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Question from DominciDiCelano (07:07, 11 September 2023)

Hello and thank you for helping. I have never edited anything and found zero info regarding a yearbook for a college in Utah and the yearbook is fascinating so I thought I'd add to your article on st Mary of the Wasatch college. But I didn't know about adding a reliable source so it was immediately removed. I spent some time adding the unfo and really don't want to do it again. Also my info came from a copy of the yearbook I wrote about and I cannot confirm the info any other way. Anyone could make this claim so I imagine I can't be considered a in "reliable source". If I was, my info wouldn't have been deleted in the 1st place But I understand completely. The site would be a mess and a joke if you allowed anyone to write anything Anyway, now that I've killed even more time I'll just thank you for the learning experience and won't waste time trying to edit Wikipedia or anything else for that matter. It's a shame because this yearbook is pretty amazing. If I'm wrong and you'd like the info submitted, please tell me how to do so and provide me with what to I wrote so I don't have to do it again. If you need pics of the yearbook showing the info I spoke of I can do that. I think it'd be good to have this documented. --DominciDiCelano (talk) 07:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

DominciDiCelano Hello right back at ya'! Welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you will not allow this unfortunate experience to prevent you from coming back. Wikipedia is a great place, but it is important to play by the rules while here! Let me explain.
The yearbook is the thing you want to write about, and that makes the yearbook the primary source on the yearbook, and WP editors do not use primary sources. That is largely because doing so would leave us each interpreting that primary source for ourselves, and that's what's called original work (OR) and that's not allowed on WP either. WP is not the place to vent your personal views or opinions. There are places for that. That place is not WP. I suggest a blog.
WP editors basically write research papers. You would need to find someone who - say, wrote a book on how to put together a quality yearbook - and yours was an example used in that source. That's a published secondary source. You would cite that book and the page numbers where your yearbook was mentioned, and you would summarize what they said about your book. You would need as many of those kinds of references that you could find: a biography of someone who worked on your yearbook, a compilation of yearbook writing stories, a textbook for journalists - anyone who mentions your book in any way. You would go to Google or Google Scholar and try every entry you can think of that might say anything about your yearbook.
If there is a conflicting opinion - someone who wrote that your yearbook is not really a good example because it does such and so - you should also include that dissenting view - and cite it and its page number and a summary of what is said.
Editing on WP is all about the research. We only use secondary sources. All OR will be deleted.
We write as objectively and as neutrally as possible. You have a personal opinion on the quality of this yearbook. In order to write about it on WP, you would have to set that aside and report only what the secondary sources say on it, whether you agreed or not. It isn't always easy to do, but if you don't, someone will call you on it and delete what you wrote as biased and non-neutral.
Those are the rules. There are administrators who deal with these things. Non-compliance can result in being banned from writing on WP at all. They have the ability to block your IP. I do not suggest putting your article back unless you do the research and find quality secondary sources first. But I do hope you will take the time to learn the "how-tos" of WP, will find areas of interest that you can research and learn about, and that you will come back and enjoy being here as much as I do. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. I'm confused regarding providing a source but I think what you're saying is that my content needs to have been published somewhere in order to submit. But again, my info came from the fact that I own 2 years of the yearbook and thought your article would be improved if readers knew about the yearbooks existence. But I understand you can't publish something in this case.
Also I gave my opinion on the book which is understandably not allowed but the former reason is paramount and removing this wouldn't matter.
In any case this won't prevent me from coming back but it did prevent me from editing anything which isn't a loss for either wikipedia or myself. I wasted a lot of time trying to help but at least I now know not to do in the future, knowledge not exactly worth the time spent but life doesn't always work that way.
The Berry Basket yearbooks are fascinating and I hope they will be represented on your site someday.
Thanks again,
Dominic Perrotta
P.S. Since I won't be editing or doing anything else here that requires an account or me signing in I decided to delete my account but I spent a lot of time searching for info on this and finally found something that stated that accounts cannot be deleted. Is this really true? It seems absurd to me. While extremely unlikely and/or problem causing somebody could hack into a Wikipedia user account and the user would never know.
And vanishing is for published content I believe and doesn't delete the account. Am in missing something ornis my account truly unable to be deleted? DominciDiCelano (talk) 00:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. I've been out of town and disconnected. If you deleted your account there would be no way to explain this discussion here on my talk-page. If you posted anything anywhere while you had an account, that account must remain for WP to be able to keep track of who wrote what when - a necessity in dealing with an army of volunteers. I suggest posting Retired, contained by two curly brackets {{ on both sides, at the top of your user page and just deleting everything else. No one can steal your page/name as their IP will not match yours.
I'm sorry you've been so disappointed. Yes, everything referenced must be from published material - and not even all of that is usable. Surely you can understand the why's behind that. It is at least partly why WP is still alive and well, when all but one other online encyclopedia started at the same time have died.
I did a search for Berry Basket yearbooks and got a hodgepodge of stuff. I got Berry Alabama and Texas State and more, but it does show there might be some stuff out there. One was just a listing, but it's a published listing! I have no way of knowing if any of it is applicable.
Don't worry about wasting time, it's par for the course here. I often spend hours researching only to decide it's inapplicable. I started to create a page on a living person and got halfway through before realizing there just wasn't enough material to finish. If stuff like that discourages you, this is not the hobby for you. Hope you find something that is. Take care.Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Harmonicasound (04:34, 15 October 2023)

How can I find articles that need improvement or expansion? --Harmonicasound (talk) 04:34, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Harmonicasound, check Wikipedia:Community portal/Open tasks and Wikipedia:Task Center.
Jenhawk, hope all is well with you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello dearheart, I have been out of town and disconnected. Working hard doing stuff for family for long hours. Thank you for this. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from D192 (21:40, 14 October 2023)

how to put the main title so poeple can search --D192 (talk) 21:40, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

The main title is automatically attached to an article when it is published. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:06, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Dre5860 (00:27, 10 October 2023)

Hello , i've added a battle to the "Belgian Revolution" article. However its still in the "draft" phase. is there a way you could review and maybe improve the battle ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Battle_of_Brussels_(1830) --Dre5860 (talk) 00:27, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

If this is intended to be a separate article, then using a draft is appropriate, but if what you want to do is add this to the larger article on the Belgian Revolution then you have gone about it in the wrong way. Go to the original article and click on edit source and make the additions you want to make there, then publish.
But the real problem here is that this has no references. Without proper referencing, someone will eventually come along and delete your additions. It's Wikipedia policy. Don't waste your time trying to publish anything without solid references. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Dre5860 (21:40, 19 October 2023)

Hi! so i made a battle about the Belgian Revolution however, it was removed because its still a draft. How do i publish it fully , ive reviewed all the guidelines. --Dre5860 (talk) 21:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Dre5860 I believe I already answered this above. Unless you have made some substantive changes, Your edits will not be accepted. It is not referenced properly. Read and follow this: Wikipedia:Citing sources Nothing can be published on WP without quality references, and if it does somehow slip past, someone will come along at some point and delete it. There are people here who do nothing but deletions. Don't waste your time. Either follow WP guidelines or look elsewhere for a hobby. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red - November 2023

Women in Red November 2023, Vol 9, Iss 11, Nos 251, 252, 287, 288, 289


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Question from Yougotflame (19:15, 26 October 2023) (2)

Can you help me?I want to open my own page --Yougotflame (talk) 19:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by your own page? You have a user page. Publish something on it and it will turn your user name black and that will be your own page. But Wikipedia isn't like Facebook. Everything here belongs to Wikipedia. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Danny5784 (21:56, 2 November 2023)

Hey.

I have a question for ya --Danny5784 (talk) 21:56, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Shoot. Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:13, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Yougotflame (19:15, 26 October 2023)

I want to open my own page --Yougotflame (talk) 19:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Post something on your user page. Your name will turn black. That is your page. Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Maybe something you'll find WP-interesting

Antisemitism and the New Testament, there are, for example, a lot of primary sources. In other news, Talk:Mike_Johnson_(Louisiana_politician)#Requested_move_25_October_2023 has a few comments. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Wow! I don't think I have ever read a more biased one-sided article. If I am ever able to finish History of Christianity it looks like it might make a good next project. Thanx! Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Interesting article:[1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I enjoyed that one! Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
I did too. And as a counterpoint, here is another:[2] (alt link at [3]). I enjoyed that one less. Its funny, you and I have been in some fairly lengthy religion-related WP-discussions at times, but as I recall, there's not a lot of left-wing/right-wing accusations in those. Harrison (the Slate-guy) has commented more than once that compared to other online forums, WP-discussions are often remarkably civil. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
I would agree with that. Jenhawk777 (talk) 11:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Atukangka (01:14, 4 November 2023)

how to publish my idea in wikipedia this is my idea

Part 2: NUMERIC MIRACLES


The second part of the book explores the concept of numbers and how they relate to the miracles of the universe and religious understanding. It reflects the merging of scientific, beauty, and religious principles in a mathematical context.

Here are some key concepts explained in the second part of the book:

1. The Role of Numbers in the Universe: This section discusses the role of numbers in describing and understanding various aspects of the universe, including physical laws, natural phenomena, and various other phenomena.

2. Number Miracles: This book reviews how certain numbers or sequences of numbers in the universe can be considered miracles that show signs of God's greatness. Examples such as comparisons of proportions in nature, prime numbers, or mathematical relationships in physics are the focus of discussion.

3. Relationship with Religion: This section explains how certain numbers have meaning and significance in a religious context. For example, some numbers in Islam (such as the numbers 7, 19, or 99) have deep symbolic value.

4. Aesthetics of the Universe: This book illustrates how mathematics and numbers contribute to the aesthetics and harmony of the universe. These can include geometric patterns, symmetry, or Fibonacci sequences often seen in nature.

5. Merging Science and Religion: This section highlights how the understanding of numbers and mathematics can be used to combine science and religion, creating a deeper understanding of the universe and religious beliefs.

This book provides a holistic view of how numbers and mathematics can be seen as windows to understanding the relationship between the universe, science, and religion. This is an interesting approach that combines different aspects in a meaningful framework.

Here are some key concepts explained in the second part of the book:

The Role of Numbers in the Universe: This section discusses the role of n --Atukangka (talk) 01:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

No, no, no! Wikipedia is not the place for this. Original work is not allowed. Wikipedia:No original research Wikipedia only publishes material referenced in secondary sources. We write research papers. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Atukangka (13:29, 3 November 2023)

HELLO --Atukangka (talk) 13:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Welcome to Wikipedia. Jenhawk777 (talk) 14:59, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
my book [draf]
https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pengguna:Atukangka Atukangka (talk) 04:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
-Atukangka You are new here. I know you don't know all the rules. To publish a first article it must be approved by an established editor. This will never be approved. There is not a single secondary reference anywhere. It is all original work, and no original work is allowed on WP. Do you understand what I am saying? I see that English is a second language, but you must read it well enough to be here. Do not try to publish original work on Wikipedia. It will be deleted. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from Mcdiggin2102 (20:50, 16 November 2023)

How can I make my own wikopedia page about myself --Mcdiggin2102 (talk) 20:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

You can't. Wikipedia editors write research papers based on published material. Unless there have been multiple articles and books written about you, you have nothing you can reference but yourself. That's a primary source and original work and neither are allowed on WP. Try a blog. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
New arrival at Teahouse: "Can I have a WP-article about me, please?" Me: "Probably not, but out of curiosity, what do you do?" New arrival: "Oh, I wire mushrooms to synthesizers and make music." Me: "... I can't argue with that logic: Fiat Noa Kalos." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
LMAO!!! What is it with these editors? Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

User page

There is an established consensus at WP:CFR that all Wikiproject "members" categories are being moved to "participants" categories across the board. This is not a thing you're free to have variant personal opinions about: the page must be filed in "participants", cannot be left filed in "members", and nobody needs to ask you for your permission to move it. Bearcat (talk) 18:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

