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WiR and photos

Hey, Rosie! Do you think these pictures come under Women in Red? The Harriet Jacobs and Louisa Matilda Jacobs articles are well-developed, but both replace low-quality scans, and the former is likely to be a featured picture soon (it's short one vote, but give it time)

In any case, I have a Sándor Vay project forthcoming. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 00:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Hiya Adam Cuerden. The photo of Harriet is absolutely lovely. As her biography was created in 2006, it wouldn't fall under Women in Red (which was established in 2015) but it would under WikiProject Women. Louisa's article, on the other hand, was created in 2018, so we could certainly stretch and include it under WiR, even though it doesn't have a WiR talkpage banner (at least not yet). Very cool that you're working on the Sándor Vay project. Looking forward to seeing that photo after you've performed your magic. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:16, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Right! I mean, as much as I support it, I don't want to ignore important women just because they aren't WiR, but I also don't want to push things on WiR that are out of scope, so... figured it best to ask, ay? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 01:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Adam Cuerden, no worries. At one time, they were all "redlinks", right?, so I don't know that anyone would mind including them at WiR. But that's just my opinion. :) --Rosiestep (talk) 01:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Frances Browne
Adam Cuerden, something about Frances Browne's gaze caught my attention when I was reviewing her biography. The pic is okay as is, but thought I'd put it on the suggestion list for photo improvement if you have time/inclination. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I'll give it a try, though I will admit I'm a little frustrated - I have three images at WP:FPC which look like they might have issues passing for reasons completely divorced any FPC requirement. 15:03, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Hm. Source website's down for her image, which is going to limit what I can do given the size. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.2% of all FPs 15:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Is https://fantasy.glasgow.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/5140362346_a27b7d731b_b.jpg of any use? They're this edition. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.2% of all FPs 22:58, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

There's also a couple nice scans at [1] Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.2% of all FPs 23:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Adam Cuerden, lovely pictures, but I've never done an upload to WikiCommons from that kind of a website. I only have experience uploading from PD sources. Maybe a pagestalker, though would be interested in doing so? cc: Victuallers who knows the Commons "rules" better than I do. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, as a quick update, been kind of a little focused on old to-do lists. Not much WiR, though Ethel Smyth - a restoration over four years in thd making, because there were so many little black dots, is finally done after about 16 more hours. Sànfor Vay is almost done. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 19:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, Ethel Smyth is a lovely picture, Adam Cuerden. I see what you mean about all those dots! --Rosiestep (talk) 20:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I think she was one of the first things I worked on for WiR. Not that she really counts as "in Red", although with the state of FP at the time WiR was founded, she may as well have. I'd estimate about 90% of all FPs of females can be attributed to Women in Red reminding people that females should not just be a sometimes feature. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 21:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hello, i noticed you send multiple messaging to users at once, how do you actually do it without a clear mailing list or mass messaging rights. Thanks Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 23:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, @Megan Barris, and thanks for stopping by. I do have MassMessage rights (on en-wiki and on Meta). For Women in Red MassMessaging, I use these mailing lists. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Rosiestep, What are the requirements for the rights, if I may ask? Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 23:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
@Megan Barris, it is detailed here: Wikipedia:Mass message senders. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Rosiestep, Thanks for that. Cheers Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 00:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Virginia women

