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Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive

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Deletion of the Devel Sixteen Article

Please , If the article does not provide suitable citations, edit the article and provide with more info. It will benifit all the car lovers. The citations mentioned were the only citations that I could find on the net. Please take my kind request to consideration. Wabbittttt (talk) 15:45, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

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AfC question - histmerge?

I've reviewed Draft:Rogue Planet (Star Trek: Enterprise) and am happy to accept it (it's substantially changed since the AfD and evidences notability) but I gather from your comment there that the page histories of the redirect and the draft need merging. What's the technical procedure to do that? Should I mark the draft as accepted in any way? Should I tag the redirect with {{History merge}} and an explanation? — Bilorv (talk) 00:18, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Bilorv - In looking it over, a history merge is not required, but an annoying complicated round-robin move is needed. Do you want me to accept it while moving the former redirect to draft space? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Yep, if you could that'd be great. — Bilorv (talk) 10:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Bilorv - Done. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Brilliant, cheers. — Bilorv (talk) 08:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Rogue Planet

Thank you for moving Rogue Planet out of draft space. Thank you for also taking the time to rate it as C class. I made a few small edits, housekeeping to remove some of the DRAFT framework, hope that's all okay.

Is it possible to keep the previous Talk page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Rogue_Planet_(Star_Trek:_Enterprise)
If it is too much hassle, I can always link back to it, and repeat any comments I think might still be relevant.

Thanks again. -- 109.76.132.93 (talk) 02:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Spam: Draft:Javier Iturriaga del Campo

I have considerably improved Gral. Iturriaga's article with history and sources. Please, review it.

Greetings. --Carigval.97 (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Feed back Request: Draft:Revathi Pillai

Dear Robert McClenon,

I have modified the draft by incorporating all the suggestions that you have provided yesterday. The tone of the article has been changed to formal and neutral. I have added two more reliable references. I have tried my best to improve the draft, please have a look. It will be great to have your feedback before resubmission.

Thanks and Regards Ashish.viswanath (talk) 09:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft :Pir Syed Mohammad Kaleem Ahmad Khursheed

Hi Need help to improve this draft SidraRanaAdv (talk) 19:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Future film drafts notability clarification

I've seen that you have declined the drafts for Draft:The Addams Family 2, but your reasoning is unjust, as is with Draft:Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2021 film). It features reliable sources and even contains popular IPs which should increase it's notability. I believe you are judging their notability beyond the upcoming films criteria. Films that have already been released but don't have pages are subject to more strict guidelines such as needing notable reception, which is impossible to apply to upcoming films thus making every upcoming film impossible to become an article. I believe you should take another look at the notability for articles of future films as I see many reach the criteria. Iamnoahflores (talk) 19:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Iamnoahflores - The guidelines concerning films that have been produced and not released are poorly written. I have been applying the guidelines as they are written, at least based on my reading of them. I am aware that there is at least one other interpretation. I have also been trying from time to time to get the guidelines revised, either to say more clearly what it literally says, or to say what the other group of editors think it says. I am willing to take this discussion back to the film notability talk page yet again, and am willing to send the discussion at the draft talk page back to the film notability talk page. Neither my talk page nor a draft talk page is the right place to discuss a poorly written guideline. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:59, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft review

Thank you for reviewing Draft:Kabiller Prize in Nanoscience and Nanomedicine and providing feedback. I gather that university news sources are not sufficient to establish notability for the award. Would references from Angewandte Chemie, The News & Observer, and Crain's Chicago Business be sufficient? I had originally noted that it is the largest monetary award given for achievement in nanomedicine, which I thought helped to establish the award's notability, but removed it based on a previous editor's note. Appreciate any guidance you can offer. Nanorefs (talk) 19:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Marinduque National High School

Hi @Robert McClenon, this is about your action taken to Marinduque National High School by moving the article to Draft space. The article is notable and provided with reliable sources based on WP:NSCHOOL. And in addition, it is categorized/tagged as {{school-stub}}. If you think it shouldn't be as Wikipedia article, what is your point of view to (Marinduque State College) that remain published as Article with no any citing reliable sources and notable references? Looking forward for your feedback. ThanksFilipinotayo (talk) 08:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Moon Taeil

Hi! What can I do so that my Moon Tae-il draft article gets accepted?

