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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022

New Page Review queue June 2022

Hello Galobtter,

Backlog status

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000[a] at the end of May.

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.[b]

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

Backlog drive

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.

TIP – New school articles

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.

Misc

There is a new template available, {{NPP backlog}}, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:

Very high unreviewed pages backlog: 12165 articles, as of 18:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC), according to DatBot

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.

Reminders
  • Consider staying informed on project issues by putting the project discussion page on your watchlist.
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  • If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.
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Notes
  1. ^ not including another ~6,000 redirects
  2. ^ The number of weekly reviews reported in the NPP feed includes redirects, which are not included in the backlog we primarily track.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Galobot reports haven't updated

Hi! Just wanted to give you a quick heads-up that the Articles by Lint Errors and Articles by Obsolete Tags reports haven't updated today. Could you look into that? rchard2scout (talk) 12:59, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@Rchard2scout looks like it was just late. Galobtter (pingó mió) 23:01, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox church/denomination description

Template:Infobox church/denomination description has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 07:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2022).

Technical news

  • user_global_editcount is a new variable that can be used in abuse filters to avoid affecting globally active users. (T130439)

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • The New Pages Patrol queue has around 10,000 articles to be reviewed. As all administrators have the patrol right, please consider helping out. The queue is here. For further information on the state of the project, see the latest NPP newsletter.
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Your contributed article, Silicic acids

If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.

You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.

Hello, I noticed that you recently created a new page, Silicic acids. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page – Silicic acid. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at Silicic acid. If you have new information to add, you might want to discuss it at the article's talk page.

If you think the article you created should remain separate, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Additionally if you would like to have someone review articles you create before they go live so they are not nominated for deletion shortly after you post them, allow me to suggest the article creation process and using our search feature to find related information we already have in the encyclopedia. Try not to be discouraged. Wikipedia looks forward to your future contributions. Elizium23 (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2022).

Administrator changes

readded Valereee
removed Anthony Appleyard (deceased) • Capitalistroadster • Samsara

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
  • An RfC has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.

Technical news

  • The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
  • Administrators will now see links on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. (T308570)

Arbitration

  • The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

Miscellaneous

  • You can vote for candidates in the 2022 Board of Trustees elections from 16 August to 30 August. Two community elected seats are up for election.
  • Wikimania 2022 is taking place virtually from 11 August to 14 August. The schedule for wikimania is listed here. There are also a number of in-person events associated with Wikimania around the world.
  • Tech tip: When revision-deleting on desktop, hold ⇧ Shift between clicking two checkboxes to select every box in that range.
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Administrators' newsletter – September 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2022).

Guideline and policy news

  • A discussion is open to define a process by which Vector 2022 can be made the default for all users.
  • An RfC is open to gain consensus on whether Fox News is reliable for science and politics.

Technical news

Arbitration

  • An arbitration case regarding Conduct in deletion-related editing has been closed. The Arbitration Committee passed a remedy as part of the final decision to create a request for comment (RfC) on how to handle mass nominations at Articles for Deletion (AfD).
  • The arbitration case request Jonathunder has been automatically closed after a 6 month suspension of the case.

Miscellaneous

  • The new pages patrol (NPP) team has prepared an appeal to the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) for assistance with addressing Page Curation bugs and requested features. You are encouraged to read the open letter before it is sent, and if you support it, consider signing it. It is not a discussion, just a signature will suffice.
  • Voting for candidates for the Wikimedia Board of Trustees is open until 6 September.
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Administrators' newsletter – October 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The Articles for creation helper script now automatically recognises administrator accounts which means your name does not need to be listed at WP:AFCP to help out. If you wish to help out at AFC, enable AFCH by navigating to Preferences → Gadgets and checking the "Yet Another AfC Helper Script" box.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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Administrators' newsletter – November 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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"Showing how uninteresting I am..."

Your page is actually interesting. I mean, it did give me a few chuckles. Just like felt saying that. If you think you're lazy, know this: I'm far lazier than you (even though I'm obsessed with Wikipedia) because I don't got my laptop right now and going through refs on a phone is often too much of a headache for me. Ever been in this situation as me? Sometimes I'll read Wikipedia for hours and my face'll squeeze into a frown when I haven't found anything that needs editing lol. — Python Drink (talk) 18:40, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Removal of I.P Address on a Website

Hello, Galobtter. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Hi,

My name is Tim, and I just wanted to let you know that recently, I accidentally made an edit on a page describing the Motion Picture Rating System page. The edit that I made is changing the location of the columns of Categories IIA and IIB in the row describing the age rating system for Hong Kong. I would like to have my I.P. address, which is located next to a date saying August 24, 2022, and which begins with 2601:642..., to be deleted. Please send me back a message when you have time.

https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E9%9B%BB%E5%BD%B1%E5%88%86%E7%B4%9A%E5%88%B6%E5%BA%A6&action=history JigSAW43+ (talk) 06:03, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi JigSAW43+. You shouldn't have put that link on here if you really didn't want anyone seeing your IP. The revision is still visible and furthermore, Galobtter can't help you if she's not an admin on the Chinese Wikipedia. Try contacting an admin on there. Best wishes to you. — Python Drink (talk) 18:48, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2022).