Frances Harrison Marr

I was out poking around the town cemetery in Warrenton, Virginia this weekend, and stumbled across the grave of Frances Harrison Marr, which lists her occupation as "poetess". I find almost nothing about her in contemporary sources, but she warrants an entry in a couple of nineteenth-century books, according to Google Books. I know you've been working a lot on nineteenth-century American women writers - does she turn up in any of your sources? I'll probably take a crack at working something up in a few days - I think she just about meets the notability requirement. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ser Amantio di Nicolao, and thanks for "finding" her. Yes indeed, nineteenth-century American (actually, English-language in general) women writers are my thing. At quick glance, I found this and this. Any chance her birth and death years were on the grave? That might help. If I had just a bit more, I'd create the article today. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Find-a-Grave gives the dates as marked on her grave. Thought you might enjoy. :-) I'll upload the cemetery pictures in a day or two. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
By the by, if you redlink the Warrenton Cemetery in the article, I'll be creating an article about that as well soon - there are 11 or 12 burials with articles. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Ser Amantio di Nicolao, and now we have, Frances Harrison Marr, with a redlinked cemetery. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
That's awesome, thanks. I'll get to the cemetery article and photos in a day or two. Always interesting to find a Virginia woman writer, especially from that period - we haven't produced many. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Actually, just uploaded the gravestone picture with my Commons app. Thanks again! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Super, Ser Amantio di Nicolao! --Rosiestep (talk) 17:31, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 The Virginia Barnstar
For your creation of Frances Harrison Marr - I knew you had access to sources I wasn't able to find. :-) Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 00:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you very kindly, Ser Amantio di Nicolao. Once I started researching her, I was surprised by how much I could find, and equally surprised that until today, there was no Wikipedia article on Frances. If you hadn't mentioned her, there'd still be no article, so kudos to you for that. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
I wouldn't have known about her to begin with if I hadn't been looking for her brother's grave. Hers just happened to be close at hand, and it was the inscription that caught my attention. Kismet, really.
Although on a somewhat related note, it's always surprised me greatly that so little attention has been paid, comparatively speaking, to writers from Virginia - even among scholars of Southern literature it seems to me there's very little interest in the Commonwealth's literary history. Something I may want to take up with the Virginia Historical Society someday. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 00:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Ser Amantio di Nicolao, I didn't realize that. When I'm done with my current article, the Kentuckian, Jane Tandy Cross, I'll scroll through Category:Writers from Virginia and see if I can spot some 19th-century women writer redlinks. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
I'll do some more digging sometime, too - I know a couple of sources that might be able to help. For that matter, perhaps a look at the UVA website wouldn't be amiss. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 04:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Ser Amantio di Nicolao, I've got one up my sleeve for tomorrow. Born in Virginia; died in Texas. ;) --Rosiestep (talk) 04:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Awesome - looking forward to it. I've got a few DC-based artists, some with Virginia ties, up my sleeve for when I'm done with talkpages. Some male, some female - all of whom I've been sitting on for a while. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 04:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Florence Anderson Clark

Ser Amantio di Nicolao, so here she is, Florence Anderson Clark, another Virginia woman writer. But try as I might, I cannot find the city of her birth. Perhaps you have access to some sources that are invisible to me? Also pinging SusunW whose super power is locating difficult-to-find info on women who died long ago. The biography is fine without the city -seventeen references are more than sufficient- but if there's a record of the city of birth somewhere, it would be nice to include it in the article. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I will do some digging and see if I can't find something. Meantime, you've found a couple of sources there over which I'm salivating...lots of fodder to look through for Virginia writers. There's one I found whose father is apparently buried in Alexandria; she doesn't have a Find a Grave entry, but I wonder if she's in the family plot as well? I may head over this weekend or next to have a look. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:48, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Ser Amantio di Nicolao Indeed, I've come across some really cool sources with many names in each. It'll take a bit to go through them all and sort out who has a Wikipedia biography and who doesn't. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
This one is really tough, Rosie. Elizabeth Smith is worthless to search, too common, and it was she who was related to Thankful Hubbard. Though there have been genealogies done on Hubbards descendants, nothing I could find on Smith. John Anderson isn't much better. Very common. I find lots of information on Clark, just nothing that says anything other than Virginia. SusunW (talk) 14:46, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for researching it, SusunW; appreciate it. Sometimes, it's just a dead end. I'm still thinking about Thankful Hubbard; can't sort out yet if there's enough for WP:N. In the meantime, I'm on Agnes Leonard Hill of Kentucky. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Did a little research today - nothing, sorry. I wonder if the DAR has easy access to that information... --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 00:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Ser Amantio di Nicolao, maybe in her original application. Personally, I don't feel like pursuing this one anymore but if others feel inclined, that's cool. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Might be worth a call to them sometime - I'll keep it in the back of my mind. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 04:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Eliza Ann Dupuy

One more for me today: Eliza Ann Dupuy. Born in Petersburg, Virginia, 1814, but can't find the month or day, and, in fact, the year might be off. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Typical Virginia story - she was born here, but went elsewhere to do her work. Many of the most important writers/artists with Virginia ties are the same. Most notably Willa Cather - Nebraska may claim her, but we had her first. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Tagging: musicians and writers

Finished the first pass on musicians this weekend: I'll be starting the next set in a day or two, after I work up another one or two articles I've been holding off on for a while. A question, in the meantime: I've been tagging works by women musicians with the WP Women in Music banner, not just biographical articles, but the template refers specifically to biographical articles. Shall I rework the template, or shall I hold off on tagging non-biographical articles? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Ser Amantio di Nicolao, sorry, I don't know the answer to that as I'm not a member of WikiProject Women in Music. I would agree, though, with your thought that if the template specifically mentions biogs, best to only tag biog talkpages. --Rosiestep (talk) 10:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
's OK. I picked up a few songs in my first troll through. There are a lot fewer articles on musicians I'm picking up this second go-round. Once it's done I'll do another set of passes on writers and see what turns up. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Ser Amantio di Nicolao, thank you for what you're doing. WPWW is now at >48K. And sorry for brevity. Family emergency. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Any time. I'll probably hit the writers again in a day or so. No need to apologize - everything's OK, I hope? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:18, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Ser Amantio di Nicolao, writers are at 48.5K. I've been going through User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Biography (science and academia)/Unassessed/??? and picking some up along the way. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:54, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Merced Theatre

Hope this is how to leave a message on your talk page. Thanks for the cookies! Am working my way through all the helpful links you sent. In the meantime I am roughing out new material for the Merced page offline.

