User talk:Narky Blert/2019

2019

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

Thank you for your help last year, and your good wishes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:49, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Prosit Neujahr! Narky Blert (talk) 17:56, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Danke - Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

St Peter's Westcheap

Dear Narky Blert, Thankyou for your admonition of a dab needed for Richard Newcourt, which I have attended to. Sometimes I am lazy and construct articles directly in pagespace rather than Sandbox, specially when there's an existing stub around which to build, rather than just "plumping in" a whole new article in one fell plump. (They always need lots of revising anyway.) I have completely reworked that section anyway this morning. I just wanted to say that I am always very grateful for your vigilant adjustments and corrections to my efforts, which are really extremely helpful when one is in the throes of raking the internet for that elusive reference or titbit, and trying to marshal it all together, and to thank you very much for this and to wish you a very Happy New Year. Season's Greetings, Eebahgum (talk) 14:31, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@Eebahgum:. You're very welcome. Thank you for your speedy resolution of the problem. HNY to you too! Narky Blert (talk) 14:35, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Re:Stewart (name)

Hi Narky Blert, the page Stuart (name) is not a redirect to Stuart (disambiguation). I'm happy to leave an edit summary if justification is sought, and it has been, so no need to take further action at this time. Gherkinmad (talk) 23:47, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Gherkinmad: You are correct. I was repairing a link to Steuart, which is a DAB page. Narky Blert (talk) 01:43, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

That's good but with Steuart it's slight code wastage to do it by the book. I do still think a bit like that, even now when there's less reason for it! Gherkinmad (talk) 02:35, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Egfrid

Hi Narky Blert, The reason I linked Egfrid (1810 ship) to the dab page for Egfrid was that I have no info on which of the two Egfrids she is named. Do you have additional info suggesting that it was the king, and not the cleric? If not, should we perhaps revert to the link to the dab page? Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 15:20, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@Acad Ronin:. I was WP:BOLD. It's 1810: are you going to name an armed merchantman after a little-known bishop (stub article, one citation from 1996) or the first king of Northumbria (mentioned in at least two places by the Venerable Bede, who lived at Monkwearmouth–Jarrow Abbey, which was founded by the king)? I suspect that someone remembered the name of the king from school. Also, Lindisfarne is a fair distance from Tyneside, where the ship was built; while Jarrow is on the Tyne. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:36, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough. I can live with the change. Given the weird names one sees on ships, there remains the possibility that someone was more taken with the cleric for reasons we cannot know. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 15:46, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@Acad Ronin: Temple of Jarrow, who built Egfrid, also built the Oswin (1810) - another northern king mentioned by Bede. A sister ship, perhaps? No other ship's name in that list is much help.

(That citation usefully places the shipyard at South Shields rather than just 'Shields'.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:06, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Nice catch. That makes me feel even better about the King Egfrid. And it turns out that WP has a stubb on Temple shipbuilders. I will link both ways. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 16:38, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@Acad Ronin: I hadn't thought to look in WP for the shipbuilder - not that it would have helped much, they weren't on the DAB page until just now. Good catch by you.

With at least 3 articles, there may be mileage in creating Category:Ships built by Temple shipbuilders.

Their merchantmen don't seem to have been exactly leakproof, do they? Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 16:50, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Ah, win some, lose some. I am adding the vessels for which I know we have WP articles (six so far), to the shipbuilders article. If you know how to create a category, please do so and let me know. I will then add the category to the articles. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 16:55, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@Acad Ronin: Done for Egfrid. I simply added the cat to that article and saved. The link showed as red; clicking on it opened the cat for editing. So, I added the {{catmain}} link, and a couple of higher-level cats (chosen by looking at Category:Ships built by Harland and Wolff) - with sortkeys, once I'd remembered to add them. Easy when you know how! Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Ta. Now I will add that to the articles. I have identified 12 already, and some still to go. Acad Ronin (talk) 17:24, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@Acad Ronin: Whoops, nearly forgot - I've just added Temple shipbuilders to their own category.

A good afternoon's work, there. It's always satisfying to link or group articles together. I find categories can be useful search tools. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:32, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Well, I have been able to link 21 WP ship articles to the Temple shipbuilders. Agree that it is good to be able to link articles, especially when this leads to building them out. (Also the process of editing revealed a number of typos that I had introduced and could fix.) One of the things I like about WP is the ongoing incremental improvement that occurs. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 00:56, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

RfC discussion on List of 2017 articles that is really about proper use of Wikipedia:Article size. Requesting your time because I think a guideline is being misused

Please, I need your input. There is a conversation about splitting an article because of its size, but I don’t care which way you would vote on if it should be split or not. My issue is that the other editor and a companion-in-arms are misusing, mistranslating Wikipedia:Article size. These two are reducing the size of the largest articles in Wikipedia, which sounds like a noble goal, but when I asked what limit there should be on an article size, the response was 100 kB characters. The Wiki-guideline does state that readable prose should be less than 100 kB, but readable prose is the article minus citations, lists, tables, footnotes, and images, so I find the interpretation dangerous. The other editor said to get articles down in size, a yearly list could be cut down in half, in quarters, or even monthly. I cannot picture the easy usage of lists that is divided by month for multiple years. The guideline mostly states lists and tables are excluded from the guideline, so my objection to the split is that there is no justification except a misused guideline.

Basically, I think these two editors are going beyond being useful in improving Wikipedia and are moving into damaging Wikipedia, so I would like you to come to Talk:List of 2017 albums#Request for comment, read the discussions in the two section above it, especially Talk:List of 2017 albums#Redux, and provide feedback. I do not care if you say split or oppose, but to me the discussion is not about the split but the misuse of the Article Size guideline, and I want your and others I respect feedback on the conversation and the proper use of the guideline. Mburrell (talk) 02:58, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors!

The 2018 Cure Award

In 2018 you were one of the top ~250 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 17:41, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James: It's encouraging to see such high levels of activity in non-English WPs.

I only find and try (with the skilled assistance of Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine) to fix small errors, particularly links to DAB pages. Yes, I do consider that an important task. Which reminds me - it's about time I had another look at my medicine bookmarks folder... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 18:07, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Leghari

...is now unprotected. Best, Airplaneman ✈ 03:55, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

@Airplaneman: ...and is now a DAB page. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 06:57, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

NOTOC

Please do not add NOTOC to disambiguation pages. They should instead use {{tocright}}, as done in this edit (I'm currently going through a list of 1700 disambiguation pages which has NOTOC on them and fixing them). (t) Josve05a (c) 22:05, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Fixing dab links in s-rail templates

A note - when you see a dab link inside an s-rail template, it's far better to fix it in the associated stations template. That way, the link is fixed everywhere, and it's easier to maintain in case of future page moves. For example, instead of edits like this, it's better to do this. If you ever have questions on what template to change, feel free to ping me. Thanks for all your hard work fixing links, and cheers! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@Pi.1415926535: I try to look at, and if possible fix, 150-200 bad links to DAB pages every day. Most take only a minute or two, but a few have taken up to an hour (including multilingual searching) to find the correct answer. It took considerable argument by two or three experienced DABfixers (one of whom is in the million-edit club) to even get |link1= and |link2= added to {{s-line}}. I'm sorry, but I just don't have the time to learn the innards of complex templates as well. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Then it's probably best to either leave them be (one of us rail editors will stumble upon it soon enough) or post on the talk page. Using the link1 or link2 parameters just creates additional work for us - they should only be used in situations where the associated stations template doesn't exist. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:55, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@Pi.1415926535: |link1= and |link2= help readers. Nothing else matters. Narky Blert (talk) 22:12, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Any chance you could take a look at this request for a dab page?

Talk:Mental process. Not my request by any means. The same editor created the weird article I've taken to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#Intellectual function article. Thanks. I wish the psychology and cognition wikiprojects were active. Doug Weller talk 20:00, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: I suppose that 'mental function' is a possible search term, but it doesn't strike me as a very likely one. I associate the term more with its negation, i.e. loss of mental function or dementia. I can't easily think of a satisfactory target, nor of how to turn the title into either a DAB page or a WP:BCA. I suggest that you open a discussion at WP:RFD (mentioning the fact that the page has history). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 20:29, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Please help

Hi,

right now the term "turóc" redirects to "Turok_(disambiguation)#Places", but I'd like to change it a to directly redirect to Turóc County, because it's fitting rightly there...could you do it? (I managed with "turoc" from the Turiec article, but regarding this I'm having problems)...Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 21:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: How does this look?

Turóc -> Turóc County

Hatnote in Turóc County -> Turok (disambiguation)

Turoc -> Turok (disambiguation)

It's a safe bet that anyone who types ó knows what they're looking for. Everyone else is best served by the DAB page. Come back to me if you see any problems with this scheme. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 23:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks will be ok like this, Sincerely.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:50, 27 February 2019 (UTC))

Gautrain

It's not disambiguation, but you may be interested in reading the discussion at Template talk:Gautrain route diagram#Terminus. Certes (talk) 11:56, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: There are occasional signs of WP:OWN among the trainspotters. See also #Fixing dab links in s-rail templates. I was wryly amused soon after that discussion to find an article about a Massachusetts station, edited most recently by that very editor, which linked to a DAB page in one direction and to a station in Dorset in the other. Narky Blert (talk) 12:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Does Book: accept sci-fi novels?

Alice left the train at Central Station (disambiguation). She walked through the second door from the left, marked Central railway station, Sydney, marvelling at how this new form of transport had changed her life...

— Certes (talk) 12:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Path loss

An article that you have been involved in editing—Path loss—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Pierre cb (talk) 14:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

James Craig

I could have sworn I checked that link! Thanks for spotting it. DuncanHill (talk) 14:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: YVW - that's what we WikiGnomes do. (A couple of times, I've had the embarrassment of seeing links to DAB pages in my own articles turn up in the bot report.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 14:28, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

March law

If I change this article to a {{set index}}, then can I undo this edit? –Srnec (talk) 23:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@Srnec: It's only DAB pages which require that sort of indirect addressing; so, yes, of course.

March law might be better as a WP:BCA than a WP:SIA. As I understand it, English (Anglo-Norman) policy over several centuries was pretty much the same on all three borders: allow the marcher lords special privileges to raise private armies and to build castles. Barons who did that away from the border were a danger to the crown, and needed to be suppressed. A strong king could do that, because other barons wouldn't want to see their rivals get over-mighty, and would back him. On the other hand, neither king nor barons wanted the nuisance and expense of raising a standing army to guard the borders; nor was there then any mechanism for doing so. It was much simpler for everyone just to let families like Percy and Douglas get on with their traditional amusements of cattle-stealing and blood feuds, so long as they didn't involve anyone else. They also provided a first-line buffer against full-scale invasion.

I suspect the policy worked because there was no consistently strong centralised government on the other side of any of those borders. The Irish and Welsh were often fighting among themselves; the Scots seemed to be forever having succession crises. Invasions across the Anglo-Scottish border in both directions never led to a conclusive result; not least because the Borders are a natural border, where it's difficult to feed men and horses (except in the extreme east).

I could go on to speculate why march law never seemed to take hold in France, and to draw parallels with e.g. the Holy Roman Empire, in which the Electors were in effect the Big Men who guarded the western and eastern borders; but that's enough WP:OR for now. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 04:27, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

I will look into making it a BCA, if the sources can support it. Srnec (talk) 23:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Species namers

Would you be kind enough to take a look at Ferrissia californica? I can't make Tryon with a date of 1863 work.— Rod ^talk 13:02, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw:  Done I also managed to find a given name for Rowell and an initial for Miroli. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:19, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks - there is also some taxonomist beyond me at Peganum harmala#Taxonomy. Is William Turner William Turner Thiselton-Dyer or William Turner (naturalist)?— Rod ^talk 14:33, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw:  Done William Turner (naturalist), in A New Herball (1551). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 14:39, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Ta - How about a 2019 claim of Ross Smith on Mamushi?— Rod ^talk 17:41, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw: I couldn't find a thing about him, even searching more broadly for 'Ross Smith herpetology' – unlinked. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:47, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Taxa linked to surnames

I was looking for links from taxa to surnames. I wrote a Quarry query but it takes too long and gives up, and can't sensibly be split, but I've found a semi-automated way to search with Petscan. Here are the results for surnames A-B, with a few C-Z who happen to be linked from the same pages. Unfortunately, it's not easy to report automatically which surname appears in which article.

(Edited out clumsy list, now replaced by User:Certes/Taxa linked to surnames)

Many surnames are of people who don't have articles; for example the snail Lamellitrochus pourtalesi refers to "C. G. Aguayo", who may or may not be entomologist Carlos Guillermo Aguayo. There are some redirects in there. A few like Borhidi redirect to biologists who may be the correct target. Others like Allaster redirect to tennis players who probably aren't. Fixing these looks like a painstaking task for an expert, and certainly not something I'm attempting to dump on you! Is this list helpful and worth continuing for C-Z? If so, is there be a better forum to raise it in? Certes (talk) 14:09, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: A lot of work for sure, but it's something I'd be only too happy to look into. I would plan to work from the list of taxa alone. No, I don't think there is a better place to ask.

I'd provisionally bet my mortgage that you've ID'ed Aguayo, despite the different field. The dates are OK. From Wikispecies: Worked at Poey Museum, Universidad de la Habana, Cuba. From L. pourtalesi: Published in es:Memorias de la Sociedad Cubana de Historia Natural "Felipe Poey" (which has only been digitised up to 1923). He seems to have been a generalist - see this review by him of an ornithological work. Narky Blert (talk) 14:31, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll carry on and get the rest of the list. I would have thought that working from a list of surnames would be easier. It's shorter, as the same guy tends to get mislinked in multiple places, and it would be easy to see "what links here" and fix all the snails while Aguayo's link is in your paste buffer. However, the list of taxa pops out as a by-product, so that's easy to produce if it helps. Certes (talk) 14:45, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

I've created User:Certes/Taxa linked to surnames. It contains false positives, but hopefully not too many. Certes (talk) 16:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Excellent, I'll start to work my way through that. Narky Blert (talk) 16:13, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting these out. Acalymma albidovittata's taxobox links to Luperini which redirects to a cyclist. species:Luperini redirects to Galerucini, so could Luperini be an alternative name for the Galerucini tribe of beetles? If so then we could make Luperini a dab. This bicycling beetle crops up in several other insect articles and taxonomy templates, so it's probably worth getting right. Certes (talk) 20:30, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

The surname and edit links seemed useful but I may have made the page too big to edit comfortably. If so then please feel free to split it by initial or otherwise and put the chunks somewhere more manageable. Certes (talk) 20:47, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Cycling beetles? I'm showing my age here!

This exercise of ours will doubtless need more than one cycle. I've just added a C19 naturalist to both a category and a list (not for the first time when tackling this sort of problem). It doesn't matter if the bot-generated lists look cumbersome, that can't be helped when there's this amount of badness. Remember when DAB pages with links had the best part of 40,000 entries? The solution is chipping away and chipping away, and re-running the bot from time to time.

I've had useful comeback from some of the biological WikiProjects before. If I get stuck, I'll rope them in again.

Time Team time for me, I think. I'll leave both this exercise and Carlo Antonio Fornasini (2 genera and 10 species named in his honour – I never thought that I might need my O-Level Latin again, to read C19 scientific papers) until tomorrow. Narky Blert (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

I just realised that many of the bad links are from 24 taxonomy templates to Luperini. I can do a semi-automated fix on them which may fix multiple articles. Luperini (tribe) is an existing redlink: is that the best text to use? I'm not sure how it relates to Galerucini, which has different genera.