CheckUser changes

removed TheresNoTime

Oversight changes

removed TheresNoTime

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • A new preference named "Enable limited width mode" has been added to the Vector 2022 skin. The preference is also shown as a toggle on every page if your monitor is 1600 pixels or wider. When disabled it removes the whitespace added by Vector 2022 on the left and right of the page content. Disabling this preference has the same effect as enabling the wide-vector-2022 gadget. (T319449)

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Category:Portals with short description has been nominated for discussion

Category:Portals with short description has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:03, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 21:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Coffee/Holidays}} to your fellow editors' talk pages.

Administrators' newsletter – January 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • Voting for the Sound Logo has closed and the winner is expected to be announced February to April 2023.
  • Tech tip: You can view information about IP addresses in a centralised location using bullseye which won the Newcomer award in the recent Coolest Tool Awards.
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Administrators' newsletter – February 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2023).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The Vector 2022 skin has become the default for desktop users of the English Wikipedia.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • Voting in the 2023 Steward elections will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
  • Voting in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey will begin on 10 February 2023 and end on 24 February 2023. You can submit, discuss and revise proposals until 6 February 2023.
  • Tech tip: Syntax highlighting is available in both the 2011 and 2017 Wikitext editors. It can help make editing paragraphs with many references or complicated templates easier.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • Voting for the Sound Logo has closed and the winner is expected to be announced February to April 2023.
  • Tech tip: You can view information about IP addresses in a centralised location using bullseye which won the Newcomer award in the recent Coolest Tool Awards.
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Administrators' newsletter – February 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2023).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The Vector 2022 skin has become the default for desktop users of the English Wikipedia.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • Voting in the 2023 Steward elections will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
  • Voting in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey will begin on 10 February 2023 and end on 24 February 2023. You can submit, discuss and revise proposals until 6 February 2023.
  • Tech tip: Syntax highlighting is available in both the 2011 and 2017 Wikitext editors. It can help make editing paragraphs with many references or complicated templates easier.
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Would you be willing to create a parallel Linter error report for "all pages"?

User:Galobot/report/Articles by Lint Errors has been very useful for us to chip away at Linter errors in article space. We have gotten to the point where we are trying to make more progress on pages in other namespaces. Would you be willing and able to create a parallel report, updated daily, that lists the top pages by total Linter error count in all namespaces? There is no need to exclude obsolete tags this time, since we want to work on those too. To be clear: I am not asking for a report for each namespace, just one report that would list pages from every namespace. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:22, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 sure, can do that soon. Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
@Jonesey95  Done, lmk if it looks good. Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:34, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
It looks great, and it looks like it automatically updated today. Thanks for setting this up. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2023).

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Explanation

Relatively new to Wikipedia. Can you help me understand why the draft I had made was "speedily deleted"? Thanks! Bradfordrivera (talk) 03:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bradfordrivera Wikipedia does not allow promotional content, so I deleted the page. Do you have a conflict of interest with the page you created? If so you have to disclose your conflict of interest: see WP:COI. Galobtter (pingó mió) 03:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

CSD U2 tag

Sorry about my U2 tag at Avenglish, that was a misclick and I meant to tag it as U5. Would you opposed to me re-tagging as U5 or could you evaluate the page as if I tagged it with a U5 CSD tag? Hey man im josh (talk) 02:07, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I guessed that might be the case. Another admin might delete as U5, personally to me that feels a little WP:BITEy for such harmless content. Galobtter (pingó mió) 02:09, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

An Australian magpie for you!

The Australian Magpie award for intelligent swooping
We love these smart birds for 11 months of the year, with the exception of September - no, not that September - and also not this series of Magpie September misfortunes - but for this perennial September. User:Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

shortdesc-helper bug

Hi there, I encountered a bug with shortdesc-helper where, if a user manually enters "none" into the text field and submits, the general edit summary is what is used as opposed to the "intentionally blank"-specific one. If you'd like to give WikiUhai access to push a branch to the GitHub repo, I can create a pull request with the fix, otherwise the fix is as simple as changing line 806 of Shortdesc-helper.js to: summaryMsg + ( newDescription.toLowerCase() === 'none' ? '-none' : ),

Uhai (talk) 18:55, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Uhai  Fixed, I did the fix slightly differently to also fix a different issue I noticed with "none" descriptions being added to wikidata. Galobtter (pingó mió) 22:57, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Discussion on the wording of 3RR

Hi. Can you offer your thoughts regarding the question I asked here? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 00:47, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Russian invasion of Ukraine

Hello. I ask you to reconsider your close of Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present)#Requested move 26 February 2023, per the discussion at Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present)#Post-move discussion. Thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:20, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

User keeps adding copyrighted material even after being warned. 1AmNobody24 (talk) 09:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

@1AmNobody24 Handled, thanks. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:24, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

CSS edit request

Would you mind removing the protection template from User:Galobtter/sandbox/Main page/styles.css? With it, the page is added to Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. Thanks! :) ~ Eejit43 (talk) 22:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Eejit43 sure, done. Galobtter (pingó mió) 23:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks so much! ~ Eejit43 (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Revert (00:04, 13 March 2023) of my edit of Stars and planetary systems in fiction. The text was based on wikipedia article Voyage to the End of the Universe. The earliest revision containing this text is dated 2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voyage_to_the_End_of_the_Universe&oldid=344763823). --EdmundSquirrel (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@EdmundSquirrel, okay, I restored your edit. Note however, that when copying within Wikipedia you must attribute your edit, as described in WP:COPYWITHIN. Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:18, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Medibee/sandbox