That may all be true, but all you needed to do to demonstrate some small consideration was tell me that up front. Informing someone is not asking permission. It's just being polite. When someone acts without informing others why, that action seems arbitrary, cavalier and even a bit imperious - as if you have rights other's don't. That would be why editing someone else's page - without telling them why beforehand - is not considerate, not good manners, and not copacetic. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:43, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
There were several hundred user pages that had to be moved as part of the changeover — I had to clean up over 500 pages just off today's batch of redlinked categories, and there are probably going to be 500 more to clean up the next time the redlinked category report runs on Sunday morning. I'd like for you to look at Special:WantedCategories, and count up just how many "members" and "participants" categories were listed there today — every time you see two numbers with an arrow between them after the category name, the difference between the two numbers represents a userpage I had to move, and you'll notice that there are a couple where I had to move hundreds of pages. So we don't have the time to give hundreds or thousands of editors personalized notices informing them of what's happening before it happens: if it's already a four-hour job as it is, you don't get to demand that I volunteer to turn it into a 12-hour job by tripling the amount of time I have to put into it. Bearcat (talk) 19:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Sure you do. You have whatever time you choose to take. You're a volunteer. You don't "have to" do anything at all. No one but you is your boss here. There is no penalty if you fail to meet some arbitrary time line of your own invention.
By the way, this is most certainly not all on you. I have now had three different editors show up to do this same move, and the last one included an explanation in his edit summary. That worked just fine. I thanked him.
I have made no demands and set no requirements whatsoever concerning your time and how you choose to use it. I explained why your behavior was a negative example and asked for consideration. By WP standards, this qualifies as a mild form of disruption.
You set your own priorities for your own behaviors and how you spend your own time. You are now taking time to argue while claiming you don't have time for good manners. Surely this discussion is now wasting more time than you possibly have. It certainly is wasting mine. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
There were no "self-imposed" deadlines here. Cleaning up of redlinked categories is a mandatory job that must get done, and it's a job that has a hard 72-hour deadline on it: every time the redlinked category report runs, all of the redlinked categories have to be resolved by the time the report runs again, because if it isn't done within that time limit then the next run 72 hours will be double the size, and take twice as much time to deal with. Sure, it's not a job I necessarily have a responsibility to take on myself — but it is a job that has to get done by somebody, and it's a job that whoever takes it on, regardless of whether that's me or somebody else, always has to get done within 72 hours.
And it's precisely because we're all volunteers that you don't get to make any demands on other editors' time, such as demanding that they voluntarily triple the amount of time they invest in a necessary maintenance task. It's not just because it was my time — you wouldn't have a right to make special demands on anybody else's time either, because nobody else who took the job on would have sent you a special personal permission slip requesting the right to move the category either.
Sure, if somebody's making disruptive edits to your userpage, such as outright vandalism, then you have a right to rip their head off for it — but a basic maintenance edit, such as a user category being moved to a new name by CFR consensus, is not equivalent to vandalism, and is not a thing that any editor who works on maintenance tasks requires your personal permission to do. Bearcat (talk) 19:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
It took you a whole month to come up with a repetition of what you already said, and I already answered? For someone who spends a lot of time complaining about time they don't have, you sure are wasting a lot of it with this nonsense. You have to take the time to write something in the edit summary no matter what you are doing. That would have been entirely sufficient to inform me, which is all I asked, and has also already said, and would have taken no extra time at all. Being considerate of others is never a waste of time under any circumstance. Try it. You might like it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
October songs
my story today

Same topic, different question: for some reason I forgot, I have User:Gerda Arendt/Jen (noticed in this process) which looks like a copy of an older version of your user page (possibly because I feared yours might be deleted), - I don't need it, but you may want to check if there's anything you still want. It could also be moved into your space. - Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, two of my many favorite paintings! And quotes! Thank you Gerda, but I guess I have moved on now. Discussing WP policy on neutrality seems more fitting these days. Your musings and memory corners are always interesting even if I don't always comment. Appreciate you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:52, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Qweening365 (21:06, 26 November 2023)

Hello I have no idea how to work this --Qweening365 (talk) 21:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Welcome Qweening365! ==
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your post, like this:

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The tildes will be automatically converted to a signature that contains your linked username and a timestamp to help keep conversations organized. I will sign mine accordingly with hopes you will remember me and will feel free to ask me any questions you have--or just say hi! Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


Question from Arshad Jkhan on User talk:Arshad Jkhan (07:39, 26 November 2023)


Arshad khan --Arshad Jkhan (talk) 07:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)



Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:



Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your post, like this: Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


November thanks


November songs
my story today


Indirectly biblical is my story today, Canticle I: My beloved is mine and I am his, - the composer, born OTD 110 years ago, didn't want it shorter (but the publisher), more here. I'm back to a good tradition: a Britten composition on his birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)



Hello dear one. It was Thanksgiving this week and I have been covered up with company. God bless them every one for coming to visit, and God bless them for going home! Love that canticle! Love you! Merry Christmas! Coming soon! Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Guest came for our concert today, and loved it, User Talk:Gerda Arendt#Mozart Requiem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Of course! Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


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Diannaa The actual quote is: And, indeed, it is hardly contested that church membership, adherence to traditional Christian doctrines, and participation in church rituals relating to birth,marriage, and death have all declined considerably in those countries (e.g., Norris and Inglehart2004).


The phrase in the middle is common to all studies of decline. These criteria are the criteria that are universally used as a description. This is the list. I have read the same list in many places. You can too. Google the phrase on Google scholar and you will find it in article after article. It is not unique to that text. It was not a full quote. I have been told repeatedly that a quote must be exact in every way even down to the commas, and since my sentence only uses the common phrase in the middle and doesn't quote accurately, I didn't put it in quotes. It was just a nice short summary listing of what can be found everywhere.


This is what I have read here: "Copyright law does not protect names, titles, or short phrases or expressions. Even if a name, title, or short phrase is novel or distinctive or lends itself to a play on words, it cannot be protected by copyright.


— U.S. Copyright Office" 



Since there is no other list, and since it is found in every article on the subject, what would be the correct way to list three things in a manner that would not be a repetition or a close paraphrase of someone somewhere? I clearly need to know a practical re-usable answer. I can attribute and put it in quotes, but must I do so for all common phrases? That would become unwieldy don't you think? I will go reread the guidelines.Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

The overlapping content is as follows: "Church membership, adherence to traditional Christian doctrines, and participation in church rituals relating to birth, marriage, and death have all declined considerably in western countries". That's definitely not a list; it's definitely a violation of our copyright policy. If you would like to get a second opinion, please consider asking someone on this list.  — Diannaa (talk) 23:03, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

It is a list, of course it's a list, it's just not in WP list form. It's too short for that! It's only 3 things. In the article I used, the author references "Norris and Inglehart" (2004), as representative of studies concluding these three things. There are multiple studies. The decline of church membership is in The Decline of Christendom in Western Europe, 1750–2000 on page 18; decline in "adherence to traditional Christian beliefs" - using that exact phrase - is on page 45; decline in "church rituals relating to birth, marriage, and death" is on page 71. In Demography, Culture, and the Decline of America’s Christian Denominations by Hawley, the decline in membership is on 54 separate pages; "adherence to particular religious doctrines" is the phrase used on page 123, and it is also discussed on 3 more pages; the decline in participation in birth ritual is on page 90. Houtman reuses the phrase in The Spiritual Revolution and the New Age Gender Puzzle The Sacralization of the Self in Late Modernity (1980–2000)  The three are in this book: Sacred and Secular: Religion and Politics Worldwide, and this one Rationalizing Religion: Religious Conversion, Revivalism and Competition in Singapore Society and this one American Catholics Today: New Realities of Their Faith and Their Church. It is a list - the only list - of the causes of decline. I need to be able to say that in this article without it being a problem. How?


Okay. I went and asked Dan Cherek. 00:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC) Jenhawk777 (talk) 00:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Since DanCherek has not responded, I will give it a go, using an example. It looks like you are choosing snippets from the sentence I removed and saying that these are common phrases that have been used before, so therefore it's okay to copy. But my point is that when it's all put together, it's a sentence that's identical to content in your source document, and therefore a copyright violation.
Here's my example: common phrases "I lit a fire"; "It's time for bed"; "She told me she worked in the morning"; etc. But no one will claim that therefore it's okay to copy the lyrics of the song Norwegian Wood  — Diannaa (talk) 10:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

You were absolutely right, no argument, that I needed to be more careful in being sure my punctuation using quotation marks is complete. I learned from you to be more careful, and I think I have been. I thanked you for that.




You were absolutely right that I needed to be more careful about attribution in the edit summary when copying from other things I had written for other articles on WP. I learned that from you, and I am working hard to remember to do that. I think I have only forgotten once and then went back later and added it. I was grateful for your teaching here as well.


But I am not sure what the take-away should be from this one. It seems to me that someone could claim not to have copied the lyrics to Norwegian wood when using those phrases, even when using them in the same order, because they are common phrases and the author did not originate them and therefore can't claim a copyright of them. Doesn't that go back to the rule of copyright not applying to phrases like that? Are you saying all I needed to do to avoid this was rearrange the same phrases?


Dan has a post on his user page that it might take him awhile to answer, so I am willing to wait. I need to know what to take away from this, so I don't repeat my error - whatever that might or might not be. I don't like being threatened as if I have been belligerent and uncooperative with you. I want that second opinion. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I am saying that when the phrases are put together in order to create a song lyric, the lyrics are copyright. Same with the text I removed: when the phrases are put together in order and are published in a journal article, the resulting sentence is copyright, even though some of the phrases have been used somewhere else before.
Rearranging the phrases is not enough to avoid a copyright problem. Content has to be written in your own words and not include any wording from the source material. Summarize rather than paraphrase, and don't try to include every single detail. This will typically result in your version being much shorter than the source document. It also helps to have more than one source to draw from.  — Diannaa (talk) 22:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I cannot for the life of me think of a way to rephrase church membership that doesn't include church membership. Perhaps the take-away for me on this is, as you suggest, not to include details at all. This goes against the grain for me. I have always believed it's important to know, not only what scholars say, but why. Excluding details will turn the statement of decline into a claim without evidence, ipse dixit, and that goes against everything I have ever been trained to do. That hurts me, I'm telling you!


It will be a hard habit to break. But I am working on being more concise overall. I just didn't see how this could possibly be correct! But I trust your integrity, knowledge and experience, and I will bend the knee, and do my best to cooperate. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I am sorry for the delayed reply; real life has been busy and I haven't gotten a chance to check in on Wikipedia in the past week. I looked at the edit to History of Christianity and the sources you mentioned above, and I agree with Diannaa. I think her last response above is some really helpful advice, and since you also mentioned copyright in lists I'll add that Wikipedia:Copyright in lists is a good essay that has been useful to me in my own editing. DanCherek (talk) 16:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 
DanCherek Thank you so much for getting back to me on this. I sort of expected you to agree with her, especially since I also found her explanation good enough to cooperate with whether I fully understood or even fully agreed. First let me say that I agree with erring on the side of caution and will follow Dianna's definition from now on. I have learned a lot from her and am a better, more careful editor because of her input. I value what she does. What feels like heavy handedness is a bit frustrating sometimes, but she is pretty much never in the wrong. I trust her judgment, so I am trying to understand what my take-away from this should be. I want to not make the same mistakes - they are not intentional or from neglect or unconcern. My edits are good faith edits. I'm just old and forgetful at times - but not this time. 

I read the essay you posted. Then I read it again. Then I studied it a bit. The gist of the essay seems to be that, where public domain lists are the issue, copyright depends upon whether or not creativity went into the arrangement of the list. Dianna's example of a song is heavily loaded with creative arrangement. The question then is whether or not the arrangement of the facts in the article I referenced reflect creativity in its arrangement. 