One question. On the card #18 of the deck you sent, it says "Article Policies: No Original Research." In your email note you said I can change things as long as I have source to support it. Since I am using my dissertation (original research) as my supporting source, it seems like a feedback loop, or at least self-serving. True, my dissertation is fully footnoted, but if I add a new reference to the Reference List for every footnote the List might get pretty lengthy. Conundrum? MorbierMold (talk) 01:26, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi MorbierMold and thanks for stopping by to chat about Merced Theatre (Los Angeles, California). If you haven't done so already, you might find it useful to review other articles in the same category as the Merced Theatre article (Category:California Historical Landmarks, Category:1870 establishments in California, Category:Buildings and structures in Los Angeles, and Category:Cinemas and movie theaters in Los Angeles County, California).
Here's the link for No Original Research.
It's okay to have a long reference list. Every source used needs to be included. Here's a link for the policy on Reliable Sources.
When you have a moment, you might want to write something on your userpage (MorbierMold) as it's still a redlink. At least in the beginning, keep it simple, e.g. "I like cats". --Rosiestep (talk) 10:58, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Indigenous women and August at WiR?

Heya! Is one of the topics next month for WiR going to be indigenous women again? I've been expanded my list and even reorganized the Saami one so people can find their favourite topics more easily :) I unfortunately won't be able to participate this year though, since I have to get a long overdue project done by the end of August. On a side note, the wonderful people of WiR have written at least 70 new articles on Saami women over the years! This is an incredible achievement that we should be really proud of and broadcast on social media imo :) -Yupik (talk) 14:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hiya Yupik. Always nice to hear from you. Yes, indeed, Women in Red will focus on "Indigenous Women" again in August. You're welcome to post relevant info on the linked "Ideas" page, including info about those new articles and suggestions about promoting them on social media... absolutely something to be proud of. Also, if you have new lists or websites which might be helpful. Otherwise, we'll just cut-paste redlists, etc. from last year's event to create the meetup page for this year. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
Yupik: I see you are very busy at the moment but have you ever considered encouraging more Saamis to become active on Wikipedia themselves? One of the problems we face in trying to write their biographies is that many of the relevant sources are in the Saami languages. If they could at least try to create biographies in Norwegian or Swedish we would stand a better chance of being able to adapt them to English. Perhaps some of them are fluent enough in English to start contributing directly to the English version. If you have the time, sooner or later it would be really useful for us to have a list of active Saami Wikipedians, especially those who have at least a basic knowledge of English. This would allow us to liaise with them in order to provide even better coverage of Saami women and their activities. I must say your list at User:Yupik/Redlinks/Indigenous Women is coming on very well. I'll take a closer look at the Saami section when I have time. It's also a great basis for writing about indigenous women from other parts of the world.--Ipigott (talk) 07:25, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
I've been trying for years, especially as they are often fluent in English too, but some have really bad experiences with enwiki and want nothing to do with it. We had some workshops planned for this year, but the pandemic has ensured they aren't happening unfortunately. Maybe Astrid Carlsen (WMNO) can see about getting editors to write bios in Norwegian so they could be translated into English? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who is working on BLPs or would be interested in doing so :/ If you know anyone else who can add in indigenous women to the list, please feel free to encourage them to do so. Everything I come across I add to the list, so cut-pasting this redlist is fine :D -Yupik (talk) 05:59, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Yupik, totally get it. BTW, do you know if these names are being added to Wikidata? It would be cool if we could generate a Wikidata redlist. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:35, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Tagging: women writers redux

I've done another run over the various categories/subcategories of women writers, and have turned up quite a few more that I'd missed. That should be about the lot of 'em, save for an odd few here or there that got lost in the shuffle. I have a feeling it's going to prove to be somewhere just north of 50,000. If you spot some I've missed, please let me know and I'll take a look at the category tree to see what I overlooked. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