Unsigned Note Moved from Top of Talk Page

Thanks for the suggestions, but neither they are paying me nor they are friends of mine. It is simple, they are making historical success for our country in the global positioning as leaders in production in medical cannabis. Before the business career, mr.Keskovski was succesful athlete who was world karate champion. I do not see the problem that a succesful company from Macedonia that exports solely in EU not to be part of Wikipedia.

Request on 05:27:06, 16 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Moontaeils

• Moontaeils (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Moon Tae-il (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi! What can you recommend so that my article draft gets accepted? Please tell me some tips or specify the parts of the draft that did not pass the criteria and please help me modify it.

Moontaeils (talk) 05:27, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Moontaeils:

1. Read my comments. If you do not understand them, ask for advice at the Teahouse.

2. Read the autobiography policy.

3. Read the musical notability criteria.

4. Read my comments, which say that the draft does not identify which of the musical notability criteria the subject satisfies individually.

5. Read the autobiography policy. I do not plan to rewrite a conflict of interest draft.

Robert McClenon (talk) 15:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 13:44:01, 16 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by MisterTech

• MisterTech (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Click & Grow (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Robert McClenon, thank you for reviewing my AfC submission. On the three points that you have raised:

1. You questioned the notability of the subject but it has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources including being covered multiple times by the BBC, and also by Wired, Znet, San Francisco Chronicle, The Dallas Morning News, TechCrunch, Cnet, The New York Times, Forbes, Engadget, etc
2. You say that "This draft is written from the viewpoint of the company", however it is not. It is written in my own words, for example nowhere does the company describe itself as an "indoor gardening company".
3. You also questioned whether there was a COI, but this was clearly declared when the draft was created https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Click_%26_Grow&oldid=1014871688

Please consider the points raised above.

MisterTech (talk) 13:44, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Is this the right section?

Did you post this in the right section? I ask because there is another section on ANI discussing paid editing and the section you posted to does not mention it. I also don't see a paid editing declaration on the user's page or ridicule of paid editing in the section. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 12:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I've just noticed that too. Should it be in WP:ANI#HOUNDING, TAGBOMBING, etc.? Narky Blert (talk) 14:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, just noticed this myself. Hope it's fine, but I've just moved it now. Magitroopa (talk) 15:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@HighInBC, Narky Blert, and Magitroopa: - Thank you. I may have clicked the wrong section link, or there may have been a race condition issue that I have seen before where, if sections get archived by a bot while you are posting, it is possible for a certain sequence to open the wrong section. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:47, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I've seen that in WP:RFD, where clicking on a section link can lead you to inadvertently post in some other discussion altogether. Narky Blert (talk) 18:10, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I have encountered that too. More often it manifests itself in a "Section not found" screen, but can also dump you in the wrong section. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 22:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

RfC:Pahonia

@Robert McClenon: Hello, you previously stated at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Archive_207#Pahonia that "I will publish the RFC, and it will run for 30 days". The RfC at Talk:Pahonia#RFC: Pahonia was running since 15 June 2021 already, therefore I believe the consensus was already reached as the clear majority supported suggestion A. Can you close the RfC and take actions to the article according to decision of this RfC? -- Pofka (talk) 09:07, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: ? -- Pofka (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: ??? -- Pofka (talk) 15:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Proceedings

Just to say, I do appreciate your work here and I am content that you have taken wp:good faith as a guiding principle in your work which I think is very commendable. Later --Jabbi (talk) 13:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I was mo-o-o-o-o-ved

by your eloquence. You're welcome. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:04, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Jose Perez (actor)

Hi Mr. McClenon,

You were kind enough to review my AfC a while back, and though you declined it, you explained why and gave me good advice for improving it, for which I am very grateful. Unfortunately, I didn't at the time understand that IMDB isn’t a reliable source, so I went through a period of citing more, but not better, sources, and becoming more emphatic instead of better documented, which, of course, caused me NPoV issues.

However, I think I have finally fully and properly addressed the issue(s) that afflicted my original draft and have found several sound secondary sources that clearly indicate Notability and would very much appreciate your feedback as to whether these citations do not meet the threshold required, and any other guidance you would be willing to give me.

