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The Signpost: 30 September 2015

Thanks For the Info and Sorry About the Mistakes

Hello K6ka,

I just wanted to thank you for the helpful information and apologize for the post removal/forgetting to sign my messages/not including reasoning for post edits. I actually edited the post/messages multiple times just for the sake of signing it and I didn't even notice the reasoning section at the time. And the post removal was due to someone else accessing my account, they messed up a few other things too. Anyway, they will not be issues in the future and thanks again for the info. - Fwitasfm (talk) 04:35, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 41, 2015)

Hello, K6ka.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Musical composition

Please be bold and help to improve this article!

Previous selections: Personal finance • Scottish mythology

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Using the vandal template

I'm trying to get attention for some of Czar's edits. As they constitute vandalism, I'm sure that seeing an IP edit to you means "yeah, nothing to see here, just warn and move on" but please do read on.

The page Dawn(demo) (Not sure how to link to old versions using [[]] syntax) was without a doubt vandalised, as was the other Nvidia tech demo of the time, they were left with redirects that'd make no sense to people coming from the pages that link there. Like me! I thought I had the wrong tab.

See also Orb3D which I admit isn't a great page, but is a page worth having (see the pages that link there also)

I'm also not sure how to reply to things (evidently) so a quick guide to that would be nice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.204.46 (talk) 17:00, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Refer to WP:Vandalism to see what we call "vandalism" on Wikipedia. Vandalism is all too common a term used by editors when they're unhappy with another editor, but this is an incorrect usage of the term. Also, using the {{Vandal}} template on someone's userpage does absolutely nothing to resolve the issue. Please see WP:Dispute resolution for how we resolve editing disputes. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 17:18, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can I get notifications when you reply? Also the user has done a lot of questionable edits (look at their contributions) with I'm sure a lot of good. If a vandal is vandalising the page what use it is on the page? As for the semantics of the term, even if his intent was good leaving a redirect to the manufacturer or creator of an otherwise erased page is not good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.204.46 (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@90.196.204.46: We use the term "vandalism" for someone who is acting in bad faith. We do not use the term "vandalism" for someone who is acting in good faith (see the difference?). In general we assume that people are editing Wikipedia for the purpose of building and improving the project, not harming it. Especially considering that the user in question is an administrator, it would be highly unlikely that they would act in bad faith and intend to harm the project. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 18:18, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2015-41

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The link editor in the visual editor now shows results below the search box. This improves the usability on desktop and mobile. [1]
  • The description at Special:ChangeEmail now clearly explains that the page can also be used to remove your email. [2]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from October 6. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from October 7. It will be on all Wikipedias from October 8 (calendar).
  • UploadWizard will remind users to add a category. [3]
  • UploadWizard's category selectors will be easier to use. [4]
  • A new Cite error will be shown if a named reference is defined more than once in the same article. [5]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

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18:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Adminship

Hi. If you're so sure that you can provide us with some urgently needed help as an admin and are sufficiently qualified, if you read this and then read this and can more or less check all the boxes, you are almost guaranteed a clean run through RfA and a pass with flying colours, and I'll nominate you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Kudpung: Thanks. I've read the former several times already, and while I can say I have a number of boxes checked, there are lots of rough edges, most notably my lack of AfD participation and my so-and-so NPP. I personally want to improve in this area (at the very least) before considering an RFA, even if my activity with the mop in this field is minimal. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 20:35, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vetbook

Dear K6ka; Kindly you had deleted my article of "Vetbook" which is a non profit organization (www.vetbook.net); The organization is legally operates in Egypt and I have all documents that proves that and states that I am the founder and CEO of such organization and the owner of domain (www.vetbook.net).

Please help; since I had went through too much text on Wikipedia to resolve it however I failed to do.

my Username on Wikipedia is: "Eslamvet" and article name is "Vetbook".

Please help.


Eslamvet (talk) 00:02, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Eslamvet: Some clarification:
  1. I did not delete your article, as I am not an administrator. I tagged your article for deletion, but did not actually delete it.
  2. The reason why your article was deleted has nothing to do with what you just told me, as it was deleted for being a blatant copyright violation. Since Wikipedia operates under free licenses, we can't just accept copyrighted work. Everything on Wikipedia needs to be written in your own words. Students are taught about this as well, and simply copy and pasting from a source onto Wikipedia is considered plagiarism. For students, it's an automatic fail; for Wikipedia, it could mean legal trouble.
  3. Again, as I am not an administrator, I can't assist you with undeletion. However, you may file a request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion to have the article undeleted; however, as the article contains copyrighted content, it may not be undeleted anyway.

