Jump to content

User talk:Gadget850/Archive 2015

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Template:Edit refs

Hey Gadget. Your edits break the template's functionality. If you can think of a way to change it that doesn't do so I'm game, but replacing the hardcoded spacing with colons doesn't work because that makes it so that the spacing will only work as intended if there is no indentation when first posted, when it will usually be used as a first response to a help forum post and will thus be posted with one colon indentation. If used with any other level of indents it gets progressively worse, a la, here's what it will look like with four colons at the start:

When you are reading an article and see a references section near the bottom populated by a series of numbered citations, you might think that if you edit the page, you will see those citations typed in that section and be able to edit them. However, normally what you will see is code similar to this:
==References==
{{reflist}} or <references />

The text of citations is actually in the body of the article, directly next to statements or paragraphs the citations support, using <ref>...</ref> tags, which display as Footnotes (e.g.[1][2]) when you are reading an article. The template code shown above in the references section collates and displays all of the citations within the article in a numbered list in which the numbers correspond to the footnote numbers in the text. By clicking on the ^ symbol next to a citation display, you can easily find exactly where in the body of the article the citation text appears in order to edit it. For more, please see Help:Referencing for beginners.

--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:32, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. It was actually the <p> and it made no sense to me why the template was using it (but I have seen a lot of oddball markup). Added a comment so follow on editors will understand the use. --  Gadget850 talk 22:58, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 December 2014

History of Armenia

I had to remove the changes that were made by a banned user (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Beh-nam/Archive 94.210.203.230). You can do your AWB fixes again if you want to. Oh and Happy New Year! Bladesmulti (talk) 22:52, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Tasmania (Scouts Australia).png

⚠
⚠

Thanks for uploading File:Tasmania (Scouts Australia).png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 21:43, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 07 January 2015

Broken template

Your edit to Template:Quote broke the template. Please self-revert and use the sandbox for further tests.
Thanks. —Telpardec  TALK  13:01, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

If you’re right, this should work

Markup Renders as 
{{sectionlink||administrator-icon}}

Please fix my code so that it links to User:Gadget850#administrator-icon without explicitly using your username. (Your userpage doesn’t have any sections, so I grabbed an HTML id= from the source.) —174.141.182.82 (talk) 13:45, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I think you are trying to link to the top? Every page has top and footer links.
Markup Renders as 
{{section link||top}}

--  Gadget850 talk 14:16, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

To any anchor on your userpage (not this Talk page). {{sectionlink}} did this. What else does? —174.141.182.82 (talk) 14:22, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
None. See my post on WP:VPT on why this is a bad idea. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 14:26, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
I never used {{sectionlink}} so I'm not familiar with it; I just follow TfD and saw it there. What is your basic need? Surely this is not onerous?
IP want easy linking from any talk page to a section on the non-talk page, wihtout having to specify that page. The old template apparently did this, but was rather a misnomer. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 14:41, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Markup Renders as 
{{section link|User:Gadget850|top}}

--  Gadget850 talk 14:33, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

without explicitly using your username. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 15:08, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Nope. Can't help. --  Gadget850 talk 15:11, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Scouting in New York

I don't think you removed all of the infobox that contains the images...Naraht (talk) 14:05, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

That was an over reaction. I restored all the free images. Please go back and remove only the non-free red links. --evrik (talk) 18:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

A bot will fix it presently. We never win, so discussion is futile and frustrating. I no longer upload new images and have not done so in over a year. --  Gadget850 talk 18:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-03

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

  • Rotated PDF files in landscape format used to show too small. They will now display correctly. You may need to purge older files. [1]
  • You can now use the {{!}} magic word instead of Template:!. Many wikis used the template to create a pipe (|) in tables and templates. You can delete the template. [2]

Software changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf14) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since January 7. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from January 13. It will be on all Wikipedias from January 14 (calendar).
  • A bug in VisualEditor sometimes added a ☀ (Sun) character. This is now fixed. [3]
  • The search and replace tool in VisualEditor is now much faster in long pages. [4]
  • The TemplateData editor now uses the same design as VisualEditor. [5] [6] [7]
  • The thumb option is now shown in your language in the help of the classic editor toolbar. [8]

Future changes

  • You can sign up to answer questions from designers. It will help them make editing easier. [9]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

16:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)


why?