Hello, Galobtter,

Just a head's up, we routinely delete user pages that are focused on alternative history scenarios like elections that never happened. I was about to delete this page when I saw you had untagged it. But, for some reason, we have quite a few editors who come and spend all of their time on their User pages providing details on elections that never occurred either in the past or into the future. Liz Read! Talk! 06:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Liz sure, feel free to delete it. I personally don't really feel like deleting people's sandboxes for this is helpful, but I suppose the criteria does apply. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Palestinian exodus RM closure

Hey, just a heads up; I'm asking for further explanation of Vanamonde93's MRV close on their talk page. I wouldn't want the streams to cross and make this already complicated RM even more complicated, so could you keep that in mind. :) Sceptre (talk) 13:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Galobtter, any idea of how long you're going to let the above inquiry to last before proceeding with a new close? Not trying to rush you, just looking for an idea of how long this might go on. nableezy - 19:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Nableezy I don't see anything substantive there to make me delay my re-close. I'll finish writing up the close and post it in the next few hours as I planned. Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Good close. —Alalch E. 23:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Horrible close. What you’ve basically done is given a green light to disruptive editors to keep gaming our processes until they get the result they want. The RM should really have been procedurally closed as incredibly disruptive seeing as the previous move review found no consensus to overturn; please reconsider it. Sceptre (talk) 00:46, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I explain here why I don't think the RM was disruptive and why a proper close was needed. Galobtter (pingó mió) 01:01, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
UtherSRG’s analysis was correct, but his result was wrong. For the subsequent closure, I did spend a good amount of time reading through all of the RMs and I still found there was clearly no consensus to move. If there was, after all, we wouldn’t have wasted literal months on the subject!
After MRV2 ended with “no consensus to overturn”, then that should’ve been it. It was patently clear that there was no appetite to drag the matter out for longer, and yet less than an hour after the closure, a new RM was listed without any attempt made to contact either myself or the MRV closer. If that isn’t textbook disruptive editing, then I don’t know what is.
Wikipedia has always had problem with civil disruptive editing, but recent events have seriously taken the cake. What this closure indicates more than anything is that if you disrupt Wikipedia enough, you can eventually get your own way. That’s not really an implication I can let lie without protest.
Additionally, on a point of process, ideally you should’ve waited for the close review to end before closing the RM. Otherwise, if the close review ended up overturning the MRV result to “endorse”, we’d end up with two contradictory RM closes, which nobody wants. Sceptre (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
"If there was, after all, we wouldn’t have wasted literal months on the subject" that's such a weird argument for no consensus that has no basis in policy. It's possible for a discussion to be contentious and be dragged out and still have a consensus. I also don't think whatever disruptive editing you assert has happened, really changed the balance of the policy-based arguments, which is how consensus is determined.
If the discussion at AN overturns the MRV to "endorse", I will undo my close, so there's no issue there. Galobtter (pingó mió) 02:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Good idea. It might help if you mention that at AN. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Starting an RFC about Global Abuse filter opt out

Hi,

I noticed that editors have started replying to your comment about Global abuse filters, and begun voting on it as well.

I think it'll be good for any such discussion to be formalised into an RFC, so we get proper consensus instead of drive-by voting.

Soni (talk) 14:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@Soni Per WP:NOTBURO, I don't think we need a formal RfC, especially when the discussion is pretty one-sided. At most maybe we could add a pointer to this discussion from a wider forum like WP:VPR. Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
@Galobtter Understandable. I'm not fully aware how formally things are done nowadays, so just wanted to make the Ts were dotted/Is were crossed etc. I am used to doing things the long way round just to make sure enough eyes see the important enough things (which from a glance, this seemed to be? I'm trying to read more about this filter but havent been able to understand the implication, hence haven't !voted or discussed). Soni (talk) 20:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I posted to WP:EFN because I felt like the best people to discuss were people familiar with the abusefilters and the implications. If we opt out, then there's no change to anything so it's not a big deal. Opting in would be a big deal, though. Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Looks like Xaosflux already posted on WP:VPR and WP:VPT about this, so that should get a pretty broad audience. Galobtter (pingó mió) 21:12, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Ford Camaro

The vandal named "Mdhejqkdnfiuwnfuiwenhdu" thought the Chevrolet Camaro was a Ford car. However Ford makes the Ford Mustang instead. 85.96.41.255 (talk) 03:00, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Revert at François Hollande

