanks for uploading those Transperth C-series train images to Commons. They do a good job of showing the different elements. -- Whpq (talk) 15:31, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

needless to say

I personally have a very strong dislike of the usage of the train rather than railway, probably my age and a few other inherent biases - however in the wa country lines I would strongly object to the usage.

If indeed there is not a drawn out and tedious conversation re the naming, the main thing is to approach the issue with making sure all perth metro items are consistent. Disused railway stations do not need to be changed, imho, however - the important thing is that all locations current and planned on the current network have the same naming. If you want/need some help on the issue, please ask. Also it begs questions in the short title and wikidata listings, but that is another conversation. JarrahTree 08:34, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I 100% agree that the names need to be consistent with each other. Steelkamp (talk) 13:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

however it is all beginning to smell like the predictable car crash so far... it is not clear whether its going into a tree, or over an embankment. JarrahTree 10:29, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

wiki club west

is an administrative part of wikimedia australia - and there are quite a few bits and pieces that would need explaining, if you are interested - not deleting... 12:36, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I was in the process of making the WP:WA page better. Fair enough if there is a reason for it to be there. Steelkamp (talk) 14:02, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

One of the more pressing things in one sense is the amount of oz state project pages with inactive users staying on lists where they have not edited for more than a year - in some cases for years. JarrahTree 14:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe users should be removed from the active members list and put on former members list if they haven't edited WP:WA articles in over a year. That would remove about half of the 28 there.

You can see at my sandbox that I am testing a bot generated list of recognised content (FAs, FLs, etc) to put on WP:WA. The bot seems to update every weekend though... Steelkamp (talk) 14:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

the very big problem with the oz project so few eds have a grasp of the rest of the state projects - there is a good argument that any devices or systems are/can be inclusive of all oz projects... not just lonely old wa... JarrahTree 14:25, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

bremer

the maps are complete crap, needs open street map or something similar - the old style full wa maps are rubbish in the face of what is now available - also dangerous;y too many photos re WP:NOTGALLERY. JarrahTree 11:47, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Do you know how to add an osm map? I don't, and I assume the nominator doesn't. Steelkamp (talk) 12:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

check your email JarrahTree 12:20, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

thanks for letting me know, am checking to see what might be the problem JarrahTree 08:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

have had a few days awy from editing, appears to have gone nowhere, as always... JarrahTree 12:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

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wow

amazing - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&diff=prev&oldid=1031338434&diffmode=source - astonishing claim JarrahTree 11:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I do hope subsequent viewing of items about the individual might enlighten you as to the ramifications for tens of thousands of people's fate .... JarrahTree 06:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I stand by my oppose, although I could have made my argument better. I believe that only presidents, and maybe vice presidents are notable enough for a blurb. Steelkamp (talk) 06:42, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

the way you opposed seem to show staggering ignorance of the widespread impact of his decisions - at least a million deaths can be attributed and associated with his decisions and actions - some presidents and vice presidents dont even get to that in their time in office. The unknown unknown meme/trope is in itself something that transcends presidential office. JarrahTree 06:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

dont take it the wrong way though - you have done great editing and great improvements to the perth project - I simply have a very different way of reading some things - specially compared to fellow perth editors - we are a very mixed bunch to say the least... JarrahTree 07:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

if i repeat myself

apologies - when the small number of items cats for suburbs are created - there is a viable risk of being visited by the residual 'cat police' of the deep dark past who murdered small cats - they at times re emerge with fiery rampaging roy slaven volubility and sell assuredness of the oh so certain eds who ignore heisenberg

it used to be anything with less than 20 - at one stage was seen as unviable unless it exhibited an important link in a cat tree - just so you are aware if I didnt say it before - JarrahTree 09:09, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok. I see. I will avoid creating small categories in the future. Steelkamp (talk) 09:10, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

nah - its less that aspiration - it is more being prepared if it every happens - the tendency has no rhyme or reason and usually zilch local knowledge - there are some wa small cats that simply require some aspiring enthusiast to populate a cat - I dream... JarrahTree 10:14, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

The only potential article relating to Ashfield, WA I can see is the Ashfield Flats. Category:Ashfield, Western Australia seems doomed to never have more than four articles in it. Of course other suburbs have much more potential for articles. Personally, I believe almost all suburbs in Perth should have a category, just for consistency. Steelkamp (talk) 10:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

hmmm - it might work, but many notable suburbs simply do not have more than schools and a few other things - take care JarrahTree 10:36, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

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Bayswater, Western Australia

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Bayswater, Western Australia has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

A couple of points: In the lede I think 19th century makes more sense than 20th century?

