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Opinion on list of Roadside stations in Japan

Hey there, I hope you've been doing alright with Seattle being one of the first badly affected places by the pandemic. Are things getting any better around there yet?

Anyways- to Wikipedia business, do you think a list of the Roadside stations throughout Japan would be notable enough for inclusion? There's an equivalent article in Japanese (every station also has its own article as well). I recently got a book that has details about all of them. Mccunicano☕️ 03:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mccunicano: I'd caution against creating entries for every station, but I do know that there are a few with devoted followings/pilgrimages that have likely been covered enough to be notable on their own. The U.S. turnpikes don't have articles on their equivalent service stations, but I think a few of the more notable ones with extensive news coverage could stand on their own and survive.

Another idea would be to create a "listicle" (as described in WP:USRD/RCS), where you'd have a few paragraphs for each Roadside station in a prefecture or in a given region and bundle them all into a single article. The larger ones can then be broken out into their own articles.

The pandemic has largely shut down the city, but we're starting to see a slower growth in cases. A few people I know have tested positive, but they aren't in need of hospitalization. Other than the lack of appropriate masks and some shortages at stores, things are doing fairly well (and the weather is improving). If you want to chat more, I'm usually idling in the AARoads Forum chatroom with a few other folks. SounderBruce 03:45, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, I'm glad to hear that its slowing down there. I wish I could say the same for Japan. I think I'll work on a "listicle" for now that divides them up by prefecture. For other matters I'll catch you at the chat then! Take care, and I hope the people you know recover smoothly. Mccunicano☕️ 04:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk page stalker here. Washington got an early jolt, so took early action, and never saw the super fast growth rates that a lot of states saw. It has the longest doubling time among most-affected states, and has held the cases to about 1 per 1000 people. Good job. In California, we're lagging that by a week or so, but doing OK. Some other states blasted through the 1-per-1000 line with pretty fast growth rates, so are struggling with a big crunch this week and next. Dicklyon (talk) 04:36, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I've been working on putting together a list-article in my sandbox. There wasn't really an infobox out there that worked for the roadside stations, so I made a new one: Template:Infobox roadside station. It was nominated for deletion pretty quickly, so would you mind weighing in on the discussion? Mccunicano☕️ 02:21, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mccunicano: I do think a merged, international template would be better and under your suggested name of Infobox service area. I totally forgot about the UK service stations, which have their own articles (and an overview list). It seems that there is also an article for one Japanese station: Kiyama Parking Area. It doesn't seem to meet the notability criteria in its current state, however. SounderBruce 04:53, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

John Anderson

Hi! Thanks for your review of my bio of John Anderson. I saw that you had a number of issues with it, and I'd like to make it better. Could you tell me what you think I need to improve, please? The generic tags don't help me much I'm afraid. Thanks! Jordanroderick (talk) 15:14, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

FAC

Hey there. I enjoyed reviewing your FAC on Interstate 82. I was wondering, would you mind reviewing one of the four other tropical cyclone related FACs? In the spirit of no quid pro quo, I'd ask you not to review mine (Gamede), but one of the other hurricane articles. Hope you're doing well :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Hurricanehink, I'll look into it, but I'm a bit stretched between my pet expansion project and helping shorten the GAN backlog. SounderBruce 07:11, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:STA HPT color help

Hello SounderBruce! I was wondering if you could give me a hand editing the color for Spokane Transit's City Line on Template:STA HPT color. The color hex code I'd like to change it to (now that STA has branding for the line) is 8f498d (which will be the color used on the bus livery and station branding) but Wikipedia seems to not be able to recognize the line name and it defaults the color to the 00ccff hex code that's set up for STA routes. The only way I can change its appearance is by editing the default hex code. I'm following Template:STLinkLR color as a template, but it's not working. Am I missing a step here? Thanks! Jdubman (talk) 23:12, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Jdubman, I managed to fix it by using a lowercase name for the color. SounderBruce 00:51, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Awesome - thank you! Jdubman (talk) 05:03, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