Thank you for this revert at François Hollande. It's worse than that, or at least, potentially worse, and I'm bringing it to ANI after I revert everything this brand new user has done. See my comment at Talk:Charles de Gaulle#Replacement of the entire lead on 6 April by IP user via LLM. Will ping you from ANI (unless you wish not to be). Also, it's late where I am, so if I don't get to it in an hour or so, it won't be today, in which case feel free to write it up; the sooner it's at ANI, the better; this needs community eyeballs ASAP, as this sort of thing is only going to get "worse" (or "better", depending on one's views of AI edits). Mathglot (talk) 05:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@Mathglot yes I myself thought that content was generated by chatgpt/some LLM. Please do report this to ANI. This is why I personally think all LLM stuff should be banned by the community. At least the addition doesn't have citations so it is obvious it should be reverted; I can only wonder what'll happen when LLMs are trained to create cited wiki content.. Galobtter's sock (talk) 05:56, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
I can tell you what happens in that case, but let me get to ANI first. Mathglot (talk) 05:59, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
In brief, Chat GPT is incredibly persuasive in creating references that *look* real. It had me totally fooled, including lots of French titles (which I understand well), scholarly journal articles, and convincing author names for a topic in French literature. Couldn't understand why I couldn't access any of them... and then, finally, the lightbulb came on. This was personally embarrassing, because I'm the go-to person in my circle for finding online hoaxes, spam calls, exploits, you name it, and it totally had me. Remind me not to play poker with Chat GPT. (Hey, I haven't tried that yet; can you lend me a crypto-buck?) Mathglot (talk) 06:56, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Do you have the diff/article for where that edit you mention with references was done? I'd be very curious. Galobtter's sock (talk) 07:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Frederick Mershimer Page

Hello! Thank you so much for taking the time to review our page. We took your comments seriously and really tried to improve the page. I think the mentions of our gallery, Stone + Press, made it look like an advert. Not our intentions, but understand how that would come off that way. We worked very close with Fred Mershimer during his career, so sometimes mention ourselves, but since we are doing this page for Fred and not us, we have taken out every mention of the gallery in a hopes that this helps the issue. Not only did we attack that issue, but we also revamped the page; adding photos, taking out anecdotal stories, and adding more encyclopedia-esque information. We appreciate all the work reviewers do and thank you again for the assistance. We are very active on this page, almost daily, so if there are any issues or concerns (if you happen to look at the page again), feel free to reach out! Eretif (talk) 15:30, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@Eretif who are the "we" you are referring to? Note that user accounts are for a single person - see WP:SHAREDACCOUNT. Galobtter (talk) 17:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
The "we" I am referring to, are my colleagues. While I am the sole user and editor of this account, Earl, I work with a group on the research and archives of prints. Eretif (talk) 17:31, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Your work is genuinely valued

The Technician Barnstar
For your contributions in maintaining and improving edit filters, especially those that assist Oversighters in being most effective. Risker (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
@Risker Thanks! Well I guess we'll have to see if the filter actually ends being able to assist Oversighters, but someone has to try and I hope so! Galobtter (talk) 23:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Inertial Labs

I am curious why our draft of Inertial Labs was removed. I have been tasked with working to create a listing for the company. From what I have seen and been told, a first version was labeled a promising version, the second was accepted, published and looked like it was going to stay that way before some sort of argument broke out among the upwork editor and the admins. Since then, everyone keeps labeling the company as promotion and is deleting everything? I have a list of 50 references and we are scientifically relevant with a several reasons to meet any requirements for public interest wikipedia has.. Can this page be restored so it can be continued to be working on or are we forever targeted due to a previous editor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.119.36.107 (talk) 17:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I left messages here. Galobtter (talk) 19:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Hi, Galobtter, how are you? You might be interested to see this edit from the same /24 as the above. Block evasion by the "previous editor"? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm AGFing that this is a different paid Upwork editor but could be. Galobtter (talk) 20:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Quick note on Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee

Thanks for your edits to Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee.

I get confused by outdents like this. What comment was this in reply to, and can the indentation be fixed? Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 01:23, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the comment was a reply to any comment in particular, but rather a general statement about the topic at hand. Galobtter (talk) 02:07, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Procedural notification

Hi, I and others have proposed additional options at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC_on_a_procedural_community_desysop. You may wish to review your position in that RfC. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:22, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from Raj sahu z (02:13, 24 April 2023)

Can you please this page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhilwara# --Raj sahu z (talk) 02:13, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Raj sahu z Hi, I fixed the formatting issues on the page. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Galobtter (talk) 02:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Thank yo so much. Raj sahu z (talk) 02:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Stripped div tags

Your changes this morning to MediaWiki:Titleblacklist-autoconfirmed-warning and MediaWiki:Titleblacklist-warning are resulting in stripped div tags on both. Zinnober9 (talk) 15:24, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't remove the closing div. Galobtter (talk) 19:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from Renaeystrat (15:59, 23 April 2023)

Hello i just created my first article and submitted it for review. It was instantly declined. It said that "my references do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Maybe you could read it and tell me your suggestions please? I knew that I wouldnt make it with my first try. --Rena (talk) 15:59, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Renaeystrat Hi, Wikipedia as an encyclopedia has certain inclusion requirements for an article, which are described by that quotation. I looked at Draft:George Kotsimpos and I agree with the decline. Looking at the sources, e.g. keeptalkinggreece.com is a blog, so it is not a reliable source. I would focus on looking for additional reliable sources with significant coverage as mentioned, and if they don't exist, it might be the case that unfortunately he's not notable so an article cannot be created on him. Galobtter (talk) 02:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the reply. There are numerous references from new sites but most of them are in greek language. Are refrences in another language acceptable? Rena (talk) 06:33, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
@Renaeystrat Definitely. See WP:RSUE for more information on use of non-English sources but they can definitely be used for notability. Galobtter (talk) 06:40, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks again for your quick answer. I added many citations as prompted. I used reliable sources such as news sites. I even added TV interviews and a short documentary as external links. Whenever you find the time will you take a look at my article again? Am I on the right path? Rena (talk) 09:55, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
You are definitely on the right path. I would say just make sure the sources you have are reliable since some look like blogs/otherwise unreliable. Galobtter (talk) 21:41, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. I have done some editing. If you care to take a look to tell me me if my citations look sufficient to you? If you also have any furthers suggestions please do tell me. If you also think that the draft is not worth it please be frank i can take it. Rena (talk) 20:30, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
I don't have the time to look at the draft but I definitely think there's potential here. Galobtter (talk) 22:30, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
You have been very helpful already and I thank you for that. One last question if I may. Some news tv shows(from reliable nationwide tv channels) post their various videos on their official account in facebook. Are the links to those videos considered valid citations? (Because they are in facebook I mean) Rena (talk) 09:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Those sources are probably fine. Galobtter (talk) 03:45, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Question from Raj sahu z (15:11, 2 May 2023)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-MrOllie-20230502150500-Raj_sahu_z