Dianna says yes, but it did not seem obviously so to me when I included it. That's because there are only three facts, and the separate phrases are used by other authors in other references. I thought that meant the phrases were public domain - and what the essay says is, that may be so, but their arrangement can still have "creative" copyright. Wikimedia concluded "You are really only safe if the list is purely formulaic". But it did seem formulaic to me. I see those same things everywhere the topic of decline is discussed. I accept that you both think I am wrong about that. Okay, I've been wrong before and no doubt will be again, no biggie, but I would like to be able to take away a better understanding from this than I currently seem to have. I would like to see what you see well enough that Dianna never has to come along and threaten me again. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)



Noticed something


I'm pretty sure you had auto-archiving at some point User talk:Jenhawk777/Archive 6, but this page is getting a bit long. The code seems to have been removed at some point. Reinserting the Help:Archiving (plain and simple) code may work, but I'm no authority on that. It may create 2 "lines" of archives, so to speak.

In other news, Watching the Napoleon Movie? Don’t Forget to Read His Wikipedia Page. It goes beyond Napoleon, God is mentioned. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)



Gråbergs Gråa Sång I went through the whole dang thing - which I have also noticed was too long - and found the entry for archiving right about in the middle, and couldn't tell why it wasn't working. So I went to your talk page, copied yours, and came back here, adjusted it for me, and we will now see what happens. There is stuff here from over a year ago. I have no clue why it stopped working. Thank you for prompting me to do something! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Your archive code seems to be hidden in this section User_talk:Jenhawk777#Well_done, you see it if you check the wikitext. I'm fairly sure it's supposed to go "after the talk page headers (all the other stuff with curly brackets at the top of the edit box).", not in a particular thread. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

So it's still not working? Jenhawk777 (talk) 09:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't think so. You may want to ask for assistance at the helpdesk. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I moved it to the top. Maybe that will fix it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 09:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Give it 24-48 hours and see if anything happens. If not, you can try with the Help:Archiving (plain and simple) code, it's what I used. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!  I will. You are so kind and helpful. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Victory! Stuff like [4] and [5] will be of immeasurable worth to future WP-archeologists. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Ha ha!! I can't imagine ever going back for any of it, but as you know well, WP records everything. Jenhawk777 (talk) 14:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

This may interest you, if you haven't seen it: Special:Impact/Jenhawk777. It's a new-ish thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:22, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh wow that's cool. WP keeps track of EVERYTHING!!!  It's a little creepy ... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:26, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


I love that article!  I am going to use it in a disagreement that is ongoing over the length of History of Christianity. Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

...Napoleon does have a "This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably." banner, though. WP:OTHERCONTENT arguments aren't the best IMO. But it's not an easy problem, they tried to do something over at Talk:George_Santos#Split_proposal and that one is "only" about 109,585 bytes of prose. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


Question from Lunger123 (12:00, 4 December 2023)


hi! trying to figure out which sources were good and what parts of the submission needs to be fixed!
thanks --Lunger123 (talk) 12:00, 4 December 2023 (UTC)



For what? Link me and I'll check. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:00, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Presumably Draft:Benji Levy. @Lunger123, of the sources in the draft, which are the 3-5 best you can think of that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of subject and about subject in some detail? This excludes blogs, wikis, subject's websites, online bookstores etc etc etc.


I'm asking because WP:N is your first hurdle. Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing may be worth considering. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


Question from Godslittlewonders (11:36, 5 December 2023)


What is the best way to edit
On a English writing Essay with only 300 words count on the topic of poetry? --Godslittlewonders (talk) 11:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)



In the same manner anything is edited on WP. How to edit a page and How to develop articles. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

This may be a Wikipedia:Do your own homework question... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Most of these are it seems. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

...well, you're not wrong. But "Write a 300 word essay about poetry." seemed more homework than most. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Fair point. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


Oh, and I almost forgot, thank you thank you thank you for helping out here. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

No problem. I edited the Benji Levy draft a little, it may be possible to make it stick. We'll see if there's any response. My default assumption is "No, we don't want your WP:AUTO and you're doing it wrong anyway.", but I also know that this assumption is only correct about 98% of the time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

You rock.   Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


CS1 error on History of Christianity


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Checked and reported. It is not a bare url. Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:58, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Been told to ignore. [6] Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


Question from Rabindra KL (16:24, 14 December 2023)


Suggestion for edit --Rabindra KL (talk) 16:24, 14 December 2023 (UTC)



You want a suggestion from me? Have a suggestion for me?  Where?  What is the suggestion? Please clarify. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:26, 14 December 2023 (UTC)




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Question from Djthahomie (15:16, 20 December 2023)


U THINK U CAN HELP ME BULID A ARTICLE FOR MUSIC ARTIST THATS ME “DJTHAHOMIE --Djthahomie (talk) 15:16, 20 December 2023 (UTC)



Not unless there are enough other people who have written about you that there is sufficient material to reference. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


Question from Djthahomie (16:37, 20 December 2023)


Published my music name DJTHAHOMIE --Djthahomie (talk) 16:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)



Did you publish that yourself?  Nothing self-published can be used on WP. If someone else published your name and that's all there is, that is insufficient. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:58, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


December greetings


December: story · music · places


Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. - I wish you a good festive season and a peaceful New Year! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)



Merry Christmas Gerda! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


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Thank you dear one!  Merry Christmas to you as well! Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:36, 23 December 2023 (UTC)


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Question from DaShayban (17:55, 4 January 2024)


Hi, I just joined Wikipedia because I was bored, I guess. Maybe I could edit or make some articles in the future. But I'm quite new to editing and making wikipedia articles. --DaShayban (talk) 17:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)



== Welcome! == Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


Your GA nomination of History of Christianity


Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article History of Christianity you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria.  This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period.   Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Generalissima -- Generalissima (talk) 19:23, 2 January 2024 (UTC)



Generalissima Wow! That's amazing! I only nominated it a few hours ago. Thank you so very much! I've been working on this for months, trying to summarize sufficiently to get the length down - at one time it was over 20,000 words - while still being careful to cover all the important topics. I so hope you like it, and I look forward to any and all helpful criticisms. (I really mean that too, since I am hoping to eventually take this FA.) Thank you again. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Say an agnostic Swedish prayer for me...  Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

[7] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


I hope you had a nice Trettondedag jul. Me and my family ate and drank. As a Wikipedian, I told them this holiday was in the memory of the three Magi and and Jesus' baptism. They may have been somewhat skeptical, but what can you do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I wish that was a holiday we celebrated - it looks like so much fun!  But I suppose it's just as well we don't have another eating holiday.  We start in October and don't quit till January. Any more and I'd weigh 400 lbs!  Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Somewhere in the history of this talkpage, I mentioned the Swedish novel The Longships. In it, there is a (shrewd) christian priest who get the chance to preach to Swedish pagans. He tells them of Jesus that "When he walked on this earth, he turned water into good feast-drink for the joy of his friends." He knew his audience. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Ha ha! I love it! The Danish are not far removed...  Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


Your GA nomination of History of Christianity


The article History of Christianity you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:History of Christianity for comments about the article, and Talk:History of Christianity/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has never appeared on the Main Page as a "Did you know" item, and has not appeared within the last year either as "Today's featured article", or as a bold link under "In the news" or in the "On this day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear at DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On this day" column do not affect DYK eligibility.  Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Generalissima -- Generalissima (talk) 23:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)



Bless you!  Thank you.  You have been wonderful. Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations! I saw on Gerda's talk page (I don't think I'm welcome there right now, so I come here) that you intend to take it to FAC, which it definitely has the legs for, but I would echo her advice not to go through an A-class process, and instead try to drum up advice at a peer review. I can tell you the names of editors who'll give good advice. As for DYK, try to find unusual facts that you wouldn't expect from an article titled "History of Christianity", or facts that are simply so fantastic/amazing they just stand out in any context. Let me know if you want any advice on either FA or DYK. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I haven't been to Gerda's page yet, but on the A-class page they say it is prep for FAC. I wonder why she would be against it - but I trust Gerda absolutely. If she says no, I won't do it. I have already had three separate "informal" but extremely helpful peer reviews, but I am always in need of more victims - I mean candidates. I will look through the article and see if something jumps out, but 'unusual' and 'amazing' are rarely aspects of histories like this one. Besides, in this area that probably equates to controversial...  Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


I just saw the GA mark and headed here to say congratulations. Well done for all your hard work. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 16:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

 ActivelyDisinterested   Bless you!  Thank you so much!  Did you happen to see my message on your page about not finding the common.css page? Any advice on getting it to FA? Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page, sorry I should have added a ping. Asking about FA status is well over my head, I would take AirshipJungleman29 up on their offer on that one. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 19:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Going there. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


How do I collapse the GA review now that it's done? Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:30, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean the review details on the talk page? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 20:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I've add {{cot}} and {{cob}} to the GA Review part. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 20:37, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

You are so cool. Thank you. What do those stand for exactly? I will write that down somewhere! Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


Ummmm... it's all still there. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:40, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Collaspe top and collaspe bottom. |title= is used in cot to add text.
Its collasped but remains in the table of contents, if you go to a section of it it will auto uncollaspe. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 20:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I see that now. Thank you again. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


~~ AirshipJungleman29 I was thinking on your advice to look for the "unusual" for a DYK, and I may have found one. "Sex was central to one of the greatest ideological shifts in history". I can't think of how to include empire, individual freedom vs. fate, and social status. This is a direct quote: "The legacy of Christianity lies in the dissolution of an ancient system where social and political status, power, and social reproduction scripted the terms of sexual morality." It might fill the bill. WDYT? Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

There's also this: " From the 600s to the 700s, Roman Popes had to be approved by the Eastern emperor before they could be installed,"  and this one "Between 1000 and 1300, the Church became the leading institution of this world that was becoming increasingly refined, educated and secular. After 1300, the Church was riddled with corruption and entered into a decline that ended in the division of the Church."  Does any of this seem viable to you? Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


And this: "the Church of the 1300s, which had in its origins decried the power of law, developed "the most complex religious law the world has ever seen... in which equity and universality were largely overlooked". Do you like any of these?  Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


I actually love this one: "Popes began losing prestige and power in the 1300s. Pope Boniface VII (1294-1303) wrote a papal bull in 1302 claiming papal superiority over all secular rulers. Philip IV, king of France, answered by sending an army to arrest him. Boniface fled for his life." Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


Question from Derrick Calligan on Harry Reid International Airport (02:13, 12 January 2024)


I can see the destination airline on there can you fix it --Derrick Calligan (talk) 02:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)



Fix what? Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


Question from NewGenofblack (02:30, 18 January 2024)


Who keeps archives of all history in a book like how the Bible is? The history of everything in the world that happened up until now? And who keeps archives of people who were born and enslave? --NewGenofblack (talk) 02:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)



No one. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)


Question from Lo1vesedi2ting (18:16, 15 January 2024)


Hello, I was editing my sandbox, but something isn't letting me publish that edit. It keeps showing me a "Something went wrong" message when the only thing I tried to do is to cite a website. --Lo1vesedi2ting (talk) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)



Give me a link. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I can't give you a link because it keeps saying something went wrong, even on your talk page. The link is from New World Encyclopedia about Harold Harefoot. I reported the error & another user posted a message in my talk page that says that New World Encyclopedia isn't a reliable source. Lo1vesedi2ting (talk) 21:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)


I found it. It looks as if that is copied from that website. That would be the problem. You can't copy anything to anywhere on WP, not even your own sandbox, w/o putting a banner saying it is copied. That would be two curly brackets, the word copied, then a straight-up stovepipe  |, then from= the web address or title, stovepipe, to=your sandbox, then two closing curly brackets. Try that and see if it works. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:30, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Your edits are being rejected because you keep trying to post links to New World Encyclopedia, which is a fork of Wikipedia controlled and moderated by the Unification Church. Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks makes it very clear that forks are not reliable sources, and have no use here.  That particular one triggers the edit filter because there's a history of it being used disruptively by an WP:LTA.  The article you were trying to link is simply a fork of Harold_Harefoot; why not just link to the Wikipedia version? OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!  I had no idea. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:03, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


You may or may not be interested


Talk:The_Bible_and_violence#May_someone_explain_why_is_the_"Hamsa"_(Yiddish!)_word_in_the_article_in_the_first_place?. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)



Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you for alerting me. I was interested and did go make a comment. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