Why did you remove from the article and then delete it as unused? That looks very shady...--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:15, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Non-free content review/Archive 58#File:Union Internationale des Guides et Scouts d'Europe.svg. Resistance is futile. --  Gadget850 talk 11:25, 16 January 2015 (UTC) Image free for 11 years, 7 months.

The Signpost: 14 January 2015

Tech News: 2015-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can download the new version of the Wikipedia app for Android. The new version shows lead images, better galleries and content from Wikidata. It also has many other new features.[10] [11]
  • Programs and bots still can't read information about images on many wikis. You can see the list of wikis with the most files to fix. Wikipedia in Italian, Indonesian and Japanese language have the most files to fix. On the biggest wikis you should use bots. Bots can add information templates to groups of files. You can ask other tech users to help you.

Problems

  • All JavaScript on Commons was broken for a few minutes on Tuesday. It was because of old code in the HotCat tool. The same problem happened on some Wikipedias on Wednesday. It is now fixed. [12]

Software changes this week

  • There are no software changes this week and next week due to annual meetings. [13]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

18:13, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 21 January 2015

DYK for Karolina Olsson

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:45, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Arrow of Light.png

⚠
⚠

Thanks for uploading File:Arrow of Light.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 23:24, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CVI, January 2015

Full front page of The Bugle
Your Military History Newsletter

The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here.
If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 13:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Template_talk:Infobox_military_person#Rank.2FRate

Hi Gadget850. I've started a new section at Template_talk:Infobox_military_person#Rank.2FRate. I thought that as the last person to edit that template you might be interested in the discussion.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  06:04, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-05

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

This week

  • There are no software changes this week due to annual meetings. [15]

Future changes

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

16:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 26 January

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. It is as follows:

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:26, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 January 2015

List of Chinese teas

My apologies for inadvertently removing your edit along with spam. Cheers Theroadislong (talk) 13:50, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

No worries. --  Gadget850 talk 14:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 1 February

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. It is as follows:

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:24, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Museum hacks and museum edits

Hello there!

Upcoming events:

  • February 6–8: The third annual ArtBytes Hackathon at the Walters Art Museum! This year Wikimedia DC is partnering with the Walters for a hack-a-thon at the intersection of art and technology, and I would like to see Wikimedia well represented.
  • February 11: The monthly WikiSalon, same place as usual. RSVP on Meetup or just show up!
  • February 15: Wiki Loves Small Museums in Ocean City. Mary Mark Ockerbloom, with support from Wikimedia DC, will be leading a workshop at the Small Museum Association Conference on how they can contribute to Wikipedia. Tons of representatives from GLAM institutions will be present, and we are looking for volunteers. If you would like to help out, check out "Information for Volunteers".

I am also pleased to announce events for Wikimedia DC Black History Month with Howard University and NPR. Details on those events soon.

If you have any questions or have any requests, please email me at james.hare@wikimediadc.org.

See you there! – James Hare

(To unsubscribe, remove your username here.) 03:11, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-06

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • There was a security issue on Wikimedia Labs. Many Labs tools were down after the issue was fixed. [18]

Software changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since January 14. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from February 3. It will be on all Wikipedias from February 4 (calendar).
  • The "Save page" button in the VisualEditor toolbar is now blue rather than green. This is the same as on the mobile site. [19]
  • You can now edit pages on the draft namespace with VisualEditor on the Russian Wikipedia and Hebrew Wikipedia. You can ask to get VisualEditor for a namespace on your wiki. When your community agrees, ask in Phabricator. [20] [21]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

16:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 February 2015

Wikimedia DC celebrates Black History Month, and more!

Hello again!

Not even a week ago I sent out a message talking about upcoming events in DC. Guess what? There are more events coming up in February.

First, as a reminder, there is a WikiSalon on February 11 (RSVP here or just show up) and Wiki Loves Small Museums at the Small Museum Association Conference on February 15 (more information here).

Now, I am very pleased to announce:

There is going to be a lot going on, and I hope you can come to some of the events!

If you have any questions or need any special accommodations, please let me know.