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About the message on my AgentNed talk page

Hello SounderBruce, thank you for leaving that message on the talk page of my, it is really appreciated, if you believe that i am wording my edit summaries incorrectly then i would be glad to accept some tips from you as well as i am reading the article on edit summaries. Also i like that photograph of Seattle, Washington you took. I hope you have a great day/night.AgentNed (talk) 09:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@AgentNed: Do not add external links to city articles until you have read and understood the External links policy. You should only add the official government website, and leave the others to the discretion of more experienced editors. You should also avoid adding lists of highways without prose, as they serve no real purpose for the readers. SounderBruce 21:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

King County Metro

Hi SounderBruce.

About the information of the last 40' Gillig Phantom, yes, it did retired 6 days after I took the picture I recently posted on Wikipedia and Wikimedia. I found out from Canadian Public Transportation Discussion Board, aka CPTDB, over the wiki page at King County Metro page. The reason I want to post mainly the picture at the information at the fleet section is to tell readers that I have the picture of 40' Phantom on its last days and I don't think others were as lucky as I am since the bus was running on my local route at that time. So, in your permission, I can just add the picture and not adding the retirement. Thanks, JC1199154.

@JC1199154: CPTBD is not a reliable source, so you must not make those changes unless there is a newspaper report, Metro document/webpage, or other good source that you can cite. A gallery is generally not used in articles except for rare situations, and especially not for a single image. SounderBruce 23:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: OK. But I can still upload one of my images in the page, right?

2001 Seattle mayoral election

I don't think it was needed to create a redirect page like 2001 Seattle mayoral election. It makes more sense to either create and article there (which I intend on doing in the future), or otherwise having left the page nonexistent. SecretName101 (talk) 18:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

SecretName101, I already have a draft of the 2001 election in progress that I intend to move from userspace to mainspace eventually. Since it was a fairly important and controversial election in the city's history, I don't want it to be misrepresented with an incomplete entry. SounderBruce 23:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I'd recommend having, instead of publishing a redirect (which is almost an invitation for someone to create an article), created your draft in the space Draft:2001 Seattle mayoral election. When no article exists, but a draft titled like that is in progress, when someone goes to create an article in article space a prompt is present saying formal draft does exist for the article. To see how this works, look at the currently nonexistent article 2021 Boston mayoral election, which has a draft currently in the space Draft:2021 Boston mayoral election. SecretName101 (talk) 23:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

SecretName101, I've been pulling most of my drafts out of draftspace because the draft patrollers are the kind to delete first and ask questions later. It's not a good policy and generally not good for an editor like myself who prefers slow and careful research over rushing to be first. SounderBruce 23:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'd just say that creating that kind of redirect might make it more likely that someone notices the article doesn't exist and create an incomplete article for it. Also, worst case-scenario, someone does create an incomplete article, you can always expand it yourself by amending and substituting existing material with material you had complied in your draft-space. SecretName101 (talk) 23:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

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GA review

I wanted to thank you again for the very detailed GA review. I know we disagreed on a few points, but I really appreciate the effort and thought you put into the review. If you have any GAs in the queue that you'd like reviewed, please let me know! Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

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Former services

I understand most of the Sounder stations were not at the original locations of the historic railroads. And all of the articles look great, but with the History section mentioning the historic railroads I figured most locations would fine with the collapsed "former services" section. I doubt there would be enough content to create a new article for these old depots, especially with the new articles being GA or FA. Do you see no value in having the old navigation boxes in the articles, even under a collapsed header? Or they could even have a "Former services at X location" like I did at Everett. The northern Cascades stations with no history mentioned is iffy I agree, and fine (IMO) to be removed there. —GFOLEY FOUR!— 22:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Gfoley4: It's a bit misleading to put the GN/NP succession boxes for stations that did not inherit the old structure or had continual railroad ownership. Most of the intermediate former stations would also be ineligible for proper articles, as they were little more than wooden shacks next to the tracks. It would be more useful to readers if we linked to an article on the lines and had a list of stations there, rather than trying to create a connection that did not exist. SounderBruce 01:48, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

no "change"