They didn't like it much.  Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

One can speculate on if this is a reaction to the word Hamas, which has been seen in the news (and on WP) a bit since last year. But, quite unrelated to the article in question. I couldn't stop myself [8] but I may get around to digging up the whos? at some point. You also inspired me to do this edit [9], we'll see if it sticks. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:07, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, he did call it political, but it isn 't current and has nothing to do with current issues really. I may edit some too. It has needed it for a long time now. Including some of the stories themselves - context - would be an improvement. Except the Bible generally makes no comment on them. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

So I was in a discussion that was getting a bit annoying (Talk:Jai_Shri_Ram#WP:LEAD_disagreement), thought to myself "What can I do that's more sane and calming? Ah! I'll go over to The Bible and violence and talk to Jenhawk." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

 But of course! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:59, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


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Question from Thirteentreefrogs (02:53, 19 January 2024)


Hello! I am working on an article about someone who died but I have somewhat incomplete information about them. They are a theatre  set designer and have produced over 150 plays (verbally confirmed by her coworkers) but I only have information about less than 20, and incomplete info about some of them; I'm missing the years some of them were produced, and since some of them are form the 70s and 80s, it's hard to find information about them online. Do you have advice about how to present this information, like is there a way to make a note somewhere that this is an incomplete list? Thank you. --Thirteentreefrogs (talk) 02:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)



You can't include information that you only have personally confirmed verbal information about. Read and follow this:Wikipedia:Reliable sources Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I am following the format on that page. Do you have any advice on how to note that information is incomplete in an article? Thirteentreefrogs (talk) 20:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You can just say so, but it's kind of a given that things are missing in every Wikipedia article. We have limits on length and space. Be as thorough as you can. You can note information that is lacking. But above all else, be sure you have those sources! Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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Like 2019, remember? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)



What a wonderful article. Hope you have a happy new year for real. Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! - On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible. - About that A class, I think we have some misunderstanding, - I simply believe that GA tops A, but don't have the slightest experience with A B C. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt  "A" supposedly tops "GA" and is an interim step to FA, so I first thought that was the way to go. I would like to see History of Christianity reach FA, and I learned from my first experience at FA that it requires a great deal more prep than I knew back then, so I was thinking of how best to prep it - and me. In keeping with getting all my ducks in a row, I thought 'A' might be the way to go, but others seem to think another peer review specifically aimed at FA is the best idea. I have therefore nominated it for peer review - which you recommended - but my hopes are not high that it will get a response anytime soon. FA reviewers are all busy with actual reviews. All I can do is wait. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:52, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


story · music · places


Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. - I'm on vacation - see places. - I like that you don't give up the PR, - repeating: take the advice you can live with, and ignore other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)



History of Christianity


Thank you so much again for your work on this article! I noticed with the peer review that a lot of people were discussing pairing down the article; this is something that I have found myself relatively adept at, and I was wondering if I could offer my skills in trying to defluff it a little so that space opens up for details that ought to be added; I've spent enough time with it at this point I think I have an idea of how this would be done (and if it ends up being not as high quality, it can always just get reverted to the previous state) Generalissima (talk) 18:36, 24 January 2024 (UTC).



 Generalissima What a wonderful offer!  Yes of course!  You know you don't have to ask, but it is so like the you I have come to know here to do so. I am deeply touched. Thank you, yes, yes, that would be wonderful. If it is also okay with you, we can kind of work as a team, so that if I see any critical content being removed, we can discuss how to keep it while still taking advantage of your skill at being concise. I do not have that skill!  I want all the juicy details! Thank you dear one. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:49, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I am feeling so much more hopeful now that I am already doing more research on making the additions to Antiquity and the high Middle Ages that others requested. I can come up with the content, and if you can edit it down, then perhaps then we can reassess the whole FA thing. I would be thrilled to be able to co-nominate with you. I didn't know such a thing was possible. Your comment on the review page was spot on. I know there are things I can no longer see, just because that's the way it works with humans! But together perhaps we can actually get this done. Thank you. You are amazing!!!!   Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Of course! I am busy with classwork at the moment, but I'll try to take a look at it once I'm done. My first big change will be trying to transfer as many scholarly quotes as possible to simple cited statements; that I think will clear up the prose. I also might take the axe to some of the notes, since sadly I feel that reviewers were correct in stating that many are unnecessary with the density of links and hatnotes we have. I am not a scholar of religion by any means, so I think you will have to take up the content additions that were suggested. Luckily, I think we have a broad and relatively consistent set of things the reviewers thought were missing. Generalissima (talk) 20:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Well I have totally screwed this up. I have to redo the center section from scratch with better sources. I am preoccupied with RL right now, but will be back and do that! Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:35, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


Question from Digital Market Tags (21:54, 6 February 2024)


Greetings. I want to add an article on digital marketing, could you please guide me how i do so --Digital Market Tags (talk) 21:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)



follow these instructions exactly: Help:Your first article Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:01, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


New article (hopefully)


Draft:Nicôle Lecky, what do you think? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)



It looks good to me, but I know diddley-squat about writing biographies. Gerda does it all the time. Her opinion is of more value about that. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

My method, which seems to work fairly well, is to be a WP:BLP-fanatic. I came across a mention of her in a book, and the name of her play had been spell-checked to Superhero. Human or computer spell-checker, I can imagine both. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm that way about my favorite topics as well. Spring is beginning here and I am busy in the garden doing stuff I will regret not doing later if I don't get to it. At some point, I have to come back here and redo the Middle Ages section on HofC. I asked and everyone else agreed it was biased. It seemed like they thought it was an anti-Christian bias - which is kind of funny when you think about it - but I am not an authority on the Middle Ages, so I accept and will redo. I thought I was just going by what the sources said. One editor said it looked like I picked the sources based on what they said. I didn't of course, but now I have to start all over again using "better" sources. To them that seems to mean more general types of sources - though they did not like the History of the Western Humanities that I used. One guy kept calling it an "art history" book - which it contains, but it also has history of religion that was convenient and easy to use. It's a good reference. I don't know why they disliked it so much, but it's pretty easy to find good sources, so I will, and I've already made a start in my sandbox. Just going to be awhile. If I don't answer right away, it's because I'm outside. I'll be back. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


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Question from NollanKingsley (17:46, 10 February 2024)


Is it necessary that whenever I edit, I should add a reference? --NollanKingsley (talk) 17:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)



Yes. You should only edit in those things you have found in the majority of sources. Research first. then edit.  Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


New religion article


Hi Jenhawk! The new page Split of Christianity and Judaism could use help from a good religion editor like yourself! Thanks :) Zanahary (talk) 07:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)



Thank you for the suggestion.  I will add it to my list! :-)  I am preoccupied in RL right now and still have work to do on one I've been working on for quite awhile, but I will certainly look into it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


Question from Dr.ibrahimk (10:26, 13 February 2024)


Thanks , I tend to this topics that you count



as well --Dr.ibrahimk (talk) 10:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)



Welcome. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


A note of appreciation


Dear @Jenhawk777,

I recently came across History of Christianity. Well done. Please accept my appreciation. I imagine that church history is like a tree: there are people like you who does massive work at the trunk, whereas I focus more on one single branch and the twigs and leaves along. 

I also wish you a good Ash Wednesday. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 22:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)



Bless you!  Thank you so very much. Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)


Question from Shizzi01 (21:03, 17 February 2024)


How can I edit on Wikipedia --Shizzi01 (talk) 21:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)



Welcome to Wikipedia!  It's a great place, but there is a lot to learn. First, do some reading. how to edit a page is a great place to start. Once you have good sources and some idea what the majority view of what you have researched is, click on the edit source at the top, type in what you want to add - with citations to good sources - explain what you did and why in the edit summary, then press publish.  Voila!


getting started and Simplified Manual of Style are things you must know and do or you will end up with your edits being removed. If I can help further, let me know. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)



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"I’m not sure there is an answer to life, the universe and everything. But when someone figures it out, I’ll know where to find it — and you can bet there’ll be footnotes." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Btw, take a look at User talk:Womeninbible. If they are who they say they are [10], I think we want them to stick around. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)



Gråbergs Gråa Sång I forgot to say, I like the quote. And I have a question. I have tried twice to remove the peer review request on HofC and each time I've been told I can't. But I need to, since I am - once again - redoing it. Do you know the magic steps? Turn counter-clockwise 4 times in a darkened room on a rainy Tuesday and then remove it?? I can't seem to get it right. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea. I SUMMON THE @Platinum Goddess of Wikipedia, maybe she knows. HofC = History of Christianity. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I asked. She didn't. I should just go ask the guy who keeps putting it back I guess. Grumble grumble gripe groan... Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


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Tachoni tribe stands as an independent tribe in Kenya. Mostly people mistaken it to a luhyia group since most of its occupants live in areas around Webuye in Bungoma county thus sharing a land with the luhyia groups especially the Bukusu and Kabras. Tachonis' are believed to have originated from El-Matru a region in Misri Egypt and migrated downwards following the Nile river due to a deadly attack that happened by their neighbors which lead to a great bloodshed.

On their way they met the kalenjin subtribes which they interacted and moved together via Ethiopia into Kenya. Upon reaching Kenya, they divided into groups which lead them to occupy lower western region as the Sabaots, Teuregs and some groups went at the slopes of mount Elgon while the other kalenjin subtribes went further to the regions of Uasin gishu which was by thenn occupied by the Maasai people.

Later on, other tribes begun occupying the unoccupied regions in western region e.g the Tesos.
During the onset of colonialism, they had gathered and multiplied further. So when the whites begun their rules, the Tachonis' resisted together with the Nandi tribe and some other tribes which lead to an intense fight. The fight lead to capture of some leaders e.g Koitalel arap Samoei of the Nandi, while the Tachonis' were subjected to a total brutal workforce. Their greeneries were burnt down, while some were killed. Leaders we're drawn as far as kisumu and other tribes like Kabras and wanga to rule over them. That was not enough. Their lands were taken by force and we're forced to flee and find refuge from other tribes. This means of divide and rule lead to the lose of their dialect and their lands to date.
Most of the settlement schemes and forest reserves in the wide western region of Kenya were once the Tachoni lands. After independence, the government took all those white settlements and made them government properties thus leading to a total disettlment of the Tachoni people. That's why they lack their official lands as many other tribes in Kenya. Bilmiah khaweri bii (talk) 17:36, 24 February 2024 (UTC)



This is a sad story. Colonialism did a lot of harm. Is there some reason you are telling me this? Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)


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Question from Kmt4536 (12:30, 4 February 2024)


Hi. I often look at films and TV shows on here and occasionally see the names of actors in the Cast section credited by their current stage name with a footnote or parentheses to state what they were credited as at release. For example, Miley Cyrus was credited as Destiny Hope Cyrus in Big Fish, but she is listed in the Cast section as Miley Cyrus, with a footnote stating the name she was credited as. I have seen nothing but this style of listing cast names until I was on the page for The Little Mermaid II, where Tara Strong is consistently referred to as Tara Charendoff, which she was credited as at the time of release. I can't find anything in the Wikipedia manual for style of writing where it is explained which is the correct way to refer to an actor, other than a section about avoiding deadnaming transgender people. Would you be able to explain to me which is correct? --Kmt4536 (talk) 12:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)



I cannot. I'm sorry. It's possible Gerda might know. She is super knowledgable and experienced, writes in the area of music consistently and there is no kinder more helpful person on Wikipedia. If she can't help you, she might know who can. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

We should ping her, then! @Gerda Arendt ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Ooops! My bad! Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:01, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for (too) high praise, and yes, I try to be kind and I know some things but not about film crediting. How about Dr. Blofeld. - Generally, sometimes people get married, take stage names or change their names in other ways. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda. Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:40, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


Thank you Gerda. @Dr. Blofeld would you be able to answer this question for me? Kmt4536 (talk) 15:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Go ask.Most editors here are happy to help others. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

thank you :) Kmt4536 (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. If you come up with a question I can actually answer, I am always available. Good luck! Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:20, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


story · music · places


You are welcome! - Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


It's sure a good thing for me - having you as a friend. I need a keeper most days. Instead I have the very best of friends.  Thank you. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


sfn error in History of Christianity


Hello, I am Gilbert and I am contacting you about the broken sfn/harv citation number 336. Since you split the sources into chapters, you need to update the shortened footnote to reflect it. You can add onto the date and put A or B right next to it. Thank you! Thecowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:03, 1 March 2024 (UTC)



Thank you so much for the heads up! I truly genuinely appreciate it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)




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Question from Crazyblock2023 (21:43, 13 March 2024)


Hi! how to I message on wikis? --Crazyblock2023 (talk) 21:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)



Can't I-message on wikipedia. Can email and leave messages on Talk pages. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


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Question from Kabiblehopper (14:45, 2 March 2024)


Fellow editor Viewmount Viking keeps deleting my edits, one of which on the JD Irving Ltd has him asking me to prove a negative. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J._D._Irving&action=history

"Irving group of companies" isnt a registered organization, and therefore cannot be the "parent company" it is a colloquial term used to describe the Irving conglomerate, how can I cite something that doesnt exist? 