List: Acalymma, Amphelasma, Androlyperus, Cerotoma, Cyclotrypema, Diabrotica, Diabroticina, Eusattodera, Keitheatus, Luperina (beetle), Luperini, Luperosoma, Lygistus, Metrioidea, Paranapiacaba, Paratriarius, Phyllecthris, Phyllobrotica, Pseudoluperus, Pteleon, Scelida, Scelolyperus, Synetocephalus, Triarius. – Certes (talk) 00:37, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Gud catch! (1) Galerucinae: "The division into tribes is more a matter of tradition than based on modern research. Some genera, for example Yingaresca, are better considered incertae sedis due to a general lack of knowledge. And while a good case can be made for some tribes – namely the Alticini and Galerucini – being all but monophyletic even in their traditional delimitation, others, such as Luperini, appear to be just paraphyletic assemblages of primitive and more basal genera." (Translation: we're guessing here.) (2) species:Galerucinae distinguishes between Galerucini and Luperini. (3) If Luperini has been lumped with Galerucini (see species:Galerucini), that's very recent and could be controversial. They were being distinguished as different tribes as recently as 2009. (4) This looks like one of those messy areas, where WP should distinguish between the tribes Galerucini and Luperini until and unless there is taxonomic consensus.

I agree with you. Use the existing redlink Luperini (tribe); turn the redirect Luperini (which has a pile of links-in (which may, perhaps, never have been clicked on) from beetle-related articles) into a DAB page (with Galerucinae as the bluelink on the redlinked line); and to hell with those WP:TWODABS cops whose aim is to make navigation more difficult for readers. There's also Romano Luperini; the sourcing in that article is very bad (not to mention 404), but publications 1968-2018 suggest at least an argument for WP:N. There should probably also be a two-way see-also/distinguish link between DAB page Luperini and Luperina. Narky Blert (talk) 02:18, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Done. We somehow failed to spot Luperini (beetle), which makes things easier! TWODABS is only a problem when there's a primary topic. I've left Romano out as I get berated when I add interlanguage links to dabs, but I did find a footballer. Luperina (a moth genus) might also be confused with Luperina (beetle), a subtribe of Luperini with incoming links but no article. Nothing that links to the moth mentions beetles, so I've boldly left it alone. Certes (talk) 11:29, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: That'll teach me to post without running intitle, I just looked at Italian WP.

WP:TWODABs is only a problem when it gets misused in move discussions and such. I like two-entry DAB pages. The only thing I really dislike is one-entry DAB pages (and I've seen a few of those). Narky Blert (talk) 12:12, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: I suspect that your tool is picking up {{R from surname}} pages. See e.g. Pasteur and Beijerinck in Acetobacter aceti, and Herrich-Schäffer and Möschler in Achyra rantalis. Narky Blert (talk) 17:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

You're right: I'm working through the surnames which are redirects now. Some such as Allaster needed attention (especially as the context demands a taxon rather than a person) but most are as you describe. I'm currently up to Bolívar, which turns out to be Bolívar Department, Colombia rather than Simón plant-hunting in his spare time. If necessary, we can redo the taxon list with the redirects weeded out. Certes (talk) 17:08, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: It does no harm to keep R from surname in the search, and can do good. I routinely check them to see if they're correct, and have turned several into surname pages, or added a hatnote. See e.g. Martinus Beijerinck. Narky Blert (talk) 17:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

I've reduced the taxon list for now to those which link to a surname article rather than a surname redirect. This will also have got rid of Luperini and friends. I can go separately through those surnames which are redirects, fixing those which are not biologists. I think these will need a different type of fix and we shouldn't be tripping over each other much. Then we can consider the likes of Beijerinck where the current links work, so bypassing the redirect is not a priority and debatably disruptive. Certes (talk) 17:42, 13 March 2019 (UTC) A couple that fell through my net:

• Acrimeroceras → Becker, possibly one of these or this guy.
• Acromyrmex → Boomsma, possibly Jacobus Boomsma; Wikispecies lists Clifford David Boomsma but he's into trees not ants.

Please can you help with those? Thanks, Certes (talk) 17:57, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: (1) Becker, your pdf is right. I'd found him as Ralph Thomas Becker, see Acrimeroceras. (He sometimes spells his first name Ralf.) (2) It's Jacobus all right - link. I'd only found him as J. J. Boomsma, so I've made a redirect.

I've fixed most of the links to redirects which are marked as surnames but a few still need an expert eye. For example, the first one links to Brants which redirects to an artist from the wrong era. Can you help please?

• Caloptilia azaleella → Brants – not Cynthia Brants
• Angiola lineata, Cerithideopsis costata, Lacuna pallidula → Da Costa – probably Emanuel Mendez da Costa
• Taxonomy of the Cactaceae, Yavia → Piltz – no ideas; can't find a link from first article
• Nebria torosa → Sciaky (which I just turned into a dab) – not Ed Sciaky

Some lazy editors have explicitly linked to pages called Yoshimatsu (name), List of people with surname Taylor, etc. rather than bothering to find the relevant person. Again, I've fixed most of those but a few need help. In most cases I've fixed some but not all of the links.

• Porphyra → Pan (surname), Wang (surname) (S.Wang), Zhang (surname) (J.Zhang), all active c.1980 – I fixed others in that article but these elude me.
• Nicrophorus pustulatus → Kirk (surname), possibly Kirk, V.M. from here
• Nerita signata → Karsten (mentioning this because the surname doesn't turn up on my search link, so it looks fixed but isn't)
• Yizhousaurus → I got frustrated with this one and just unpiped the links. If the author doesn't care about their subject, nor do I.
• Nicrophorus investigator → Swan (surname)
• Pholidae → Wang (surname) and this time he's brought a relative
• Scytonema → Wang (surname), Zhu (surname)

I see that other lazy editors have explicitly linked to pages called Foo (disambiguation) rather than bothering to find the relevant person. My queries didn't look for those and there may be more work to do, possibly involving a trout.

The current version of User:Certes/Taxa linked to surnames excludes taxa linked only to redirects and "Foo (surname)" pages. Therefore I've not crossed anything off the list; any that happen to be on there may still need attention for other problems that I overlooked. For similar reasons, I've not attempted to cross off taxa that correctly linked to a non-biologist, such as Narcissus (plant) → Wordsworth. Certes (talk) 16:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Some 20-open-tab jobs in there; but I got at least an initial for the lot, except for the Wang twins and Wang/Zhu in your last two posts; and where there's an initial, there's room for a parenthetical qualifier if necessary.

Zhang in Porphyra was tricky, because there were two of them.

Nicrophorus investigator contained not only Swan but also Kieseritzky and Papp. Swan & Papp were easy once I'd WP:BOLDly corrected the century of their paper.

I'm all in favour of unlinking authorities from the last 30 years or so, if nothing can easily be found. There's a whole industry in producing grad students who aren't notable yet and may never be.

Lazy editors who try to hide their mistakes annoy the bejasus out of me. One thing I see a lot of, is editors who've clearly reacted to a User:DPL bot nastygram by piping the same bad link. Sigh. Narky Blert (talk) 20:00, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Well done and thank you! I know this can be a lot of work (which someone else should have done). I hope that we may now have some of the most awkward cases out of the way. I found one more in Pholidae. It helpfully linked to Schultz#Real_persons, which quickly allowed me to rule out any fictional ichthyologists. Certes (talk) 23:54, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: It needs doing, and I enjoy the challenge. It makes a pleasant change from unlinking 'of', and from trying to work out who sang a banal song in a forgettable Indian movie referenced only to IMDb. (At my rough estimate, 90% of articles associated with Indian film could fail at WP:AFD. As an inclusionist, I let them be. I only nominate an article if I feel my will to live draining away while reading it.) If you recall Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links#Where next? part 1 of 2 – intentional links to DAB pages, surnames was my projected part 2 of 2 (and WP:SIAs my projected part 3 of 2), with the similar idea of a wrapper template to show that a link to a surname page had been inspected and certified kosher. At a rough count, your tool found only about 4,000 dodgy links; and that number is easily attackable. (Compare the 149,000 in Named disambiguation pages with links.)

I flatter myself that in some cases, few editors are capable of solving a problem. Karsten in Nerita signata was a case in point. All WP articles about Dietrich Ludwig Gustav Karsten, and his entry in Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie, describe him purely as a mineralogist. However, I eventually found a 1789 paper (in Latin, of course) by one D. L. G. Karsten who clearly knew a bit about Linnean taxonomy, and had no hesitation in making the connection. C18 men of science were often knowledgable in more than one field. In C19 too they weren't always narrow specialists; for example, Darwin's interests extended across the whole natural kingdom (he wrote scholarly papers on orchids, barnacles, earthworms and pigeons, among other things) and into geology.

I too have come across U.S. towns which have boldly explored the Amazonian jungle and described a new genus.

My illusions are forever being shattered. "Superman is a fictional superhero" (emphasis added). Narky Blert (talk) 06:28, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

For a valid but interesting example of links to surnames, see Soesiladeepakius. Certes (talk) 11:24, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: I've come across Calodema, or another Australian journal very like it, and possibly Makhan, before. The critiques among the citations are worth a read. Narky Blert (talk) 11:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure there are many other fruitful hunting grounds, such as football matches with goals by Lingard, Lukaku and Sánchez, but they may need a different subject expert. I just fixed a few links from those three surnames, though none were sports related. Ideally, someone should do the same for the other 63,000 surnames. Certes (talk) 11:45, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Also writers, artists and philosophers. I wonder too how many major cities and other PTOPICs have had remarkable and unexpected scientific, sporting or creative careers? Narky Blert (talk) 12:00, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Always a satisfying solution to this type of problem, he said smugly: Agapanthia talassica. (If you clink on the Interwiki link, you may get spurious red and blue notifications in English WP. If you do, just click on them, and they'll go away.) Narky Blert (talk) 20:45, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

In Baltoceras, does venter mean "front" or "underside" in the sense of ventral? If so then I can do an automated edit and cross a dozen similar pages off our list. Certes (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Yes. I've already fixed a couple of those, and see no reason why any others should be different.

I've also discovered that Baker, Hedge, Spruce and van Dyck are notable taxonomists. Narky Blert (talk) 15:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

I should already have fixed cases like van Dyck where the surname redirects to a non-biologist. Hedge and Spruce are hard to find due to being legitimate botanical terms. That just leaves Baker, for whom I find:

• Millettia leucantha, possibly John Gilbert Baker
• Perpolita, possibly Horace Burrington Baker

It also suggests a further search for bad links. I wonder what we find if we list botanist abbreviations which lack punctuation and are the titles of pages which exist and are not surnames or botanists or redirects to those, manually weed out terms widely used in plant articles such as Hedge and Spruce, and see which taxa link there. Certes (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: I found evidence for both Bakers, agree with you, and have made the changes. I missed those two in my eyeball search.

To my mild annoyance, Richard Spruce wasn't an example of nominative determinism. Narky Blert (talk) 16:27, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Scrap that last idea. I just checked a substantial sample, and all were false positives. It looks as if the botanists have done a good job there. Thanks for your continuing efforts, and I can also find plenty of other pages to mend. Certes (talk) 19:58, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Your list gives plenty to be getting along with for now. I put a fair-sized dent in it today only because the bit of DPL bot I rely on is poorly-sick.

I found that Jordan has described a species; however, I didn't feel inclined to wade through several thousand links-in looking for a taxonomist who would be redlinked. Exline has published several scientific papers (I'm impressed! – but I suspect that Don L. Frizzell married Harriet rather the whole town). I think that the best way to identify such nonsenses in the first place is by eyeball.

I did not take a break to relax and to admire the view (as one is always tempted to do, on achieving even a minor summit) at the end of 'B' before advancing onto 'C'. McMurtrie in Cabassous took me 25 minutes. I expect there will be yet more teasing problems like that one hidden away in the less fashionable parts of the alphabet. Narky Blert (talk) 21:44, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes; plenty to do. I also found Jordan's friend Amman. I'm catching up on disambiguation from old bot reports and trying to rescue some portals. Certes (talk) 21:52, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: It might be worth looking at Baker's partner in crime, Miller, in case I've missed anything. (I did come across a botanist who'd described some marine fossils 30 years after his death, both here and in Wikispecies. It turned out to be John Samuel Miller, badly indexed and categorised in WP and missing from WS.) Narky Blert (talk) 12:28, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Just Jason mirabilis, which should be Michael Charles Miller. I don't think he has an article but perhaps you can find him on Klingon Wikipedia or somewhere... Certes (talk) 12:40, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again for doing the heavy lifting here. I've been looking at false positives. Carissa carandas is caused by Vaidya within {{Ayurveda}}, which is marked as a surname but actually describes a type of physician. If that template is in the footer and you can't see any other problems then there's nothing to fix. Certes (talk) 13:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: J. mirabilis fixed.

You may be intrigued to learn that Chiron has developed an interest in orchids.

This project is going well. I haven't yet failed to resolve a bad link one way or another (famous last words); except for your Three Wangs and a Zhu, above. I plan to work through the rest of your taxon list as my primary task, whether or not DLP bot receives CPR, is speedily transported to A&E, and is visited on ward by relatives, colleagues, and casual acquaintances bringing presents of grapes.

Looking at numerous articles on species and genera has confirmed my pre-existing notion that there are well-written stub articles and then there are stub articles.

I prefer to attack the taxon list rather the the surname list, because I can then look at all the links on a page without feeling that I might be being distracted from something more immediate. Thus, I've bookmarked Sowerby family, with its completely and utterly useless, but easily resolvable, links-in for attention as&when. Narky Blert (talk) 22:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I've refined the surname check to pick up cases like Guzmán. Unfortunately it will now also give a few false positives where a surname redirects to a biologist but these will be the same few famous regulars such as Pasteur and should be easy to ignore. I'll have a quick check through A-C to see if we missed any Guzmán type links there. Certes (talk) 11:18, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes:. False positives from redirects are no bother at all. I found one earlier today which I turned into a 5-entry DAB page. One article I flagged as 'harmless false positive' contained a {{distinguish}} hatnote to a surname page.

For botanical problems, IPNI is a superb resource.

You were right on Aguayo. A Google search threw up "Carlos Guillermo Aguayo y Castro, Cuban malacologist & entomologist (Habana 19 December 1899 - 12 February 1982)".

Still no more failures to report - though I was struggling a couple of times, and had to use Low Cunning on Echeveria peacockii. (I've used that sort of footnote before to solve DAB problems; in cases such as where the Conqueror paid off one of his barons with the manor of Piddling, which presumably encompassed the three modern adjoining villages Little Piddling, Much Piddling and Piddling About.) Narky Blert (talk) 19:48, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Daily update. Over halfway through the taxa list, and all still going well. :-) Narky Blert (talk) 20:16, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, well done and thanks again for doing all the hard work. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help, such as speedily fixing all further pages linking to a few commonly mislinked people. Certes (talk) 00:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Duracell Bunny report: still going. I've been onto page 4 of Google searches at least twice, but haven't been defeated yet. (That wouldn't be the case with e.g. footballers or Indian actors.)

I don't think there's any reason for further automated fixes. I have a handful of Usual Suspects; but they're easy, and there's always the risk of being wrong in an isolated case.