Initial development in the 1880s-

"As there was no supervision of building standards, houses were constructed out of corrugated iron and weatherboard, built by the landowners themselves." If there were "building standards" this sentence is fine as is. If not, it should read "As there were no building standards ...".

After federation-
“One initiative they undertook was to resume a market garden in the suburb's town centre for a park.” Should "resume" not be "convert"? In which case, it would be convert ... to a park.

Demographics-

You'll have perhaps noticed I masked the two earliest years' prior census population figures as "overkill". Just erase the arrowed brackets if you don't agree.

Best of luck with the FA process when you get to it.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Twofingered Typist: for undertaking this copyedit. I'll soon recheck the source for your first point. With regards to your second point, resume in this case meant the compulsory resumption of the land. I have reworded that sentence.

Invite

Greetings It is noted that you edit in the rarefied space of content about Perth, Western Australia - it is thought you might be in Perth - and be able to possibly meet up

You maybe interested in some events coming up in the near future - an opportunity to meet fellow Wikipedians, as well as being involved in: -

———

This Saturday - 14th August 2021

Wikipedia Annual conference - known as Wikimania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/71

———

In September -

10th Anniversary of the Fremantle photo work:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/72

———

Both events also tie in with the extended 20th Birthday of wikipedia -

Celebrated in limited manner last Sunday:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/70

——— Any queries - please do not hesitate to contact on or off wiki About any aspect of the events JarrahTree 07:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I decline due to my desire for privacy and to remain anonymous. Steelkamp (talk) 07:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

No problems - that is indeed your perogative - considering your editing history dont expect not to be mentioned or noted as a significant contributor to the project nonetheless... JarrahTree 07:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

GA review

Thanks for the detailed GA review! The next time you have a railway article up for GA, just ping me and I'll be happy to do the review. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Voluntary assisted dying in Western Australia

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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

doubts

I think there is a serious mis-reading of either the article or the category -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Economy_of_Perth,_Western_Australia I fail to see why a suburb belongs to the category and strongly believe they should be removed

Do you have any thoughts on this at all? JarrahTree 04:08, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree with you, I think the suburbs should not be in that category. If I had to guess why they were added, I would say its because those suburbs have an industrial area in them. Not a good reason, because this leads to a slippery slope where all suburbs with industry in them are added. And then this begs the question, whether suburbs with any businesses or shops in them at all should be added. Steelkamp (talk) 04:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks - well either of us, having explained very clearly here - should... dare I say - move em out! JarrahTree 04:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

In appreciation

	The honourable opposer's award
	By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this award in recognition of one or more well argued opposes at FAC. I may or or may not agree with your reasoning and/or your oppose, but I take a Voltarian attitude towards your right to state it. Thank you, such stands help to make Wikipedia stronger. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:02, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: Thank you. I have a feeling this FAC will fail this time around, but I am still determined to get it to FA status. Steelkamp (talk) 13:36, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Have you considered taking Sandbh's advice, and withdrawing it to work on off-FAC. I ask without prejudice, but if you are doubting if it will make it this time, that may be the speediest way of getting it there. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:15, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Lists of streets

Good idea, and no doubt an interesting venture into the world of such lists... Issue is the lack of refs/cites against claims - a problem imho,

insufficient - specially if you havent said where the list's content comes from - smelly and very close to WP:OR JarrahTree 07:48, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Even the items that preceded your efforts have the same problem (earlier street lists) - at least https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_streets_in_Bayswater,_Western_Australia has some refs... strongly suggest to keep the brontosoaurous editors of where's the RS - some care needs to be taken... JarrahTree 08:25, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