Please help me with this problem which was started with the philanthropy page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philanthropy&action=history

and here are some chats between us https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Raj_sahu_z

what should I do? please help --Raj sahu z (talk) 15:11, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2023).

Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment about removing administrative privileges in specified situations is open for feedback.

Technical news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Asking for topic ban narrowing

Hello. I would like to inform you that I followed options for appeal and asked to narrow topic ban here. Interfase (talk) 16:39, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Re: ANI post

Hi, thank you for your recent ANI report and for realizing its severity when I hadn't full grasped its severity and amount of other disruption. Skynxnex (talk) 21:10, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Coord/sandbox doesn't work on mobile wikipedia app?

For fun, I tried looking at Template:Coord/sandbox on the Wikipedia app on an Android phone, and it looks busted --- it only shows the entire globe, not the correct zoom level at all. Is this just me? Do you have a phone with the Wikipedia app handy? — hike395 (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I checked User:Galobtter/sandbox on an iPhone and it showed the correct zoom level. Galobtter (talk) 18:20, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
User:Galobtter/sandbox2 and User:Hike395/sandbox3 both look fine on Chrome on Android, on Safari on iPad, and on the Wikipedia app on iPad. It's the Android Wikipedia app that appears to be messed up. This may just be a bug in the Android app that we can't do anything about. — hike395 (talk) 13:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
@Dmitry Brant: I may have found a bug in the Android app, please see the two sandbox links immediately above which attempt to create full-screen Kartographer maps. — hike395 (talk) 13:57, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
You can also check phab to see if there's a bug report for this otherwise you can report it. Galobtter (talk) 18:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:06, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I urge you to restart your petition, with my support this time?

Hi, I feel that you severely misrepresented my position in your petition and wrote it in a contentious way that seems likely to generate ill will and conflict where there is none. I urge you to retract it and start over - with my support.

My position is very clear in the full discussion that you selectively quoted from: I support changing our arrangements so that my role as a "safety valve" is much more clearly defined and circumscribed. Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:37, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Ping Extraordinary Writ since it is equally their petition. I will reply at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy/Petition (May 2023)#Discussion. Galobtter (talk) 20:42, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Iampoo874533144

Hi Galobtter. You recently indef-blocked the vandal-only account User:Iampoo874533144. It looks like they're back at User:Hellobuddy123456789l9l9o also vandalising Axl Rose with basically the same vandalism. Grachester (talk) 05:30, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, Girth Summit got there before I even finished that message. Best, Grachester (talk) 05:31, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Example of village pump

FYI, having a live example on the VPP is particularly bad, as that page is very large to begin with. Even saving a new comment requires multiple seconds which already indicates a problem with the page. It's not surprising that some low end browsers will crash if you then also want to open a map. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe not the best idea. I did test various pages on my Safari on Iphone 13 pro, and while it never crashed, it usually was blank/broken even on small pages like User:Galobtter/sandbox2 when viewing on desktop view, at least when zoomed in even slightly. Galobtter (talk) 09:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Offline

I was offline at the time of the warnings. Salandarianflag (talk) 00:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Also I only saw the notification that he would report me which is how I found my way there but at 3pm I was not online. Salandarianflag (talk) 00:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
So please don’t dismiss it as obviously false since I was offline then. Salandarianflag (talk) 00:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

May I plead that the topic ban last one week, I would like another chance after that especially as this was my first run in with 1RR and for the past two years my edits until now have not been in violation of it? Salandarianflag (talk) 00:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Or at the least will you review the ban after one week, and decide on giving me a second chance? Salandarianflag (talk) 00:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Sorry no. Galobtter (talk) 00:24, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
But aren’t you the arbitrating administrator it says on the page to contact them to see if they can reverse it? Salandarianflag (talk) 00:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Sure, you are right to contact me. I am just declining to reverse it because there are too many issues with your editing to allow you edit in such a contentious topic area. Galobtter (talk) 00:27, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Ok but if I get back to you let’s say in a month or two would you be willing to review your decision, if you see my edits have been constructive? Salandarianflag (talk) 00:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
A month or two is not enough. As I said on your talk page, you should do 6 months of constructive editing before appealing. You should also need to show an understanding of why you were topic banned before you can be unbanned. Galobtter (talk) 00:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Also can I make edits regarding Israel generally that are not in the Arab-Israeli conflict area such as the Tel Aviv Light Rail, or does Israel also apply under this? Salandarianflag (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Referendum live

Hi Galobtter,

Firstly, I just wanted to pass my apologies on for duplicating effort and standing a new amendment page - I missed yours until I'd already created it. My thanks for adding the content from it.