Your tool seems to have missed Jackes in Myrsine howittiana, for some reason. Narky Blert (talk) 20:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

It didn't miss Jackes as such but it missed Myrsine howittiana entirely. That plant uses {{Speciesbox}}, which isn't one of the templates I was looking for. It looks as if there may be another list coming, but (judging by template transclusion count) it should be much shorter. Certes (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

I've updated the list to add Speciesbox entries, and removed the done ones to keep it of manageable size. Socognathus is particularly disappointing. Certes (talk) 12:43, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Indeed it was. All 5 now redlinked. Having the initials of 3 of them simplified matters, and the other 2 popped up at the top of a Google search. Narky Blert (talk) 12:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I've no idea why Jousseaume didn't come up for Siratus. He was listed for the three remaining offenders, which I've fixed. Certes (talk) 13:00, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Good spot with Kubitzki. We have another class of bad link: links to redirects to surnames where the redirect itself is not categorised as a surname. First indications are that numbers will be much smaller. I found two where the surname begins with A. One was an easy fix; the other I managed using your useful IPNI link. I'll press on with B–Z and post any that I can't manage. Certes (talk) 17:05, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: I routinely categorise redirects I come across in my DPL rounds. I might not bother to add things like {{R from short name}} or {{R to section}}, but tags like {{R ambig}} (which has the optional parameter 'printworthy') and {{R from surname}} are important; as is DEFAULTSORT for printworthy redirects e.g. with diacritics.

I assume that you've seen points 2 and 3 in Category:Redirects from surnames? That'd be a major task (19,000 of them), even though most checks would need just an {{intitle}} search and no actual editing.

I have yet another class of bad links: DAB pages in Wikispecies, e.g. species:Haas. That should be fairly easy to attack, with only a small tweak of your tool. Other language WPs can make their own arrangements.

I unlinked Wang & Wang because, after 40 minutes searching, I worked out where most authors must be getting their information from: an English translation of a large Russian handbook on fish (available online). I got (from elsewhere) the citation to their paper, but decided that if that (and possibly another couple of species) was all I had, I couldn't get them through WP:GNG.

I don't always give up that easily. Xorides niger took me 2 hours 22 minutes (including time for a reboot and to keep up with the news). Narky Blert (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Here are the links via redirects that I'm stuck on so far:

1. Gerbera → Boehmer, probably Georg Rudolf Boehmer
2. Cecilioides petitiana → Benoit (name), possibly Pierre L. G. Benoit
3. Gammarus setosus → Dementieva, no ideas
4. Prolagus aka Proeulagus → Gureev, no ideas
5. Tritonia conifera and Tritonia divaricata → Dalyell, possibly a posthumous publication of John Graham Dalyell

I'm up to H and most of the others weren't too hard, so we're getting there. Certes (talk) 02:16, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes:

1. Agreed
2. Luigi Benoit / species:Luigi Benoit (species:Benoit is another DAB page with incoming links) (date and field wrong for PLG)
3. T. F. Dementieva (Дементьева Т.Ф.)
4. A. A. Gureev (Гуреев А.А.)
5. Agreed

Nos. 3 and 4 required searching in Cyrillic; no articles in Russian WP. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 07:25, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

		To celebrate your diligent work on the taxa list
		Vitis vinifera Champagne (2019) Certes (talk) 11:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Hic!* Narky Blert (talk) 11:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Another set:

1. Achlysiella williamsi → Siddiqi, probably Mohammad Rafiq Siddiqi, assisted by an ancient Greek playwright and an engineering structure
2. Aliivibrio fischeri → Urbanczyk, no ideas
3. Anadara → Schrenck, possibly Leopold von Schrenck
4. Juglandoideae → Koidzumi, probably Gen-ichi Koidzumi but could be another on species:Koidzumi, ref [1]
5. Leucoagaricus gongylophorus and Stellaria (gastropod) → Möller, probably de:Alfred Möller (Forstwissenschaftler)
6. Oryza longistaminata → Roehrich, active 1914
7. Stellaria (gastropod) → Möller, no ideas
8. Strongylognathus kratochvili → Silhavy, no ideas

da Silva came up on my search and I think I've sorted out the taxon links to it, though (like many surnames) it played in several football matches etc. PetScan will always miss it, because it's a redirect to surname; the surname is flagged as such but not the redirect. Certes (talk) 17:26, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: I belatedly worked out what da Silva was doing, so I've put it in Category:Surnames – it's a likely search term, and doing that populates the category.

I'll leave your latest list until tomorrow. My brain is beginning to fade. Narky Blert (talk) 17:46, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: I wonder how many goals Socrates scored, in addition to that decisive header in the match between Greece and Germany?

(This may not work all keyboards – but on mine AltGr+vowel -> vowel plus acute accent. Quicker than e.g. opening the 'Special characters' menu.) Narky Blert (talk) 21:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

There are plenty of fruitful hunting grounds for misdirected links. I'm just sorry that we have no way of marking the good ones we skip.

I use Linux and I've repurposed my useless caps lock key to compose characters, so ⇪ Caps Locke` produces è, ⇪ Caps Lockss produces ß, etc. Certes (talk) 00:59, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Those weren't all exactly easy.

1. I'm convinced that Siddiqi is Mohammed Rafiq. I found the other three; you may be surprised to see who got the redlink to Hunt wrong.
2. Henryk
3. Agreed. (He described it as Arca broughtonii. If a species is moved to another genus, the specific epithet from the original description usually stays the same.)
4. Agreed. The author abbreviation Koidz. later in the article confirms that ID for me.
5. (1) Agreed. From Russian WP, В Бразилии Альфред занимался изучением поведения муравьёв, занимающихся выращиванием необходимых им видов грибов. This may be the original paper, but it doesn't seem to be online in full. (The short description in that link is wrong – sounds familiar? 'Pilzblume' is an unusual combination of Pilz, mushroom, and Blume, flower.) (2) Unlinked, 1832, unidentifiable.
6. Olivier
7. See 5(2).
8. cs:Vladimír Šilhavý. From the Polish article, Wówczas zaczął zajmować się mrówkami i w 1937 opisał nowy gatunek Strongylognathus kratochvíli.

Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Well done and thanks again. I've also been trawling around a few Wikipedias in unfamiliar tongues, including Waray. We've nearly finished and I can help out with the easier entries on the species list. Yes, we have some prolific disambiguators who make far more good edits than I ever will, but have a lower threshold for accepting inconclusive data. Certes (talk) 14:00, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: By my count, fewer than 300 remain; so, target finishing day is Sunday. I suggest the step after that should be to run your reports again, with all filters off, to pick up what got missed (there's unlikely to be anything new). I suggest then holding off starting any new project for a month or so; WP:TDD is looking ugly again.

I've found perhaps a dozen links where the intended target wasn't a surname: a couple of places and genera without articles, a couple of species common names which also happen to be surnames, and (rather surprisingly, for the infobox in an obscure article) one vandal.

IMO, you're only entitled to call yourself an advanced Wikipedian polyglot if you've linked to at least one language which Google Translate doesn't understand. When I found Arino, it was a redirect to Ariño. The only solution was to write one of the stubbiest articles in the whole project. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 20:56, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: {{Automatic taxobox}} needs searching for. I've just found (and am working on), in Homotherium:

The genus Dinobastis was originally named by Cope (1893). Its type is Dinobastis serus. It was synonymized subjectively with Smilodon by Matthew (1910) and later with Homotherium by Churcher (1966),Schultz and et al. (1970), Waldrop (1974), Kurten and Anderson (1980), Churcher (1984) and Dalquest and Carpenter (1988).

'and et al.' is an unusual construction. Narky Blert (talk) 07:48, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Done. I also rolled my eyes at "It first became extinct". Narky Blert (talk) 08:12, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

The surnames in Homotherium were added on 19 March after I checked for Automatic taxobox articles. Any similar cases should come out in our final check, along with any new articles and those which have recently acquired a taxobox. Certes (talk) 09:59, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: User:Certes/Taxa linked to surnames  Done Narky Blert (talk) 15:30, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Wonderful! I'm rechecking the list now. I'm still finding some links to surnames but hope to be able to eliminate most of them and come up with a much shorter list soon. Certes (talk) 15:34, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Taxa remainder 1

I've replaced User:Certes/Taxa linked to surnames by a list of taxa still linked to surnames. There are some false positives such as Atha and probably Wolf. Things you've fixed recently such as Sowerby snails may still be listed. That list covers direct links to surname pages from all types of taxobox and speciesbox I can find. I'll try to produce a similar list for linking via redirects, though that is a bit trickier. Certes (talk) 16:13, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

I've added remainder 2, which is like 1 but linked via redirects. Just 35 this time, probably including some false positives. I hope that this is the final list for taxa linked to surnames. Certes (talk) 16:41, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: I think it would be worth checking for links to Category:Given names. I can envisage cases where a given name is also a rare surname and we have no article.

I hope Snek01 likes fish (specifically, Salmonidae) as much as he does gastropods and molluscs. He's responsible for around one-fifth of the links through (surname) qualifiers in Remainder 1. An editor with 47,000 edits and with DYKs and GAs to their name should know better. He has until when Remainder 1 is finished to make at least one act of contrition.

(I've only had one smiley throughout this project; which is perhaps one more than I was expecting; however, it was from a Wikipedian-at-large, a class I haven't seen before. I seem to get smileys only for routine edits, never for the difficult, satisfying ones. Such is life.) Narky Blert (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Remainder 1  Done. Snek01 trouted. Narky Blert (talk) 15:26, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again for doing a much-needed job so thoroughly. I can't see any clues for Zhu either. A few people of that name have written on the subject but, as they have e-mail addresses, they probably weren't around in 1887. I've done the much smaller Remainder 2 and some odds and ends that weren't worth compiling into an organised list. I also recall fixing several links for George Perry, though they led me to drink rather than the explicit surname link. I'll see if I can get a list of taxa linking to given names, though there may be some work to do filtering out the likes of Erica, Heather and Rose. Certes (talk) 15:37, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

I've looked through links from taxa to given names which we had not already assessed as surnames. Amazingly, I found only 19 articles with suspicious links, of which two needed links fixed from Felicia to Felicia (genus) and the others were false positives. Of course, there may still be many non-taxon articles which describe a Felicia plant. Certes (talk) 18:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: I didn't think there'd be many, but now we know for sure.

I did manage to track down the Wang who was in the same article as Zhu. The citation said that C. C. Wang (I forget the exact given names) was the first to study bluegreens in China, in 1930, raising the question of where Zhu was working. Our success rate has been remarkably high: I think only that one failure, and three unlinks (Wang&Wang, and Herr Moeller with no given name).

I've become very aware of how much of the old scientific literature has been digitised but has not been scanned into text; and that the stuff which has been scanned is often wildly inaccurate. With a pre-1923 journal reference, I can find almost anything within a minute or two (and format the citation in WP); without, it's down to creative googling. (1923 is the magic year in US copyright law, which has always been and is likely to remain a mess.)

I had noticed that Perry was clean; I looked into it after I found that Snek01 had changed a couple of blacklinks into bluelinks to Perry (surname). I can't recall if any of those were the cases where the article included an initial or two, and was then linked to the (surname) page. (I also found Snek01's links to Hinds (surname) particularly annoying; because I had written the relevant article, and he had edited it, before those links were made.) Rose is another which might benefit from eyeballing at some stage; see species:Rose.

On the whole, though, I think we can say  Task complete. Narky Blert (talk) 20:16, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, job done. I've fixed a few Rose errors. The most fruitful search was Rose next to another name (e.g. Britton & Rose), which always turned out to be Joseph Nelson Rose. I think my next job is to identify more SIAs with as many easily fixed errors as The Telegraph. Certes (talk) 21:05, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: IMO The Telegraph is a typical example of a completely misguided SIA. Those newspapers merely share a name, and have nothing else whatsoever in common. I accept that there is a place for SIAs between lists which don't satisfy WP:LISTN and DAB pages which must not include citations; but far too many of them are cop-outs; like that one, which is a miscellaneous list in more than one language. (I cannot believe that anyone refers to De Telegraaf as 'The Telegraph'.) Evening Telegraph and Morning Telegraph are as bad. Contrast The Sun, a perfectly good DAB page.

I had read your post at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links#SIAs, but have been busy. This is a topic which may need to be thrashed out at WP:SIA. Narky Blert (talk) 21:40, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Help

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Nassar to Nassar (actor) in article Baahubali: The Beginning and Si3? Thank you! —-178.71.166.180 (talk) 15:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 15:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Sameer to Sameer (lyricist) in article Hariharan discography and Kumar Sanu discography and filmography? Thank you! —-78.36.86.146 (talk) 19:52, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Narky Blert (talk) 20:21, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Rangeela to Rangeela (film) in article Urmila Matondkar? Thank you! —-89.110.9.186 (talk) 12:49, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 12:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Abhijeet to Abhijeet Bhattacharya in article Kumar Sanu discography and filmography and from Govinda to Govinda (actor) in Urmila Matondkar, Katrina Kaif and Aishwarya Rai? Thank you! —-92.100.209.182 (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 18:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Puli to Puli (2015 film) In article List of awards and nominations received by Vijay? Thank you! —-212.48.202.123 (talk) 10:52, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 10:56, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Govinda to Govinda (actor) in article Kaun Banega Crorepati, The Kapil Sharma Show and 2010 in film? Thank you! —-91.122.27.104 (talk) 07:35, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 08:03, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Lajja (film) to Lajja (2001 film) in article Anu Malik? Thank you! ——217.66.157.234 (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Category:Films based on actual events to Category:Indian films based on actual events in Dangal (film)? Thank you! —-217.66.157.234 (talk) 14:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 14:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Coolie to Coolie (1983 Hindi film) in Amitabh Bachchan? Thank you! ——217.66.152.120 (talk) 11:00, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 11:03, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from So I Married an Anti-fan to So I Married an Anti-fan (film) in article Park Chan-yeol? Thank you! —-217.66.156.65 (talk) 09:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 12:12, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking item number in article Sholay and adding category:Films featuring an item number? Thank you! —-217.66.156.110 (talk) 16:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:53, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Films featuring an item number in article Winner (2017 film) and remove category:Multilingual films in 2.0 (film)? Thank you! ——217.66.156.110 (talk) 15:00, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done x2 Narky Blert (talk) 15:04, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking Category:Indian multilingual films in Baahubali: The Beginning and Baahubali 2: The Conclusion? Thank you! —-217.66.156.110 (talk) 13:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done x2. They were both in Category:Multilingual films, so I made that more precise. Narky Blert (talk) 13:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Kaviraj to Kaviraj (lyricist) in List of Majaa Talkies episodes? Thank you! —-217.66.156.110 (talk) 12:30, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done. I also added a hatnote to Kaviraj, pointing to Kaviraj (lyricist).