How do I negate this. --Kabiblehopper (talk) 14:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)



Kabiblehopper I went and had a look.  Viewmont Viking has reverted you twice for the same error - your material is unsourced - and he is in the right.[11]


It also does look promotional. Do you have any connection to the company? It is against wiki policy to use WP for promotional purposes. Please take a look at this; [12].  Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

How does one prove a negative as is required in this scenario? The irving group of companies is not a physical group, its a colloquial name associated with a group of companies owned by one family. Ive established several times that Im not associated with irving, why is it that everyone is accusing me of self promotion when the articles written about irving & its subsidiaries are just incredibly bad. Kabiblehopper (talk) 13:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Because what you write about them doesn't sound neutral. But set that aside. It's the sources that really matter. We have had people that articles are about come and complain something is inaccurate, and they know because it's about themselves, but without a secondary source we can't publish it. Crazy I know, but if you stay long enough you will figure out why that's actually an important policy. People can impersonate anyone and say anything. We reference sources that can be checked. Always. Fix that issue and you'll be fine. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


Question from Muqing112233 (02:43, 22 March 2024)


Hello? Sorry to ask: Why can't I publish the translated article even after checking it? --Muqing112233 (talk) 02:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)



 Gråbergs Gråa Sång  do you know the answer to this question? I don't. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Muqing112233, is this about User:Muqing112233/Handan Junior High School Student Kills a Student? If so, you can add {{subst:submit}} at the top of it. Otherwise, Wikipedia:Translation may have something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:35, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


Btw Jenhawk, trying to "fix" a ping like this [13] doesn't work (yes of course there's a page, WP:PINGFIX. And I might occasionally look at your talkpage anyway). Simplest is just making a new signed reply, "Failed to ping @Jenhawk777" or whatever. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for you answer Muqing112233 (talk) 12:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


Yes thank you for your answer and the new info for me as well. Thank you thank you!! Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


I think I remember you said you liked this guy too


IAN McSHANE TALKS ABOUT LOVEJOY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)



I deeply admire Ian McShane's talent. I thought he was under appreciated in America. He makes it look so natural that it's hard to tell he's acting - he just seems to be being himself - but that's really the epitome of good acting isn't it?  He's brilliant. Thank you for this! Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Eric: Here, you forgot your meat yesterday.


Lovejoy: Ah! Now the winter of our discontent is made glorious summer by that loin of pork! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


Since you involve yourself in the GA-process now and then, you might find this bit of WP-drama interesting: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#TonyTheTiger_is_gaming_the_WikiCup_through_GAN_spam. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

And this was also an impressive piece of WP-drama: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Follow_up_from_VPM. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)



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I uploaded vacation pics (from back home), and I listen to Bach's St John Passion today, - 300 years after it was first performed. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)



My church did an Easter cantata that included Bach's "Oh Sacred Head now Wounded" this year. It always makes me cry. I love Bach. Happy Easter! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Understand. I always cry when the orchestra begins the opening of the St Matthew Passion. - Two days later in time, Bach music for Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

And that includes all the reasons why I love you.   Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


Question from Avantabo (05:11, 1 April 2024)


Greetings am requesting for your assistance in creating a company page --Avantabo (talk) 05:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)



Don't. Read this instead: [14] Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)


Question from PDJ81 (18:27, 1 April 2024)


Hello

I want to add https://tolpuddletothecotswolds.co.uk/ where?!!

Thank you --PDJ81 (talk) 18:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)



Question from SandhuuSingh (03:54, 7 April 2024)


Hi, one question How do you create something? --SandhuuSingh (talk) 03:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)



Do you mean how do you create your first article or do you mean how do you write anything anywhere? To write something, first you must have something worth writing, and that begins with good research in secondary sources. Click on edit source at the top of whatever you are editing, write and cite your sources, then press publish. Before writing anything though I suggest reading: Contributing is easy: see how to edit a page. For a quick summary on participating, see contributing to Wikipedia, and for a friendly tutorial, see our introduction. For a listing of introductions and tutorials by topic, see getting started. The Simplified Manual of Style and Cheatsheet can remind you of basic wiki markup.


Be bold in improving articles! When adding facts, please provide references so others may verify them. If you are affiliated with the article subject, please see our conflict of interest guideline. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


Hello


You may or may not find this discussion interesting: Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Methuselah it's not really in the right place and will probably not "decide" anything by itself, but it's a recurring topic for some articles you've heard of. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)



Question from MatteoSilver (09:24, 11 April 2024)


Hello, I’m new to editing. Is it okay to be done from a phone or tablet? I don’t typically use a computer. --MatteoSilver (talk) 09:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)



@MatteoSilver Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Yes, it's ok, though depending on how you do it, things may look different from when you work with a laptop. User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing may have something you find useful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


Question from Lim Ban Siew (15:11, 18 April 2024)


how can i start to personal information ? --Lim Ban Siew (talk) 15:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)



Please do not do that on Wikipedia. This is not a social platform, and there are those who will abuse and misuse that information. This is an encyclopedia published by those who do research and write what amounts to Master's level research papers. Protect your work and yourself by keeping all personal information personal. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


Question from Mitsoukorussie (19:22, 22 April 2024)


Hi, I believe I provided valid reasons for editing the Stewart Shining article, but another editor removed my edits without verifying why they were edited in the first place. I believe this was an aggressive move by him. Today, I entered entries under the "talk" section of "Stewart Shining," as well as the "Museum of Contemporary Art Santa Barbara," before adding any changes. Am I going about this correct way? Can I ask another editor to help me verify my edits and make the changes? --Mitsoukorussie (talk) 19:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)



You are doing exactly right. The list of problems on the Talk page suggests this article should be nominated for deletion. Go here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion and follow the instructions. The article can be recreated in the future if it becomes appropriate to do so. Jenhawk777 (talk) 14:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


Question from ZH09 (21:14, 22 April 2024)


I love writing about technology and famous people. I am not experienced per se, but I have written mini-articles for my club. --ZH09 (talk) 21:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)



Cool. Just remember to source everything you write here. Enjoy! Jenhawk777 (talk) 14:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


Question from Tet-Math2 on User:Tet-Math2/sandbox (22:29, 24 April 2024)


I'm trying to get this published. It has equations in it that I could not find anywhere when I needed them.  Perhaps others are in the boat I just escaped from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tet-Math2/sandbox --Tet-Math2 (talk) 22:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)



Well that's easy to explain. Read this entire page: Wikipedia:Verifiability especially this Wikipedia:Verifiability#Original research because what you have is 100% original research without a single source cited. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that only publishes verifiable material from secondary sources - research papers. All original research will be deleted. If you don't delete it, I will. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

While you're at it, read this as well. Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:09, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


Question from Tet-Math2 on User:Tet-Math2/sandbox (12:01, 25 April 2024)


Hello Jenhawk777
I'm User:Tet-Math2/sandbox
There's NO submit for review option at the bottom of my sandbox.  I'm asking you to review my efforts & hopefully inject them into Wikipedia.  It's not much good if they just stay in my sandbox !!!
I'm dying to know if these are new equations never seen before.
Gasp Gasp Gasp --Tet-Math2 (talk) 12:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)



I have already answered this. I looked at it before answering above. You must abide by Wikipedia policies. Wikipedia does not publish original work. There is not a single secondary source cited for any of this other than Wikipedia itself. If you publish this, it will be deleted. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


@Tet-Math2, Jenhawk is correct, what you have at User:Tet-Math2/sandbox isn't anything close to what a WP-article should be, among other things WP:NOTMANUAL. Something like what you are doing might fit at Wikiversity, but I've never edited there, so I'm not sure, you'll have to check it out yourself. Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics may be of interest to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


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Question from Stickfigurez000 (15:58, 27 April 2024)


Hello! I've never tried or thought about editting a wikipedia article but I was like, why not try it out and see how it works? I saw that under other names for the USA they don't have "the States" which all Europeans, people in the UK, and especially Canadians, exclusively call the US. I just thought, "wouldn't it be fun to add 'the States' since most Americans don't know that we never say the US, or USA and never "America!" haha So ya, that's what brought me here :) --Stickfigurez000 (talk) 15:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)



Why not indeed? Just be sure to follow the rules. There's a lot to learn about how to properly edit on WP, so as not to get your work deleted.


Add "the States" to what exactly? My dad was military and I lived "overseas" for several years and we always referred to "home" as "the states". As far as I know, that's been the practice going back to the world wars. I guess locals picked it up. Since the military is such a small percentage of the population, you are probably right about many not knowing that. But I guess I don't quite get why or where that would be an issue.Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Have a song: Hugh Laurie's Song for America Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:04, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I was ready to punch him too ...  Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The question could be about the lead of United States. I found this 2020 discussion: Talk:United_States/Archive_97#U.S._is_sometimes_referred_to_as_"the_States". "The states" don't seem to be in the article at all atm, but can be found at Names of the United States. Now, have another song: Kicking Ass' song. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Do you know every article in the entire encyclopedia? You astound me. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Meh (but thanks). Even I know "The States", and I know Wikipedians, so I figured it probably had been discussed 1 or 12 times before. Now, on behalf of the backup singer in the second song (puncher in the first), I want it to be known that he writes books:Stephen_Fry_bibliography_and_filmography#Books. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes he does. I am not a big fan of his, though it is likely a bias on my part. I'm a big fan of you.  Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Likewise! And it's good to know I have fans, I've been in disputes lately, among other things about The Merchant of Venice if you can believe it. Well of course you can, you also know Wikipedians. Well, the other guy is on a 24h block, we'll see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Aaaahhh... thank you. If you need me, tell me, I'll be there. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

And that went from 24h block to indef with talkpage access revoked. Unless there's socking later, that one can probably be put in the files. So I'm off to my next adventure at [15]. Don't involve yourself, but you might like to watch. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


Question from ArelwarendeYy on User talk:ArelwarendeYy (11:40, 28 April 2024)


Hello...How do I create my own page --ArelwarendeYy (talk) 11:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)





Post something - not too personal - something about your interests, why you're on WP, whatever you like that isn't info someone could use to find you and harass you, on your user page - your name page. See that your name is in red? When you post something on that page, it will turn blue. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


Precious anniversary


Precious
Six years!


--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)



story · music · places


Click on music for a particularly interesting set of three today - it changes almost daily. I took two of the three pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)



Wonderful! Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


Question from Kmd1holding (08:13, 2 May 2024)


macam mana nak buat wikipedia page --Kmd1holding (talk) 08:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)



@Kmd1holding This is the English language Wikipedia. Many languages have their own Wikipedia. Are you perhaps looking for [16]? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


???? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


Question from Paulinefowler666 (16:59, 3 May 2024)


Hi! I have noticed some Wikipedia pages have lists of celebrities in a table, for example this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Simpsons_guest_stars_(seasons_1%E2%80%9320)

And some celebrities names will have † next to them to symbolise that the celebrity is dead. For example the table of housemates here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_(British_TV_series)_series_20 I was wondering if this is appropriate to put on any sort of article (like the one above) or is this not necessary? I find the idea very helpful, but if it's not needed on every sort of table including celebrities I understand. --Paulinefowler666 (talk) 16:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)



For lists try this: [17]. For the rest follow this: [18]. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't mention anything about adding † to lists, I was just wondering if it's okay on any list containing deceased celebrities, to signal that they have since passed away, especially on reality shows etc.