Regards,

James Hare


(To unsubscribe, remove your username here.) 18:20, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-07

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

Problems

  • MediaWiki was reverted to the previous version on February 4. It was because of a performance issue. It was restored later. [23]
  • UploadWizard was broken on February 4 because of the revert of MediaWiki. [24]
  • All sites were broken for 30 minutes on February 5. It was due to a network problem. [25]

Software changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since February 5. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from February 10. It will be on all Wikipedias from February 11 (calendar).
  • You can have one user page for all wikis. Your Meta user page will show if you don't have a user page on a wiki. You can test this tool on test wikis. [26] [27] [28]
  • You can search for media files in VisualEditor more easily. Images are bigger and you see the size and license. [29] [30]
  • It is easier to review your changes when you save the page in VisualEditor. The window is wider. [31]
  • You can read the latest news about VisualEditor. You can now join weekly meetings with developers. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The first meeting is on February 11 at 20:00 (UTC).

Future changes

  • Administrators will soon be able to delete change tags used fewer than 5,000 times. [32]
  • In the future you will be able to have personal lists of articles on the mobile site. [33]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

16:26, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Not sure how to add this to your main talk page.

The Guidance Barnstar
For foiling the Most Evil Empire's dastardly scheme.

Clarityfiend (talk) 01:08, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!  Gadget850 talk 02:20, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 February 2015

Tech News: 2015-08

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Software changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since February 11. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from February 17. It will be on all Wikipedias from February 18 (calendar).
  • On Wednesday your Meta user page will be shown if you don't have a user page on a wiki. [34] [35] [36]
  • You can now change the order of categories in VisualEditor using drag-and-drop. [37]
  • In VisualEditor, you now need to make a change before you can "Apply Changes" to citations and templates. [38]
  • The way the cursor moves in VisualEditor is changing. Your browser now handles the cursor directly. Most of you will see no change. In right-to-left text, the cursor now moves in a 'visible' rather than 'logical' way. This is like other sites but you may be surprised at first.​ [39]

Meetings

  • The VisualEditor Team had their first public bug triage meeting on February 11. They will post the results on the meeting page. [40]
  • You can join the second weekly meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on February 18 at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join. [41]
  • You can join a meeting with the developers of the Content Translation tool. It will be on February 18 at 13:00 (UTC). [42]

Future changes

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

17:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 February 2015

The Bugle: Issue CVII, February 2015

Full front page of The Bugle
Your Military History Newsletter

The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here.
If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 22:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Interview for The Signpost

This is being sent to you as a member of WikiProject Scouting

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Scouting for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Thanks, Rcsprinter123 (pitch) @ 17:59, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-09

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

Software changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since February 18. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from February 25. It will be on all Wikipedias from February 26 (calendar).
  • It is now easier to see template fields in VisualEditor. The fields are bigger. [47]
  • It is now easier to see when a button is disabled in VisualEditor. [48]
  • Sometimes when you copy-pasted a template in VisualEditor, it was replaced by HTML. This problem is now fixed. [49]
  • Tools in Labs will stop working for a few hours on February 24. [50]

Meetings

  • You can read the notes from the last meeting with the VisualEditor team.
  • You can join the next weekly meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on February 26 at 00:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • At the moment you need to log in to edit Wikimedia wikis on mobile devices. You can say if anyone should be allowed to edit on the mobile sites. The discussion ends on March 15.
  • Images in the interface will soon work better in Opera 12. [51]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

16:28, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 February 2015

The Signpost: 25 February 2015

Template:Editnotice/testcases

I've removed the test cases relevant to my abandoned changes. I'm pretty sure there's no impact but you might want to check I've not adversely affected your change which came between several of mine. Regards, Bazj (talk) 12:46, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

  • A Lua function to use Wikidata has changed. You need to update the pages that use it. [52]
  • You can use the Content Translation tool on Wikipedia in Uzbek and Minangkabau. You need to enable it in your Beta options.
  • You can now hide banners if you don't have an account. [53] [54]

Software changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since February 25. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from March 3. It will be on all Wikipedias from March 4 (calendar).
  • You can use the Content Translation tool on Wikipedia in Punjabi and Kyrgyz. You can ask for the tool in other languages.
  • Editing the fake blank line in VisualEditor is now simpler. This change also fixed a few bugs. [55] [56] [57] [58]
  • The TemplateData editor now warns you if a related page already has TemplateData. [59]
  • The TemplateData table now tells you if a template doesn't take any parameters. [60]

Meetings

  • You can read the notes from the last meeting with the VisualEditor team.
  • You can join the next weekly meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on March 4 at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join technical meetings in France and Mexico this year. You will be able to ask for help if you can't pay yourself. [61]

Future changes

  • You will be able to get a direct link for a section of a page. [62]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

16:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:Divbegin replacement

Hi, Gadget850. Per this discussion, I'll be replacing {{divbegin}} and </div>s with {{div col}} and {{div col end}}. I've done three for you to review before I proceed: [63]; [64]; [65]. Here's my regex: \{\{divbegin(?:\|columns=(\d))?\}\}((?:\n|.)*?)^(?:</div>|\{\{divend\}\}) → {{div col|cols=$1}}$2{{div col end}}. Thanks! Alakzi (talk) 17:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Gadget850. Should I assume that this is okay with you? Alakzi (talk) 20:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Gadget850. Could you extend the courtesy of a response? If you've not got an opinion, please just say so. Alakzi (talk) 14:05, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
OK by me. --  Gadget850 talk 14:12, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Fyfe

Good evening sir, i am very interested in what you have posted up until this point. Duncan Fyfe (talk) 05:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 March 2015

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Religious emblems programs (Boy Scouts of America), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Church of God. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 08:56, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

CharInsert request

Hi, Gadget850. I wonder where I could go to make a request about the UI for the CharInsert tool. The request is to change "Sign your posts on talk pages:" to simply "Signature:", and "Cite your sources:" to simply "Cite:". Or something shorter, so that the tool would display itself on 1 line instead of 2. Thanks. – Margin1522 (talk) 07:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I added more examples to Help:CharInsert#Customization instructions. The simplest way is to create a new selection; see the Insert2 example. --  Gadget850 talk 11:13, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I wasn't even thinking of this, but this is terrific. I added u, ping, code nowiki, and 4 macron vowels for Japanese, and it works like a charm. This is really convenient. – Margin1522 (talk) 14:41, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Great! --  Gadget850 talk 15:14, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-11

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can now create books on almost all wikis. It doesn't work yet on wikis using the language converter. [66] [67]
  • VisualEditor had problems with categories in Safari. It sometimes moved or removed the categories. The issue is now fixed. [68] [69] [70]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since March 4. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from March 10. It will be on all Wikipedias from March 11 (calendar).
  • In VisualEditor the "Edit beta" button is now called "Edit" on the English Wikipedia. [71] [72]
  • The feedback tool in VisualEditor now looks like the other tools. It also asks for information about your browser to help fix bugs. [73] [74]
  • You now see the VisualEditor toolbar even if the rest of the page is still loading. [75] [76]
  • You now see more information when you edit a link, a reference or other items in VisualEditor. You also see a clearer edit button in those tools. [77] [78]
  • If you use the ContentTranslation tool you now see red links in the list of articles in other languages. The link is red if the article doesn't exist in the language of your options or of your browser. You can translate the article by clicking on the red link.

Meetings

  • You can read the notes from the last meeting with the VisualEditor team.
  • You can join the next weekly meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on March 11 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join a technical meeting in France in May. You can ask for help if you can't pay yourself. [79]

Future changes

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:18, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 March 2015

Thank you for improving 'Template:Quote box/doc'.

Dear 'Gadget850',
I hope you are keeping well today.
Thank you for the improvements you applied on the subject template, shortly after I applied an earlier fix (using <div> tags) to ensure that centering continued in the collapsed/hidden part of the text.
I also wanted to report that, on my 19ins square screen, the second example of the poem we've both been working on today now displays the text of the author's name and the word 'show' as overlapping with the bottom two lines of the poem itself.
It has occurred to me that this might not happen on a wider screen, but only you will be able to verify this. Please may I therefore impose on you by asking that you look at it again, at your convenience, just to make sure? Thank you for your consideration.
If you want, I am happy to assist you as a remote viewer, to verify any future changes you might consider applying, to make the two lines in question (author's name and 'show') display under the last line of the poem's text, instead of overlapping with them. I'll be online for awhile yet, so please feel free to communicate if you feel like doing this right now.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk) 16:37, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

That's not going to work on quote boxes of a normal width of 22 em or so. The gap is apparently deliberate so that the [show] does not collide with the content. {{hidden begin}} needs some documentation work. --  Gadget850 talk 16:48, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the trouble of reverting, thus fixing the glitch I reported to you earlier. I must admit that I am not competent as a coder in this area, but only as a user. It is only because I found the previous fix in the archive that I applied it to the template earlier today.
(My apologies for lateness in replying to your response above; I was deep into editing and only checked here a few minutes ago.)
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk) 18:31, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The servers that resize images are using new software. You should report new problems that you notice with images. [82]
  • You can now see lists of bugs about Commons, Wikisource and Wiktionary. [83]
  • It is now easier to add special characters in VisualEditor. You can edit the list of characters for your wiki. [84] [85]

Problems

  • Wikis were broken for a few minutes on Thursday due to a code error.