I've just made the referendum live, here. I've also listed at the desired locations, but could use another pair of eyes to confirm that. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:22, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Nosebagbear No problem - I hadn't mentioned I had drafted the amendment page anywhere, so there was no way for you to know. I think you got to everything - I've been pretty busy, so thanks for getting this process going! Galobtter (talk) 18:16, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

G2N Biography

AGBO PETER OWOICHO also known as G2N, as his stage name. is an afropop, Rnb and hip hop artist, he is a songwriter, a singer and a Rapper, Base in Nigeria. Newsblaster (talk) 00:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Please see WP:YFA if you want to write an article about this person. Galobtter (talk) 02:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Let me revert this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1155405415 This edit here along with the other 2 have been made by non Wikipedia editors ie anonymous people with a clearly anti-Israel bias, I’m not sure how reverting bias is in contrast to a blocking policy, surely reverting bias like this is fair since this is a greater violation. (Also since the topic ban, I haven’t interfered with Wikipedia users edits and have stayed away from controversial topics, but for controversial topics to make it onto things that shouldn’t be controversial such as the economy in general because non-Wikipedia users are editing it, is unacceptable even by Wikipedia’s rules) Am I not allowed to revert edits made by non Wikipedia editors which as you can see are clearly biased and don’t need explaining to see why they are biased?Salandarianflag (talk) 12:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

How would it be that some editor can put in pure anti-Israel bias and I am forbidden from reverting to it, does doesn’t [sic] violate the topic ban as it isn’t about the wider Arab-Israeli conflict but is just plainly biased? Why is it fair that I would get a block when this edit and the last are constructive to just revert plain bias? Also it has stood for quite a while and no one else has reverted it, you’re not going to tell me that I’m worse for reverting clearly biased edits, which just attack Israel in general without any basis and are not related to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Salandarianflag (talk) 12:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Please just let me revert this user’s edits you know they have no basis and are just there to attack Israel. Salandarianflag (talk) 12:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
No, there are no exceptions to the WP:TBAN, whether your edits are constructive or not. Just stay away from the topic area. Galobtter (talk) 00:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Can you revert it then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1155405415 since it is pure bias. Salandarianflag (talk) 09:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
No, you can't ask someone else to violate the ban for you. Galobtter (talk) 16:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
I mean I’m not doing it for my sake but that edit contained things not inline with Wikipedia’s standard of editing either, surely you reverting it would not violate any ban since the edit contained un-Wikipedia language, does that mean that it would rather be better to have Wikipedia have biased information than to revert it for the fear that reverting it would mean that consequences will also be placed on your they users for doing so. Salandarianflag (talk) 21:26, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
No, the point is that you should not be participating in editing about this topic area. There are many other editors who look at these pages and will revert edits as needed. Galobtter (talk) 23:10, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Alright, I see. Salandarianflag (talk) 11:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Salandarianflag, this has become disruptive. Your question has been asked (multiple times) and answered. You cannot make the edit, ask anyone else to make the edit, or further discuss the edit. If you do you will be blocked. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Alright I shall cease and desist from the topic. Salandarianflag (talk) 11:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2023).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, editors indefinitely site-banned by community consensus will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
  • As a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's IP Masking project, a new policy has been created that governs the access to temporary account IP addresses. An associated FAQ has been created and individual communities can increase the requirements to view temporary account IP addresses.

Technical news

  • Bot operators and tool maintainers should schedule time in the coming months to test and update their tools for the effects of IP masking. IP masking will not be deployed to any content wiki until at least October 2023 and is unlikely to be deployed to the English Wikipedia until some time in 2024.

Arbitration

  • The arbitration case World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.

Miscellaneous

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Shortdesc helper

Not sure if this is a me thing, but the shortdesc helper seems to be missing its CSS and just shows up as an actual line now. Not sure if this is an issue or a change. Dawnbails (talk) 21:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Jz19770 on Wikipedia:Be bold (20:14, 22 June 2023)

Ok --Ok (talk) 20:14, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Hampsterdk (11:48, 22 June 2023)

I would like to create a page for our company, in both 'Danish and English. Is that allowed with a new account? And if not, what would the requirements be.

I would also like to edit or add infomation missing on danish pages, where the english version has substantially more info. --Hampsterdk (talk) 11:48, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I can't speak to the rules on the Danish wikipedia. You will have to ask there. For here, please see WP:PAID and WP:COI for info on the process. In short to create an article on your company you will need to get it reviewed by someone else at WP:AFC and disclose your connection. Galobtter (talk) 21:59, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2023).

Administrator changes

added Novem Linguae
removed

Bureaucrat changes

removed MBisanz

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Arbitration

  • Two arbitration cases are currently open. Proposed decisions are expected 5 July 2023 for the Scottywong case and 9 July 2023 for the AlisonW case.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Inquiry

Hello Galobtter. If possible, could you comment on this [1] as the blocking admin? The user not only doesn't acknowledge any violations despite clear evidence, but casts WP:ASPERSIONS [2] and engages to what seems to be trolling (+ more aspersions) at this point, see full discussion on talk. Also despite the discussion, they've violated the tban again by creating an entire article Sayyad Dadashov – I think this user is either trolling or extremely incompetent. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 20:05, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for commenting on the issue. I understand and tbh, I'm busy myself. When possible, could you just glance over the diffs I presented? It's relatively straight forward, just blatant violations - similarly to how they created entire articles violating their tban even after all the recent talk: Sayyad Dadashov, Khayal Aliyev, and violated the tban again by editing more of AA [3], [4]. I would appreciate not spending time on an AE report since I believe this is a pretty straight forward situation. Thanks again. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 09:08, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Regressive left for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Regressive left is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Regressive left until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Simonm223 (talk) 15:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Waxon1965 on Fender Lead Series (20:33, 8 July 2023)

Hi,

Can I add a photo directly from my phone?