(Hopper, Hedda (16 September 1953). "Puerto Rican Youngster [Jose Perez] Gets Part in 'Time of the Cuckoo'". L.A. Times. Retrieved 7 June 2021

Vernon, Terry (Jul 24, 1957). "Ex-Immigrant [Jose Perez] Portrays One in Drama of N.Y." Press-Telegram (Long Beach, California). Retrieved 8 June 2021,

"Jose Perez - An old newcomer makes the grade". The Morning Herald (Hagerstown, Maryland). Mar 23, 1974. Retrieved 8 June 2021

Gardella, Kay (Sep 12, 1973). "James Coco & Jose Perez Add Sparks to CBS Series". Daily News (New York, New York). Retrieved Jun 8, 2021

Holsopple, Barbara (Mar 29, 1974). "Jose Perez Pilots Racing Series; Public TV Speeds to Hill". The Pittsburgh Press (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania). Retrieved 14 June 2021

"JOSE PEREZ GRADUATES". THE SUN TELEGRAM - TV WEEK. Mar 24, 1974. Retrieved 14 June 2021

Gardella, Kay (September 6, 1975). "[Jose] Perez Began New Career at Age 20". Dayton Daily News. Retrieved 7 June 2021

Wagner, Joyce (Aug 13, 1975)"Jose Perez Back to Steady Work". The Kansas City Times. Retrieved 7 June 2021

Miller, Jeanne (Oct 21, 1977). "He [Jose Perez] had to be in prison film". The San Francisco Examiner (San Francisco, California). Retrieved 19 June 2021.

Gardella, Kay (July 16, 1984). "Actor Jose Perez Serves TV Sentence in 'On The Rocks'". Daily News. Tribune Co. Retrieved May 7, 2021

Hastings, Jullianne (July 16, 1984). "Jose Perez reprises role as God". TV World. United Press International. Retrieved May 7, 2021)

Not to mention his award nomination

"ACE: And the nominees are. . ". United Press International. October 9, 1985. Retrieved 11 June 2021

Back when you reviewed my draft, I had not included any of these references, but now that I have, I continue to have it declined on Notability grounds and I am very confused. Is there something I am not understanding about these sources and the acceptability of the information they convey?

Thank you very much for your time. Perrydigm (talk) 00:18, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Mr. McClenon, my most recent reviewer now says his newspaper(dot)com subscription has expired and that he can't access the content of these references. I would greatly appreciate it if you could just take a quick look and see if they are as persuasive as I think they are, or if I'm mistaken and this is a page that just isn't worth creating. Thank you, Perrydigm (talk) 23:57, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Branko Jovanović (2) (July 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Branko Jovanović (2) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Branko Jovanović (2), click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
• If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Robert McClenon (talk) 23:01, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian_politics. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian_politics/Evidence. Please add your evidence by August 6, 2021, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian_politics/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Moneytrees🏝️^{Talk/CCI guide} 18:41, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for taking care of this; for the past 2-3 days I'd been meaning to, but the time just slipped away. Appreciated, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome, User:DoubleGrazing - It turns out to have been a much clearer and more blatant case of sockpuppetry than most, and the AFD has been closed as G5, sockpuppetry. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

My problem was that while it looked ducky, I couldn't find the smoking gun, so dropped it. I'm glad you saw what I didn't. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Spam 3: Draft:Javier Iturriaga del Campo

I have considerably improved Gral. Iturriaga's article with history and sources (It has 23 references). Please, check it. It has been almost two weeks.

Greetings. --Carigval.97 (talk) 12:59, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics/Workshop

I removed what seemed like some old passing votes on your proposed principles, I assumed it was from a different case that you copied it from. CodeLyoko^talk 07:38, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Page on notable China art collector and author

Thank you kindly, Robert, for proposing a better page title. Your proposal for "Tony Miller (art collector)" is much more fitting.

My first time working with disambiguations. Appreciate your help, Campbell.

Rejection of article on Tony Seba

Robert McClenon--

Thank you for reviewing my article on Tony Seba.

It makes only factual claims, each (with a few exceptions) backed up by references to secondary sources. It was rejected as sounding "promotional."

Not sure what to do here. Given the number of secondary sources already cited, "just adding more secondary sources" seems unlikely to overcome the problem, whatever that problem is.

Which of the article's factual claims are deemed "promotional"?

What about those factual claims causes them to be so deemed?

