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Administrators' newsletter – January 2024

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Cheers

Thanks, security upgraded. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Operation Renewed Hope

Saw that you put an orphan tag and self published tag on the page. I'm not a member of the government, so I don't think the self published tag is appropriate, but agree that it lacks sources. If you read the talk page, you'll get a better sense of how long it may be until more sources are generated. I' interested in improving the page, but not sure what can be done. This is a very important operation as it relates to the law enforcement community as it will result in 100s of arrests, but it's still very early.eximo (talk) 08:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jiwhit01: thanks for reaching out. Writing a completely new article is one of the most challenging things in all of Wikipedia. It is also a process of continual improvement, so stick with it.
Neither of those tags is a problem; more like guidance for editors where the article needs work. The "self published tag" was removed (I don't recall whether it was by you), and I replaced it with a "single source". That can obviously be removed when additional sources are added.
The "Orphan" tag simply means that no other articles have links to this one. Wikipedia articles don't stand alone; they link together. So that can't be remedied on this article; it's a matter of identifying other articles that should mention this operation, and updating them to link to it. Once that is done, this tag can be removed, too.
One final comment: it is not necessary to put a ref on every line of sections like "Participating groups...". It is a matter of editor's choice. To make it simpler, and still be clear where the source is, one easy way is just to add a lead sentence along the lines of:
The following organizations are involved in the operation:[ref goes here]
Wikipedia is a collaborative venture, so please feel free to reach out with any questions if I can help.--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
@Gronk Oz:Thanks for the notes and explanation that helps. What to cite and what not to cite is a balance that I personally am working on, but I appreciate the guidance. I'm working an overall project to publish all of the HSI and FBI international operations, but I think some sort of template should be developed for them; there is a common set of information that any reader should/would want to know about an operation. Any interest or do you know who would be interested? eximo (talk) 18:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
@Jiwhit01: that sounds like a very worthwhile exercise. There are certainly groups of editors who have a particular interest, skills, and renounces in areas like this. My first thought was to look for a WikiProject that covered this area, and a good candidate seems to be Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Government. Start by describing your proposal and your work to date on the Talk page, and ask for expressions of interest. If you use a Watchlist, you can add that Talk page to it so you catch the latest. And it is good to "join the project" by adding yourself to the list. I don't know how active that project is, but it is a good place to start and meet other editors with an interest in the topic. If that doesn't pan out, you can use the WikiProjects search box near the top of Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory to find a suitable group. It's not my area of expertise: I am not American, and I don't have much interest in any government (particularly what, to me, is a foreign government). I am happy to advise and help where I can in a general way, but you might find more specific help from the folks in a suitable WikiProject. --Gronk Oz (talk) 23:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
I just noticed that there is also Wikipedia:WikiProject FBI, but it does not appear to be active - it only has one current member. By all means contact them via the WikiProject's Talk page, but I think the broader US Government group might be more help to you. (I could be wrong there, of course - I often am!)--Gronk Oz (talk) 23:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