--I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 00:54, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dear; As far as you are not administrator; I will check for that with whom in-charge. However that I would pay your attention that article is simply a description for a non -profit organization which has the same website that information is there. So I am not happy with describing it as copyright violation (And students are taught that....etc.); since I am the founder of such organization and I am the owner of such website. Anyway, Thanks for your prompt response.

Regards... Eslam

Eslamvet (talk) 12:14, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Eslamvet: Again, if the content was copied and pasted from elsewhere, Wikipedia simply cannot accept it. Text added to Wikipedia must be under the CC-BY-SA license and the GFDL. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Because Wikipedia aims to be a 1) Freely accessible and freely reusable source of information, and 2) Freely editable by anyone, it can't accept copyrighted text. Please keep in mind that it doesn't matter what the text is about (This is a very common argument put forth by website owners who have their articles about their own website deleted), but where it came from and the license it was under. Even if the text you added was freely reusable and is compatible with Wikipedia's licenses, please also keep in mind that our articles must be written in an encyclopedic tone and not appear to be promotional, and that they must be written in a neutral point of view (e.g. "Example Inc. is the prime choice for Americans looking for fresh groceries in the Example City area" versus "Example Inc. is an American grocery store chain that primarily serves the Example City area". The former would not be accepted on Wikipedia because it is too promotional. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and is not a means of promotion.) --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 12:58, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

VisualEditor update

This note is only delivered to English Wikipedia subscribers of the visual editor's newsletter.

The location of the visual editor's preference has been changed from the "Beta" tab to the "Editing" section of your preferences on this wiki. The setting now says Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta. This aligns en.wiki with almost all the other WMF wikis; it doesn’t mean the visual editor is complete, or that it is no longer “in beta phase” though.

This action has not changed anything else for editors: it still honours editors’ previous choices about having it on or off; logged-out users continue to only have access to wikitext; the “Edit” tab is still after the “Edit source” one. You can learn more at the visual editor’s talk page.

We don’t expect this to cause any glitches, but in case your account no longer has the settings that you want, please accept our apologies and correct it in the Editing tab of Special:Preferences. Thank you for your attention, Elitre (WMF) -16:32, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion

Hi, K6ka,
CSD G7 only applies to pages that you yourself have created. Top Ten Channels of India might warrant deletion under a different criteria. Liz Read! Talk! 16:50, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: That doesn't appear to be what WP:G7 says, which reads If the sole author blanks a page other than a userspace page, a category page, or any type of talk page, this can be taken as a deletion request. Administrators in the past have accepted G7 added by another user to a page where the author blanked the page. It is taken as a deletion request — nowhere does it say that the person applying the CSD tag must've been the one who created the page. (With the exception of pages in the user namespace) --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 17:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I understood CSD G7, Author requests deletion, or author blanked meaning the author of the article took the action. But you are correct, the author did blank the page so your tagging was valid. As a form of explanation, right before this page, I had just refused a G7 for a user page where a different editor had requested its deletion so that was what was in my mind. I apologize for the confusion. Liz Read! Talk! 17:22, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Andi Sex Gang

Hello, my editing to the Andi Sex Gang (incorrectly titled Andi Sexgang) has been undone due to my not having credentials for the editing? Well check my Facebook page Lara Gaudio and you will see many pictures of me with the person who wants his name spelled correctly as Andi Sex Gang not Andi Sexgang. And everything I wrote on the page today was what he wanted me to write, and what ridiculous reason would you have for removing my updating his most current album name? The page needs numerous updates, corrections and changes but the worst mistake is the name as Sexgang instead of Sex Gang. Check his website andisexgang.com or his FB, Twitter or even ask Andi himself and he will verify all I am saying here. signed by the username you didn't like either, larasexgang since we cannot remember the email that goes with the username officialsexgang. See? You thought I was a person that just appeared to mess up someLarasexgang (talk) 06:29, 10 October 2015 (UTC)body's page or something.[reply]

@Larasexgang: Judging by the way you wrote to me, it would seem you haven't read the message I gave you. I reverted your edit because it did not provide a reliable source. Wikipedia needs everything to be properly supported with a citation, and it can't accept original research. This goes especially true for articles about people who are alive or have recently died. What do you mean "not having credentials for the editing"? I don't have any credentials either. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 13:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 07 October 2015

This week's article for improvement (week 42, 2015)

Costumed performers from the 2006 Bristol Renaissance Faire
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The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Costume

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Previous selections: Musical composition • Personal finance