OMG, Ser Amantio di Nicolao, 51,177 as of tonight's bot run! You predicted quite some time ago that it would be north of 50K and you were right. I am so grateful for all the work you put into making this happen. Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:23, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Any time - happy to be of help. :-) Just did a quick run through songwriters to pick up a few more. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Ser Amantio di Nicolao: I'm not quite sure whether this quantitative approach is the most constructive one for WP Women writers. Until very recently, well over 90% of its articles had been carefully assessed. Now we have about 20% unassessed, even though in most cases two or three of the assessments of the other wikiprojects have been successfully completed. Furthermore, I am a bit worried that the automatic inclusion of Women writers might not always have been the choice of the editors who created or edited the articles in the normal "human" way, given the substantial number of borderline cases which have been added in order to hit the 50,000 mark. Nevertheless, if this is the preferred way of promoting the project, perhaps we could at least give some consideration to adding the "auto" parameter to the talk page additions. I believe this would enable the existing assessments to be carried over to the blank assessments from the bot-driven additions. This is of course just my own view and might not be shared by others. The other option is of course for us to take a more careful look at the 9,852 Women writers articles still awaiting assessment.--Ipigott (talk) 21:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for sharing your views, Ipigott. Assessment work is systematic and punctilious. The focus in this case is on women writers and their works. Many editors either don't know to add a talkpage template, or know about it and don't bother with doing the task. The same can be said for adding stub templates, or headers, or categories. That's okay. There are other editors who do find gnome-ish work to be important and pleasant. There's no deadline for when the reviews get done. It'll happen when it happens. Just like articles will get improved -headers, categories, linkage- in time. I work with academics who support this effort, so we'll stay the path. One more thing: it's common for me to improve an article at the same time that I review it. If you have interest, could certainly use more hands with that. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
You make some good points, Rosie, but perhaps did not get the thrust of my message. The first suggestion was that if articles have already been successfully assessed on two or more pertinent wikiprojects (e.g. WP BIO, Women or Women's history), rather than leaving the bot-created WP Women writers assessment blank, it might be more sensible to create an equivalent assessment, especially for articles rated Start or higher. I believe there is a parameter "auto" which can be used to match a blank assessment with those that already exist. As the "auto" remains, those interested in double checking could still adjust their reviews if necessary. My second point was that after looking at a number of the recent WP Women writers additions, I wondered in how many cases I would have added the category if I had been working on the article myself. For example, while covering missing assessments on WP Finland over the past few days, I have come across a number of bios on artists which had received the banner despite the fact that there was no meaningful coverage of the individual's writing or editing work. Another frequent case is that of TV presenters who have been dubbed "journalists" although they do not appear to have ever written anything. At the same time, I have seen cases where articles referred in some detail to the person's contributions to writing but as the relevant categories were missing, the banner had of course not been created. Like you, I try to rectify things as I go on and have spent quite some time on Women writers over the past few weeks. I am nevertheless still rather wary of huge volumes of work being carried out by bots with no human checking. The problem is, of course, that there's no record on the talk pages of what has been created by bots as compared to what has been added by a human editor. I do nevertheless concede that most of Ser Amantio's work seems appropriate. I just thought it might be useful to bring up quality vs quantity considerations in this case.--Ipigott (talk) 07:07, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Ipigott, tag them and review them when you can; to me, that's the key. Plus "Rome wasn't built in a day." . Just don't want to miss anyone. Glad to hear you're working on Finnish biographies. I continue working on the WPWW assessments, which means that I'm also adding other WikiProject templates to the articles I'm reviewing as often, some should be there but are missing. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
I've actually been doing quite a bit of work on assessments recently. I've now covered all the unassessed articles on the wikiprojects for all the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden) and, of course, Luxembourg. I'm thinking of covering WP Feminism next. In all these cases, I come across a fair number of "Women writers" too, usually requiring "destubbing" or more positive assessment. So one thing leads to another. Every little helps.--Ipigott (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Ipigott, that is great! And yes, every improvement helps a bit. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:25, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Alice Leal Pollock

Got another name for you, if you're interested. :-) More early twentieth century than late nineteenth, but she could be interesting.

I've been chewing over the List of premieres at the Metropolitan Opera off and on, intending to get to filling in some of the last redlinks, and in the process noticing how many of the world-premiere works, in particular, seem to have had women librettists. One piece which has been written up is Henry Hadley's Cleopatra's Night, whose librettist was Alice Leal Pollock. I find a couple of mentions of her as both actress and writer on IBDB, but that's about it - I was wondering if you might have any more luck.