Respectfully, --JimPlamondon (talk) 07:18, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

User:JimPlamondon - First, I did not state that the article was promotional. It had already been nominated for deletion when I looked at it. I was about to tell you to ask User:Riteboke or User:Theroadislong to explain, and I see that you have already asked User:Theroadislong. However, I will add that your style is very non-neutral. If you do not have a conflict of interest, and you say that you do not, then you are simply too enthusiastic about Seba to be able to write neutrally. Perhaps you are not familiar with the formal descriptive tone and style that are used in Wikipedia. If you do not have a conflict of interest, then you are writing as if your objective is to promote Seba, and your tone and style are more promotional than even those of most promotional submitters. I suggest that you ask for advice at the Teahouse. I have no idea whether Seba is notable, and am not capable of assessing his notability because the draft is "in your face". Robert McClenon (talk) 11:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

If you cannot see that your article reads promotionally, then you either are too emotionally involved, or do not understand how to write neutrally for Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Japanese Breakfast and Draft:Michelle Zauner

As per discussion of a merge of the Japanese Breakfast page and the Michelle Zauner draft I've removed the crossover information from the two pages so the former is exclusively about the band and the latter covers Zauner's career as a whole. Zauner is now notable enough outside of Japanese Breakfast to warrant her own page and Japanese Breakfast was already deemed a notable entity on its own. Will you reconsider the rejection of the Michelle Zauner page now there is a notable distinction between the two? Lewishhh (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 19:34:37, 30 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Latro-3

• Latro-3 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Surveillance Studies Network (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for taking the time to review this submission. I appreciate it. While I understand the criterion of organizational notability, I do believe the submission illustrates that through secondary sources in reputable and authoritative venues. Certainly, the submission is supported by many more secondary sources than other notable professional academic associations, such as the American Studies Association, which doesn't appear to have any secondary sources as references. Perhaps professional academic associations are uniquely ill-suited to garner external references, but even if that is so, this submission has more than most. I'd welcome a second look, if you'd be willing, particularly since the previous reviewer User:Locomotive207 said it was "almost ready," and that was before the most recent round of revisions.

Thanks. Latro-3 (talk) 19:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Latro-3 (talk) 19:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

oops

Sorry, I wanted to remove my section, but removed a section not belonging to me. I pasted it back. I'm sorry if I messed things up. I'm new to this, obviously. Ngm 7 (talk) 19:46, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Komito_Analytics

I want to confirm that I have no direct conflict of interest without have any sort of financial or other connection with the subject of this draft regarding this page. I am stuck with having COI but have no advantages from the employer as I not getting paid in cash or any other form like favour or promotion and have 100% neutral POV. I am working as an UI/UX engineer at Datamart in Northern California office, and all the marketing and analytics staff including web analytics are in European offices. I work in the different department, in the different country, and I just use this software for my own projects, which helps me better understand the visitors behavior on a websites I maintain. While writing this article, I have tried my best to maintain a neutral point of view. Carolyn Hodges (talk) 20:20, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Jalaledin Moayerian

Hi Robert,

First of all let me thank you for your time to review my Draft "Jalaledin Moayerian" and sorry if it appears contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia which was unintentional. As you know this is my first article and your advices would be helpful for me to know the reason of rejection of this submission.

Meanwhile, it would be appreciated if you could answer my questions below to improve my knowledge about Wikipedia articles to avoid similar mistakes in the future.

1. I have been advised to blow up and start over my draft. Could you please let me know how I can blow up the existing draft.

2. Please let me know which phrases / sentences of my draft are contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia to be deleted/amended in the next revision.

3. I have been considered as a close connection with this subject due to my surname. Is it permitted by Wikipedia if I create another account 'with an unknown username' and submit this draft to avoid the conflict of interest which was mentioned in the note provided by another reviewer.

Your anticipated attention is highly appreciated. Best regards, --Aria Moayerian (talk) 17:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Aria Moayerian - I do not plan to rewrite a draft for you. I have a question for which a straight answer is required. Are you related to the subject of the draft? I will not answer the question about changing your user account name until you answer the question. I will not answer how to start your draft over until you answer the question. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I did not say that certain phrases in your draft are contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Submitting multiple drafts is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Failing to declare a conflict of interest is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia.