If you check {{cite web}} or others, they changed accessdate to access-date. The tool I use to update the formatting, also corrects some other formatting (like author to last etc. I was finding that some authors were actually the publishers and some were just wrong like "MLS Staff". Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:50, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: For consistency across CS1 templates, the URL should be after the title (as is shown in {{cite news}}). And since the vast majority of citations in the article already use the un-hyphenated form, it should follow suit for the sake of easier non-automated searching. SounderBruce 20:55, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Consistency on which parameter? {{Cite news}} uses access-date. All citations are moving to access-date so I'm not sure what your complaint is. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:40, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: It's in the order of the parameters that get spit out in normalization, which has all sorts of inconsistencies. I took a look at the TemplateData for {{cite news}} and it was in no real order, so the articles using ProveIt will have a confusing order (jumping from authors to url to title to date to publication name at the very end) for editors to deal with. These automated tools are problematic for those who choose to do things manually (like myself) and can result in their own problems, like repeated parameters because users can't find them in the irregular order. SounderBruce 06:45, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

They will all have the same order and it's not irregular. If you'd like to raise the issue with the ProveIt developers, feel free to. If you'd like to mess the page up and revert great changes for some arbitrary order provide in template documentation, that would be a bad idea. If you want to do things manually, feel free to, but don't revert changes that apply a consistent order and correct parameters. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:00, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Nashville Fairgrounds Stadium Architect

Hi Bruce -- I'm writing on behalf of Populous, a global architecture firm with experience in sports venues. We noticed the Nashville Fairgrounds Stadium page incorrectly lists a competitor of ours as the architect. While they did the initial study, we were ultimately selected as the architect per these media reports:

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2018/06/25/kc-firm-will-design-nashville-s-mls-stadium.html
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/06/21/nashville-mls-stadium-fairgrounds-contract-firm-nearly-place/721715002/

I saw you were active in the Wikipedia community and had also made an edit to the page last year. Would you be so kind as to make this correction? I would do it myself but try to err on the side of caution due to my inherent conflict of interest. Many thanks, Bewarethephog (talk) 15:50, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bewarethephog: Thank you for properly disclosing your conflict of interest. I have made the corrections that you have requested. Feel free to message me again if anything else is needed. SounderBruce 01:43, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Anthony Precourt page

Hi

I hope you're well.

I noticed you've changed the cost of the Austin FC stadium back to $242 million from the update I made this week, to reflect the true cost of the stadium which is $260 million. The original sum quoted, $242 million, was correct in 2018, but the investment cost has risen to $260 million, a figure that has been quoted in media as it is the correct representation of the cost of the stadium. You cited it as highly promotional, but it is a fact that the costs rose, hence the investment rose. Someone looking for the cost of the stadium will see an incorrect figure now, hence the change.

Please could you help correct this error so the true cost is presented.

Thank you

Tom Webb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27ATX (talk • contribs) 13:20, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

27ATX, it would be more appropriate to use the true cost later on in the article, rather than tying it to the initial agreement. If you are employed by Austin FC, you should not be editing any articles about the club or ownership directly per the Conflict of interest guidelines. Please use the article talk pages to bring up suggestions and following this extensive guide. SounderBruce 01:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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Trump Republican

I note that this article has been proposed for deletion. I created this article but actually don't know much more about the topic beyond what is already in the brief article. The article actually does not claim, and is not intended to claim, that this is a registered party. I have edited the Goodspaceguy article in the past. When editing that article again this past week to reflect Goodspaceguy's most recent run for office, I noticed that he was running as a "Trump Republican" which is a different party label than he has used in the past. So I created this article to give myself something to link to. There are some news articles from reliable sources referencing this that I will add to the article. A gubernatorial election seems notable to me, and a party label used by 3 out of 37 candidates in that race--signifying that it is not confined solely to a single fringe or perennial candidate--seems at least a bit notable to me. But I confess I don't have in depth knowledge of the topic and the final call on deletion may be up to the Wikipedia community. Dash77 (talk) 02:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