No rush - just thought it might be of interest when you have a moment. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:14, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Ser Amantio di Nicolao, oh, she is definitely interesting. New York Times obit, which, unfortunately, I can't access. Here is an article about her writing the libretto for Cleopatra's Night; seven mentions here, and here is the full opera. Here she is the author of Mulholland and Wife. Here as an actress in The Concert. Here as the author of The Resemblance. Alice's daughter, Eleanor Pollock Hughes, seems to be a notable editor and has no Wikipedia article, yet.[2][3]. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks - that should be enough for me to cobble together at least a stub later today. (Less the obituary, which I, too, cannot access.)
Fancy a crack at Jutta Bell-Ranske? She wrote the libretto to Hugo's The Temple Dancer, a little humdinger of a number that's on my to-create list. (Not the worst plot among the American operas the Met produced in those years, but not the best, either.) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:17, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Ser Amantio di Nicolao, another interesting one, this Jutta Bell / Jutta Mordt Bell / Jutta Bell-Ranske / Jutta (Mordt) Bell Ranske. Alternate names plus various birth/death years here (1862?-1934) and here (1857?-1934). Five mentions in this book, but biography is on page 18. Another biography on page 85, of which I can only see 2.5 sentences. There's an obit on page 14, which I can't access... maybe you'll have better luck. She's the author of 4 books listed here. The full book, Voice and Nerve Control is here, plus here is a review of it. She's also the author of: Passing Guests: a drama comedy in 3 acts[4], He is Coming: play in 1 act[5], Sylvelin: a play in 3 acts[6], and The revelation of man[7]. I bet there's more on her if her alternate names are googled but I only tried Jutta Bell-Ranske. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:53, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Ah...I wondered why the name seemed so familiar. I suspect I'd heard it in connection with Delius once or twice, without putting two and two together. Thanks - that should definitely shore up any notability concerns I might have. Though I'll probably leave her aside until I write the article on the opera.
Speaking of which - Hugo has got to be the most obscure composer the Met ever commissioned. Apart from what's contained in our article, I have found scant-to-no mention of him anywhere else, save that he was married, had a son, and is buried in Bridgeport, Connecticut. I'd love to hear something of his performed someday, but I doubt it'll happen any time soon.
Incidentally, along the lines of this conversation: someone recently posted a read-through of a song by Eleanor Everest Freer on YouTube. I've long been curious about her work, but this marks the first time I've ever heard any of it. Fascinating the things that keep turning up as the internet grows and grows... --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:08, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Ser Amantio di Nicolao... it is lovely. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:17, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
She wrote eleven operas, which I would love to reexamine; she and Mary Carr Moore are at the top of my list of to-be-resurrected composers, if I can ever find a university music department willing to go along with me. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

July
pale globe-thistle above the Rhine

Great cat! Today is a birthday, of a great woman born in the 19th century, just - as so many at the time - not notable by Wikipedia standards, - flowers and music and memory, - good song about the year at its height even on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda Arendt. But to my dismay, I can't sort it out, so I need your help. Who is she? And yes, oh yes, so many great women are not considered notable by Wikipedia standards when in fact, they are notable indeed. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
She is a relative, just a little private celebration ;) - Some male family members made it to prominence, such as her husband's brother's son. - Did you know that she kind of wrote art history, because she was the one who talked Anna Helming's parents into letting the girl study art? I am proud to own an early masterpiece ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, cool! It's a glorious summer day where I am. Hope it's lovely where you are, too. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:43, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, same here. I should go out ;) - I wrote about the church where we sang her Requiem, Anna and I and many others. And now I couldn't go to Anna's because of the restrictions ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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13 years

Back in 2007 at Talk:Lena Pedersen we were discussing her being married to Red Pedersen. Their grandson was just elected as MLA and it reminded me to go look for a cite for the marriage, which I finally found. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 20:40, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

CambridgeBayWeather, thanks for letting me know, and glad that issue is finely resolved. I still think about Red Pedersen and Stephen Angulalik from time to time... what life was like for them way back when. Interesting to know that Red and Lena's grandson is now an MLA; good for him! --Rosiestep (talk) 21:29, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
The reference is a autobiography of Abe Okpik and looks interesting. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq
CambridgeBayWeather, that's definitely a book I would read it if it were available, but unfortunately, not online, or on Amazon, or Internet Archive, or a US library (according to Worldcat). Megalibrarygirl, any chance you have access to We call it survival : the life story of Abraham Okpik? --Rosiestep (talk) 23:07, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Abebooks.com has it. Schazjmd (talk) 23:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh, very cool, Schazjmd; thanks for the find. If Megalibrarygirl strikes out, I'll buy it from Abebooks. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
It is online. That's how I found it. It's hosted by http://www.traditional-knowledge.ca/ and they seem legit based on who is funding them. The book is at http://www.traditional-knowledge.ca/english/pdf/We-Call-It-Survival-E.pdf CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 23:26, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
CambridgeBayWeather, I owe you. I am going to start reading it now. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:55, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Tohono Oʼodham