I'd have thought that two different reliable sources for the list would be enough. Both sources contain a full list of each street and its origin. Steelkamp (talk) 09:21, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

fair enough - a good wallop of trove links never hurt the lists like we have created - and anything of the volume of the list - even if they are in the fully fledged WP:RS and all honky dory - looks sus - for the myopic or quick reader - the rs provided the way they have been - although some might argue that the soutar book and the council's website are sufficient - I would strongly demote such sources if I was reviewing for a sense of quality - I would like to see some counter or clarification points from trove - there's always the possibility of points of difference on some sources - and a note or items pointing out where things might diverge or have variations is a very good indication that some research has gone into the work, rather than just a dump from someone elses list. just my idea, no big deal. JarrahTree 09:35, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Invisible Barnstar
		For your valued work in the July 2021 GAN Backlog Drive, which, in a single month, helped to reduce the backlog by nearly 50%. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

west australian

noticed your edits and am asking what do you think about the section? an answer would be appreciated.

2 Audience - is potentially a remove item as well as the 'reliable source' is dumped inside the text, but the possibility of retrieving the info to make a valid ref is in my opinion low - but who knows? cheers - keep up the good work! JarrahTree 09:54, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

It appears this edit replaced a well sourced paragraph, albeit out of date, with a new paragraph that is more up to date but not conventionally sourced. I would prefer that old paragraph over nothing at all. Steelkamp (talk) 12:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Please do it - there are problems with fly by edits - your suggestion and preference is appreciated. In fact most australian newspaper articles are not on enough watch lists - the 'sneaked in' promo bits in most oz state main papers are multitudinous to the the least JarrahTree 12:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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tricky

your edit summary does say some things that have been generally accepted amongst communicating eds (some dont ever emerge to discuss, or have gone... one way or other) about the political allegiances on councils in wa - some do have known membership/alignment - whereas others are less open about the issue - some lord mayorship/membership careers have been part of pollies careers - (both before and after being members of parliament) - I personally wouldnt take it to the notice boards - the flies will make a mess of it - but nevertheless - some particular candidates/members - of places like freo and perth - have in the past been part of parties in one way or other - and that is in some ways - not a problem to mention if it has been openly displayed published. Who knows... JarrahTree 08:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Perth

Inneresting as to what you elevate to 'high' - I have found that living inthis isolated and overly self important blob of conflagarations on the swan coastal plain, that many people and things are far too over-rated because there is so little really to compare with - take care with the 'high' regardless of what the rater thingo does - it should be like a sine curve (university undergraduate marking guideline) with a lot more in the middle, me thinks, why even people with money or power do not deserve to sit at the top...

as to the perth project - it hasnt had that level of attention since it was resurrected - thanks for that for a start. JarrahTree 08:41, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I agree there needs to be more mid importance classed articles. I started off with adding articles to the high importance first as I thought it was strange that an article can be mid or high importance for WP:WA, but low importance for WP:Perth. Doing mid level articles might come next. Steelkamp (talk) 08:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

good on you if you are sorting out inconsistencies - the little thingo in the rater screen - the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ORES prediction - is useful to a sertain extent but is not necessarily the answer in every circumstance. I always prefer low imp when uncertain, it gives the sine curve a certain middle age droop JarrahTree 09:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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Warnbro railway station

Hi @Steelkamp:

You reverted an edit that I made on St Kilda Football Club in which I had archived the urls of cited webpages.

As you may know, web-based resources are liable to change or disappear without notice. Pro-active archiving is an important part of citing sources on Wikipedia, because it ensures that a permanent record of the website (dating from the approximate time of its citation) is kept. Clearly a website cannot be archived after it has been removed from the internet.

Please read the policy here on pro-active archiving: Wikipedia:Citing sources/Further considerations#Pre-emptive archiving. Since my edit was in line with this policy, I will revert your change.

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@Mertbiol: I have no problems with your edits. I was told that having all the archives there on a page when most refs are not dead links just makes the page needlessly large and adds to the scroll length. I was told that I should use IAbot, and then revert, if I wanted to ensure that links were archived for the future. I will not undo those edits now, seeing as what you said. Steelkamp (talk) 08:09, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

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informal?

The whole rail thing is a mess enough - is there really a need to call the centralised project discussion as 'informal'? I wonder where you get that from.

It is clear that there are a range of directions, and really it is beginning to smell of a set of cats, which is a pity, as there seemed to be the possibility that some agreement might have been reached, but subsequent edits show your impatience, again another unnecessary issue.