Like on the Big Brother one I linked, there is a † next to those who passed away in the table. But on the Simpsons one, there isn't any next to celebrities that passed from that table. I was wondering if it would be acceptable to add the † to those who passed on any sort of table. It wouldn't make sense to be okay on one form of article but not another. Sorry if this doesn't make a lot of sense, but I like the clarification! Paulinefowler666 (talk) 13:45, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Paulinefowler666, hi! I have no idea what is "best" here (my guess is no firm rule except WP:BLP etc), but you might be able to get a more informed opinion if you ask at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Looking at your table, my reaction is "I can see why someone would want to add that, by I wouldn't bother myself." Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


Question from Arjunsinghramasare (09:18, 18 May 2024)


Hello Sir
I have recently edited Data table that was i think 1 year old.
after spending more than 2 hours collecting data and editing my publish Data table was deleted by ClueBot Ng citing Vandalism. --Arjunsinghramasare (talk) 09:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)



Send me a link so I can see what happened. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


Question from Moly McMillan on Tom Dunn (golf course architect) (10:06, 21 May 2024)


On the Tom Dunn list of courses.  Kingsdown has a [where?] Beside.  Dunn was based in Somerset and the Kingsdown in question is very likely the one 'Near Bath'.  So to be edited to read similar to the Lansdowne course.  Ie.  "Kingsdown, near Bath". --Moly McMillan (talk) 10:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)



Sure - if you have a source you can cite, go for it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


Question from KingLuuh (15:41, 22 May 2024)


Hello how do I edit a story. --KingLuuh (talk) 15:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)



We don't have stories on WP. We have research papers that we call pages or articles, but they are research papers like you would write in college. Do the research, go to edit source on the article, and add what you found to an article including the citation to the reference you used, with the page number, where someone else could find what you have written. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


Drug addict


How to support a person who wants to stop using drugs in the society without hurting their feelings and moral to do the good thing KingLuuh (talk) 15:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)



I'm afraid that's beyond my scope. You'll need to ask someone in that field. Good luck. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


In the press


"But should we not seek the truth? Yes, of course. Nonetheless, as Maher said, like the volunteer writers of Wikipedia, we also must focus on "the best of what we can know right now." That is a statement of intellectual humility, not of relativism. Complex topics and problems do not lend themselves to easy assessments of truth in real time. Through broad sourcing, the Wikipedia model in theory moves us to closer approximations of what is true."

I think that's pretty good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)



I think that's perfect!  Wow! I think I will put it on my name page. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I sure did. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


Have some Swedish-Norwegian Shakespeare:[19] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Have I told you lately that I appreciate you? Consider this as that.  Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:The_Wikipedia_Library#Library_offline?, in case you wondered about that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I also had issues, told them, and within a day they had it resolved and emailed me directly to tell me. They pretty much rock imo. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

They recently added Haaretz. I'm a fan of one of their writers, Omer Benjakob, he has written some very interesting articles about WP like [20]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


May music


story · music · places


Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)



Lovely. Thank you Gerda. How are you? We haven't really chatted in quite awhile. Busy as always I'm sure. Yet you still remember things like this. You are amazing. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


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Question from ThomasCup2024 (14:28, 29 May 2024)


Someone is attempting an edit war. 

He said "NPOV" yet I've used sources that abide by wikipedia's trusted sources for impartiality. On the Lee Chong Wei page. Looking at his history he has said that the reason why he kept deleting another user's edits on Lee Chong Wei, was because he himself did not consider him as one of the greatest, completely ignoring the sources. --ThomasCup2024 (talk) 14:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)



Okay, I went to the article page and looked it over. First, create a new topic on the talk page and ping him directly asking him to explain his revert. Don't assume you know what he thinks. WP:NPOV says Avoid stating opinions as facts. but the problem here could be solved by adding an attribution - who says he is the best - and by including any statements of disagreement. Defend your sources and rewrite that edit to include attribution and opposition - if there is any - and put that on the talk page discussion. Next, if you get nowhere, go here: Wikipedia:Dispute resolution#Resolving content disputes and do what it says. Just know that the first thing Admin will ask is if you tried to resolve this on the talk page. An edit war will reflect badly on you, so stop trying to add that to the article for now. Let me know how it goes. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


Question from Kinjor on Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Sports articles by quality log (07:17, 30 May 2024)


How can i join the football team, in different club, I'm from bhutan, i really want to join the team, i have been playing football from my country.. --Kinjor (talk) 07:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)



I have no idea. Wikipedia has no football team. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


Just wanted to say


I started two articles this week. Teddy bear lady Charleen Kinser and crazy Shakespeare lady Ola Ince. TBH I thought Ola was a dude when I started, it's not a girl's name in Sweden. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)



Ola was my great-grandmother's name, but she was German I think. It's funny isn't it - I almost never start new articles. It's my mission to clean up old ones and there are over a hundred in my area of study. I will die before I finish. :-( Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Apparently Ola (given name) is very "democratic" that way. WP isn't technically infinite. but from our perspective it kinda is. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah to all the above! Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


Question from Javajourney (16:43, 4 June 2024)


how do i upload an album cover to a page, using the 'infobox album' template? --Javajourney (talk) 16:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)



@Javajourney Assuming this is about Draft:Rip Open the Skies (album), you can only do so after the draft has become an article. Rules (WP:NFCC #7). When that is the case, go to WP:FUW, click "Upload a non-free file", chose "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." > "This is the official cover art of a work." Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


ITN recognition for Jürgen Moltmann








On 10 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jürgen Moltmann, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede66 10:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)







I successfully resisted a knee-jerk urge to change "Moltmann described his theology as an extension of Karl Barth's theological works" to "Moltmann described his theology as an extension of theologian Karl Barth's theological works". There are limits. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Why resist? It seems a bit ambiguous as it is. Go for it! Yes, we did. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


We did it ;) (signed late) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

YAY!! Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


Question from AEP1983 (11:00, 12 June 2024)


Hello, how am I doing so far? --AEP1983 (talk) 11:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)



Send me some links on what you've done. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


Question from Bonus Person (01:26, 12 June 2024)


Is there a way for me to search pages that don't have a counterpart in another Wikipedia?

For example, If i wanted to look up articles about Anime that don't have a page on Portuguese Wikipedia, would there be a way for me to do that? --Bonus Person (talk) 01:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)



@Bonus Person Hi! If Jenhawk doesn't know, the people at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) might. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


I have no idea. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


Some scholarship


You may find something interesting in Forging the medieval on Wikipedia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)



Thank you!  That was really interesting.  Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


Perhaps unusually, Richard Nevell - one of the authors - is an experienced Wikipedia editor and has taken at least one article to FA. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Per article, "Academic integrity and Wikipedia guidance on ‘Conflict of Interest’ declarations invite that we state our positions. We are Wikipedia editors..." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


I didn't realize that. That's pretty cool. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC) Hey, what do you guys think about that hacker? That's disturbing. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hacker? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

The Signpost story under Humor - about the high school kid. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah, The Onion-style. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


In other news, this may get interesting: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Anachronist. WP-editors and religion, what can possibly go wrong? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay. And why do I care? :P Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Short fiction in the form of a WP talkpage discussion: [1]




References




    

  1. ^ Burnett, Emma (12 June 2024). "Plastic-eating fungus caused doomsday[2][3]". Nature. doi:10.1038/d41586-024-01723-z.

    2. 



 
Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

OMG!! That was crazy!  What the heck?!?  I'm not going to live in a bunker.  If the world goes, I'm going with it!!   Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


Jürgen Moltmann


story · music · places


Jürgen Moltmann died, and I'm struggling with getting the article referenced. There's now a source in English, which is great, but it sometimes contradicts the article, and I don't know what's right. Example: his "chosen by Christ" was in Belgium according to our article, but in Scotland according to the CT article. Would you have time to help? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Can't believe that Theology of Hope has no article, not even in German. Should we do that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)



Of course I will help you in any way I can. I am in the middle of doing a source review on an FA candidate that is long and complicated right now. It is taking all my time and focus - not even getting anything else done on my own article - is it possible to wait till I finish that? If not, I will put that on hold and help you immediately. Do you need me to find sources? Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Nevermind about the FA. I have spent a little time looking up Moltmann, but I am unsure what you are looking for exactly. I can't find either an article or a book titled "chosen by Christ". The Church in the Power of the Spirit: A Contribution to Messianic Ecclesiology is generally considered his greatest work, and he is thought of as one of the greatest theologians of the last century. 'Theology of Hope' was his first book. His work most certainly deserves an article. Just help me understand what you need, and I will do it today. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


I was a bit in a ruch going out, sorry. Two things: the quote "I was found by Christ" (not chosen) is about an episode mentioned in both the WP article and CT during his time as prisoner of war, but the former had it in Belgium, and the other in Scotland. I helped myself a bit already by placing the quote after all these. (Even Scotland was not the last.) While the referencing for him has to be within days, better one than two, the other, a future article about a book, has more time. How about this: I start about Hope, and you the other, and we help each other? - But for today and tomorrow: any help with inline citations is welcome. You may have better sources than I can find on the internet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, check this out. In The Source of Life: The Holy Spirit and the Theology of Life he personally talks about being a prisoner of war from pages 1-10. The WP article has the details correct but does not actually say where conversion happened. I cannot see all these pages on preview, but I have put in a request at the Resource exchange for pages 1-10, because I am thinking that what you are looking for is somewhere in pages 8-10 which are not on preview. Hopefully that will produce what we need. It may be tonight, but I will get back to you as soon as I get something from them. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


Gerda Arendt The nearest to the phrase you are looking for is on page 5. I never decided for Christ, as is often demanded of us, but I am sure that, then and there, in the dark pit of my soul, he found me." It was a process (as it is in reality for everyone) rather than a single event. On page 8 It began in the night of war, and when we came to Norton camp the sun rose for us. We came with wounded souls, and when we left, 'my soul was healed'. It's truly a marvelous book and a powerful testimony. No wonder even those who disagree with his theology are still moved by him and admire him. I hope this helps. I must return to my review now as I am holding things up there. Bless your efforts - and yourself my friend. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the research! - I was out all day, so I'm afraid I won't be able to sufficiently source the many other theological passages in the article that still need it, and cutting everything unsources would leave the article rather unbalanced. The precise source is from his own book, and some of the rigid variety of reviewers will complain, - although - which "independent source" would Know such personal things? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt  It may be a kind of gray area, but it's published and imo, that qualifies it as a  secondary source. It's not a personal diary, a memoir, a family Bible or even a personal letter - all of which can be and have on occasion been used here. Check the other WP refs: Cezanne, Stephan (5 June 2024). "Zwischen Frömmigkeit und Revolution: Zum Tod des großen Jürgen Moltmann". Kirche und Leben; and   Conradie, E. M. (2012). Creation and Salvation: A companion on recent theological movements. Münster: LIT Verlag. ISBN 978-3-64-390137-8.; and Ryan, Robin (2011). God and the Mystery of Human Suffering (1st ed.) Paulist Press. p. 193. ISBN 978-0-8091-4713-7. I'm almost done with the FA review I've been doing. It's been a little long and complicated because I have gone through all of it. I'll be finished tonight. I will help. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

OK, then let's try ;) - WP:RD is strict about 7 days, he died 3 June, so we have a day left to work it out. I have church and company and cantata plans but will do what I can. He deserves it even if we don't succeed with a Main page appearance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:23, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


Update: someone nominated him already for WP:ITNN. At present, there's one "citation required", perhaps you can focus on that, about the theology of liberation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


Today's story is about a tune used by Bach and Mozart. - There are now more tags in Moltmann's article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