Robert McClenon (talk) 22:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Robert, Yes, the subject of the draft is my uncle. He lives in Iran and I am an Engineer living in Canada. I could provide my LinkedIn profile just to make sure that there is not any conflict of interest in between. I just noticed there was not any article about him in Wikipedia though he is a well known person in Iran as a makeup artist so, I tried to write a draft. Since Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia and welcomes any user to add value to it so, I just as a simple user decided to participate to issue this article based on the published reliable sources. It would be highly appreciated if you could advise me what action would be the best for having this article in Wikipedia. Thanks, Aria Moayerian Aria Moayerian (talk) 23:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Aria Moayerian - Wikipedia takes conflict of interest seriously. Your idea of changing your username in order to conceal the conflict of interest was contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. I suggest that you ask for advice at the Teahouse, but you need to be forthright about your conflict of interest. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:52, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I already asked them for advice and they suggested you as a Wikipedia veteran. It seems it is a closed loop. Aria Moayerian (talk) 00:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I asked for advice in Wikiproject AFC/ help dest as below and got different answer. It seems they don’t know the reason of rejection by you and provided some advices which makes me confused. Could you please have a look at the discussion below and advise me. 16:55:28, 31 July 2021 review of submission by Aria here is the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk?markasread=224286535&markasreadwiki=enwiki#16:55:28,_31_July_2021_review_of_submission_by_Aria_Moayerian Aria Moayerian (talk) 10:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Hans-Peter Wipplinger

Hi Robert. Re Draft:Hans-Peter Wipplinger and Draft:Hans-Peter Wipplinger(2), do you think one of these should be deleted? Normally I would help on a draft like this. However I am unsure which file is the one to edit. --- Possibly ☎ 06:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Possibly - It appears that they are the same or almost the same, and the history indicates that they are both translations from the German, which further indicates that they are probably the same. I would suggest redirecting the unsubmitted one to the one that has been submitted. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Possibly - I've redirected the second draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

thanks. I had not thought of redirect! --- Possibly ☎ 21:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Possibly - Redirecting of drafts, either to articles or to almost identical drafts, is more often in order than deleting them. At Miscellany for Deletion, we sometimes get requests to delete drafts because there is already an article, and the draft is usually speedily redirected instead. It is often a good idea to think of redirect when dealing with drafts. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Switch On

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Switch_On Hi Robert,

I am wondering why the draft Switch On keeps getting rejected. I have updated the citation of it from a legitimate source that was listed on Article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea/Reliable_sources) and the Korean Herald is also included in the citation which is pretty much like the NYTimes is the US. I have added the track listing along with the composers and lyricist. Since the album only came out yesterday in South Korea, there are no official charting yet so that has not been added. I did ask for advice and they said that it's because of the source which Naver is not reliable and I have changed it since then. Is there any other reasons why this keeps getting rejected since I have constantly updated the citation to make it more legitimate and have reviewed the notability music article and have tried following the article.

Lilylovesreading19 (talk) 18:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Lilylovesreading19 - See my comments at the Teahouse. Wait until the album charts. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:03, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:2021-22 North American Winter

Hi Robert, When do you think I should submit the Draft for the 2021-22 North American winter page and also is there a way to make it go back to my user page so it would not have risk of being deleted. Wikihelp7586 (talk) 02:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Wikihelp7586 - You don't need to worry about deletion, at least not for inactivity. A draft is deleted if it is inactive for six months. In six months, it will be winter in North America. I advise you to update the draft when predictions are made about the severity of the winter, based on such considerations as El Nino Southern Oscillation. In the meantime, you can edit articles on the winter in the Southern Hemisphere or the summer in the Northern Hemisphere, including tropical storms in the Northern Hemisphere. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay thank you Robert. Wikihelp7586 (talk) 05:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

RfC closed

• Talk:Pahonia#RFC:_Pahonia

Just an fyi that the rfc is closed. - jc37 16:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Laurence Myers

The article, Laurence Myers or Lawrence Myers, as his name was also spelt, is currently waiting to be published. It not the same Laurence Eugene 'Lon' Myers that was an athlete.

The article I have been working on is about an iron foundry owner and inventor. When I submitted it for review, a redirect immediately came up to 'Laurence Eugene 'Lon' Myers. How can this redirect be canceled ? Thanks!