Thanks, Chris --Waxon1965 (talk) 20:33, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, you need to first upload the photo through c:Special:UploadWizard and then you can add the image to the article. Galobtter (talk) 20:54, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:All Wikipedia vital articles in Physics

A tag has been placed on Category:All Wikipedia vital articles in Physics indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 01:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2023).

Administrator changes

added Firefangledfeathers
removed

Interface administrator changes

added Novem Linguae

Technical news

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Solomon Thang (15:48, 9 August 2023)

hi, i do not found an article about a missionary Carson and Laura who changed the Hakha Chin tribe into christianity in the Wikipedia. Can some one compile about them....??? --Solomon Thang (talk) 15:48, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Articles are only written about notable people. If you think these people are notable you can suggest an article be created at requested articles. Galobtter (talk) 23:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Template talk:Infobox settlement

Hi @Galobtter! I see that you're busy in real life so I just wanted to leave this comment here for whenever you can get to it, but I noticed an error in the Infobox settlement template that I wasn't able to resolve myself. The autogenerated infoboxes for Brazilian municipalities incorrectly use the region instead of the state, which leads to some jarring results, and I wanted to see if you could fix that. Here's the link to the thread. Thank you! BaduFerreira (talk) BaduFerreira (talk) 14:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

LTA abuse filter

Hi, I saw your name as a contributor to one of the Slowking4 abuse filters. I think something similar might help with another LTA: WP:LTA/UAK. I don't have all the current IPs but maybe that's not too big a hurdle, we could maybe start with 186.105.128.0/18. They do seem to have persistent targets/themes that we could create a filter around. If you could consider the feasibility and let me know if you think it would be worth someone's effort, it might be helpful. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:47, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi I'm pretty busy so can't help but I would contact the mailing list (WP:EFMAILING) about it. Whether it'd be worth it depends on how many edits are made and how widespread they are. Galobtter (talk) 04:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Fedeloz19 (03:24, 17 August 2023)

How do i make 10 edits that can help me be able to create my own wiki page? --Fedeloz19 (talk) 03:24, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Help:Introduction to Wikipedia has suggestions for ways to edit Wikipedia. Galobtter (talk) 04:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
  • A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that [s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment.

Technical news

Arbitration

  • The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged to note when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful.

Miscellaneous

  • Tech tip: The "Browse history interactively" banner shown at the top of Special:Diff can be used to easily look through a history, assemble composite diffs, or find out what archive something wound up in.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:21, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles. I saw that you participated in a discussion on a similar topic. Sunnya343 (talk) 18:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:Ds/aware

Module:Ds/aware has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 11:19, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 26 § Category:Wikipedia XX-Class level-n vital articles

A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 26 § Category:Wikipedia XX-Class level-n vital articles on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Qwerfjkltalk 14:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

∞ ≈ 5.0505 years

Math checks out. :D

(I know what you mean, just a funny thought.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 19:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Haha. I'm sure there's a field in which that is true.
Though this actually makes me think if we should just automatically convert indefinite IP blocks into like 5 or 10 year blocks. Galobtter (talk) 21:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Drafts and quantity over quality

As I see it being forced to use AFC, and in particular without being allowed to use Japanese sources, actually forced me to favour quantity over quality.


The reasoning comes from a few things

  1. I’m rather limited in what I actually can improve. Previously due to a ui quirk I’d often be rather hasty with translations since I wanted to avoid issues that way. When something was a draft I’d put a lot more effort into translation accuracy. I could see myself spending a very long time on a single draft if I was allowed to use the sources and methods I wanted.
  2. Draft feedback tends to work by a reviewer rejecting it after 4 months with a single sentence comment, I fix whatever the comment was and then it gets rejected again 4 months later with no acknowledgment of the improvement. This encourages me to put little effort into my drafts and just marginally improve them and submit them.
  3. I don’t have much consequences good or bad for quality. Great drafts get rejected, bad ones also get rejected. The process is pretty random and it always takes 4 months. This is actually very different from NPP in which I get a months long punishment for a bad page. It would be even more so if I was really in a position where I felt the need to prove I could make good articles while using translation or ai tools.


I think this about sums up my perspective on the situation. I think if I was allowed to use translation or ai tools in drafts though afc might serve its actual purpose of encouraging quality, that’s why in my proposed looser restrictions I still need to use AFC for several months.