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since March 11. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from March 17. It will be on all Wikipedias from March 18 (calendar).
  • A puzzle piece icon (icon) now shows hidden templates in VisualEditor. You can edit the template by clicking the icon. For example, you can now edit anchor templates. [86] [87]
  • You can now add examples, and details about old parameters, in TemplateData. [88] [89]

Meetings

  • You can read the notes from the last meeting with the VisualEditor team.
  • You can join the next weekly meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on March 18 at 23:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • The list of bad user names on your wiki will no longer work. The global list will replace it. You can ask to add rules for bad user names on Meta. [90] [91]
  • You can comment on how you want to see Wikidata edits in your watchlist on other wikis. [92]
  • The final steps of single user login (SUL) will happen in April. You can see the rules to rename accounts. [93]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 March 2015

* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

.

Tech News: 2015-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since March 18. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from March 24. It will be on all Wikipedias from March 25 (calendar).
  • The text of a reference is now more visible when you click on it. It has a blue background. Many wikis already have the blue color. Those wikis can now remove it from their CSS page. [94]
  • VisualEditor is now much faster. For many users it is now at least as fast as the wikitext editor. [95] [96] [97]
  • When you add a list of references in VisualEditor, you now see it right away. You can still change its group by editing it. [98]

Meetings

  • You can read the notes from the last meeting with the VisualEditor team.
  • You can join the next weekly meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on March 25 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • Talk pages using "LiquidThreads" on mediawiki.org will soon use the new system. [99]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

World Organization of the Scout Movement

I wondered about changing "center" to "centre" but what do we do with organise/organize. It has to be "z" in the title, but elsewhere both are used. Do we want the first sentence to be "The World Organization of the Scout Movement (WOSM /wʊzm/) is the largest international Scouting organisation" with both "z" and "s" in the same sentence? Since the title uses American English, I am inclined to use it for this article. Does WOSM use American English throughout its documents? --Bduke (Discussion) 20:01, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I was just puzzling over that myself. -- Gadget850 talk 20:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Puzzle away. I am sure you will get to the best answer. I have to go to work today. --Bduke (Discussion) 20:32, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost – Volume 11, Issue 12 – 25 March 2015

* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CVIII, March 2015

Full front page of The Bugle
Your Military History Newsletter

The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here.
If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 09:37, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


Article style

Just what policy issue was there to justify the T2 of

? Personally, I think that policy and long-established guidelines support efforts to keep article self-consistent, so a gentle reminder of what date format or citation style is in use should be something backed by policy, not prohibited by it!

You do know that I put the template into use on 27 articles' edit notices, one of which now has no content at all? There are editors who insert new citations or text using DMY format dates instead of the MDY used in the US, and I thought that a gentle, and small, reminder of what date format was in use would help to prompt them to "get things right the first time". Of those 27 articles, 26 are FAs, which should be maintained in a consistent state. Imzadi 1979 → 15:32, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Either restore it or go to Wikipedia:Deletion review. I'm out of the citation business for the next six months. -- Gadget850 talk 15:49, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for Template:Article style

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Template:Article style. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Imzadi 1979 → 01:55, 29 March 2015 (UTC)


Tech News: 2015-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can now hide site banners even if you don't have an account. [100]
  • You can now add citations more easily with VisualEditor on the French and Italian Wikipedia. The tool adds the information when you add some types of links. In the future you will be able to add this tool to your wiki. [101] [102] [103]
  • All sites should now be faster if you have a recent browser. [104]
  • You could see a serious bug when editing some templates with VisualEditor. It was fixed quickly. [105]
  • VisualEditor could break when you edited an image. The issue was fixed quickly. [106]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since March 25. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from March 31. It will be on all Wikipedias from April 1 (calendar).
  • VisualEditor is now the main editing tool on 53 more Wikipedias. [107]
  • You can now edit the mobile site of all wikis without an account. [108]
  • You can test a new tool on the beta mobile site on the English Wikipedia. With the new tool, you can create lists of articles. [109]
  • You can now see that VisualEditor is opening even if you're not looking at the top of the page. [110]
  • VisualEditor doesn't leave empty titles with just nowiki tags any more. [111] [112] [113] [114]