North Potomac

Hi SounderBruce - Thank You for looking at North Potomac, Maryland. You have some very impressive accomplishments in Wikipedia, so I am hoping I can learn something. I could not find any examples of GA-rated Wikipedia articles about Census Designated Places, so I was "on my own" for North Potomac. It is also difficult, at times, to find suitable references. Do not hesitate to reorder or rearrange the current article. I will use it as an example for future CDP articles such as Travilah, Maryland and possibly Darnestown, Maryland. The same pattern could possibly be used for small towns such as Queenstown, Maryland and Saint Michaels, Maryland. Thanks again - BTW, great photos & maps. TwoScars (talk) 15:35, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: - I will be moving to a new house in about a week—hopefully we will be able to get internet service up soon. Is there anything I should be doing with North Potomac, Maryland? TwoScars (talk) 15:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

TwoScars, Sorry about the delay. I've had a busy week and am a bit burnt out on reviewing due to some off-wiki happenings. I'll try to wrap up my comments soon and leave an extended window for you to make changes, in light of your situation. Good luck with the house move. SounderBruce 20:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: - I will try to get things cleaned up in seven days, but might not be able to since we are packing and I will be at the new house all day tomorrow for W/D & cable/internet installation. Hopefully I can get some things done Friday. TwoScars (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

TwoScars: Feel free to take your time. I am fine with keeping the GAN on hold for a few weeks (as many current nominations have been on hold for months). SounderBruce 21:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: - Thank you for your patience. I believe I have caught up. Any thoughts? TwoScars (talk) 21:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Snoqualmie Valley Record

Bruce, Thank you for your help editing Draft: Snoqualmie Valley Record. I saw you removed the awards section of the paper. Are they not notable to the paper and its history? I could be wrong, but I feel like they play a part in telling the story of the paper. Maybe there is a better way than a table to display them? I am new to creating pages and everything so just wanted to reach out for more understanding. Go Sounders!! :) NoahRiffe (talk) 20:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

NoahRiffe, awards should only be included if they are the top award offered by the organization or the organization's awards are of national prestige, in which case all category winners should be listed. Your draft has a long way to go before it can be published, and I suggest rewriting it to go beyond the "In X year, Y happened" format. The citations need to also be re-done properly (with templates) to make the case for notability easier for reviewers to see. SounderBruce 20:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

SounderBruce, Thank you! I really appreciate all the help I am sure it's annoying to get these unfitted pages. I will fix it up and resubmit soon! Also random, but I saw you were a photographer and writer on your page, I am studying photojournalism at Penn State! Best, Noah.

Reliable source?

Hello! I left a comment on my user talk page already but I requested and obtained directly from the STM under the Access to Information Act for updating it to Wikipedia, and therefore the direct link is not available. How do you suggest going with this case?--이동아 (talk) 01:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@이동아: I would ask STM to make this information available on their website first. If that doesn't work, then converting these citations to an offline reference with no link is acceptable (per WP:OFFLINE), so long as you can pull it up when asked for verification. The second Dropbox citation does not have a publicly-accessible link, BTW. SounderBruce 02:33, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I think it would take too much time and effort from the STM's side to create a separate webpage and compile all the data just for a personal request. I will message them as a suggestion, but in the meantime, I will leave it as offline citation, with the Access to Information number and point of contact in case someone needs to verify the source document. --이동아 (talk) 03:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Tone for Washington State University Everett

Hi SounderBruce,

I did a bunch of work on this page Washington State University Everett, and addressed the advertisement like tone. I did a bunch of rewording and removed comments like "state of the art," etc. I've removed the tag, please have a look and see if you think anything else should be done.

Thanks!