There are nine at last count. I am working on it now. This Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Avoid misuse of primary sources says "Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it ..." so I say we go with that. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt I've done four so far, but I have to break for a bit now. I will be back. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

3 left I think, but I'm tapped out for the day. Be back tomorrow to check on what's left. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 Thank you! I covered the three but now they ask to reference the other works. There's a bibliography in the external links, but it's marked as self-published. The 350+ in the German National Library seem too broad. Did you meet a list of books in English. We have Comradie, but he listed mostly other titles than those in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I added everything I used to the works cited. Reference what "other works"? Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


Do you mean the "Other works" section under the bibliography? What in heaven's name is needed there that isn't already there? Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the latter. ISBN numbers would do, but better some academic list of works or bibliography. - I wanted to add the bibliography from Cameron Coombe, but it's hosted by Wordpress, which is blacklisted. I hoped you had met a different one. If not we could through the 35 pages of the German National Library but it had no English title on the first 2 of those pages ;) - I have the same problem with opera recordings. Printed books, published recordings: what references would they need? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

There's a complete list of works here [21]. A research bibliography is available on the archive [22]. It's citable. Check out this one [23] that has multiple links. And if you can access this one [24] it is probably citable. Are you saying the bibliography needs isbn numbers for every work? They aren't even all books! What the heck?! It's 3 in the morning. I'm going to bed. Whoever these people are, they are supremely aggravating! Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much. The "complete" has way too few to be complete, and is hosted on the same problematic site as the Coombe one, bu that research library should do! Sleep well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I got the notice it made it into the ITN.  Well done Gerda. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Ynd you as well, Jen! - Today I wanted to write a happy song story, on a friend's birthday, but instead we have the word of thunder on top of it, which would have been better on 2 June, this year's first Sunday after Trinity. "Zeit ohne Zeit" means "time without time", composed in 1724, to an even older text! The new lilypond - thanks to DanCherek - is quite impressive. As my 2 Jun story said: Bach was fired up. - Today's Main page is rich in music, also Franz Liszt and a conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Bach is one of my favorites - perhaps because he so often seemed 'fired up'! I like that! I am so happy I was able to help and so very happy it was me that you asked. Take care! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for all that!! - Today is "the day" for James Joyce, also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


Question from Sheikh Ali Rasheed Al Maktoum on Big Life Foundation (01:39, 24 June 2024)


What would that question be? Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


Question from GlobalWalker (01:58, 25 June 2024)


Is there a way to call attention to a paragraph that is so poorly written that I cannot edit it without risking changing the meaning? --GlobalWalker (talk) 01:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)



@GlobalWalker You can for example put[clarification needed] or similar tag on it, see Template:Clarify. You can also start a discussion on it at the article talkpage, a related wikiproject or noticeboard (some article talkpages doesn't have many watchers). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! My internet's been down. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


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Fashion


How to be fashionable Baarrbiee (talk) 04:13, 4 July 2024 (UTC)



It's very easy to learn Baarrbiee (talk) 04:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

WP is not a how to site. It's an encyclopedia, so keep that in mind. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


Earl Bailly


New article, what do you think? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)



It's wonderful!  I love it! Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Love that picture, he looks like a classic moviestar. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

It's really interesting too. You are so good at new content. You amaze me. Where do you get these ideas? Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

You know that saying about what great writers do? In this case, a rep of Lunenburg Art Gallery Society appeared on Commons, asking about uploading, because they wanted to make "a page". They also commented that they were angling for some funding, but that a requirement for them to get it was a WP-article about Bailly. Which of course meant they would have to deal with WP:PAID. After looking around a little on who Bailly was, I offered my help. I mean, this guy is what our dear pedia is for. All hail the WP-library! And archive.org, of course. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Incredible. Just incredible. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

In other news, a dog I started a WP-article about met a king:[25] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:23, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


Question from Kapnonian (12:02, 13 July 2024)


Hello! I am a new editor hoping to join the ranks of great wikipedia editors. I am just wondering how you stay motivated to edit?
Would love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks --Kapnonian (talk) 12:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)



Welcome! I write on things that interest me. I enjoy research. I enjoy learning new things, and I simply like to write. I wanted to be a PhD and didn't finish, so I enjoy this opportunity to research, write and publish. I think about how many people are influenced by Wikipedia. I have a commitment to quality and neutrality and get offended by articles that are biased. I am in a bit of a downturn right now as a matter of fact, so maybe you can help re-inspire me! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


Question from Freedopack (13:04, 16 July 2024)


How can I create a new article --Freedopack (talk) 13:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)



Go here: Help:Your first article Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


Question from OrionSSWikis (16:15, 16 July 2024)


Hello, how do you make fictional electoral maps as I am interested in doing that for alternate history. --OrionSSWikis (talk) 16:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)



Wikipedia has no provision for this that I know of. We write encyclopedia articles using published sources. That's it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


Question from Danny5784 (14:19, 18 July 2024)


Hi, I have a question. How can I put a table in my page? --Danny5784 (talk) 14:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)



Try this one first: Help:Table. If it isn't sufficient, follow the links for additional details. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


Question from Epic mycologist (04:48, 17 July 2024)


If i want to create an article about a newly discovered species, but there is no article about its genus or species, should i create articles for both?



Epic mycologist I apologize. I thought I answered this the other day and somehow it got lost instead. I'm unsure exactly what happened, but it probably has something to do with router problems I've been having. Fixed now I hope.


Anyway, you can do either or both as you see fit. What will determine what you choose will be the available secondary sources. Wikipedia tends to lag behind on the newest news because we can only write about topics that have sufficient quality secondary sources. It usually takes awhile for those to be published. So I am guessing a newly discovered species might not have sufficient coverage for a whole article of its own. Do the research and let that guide you. Remember, no blogs or personal opinions. Good luck. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


Question from Ukchauffeurforce (21:06, 20 July 2024)


hi
i would like to add my companies profile on wikipedia --Ukchauffeurforce (talk) 21:07, 20 July 2024 (UTC)



Well, unless you can find a reason why your company qualifies as a notable topic, and unless you can find an adequate number of good quality secondary sources who have written about your company that you can reference - you can't. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a place for advertising. You need a blog or a podcast for that. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)


Question from Light of Christ gospel center (05:50, 20 July 2024)


Hello please how do I publish an article --Light of Christ gospel center (talk) 05:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)



I'll copypaste this I just wrote on my own talkpage:


Hello! Making an acceptable WP-article without knowing how to edit WP is hard. A common advice is to "just" edit for a while first, to try to get a hang of this place.


That said, your first hurdle is "Can a WP-article about your chosen subject be written at all?" Start with reading WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If your choice of topic fails WP:N, the article will not be accepted. If you decide to go ahead, you need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. This is crucial, and I can't stress that enough. If you intend to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. If you intend to write about yourself (WP:COI), the short advice is "don't."


As an example, when I start drafting an article, I begin something like this: [26]. Get the sources in there, then re-read them, then start adding text, citing as you go along. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC)


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Question from InquisitiveALot (21:01, 22 July 2024)


Hello Jenhawk. I worked on a new page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ramallah_Friends_Meeting_(Quakers)
It has been declined twice and I am not exactly sure why. I have used creditable sources, including books and university papers. Yet people say that the sources are inadequate. Thank you in advance for any help you might offer. --InquisitiveALot (talk) 21:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)



Sorry for the delay. I have been on an unplugged week. I will look at it and get back to you. Give me a couple of days. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know and thank you in advance. Hope that it was a good 'unplugged' week. InquisitiveALot (talk) 18:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)


InquisitiveALot Okay, I went and took a look, and the objections stated are legitimate by Wikipedia standards. These are WP standards: [[27]]. The problem is that you only have four sources, and one of them is a master's thesis. I went to Google scholar, typed in Ramallah Friends meeting, and found a few other more scholarly sources that would probably be usable. I recommend what the other reviewers have already recommended: this article needs more and better sources. I also recommend adding something on why this is a notable enough topic to be included on Wikipedia. Perhaps you might consider adding this content to Ramallah Friends School - if they are connected in any way. That would skip over the problems of publication as a new article.Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your thorough response.


I have added further sources as well as further in-line references to the draft. Concerning adding it to the Ramallah Friends School, despite having a common early history, I do not believe that it would be proper or accurate to have them connected via one article.


You said to add why it would be a notable topic. Where would I add such an explanation?


One thing I am confused about is how there are many articles on Wikipedia which are just 1 or 2 sentences and lack any sources or references. (As I have been trying to add references to some of those articles when able.) InquisitiveALot (talk) 12:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

No problem, happy to help. Some established editor has probably created those short articles with the hope someone else will come along and do the work for them on a topic they think is important enough to be here but not important enough for them to take the time to do properly. Some editors like to have a list of articles they created without being concerned about quality. How that happens is simply that they have created and published without going through the approval process that first articles require. Those two-sentence articles should be nominated for deletion imo, even though they don't really fit the criteria described here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion because they can be fixed through normal editing. It's still pretty cheesy, and lazy, and if you can fix them, and are willing to do so, please do. If not, nominating them for AfD is certainly reasonable - imo. As to notability, put it in comments to the reviewers after checking this Wikipedia:Notability which mainly says there needs to be adequate sources. Good luck. My first article was turned down - twice I think - before finally being published. Don't get discouraged. It happens to nearly everyone. The idea is to learn what WP looks for in a good article, and knowing that will make you a better editor for every article hereafter. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed reply and explanation. Have a wonderful week. InquisitiveALot (talk) 20:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)


Byzantine Empire


Hi Jenhawk777

I'm happy to hear you will be reviewing the religion section! Thanks for reaching out @Aza24. Some requests as you get into this



  • aim for three citations per sentence. I know this might not be practical as is the case with the other specialty topics, but minimum one per sentence. Kaldellis (2023) and Treadgold (1997) have written narrative histories which so you can use them if you can't find much else, though with this topic I'm not worried about that!
    • 

  • Once we are done with the article rewrite, we will then reassess how to reduce the word count. Which is to say don't worry about the word count but keep in mind we may move this content to main articles later and/or restructure the page and add split this content into periods.
    • 

  • There was a heading we recently removed that had uncited text "Relationship with Western Christendom" if you want to add that to your review
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  • Use SFN for citations
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  • I will be reviewing your rewrite and checking the sources for CLOP and alignment with the sources. I know you're an experienced editor so not a concern, but just a headsup if you see me editing your contributions.
    • 

  • Keep us updated either on the FAR talk page or the Articles Talk page


Biz (talk) 06:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)



Hello! And thank you! Will do!  Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)


Question from Phyyoung corazon (15:56, 8 August 2024)


How do I give a meaning to a name --Phyyoung corazon (talk) 15:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)



look it up and give a couple references for it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)


Meaning of "phyyoung"


"Phyyoung : Meaning - 'A wise and trustworthy individual who always keeps their promises and stays true to their word.' This name represents a person who values integrity, wisdom, and reliability, and is known for their honest and dependable nature."
Or
- "A name that symbolizes wisdom, trust, and dependability"

- "Representing a promise-keeper with a wise and honest heart"

- "Embodying the values of integrity, wisdom, and reliability
" Phyyoung corazon (talk) 16:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)



Cool Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)


Byzantine query


Hi there Jen! Haven't spoken in a while–I hope you're keeping well. A few editors and I have found ourselves trying to repair the Byzantine Empire FA, which has since deteriorated from its 2007 promotion.