Meetings

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost, 1 April 2015

The Signpost: 01 April 2015

The Signpost: 01 April 2015

Template talk:Chart top

I think to would be more constructive if we chatted at Template talk:Chart top. -- PBS (talk) 17:36, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-15

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Problems

  • The import tool was broken for a few days. Imports didn't add log entries. You can delete and import pages again if necessary. [121]
  • Labs was broken several times this week. [122] [123] [124] [125]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since April 1. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from April 7. It will be on all Wikipedias from April 8 (calendar).
  • You can now add the same special characters with VisualEditor as with the wikitext editor. [126]
  • Many bugs around copy-paste in VisualEditor are now fixed. [127] [128]
  • You can now use basic tools of VisualEditor in the new talk tool. You can add links, bold and italics. You can also mention people. [129]

Meetings

  • You can join the next weekly meeting with the Editing team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on April 8 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • You can again comment on how you want to see Wikidata edits in your watchlist on other wikis. [130]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 08 April 2015

Tech News: 2015-16

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Problems

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since April 8. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from April 14. It will be on all Wikipedias from April 15 (calendar).
  • Developers will start to rename 1.5 million accounts on Wednesday. After that all accounts will be unique and will work on all wikis. [136] [137]
  • All users can now test link previews ("Hovercards") on several Wikipedias. [138]

Meetings

  • You can join the next weekly meeting with the Editing team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on April 15 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

16:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 April 2015

Tech News: 2015-17

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • There was sometimes a problem when saving a page in VisualEditor. It is now fixed on all wikis. [139]
  • VisualEditor sometimes showed empty warnings for wikis using Flagged Revisions. This is now fixed on all wikis. [140]
  • You can get the new version of the Wikipedia app for iOS. With it you can share facts with your friends. [141]
  • If you write JavaScript, you should stop using importScript and importStylesheet. [142]

Problems

  • There was a problem with Labs on Monday. [143]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since April 15. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from April 21. It will be on all Wikipedias from April 22 (calendar).
  • Developers are renaming 1.5 million accounts. After that all accounts will be unique and will work on all wikis. [144] [145] [146]
  • If your wiki has the auto-fill tool for citations, you can now use it when you edit a reference. [147]
  • You can now give examples for template options in TemplateData. [148]

Meetings

  • You can join the next weekly meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on April 22 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:30, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 April 2015

The Bugle: Issue CIX, April 2015

Full front page of The Bugle
Your Military History Newsletter

The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here.
If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 06:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

refbegin

Please don't wrap {{reflist}} or <references /> in {{refbegin}}/{{refend}}, as you did here and here. This makes the text too small, see MOS:ACCESS#Text. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:24, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Adjusted to move <references /> out of the <div class="references-small>...</div>. -- Gadget850 talk 13:28, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 26 April

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that some edits performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. They are as follows:

Please check these pages and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:35, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


Tech News: 2015-18

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • All accounts are now unique and work on all wikis. [151] [152]
  • You can read a report from experts who tested the security of MediaWiki. [153]
  • There was a problem between VisualEditor and an antivirus software. It is now fixed. [154]
  • You can help test VisualEditor to see if it works in your language. [155]

Problems

  • Some Labs tools had problems due to a software bug. [156]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since April 22. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from April 28. It will be on all Wikipedias from April 29 (calendar).
  • It is now clearer that you can delete several rows and columns when you edit tables in VisualEditor. [157]
  • You now see more information when you search for a template in VisualEditor. [158]
  • You can now cancel when you add citations on desktop, or edit links on mobile, in VisualEditor. [159]
  • You can now see the list of other formats for videos only after they're ready. [160]

Meetings

  • You can join the next weekly meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on April 29 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:10, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 28 April

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that some edits performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. They are as follows:

Please check these pages and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:24, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


refbegin II

re User talk:Gadget850/Archive 2015#refbegin, see this edit. Please be careful. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:50, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

My next sweep will look for that, since I am finding that sequence in the wild. insource:/\{\{refbegin\}\}\n*\{\{reflist/i -- Gadget850 talk 19:39, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Support request with team editing experiment project