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Tech News: 2015-42

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The database size lists have been updated. These control special page update frequency and which wikis use global abuse filters. [6]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from October 13. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from October 14. It will be on all Wikipedias from October 15 (calendar).
  • You will be able to upload images to Wikimedia Commons using the visual editor. When the image is uploaded it will be added to the article you're editing. [7]
  • Pages that show citation error messages will automatically be placed in a hidden category. [8]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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16:29, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q3 2015

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter
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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:55, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Username change

That's not a problem and I appreciate you being open-minded. I think the stigma toward cannabis is definitely going away over time, albeit slowly. Thanks AustinCannabisCup2019 (talk) 07:13, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 14 October 2015

This week's article for improvement (week 43, 2015)

Ice hockey is an example of a team sport. Pictured is an 1893 ice hockey match at Victoria Rink, Montreal.
Hello, K6ka.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Team sport

Please be bold and help to improve this article!

Previous selections: Costume • Musical composition

Get involved with the TAFI project. You can: Nominate an article • Review nominations

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Tech News: 2015-43

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Tech News is trying to make reading the newsletter easier. The Recurrent item icon means the item is in the newsletter every week, but with new dates. The For technical readers icon means the item is mainly relevant for readers with technical knowledge. You can leave feedback on this change.
  • Timestamps in the protection log will now be in the user's timezone. Previously they would show Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). [9]

Problems

  • A problem with MediaWiki made some pages show no content on October 14. This has now been fixed. [10]
  • Some templates were misplaced in the Flow description bar. This could make it impossible to click on links. This will be fixed this week. [11]
  • The deployment of the new MediaWiki version was stopped on October 14. No new code was deployed for the rest of week. This meant planned changes did not happen. [12]

Changes this week

  • Changes that were planned to happen last week will happen this week. [13]
  • Wikispecies, Meta and MediaWiki.org will be able to use Wikidata for sitelinks. [14][15][16][17]

Meetings

  • Recurrent item You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 20 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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16:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Public Computer

This is a computer owned by a public school, so it would be extremely helpful if you would simply revoke all editing privileges this IP has.

165.24.249.26 (talk) 20:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I'm not an administrator so I can't revoke editing access from anybody. Also, please note that editing access for IP addresses are only removed temporarily, even and especially for shared ones, since they can affect many users. See Wikipedia:IPs are human too. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 20:13, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aviana

Hi, i'm administrator in Wikipedia France. This article is a humb who is delate in french version, that's why. Sorry for my english. Sincerraly. Enrevseluj (talk) 16:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Enrevseluj: French Wikipedia issues do not necessarily apply to the English Wikipedia. An article deleted on another language Wikipedia does not mean it must be deleted on all Wikipedias. It is up to the individual language Wikipedias to decide what to do with the article. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 16:51, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
but, it's not really an article, it's a joke... Sincerraly. --Arroser (talk) 17:02, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@K6ka:, i know... but it's a hoax...Enrevseluj (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Then the article should be nominated for deletion according to our deletion policy, not simply blanked. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 17:07, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AN/I involving Uncyclopedia

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. I've taken Shalir Salim to AN\I, and I used one of your reverts as evidence. If you have 2 cents to put in, be my guest.--DSA510 Pls No Bully 19:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 21 October 2015

This week's article for improvement (week 44, 2015)

Models promoting Zombieland at San Diego Comic-con. A zombie comedy is a horror comedy subgenre that involves zombies.
Hello, K6ka.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Comedy horror

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Previous selections: Team sport • Costume

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October 2015 GOCE newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors October 2015 Newsletter

September drive: Thanks to everyone who participated in last month's backlog-reduction drive. Of the 25 editors who signed up, 18 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

October blitz: The one-week October blitz, targeting requests, has just concluded. Of the nine editors who signed up, seven copyedited at least one request; check your talk page for your barnstar!

The month-long November drive, focusing on our oldest backlog articles (June, July, and August 2014) and the October requests, is just around the corner. Hope to see you there!