Would you have any time/interest in improving its religion section? Your expertise there would be greatly appreciated; at the moment it's chalk full of massive quotes and all over the place. We're trying to keep a close eye on article size, so trimming might be needed (and perhaps warranted, the section is a little unwieldy atm). Best – Aza24 (talk) 04:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)



Of course I will be happy to help in any way I can. I am a bit undependable this summer, going on and off line a lot, but I will make it a point to look at this one. I am pleased at the opportunity to do something for you for a change. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh MY! It is long and rambling, and I feel confident I can cover more in a more chronological fashion in less space. I will certainly give it a go. Give me a couple weeks. Would you like me to post it on the talk page before publication or would you be just as happy if I directly edit? Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to directly edit, whatever's easiest really! Aza24 (talk) 05:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I am already researching and writing in my sandbox. I will also pull what I can from what is already in the article. I will work in my sandbox, and then replace the whole section in the article at once, if that's okay. It's easier to keep up with what's been said and what hasn't that way. I'll get back to you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Understood—Yes, that should work nicely. Thanks again for your help here! Aza24 (talk) 05:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Happy to do it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)


Hey! I hope you don't feel steamrolled at all by this whole process. Your efforts were truly valuable and highly impressive in breadth, speed, coverage and nuance. I fear there are some slightly contradictory views on the ways forward with the article, but everyone just wants to help and I'm very optimistic for it. Did you know that the article has consistently been an FA since 2001? I believe its the oldest continuous FA, so hopefully we can get it in great shape for the next few decades :) – Aza24 (talk) 05:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I expected contradictory views in some areas and had originally simply avoided including those, but some were requested, so I added those back. I hope you are all able to work through those. I assure you what I wrote is current. I have published nothing as of yet, but will work on references. Groan... This gives me hope for History of Christianity, so I'm glad I did it. I'm glad you're glad too! Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)


Okay, I think I am all done with all of it now, if you accept. I hope you are pleased with the result. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)


Question from Wallaby5312 (19:55, 15 August 2024)


Hello, can you please tell me how to upload/submit a "stub" to be reviewed and published.  Thank you! --Wallaby5312 (talk) 19:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)



Help:Your first article Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)


Question from Bomette (14:02, 22 August 2024)


hello!! it's a pleasure for me to have you as my editing mentor ; not that i know you but anyways! i have a simple question how do you make a text blue and link-able (?) I've been struggling for a while now, so I've taken it as a chance to ask you away. Sorry if my question is simple and dumb haha!! --Bomette (talk) 14:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)



Welcome! There are no dumb questions when getting started on Wikipedia. There is so much to learn here. I do recommend that you read as much of the info on the starting page as you can stomach.  A link is easy to make, just put double brackets [ around something. It needs to be on Wikipedia, and it needs to be exactly as it is titled on Wikipedia. If you are using something in a sentence where the title doesn't fit exactly, you can still blue link. For instance, I am writing an article that I want to take FA called the History of Christianity so the WP title is in the first section, divided by an upright | slash, and then what I want to show up is in the second half, all with double brackets around it. Be sure to look at this in edit source so you can see clearly what I did. Have fun! Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)


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Question from Blessing Isoyip on User:Blessing Isoyip/sandbox (02:34, 27 August 2024)


Hello 
HOW DO I SAVE MY EDITS AND CONTINUE ANOTHER TIME? --Blessing Isoyip (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)



Work in your sandbox and just publish. Then when you're satisfied copy and transfer. Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)


Feedback request: Religion and philosophy request for comment


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Question from Nirmalmorya39 (15:40, 30 August 2024)


How i create own biography article ? --Nirmalmorya39 (talk) 15:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)



A biography about yourself?  Are you a notable figure with lots written about you in peer reviewed work? If you can find enough quality references, use those and write according to the rules of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Otherwise, you can't. This is an encyclopedia not Facebook. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)


Question from Bowera18 on Waukegan, Illinois (06:00, 2 September 2024)


Hello, am trying to add Jerry Orbach to the Waukegan page. He graduated from Waukegan highschool. For some reason it’s adding what I entered to Ray Bradbury. --Bowera18 (talk) 06:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)



According to this: [[28]] your edit was reverted. Go ask them why on their talk page. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)


Question from MAYENGO RING (03:34, 7 September 2024)


Hello, how do I type my own biography without necessarily having to edit an existing one --MAYENGO RING (talk) 03:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)



Are you a notable person with enough secondary sources who have written about you to qualify as worthy of an encyclopedia entry?  If not, try Facebook. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)


Question from Abhishek4151 (13:36, 11 September 2024)


Hi published article help --Abhishek4151 (talk) 13:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)



I'm sorry I don't understand the question - is there a question? If what you are looking for is Help:Your first article just click, read and follow. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)


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Question from FilmManiac4343 (13:36, 23 September 2024)


Hi, i'd like to know more about creating wikipedia page --FilmManiac4343 (talk) 13:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)



An article? Your personal page? What kind of page? Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)


September music


story · music · places


My story is about one of the people behind the peaceful revolution, a theologian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)



What a great article. Well done. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - it had many authors, Grimes2 and I just got to it with updates after he died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)


Now we deal with theologian Norbert Lohfink, - any ideas from your side? I wish I could even understand the language of the fellow who praised him on his 90th birthday, let alone say it in English ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I know he is considered one of the influential "new" theologians, but theology is not my thing really.  I am an ethicist with an avocation in history. I generally avoid theology... I can see it's important, but I find theology cryptic, dense, confusing and therefore frustrating. I'm sorry. I would help if I could. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Interesting that 1960s is considered "new" ;) - Anything in English about Jewish-Christian dialogue, which he contributed to, saying "Old Testament" is the same texts for both? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Pretty much anything after 1945 fits into the "new" category. Theology moves by centuries.


There is a lot of Lohfink out there. Since you asked about OT and Jewish-Christian dialogue, I selected these for your viewing pleasure:

  • 1) Lohfink, Gerhard. Does God Need the Church?: Toward a Theology of the People of God. Liturgical Press, 2014; It discusses why God needs a "special people" such as the Jews.
    • 

  • 2) Lohfink, Gerhard. Between Heaven and Earth: New Explorations of Great Biblical Texts Liturgical Press, 2022; confronts skepticism and the power of Jesus
    • 

  • 3) Lohfink, Norbert, and Richard Kugelman. Culture Shock and Theology: A Discussion of Theology as a Cultural and a Sociological Phenomenon Based on the Example of a Deuteronomic Law. Biblical Theology Bulletin 7.1 (1977): 12-22; discusses the connection between Deuteronomy, sociology and theology
    • 

  • 4) Lohfink, Norbert. Reading Deuteronomy 5 as narrative. A God So Near: Essays on Old Testament Theology in Honor of Patrick D. Miller (2003): 261-81;
    • 

  • 5) Lohfink, Norbert, and Erich Zenger. The God of Israel and the Nations: Studies in Isaiah and the Psalms. Liturgical Press, 2000. This last one is specifically about Jewish-Christian dialogue.


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Question from Historysistery (21:51, 26 September 2024)


Are you a real person?  Are you there? --Historysistery (talk) 21:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)



Yes. I am a real person who answered your first message and am now answering this one. Do you not check? Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I am a new user and find this incredibly user unfriendly. Maybe I will get used to it. Historysistery (talk) 11:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

No, you are absolutely right. It doesn't even know what 'friendly' software looks like. It's like the QWERTY board. It's outdated. But so many people were trained on it, and are used to it, that it will never be changed. It takes a good 6 months to a year - depending of course on how much time you spend here and whether you actually read the help pages - to learn all of WP's little quirks and rules and requirements. I have been here for 7 years, on and off, and I am still learning and making mistakes. I ask for help all the time, and so do those who have been here even longer than I have. That's when you realize WP is a community. These are people who care about what they are doing. When that starts to sink in you realize the people and the work are like no place else. That's what keeps us here. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your sympathy and patience! Historysistery (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)


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Question from Historysistery (01:53, 26 September 2024)


Hello there. Can you let me know when my article will be publicly available? Thank you! --Historysistery (talk) 01:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)



Articles are available as soon as they are published. Did you go through the Help:Your first article  process?  Once someone has reviewed and passed your article, it will be published. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Jenhawk can you give me more of an idea of WHEN that will be? Is someone reviewing my article now? Has the review already occurred? If not, when will that occur. I pushed the "publish" button for my article but it does not seem to be publicly available (i.e., I cannot find it via a Wikipedia search). Thanks for your help. Historysistery (talk) 11:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Send me the link and I will check on it. There are so many new articles there is always a backlog for reviewers.  It can take as long as a year. But I will look at it and check for you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Jenhawk. Here is the article/link:  Ellis R. Lippincott Jr.  Historysistery (talk) 21:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

It is still listed as unassisted, but it is also already tagged as needing more references. Fix that and I will see about assessing it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

auto-correct translated to unassisted and I didn't catch it - it's unassessed. No one has passed it yet, that's why it doesn't show up in a search. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)


Some secret history


Church leaders altered the NT so Constantine the Great wouldn't see the truth and become Muslim.[29] Fun stuff. There is an article on this general perspective, taḥrīf. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)



Uhmm - but Constantine lived around 300 and Islam didn't exist till about 600. Is this history according to Dr.Who? Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Details! And within Islam, it is the "eternal" religion, adhered to by Adam, Moses, Jesus and other prophets. Īsā was a Muslim, and Constantine would have been too, if it hadn't been for those meddling church leaders. It stands to reason. Well, theology. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Ha ha!  It IS Dr.Who!  Somehow I don't see either reason or theology involved.  What a hoot!  Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Reminded me of Talk:History_of_Christianity/Archive_4#Origins_of_Christianity. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh my... Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Some humor you probably seen already, but if not:[30][31] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)


And some WP-commentary: Can You Trust Dr. Wikipedia?, a pretty good read. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for that, it was really interesting. I appreciated the awareness of how quickly Wiki changes.  I was looking back over some things I wrote 5 or so years ago and the noted that some of the info is already dated and needs re-editing. I am never going to reach my goal!! :-( Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Speaking of secret history, if you have any comments on my new article Emilia Lanier theory of Shakespeare authorship I'd like to hear them. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I have a hard time taking any of these theories seriously. Sorry. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Excellent. They're nonsense, but they are notable nonsense. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)


Question from Mreu022 (16:58, 30 September 2024)


Hey, I edited a page without having an account but i want my ip adress to be concealed, now i have an account, is there something i can do about this? --Mreu022 (talk) 16:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)



I do not know the answer to that one. Sorry. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)


@Mreu022 See Wikipedia:Oversight. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)


History of Christianity


Hi Jenhawk777. I really am sorry for you that your efforts received such strong responses. At the same time, I'm also at a loss to understand what happened to the article. I took it off my watchlist a long time ago; I don't recall why, but maybe precisely because of all your work on it: too much to keep track.

To give some more impressions of my impressions: where are the Apostolic Age and the ante-Nicene periods? Basic periodisations, disappeared. Why 600 CE, instead of late Antiquity and Early Middle Ages? Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)



Periodization is both flexible and disputed right now, but I figured that, while labels and terms can be, years can't. But I have no strong objection to using them if you think it would make a difference. Please do add whatever you think is proper.


Part of the "strong responses" are my fault. I was so focused on being concise because everyone kept telling me that length would be a problem, that I over-combined and omitted too much in more than one place. Heresy for one. I sacrificed thorough for concise, so I am now going back to thorough.


But not all the comments were accurate in my view. Answers to some of their questions were in the text that followed what they asked about. They skimmed and felt that was sufficient, and it wasn't. I have added a section on women because the comment there was off-base. The comment on typos and grammar was incorrect. I use Grammarly to check my work before publishing so unless the App doesn't work the comment is wrong.


Part of the problem is that individual "experts" want their area to be fully covered, and in a big article like this one, the broad view has to be taken - meaning that everything gets discussed in less detail. What to include detail on and what not to are part of what I have struggled with. What seems less important to a non-expert remains important to an expert.


But they gave me no chance to respond. It failed in about 6 hours without anyone actually reviewing it. That didn't seem right to me.




I am not giving up. I am addressing every comment, and if you feel like doing any more, please do. I reverted some of what you added on Judaism and the Bible because we need to keep the content narrowly focused on topic, but otherwise the additions are good. They add length of course, but at this point, I don't care.


I so appreciate you caring and trying to help.  Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)


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Question from 369mahyaarir (10:42, 9 October 2024)


چگونه یک‌ استناد ایجاد کنم؟ --369mahyaarir (talk) 10:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)



@369mahyaarir See Help:Introduction. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)








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