Rytyho usa (talk) 02:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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John Leary

There was a part of your edit that I don't fully understand -- why change citation templates to cite web/news/journal, if it has no bearing on how these are displayed to readers? 凰兰时罗 (talk) 21:00, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

凰兰时罗: The vast majority of other Seattle mayoral articles use CS1, which has differences that readers could notice. As a series, it should be kept consistent. I thank you for your efforts in expanding the article, but please develop it in a visible draft or userspace draft and seek copyediting input, as it really messy. The newspaper citations were also incorrectly formatted, with the wrong Times editor attributed to several sources. SounderBruce 04:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

SounderBruce, Perhaps you misunderstood me :). I didn’t question your edit in its entirety, and your contributions were welcome and necessary improvements. You were right to notice and fix my mistake with the Seattle Times editor, for example, and I’ll try to be more careful next time. I’m not sure, however, that these easy-to-fix issues of small scale warrant your recommendation for me to seek some kind of editorial screening prior to publishing. I do welcome your feedback and suggestions, but politely decline the idea of posting drafts for approval. Are we good here?

But back to the question that I did ask. The Citation template is part of CS1 style, isn’t it? My point was that after the consolidation of all the citation templates under the same Lua module a few years back, {{citation|… and, for example, {{cite news|… are bound to render the same output, hence it’s no longer necessary to make these distinctions. So, I was just concerned that you were spending time changing those for no apparent benefit. What’s your take? 凰兰时罗 (talk) 19:18, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

凰兰时罗,: {{citation}} is CS2, not CS1 and uses commas instead of periods between parameters. It makes a difference when exporting citations for other uses. I would highly recommend getting copyediting done, as the article is hard to read and many terms aren't used properly. SounderBruce 19:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Exporting for other uses? Never thought of this one, but this option cannot possibly be uniform across Wikipedia... Let me look into it, you got me curious.

Since it's already published, let's get to specifics and fix it together. I do welcome your input, but it needs to be specific, so that I can take further steps. What terms aren't used properly? What sections are hard to read? I thought I did my best yesterday... 凰兰时罗 (talk) 20:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

SounderBruce, I looked deeper into CS1/CS2 issue. Yes, you’re correct the citation template is CS2. However, look,

1. As I understand the leading words of H:CS2 (“There are various benefits to using a template, most notably that doing so produces a consistent look, [but] You are not required to use CS2”), CS2 seems to be a preferred style among others, that is if you have a clean start due to “consistent look.”
2. per WP:CITEVAR: “Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change.”
3. there was a specific Arbcom decision that is still the latest precedent that stated: “editors should not attempt to convert Wikipedia to their own preferred style, nor should they edit articles for the sole purpose of converting them to their preferred style, or removing examples of, or references to, styles which they dislike.”

Therefore, technically speaking, based on 2 & 3, your edit, changing my cs2 to cs1 on the grounds of the consistent style in other mayoral articles is against Wikipedia polices, so I reverted it. Sorry :) 凰兰时罗 (talk) 20:24, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

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Washington State History Museum

I see that you did a few edits to this article after me and described my addition of coordinates to the infobox as "sloppy", however when I look at the page as it now stands it doesn't seem like anything has changed visually. Just wondering if there is anything I should know before making similar edits in future? Hamptonian92 (talk) 05:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Hamptonian92, the article already had a set of coordinates at the bottom. An article cannot have two coordinate tags that have the title parameter enabled, so an error message was shown at the bottom. Also, coordinates should include the type parameter with the place type (in this case, landmark) and region (US-WA). SounderBruce 05:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

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Why the Revert on Capitol Hill, Seattle?

I'm baffled. Mikalra (talk) 21:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Mikalra, read WP:OLINK. If you want to have links in the caption, make sure to link all of the neighborhoods. SounderBruce 22:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Er ... why? Of course more complete is better than less complete, but surely some links are better than no links. Imagine if the standard were that no Wikipedia page could be published unless everything mentioned it with a Wiki page was wiki-linked first.

Mikalra (talk) 22:25, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) WP:RECENT and WP:WEIGHT come to mind off the top of my head. John from Idegon (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't see that either of those apply (although of course, Capitol Hill is now the location for CHOP).Mikalra (talk) 22:32, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

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CPTDB Wiki Buses.