Vedlagt (talk) 08:36, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Vedlagt - Yes. We know. Take a careful look at the notice declining your draft. Do you notice something about the reason your draft has been declined? Your draft has not been declined, and is waiting for review. If and when the draft is approved, the reviewer will, depending on what their privileges are, either: delete the redirect to accept the draft; move the redirect aside to accept the draft, and request that the redirect be deleted; tag the redirect to be deleted so that the draft can be accepted. Just wait for a review of the draft. We know that there are two different people. This is a common situation. We know. Just wait for a review of the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, I copied the format and tone of three different articles including Monday.com and Asana. I have included sources outside the company pages and I disclosed on my user profile that I am editing on behalf of a customer. I am thus unsure why I am being refused and flagged for immediate deletion?

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User:ReneGetItDone - First, copying the format and tone of different articles is not always useful. See Other Stuff Exists. Second, it appears that you may have tried to create a user page that violated our policies and guidelines, and your user page was tagged for deletion by User:Jusdafax and deleted by User:Fastily. I have not seen your user page, and cannot see it, because it was deleted, and so I cannot comment on it. It may have read like a biography of a living person rather than like a user page, and may have itself read promotionally. So, third, at the time that you submitted your drafts, you did not have a declaration of paid status. However, your drafts would have been declined with or without a declaration of paid status, because I declined for being non-neutral. I declined them, and did not reject them. That means that you can resubmit them, but they will declined again if they are still non-neutral. You may ask any more questions at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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DRN discussion close

Apologies for bothering you, am I still allowed to submit a new dispute here? Sorry I forgot about pinging the other uses. I understand the talk page is veeery long - it was productive for about two weeks but then we hit an impasse. The 3O statement is shorter but ultimately we didn't get anywhere. Do you think I could still try with a shorter statement or should I attempt some other place? It's mostly because I think at this point only third parties could help. Thank you. FelipeFritschF (talk) 06:48, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

User:FelipeFritschF - You are allowed to submit a new statement, with proper notice. I think that you and the other users would be better off actually to take a break from the topic for a few days, but that is only my opinion. I think that you would be best off to try discussing the topic on the article talk page in short paragraphs, and see where that gets. If you come right back to DRN and are still as verbose as you have been, the moderator will spend the first week just collapsing your posts and telling you that they are too long, didn't read. So try being concise. It might help without the need for a moderator. Then come back if necessary. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes, we've been discussing it for a long while but it's been unproductive, that's why I wanted outside input and/or editing. FelipeFritschF (talk) 20:04, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I wasn't able to use Talk:Kaworu Nagisa/DRN and noticed you requested a deletion. It'll probably take me a few more days due to lack of time but I'll still go ahead for the RfC eventually. Thanks again. FelipeFritschF (talk) 02:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I have an OK draft there for the RfC there. Take your time if need to, thanks again. FelipeFritschF (talk) 01:49, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your fast response. I'll take a look. FelipeFritschF (talk) 02:30, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

I still haven't had the time to reformulate it again but I still intend to go for that RfC. Just to show I haven't forgotten, I suppose, but as far as I can tell there's no time limit proper. I assume I'll still have to go though you when I'm able to make another draft. Thanks for your attention anyway and sorry to bother you. FelipeFritschF (talk) 04:18, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I have been very busy but I noticed this section was about to be archived. Moved it back down as I still intend to start a RfC at least before the new film releases internationally which will mean a lot of views an a lot of editing in all related articles. Sorry for the inconvenience. FelipeFritschF (talk) 03:55, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I understand I'm coming 3 months late and I apologize, but later this week the final film is releasing internationally later today and thanks to its commercial success I can expect massive editing and vandalism, having already seen lots of it here and on the wikia/fan wikis even after a Japan-only release - this has greatly taken my time these months, besides getting the article for the film ready. You had previously mentioned the possibility of partially blocking the editor, and I fear after the many past unproductive discussions this might be inevitable, just like my idea for an RfC might be unproductive due to the imminent chaos. As such, I'd like to ask if that is still a possibility. Thank you. FelipeFritschF (talk) 06:04, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I understand I'm probably being annoying and my tardiness isn't helping. If you don't think a block is applicable anymore, please notify me if you can. Thank you. FelipeFritschF (talk) 20:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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Is there currently a problem? If there is currently a problem, report it at the vandalism noticeboard if it is vandalism, strictly defined, or at WP:ANI if it is any other sort of disruptive editing. I haven't been looking. Is there currently a problem? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I see editing, but I don't see anything that appears to be disruptive. If you think that there is disruptive editing, you can request semi-protection. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, this happened a while ago, I'll explain myself better. After waiting a while I made the edits I discussed again, and linked to the DRN page the other editor had not participated in. Once more I was reverted without discussion and against consensus, including a source I had asked about. I mentioned this at the time, and you told me to either make an RFC or you'd file a request at WP:ANI to partially block the editor from the page. I now have reason to believe the RfC will be unproductive after a few more uncooperative run-ins and repeated incidents in related articles due to heightened passions here and elsewhere following the new film, which I'm also fairly busy handling, so I don't think I should try writing an RfC again - and the editor will probably ignore it again. I did consider before that the ANI request might become unavoidable and I think that's the case now.