Why don't you create a named account? Once you're WP:AUTOCONFIRMed, you'll be able to make edits like these yourself. You've been finding some very hard-to-spot errors, and that is really valuable work. Narky Blert (talk) 12:40, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Bindaas to Bindass in article Rithvik Dhanjani? Thank you! —-217.66.157.136 (talk) 09:27, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 09:32, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Bandish to Bandish (film) in article Danny Denzongpa and Rajesh Khanna? Thank you! --178.71.214.235 (talk) 16:59, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Chakravyuh to Chakravyuh (2012 film) in article Arjun Rampal and Esha Gupta? Thank you! --217.66.158.235 (talk) 08:09, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done x2. I'm always happy to help, but IMO you really should create your own named account to make good edits like these. Narky Blert (talk) 08:27, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Cyanide to Cyanide (company) in articles List of PlayStation Portable games and List of PlayStation 3 games released on disc? Thank you! —-178.66.113.170 (talk) 12:05, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 12:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add category:oregnancy films and category:Films about revenge and category:Twins in Indian films in article Mersal (film)? Thank you! —-95.55.104.214 (talk) 17:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done x3. Narky Blert (talk) 19:08, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Indian crime action films in Raees (film)? Thank you! —-92.100.194.222 (talk) 16:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Upcoming films and Category:2010s Upcoming Tamil-language films and Catehory:Indian sports films in Thalapathy 63? Thank you!--178.71.212.192 (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done x3. Narky Blert (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Govinda to Govinda (actor) in Sanjay Dutt and Adnan Sami? Thank you! -—178.71.212.192 (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Nitin to Nithiin in Kajal Aggarwal? Thank you! ——92.100.211.117 (talk) 11:53, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 19:55, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Kick to Kick (2014 film) in Mayur Puri. Thank you! —-178.71.173.71 (talk) 21:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 19:03, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Vivek to Vivek (actor) in List of Tamil films of 2019? Thank you! ——178.71.167.234 (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 07:28, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking The Hook Up Song in article Student of the Year 2 and Alia Bhatt? Thank you! --92.100.211.154 (talk) 10:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 17:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking item number in Pooja Hegde and unlinking speacial appearance in Aishwarya Rai? Thank you! --92.100.211.154 (talk) 10:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Unnikrishnan to P. Unnikrishnan in article Airtel Super Singer 5, Airtel Super Singer 4, Airtel Super Singer 3 and Airtel Super Singer 1? Thank you! --92.100.165.233 (talk) 08:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done x4. Narky Blert (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Sameer to Sameer (lyricist) in article PM Narednra Modi, Kumar Sanu discography and filmography? Thank you! —-178.66.126.174 (talk) 15:13, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done x2 (including PM Narendra Modi). Narky Blert (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Unnnikrishnan to P. Unnikrishnan In Jaya Super Singer South India and from Vivek to Vivek (actor) in Bigil and unlinking Vivek in List of Malayalam films of 2019? Thank you! —-178.66.126.174 (talk) 11:45, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Arya to Arya (actor) in article The Great Father? Thank you! --178.71.166.239 (talk) 13:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:43, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky! Can you add from Category:Crime action films to Category:Indian crime action films in Raees? Thank you! --178.71.166.239 (talk) 13:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:45, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you Add from Category:Chase films to Category:American chase films in Game of Death (2010 film)? Thank you!

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:47, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking Payal Dev in Race 3? Thank you! —-178.66.116.246 (talk) 13:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 17:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Purnima to Poornima (singer) in articles T-Series (company) and Kumar Sanu discography and filmography? Thank you! --178.71.168.6 (talk) 16:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 16:50, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Category:Chase films to Category:American chase films in article Maximum Risk? Thank you! --89.110.27.10 (talk) 11:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Narky Blert (talk) 16:54, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Foreign films shot in Japan in Thunderbolt (1995 film)? Thank you! --89.110.27.10 (talk) 16:47, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Narky Blert (talk) 16:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Films shot in Tamil Nadu and Category:Films shot in Switzerland, linking Priyadarshini (singer) in Veeram (2014 film)? Thank you! --178.71.201.165 (talk) 13:27, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done x3. Narky Blert (talk) 16:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Mukesh to Mukesh (actor) in articles List of Malayalam films of 1982, List of Malayalam films of 1990 and from Lal to Lal (actor) in List of Malayalam films of 2002, List of Malayalam films of 2001, List of Malayalam films of 2000 and from Bhavana to Bhavana (actress) in Twenty:20 (film)? Thank you! --78.37.238.96 (talk) 18:49, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done x6. Narky Blert (talk) 16:46, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you Linking from Mumtaz to Mumtaz (actress) in Bollywood? Thank you! --178.71.161.212 (talk) 16:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

•  Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:15, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking in Khushboo Jain in article Bharat Ane Nenu, linking Anuradha Bhat and Shamitha Malnad In Viswasam? Thank you! --95.55.111.47 (talk) 20:44, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

•  Done x3. Narky Blert (talk) 16:15, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking Valmiki (2019 film) in Pooja Hegde? Thank you! --92.100.194.137 (talk) 12:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

• Already done. Narky Blert (talk) 19:52, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Category:Films shot in Thailand to Category:Foreign films shot in Thailand in articles Race 3, Kickboxer: Vengeance, Street Fighter (1994 film), Pulimurugan, Men of War (film)? Thank you! --89.110.7.158 (talk) 13:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

•  Done x5 Narky Blert (talk) 19:56, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Blert! Can you linking again Mumtaz (actress) in article Bollywood? Thank you! --89.110.7.158 (talk) 13:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

•  Done Narky Blert (talk) 19:59, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Category:Chase films to Category:American chase films and from Category:Detective films to Category:American detective films in The Last Stand (2013 film) and from Category:Chase films to Category:American chase films in Johnny Mnemonic (film)? Thank you! --89.110.7.158 (talk) 13:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Mehbooba to Mehbooba (1976 film) in Kishore Kumar? Thank you! --178.66.125.10 (talk) 07:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

• Already done. Narky Blert (talk) 22:09, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking Sony Music India in Mersal (soundtrack)? Thank you! --89.110.7.158 (talk) 13:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

• Already done. Narky Blert (talk) 20:00, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking Fanaa (2006 film) in article Jatin–Lalit and [[Fan (film)? Thank you! --178.66.110.17 (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

•  Done Narky Blert (talk) 22:06, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert ! Can you linking from Hello to Hello (Adele song) in List of Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles of 2016? Thank you! --178.66.96.200 (talk) 09:34, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

•  Done Narky Blert (talk) 22:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguator's Barnstar

		The Disambiguator's Barnstar
		The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators. I forget if I gave you one of these already, but here, have (another?) one because either way you deserve it. Nessie (talk) 17:10, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Narky Blert (talk) 17:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Protocole/Help!/You Rock

I'm positive I'm not doing this correctly - leaving a message for you, so please forgive me for not fully understanding how to leave a message. You contributed/improved an article I wrote about a figure in Hollywood that I am a inspired by named Jeff Beacher. I did a ton of research about him and found very reliable sources and articles about everything I posted. I was very encouraged by the amount of support - and by the quality of editors here that were helping to improve the article - and was proud to have it on the platform. Well, I went to share it with a friend last night and saw it had been deleted. I am abosolutely dumbfounded as to why it was deleted, so I'm reaching out to a few of the people who had supported it, including you. Again, so sorry if I did this message to you the wrong way, but I would be grateful to hear back from you. Thank you again for being so cool and supportive of my article on Jeff Beacher. You rock! DarthBuffet (talk) 19:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

@DarthBuffet: You just posted a message/cry for help to another editor in a very proper manner.

I'm not an admin, so don't have the ability to see the content of deleted articles. What I can see is:

10:10, 6 March 2019 Anthony Appleyard (talk | contribs) deleted page Jeff Beacher (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

Those reliable sources may not have been as good as you thought! (Read WP:RS.) Or, you may have been overly promotional, rather than neutral.

There is a way of asking for a page back so that you can work on it (WP:REFUND) – but, it can't be used in a WP:G11 case like this. If you've got your draft article saved: no problem, you can work from that. If you haven't: post on the talk page of the admin who deleted it (see above), and ask for a copy. (I'm basically repeating what's on your Talk Page, at User talk:DarthBuffet#Speedy deletion nomination of Jeff Beacher.) Feel free to link to your request here and to my advice: the link is User talk:Narky Blert#Protocole/Help!/You Rock. In either case, work on the article in your sandbox. Once you're happy with it, go through the 'Submit your draft for review!' rigmarole. An experienced editor will review it (OK perhaps not tomorrow, there's always a backlog), and either accept it or suggest what you need to do to improve it.

Every experienced editor was a newbie once. Happy editing! Narky Blert (talk) 20:35, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: You are awesome! And thank you for the kind words and encouragement. I'm going to be able to spend more time on this tomorrow (and yes, I did save all of my work off-line); and will take a deeper read of your response and follow your lead. I did get word from the editor who deleted the article and he was really cool and is offering to help me too. Appreciate y'all! Back soon... DarthBuffet (talk) 22:52, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@DarthBuffet: There's a major guideline you might be interested in skimming through: WP:DONTBITE. Narky Blert (talk) 23:25, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: Again, thank you for your time and support. I just purused that article. It doesn't feel like I was getting attacked per se, just that they felt the article wasn't written in a wiki-tone. I'm going to reach back to the editor who I thought had deleted it and try and work with them to get it back up. This guy Jeff Beacher is really inspiring to me and I found tons of content about him on-line that appears solid, and I avoided using any references from gossip rags about him. Really appreciate your kindnes! DarthBuffet (talk) 18:37, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@DarthBuffet: As a general tip - use adjectives sparingly, and preferably only factually. I seem forever to be reading articles which begin "John Doe is a notable/famous/inspirational/legendary whatever". Those adjectives don't make him so, they annoy me, and I'm already getting to dislike John Doe. Let the facts speak for themselves.

As an extreme example, I've written articles about three people who IMO died heroic deaths: a mountain rescuer, and a policeman and a priest murdered by the Nazis. The fact that all three have had streets named after them says something. None of those articles uses the word 'hero' outside direct quotes. That was what I wanted readers to think, but I didn't want to tell them how to think. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 19:47, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: This is EXTREMELY HELPFUL! Truly, it's hard to find this kind of straight-forward plain-speak information about Wiki on Google/Youtube. I wish you would write a book about wiki with this kinda of straight talk!! So, on the 19th, the deleting editor, Anthony Appleyard, restored my article about Jeff Beacher. I just left him a nice note. I really appreciate your time, you and a few other editors here have made me feel like I matter and have encouraged me to dig deeper to get better at this. Appreciate you!DarthBuffet (talk) 17:20, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Category:Musical settings of poems by Aldous Huxley has been nominated for discussion

Category:Musical settings of poems by Aldous Huxley, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Legacypac (talk) 16:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

new editor questions

Hello, sir i have question on article of Ikram Akhtar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikram_Akhtar well i have found many references on internet from leading news media of india some links are here: https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/ikram-akhtar-announces-next-film-hoor-vs-langoor-with-an-entire-new-cast-1771073 (Multi-talented director, writer and Producer Ikram Akhtar carved a niche for himself in the genre of comedy with a series of successive commercial hits like Aankhen, Shola Aur Shabnam, Salman Khan's Ready and many more.) you can search Mr. Ikram Akhtar on Internet you may find many references of him. please help me out sir what should i do? kindly let me know.

The Maven Car Sharing Wikipedia article looks a little out of date. Can you help me update it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maven_(car_sharingThe ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DietDrPepper123 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@DietDrPepper123: Sorry, I'm rather busy, and I know nothing about the subject.

Improving an existing article is a really good way of learning how to edit. Make sure you add sources for new information. The {{cite}} complex takes some getting used to, but you can get the job done in a simple way by using <ref>[url title]</ref>. (That's much better than <nowiki[url title]</nowiki>, which puts a bluelink in the main text. Linkrot is always a problem, and bad links in main text are difficult to spot.)

Don't forget to add a short edit summary. That way, anyone watching a page can easily understand what it was you did.

You could have linked to that article more simply as Maven (car sharing) - there's no need for the full url when linking to another Wikipedia article (and in fact, it's a bad idea). If you're linking to an article with a qualifier (like that one), it's usually best to pipe it, like this: [[Maven (car sharing)|Maven]], which displays as Maven.

Don't forget to sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes, like this: ~~~~. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 08:03, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

PS. The most common citation template is {{cite web}}, which in a simple form looks like this: {{cite web |url= |title= |last= |first= |date= |website= |accessdate=}}. You only need the |last= and |first= parameters if the citation has a named author, and |date= if it's dated. That's a better method than the one I described above. Narky Blert (talk) 08:24, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Sources needed for Days of the Year pages

You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide. Thanks for following up with a source on September 28. Toddst1 (talk) 14:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@Toddst1: Understood. I wouldn't add an entry to a day or year page without a WP:RS source anyway. (The year of birth let alone the date seems often to be in doubt with the sort of people I find myself writing up.)

I did think that source was a particularly impeccable one... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 14:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Sono d'accordo con te. :) Toddst1 (talk) 14:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Bones

I would note that there was a RM on the talk page in 2013 and it doesn't seem like much has changed so I have made a request at WP:RMT to move it back. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Crouch, Swale: I found the page as a WP:MALPLACED error: Bones -> Bones (disambiguation). The edit I made was part of a technical WP:ROUNDROBIN move. Narky Blert (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I understand that that's because someone pointed the redirect to the DAB, I have no strong opinion either way, just that the PT shouldn't be changed without discussion. A new RM should be held if there is a desire to have no PT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Crouch, Swale: I have no strong feelings on whether Bones should be a DAB page, or a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Bone (with the hatnote from there to Bones (disambiguation) which works either way). If you open a discussion on that topic, {{ping}} me and I'll put some thought into it. Narky Blert (talk) 18:17, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on opening a discussion on that but I suspect that that might happen, if the MALPLACED issue happens again I'll revert it and suggest to the user to start a discussion (and I'll ping you if they do start one) thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Bolding alternate names

Hi Narky Blert, I see that you have recently re-bolded the common names within the text of the article for the sponge Porites porites. While bolding alternate names equivalent to the article title is usually the recommended practice, in this case both of the common names (hump coral and finger coral) are not uniquely synonymous to the article title, but are instead dab pages that also used by several other species. As this applies to many other pages as well, should an alternate name be bolded when that name is shared among different species and the term does not re-direct to the current article? 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 12:41, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Loopy30: The MOS is sniffy about bolding things like ambiguous common names (see MOS:BOLDLEAD), but doesn't prohibit it. I think it can help reassure readers that they're in the right place. Three examples off the top of my head: Common blackbird, European robin and Northern wheatear, always called by the noun alone in UK. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:59, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, other examples certainly exist and many birds here too are also always called by their noun alone (American robin, European starling and Common grackle), even by most birdwatchers. But while this may be the most common usage regionally, it is not correct in a global context and is ambiguous to our world-wide English speaking readers. However, as the MOS does not prohibit its use outright, then it is clearly no biggie for articles to vary in this way. I certainly wouldn't want anyone to get "sniffy" over it (love that word by the way). All the best, Loopy30 (talk) 13:18, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Loopy30: I found P. porites because an editor had made an ambiguous link to finger coral. Fortunately, only one of those corals occurs in the Caribbean.

FYI, wikt:sniffy, meaning #1. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:30, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Help

Hi,

I kindly ask your help, I recently realized the existence of two identical disambiguation pages (Habsburg Hungary and Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary).

Since the first one is well-set, please

a, delete Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary

b, redirect Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary -> Habsburg Hungary.

Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 22:54, 27 April 2019 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: It was even worse - Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary was a one-entry DAB page. I've retargetted it, and everything that linked to it, to the DAB page Habsburg Hungary. I didn't delete anything, because (a) it's always best to preserve the page history, and (b) I'm not an admin, so I couldn't. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, does it make sense that because of my edit it became a one entry (two was before my edit), and maybe my removal of the other one was too sudden? Still I consider not the most appropriat the period 1867-1918 to refer Hungary as Habsburg Hungary, but I may undertstand because of the King of the Habsburg House, indeed...in case if I self-revert my former removal of the another entry, will you be able to delete the page? (since the removed content of mine is already part of the currently redirected one?) Thank You, Yours.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:39, 29 April 2019 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: I like the position as it now is. DAB pages and article titles should help readers find what they're looking for, and I think this DAB page and these titles do. You and I may know the difference between the Holy Roman Empire, the Austrian Empire and the k.u.k. Reich, but most English-speaking readers won't. It's our job to make it easy for them to learn about it. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 05:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Move 'Red Gum' to 'Red gum'

I have requested at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests that the disambiguation page Red Gum be moved to Red gum, as most of the pages disambiguated are not proper names requiring Upper Case. I assume this is uncontroversial, but if you object for any reason, you can move the request to the 'Controversial requests' section. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 09:35, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@Cnilep: I agree with your proposal at WP:RMT. Get back to me if anyone objects. Narky Blert (talk) 09:59, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@Cnilep: I've followed through on the now-completed move by adding two {{R from}} tags to Red Gum. Narky Blert (talk) 06:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Cnilep (talk) 06:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Advice When Creating a Wikipedia Page

Hello Narky Blert,

I wanted to know if you can advise on how to begin creating a successful Wikipedia page. Thank you in advance!

LaWr123 (talk)

@LaWr123: For an overview, and some high-minded principles, read Wikipedia:Five pillars.

A topic which that page hints at but does not spell out, which is absolutely key: the concept of Wikipedia:Notability (see in particular WP:GNG). If you want your article to stay up, you simply must get over that hurdle. That means: support the article with independent in-depth sources (see WP:RS). Things like these don't count towards notability: FaceBook, Instagram, YouTube, blogs, passing mentions, promotional interviews, press releases, and so on. Those can be used to support statements of fact, but not to assert notability. On the other hand, if you find an article by a music journalist in a national publication which says, "I would rather gouge my own eyes out with spoons than listen to another second of this band's music", that's as strong for notability purposes as one which says, "This band is the new Beatles".

(If you imagine that I've never had an article deleted at WP:AFD for failing to demonstrate notability, you're wrong.)

Draft your first few articles in your sandbox, and go through the WP:AFC routine. The editors who review articles there are trying to help, not to drive new editors away. Listen to what they might have to say.

OK, so now you've asserted notability, here are some optional but recommended extras:

1. Format your references nicely. That makes your article look better, impresses experienced editors, and gives some protection against WP:LINKROT. There's no guarantee that a good link today will still exist in five years time, or even tomorrow. The best general way to format an online reference is through {{cite web}}. (You can ignore many of the optional fields; the key ones are |url= and |title=. Nevertheless, fill in as many as you can.)
2. Add bluelinks from your article to other, relevant, articles which readers might reasonably want to visit from it. (I think we all know what a tree, or a town, or water is, but I've seen all those linked.) If you're writing at article about someone from Hicksville, by all means link to the place – but don't link to Arkansas or U.S.A., no-one is ever going to click on those links.
3. Add categories to your article. If you're not sure of what ones to add, look at a comparable article or two for ideas. Categories are a useful search tool.
4. I assume that you want as many people as possible to read your article? Make it easy for them to find it, by linking to it from other, existing, articles. (1) Think up where it could be linked from (e.g. a new section 'Notable people' in that Hicksville article). (2) Use the searchbox to find articles which mention the title of your article but don't link to it (because it didn't yet exist). If the searchbox drops you into an existing but irrelevant article, search for e.g. 'fizbuz .' rather than 'fizbuz'. (I wrote an article last week about a 13yo Italian kid who was awarded the Gold Medal of Military Valour during WWII; a serious decoration, on a par with the Victoria Cross and the Medal of Honor. Without links-in, it might be getting 1 view/day (if that); it's getting 8.)

Write an article or two, and you will likely be invited to visit the WP:TEAHOUSE; another place where experienced editors offer advice to newbies. Happy editing! Narky Blert (talk) 22:25, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Wish

Hello. Help add [2] for article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you. 27.74.247.140 (talk) 08:41, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 08:45, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I think I should delete the Facebook link.27.74.247.140 (talk) 08:48, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Nothing wrong at all with including the FaceBook link among the External links. It isn't a reliable source for notability purposes (neither is IMDb), but it's relevant. Narky Blert (talk) 08:54, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

But I think it's best to keep only one link IMDb. 27.74.247.140 (talk) 08:57, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

The FB and IMDb links do different things. They're both valid. Narky Blert (talk) 08:59, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

The IP has been leaving random comments to different users to remove that link. Based on what I have seen Facebook is not a reliable source for Wikipedia per policy [3], so I removed it. Psychologist Guy (talk) 09:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@Psychologist Guy: WP:RS doesn't apply to ELs. However, I see that FB is ruled out as EL by WP:LINKSTOAVOID #10. Narky Blert (talk) 09:10, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Ignore this sock puppet: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Haiyenslna – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:25, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Ta. Now that you mention it, the name Maureen Wroblewitz does seem to ring a bell. I think I may have been a year or so ago invited by an IP at least once to help improve that page, a request or requests which I ignored because of total lack of interest. (I perform well-defined verifiable small requests from IP editors as a matter of routine. I seem to attract them.)

Anywayz, now I know of that WP:SPI thread... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 21:49, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Pat the Dog Links

Good night. I'd like to know why you've made changes to the profile of one of Pat the Dog main characters. Why excessive links? I just put / added information. Why did you consider this as excessive links? I did not understand your attitude.

Blank entries

Do you know why some of the links on the bonus list give blank screens, then continue to show up on the bonus list? Try the three links under "Communism in India".
Vmavanti (talk) 15:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: I know that one – it's due to the Communism in Asia template, which is a child of Template:Asia topic. See Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links/Archive 14#Template time again. Narky Blert (talk) 15:22, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Litto

Hi! Just wanted to check with you. I've seen your changes and the dab link repairs and the tags are great, but I think the heading simplification doesn't make it better, I think it looks tidier with the headings. Is there a specific policy or a check-mate rationale for that bit? Thanks! Dr. Vogel (talk) 19:54, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@DrVogel: If there's a bright-line rule, it's buried somewhere deep in WP:MOS (and is probably contradicted somewhere else). There is some guidance at MOS:DABORG, but it's mostly about longish DAB pages. I try to follow a commonsense approach: what's the simplest way to help readers find what they're looking for? Sections of up to about six, or even eight, entries are easy to scan by eye (though it's worth separating seriously different things, like e.g. people and places/other uses, because those guide the eye to what you're after). Above that, and it's worth considering a split into sections. (Surnames are a common example. If there are only a few names, it's easy to find the person you want. If there are ten or more, it's an indigestible mass and you end up having to read every single entry in detail to find the one you're after.)

A flipside to that: it should also be easy to discover that the page you thought you were looking for isn't on the DAB page!

Readers who are searching by a name may not know if it's a given name, a surname, or a nickname. If they knew the full name, they wouldn't be reading the DAB page, they'd have gone straight to the article.

Some guidance on tags on the {{dab}} bit. Add |surname if there's even one person with that surname on the page. Add |geo if there are two places the important bit of whose name is the page title (the two places in Litto are a good example). Add |hndis if there are two people known primarily by a mononym. Don't add |given name unless there are several of them – any fool can dream up a novel given name, and many of them do.

If you do split a DAB page into sections and the table of contents appears, add {{TOC right}} just after the lead. Most readers looking at a DAB page will have at least a rough idea of what they're looking for, and the TOC gets in the way: you have to start with a scroll down before getting to the interesting bit.

Litto is a thoroughly good DAB page which needed writing. You've filled a gap. Do you know the intitle: search command, and the corresponding tag {{intitle}} for the see-also section? They're good ways of finding stragglers. Did you add the InterWiki link to de:Litto? because if you did, you did very well.

Get back to me any time. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 22:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Japan Academy Prize

A possible mistake here. The biochemist Tamio Yamakawa is on the DAB bonus list for winning the Japan Academy Prize for 1976. But on that list of winners for 1976 is biochemist Takashi Sugimura.
Vmavanti (talk) 19:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: Gud catch!

The list in Japan Academy Prize (academics) is very incomplete. The 1976 entry in ja:日本学士院賞 is, according to Google Translate:

    Sugimura Takashi (Ph.D.)-"Experimental research on the development of gastric cancer"
    Haruyuki Kaneko (Dr. of Literature)-"The Anthropology of Luther"
    Shigeo Shibata (Dr. of Literature)-"Study on historical thought of sectarian sect
    Kenji Seki (Ph.D.)-"Structural Thermodynamics of Solids"
    Sato Mikio (Ph.D.)-"Theory of Superfunctions and Its Applications"
    Tokio Yamamoto (Ph.D. Phys.)-"Genetic and Developmental Physiological Research on Sex Differentiation of Fish"
    Hashiguchi Takakichi (Dr. Eng.)-"Study of Metallic Materials by Internal Friction"
    Tamura Saburo (Agriculture Doctor)-"Chemical research on physiologically active substances"
    Yamakawa Tamio (Med. Doctor)-"Biochemical research on glycolipids"

and there they both are, and some others.

The state of the citations in both the English and the Japanese articles is appalling. However, Yamakawa's prize is mentioned in his obit (ref. 2 in his article, a top-rate WP:RS). It all looks legit, and I have both fixed the DABlink in Tamio Yamakawa and added him to Japan Academy Prize (academics).

I also took the opportunity to add {{cleanup section|date=May 2019|reason=dates in reverse chronological order, contrary to [[WP:DATELIST]].}} to the Prize article. That's one of my pieces of boilerplate text; it's astonishing how many editors seem to think that the best way to present history is with the newest stuff first. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 20:58, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

An old adversary is on its bike

Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_April_16#Module:Cycling_race has closed as delete. Certes (talk) 23:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: I can't say that I'll miss that collection.

Closer may have reasoned that (1) both the template and the keep arguments are unintelligible, and (2) what's wrong with wikitable anyway?

No-one even mentioned the quality problems with Wikidata; or the assumption that everyone in a cycling race passes WP:NCYCLING.

Advice from an experienced English-speaking cycling pro to a novice: "Learn to swear in several languages. Your teammates will respect you for your efforts to communicate". Narky Blert (talk) 08:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Firetrap

I found a couple sources for "firetrap". One here which also uses the term "fire sack" and "anti-tank area". "These were ambush sites on routes that armour might follow if it broke through and continued into a rear area." A second source states on p. 68: "A fire trap is a location preselected by friendlies as an opportune defensive position. Selection is based on being able to draw the enemy into the trap and then extractive a heavy toll from him." Sounds like an ambush. But I would like to find a better explanation.—Vmavanti (talk) 01:10, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: There's a hole in WP. Kill zone is a related topic, but written entirely from a modern perspective

The idea of a defensive area which it is death to enter goes back to at least the Ancient Romans. They sometimes defended their forts with what is called a Punic ditch (no article; and despite the name, almost certainly nothing to do with Carthage). That was a ditch with an outer wall which was too steep to climb back up, a shallower inner wall which exposed the attackers to the defenders' fire, and possibly a narrow ankle-breaker ditch at the bottom. With gunpowder came the idea of interlocking fields of fire; see e.g. the C17 star-shaped forts of Sébastien Le Prestre de Vauban#Defensive doctrines; fortifications, and the early C19 Lines of Torres Vedras; that type of idea continues. The aim is to discourage attackers from attacking.

A related but arguably distinct topic is the massacre zone, where the attackers don't foresee the danger. It can be intentional (in which case it is often an ambush or an envelopment, both of which could include luring an attacker into a prepared lethal position) or accidental. There are many examples of the former, including the battles of Teutoburg Forest and Cannae and the Falaise Pocket. The latter type can explain the wholly disproportionate casualties in pre-gunpowder battles such as Towton and Agincourt, which I surmise were the results of crushes.

A typical case of knowing enough about the subject to see the problem, but not enough to write the article... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 07:54, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: I've posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Firetrap, and related topics. Narky Blert (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

You have an encyclopedic memory.
Vmavanti (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for help

I wanted to express my great gratitude to you for your repaired the page at 15:28, 11 June 2019‎. Please repair it again after my edits. -- Khurshed.yusufbekov (talk) 02:31, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Tndis?

I thought there actually was a {{tndis}}, as implied in your edit note. I seem to remember one. So, do you just add the category and there is no dab template at all? (I’ve been away from editing for a while. Some things have clearly changed!) — Gorthian (talk) 03:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Okay, never mind, I found your explanation Thanks! — Gorthian (talk) 04:41, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages without "(disambiguation)" identifier

Hi Narky Blert, I noticed that you recently changed the redirect hatnote link from Cognizance to Cognizance (disambiguation) at the Cognizant article in Special:Diff/902817811. In this case, since Cognizance (disambiguation) redirects back to Cognizance, is it still preferred to use "(disambiguation)" in the link? — Newslinger talk 20:05, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

• @Newslinger:, yes, per WP:INTDABLINK. bd2412 T 20:31, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
  • ​Thanks! — Newslinger talk 20:32, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
    • @Newslinger: What BD2412 said. See also WP:HOWTODAB. (I've come across, and reverted, admins and 10-year editors who didn't know those rules; so you're by no means alone! and, props for asking.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 22:11, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Just why

Just why you put the disambig tag on this article? I know you are a master on this kind of stuff.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 12:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@Jeromi Mikhael: Central Executive Committee is a DAB page, and none of the entries on it relate to Indonesia. I was unsure as to what the CEC was the CEC of; hence the {{dab}} tag. If you know, and can either add its full name or add a parenthetical qualifier to turn the link into a redlink, or can redirect it to an article which mentions it - job done!. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

I put the translation on the term. CEC is a translation on the term I got in the newspaper. Dewan means "council", pimpinan means "leader" (hence the term executuve), and pusat means "central".--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 13:10, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@Jeromi Mikhael: Good solution, I've removed the dab tag. Narky Blert (talk) 13:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

RAj

Thanks so lot are you understand history of rajpasi

    Very very thanks Adolf bijili (talk) 07:37, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Lazar Paču

Hello, I would like to ask why did you add the tag on Lazar Paču? I see no ongoing discussion or bigger problems on the article, which indeed needs more work. Mm.srb (talk) 07:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@Mm.srb: I did not add a tag; all I did was add a sortkey, and fix an ambiguous link to King Peter (also removing the {{dn}} tag which was next to it). Narky Blert (talk) 07:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Ok, ty. Mm.srb (talk) 08:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Lakkos tou Fragkou

Localities.cy (talk) 10:33, 19 July 2019 (UTC)Narky Blert Thanks for your messages, I'm new in Wikipedia so mistakes will happen.

Thanks for editting for me.

@Localities.cy: You're welcome. We all make mistakes; I've had the embarrassment of finding and correcting ones of my own. Narky Blert (talk) 10:46, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

You do such a fantastic work all around, I must congratulate you

By giving a look at your recent contributions I see how you make an incredibke ammount of all sort of fixes, corrections and improvements all over Wikipedia. See you have been focus latelly in fixing DAB isues, but not only, your ammount of technical work and mantainance is so valuable. It is so nice when diferent sort of editors working together archive an excellent result. Content creation editors can be as good and experienced as they can, but it is your work later that makes that content to be in the right place, properly interconected within the universe of content, and to be accessible from where it should be. I must say that I trully admire your passion and dedication to our project here. I know usually this sort of work goes underestimated but I am happy to verify you got plenty of recognition, and if you don´t take me wrong from taking you this coupla of minutes, I would like to highlight your so deserved recognition even more.