MOS:LAYOUTWORKS

MOS:LAYOUTWORKS does not say to add "List of" to its recommended headings of "Works" or "Publications". Skyerise (talk) 11:32, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Skyerise: - Okay, I will go along with that. I guess I got misled because that section of the MoS is named "Lists of works".--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Generally, it is a bad idea to go on projects making changes which are only preferred by the MOS. It's a general principle that the original authors of the article choose the referencing style which includes the choice of heading in the end matter. See WP:REFVAR: "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style, merely on the grounds of personal preference or to make it match other articles, without first seeking consensus for the change." Technically, you should be going to the talk page of each article first and asking whether there are any objections to the change and waiting for responses before making the change. Skyerise (talk) 11:43, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
@Skyerise: - Sorry if I am being thick, but I am not clear what you are referring to; you seem to be conflating two different things. I changed the heading "Bibliography" in line with the MoS statement that "Bibliography" is discouraged because it is not clear... So I boldly fixed the problem, as I normally do with problems I see on any article - not all changes need to go to the Talk page first. I accept that it should have been "Publications" without the "List of...". I already apologized for that. If you think there is a reason to go back to the other way, then you're welcome to change it back, or to make the case on the Talk page.
However, I have not changed the citation style of any articles. I often fill in bare URLs, but as it says in the same WP:REFVAR that you refer to above: ...citations in an article consist of bare URLs, or otherwise fail to provide needed bibliographic data – such as the name of the source, the title of the article or web page consulted, the author (if known), the publication date (if known), and the page numbers (where relevant) – then that would not count as a "consistent citation style" and can be changed freely to insert such data. But I have not even done that lately. So I am not clear just what you are referring to, nor what you would like me to do about it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:12, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
I'm just saying that most of the MOS is optional, and that while improving things in articles that you just happen to be editing isn't a problem, many "projects" that editors make up are about things which the MOS does not actually dictate. So going about seeking out "problems" for matters which fall under WP:IAR is frequently discouraged - just as much or more so than using the heading "Bibliography" is discouraged. Two wrongs don't make a right. Skyerise (talk) 12:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
@Skyerise: - it seems we have slightly different interpretations. I try to take the MoS as it is described in its own header: It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply. To me, that reads that it is the preferred, and broadly accepted, style guide. Of course, no such guidelines can cover all situations, but my interpretation is that the MoS should prevail unless there is a reason otherwise. This is how articles across Wikipedia aim to have a consistent presentation for readers, rather than each editor making up their own. But that's me.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Sure, but they are only guidelines, which are allowed to be intentionally ignored; not policies, which may be enforced. Therefore they are subject to an implied consensus of previous editors, which is why it is polite to ask first on the talk page and wait a few days before making the change. It's possible that the former editors of the article used a particular heading on purpose... WP:IAR (ignore all rules) is, some think paradoxically, itself a policy rather than a guideline. Skyerise (talk) 19:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2024).

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  • An RfC about increasing the inactivity requirement for Interface administrators is open for feedback.

Technical news

  • Pages that use the JSON contentmodel will now use tabs instead of spaces for auto-indentation. This will significantly reduce the page size. (T326065)

Arbitration

  • Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee adopted a new enforcement restriction on January 4, 2024, wherein the Committee may apply the 'Reliable source consensus-required restriction' to specified topic areas.
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Your contributed article, Put Libai

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Hello, I noticed that you recently created a new page, Put Libai. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page – Putlibai (dacoit). Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at Putlibai (dacoit). If you have new information to add, you might want to discuss it at the article's talk page.

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@Fram: Thanks for letting me know, but I did not create that article. I did edit it in a minor way; sometimes I use AWB to check new articles, and it made a few improvements to this one. I think I might have then made a couple of changes manually as well, but that is all. And I am not surprised that it was deleted.--Gronk Oz (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2024).

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  • The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. (T353388)

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DYK for James May (vascular surgeon)

On 6 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article James May (vascular surgeon), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that James May led the team that transplanted a patient's right hand onto his left arm? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/James May (vascular surgeon). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, James May (vascular surgeon)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:02, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hook update
Your hook reached 15,840 views (660.0 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of March 2024 – nice work!

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Help with 'orphaned' Wiki Page.