There's a rather fascinating Tohono Oʼodham fellow called Joe Lewis I've been meaning to make an article on. Have to search using the name "Papago" for the tribe to find the references, which I don't love doing, but plenty of sources I'm planning to compile. Don't suppose you'd be interested in looking it over? It'll be my first article in some time. We also have a gorgeous photo of a Tohono O'odham woman named Luzi, but I'm guessing we don't have enough written text on her to do more than spread the photo. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 06:50, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Adam Cuerden, absolutely; I'd be glad to look it over. I'm adding links (Jose Lewis / Jose Lewis Brennan) here but please ping me, too, in case I'm distracted with other things. As for Luzi, in a quick search, I couldn't find anything about her except for that photograph, but perhaps you'll stumble onto something when researching Jose. Buena suerte! --Rosiestep (talk) 14:29, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't suppose you have J-STOR access? All the libraries are closed here at the moment. https://www.jstor.org/stable/480403?seq=1 would help a lot. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 00:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Adam Cuerden, (talk page watcher) You can access JSTOR immediately through Wikipedia Library Card Platform (along with a lot of other sources). Schazjmd (talk) 00:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)


Forum for identifying silent-era movie stills?

Dorothy Gish with friend
MovieStillGishOConnorLoos

Greetings Rosiestep —

I'm wondering if you know of a forum for group assistance in identifying what's in some movie stills from the silent era? I have a number of stills from the estate of my great aunt, Mary H. O'Connor. Some of these have partial labeling, which might allow full identification from knowledgeable folks. (Others have no labeling, and I assume would be pretty difficult to identify.)

One example is shown at the right. The back of this has a penciled note, "Dorothy Gish," and nothing more. I wonder if some experts might identify the movie or approximate date.

Another example is also at-right. The back of the photo is annotated: "Gish," "Mary," "Anita Loos." It's tempting to think it's a behind-the-scenes image from Intolerance, with D.W. Griffith in the center of the picture. But I don't know enough history to decide. (And the "Gish" looks more like Dorothy than Lillian, despite the latter being credited.)

Thanks for any ideas you or others might have about group-effort identification. KKelvinThompson (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi KKelvinThompson, and thanks for stopping by. Wow, very cool that you have access to those images. Some thoughts: Ask at WikiCommons. Ask at WP:WikiProject Film. And maybe a pagestalker has more ideas? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:42, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

✅ Done. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Outreach — thanks again! KKelvinThompson (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

It won't help for every film given the lost films from the era, but for something like Intolerance, we could probably judge it by watching the film in question. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 20:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Adam Cuerden! I may try watching Intolerance on YouTube. Also, I did finally upload that candidate image, and updated my previous text above. KKelvinThompson (talk) 21:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Mary Louise Booth

Is that last section a quote? It reads very Victorian, but it's not marked as a quote. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 00:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden, There's a lot of PD content in the article which would benefit from a good edit to sound less Victorian. I'll put it on my to-do list.
And now done, including quite a bit of trimming. Would appreciate any insights as to better phrasing? --Rosiestep (talk) 01:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
You've done a really good job on this, Rosie. Looks to me like a deserving candidate for GA. I had never heard of her before but she was certainly influential in her day. The article also shows how her translated French works contributed to patriotism during the American Civil War. That was also new to me. What do you think, Susun?--Ipigott (talk) 11:39, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree Ipigott There are a few instances where it is obvious that citations are missing, but if you add those, I think it should be nominated. Well done Rosie! SusunW (talk) 13:17, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ipigott and SusunW:, thank you for thinking it's such a nice article! As you might be aware, I haven't worked on GA candidates for years so I'm not sure that I understand what all needs to be done, but I'll add more inline sources in the next few days. Your guideance is appreciated. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:19, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I can help out with any further copy-editing if you think it would be useful. Once you've taken care of the refs, we can probably just nominate it and see what comes out of the review. I think Alanna the Brave might also be willing to lend a hand.--Ipigott (talk) 15:30, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Can do -- I'll take a look later today and see if I can contribute. Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:58, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
That would be appreciated, Ipigott. Thanks for offering. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that the article might also be relevant to wp Military History. Would you agree, Gog the Mild? Women's influence in American military history seems too often to be sadly forgotten.--Ipigott (talk) 15:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm hip deep reviewing Gloria Swanson's GA nomination, but it looks like you're in good hands, Rosie. If you need me, just ping and I'll try to help. SusunW (talk) 17:40, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For all the assessments of women writer articles that you have been doing.