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Master of the backstage, doing the technical work necessary to keep the project running smoothly as this wheel, you are an brilliant editors which certainly deserves much recognition. Kindest regards, FkpCascais (talk) 23:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

This barnstar is basic, and, as far as I remember, one of the oldest ones, but I see you don´t have it despite having many other much more sofisticated ones. The star is in perpetual motion, so I hope it will look cool, and besides, it´s perfect for you, since your continuos contributions make the project run efficiently and in motion reming of the star.

I wander how haven´t we crossed earlier, this time I noteced you because you fixed some links in a couple of articles I created these last days. One was Josip Takač where you fixed my link just perfectly. But, the other is Zdravko Juričko. Your dmb choice was not a good one. I see where you came with her from, from Yugoslavia national under-23 football team and its options. Yugoslavia U-23 is basically an alternative name for the Olympic team. The U-21 side only got into the story because on one, and only one, occasion, in 1978, the U-21 team replaced the U-23 one.

In my view I think that merging Yugoslavia national under-21 football team and Yugoslavia Olympic football team will be correct, as the U-23 team, just as in most rest of the world, is just a team that competes for qualifiers for the Olympics. At least that is how it was back then. What happened in 1978 when Yugoslavia sent the U-21 team instead of U-23 one, was just an exception, worth mention in the main article, but bot enough reason to put in question if U-23 and Olympic are usually the same.

Then, I guess I see the problem with Zdravko Juričko. It was my mistake of linking the U-23 Yugoslav team. He played for the Yugoslav B national team. The B national team existed in both, monarchist and communist times. Yugoslavia was sort of UK, and forming a consensual national team was mission imposible since the begining. Furthermore, not only there were numerous good players disputing same spot in the squad, but also there was a political interference which insisted all nationalities and regions to be represented in the A national team. This created a mess and the YFA decided to form a B team which will include players deserving to be in the A national team but for various reasons were not. The B national team would usually gather at same time when main team, and would play numerous friendly or exhibition matches, occasionally international tournaments. The main coach of A national team would also use the B team to experiment tactics and avaluate players. The Yugoslav B team, despite not competing officially and not having its games recognised by UEFA or FIFA, still enjoyed high reputation and popularity, especially domestically outside major urban centers, as usually provided a chance for spectators to see more players from the local clubs, opposed to the well known stars established in the main team usually for long periods of time.

There are several publications, some even containing the full information about the games and players the B Yugoslav national team had, I had free access to them some time ago trough colleagues I collaborate with regarding football history, I may see if I can get access again and create an article about Yugoslavia national B football team, but until the I am not sure which link would be the most adequate one for Juričko, however, the U-21 definitelly wouldn´t be the one, as the B team was a senior team by all means. Not sure how familiarised with football you are, I´ll wait for your suggestion definitelly. Kindest regards, and keep up the great work! Whenever you come across some doubts about Balkans or ex-Yugoslavia please feel free to ask me, I will gladly help if I can. FkpCascais (talk) 23:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

@FkpCascais: Thank you for the barnstar and the kind words! The more time I spend on WP, the more I discover that there are all sorts of specialists doing work behind the scenes which the general reader doesn't notice.

I had come across DABlink problems to the DAB page Yugoslavia national under-23 football team before. They have often been a puzzle of some sort. I don't remember seeing such a problem with any other country (although of course I may have done). I agree with your suggestion to merge the two pages. What you say makes great sense. If those articles puzzle an experienced DABfixer, they will most certainly puzzle general readers.

I wasn't happy with that fix in Zdravko Juričko. "A regular at the Yugoslav B national team" didn't sound like a junior player. I found no help in hr:Zdravko Juričko (1929.). From what you know about the B team, I suggest changing the link in that article to Yugoslavia national football B team, a redlink.

Is there an article about Yugoslavia B in any of the South Slavic WPs? It's a difficult topic to search without knowing the exact name they played under, in five or six languages and two scripts. The team certainly deserves an article. I've found a parallel: England national football B team, although that was a team for up-and-coming younger players rather than a second team. There's a link in that article to Switzerland national football B team – a very thin article, with no references and no links to other WPs.

It is a measure of Tito's strength of personality that he managed to hold Yugoslavia, an entity cobbled together after the collapse of first the Ottoman and then the Austro-Hungarian Empires, together as one country for ten years after his death. The Balkans (like the Middle East) are a sort of human parallel to tectonic plates in geology, whose collisions result in volcanoes and earthquakes. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 08:42, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Eheh don´t forget there was Yugoslavia before Tito, and it was Serbia who was independent and fought 3 wars in order to get all South Slavs free which were still under Austro-Hungarian or Ottoman rule. People use to forget that and think Yugoslavia emerged right away from nothing, and wasn´t like that, there were tho already independent monarchies (Serbia and Montenegro) fighting for Yugoslavia to become reality. The Serbia that existed in 19th and early 20th centuries still had half of Serbs living outside its borders, and after winning two Balkan wars and a decisive WWI, it finally got the right to expand to the lands Serbs lived in which still belonged to those earlier empires. In a complicated geopolical strategy, it was decided that Serbian army should liberate a bit further and add Croats and Slovenens as well to their nation, in what many western chancellaries saw a an ideal way to create a slightly bigger, but multiethnic state, instead of Serbian one. All Tito did after WWII was to take by force the power which was agreed to be shared with the king. He ignored the king,couple of years later he ignored Stalin as well, and he created this new Yugoslavia which enjoyed prestige because it ended up being the only nation which liberated itself from the Axis by its own resistance, without being Soviet or American troops to do it. Internally, Tito menaged balance mostly by sacrificing Serbs with the excuse of creating more balance, an action at time accepted with the idea that in the end all Serbs would live in this Yugoslavia united with its motherland anyway, however, this ws what triggered all the problems that would rise in the 1990s.

Tito had its good and bad sides, my grandfather after all worked almost directly to him and was his personal escort to many of his trips mostly related to the Non-Aligned Movement he dedicated himself so much. However, its unfair that Tito shadows the previous Yugoslavia, which was Karadjordjevic´s dinasty sacrifice in order to make more people happy then just their own. Yugoslavia after all took all seats at international organisations which were the ones of Serbia. Not like if the country came to existance from nothing.

Regarding the Wiki issues, Slavic wikipedias are not very strong and usually just follow what we do at en.wiki. I´ll try to see what can I gather about Yugoslavia B team and see if an adequate article can be made. But, as you well concluded, it´s definitelly NOT a youth team, but a senior one much like the Swiss and English exemples you brought. FkpCascais (talk) 17:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

@FkpCascais: The Balkan WPs can sometimes be very good on local topics (which is what they should be good on, of course). I've added {{ill}} links to all six of them to solve DAB problems in English WP.

There was a lot of pan-Slav enthusiasm in the late 19th Century. A lot of it was very naive: it was assumed that Russia would welcome and treat other Slavs as equals.

I did know that the Yugoslavs threw out the Nazis unassisted, and that Tito refused all offers of Soviet "help" and stopped them from meddling.

I have actually written a Serbia-related article: Milenković family. Reading between the lines, I get the impression that Svetozar made it clear in no uncertain terms to his parishioners that whatever they might think of Jews, either they did it his way or they could expect a very unpleasant experience indeed in the afterlife.

Fun Balkan fact #1. The 1883 Paris Convention is one of the basic treaties relating to industrial property (patents, industrial designs and trademarks). Check the list of original signatories.

Fun Balkan fact #2. In 1920, C. B. Fry, best known as a cricketer, was offered the crown of Albania.

Fun Balkan fact #3. Raguser is a French word for 'betray'; from Ragusa; not because the Ragusans had a reputation for betrayal, but because Napoleon's Marshal Marmont, Duke of Ragusa did. Narky Blert (talk) 18:46, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, Tito did allowed Soviets to enter Belgrade and Vojvodina, but that was not because he needed them against Germans, but because both communist Partisans and monarchist Chetniks basically racing eachother who will liberate most territory, and Tito used Soviets to enter from the east and occupy Belgrade to give him the advantage. Its was such a nasty political move, brilliant on his side. Everyone knew Soviets would back Tito Partisans and have no simpathies towards monarchists. After the war, Tito was part of the Cominform, but soon Stalin felt Tito was having too much influence, and the Tito–Stalin split occured. In name of all people born in Yugoslavia, I can say we were so lucky because of it, because we didn´t had in Yugoslavia none of the restrains Soviet-allies had, and we had a sort of most liberal socialism possible.

You made such a great job with Milenković family. I can just say that other neighbours offered no help because those were such hard times back then. Germans had special hate towards Serbs. I don´t know if you know how Hitler hated specially Serbs, because as a nationalist, he grew up in Austria following vividly the WWI events, and it was not even in his dreams that a mighty Austro-Hungarian empire would be humiliated and defeated by a small Serbia, an event which resulted in destruction of the empire Hitler was born in and was proud of. Hitler made a law that said that for each German soldier killed a 100 Serbian civilians would be massacred, and for each wounded, 50. That is why Chetniks after initialyly becoming the first resistance group, later adopted a more passive atitude, because they didn´t wanted the nation to be slaughtered, while Partisans were more radical and engaged in actions regardless. That would become a major polemic later,because Tito Partisans would use that to accuse monarchists of being collaborationists, a very complicated situation. Anyway, Jews and Serbs were seing their faith being shared under nazi regimes, it was really hard. Tito later came and demonised all other resistance groups, and even made Croatia the major Axis state not to pay any war reparations, and even got territorially expanded, despite being brutal equally, or even mre, than Gemrans themselves, in the will of anhiquilation of Jews, Serbs, and other undesired elements...

Fun fact n1, no wander :)

Fun fact n2, if you see, only Serbia is the nation in the region that only had its own royal families, the others all had foreigners as rulers. Another funny exemple is Independent State of Croatia offer of crown to Prince Aimone, Duke of Aosta. They wanted so badly to have a monarchy they offered themelves to Aimone, who.... refused them... lol

Fun fact n3, Ragusan may mean betrail because of the following. Ragusa became proeminent when during middle ages became an commercial outpost of Serbia. Serbia was known as a major producer of metals, and as such, became known along Portugal as main forgery of coins. Specially during Serbian empire. This forgery of monney irritated western monarchies to its maximum levels, is it maybe because of that that they considered Ragusa "betrail"? Cause all Serbian exports including counterfited coins were exported trough Ragusa. FkpCascais (talk) 23:18, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

@FkpCascais: The most implausible royal dynasty in Europe, if not anywhere, may be the House of Bernadotte, which still survives.

Jean Bernadotte was the son of a French lawyer. He joined the French revolutionary army as a private. He was an outspoken anti-monarchist, was rapidly promoted, and was raised to the rank of Marshal by Napoleon. Napoleon nearly had him court-martialled twice for cowardice, and IMO he would have richly deserved it.

He was kind to some Swedish prisoners. After Sweden's royal line died out, he was offered the crown, and accepted it. Narky Blert (talk) 11:23, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

James

@Narky Blert, Thank you for fixing the link to the DAB page for the James discography I edited on July 4, 2019. It was my first edit ever! Hopefully I'll create an actual page for it. Also I will study the DAB link articles you provided on your user page--very helpful. I have learned a lot already. As it turns out, learning takes time. :o) Your credentials are impressive and fun for someone like me to consider. Thanks again! CharlesTStokes (talk) 22:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@CharlesTStokes: That's the sort of thing us WikiGnomes do! I'm pleased that you found something of use on my User Page. All we editors have a lot to learn; I keep on finding new things. Feel free to ask me questions anytime.

As a James fan, it was a pleasure to make that edit (even by adding a redlink) and improve the article. Happy editing, as they say. Narky Blert (talk) 23:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Chronicon Altinate

Hi, in Chronicon Altinate, you changed Chronicon Gradense to Chronicon Venetum et Gradense. Do you have a WP:RS? The cited source in the Chronicon Venetum et Gradense article explicitly says "John [the Deacon] has also been credited, but erroneously, with the 'Chronicon Gradense'". As far as I can tell, the Chronicon Venetum is distinct from the Chronicon Gradense, with different authors and different dates. See Giovanni Monticolo, Cronache Veneziane Antichissime, 1890 full text. See also the comments of Ugo Balzani, Le cronache italiane nel medio evo, 1973, p. 144. --Macrakis (talk) 16:27, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Macrakis: I think I was wrong and you are right: a bit more googling appears to show that Gradense and Venetum et Gradense were distinct. Narky Blert (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: What seems to be going on is that Venetum was published together with Gradense by Monticolo and others. I don't think there's actually a thing called Chronicon Venetum et Gradense, just one called Venetum and the other called Gradense. But it's not easy to find solid sources -- many sources talk loosely about Chronicon Venetum et Gradense without apparently knowing the documents themselves. --Macrakis (talk) 17:51, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Macrakis: Untrustworthy sources are a pest. In one of my articles, I added an editorial footnote saying, in suitably neutral language, that I thought that accounts in two sources (which contradicted each other, which were supported by nothing else, and which if true could only have been based on reports by non-existent eyewitnesses) were fictional. I also remember a DABfixing problem involving a German exonym, where I managed to track down a digitised version of the original source. It was a C18 book, and if it had been a WP article I would have hauled it up before WP:AFD as pure WP:OR. I solved the problem, but had serious doubts as to whether what the source said was true. Narky Blert (talk) 07:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Broken tools

Do you have any ideas about fixing the problems with these broken tools, Dabfix, Commonfixes, etc.? I can't even login to this page without getting a Python error. They have been helpful tools—when they work. I've left many messages on the Talk page of the user Dispenser, but I never get a response, and the tools appear to be in worse shape than ever. There are others on Wikipedia who know how to program. Is there a way to connect them with these problems? My knowledge of this area is sketchy and scant. Thanks.
Vmavanti (talk) 17:02, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: I don't use either of those tools, so haven't noticed anything. (My major annoyance is Disambiguation pages with links and its fix lists returning 503 errors, which it does several times a day - probably something within ToolForge.) The one active editor I know of who might understand those tools is R'n'B. Feel free to discuss the issue here, to avoid WP:DISCUSSFORKing it. Narky Blert (talk) 17:48, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Intramolecular DAB

Thank you for doing the legwork to resolve those! DMacks (talk) 06:42, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@DMacks: YW. All now done, I hope. As I expected, 95% of the links were about reactions, and only a few about internal H-bonds or the like. Narky Blert (talk) 06:54, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Concern

Hiii, Narky Blert! I have a concern regarding my edit on the article Sanjivani (2019 TV series) and MTV Hustle which is getting reverted. Am I wrong with my editing capabilities. Or I'm not suitable for Wikipedia. Or just ip user is given the right to contribute Wikipedia with their valid edit. As we have to abide by the 3RR and to have a good rapport with the fellow editor. Thanks CrewBeat (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

@CrewBeat: c8ac has been busy busy busy, but I don't see much wrong with their edits (or with yours, come to that); though both of you should perhaps add edit summaries more often (ideally, every time). The editing histories of those two articles look pretty normal. Reversion doesn't always mean that another editor thinks you're misbehaving; it can just be a sign that another editor disagrees with you, and the notification means that you get a heads-up about the disagreement.