If I was given a chance to prove myself I’d take it, but I feel my restrictions rendered me unable to attempt to prove myself. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 01:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

The point of the restriction is that you don't seem to know enough Japanese to use the translation/AI tools properly. There are many ways you can demonstrate quality editing to have the restrictions appealed (e.g. edit existing articles, which you are not barred from doing at all, or create drafts in other topic areas). Galobtter (talk) 01:57, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
@Galobtter I disagree with that assessment. I believe that I have the required knowledge to use them correctly and I want to try to prove it by making drafts and working on them. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 02:13, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
That's the community's assessment which is why the community supported those restrictions against you. You can disagree with the community, but you need them to change their mind for the restrictions to be lifted, and the best way to do so is to do good editing while complying with the restrictions. To answer your original question, you can appeal restrictions at WP:AN, per WP:BANAPPEAL, but I would strongly, strongly recommend against doing so at this time. As you can see by the current ANI against you, and people's comments at the teahouse, people aren't exactly happy with your editing even with the restrictions, so why would they support removing them? Galobtter (talk) 02:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
I will say that I feel people were more on my side at the ANI than I had thought. Only one person seemed really against me there. Teahouse was surprisingly more hostile really. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 02:50, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Clarification request at WP:ARCA: EC protection of Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war

Hello Galobtter,

There is currently a clarification request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment § Clarification request: EC protection of Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war regarding the recent AE decision to protect the page Talk:2023 Israel-Hamas war.

For the Arbitration Committee,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Editing restriction violation

I bet you're tired of hearing about this stuff by now, and part of that is my fault, so apologies on that score. But for the record: One of Immanuelle's editing restrictions clearly says Immanuelle must not merge content into other articles as a response to having a draft declined. Immanuelle submitted Draft:Organic Solidarity on 15 July 2023, and it was declined most recently on 11 August 2023. Despite the clear editing restriction in place, they just merged that declined draft content into the article Mechanical and organic solidarity. I have reverted the merge, not because of the editing restriction violation, but because the merged content was a jumbled mess that should not be in mainspace (ie it was rightly declined as a draft). So content-wise, we're fine now. I am just making the shrug emoji in real life, is all. Indignant Flamingo (talk) 20:34, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I thought the decline said it was because it was a neologism. So a merge into an existing article was fine. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 20:37, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
As about half of my draft declines have an ask to merge into an existing article, and I had an admin very early on say something to the contrary this has been a point of confusion for me.
I definitely think the theoretical background and criticisms sections are lacking from that main article Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 20:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Neologisms are not considered suitable for Wikipedia unless they receive substantial use and press coverage; this requires strong evidence in independent, reliable, published sources. Links to sites specifically intended to promote the neologism itself do not establish its notability.

was the response so it is clearly about notability not about the article being badImmanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 20:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)}}
I blocked for 24h. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
@Indignant Flamingo I might not always have time to respond but always feel free to report violations of restrictions to the imposing admin/ANI. @Firefangledfeathers thanks. @Immanuelle No matter what anyone says you cannot violate your restrictions. If you are confused about them, feel free to ask me for clarification. Galobtter (talk) 00:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Arbitration committee history

In 2018, an arbitrator resigned after the rest of the committee expressed concerns about breaches of CheckUser policy and confidentiality. isaacl (talk) 05:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that case because it prompted amending ARBCOND because it was deemed too hard to actually remove an arb. Galobtter (talk) 13:35, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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"Self Revert"

I'm still a bit confused by what happened with that Arbitration Enforcement thing. Irtapil (talk) 21:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

  • I'm confused by the concept of "self reverts" . What are they for?
  • If the other editor didn't like how I'd modified a page, why didn't they just change it to the way they thought it should be?
  • Self reverts don't count as reverts? That much I've got so far. So if I notice my own error then I fix it myself, and then whatever I did wrong doesn't count?
  • But if somebody else noticed my error, wouldn't it be quicker and more efficient for them to fix it themself? Is it about not getting in trouble? But then why not just do a warning and apology?
  • What is the purpose of me don't the revert myself?
  • If I'm not confident I understand what they want, is it good enough to just give them permission to do it themselves? Because if I knew an edit I made was objectionable, then I obviously would have fixed it myself already.

Irtapil (talk) 21:34, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

If the other editor didn't like how I'd modified a page, why didn't they just change it to the way they thought it should be? Partially because they didn't want to use their 1 revert to do so and to let you correct your own error (that's what a self-revert is for).
So if I notice my own error then I fix it myself, and then whatever I did wrong doesn't count? Not necessarily, but if you make an unintentional violation it's usually not an issue if you self-revert. (But you still are expected to be careful.)
What is the purpose of me don't the revert myself? To show that you that you are fixing any issues you may have made.
is it good enough to just give them permission to do it themselves Generally it's better to show that you understand the issue and correct the issue yourself. Galobtter (talk) 23:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Bon Courage and JPS

With all respect, you should not have closed that discussion. You are far too involved with political topics to be an unbiased closer. Anyone who looks at your editing history can see what I am talking about. 2603:8002:73F:1FCF:D1B2:FA93:BA56:B7F0 (talk) 22:49, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Topic ban lifling

Good day, Galobtter. More than half a year passed since my topic ban by you on pages about Armenia, Azerbaijan, and related ethnic conflicts and I tried to follow it. I would like to ask you to lift this topic ban. I will not participate in edit warring and will try to solve any disputes on talk pages. Interfase (talk) 12:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

You need to show good editing outside of the topic area - not just a lack of editing - to get the topic ban lifted. Almost all of your very few edits since the topic ban have been topic ban violations too, and your last violation was less than 3 months ago. Galobtter (talk) 15:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

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