Coolabahapple (talk) 01:41, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Rosie, you would be surprised how many of us keep track of pretty well everything you do on a day-to-day basis. The assessment work is important and useful. I hope it will inspire others to follow in your footsteps.--Ipigott (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, I would be surprised, Ipigott. And, of course, I agree with you that the assessment work is important and useful. Thanks for being so encouraging; it made my day! :) --Rosiestep (talk) 23:44, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Help User_talk:Nightenbelle

I am here to ask for help as an alternative to creating even more drama about this at ANI because I still think it needs resolution. You look so busy, I don't know how you have time for this, but I am in a quandry, so I am asking anyway. I opened a discussion at DNR and I got confused when part of the discussion was overlooked and the DNR closed. I went to the mediator and asked her about it. The discussion at DNR has since been reopened, but the discussion with the moderator went to Hell in a handbasket quickly. Here is the entire archived discussion from her talk page: [8] I remain confused about how and why this happened. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jenhawk777, and thanks for stopping by. However, I'm not best-suited to help with this. There may be some people who are at WP:WikiProject Women in Red and/or WP:WikiProject Women, so you might want to consider posting your request for Help on those talkpages. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you anyway. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:25, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

August

August
Sunflowers in Walsdorf

A first for me today: a featured list (= a featured topic in this case) on the Main page, see Wikipedia:Main Page history/2020 August 21, an initiative by Aza24 in memory of Brian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations, @Gerda and Aza. And thank you for the nice photo of sunflowers. Whenever I see sunflowers, I smile; they are so cheerful. So this is quite welcome today given that I'm finally back home after being evacuated due to one of the 2020 California wildfires. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
I was just thinking about you, Rosie, while reading about those terrible fires. I'm glad to hear you're back home and hope the danger is over. Enjoy your Sunday.--Ipigott (talk) 09:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, @Ian. This month was the first time in my life that I experienced a Mandatory Evacuation Order. A bit disconcerting -we had 10 minutes notice to pack and drive away- and not something I'll soon forget. For the moment, my neighborhood is out of danger but the thick smoke covering much of Northern California prohibits us/everyone from spending any time outdoors in what would otherwise be a nice summer day. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:12, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
I guess I would have said more than "a bit disconcerting"! How are things now? - If you are in the mood for deadly dancing: :: Rhythm Is It! - I expanded that stub on my dad's birthday because we saw the film together back then, and were impressed. As a ref said: every educator should see it. Don't miss the trailer, for a starter. - A welcome chance to present yet another article by Brian on the Main page, Le Sacre du printemps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt Thanks for asking. The fire in my town is out and the air quality is improving every day. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

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September

September
Dahlias in Walsdorf

I like today's Main page, with the TFA on the anniversary day (of both dedication and our concert), a DYK, and a great photographer who didn't make it soon enough, Jürgen Schadeberg, - more on my talk, mostly about the tribute to Brian who shared his sources. - Love the cat ready to jump! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Nice! And what a pretty dahlia, Gerda Arendt. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
In contrast: matching colours music to the Dahlias, "brute loud and secretly quiet". - The music (specifically "Meermenschen") was given to me for my birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, nice; and Happy Birthday (though I don't know when it was). By the way, you've mentioned dahlias and sunflowers. I wonder if you have thoughts on Zinnias? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:03, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
I love Zinnias but they are not frequently seen here. - If you click on "September" I guess you'll find out when the day was. In the lovely list of places and songs, I slowly work through the red links. Two of the places were pictured on the Main page, and several songs appeared in DYK, - most - thank goodness - had articles already. A lasting virtual celebration! I don't want to give too many personal details but can say that the two who gave me Meermenschen were part of the exquisite group of the six closest who actually met on the day, followed by several other small group get-togethers later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt I should have given more context; yes. I love Zinnias and wondered if you were fond of them and if they were special to you, too. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:36, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Daisies are most special to me, as you may have seen - the first entry, I gave myself ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt Daisys, zinnias... we are in the same family. :) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:28, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Homespun movement

