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No consensus, 8 August 2021, to Scientologist views on homosexuality, see discussion.
Moved, 26 April 2024, from Scientology and sexual orientation to Homosexuality and Scientology, see discussion.

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Zellner, William W. (2007). "Church of Scientology: Social Positions". Extraordinary Groups: An Examination of Unconventional Lifestyles. Worth Publishers. pp. 296–297. ISBN 0716770342. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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Should the page be renamed to Scientology and homosexuality?

The article is actually about homosexuality, not sexual orientation in general. Apokrif (talk) 03:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree: I have reopened this discussion below. Pastelitodepapa (talk) 21:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. It does not appear there is consensus in favor of this move at this time. If anything changes about the article, or if anyone believes they now have consensus on their side, this can easily be brought back to a new RM. (non-admin closure) — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 10:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Scientology and sexual orientation → Scientologist views on homosexuality – Per above, the article is actually about Scientologist views on homosexuality not sexual orientation in general. Also, sometimes WP:AND is necessary in article titles, but in this case it just leads to unnecessary vagueness about the article's actual topic and is inconsistent with other articles on "Religious views on ____". (t · c) buidhe 11:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 18:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Neutral At first I was sceptical. I assumed that the article would cover their views on bisexuality, pansexuality and asexuality as well as homosexuality, thus justifying the current broader title. After checking the article I see that none of those are even mentioned, so I guess I'm neutral on changing "sexual orientation" to "homosexuality" if there really is nothing to say on those other subjects. Replacing "Scientology and" with "Scientologist views on" does seems like a small but worthwhile improvement though. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Scientology and LGBT+ Kate Bornstein has published extensively about being in the church, having periods of practicing various sexual behavior, and doing a gender transition through it. This person talks about how the church reacted to all this. There is the potential to talk about sexuality and gender in addition to just orientation. I recognize that the article does not currently contain content for this, though, and also Bornstein's stories are dated and not a reflection of the church's changes over the decades. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer sticking with a name that accurately reflects the current scope of the article rather than preemptively retitling in anticipation of a possible expansion of scope later down the line. If someone does later want to add content about the church's views on gender identity they may find it makes more sense to do so in a separate article (depending on the degree of overlap in sourcing between the two sub-topics). Colin M (talk) 16:58, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 26 March 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus to move to Scientology and homosexuality (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scientology and sexual orientation → Homosexuality and Scientology

I propose to move this article to Homosexuality and Scientology to better match analogous articles in other religions like Homosexuality and the LDS Church, Catholic Church and homosexuality, Homosexuality and Baptist churches, Jewish views on homosexuality, Christianity and homosexuality, Baháʼí views on homosexuality. This proposed article title better meets WP:TITLE to "precisely identifies the subject; it is short, natural, distinguishable and recognizable; and resembles titles for similar articles", as it centers on the subject of homosexual romantic and sexual behavior and people, and not on theoretical concept of sexual orientation which is also addressed on Scientology and sex. The previous discussion prompted by Apokrif and Shibbolethink three years ago did not reach a consensus. Thoughts on the proposed move anyone?

Should this article be moved to Homosexuality and Scientology as asked above? Pastelitodepapa (talk) 05:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment - You've started an request for comment when you should have started a move request. I'd suggest removing the RfC template and using a RM template. TarnishedPath^talk 07:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as written, however I would support a move to Scientology and homosexuality. Because there are over a dozen articles titled "Scientology and..." and it could be said this is part of a set. I would oppose a move to Homosexuality and Scientology. Also, there is a nuance between the two titles—the former focuses on Scientology's viewpoints toward homosexuality, and the latter sounds like it would focus on the viewpoints of homosexuals towards Scientology. Note that there are already redirects from both titles to this article. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 07:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Would support Grorp's alternative version too. --Andreas JN 466 08:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support and like Andreas would support Grorp's alternative version also. TarnishedPath^talk 08:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as written (invited by the bot) Loses the main definition of what the article is about. But I think that Grorp's rename idea would be fine. North8000 (talk) 13:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as written (bot invite): I don't see a problem. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 14:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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