Dear tech ambassadors, instead of spamming the Village Pump of each Wikipedia about my tiny project proposal for researching team editing (see here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Research_team_editing), I have decided to leave to your own discretion if the matter is relevant enough to inform a wider audience already. I would appreciate if you could appraise if the Wikipedia community you are more familiar with could have interest in testing group editing "on their own grounds" and with their own guidance. In a nutshell: it consists in editing pages as a group instead of as an individual. This social experiment might involve redefining some aspects of the workflow we are all used to, with the hope of creating a more friendly and collaborative environment since editing under a group umbrella creates less social exposure than traditional "individual editing". I send you this message also as a proof that the Inspire Campaign is already gearing up. As said I would appreciate of *you* just a comment on the talk page/endorsement of my project noting your general perception about the idea. Nothing else. Your contribution helps to shape the future! (which I hope it will be very bright, with colors, and Wikipedia everywhere) Regards from User:Micru on meta.

Reference errors on 30 April

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that some edits performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. They are as follows:

Please check these pages and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


The Signpost: 29 April 2015

References List additions

I've been fixing a few of your edits that you made with AWB like this one: [161], in which you added a malformed {{Reflist}} group template, i.e. {{reflist group=A}}. It should actually be {{reflist|group=A}}. I'm assuming this is just an error with the AWB auto-replace function or something. Thanks, — TheJJJunk (say hello) 18:11, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 1 May

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that some edits performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. They are as follows:

Please check these pages and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

A concern

Spamming people's watchlists with many pairs of consecutive trivial edits (like this and this) is not ideal. Can't they be combined into a single edit? bobrayner (talk) 17:26, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

That fix should have been applied the first time, but I found and resolved a regex problem that required another pass. -- Gadget850 talk 18:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 3 May

Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. It is as follows:

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:25, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

A minor issue

Gadget, I noticed in your work to sweep away the remains of references-small, on a couple of pages (Edmund FitzAlan, 9th Earl of Arundel and Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland) that you accidentally swept away a note that shared a line with the tags. I'm not sure how many pages you had to sweep through, but if you could check to see if any other notes got lost that way, that might be good. 1bandsaw (talk) 00:29, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


Tech News: 2015-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can now chat with other users in Phabricator. [162]
  • There was a rare problem with VisualEditor. The text of another wiki could be added to your edit. The issue is now fixed. [163] [164]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since April 29. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from May 5. It will be on all Wikipedias from May 6 (calendar).
  • It is now easier to add a link in VisualEditor. You can see an image and a description about the page. [165]

Meetings

  • You can join a meeting with the Language team. The meeting will be on May 5 at 14:30 (UTC). [166]
  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on May 6 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join an event in France on May 22−25. You need to sign up before May 8. [167]

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:10, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 May 2015

Tech News: 2015-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can now make charts and maps on your wiki with the new "graph" tool. If you have an old browser, you will see images instead. It uses a tool called Vega; you can learn how to use it and write help pages for your wiki. You can use the Vega edit tool to make charts and copy the code to your wiki. Charts and maps use complex code and you should put them into templates. In the future, you will be able to create charts with VisualEditor. [168] [169] [170]
  • You can apply for technical jobs to develop tools for the community. [171]
  • The logos of all wikis are now in a new place. It will make pages load faster. You can still ask to change the logo. You can also use local CSS for brief changes. [172] [173]

Problems

  • There was a problem that caused slow editing. [174]
  • Pages were sometimes removed from your watchlist in VisualEditor. This problem is now fixed. [175]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since May 6. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from May 12. It will be on all Wikipedias from May 13 (calendar).
  • You can now use data from Wikidata on more pages. The page doesn't need to be linked to the Wikidata item. It works on a few wikis and more wikis will be added soon. [176] [177]
  • You should get fewer errors when you add files to Commons. [178]
  • When you use an external link to link to a wiki page, VisualEditor now converts it to a wiki link. [179]
  • When you add a link in VisualEditor, you see pages that match what you type. It is now easier to see where they match. [180]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on May 13 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:41, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


Hi, a new citation template possible?