I heard a rumor that you like to write about women's history/fashion. While working on Elizabeth Willing Powel (about to be an FA), I discovered an overlooked subject. I wonder if you would be interested in helping me expand it beyond a stub I created. I have to admit the subject is well outside my area of interest (biographies). --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 00:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Aha! So you read the WaPo article, Coffeeandcrumbs. :) Indeed I created Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the fashion industry, and also, way back when, The Kate effect, now a redirect. But I'm really no expert about fashion or its history. More to the point, since the pandemic, I've not done much wiki work except reviewing and updating talkpage ratings for articles within the scope of WP:WPWW. Maybe a page stalker would have some interest in expanding Homespun movement? By the way, congratulations on the (about to be) FA! That is truly an admirable achievement. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
I was interested to see Elizabeth Willing Powel now seems well on its way to reaching FA after a long, detailed list of suggestions. I found Tagishsimon's contributions to the review particularly perceptive and beneficial. I've looked at Homespun movement but it's not really my field of interest. In any case, it would be more appropriate to have it researched by an American, perhaps SusunW or Megalibrarygirl if they are not too busy. It could also be brought to the attention of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Textile Arts, a wikiproject which is still surprisingly active.--Ipigott (talk) 10:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm focusing on working on Wiki articles about women's suffrage in all the states right now. The centennial celebration has given me a lot of sources to work with! I'm also helping local history buffs with various projects. It's good stuff, but kind of frying my brain (even more than usual). Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:13, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm trying to work my way through the OUP Dictionary of Afro-Caribbean Biography, but I keep being pulled into other articles. I'll add it to my list, but not sure when I will have time. SusunW (talk) 22:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
@SusunW and Megalibrarygirl: Don't worry about it. We can't follow up on everything that comes up. I've posted it on the talk page of wp Textile Arts and hope that sooner or later someone will follow up on it. And that seems to have led to more interest in WiR with a proposal on our ideas page that we cover textile artists in November.--Ipigott (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
I noticed that, too, on our Ideas page, @Ipigott, Megalibrarygirl, and SusunW -- focusing on textile artisans in November. It'll be our first time working with WikiProject Textile Arts, and there are already two redlists (textile artists; textile designers). --Rosiestep (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Good deal. I'll be happy to work on textiles and collaborating with Textile Arts should be fun. SusunW (talk) 16:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Support aspired

Hi bae profound greetings, This time I appeal for your support. Can you do so on [9]. I may nominate you as well if you wish.

Regards,

SHISHIR DUA 17:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


More photos for consideration

Laura Don

Hi @Adam: as I continue my review of women writer biographies, and updating their talkpage templates if appropriate, I came across Laura Don. There's a striking photo in the article, which might benefit from some technical improvements. So I thought of you. Of course, if you're busy with other things, no worries. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:26, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Florence Auer
Florence Auer is another one that might interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Will have a look. Auer is a particularly damaged one (and not the most flattering), but I should at least be able to improve it. Don is gorgeous; I just wish the NYPL was a bit freer with the high-res images. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 21:09, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Slightly upped resolution on Laura Don; not sure it needs anything more; it's stunningly preserved. Adding Auer to the list. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 21:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, @Adam, regarding the Don picture. It is lovely and flattering. Indeed, Auer is the opposite: quite unflattering. My yin and yang contribution for this Sunday. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:03, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Trying to decide if playing "Well, it's probably before 1925..." is good enough for the lovely images of Auer on the NYPL. I mean, they show a young adult woman, who's clearly pretty young, but they're undated. I wouldn't say they're a woman over 45, but what level of proof do I need? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 06:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi Pharos, do you know how to sort out photo dates for images on the NYPL website? (CC: Adam Cuerden) --Rosiestep (talk) 13:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Adam Cuerden: When I come across old portraits with the photographer's name at bottom and frequently an additional frame, I usually crop off the name and the frame as I seem to remember reading somewhere that names and captions should not be included. In the case of Laura Don, I see this has not been done. Have I been introducing errors? Any advice on this?--Ipigott (talk) 08:44, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
  • There's a difference between something like a cabinet card or something else that has been part of the image for a hundred years and a mark added a century later in a computer (and CERTAINLY NOT to massacre the edges of an engraving so that it can never be reprinted in its original appearance). The policy is for the latter. Now, that's not to say one should never consider cropping: for example, a lot of military photos get mounted onto a paper with a bit of information about them. It's awkward and ugly, so it's better to copy the text and crop it.
Also, always upload the originals, and upload the crop as a derivative, because I've seen a lot of crops where it might make sense with the damaged image, but it prevents the damage from ever being fixed. For instance, consider the lead for Hazel MacKaye. Since I had the original, I could painstakingly fix the damage to the bottom of her dress, and thus get much better composition, whereas had it been cropped, it might have been better shortterm, but there would be no chance for it to be fixed.
Sources go offline all the time. It might not matter much with a Library of Congress TIFF, but if you modify something from an auction house, or a website, or even some sites that currently allow downloads but might stop, it's vital that you upload the original too. A lot of old cylinder recordings were once available, but the unrestored files they didn't claim copyright on are now pulled behind a paywall, for instance, and there are numerous other examples where once-freely-downloadable content has disappeared. So ALWAYS upload the originals. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 21:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Adam Cuerden. Now I understand. I should have asked long ago. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:51, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
This one of Auer was published in 1911 and is on the NY Public Library page. There may be others, but it's late and I am calling it a night. Adam Cuerden I'm happy to look for others if you like tomorrow. SusunW (talk) 05:38, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Documented and uploaded! Thanks, Susun! Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 23:00, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

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