Hello, Gronk Oz. I noticed that you put the page that I created, 'Dennis Loughran', as an orphaned page. I'm trying to make it not an orphan, but I can't seem to get the hang of it. Can you please help? Clay2004 (talk) 16:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @Clay2004: I'm happy to help where I can. First things first - I see that the article has been put back into a draft (Draft:Dennis Loughran) due to the lack of references. You have added some references and submitted again, and that assessment can take a while so keep on improving the article in the meantime. References are all-important, but not just the number of them - focus on good references, in reliable sources, that talk about the subject in depth. As it stands now, whole sections such as "In Hotel Transylvania 2", "In Hotel Transylvania 3", and "Personality and traits" do not cite any sources at all, and that is likely to be a problem when it gets re-assessed. I notice that the articles about the movies have a large number of references, so a good resource for building this article might be to look through those for discussions of Dennis.
The Orphan status is a minor thing that can be addressed quickly once the references are built up and the article is moved out of Draft into Article space. That will just be a matter of editing articles like Hotel Transylvania 2 to include a link to the new article. That article already talks about the character, so it will just take a quick edit to make that into a Wikilink. But it can only happen once the article is promoted to article space. And that can only happen when it has adequate references. You have made a good start on them; keep going just like that for the rest of the article.
I hope this helps; feel free to get back to me if you have any questions.--Gronk Oz (talk) 05:14, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
I messed up the previous attempt to ping @Clay2004:.--Gronk Oz (talk) 05:15, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Gronk Oz. I'm trying to find good sources for those sections. But the sources I could find are for the design and the reception sections. I might need some good suggestions of websites to get some sources from.
If you have good suggestions for websites, let me know. Clay2004 (talk) 12:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
@Clay2004: Sorry, this is not my subject area at all, so I can only offer general advice. I would probably start by looking at the articles like Hotel Transylvania 2 and Hotel Transylvania 3 to find the parts that mention Dennis (or the characters in general), then check the references that are related to those. A bit here, a bit there, and it builds up.
Also, if you go to the brown-ish coloured box at the top of the Draft, and click to expand "Editor resources", it gives several tools to help find sources. Try using those to search for the character name and also for the movie titles. Finally, you can try asking for help - either on the Talk pages of the articles about those movies, or at Wikipedia:WikiProject Animation/Animated films work group - people put in a lot of work finding sources for those other articles and perhaps they have some that could be helpful for you.
You have time; this doesn't have to be done in a day. Best wishes!--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Ok, I will definitely do that. Clay2004 (talk) 13:22, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Westcott Clarke

Hello @Gronk Oz:, could you please review my draft of actor Westcott Clarke I summited some days ago? Byejai (talk) 12:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Byejai: I'm not a new page reviewer, so I can't really help directly. I suggest you contact the editor who looked at it before (Theroadislong), to ask whether it is improved sufficiently - but please be aware that there is a large backlog of submissions for review, so it may take some time.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society

Dear Gronk Oz/Archive 7,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 17:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Please help with the article Moneyview

Hi, thanks for cleaning up the article Moneyview. I've added links to Moneyview in a few relevant places, and I'm hoping I've addressed the WP:O issue. Can you please also help with how I can address the other issues? As I've mentioned on the Talk:Moneyview page, I feel this article satisfies WP:N. I'm hoping you can help me with suggestions on how to take care of WP:NPOV. Shashwat986 → talk 06:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@Shashwat986: Another editor has removed the Orphan tag. If you want to contribute to the Notability discussion, the best way is to list the best three sources. Look for reliable sources that discuss the company in depth. List links to the best three in the discussion at Talk:Moneyview#Article Maintenance Tags: WP:N - Company is notable. This will allow editors to evaluate how good they are.--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2024).

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  • The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. (T313405)

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  • Editors are invited to sign up for The Core Contest, an initiative running from April 15 to May 31, which aims to improve vital and other core articles on Wikipedia.
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Article for George John Seaton

I am Jeorgia O'Brien, the author of the George John Seaton page that you voted to delete. I am reaching out to you so that you may review the new updated article. I am working with Washington University in St. Louis as a student author. Our class if also paired with the Wikipedia Foundation for Education. Our goal is to share the stories of Outcasts who have been forgotten in history. It is important to me that I am able to publish this article so that I can share Seaton's story.

As I have been working on improving the article, there are now over 10 new sources that are all secondary sources and relate to George John Seaton. I have implemented many changes including formatting, word choice, and the removal of any primary source quotes. Please review this article once again. If you have more improvements, you would like me to make, please visit my talk page. I will be happy to continue to make changes. After reviewing the article, if it meets notability requirements then I would love for this article to no longer be flagged for deletion and/or you update the comment you made on the talk page for deletion. I am doing my best to follow Wikipedia's guidelines while also sharing a story of a man who should be remembered.