It can be difficult to interact with IP editors, because they often don't respond to posts on their own Talk Page. If a problem does seem to be developing, start a discussion on the article Talk Page, mark your edit with a hidden note something like <!--See Talk Page-->, and try to get some input that way.

Both addition and removal of the {{more references}} tag on MTV Hustle were judgment calls. I haven't looked at the references, but three on an article about a brand-new series is a good number: there's support for all the sentences in the lead paragraph. I've seen many articles about Indian TV and film where the sourcing was very much worse.

If you have any other questions of this kind, the best place to ask is the Teahouse (there's a link in the welcome message on your Talk Page). That way, you might get advice from several editors, rather than just the one who may or may not know what they're talking about. Happy editing! Narky Blert (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Any reliable way to detect DAB pages via API?

Hi, I noticed you had made an edit to repair a DAB page on Index of Singapore-related articles. In my update of the list, it seems that the DAB tag may have been dropped. The script I use simply takes the actual page titles from Singapore related categories via API and churn out the list. Short of either making a secondary call for each page to determine if the page is DAB page through its membership of to the disam category or lackof, or manually repair the page offline before updating, is there any reliable manner to detect such pages via API? I want to try to avoid making 10000+ calls (to check each page), on top the 2.4k+ calls (on each category) I am already making. Please advise. Thanks! robertsky (talk) 17:46, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Robertsky: I don't use API, so can't help there.

It may not be worth the effort of adding tedious time-consuming code to check every page found by a script to see if it's a DAB. There are today 5,072 DAB pages with links (see WP:TDD Table 1 Column 1). It takes me about 4-5 weeks to cycle through the DABlink report updated every 12 hours (made by User:DPL bot) on which that Table is based, so nothing easily soluble should hang around for too long, and the difficult ones will get flagged as {{dn}}. (Other WP:DPL members concentrate on attacking other DPL bot reports.)

If you want an easy indication from an article that a link is to a DAB page without mousing over or opening everything: go to Special:Preferences/Gadgets#Appearance, and enable 'Display links to disambiguation pages in orange'.

Pinging Certes, who has expertise in this area. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 18:57, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Noted. For the time being while a sane programmatic way is found, I will account for that one page in the script. robertsky (talk) 00:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Backlog Banzai

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Help

(I've just archived some old material on this page, and am therefore restarting this section.)

I have said this to you before, O respected IP editor (I am not being in any way sarcastic – I really do mean that!) who keeps asking me to make changes to protected pages. Create a named account for yourself, and make the 500 edits needed to become a WP:EXTENDEDCONFIRMED editor. All your suggestions are so good for Wikipedia that you should make them under your own username, and take the credit for yourself. Some of the errors you have found are of types which are extremely difficult to find, and I congratulate you on finding them. If you had a named account, I would award you a WP:BARNSTAR of some sort.

Am I right in thinking that English is not your mother tongue? If I am right, consider editing the Wikipedia in your mother tongue also. In my experience, the Wikipedias in all languages of the Subcontinent are embarrassingly awful. They should be world-class on local topics. Think of your favourite cricketer, and look at the Wikipedia articles on him in English and in his mother tongue. Where should kids in the Subcontinent be able to first find information on their hero? not English Wikipedia, that's for sure! Those kids may be the editors of the future – if they first find Wikipedia through an article in Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Malayalam, Marathi, Odiya, Punjabi, Tamil, Telugu, Urdu, or whichever language they speak.

Some languages of the Subcontinent, notably in northeast India, have no Wikipedia at all. I think that's scandalous. Narky Blert (talk) 23:20, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Category:Chase films to Category:American chase films and from Category:Detective films to Category:American detective films in The Last Stand (2013 film) and from Category:Chase films to Category:American chase films in Transformers (film) and Johnny Mnemonic (film)? Thank you! --178.66.110.17 (talk) 09:38, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done x4. Narky Blert (talk) 16:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Category:Serial killer films to Category:American serial killer in Replicant (film), from Category:Neo-noir to Category:American neo-noir films in The Dark Knight (film) and Batman Returns? Thank you! --178.71.201.74 (talk) 07:15, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done x3. Narky Blert (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Dear Marky Blert! Can you linking from Super Cassettes Industries T-Series to T-Series (company) in Bairavaa, Guru Randhawa, List of film production companies in India and List of live-action film production companies? Thank you! --178.71.161.221 (talk) 16:48, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done The links are redirect to T-Series (company), and will be useful if the Super Cassettes Industries topic is ever split out. See WP:NOTBROKEN. Narky Blert (talk) 16:46, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from 118 to 118 (film) in article Nivetha Thomas? Thank you! --178.71.161.221 (talk) 06:50, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:50, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Mumtaz to Mumtaz (actress) in article Rajesh Khanna? Thank you! --178.71.205.84 (talk) 08:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:50, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking Category:Indian films about revenge and Category:Films about Indian slavery in K.G.F: Chapter 1 and Category:Films about Indian slavery‎ in Srimanthudu, Category:American sequel films and Category:American films about revenge in Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame? Thank you! --95.55.106.2 (talk) 10:15, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done x4. Narky Blert (talk) 15:55, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

dn breaking cs1|2 citation templates

With your revert of my revert of your edit you left this edit summary: Either fix it or unlink it. A link to a DAB page is USELESS.

Before you initially added {{dn}} to |authorlink=Blu the link worked ([[Blu|Blu]]). Yes it linked to a dab page, but at least there was a link that might or might not be USELESS (there really is no need to shout) because there is the possibility that readers can navigate from the dab page to wherever is appropriate. After your edits, there is no link because |authorlink=Blu{{dn}} puts all of this:

[[Category:All articles with links needing disambiguation]][[Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation ]]<sup class="plainlinks noprint Inline-Template" style="vertical-align:text-top;white-space:nowrap;">[<i>[http://dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py?page=Kommunity_FK&editintro=Template:Disambiguation_needed/editintro&client=Template:Dn <span title="Link needs disambiguation.">disambiguation needed</span>]</i>]</sup>

inside of a plain wikilink (two category wikilinks and an external link plus html markup). MediaWiki cannot make sense out of nested wikilinks and shouldn't be expected to do so. Because MediaWiki cannot resolve the mess that results from adding {{dn}} to |authorlink=, readers have no opportunity to navigate to the appropriate article because there is no link to anywhere that is useful to readers – dab solver is fine for editors but not for readers.

So, parroting your words back to you, Either fix it or unlink it or, add {{dn}} after the cs1|2 template. I would also suggest that {{dn}} get modified to accept |reason= so that you can explicitely state which link in a cs1|2 template needs disambiguation. Depriving readers of a link to somewhere is not a solution to the problem

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:53, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Links to DAB pages are errors under WP:INTDAB. They need to be fixed. Links to DAB pages are, except in very rare cases, unhelpful to readers. They are beyond useless if there is no relevant entry on the DAB page.

The placement of my {{dn}} tag makes it perfectly clear that the problem is the link to the DAB page Blu. It is perfectly normal practice to put dn tags inside {{cite}} and other templates to mark where the problem is. I see and fix several every day. No |reason= field is needed: dn is self-explanatory. (It is, however, common practice among experienced DABfixers to add <!-- --> notes to explain in difficult cases how they've tried and failed to solve a problem for the benefit of others.) Your removals of the dn tag have meant that Kommunity FK keeps disappearing from Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation, so that no other expert DABfixer who might be able to solve this problem is notified of it.

I shouted, because you have reverted me four times but have done nothing to address the underlying problem. I see this specific problem about every four or five weeks, because that's how long it takes me to cycle through the 5000-odd entries in Disambiguation pages with links, trying to hold that number or reduce it. This specific problem is beginning to really annoy me. If this Blu is notable, identify him from from among the options on the DAB page; or, add a qualifier and redlink him. If he isn't notable (and I suspect he isn't), unlink him. There is no other option. Narky Blert (talk) 23:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

I do not dispute that links to dab pages are ofttimes errors. Nor do I dispute that they need to be fixed. What I dispute is your practice of 'fixing' one kind of error by creating another kind of error which is what happens when you add {{dn}} to |authorlink=. It may be common practice to put {{dn}} in various templates but that should always be done with care. When a template merely echos parameter values in the template's rendering such practice is likely harmless. In cs1|2 templates, |author-link= and the various other |<name>-link= parameters are not so echoed but are manipulated by the template code before the result is rendered. Even for those cs1|2 parameters that are not manipulated, many of the parameters where wikilinking is permitted should not have {{dn}} added to their values because the whole value is included in metadata that these templates produce; inclusion of the rendered {{dn}} (as above in my first post) corrupts the metadata. This proscription is noted in the cs1|2 template docs as, for example, here at {{cite web}}.

I have no interest in Kommunity FK nor any interest in Blu (whomever that might be). My only interest in that particular article arises because your misapplied 'fix' drops the article into Category:CS1 errors: parameter link. I presume that you count yourself among those whom you label experienced DABfixers (edit summaries of 3000+ of the 5000 most recent of your en.wiki contributions refer to some form of 'DAB page' work). As an expert, clearly you should have been able to have resolved the dab-page link problem at Kommunity FK by following the instructions that you demanded of me: Either fix it or unlink it. Had you obeyed your own commands, this conversation would not have been necessary.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I've unlinked the term. It refers to Christine Blu Ashton who has no article or mentions worth redlinking. Of course, I've not solved the general problem. We do need these dn tags, but it would be better to find a way to insert them without breaking the page rendering. Certes (talk) 01:15, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Members of the {{cite}} family aren't the only ones which have this sort of issue. Others include {{jct}}, {{main}}, several railway templates including {{s-line}}, and {{election box candidate with party link}} and its relatives. An additional problem with the latter two is that even if the answer is known, DABfixing may need to be done somewhere deep within complex template code.

{{Infobox river}} bluelinks to any tributary it can find with an article, but gets round the problem by blacklinking anything with {{dn}} attached.

Hatnotes aren't a problem. If the solution isn't immediately obvious, that hatnote field should be deleted.

A related, but minor, annoyance in cite is that |authorlink= doesn't accept {{ill}}. The link to the author has to be placed in the reference outside the cite template. Narky Blert (talk) 10:07, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Placing {{dn}} after the citation template, immediately before the </ref> tag, may be the least bad option. The semi-automated dab fixing tools don't do that, but I know you normally edit such pages manually. It may be less obvious which link to fix, but many of us have links to dabs highlighted in some way. Certes (talk) 11:39, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

{{ill}} does not work in |author-link= for the same reason that {{dn}} does not work. {{ill}} renders as a local wikilink plus and inter-wiki link plus a category link plus miscellaneous html; cs1|2 then wraps that with |author= (or |last= and |first=) into another wikilink:

[[[[<local wikilink>]]<sup class="noprint" style=" font-style: normal; ">&nbsp;&#91;[[:<lang code>:<article title>|<lang code>]][[Category:Interlanguage link template link number|<sort key>]]&#93;</sup>|<author name>]]

MediaWiki cannot make sense out of nested wikilinks. To interwiki-link |author= using |author-link=, write:

|author-link=:<lang code>:<article title>.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I dislike soft Interwiki links on general principles (except in the parenthetical form ([[:lang code:article|lang code]]), which points the reader in the right direction while expressing doubt that a translation would get through WP:GNG). It isn't obvious from a softlinked bluelink that an article might be missing; and if the article does get written, the link still points to a non-English rather than (more usefully) to the English article. Narky Blert (talk) 18:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Jim Rosborough

As is evidenced by your contributions, you are one of those DABfixers who knows how to fix dabs (180ish of your last 500 edits have an edit summary similar to Link to DAB page repaired) so, as the expert, you could have, you should have, obeyed your own demands to Just fix it instead of breaking the cs1|2 citation template.

I am not a DABfixer, I have said as much, but you are, so do not demand of me that which you will not do yourself.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:31, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: If I had been able to find the answer, I would have added a blue or red link; but I failed to, despite searching. I have no idea whether that David Nelson is notable or not. Narky Blert (talk) 12:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

In our previous discussion you demanded of me: Either fix it or unlink it. You could have done as you have demanded of me: you could have unlinked it by simply deleting |authorlink2=David Nelson, then: no broken template, no need for me to revert, no need for this discussion.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:07, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I've boldly removed the link. From the one-line biography here, I don't think he has or is likely to get an article. Certes (talk) 12:54, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Gud catch, I'd missed that one; and agree with unlinking. Narky Blert (talk) 13:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open

Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Purpose of Disambiguous/Redirect Links & Spelling

Check the talk section:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:American_and_British_English_pronunciation_differences#Purpose_of_Disambiguous%2FRedirect_Links_%26_Spelling

NKM1974 (talk) 17:41, 03 September 2019 (UTC)

@NKM1974: I've already replied at that Talk Page. Narky Blert (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Strange dabs in templates

Could you take a look at Template:Dalcassians which includes links to dab pages Flannagan & Scully. It doesn't show up at "Templates with dab links" but is generating lots of dabs & I can't work out what is going on.— Rod ^talk 08:33, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw: Very odd. I looked at the links-in to Flannagan and Scully, and everything seems in order.

However, Template:Dalcassians calls them through their (disambiguation) redirects - which are completely unnecessary, because they are both pure name pages. I haven't always gone all the way back, but this is my analysis of the relevant page histories:

1. Flannagan has been a name page since at least 15 December 2018
2. Scully has been a name page since 19 January 2019; it had previously been classed as {{dab|surname}}; see this diff
3. Template:Dalcassians has called those two pages through their (disambiguation) redirects since at least 2 October 2018; see this diff
4. Flannagan (disambiguation) and Scully (disambiguation) were both created in August 2010 by User:RussBot, which is owned by our colleague R'n'B
5. In August 2010, Flannagan was categorised as {{dab}} (<rolls eyes />); see this diff
6. In August 2010, Scully was (improperly) categorised as {{dab}} {{surname}}; see this diff

In brief, I can see no recent changes which might have made anything happen.

IMO, Template:Dalcassians should be edited to link directly to Flannagan and Scully, and the redirects deleted under WP:G6. (I am aware that some editors have the opinion that (disambiguation) redirects to name pages are harmless and need not be deleted. I disagree.) I haven't made such changes, because this discussion is in progress.

Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 09:47, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw: What exactly do you mean by generating lots of dabs? I agree that we should bypass these redirects but I don't see where they are currently causing problems. On the other hand, Fenelon (which I just fixed) really does need to link to Fenelon (disambiguation). Certes (talk) 10:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

If you look at Articles With Multiple Dablinks there are 20+ articles showing 2 links to dab pages (eg Ballinalacken Castle, Ballyhannon Castle, etc etc). What they have in common is that they include Template:Dalcassians (under the title Dál gCais).— Rod ^talk 11:14, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

So they do. That report usually omits all links to X (disambiguation), assuming them to be INTDABLINKs. Perhaps it reports links to X (disambiguation) where X is not a dab, in case that needs attention? Certes (talk) 12:36, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

A report of all (disambiguation) redirects which have non-DAB targets might be worthwhile. Narky Blert (talk) 12:42, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

While on the subject, I've just turned The Perils of Pauline from an SIA into a DAB page. There were 5 bad incoming links. (The Perils of Pauline (disambiguation) already existed.) Narky Blert (talk) 12:57, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Fusilladeplaats Rozenoord

In the past you made this article. I was there yesterday and it seems the mentioned coordinates are wrong. You will find the right coordinates in the Dutch article. In the meantime there is a dutch article for the new monument as well nl:Monument Rozenoord with lots of picture on commons. I pinged Wikidata as well (I am not good in mentioning the coordinates),Ceescamel (talk) 09:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ceescamel: Dank u wel. In the English article, I have corrected the coordinates; added the link Monument Rozenoord; and also added commons:Category:Rozenoord (Amsterdam). Narky Blert (talk) 10:16, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced

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Kho wikimedia

Good day! please don't change the Kho wikimedia page if you are not the same surname hope you can understand we need peace! Same surname need to give you a great day! Thank you! K.b.cheng (click to talk to me) 10:01, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

@K.b.cheng: Kho is very difficult to navigate. The changes I made obeyed the guidelines MOS:DABORDER, MOS:DABGROUPING and WP:LONGDAB. Narky Blert (talk) 14:16, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Bro why you have deleted the names. Their name have no links but they are great beatboxer. Some of them are great beatboxer. You have deleted ball-zee's name who is 3 time UK beatboxer champ and alexinho is former world champ mad teinz are former world tag team beatbox champs. There are many more names whom you have deleted but they are great beatboxer. Oyitijhya Das (talk) 02:56, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Could you please move Indian Television Academy Awards for Best Actor Drama to Indian Television Academy Award for Best Actor Drama? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:411F:68F3:0:0:1ED7:F8A5 (talk) 15:25, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done No reason given. Narky Blert (talk) 16:52, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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What is a DAB page?

Thanks for fixing something that was wrong with the extra link I put into the CBS_Records_International page's 'See also' section, namely a link to Oriole_Records_ (UK): Latest revision as of 13:11, 22 September 2019 (edit) (undo) (thank) Narky Blert (talk | contribs) (Link to DAB page repaired)

I'm still a newbie here and would like to know what a DAB page is and why the link to it had to be repaired?

Thanks in advance if you could explain a bit more about all that please? Anameisbutaname^Talk 13:55, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

@Anameisbutaname: Thanks for asking. 'DAB' is Wikipedia shorthand for 'disambiguation'. Oriole Records is a refreshingly simple example of a DAB page, with only two entries. If you look at it, you'll see why my edit was necessary: the link I repaired was clearly meant for the UK company and not the long-defunct US one. (Not all fixes are so easy.)

You will probably not want to read the relevant guideline, Wikipedia:Disambiguation, and its subsidiary pages. The lead (above the Table of Contents) gives the general idea, though.

A bot (User:DPL bot) sweeps all articles in English Wikipedia twice a day, and compiles reports of articles which link to DAB pages. WikiGnomes such as myself work on them, to try to keep the numbers down: new links to DAB pages arrive at around 500-800 a day.

Happy editing! Narky Blert (talk) 14:08, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: Thanks a lot! Anameisbutaname^Talk 15:43, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Incoming links

I have produced a list of some examples of articles that had incorrect incoming links at User:Crouch, Swale/NC v PT#Examples of incoming links notice that in the case of Danbury 11 out of 50 links were incorrect. Would you have supported the Danbury RM? Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

A stalker writes: the top ten place-related link errors which I fixed recently were:

• Republic of China: 970 for Republic of China (1912–1949)
• Calvados: 400 for Calvados (department)
• Punjab: 351 for a mix of Punjab, India; Punjab, Pakistan; and Punjab Province (British India)
• Cambridge: 273 for Cambridge, Massachusetts
• Commonwealth: 208 for Commonwealth of Nations
• Kansas City: 178 for Kansas City, Missouri
• Acre: 140 for a mix of Acre (state) in Brazil and Acre, Israel
• Perth: 133 for Perth, Scotland
• Birmingham: 115 for Birmingham, Alabama
• Boulder: 107 for Boulder, Colorado

After that come several places where those unimaginative colonials have appropriated British names: Norfolk, Canterbury, Worcester, Wellington, Boston, etc. I'm sure other editors have fixed plenty of anatopisms not on this list. Hope that helps, Certes (talk) 20:50, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I'd note that Cambridge has 9903 links meaning that less than 1 in 36 were incorrect and although as you noted at WT:D there were probably some you missed its still relatively low compared to Danbury. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:17, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Crouch, Swale and Certes: 1 in 36 (almost 3%) is a pretty bad error rate, even if 'better' than Danbury.

I don't remember seeing the Danbury RM. If I had, I'd probably have !voted support. (User:DPL bot reports RMs involving DAB pages in Disambiguation pages with links; it takes me 4-5 weeks to cycle through that report, so I don't see them all.) There is often too much emphasis in WP:PTOPIC discussions about saving the majority of readers one click, and not enough on the damage caused by editors creating bad links.

I am a very junior veteran of the New York Wars, during which I chipped in to remark that those editors who argued that the primary meaning of 'New York' was the state not the city were undoubtedly American not British. During those wars, BD2412 fixed something like 65,000 links (sic).

To the PTOPICs mentioned by Certes, I will add the following, which we found during our User talk:Narky Blert/2019#Taxa linked to surnames project: Amman, Baker, Chiron, Exline, Hedge, Jordan, Miller, Perry, Rose, Spruce and van Dyck. There is another list at User:Certes/misdirected links#Examples, and a different brief discussion at User talk:Certes#Misdirected links.

I will also add User talk:Andrewa#Primary Topic (again), for Word; andrewa is another editor interested in this subject area. Narky Blert (talk) 19:31, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Indeed as someone in England I'd say the city was the clear primary topic and indeed its likely that only Americans would argue that the state is primary, I remember seeing somewhere that in a random sample of links many were for the city. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:23, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Crouch, Swale: IMO the New York Wars ended in the correct consensus – different primary meanings in at least UK and US, and possibly within US, so no PTOPIC. The vast majority of links to New York, whether city or state, are WP:OVERLINKs anyway. Who is ever going to click on them to learn something? Some editors seem to think that the more bluelinks their article contains, the better it is. I disagree. Narky Blert (talk) 20:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes I often unlike overlinked words such as England, island and village for example that while have clear primary topics, they aren't useful to the average user. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:36, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I've just been through the mainspace links to "Danbury" and there were 2 for Essex but only 1 for Connecticut. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:57, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Very interesting comment above different primary meanings... so no PTOPIC. It seems to me that if we adopt that, we may as well abolish P T completely... there won't be many left in any case. Discuss either here or at User talk:Andrewa/Primary Topic RfC#Was the NYRM no P T decision correct where I reply in more detail. Andrewa (talk) 21:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation RM discussion

Since you participated in this discussion about disambiguation pages just shy of two months ago, would you be willing to voice your thoughts on this move discussion that deals with the same issue? I believe you would have something to say about it. Eventhorizon51 ^(talk) 19:47, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

SVU Season 14 Episode Traumatic Wound

1. Your name Was in Revision History, so Have You seen this Episode? Yes or No?

2. did [Alex, Jake, Britt, Louis, Ralph] know 100% that [Gabby was Going to Get raped]?(2601:243:400:B5E0:351A:13F4:4B6C:CBEF (talk) 21:38, 9 October 2019 (UTC)).

No, I have not seen that or any other episode. Best, Narky Blert (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Giant tortoise (disambiguation)

Could you comment on Talk:Giant_tortoise_(disambiguation) about what type of page you think this is, a dab or list?. Don't depend on the pagename as the name itself is contended. Regards, Sun Creator^(talk) 13:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 13:50, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

GA reassessment

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Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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@Pkbwcgs: Gud catch, the cleanup after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DXBM-TV (Davao) hadn't been complete. Narky Blert (talk) 17:06, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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@Pkbwcgs: Nolo contendere, no longer a DAB page. This should have gone when flavored tobacco was turned into a WP:BCA. Narky Blert (talk) 20:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

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Chemical formula links

Following on from here, but off the topics of edit filters and Tokusatsu: these articles have adjacent wikilinks to chemical elements. Once we're done with oxygen there are plenty of other elements and ions such as oxide to check, and that search overlooks elements separated by a number such as H₂O. If these need correcting then I can probably do so in a semi-automated way once I know a good replacement pattern. However, the last example in the documentation to {{Chem}} has explicit wikilinks to elements, so they may not actually be wrong. What do you think we should do with these? We should probably check with WT:WikiProject Chemistry before doing any bulk edits but they can probably give a more helpful response if we give them a specific proposal. Certes (talk) 01:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: Always MOS:OVERLINKing. No reader coming across a mention of dihydrogen monoxide (H
₂O) (dangerous substance, responsible for several hundred thousand deaths every year; always contains trace amounts of hydronium hydroxide) is going to gain any benefit from links to articles about the two highly-reactive chemical elements which caused the Hindenburg disaster.

Sometimes WP:SEAOFBLUE, e.g. NaCl (one part of a substance which reacts violently with the aforesaid hydrogen hydroxide, one part of another which was used as a poison gas in WWI; spontaneously ignite if mixed, don't try this at home).

IMO that last example in {{chem}}, and the whole of {{chemical formula}}, is thoroughly misguided; although I suppose they might just find use in specifying the composition of an alloy, amalgam, or other mixture in which the elements retain their identities (air is N
_0.781O
_0.210Ar
_0.009 + traces), or in expressing the results of a CHN analysis.

Diatribe over. I think we can ignore the broader class of {{chem}} links: I find them unstylish, but they aren't major mistakes. Don't stir up a hornets' nest in a china shop with a sleeping dog. A WikiProject Chemistry discussion could easily turn into a Big-Endian/Little-Endian dispute with a large expenditure of effort and no consensus.

However, the results in the ]][[ search which you linked above are turning up as false positives in the broader Tokusatsu hunt, and can safely be fixed without unlinking anything (or, I would hope, upsetting anyone). Some (mis)use an undocumented feature of the {{chem}} template by omitting a pipe; others don't use the template at all (and I think they should; WP:NOTBROKEN doesn't apply, because they're creating an effect which has been identified as impeding a troll-hunt). There are fewer than 500, which is well within hand-fixing territory. I think that's the way to go: it should be quicker and safer than writing and proving a one-off bot: there could well be exceptional cases easier to solve with wetware than software. I propose to get started on it. Narky Blert (talk) 08:47, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice (though your mixed metaphor was a spanner in the ointment). The bulk of the cases should match a few simple patterns, so I can handle those semi-automatically if you'd like to do a few examples by hand for me to copy. It sounds as if we need not bother the wikiproject. Certes (talk) 10:55, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

You are making a poor rendering result by mixing styles. {{chem}} uses something like {{su}}, which isn't the same sort of subscripts as <sub>. Consider this my editorial objection to a change to poorer display with no stated actual improvement (vs apparent personal preference). And a WP:TROUT for re-doing it with still no voiced explanation even after I undid your edit at fluorescent lamp with a clearly stated WP:ES about it. DMacks (talk) 13:08, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@DMacks: I hadn't seen your ES when I re-edited fluorescent lamp; I was sampling a large list to see what needed doing. When I re-edited boric acid, I did see your ES and used my Plan B.

This is not a matter of personal preference, or some sort of Wikipedia:Comprised of exercise. It follows from discussions at WP:ANI and most recently at Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested/Archive_14#Excessive and irrelevant linking, even down to syllables of words. The problem is a prolific IP-hopping vandal who has been difficult to spot except by accident. There are examples of its "work" in that discussion. The best way of detecting it thought of so far is to search for ]][[, which should be an uncommon combination. False positives are a problem, and there are several hundred of them in chemistry articles.

If chem and sub format differently, I agree they should not be mixed: a "solution" which causes another problem is not a solution. I also agree that formatting should not be changed without good reason; not least, because life is too short. An answer would be to tailor edits to existing formats: using either {{chem}} or a <!-- ... --> note as appropriate. Narky Blert (talk) 14:55, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

A couple of questions about a simple example might help. Baryte is a mineral consisting of barium sulfate (BaSO₄), written as [[barium|Ba]][[sulfur|S]][[oxygen|O]]<sub>4</sub>. Is this style of wikitext encouraged, deprecated or of disputed merit? If deprecated, what should replace it? Certes (talk) 15:23, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Although our vandal and good-faith chemistry editors both add wikitext like ]][[Article title|x, x represents lower case text for the vandal (the m in [[Apple|Exa]][[Banana|mple]]) but an upper case letter for chemistry (the last C in [[Sodium|Na]]|[[Chlorine|Cl]]). We can distinguish them, though it complicates the filter. We should only edit the chemistry articles to improve them, not merely to mark them as not vandalism. Certes (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Another, related, search might be for ]][[x]], where x is any character. I haven't seen the Tokusatsu vandal doing that, but have occasionally seen edits where a vandal has linked every letter in a [[w]][[o]][[r]][[d]]. Narky Blert (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I found and fixed just one15 errors of that type. A second case is probably wrong but my Tsou is a little rusty (search for CCVV). I suspect that some kind gnome has checked this recently, or there may be an edit filter. Certes (talk) 16:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I WP:BOLDly decided that that was a duplicate link: the second C matches the first, and the same is surely true of the pair of V's. The second V had been linked since 2008, when the article was greatly expanded by a registered editor. I also concluded that a trocha was a deformed foot, and fixed that redlink. Narky Blert (talk) 16:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hidayat Ali Khan (disambiguation)

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@Spike 'em: Kill it with fire, target no longer exists. Narky Blert (talk) 11:29, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

WP:INTDAB

Thanks for correcting my edit here. I found many other articles that don't seem to follow the WP:INTDAB guideline. Jarble (talk) 15:30, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

@Jarble: You're welcome!

Direct links to DAB pages are picked up in a User:DPL bot report (this one), and get at least looked at within 5-6 weeks. Around 2-5% of them are 'technical' errors of one sort or another, and merely routine to fix. Your search has picked up another pile which aren't technically errors, but are IMO unhelpful: when the {{other uses}} link is to a WP:PTOPIC rather than a DAB page. See e.g. this diff. I'll bookmark your search result and work through it; thanks (for nothing! but it does need doing). Narky Blert (talk) 15:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks regarding Garrett Coffey article

Hi, just wanted to say thanks for editing/fixing an error with the article I just created, Garrett Coffey. Sadly, the article has been nominated for deletion, so I'm not sure if it will be around for much longer, but thanks all the same! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dflaw4 (talk • contribs) 07:48, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

@Dflaw4: You win some, you lose some / been there, done that. If you think a topic is worth an article, give it your best shot. If you find yourself at WP:AFD, either point there to a WP:RS citation in the article already, or (even better) find another one and point to that. Editing during AFD to try to rescue an article is encouraged. Narky Blert (talk) 20:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. I will take it on board! Merry ChristmasDflaw4 (talk) 12:32, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	💯💯💯💯 LonerXL (talk) 03:42, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

@LonerXL: Thankyou!

A colleague and I worked in early 2019 on a project which resulted in our fixing around 1500 difficult-to-find bad links; it needed both our skillsets, and neither of us could have done it alone; that is one of the WP contributions with which I feel most pleased.

Best for 2020, Narky Blert (talk) 06:16, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

That is serious dedication... Respect to both you and your colleague (LonerXL (talk) 06:49, 28 December 2019 (UTC))

@LonerXL: My colleague on that project was User:Certes. Narky Blert (talk) 06:51, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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