The article itself isn't being disrupted, so I'm not asking for it to be protected as a whole, nor for a general block to the editor. Just a WP:PB for the editor from that article like was previously offered. FelipeFritschF (talk) 01:47, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

User:FelipeFritschF - First, I am not an administrator and cannot partially block an editor. That will need to be requested at WP:ANI, and you haven't made a case that an administrator, reading about the dispute for the first time, would consider a basis for a sanction. You need to provide background information, not to assume that the admins already know what you are discussing. Second, you haven't explained why an RFC will be unproductive. You won't know that until you have tried it. Do you want help with an RFC? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

I understand providing background information for the administrators would be necessary, however as you mentioned: "First, User:FelipeFritschF can identify the edits that they want to make, and then an RFC can be used to approve the edits. An RFC is binding, and establishes consensus. Second, I can fail the dispute resolution, and then we can file a request at WP:ANI that User:TeenAngels1234 be partially blocked" and "In either case, they may notify me on my talk page, and I am willing to assist with an RFC if one is requested, or to support a request for a partial block if there is further reverting without discussing."

I chose the first option at the time but I don't think I can try it again after some additional problems, so I assumed a request could still be filed by you to close the matter, presumably citing the DRN discussion (which was preceded by others). Is that still possible? I can explain my reasons if you need. Thanks again, and again sorry I could only come back to the matter late. FelipeFritschF (talk) 05:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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User:FelipeFritschF - I don't understand. I have looked at the article, and I do not see an active content dispute that requires an RFC, let alone a dispute that requires administrative action. Who do you want blocked and why? What is the content dispute? Why is it no longer feasible to use an RFC? Stop apologizing for being late, and just explain what the current issue is about article content. If you can't explain, I will begin to wonder whether you are the problem. Don't apologize and say that you will go away. Tell me what the problem is. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

I had a content dispute since February. I tried talking it out for months, asked for outside input and at WP:3O, then I went to the DRN noticeboard after multiple reverts without discussion or even in spite of consensus in some areas. A few more weeks at DRN, you had closed the case as failed because he didn't participate at all, and told me either start a RFC - I did that after some time (I have been busy dealing with related articles, in other wikis also), but you told me it'd need to be redone. This was in April-May. Because of the new film release this week, I wanted to do the edits again but I expect to be reverted without discussion for the 4th time. The reason I don't want to try a RFC again is because it'd be to discuss these points that had already been decided on by other editors and ignored by the editor. I think it'd be redundant. And I'd like to get it resolved ASAP because of this film release and all the views it motivates. Since you told me you could file a request for his PB at the time, I wanted to go with that option now. FelipeFritschF (talk) 23:17, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

User:FelipeFritschF - I don't understand. I don't see a current content dispute. Apparently you have badly misconstrued my advice, which may be my fault for having given advice that was capable of being misconstrued. My advice had to do with an ongoing content dispute where an editor is reverting without discussing, after reasonable effort by one party to discuss. At least I thought that was what I was trying to say. I did not mean to be implying that you could request a permit to bypass discussion and have an editor partially blocked for something that happened a few months ago. I don't even see where the other editor has edited recently, and I don't see that you are beiong reverted. You should either be bold and make the edits first, or discuss the edits first. You don't get to sanction the other editor first. I apologize for not having said that you wouldn't get to sit in the background and then pop up with a Get Out of Discussion Free card. Either try discussing, or try editing, or explain in more detail what you think the current offense is. And when you do explain, I will probably say to try discussing or to try editing. Maybe I don't understand. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:54, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