Hi SounderBruce, please you get it on the internet for CPTDB Wiki into list the bus for Community Transit currently expect coach number the same everything also own with Wiki you ABSOLUTION! Only one the new bus coach number 19100's (24) series in Snohomish County now. Well, but I can't hear and I am a deaf only in Seattle. Thanks.

CPTDB Wiki: https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Community_Transit — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmaryahJohnson1996 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

AmaryahJohnson1996, You need a reliable source to update information on Wikipedia. The CPTDB Wiki is fan-made and is not a reliable source. It's fine for information here to be outdated if a suitable reliable source cannot be found. SounderBruce 00:46, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Lakewood station & others

Hello Bruce,
Your reversals on Lakewood station and others are at best not very useful and even irrelevant. The page Intersection (road), by itself, has NOTHING with railways. Hence I created the section Intersection (road)#At-grade railways and thus At-grade & at-grade are relevant. Peter Horn User talk 13:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a better solution? Peter Horn User talk 13:41, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I forgot that I raised the matter at Talk:At-grade#Inappropriate redirect Peter Horn User talk 14:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Peter Horn, you must follow WP:BRD. Do not escalate this into an edit war. It would be best to use a redirect of any kind (e.g. At-grade (railway)) to keep things consistent for scripts and automated bots. When directly linking to sections, this can muddle things and the section title may change and thus break the link. Changing the section link in a redirect is far easier than doing so for dozens of articles. SounderBruce 04:33, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I would not want to escalate this into an edit war. That said, there are plenty of redirects to specific sections within articles. For example, there are a number of redirects to specific sections within the page flatcar in order to easily find a specific type of flat car. Ditto for hopper car. To the best of my knowledge, WP:BRD was never raised in connection with redirect to specific sections within those articles. At-grade (railway) would likely be short and be deemed not noteworthy and thus become a candidate for speedy deletion. One could have Level crossing#At grade railway. A call to the Arbitration Committee may be useful. Also @NemesisAT: Peter Horn User talk 15:50, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@DannyS712 and DannyS712: Your input please. Peter Horn User talk 02:02, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Peter Horn — Bruce is absolutely correct here. He’s not suggesting that you create a whole new article. Instead, create a page that redirects to the exact section you want to go to. That way, in the future, if another editor changes the section title it’s easy to fix that one redirect... instead of the links on dozens of pages. Also, in the future if you or another editor deem that at grade railway crossings are worthy of a standalone article, you remove that redirect and you have a page that already has dozens of existing links. Bruce’s suggestion is a win-win and I can’t see any downsides to doing it that way. If you wanted an opinion from a third party who also frequently edits these pages, there you go. — RickyCourtney (talk) 14:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC) Railway coupling#Buffers and chain

@RickyCourtney: just a random example. When one opens Railway coupling#Buffers and chain for making a revision to that section one gets the warning <!-- Do not remove this because an unknown number of pages still redirect here -->. This could be used anywhere when needed. The section carries {{main article|Buffers and chain coupler}}. There is a solution for every thing. Peter Horn User talk 16:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@Peter Horn: Please explain why you think that is a *better* (not just an alternative) solution than using a redirect. — RickyCourtney (talk) 19:40, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

The topic At grade railway would be short one as is now Intersection (road)#At-grade railways and not likely be much longer at all and thus might become a candidate for a speedy deletion. Peter Horn User talk 21:26, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Peter Horn, the point we're all trying to make is that creating At-grade railway and redirecting it to the section you linked would be a superior option to directly linking to the subsection. It's easier to maintain and change. SounderBruce 21:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Good, will do. Peter Horn User talk 22:02, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

North Potomac

Hello Bruce—thank you for all your work on North Potomac, Maryland. It will be used as a pattern for at least two other CDPs in Maryland that I will probably finish sometime this year. I learned some new code from you: {{convert|3|mi|km|spell=in}} for three miles (4.8 km)—I had been doing that the hard way. Cheers! TwoScars (talk) 14:50, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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