I fail to see where changing title names of articles is such an enthusiastic exercise, a simple addition of variant names on the wikidata entry, as well as in the article itself is sufficient. All you need if you are changing, I sure hope someone doesnt come in and choose to have issue with your reasoning. What you have created by changing to 'midland line - technically the whole category in which it exists, if there was cosnistency there are numerous small tweaks - otherwise there is also https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Midland_railway_line - but it doesnt take much to add see also or aka to help those who follow.

In the time when other editors actually listened to other editors, the issue of variant names was always well sorted out by the placement of AKA's in lead sentences and paragraphs to clarify the range of names possible. As I have said on the WTWA I am no longer interested, it is like possible ways of looking at things are ignored. Have fun with that lot. JarrahTree 11:44, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps informal is the wrong word. It's more that it is not a discussion where there was a move template placed on the article pages, and there was no alert at article alerts. Steelkamp (talk) 11:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh hell, why I honestly think the thing is a mess - and why I would prefer impossible afds than dealing with all the issues that are raised. The lack of actually dealing with the process is thwarted by editors who do not seem to even know the wtwa exists in the first place. There's a lot of hard work required to deal with the issues raised. And moving pages, is in the very long run counter productive - redirects and text in lead sentences and paragraphs is strategically much more clever.

But then I have no idea where it all will go, there's a lot more to deal with JarrahTree 14:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I disagree with the philosophy that article titles should be left as is because it is less disruptive. I do strongly believe that the naming scheme i propose is more commonly used than the current naming scheme. However, it certainly is painful to try and get large changes to reach consensus.

Hmm. I may have to move the 7 station articles I moved back to their original names. More conversation may be needed. Tomorrow though. Steelkamp (talk) 15:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Have you any idea what sort of a mess you have created with your urgent desire to change things? I fail to see where there is any evidence that official and common are coterminous in some of the changes. Now there is a lot of work to cleanup after your edit. So much for watching and not commenting on my part, I now might have to move from norwegian glaciers into the mess on wikidata... JarrahTree 10:47, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I will clean up everything on wikipedia, including links, and categories. I am aware this requires significant work. What needs to be done on wikidata? I may be able to do that as well. Steelkamp (talk) 10:51, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

bloody edit conflict - lost lots of stuff. gah - the point is in each article where you claim official name - it is in many cases the 'recentism' that you have applied that needs to be countered with - this station has also been known as - if you had a copy of higham's where was that -

Higham, G. J; Geoproject Solutions; Higham, Geoffrey (2004), Where WAS that? : an historical gazetteer of Western Australia (1st ed ed.), Geoproject Solutions Pty Ltd, ISBN 978-0-646-44186-3 {{citation}}: |edition= has extra text (help) - it is possible to actually identify the various names that some stations have had over time (it was started as a list of railway locations) - I dont know where my copy is, otherwise I would do it... The thing in wikidata is to make sure possible variations get in to the aka section - and the link to the current article name for the station is made - even if not found easily - it is worth assuming that x train station, and x railway station are valid alternative names - the very weird disambig x station, perth

may need to be included in some wikidata items as well - the trap of potentially duplicate wikidata entries needs to be double checked if there are older items

Then in commons proper linking requires quite a lot of juggling, I wouldnt even start to explain that lot Short descriptions also in some cases are requiring re-doing, it seems the rules are thwarted frequently - the simpler the best, with less qualifiers wherever possible. There needs to be a warning - unless you can offer WP:RS there is nothing to say 'common' and 'official' are the same for many of the stations JarrahTree 11:18, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

So https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7796468 - the title/name of the q property is not the same as the article (as it currently stands) - so the name needs to be changed, and the variant pushed ot the aka section - with whenever somebody does it - the details from the Higham text and any extra info can also be inserted into the wikidata article - and when there exists a photo in commons - it can be inserted into an info box in data - what makes it look worth the effort...

but I wince when I see the image title -https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Transperth_Thornlie_Train_Station.jpg as it technically is another variant that could go into the aka list as well... But there are some who might say 'leave the commons' item alone, if you realise how much commons can be swamp and jungle - you could just put a big link to the new in the upper portion of the article JarrahTree 11:35, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

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