I've expressed myself poorly, sorry. Please don't think I am trying to avoid discussion, this is the same editor, over the same content dispute from a few months ago, reverting the same things discussed on the talk page, agreed by third parties, a RFC on a source, a WP:3O and then brought over to the DRN, which he ignored. I detailed all of this in the the DRN case, and just before it was closed as a failure I tried to make just some of the edits again hoping he might understand the point I'm trying to make and he reverted me yet again with no discussion. I did that again yesterday, same thing, and all the discussion is still there. This is the 5th time at least, since he even got to a 3RR once. I see even some IP user made one of these removals again - probably thanks to the increased views, and he got reverted too. I already tried editing and discussing to no avail - I'm not asking for a PB out of the blue, this is the same possibility you mentioned at the time. FelipeFritschF (talk) 00:51, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

User:FelipeFritschF - I have moved this discussion to your talk page, User talk:FelipeFritschF. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:54, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

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Hello, @Robert McClenon: Since June 2021, I've considerably improved the Draft:Javier Iturriaga del Campo according the General notability guideline (GNG). It has 23 references supported by enough reliable sources that verifies Iturriaga's relevance during the Chilean Social Outbreak. Even the article also includes refeferences from far-left or centre-right newspapers, sources used to justify the object of information from the consensus. Wating for your answer, I'll look forward. Carigval.97 (talk) 19:14, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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Greetings, Robert. Forgive me for putting my nose into something that is clearly not my business (and feel free to say just that!), but I'm genuinely curious: how come you aren't an admin? Has nobody really ever thought of putting your name forward? Or has this been tried, but just didn't pass the RfA? I would propose you myself, but a) I don't know the process well enough, and b) in any case, a lowly rank-and-file member like me probably wouldn't improve your prospects much. It just seems that someone with your experience would be an obvious choice. Best, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:19, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

He has ran for adminship twice, but he failed both times. However, his most recent attempt was a few years ago (September 2017)Jackattack1597 (talk) 12:49, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

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Hi. I noticed that you work in accepting and rejecting drafts of pages. In the event of an existing link that is currently a redirect like The Loud House Movie, I was once advised by @BOZ: to propose a history merge like how it was done with Batman: Three Jokers. I am suggesting that the same thing should be done in the event that draft for The Loud House Movie is accepted. Just making a suggestion here. --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:23, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Robert! I just resubmitted this draft right here. I was wondering if you could look at it and whether it's all good to go? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmancheno97 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

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I would appreciate your feedback in the conversation here, if you get the chance.[1] I feel like the conversation is going a bit off of the rails, but I am curious about your opinion. Marshal277 (talk) 05:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Marshal277 - Are you requesting my opinion about the discussion on the article talk page when a request has been made for dispute resolution? If so, I agree that the talk page discussion is lengthy and inconclusive, and that mediation would be useful. However, I generally pay no attention to the previous discussion, because I generally ask the editors to give me short summaries of what the issues are. If you are asking for intervention, wait until I have time to open the DRN discussion, and then we will start over. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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Hello! I am the author of the James E. Stewart draft that you had declined. I had made edits to make it more neutral, but it was declined again. As I'm the only one working on the article, could you point on specific examples in the article that fail to meet Wikipedia guidelines? Thank you!

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Hi, please see WP:GF, as your actions seem to be running in direct contradiction of the policy. Thank you. Koikefan (talk) 05:23, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Koikefan - You are clearly editing in good faith, but you are clearly editing in good faith in either of two ways. You may be editing with a conflict of interest, which is permitted, and you have forgotten until now to declare it; or you may have gotten wrapped around an axle because you think that a descriptive phrase is more important than it actually is, and as a result are acting in a way that, in Wikipedia, is often a sign of a commercial editor. Either you have forgotten to declare your conflict of interest, or you are editing as if you have a conflict of interest when you don't. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

It is not my responsibility to disabuse you of a fantasy that has captured your mind. If you can't provide any evidence that I have a COI (which, again, I already said I do not have) besides "it seems like it," then there really is nothing else to talk about. Insisting on this without any evidence is highly unproductive. Koikefan (talk) 06:01, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

My apologies (re: Tzim78)

I deleted those comments when I saw that a full discussion was already underway on the Administrator page. Tzim78's post on my talk page had led me to believe that they didn't know how to make their "report" and that nothing was happening. It hadn't occurred to me you would be getting e-mails. Again, I'm sorry. As for the rest, I'm very likely wrong, but I'm not confused. Something is different about their edits, other than frequency. I've begun to think it may be something that deserves my sympathy. Anyway, I can assure you, they needn't think about me anymore. WQUlrich (talk) 18:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)