Thanks again for your support; together, we can improve the encyclopedia! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, KieranTribe, Miniapolis and Pax85.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:55, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2015-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from October 27. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from October 28. It will be on all Wikipedias from October 29 (calendar).
  • The first time you use the visual editor, pop-ups will explain why and when you should use the citation and link tools. [18]
  • You will be able to upload images to Wikimedia Commons from inside the wikitext editor by clicking "Upload" in the "Insert file" dialog. You will also be able to drag and drop them into an article when using the visual editor. [19][20]
  • When you edit a code block in visual editor, you will have the syntax highlighted. [21][22]
  • Index and Page namespaces on Wikisource will be defined as content namespaces in $wgContentNamespaces. [23]

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18:04, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Lego Dimensions: Cast

if you need any corrections or anymore cast members, go to IMDB. Batman3095 (talk) 13:22, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Batman3095: IMDB isn't considered a reliable source, so it can't be used on Wikipedia. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 16:34, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Monica Jones

You removed my edits for the so called 'activist' Monica Jones, but she is a well known racist. Look at her Twitter account if you don't believe me. @tslove602 71.55.65.74 (talk) 16:51, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Face to Face (band)

Thanks for the help on the edit. I accidentally copy and pasted the wrong info. I have corrected the edit and cited my edit.

Thx, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtcohenour (talk • contribs) 17:02, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

VIPoma

Well,I'd like to know if the name of man who studied this syndrome Kener Morrison or Verner Morrison, because Every articles I've read was by Kerner? Please tell me. Thanks for your time. Doc Shalaby (talk) 16:53, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Doc Shalaby: The footnote after the "Verner Morrison syndrome" cited this page as a source, where it credits a John V. Verner and Ashton B. Morrison. So "Verner Morrison" would be correct. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 17:07, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Change of username.

I am sure this (MB298) is the username I will stick with. DanielYan (talk) 01:59, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

VisualEditor News #5—2015

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Screenshot showing the menu for switching from the wikitext editor to VisualEditor

Click the pencil icon to open the editor for a page. Inside that, use the gear menu in the upper right corner to "Switch to visual editing".

The editing button will remember which editing environment you used last time, and give you the same one next time. The desktop site will be switching to a system similar to this one in the coming months.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs, added new features, and made some small design changes. They post weekly status reports on mediawiki.org. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for languages like Japanese and Arabic, making it easier to edit on mobile devices, and providing rich-media tools for formulæ, charts, galleries and uploading.

Recent improvements

Educational features: The first time you use the visual editor, it now draws your attention to the Link and ⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽ tools. When you click on the tools, it explains why you should use them. (T108620) Alongside this, the welcome message for new users has been simplified to make editing more welcoming. (T112354) More in-software educational features are planned.

Links: It is now easier to understand when you are adding text to a link and when you are typing plain text next to it. (T74108, T91285) The editor now fully supports ISBN, PMID or RFC numbers. (T109498, T110347, T63558) These "magic links" use a custom link editing tool.

Uploads: Registered editors can now upload images and other media to Commons while editing. Click the new tab in the "Insert Images and media" tool. You will be guided through the process without having to leave your edit. At the end, the image will be inserted. This tool is limited to one file at a time, owned by the user, and licensed under Commons's standard license. For more complex situations, the tool links to more advanced upload tools. You can also drag the image into the editor. This will be available in the wikitext editor later.

Mobile: Previously, the visual editor was available on the mobile Wikipedia site only on tablets. Now, editors can use the visual editor on any size of device. (T85630) Edit conflicts were previously broken on the mobile website. Edit conflicts can now be resolved in both wikitext and visual editors. (T111894) Sometimes templates and similar items could not be deleted on the mobile website. Selecting them caused the on-screen keyboard to hide with some browsers. Now there is a new "Delete" button, so that these things can be removed if the keyboard hides. (T62110) You can also edit table cells in mobile now.

Rich editing tools: You can now add and edit sheet music in the visual editor. (T112925) There are separate tabs for advanced options, such as MIDI and Ogg audio files. (T114227 and T113354) When editing formulæ and other blocks, errors are shown as you edit. It is also possible to edit some types of graphs; adding new ones, and support for new types, will be coming.

On the English Wikipedia, the visual editor is now automatically available to anyone who creates an account. The preference switch was moved to the normal location, under Special:Preferences.

Future changes

You will soon be able to switch from the wikitext to the visual editor after you start editing. (T49779) Previously, you could only switch from the visual editor to the wikitext editor. Bi-directional switching will make possible a single edit tab. (T102398) This project will combine the "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs into a single "Edit" tab, similar to the system already used on the mobile website. The "Edit" tab will open whichever editing environment you used last time.

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— Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shared IP address

I'm sorry, I have never been to this website. Wrong person maybe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.245.1.3 (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your IP address is shared by multiple users, see the top of your talk page. As a result, you may receive messages not intended for you. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 21:00, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My edits to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield,_Ohio

Would you please review my changes to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield,_Ohio ? Your feedback will help me become a better Wikipedian. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogscatsbirds (talk • contribs) 21:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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