Best, Jeorgiaobrien (talk) 03:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jeorgiaobrien: - thanks for getting back to me, and especially thanks for taking such a collaborative approach. Wikipedia is by its nature a joint effort, so working with other editors is vital and you are certainly showing a willingness to do that. I see that you have also put this response in the Deletion discussion, so that all the editors can see the update - that is the right way to go about it and I will respond there.
On a personal level, I commiserate with the difficulty that comes from having only sparse supporting documentation - albeit in a slightly different field. In my case, I like to write about people who have made significant scientific contributions. Unfortunately, there has been a culture in the scientific community that actively discouraged people from getting any publicity. This has meant that sometimes people were not considered notable at all, until suddenly they were because they won a Nobel prize or similar. But the people who came second and third that year, who have made contributions of a similar level, still don't get an article. Frustrating. And you will face a very similar difficulty with your aim to "share the stories of Outcasts who have been forgotten in history" - Wikipedia is a place that reflects what has already been written about the subject, so if they are "forgotten in history" then there may be very little to work with.--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I appreciate your help and willingness to respond.
I am thankful people are willing to highlight forgotten names in science. I saw on your home page that you retired from software computing. I am a mechanical engineering major and I also enjoy science and mathematics. As a female in STEM, I greatly sympathize with the women in history who’s contributions to science have never been recorded. In fact, my cat is named Rosalind after Rosalind Franklin. She goes by “Roz” for short. Luckily for Franklin, she was rightfully credited for her discovery after her death.
Again, thank you for getting back to me and continuing to improve the history or scientific figures.
Best Jeorgiaobrien (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello, relatively new to Wikipedia but learning and only getting better. Thank you for your contributions and willingness to help out new users. I would like to ask you a question to understand what a barnstar is and how or why are they given. Many thanks. Articlread (talk) 03:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Articlread - G'day. Editing Wikipedia is often a thankless task, so editors decided it would be good to encourage one another. A "barnstar" is just a positive message - it might be a thanks for something specific, or just a general "well done". They are often formatted with something fun like a picture of a plate of biscuits, etc. If you want to see a small selection, I have saved the ones sent to me at User:Gronk_Oz/Awards#Barnstars,_cookies_etc..
If you want to acknowledge somebody - go ahead! The full instructions at at WP:BARNSTAR, but the simplest version is just to edit that person's User Talk page and add something like {{subst:User Barnstar|reason=for being awesome!}}.
I hope that makes sense - please get back to me if you have any questions. Gronk Oz (talk) 03:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2024).

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readded Joe Roe

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removed GeneralNotability

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  • Partial action blocks are now in effect on the English Wikipedia. This means that administrators have the ability to restrict users from certain actions, including uploading files, moving pages and files, creating new pages, and sending thanks. T280531

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Pinchedloaf

I've seen this before, so I've opened Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kojavak, FYI. Jasper Deng (talk) 07:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jasper Deng: Thanks for that. I have added my two cents' worth there.--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2024).

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removed Dreamy Jazz

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Technical news

  • The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. T43351

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2024

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

UFO 50

Hello! Thanks for making the UFO 50 article! I added some stuff from the draft I made about a month back; I hope you don't mind. Feel free to take a look and change anything that looks off; I'm a complete wikipedia newbie. :)

I know the game list table may seem like too much information, but the truth is us UFO 50 fans have been using it to quickly locate games by genre or multiplayer type, so I humbly request you don't remove it if at all possible.

Thanks again! <3 Weltall Zero (talk) 10:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Weltall Zero. I think you have the wrong person: I did not create that article - that was Gisrhgver. I just made some very minor copy-edits to it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Oh, whoops! Never mind then, sorry about that. :) Weltall Zero (talk) 13:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2024).

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readded Izno

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removed Barkeep49

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  • Global blocks may now target accounts as well as IP's. Administrators may locally unblock when appropriate.
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Heavy L Beatz

I need help with making a Wikipedia page for a producer named Heavy L Beatz. Please reach out to me. When you get the chance. He is a producer from United States, who has worked with a couple of Nigerian & American musicians. Coolkid3318 (talk) 01:22, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Coolkid3318: Thanks for getting in touch. I don't have any particular knowledge about that subject, so I am not sure how I can help. Writing an article from scratch is one of the most challenging things on Wikipedia, and the best advice I can give is to read and re-read the instructions at Help:Your first article. If you have any specific questions, please feel free to ask, or of course you can always go to the Wikipedia:Help desk.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Ok how did you write on Lil Jojo Wikipedia. He is a rapper from Chicago. Coolkid3318 (talk) 23:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
@Coolkid3318: I did not write that article; I just fixed some spelling mistakes there. Just as I have done for thousands of articles, across a very wide range of subjects.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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