Hi Gadget, now that consensus seems to have decided 1. that it is allowed to use smallcaps for authornames in reference lists, and 2. that CS1 and CS2 are not going to support this feature, then I need someone to help me make a new citation template that does support it. There is {{template|Cite LSA}}, but it is not compatible with most of the functions that CS1 can handle such as linking from short citations, and the parameters have weird names making the change from CS format to LSA very work intensive. Do you think you might be willing/able to help with this? Really a CS1 style with an smallcaps option would be extremely useful for the wikiprojects where this has been used as standard.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 20:14, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Taking a break on citation stuff for a while. -- Gadget850 talk 20:16, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Golden Spread Council CSP.png

⚠
⚠

Thanks for uploading File:Golden Spread Council CSP.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Faulty find+replace

Hi! My recent changes patrol in portal-space was flooded with your recent edits. Some of them don't look correct. Examples: one, two. I'll work through them, but you may have to rethink your find+replace rule. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

(More) Sorry about all those "revert" notifications! I've finished looking through the portal-space edits. I haven't tried to look through the other namespaces. Most of the edits are fine, of course. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:23, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Facepalm Facepalm I made a change to account for weird uses like <br clear: all /> and let the regex get too greedy. That was the last run through. -- Gadget850 talk 15:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your help with my page. I appreciate it very much. I did not know before this that there had been a change, with the HTML having become obsolete. Once again, thank you. All the best. Figaro (talk) 08:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 May 2015

May 2015

Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that your edit to Bakumatsu may have broken the syntax by modifying 3 "<>"s. If you have, don't worry: just edit the page again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on my operator's talk page.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 11:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


OA Sashes NFCR

FYI, in case you would like to comment, please see Wikipedia:Non-free_content_review#File:Order_of_the_Arrow_sashes.png. I am contending that these sashes might be public domain, no longer subject to copyright protection as they were published with no notice prior to 1978. --B (talk) 14:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since May 13. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from May 19. It will be on all Wikipedias from May 20 (calendar).
  • References are now always in the right order. Also, the reference list now only shows references used on the page. [181]
  • You can no longer create an account with a colon ':' in it. If you already have one, it still works. [182]
  • The toolbar in VisualEditor now looks different. It is easier to see the icons. [183]
  • You won't be able to use e-mail lists for a few hours on Tuesday. [184] [185]
  • UploadWizard now shows better matches when you add a category to your file. [186]
  • A test about VisualEditor will start on the English Wikipedia on Thursday. [187]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on May 21 at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join a technical meeting in France this week.

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:20, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Recent edits

Thanks for the attention to the Western Front articles. I've not seen refn before, is there a reason for it? I recently began to copy someone who uses efn instead of tag ref and wonder if there are times and places for different note notations I don't know about. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 23:45, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Keith-264:#tag:ref is rather cryptic and invariant in syntax. See {{efn}} for a list of variants. Using a template makes it easier to find and update uses. -- Gadget850 talk 00:07, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Keith-264 (talk) 00:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I'd been changing tag ref to efn as I went over old work, would you prefer me to change them to refn?Keith-264 (talk) 08:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
{{refn}} uses the standard labels, but allows reference nesting (which is about to have some technical fixes applied). {{efn}} and variants also allow nesting, but style the labels. Use whichever is appropriate for use in the article. -- Gadget850 talk 11:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Is there any point in using {{refn}} rather than {{efn}}? (or {{efn-lr}}?) I can see that refn is slightly more flexible, if needed, but in general wouldn't efn be simpler? Andy Dingley (talk) 14:59, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
{{refn}} would be used where you would normally use <ref>...</ref> but you want to nest another <ref> inside it, but you don't need a different label style like {{efn}}. -- Gadget850 talk 16:15, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Seems a little odd then that {{efn}} isn't called {{efn-la}}. What threw me is that {{refn}} "supports nested citations", but AFAIK it doesn't do so in any way more than the {{efn}} series do anyway. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:33, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
You are presuming there was a master plan. {{refn}} was created to address a specific issue with nested refs. Then a few years later {{efn}} was created after the ability to style the labels was added. Then someone wanted upper case and we created the other templates. And {{efn}} is probably the more used. -- Gadget850 talk 19:02, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
No master plan? You'll be telling me There Is No Cabal next!
Obviously there is a Cabal, and they're already upset about all these changes. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Gadget, do you intend to change the efn that I've been using to replace tag refs?Keith-264 (talk) 19:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Just for your information, in this diff your automated edit messed up the quotes in the first paragraph. I fixed it but you might want to check your tool. Regards Alpheb (talk) 21:15, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Eight Consciousnesses

Hi, with this edit you introduced 14 cite errors. Best regards JimRenge (talk) 13:51, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I haven't seen any problems (other than one where I copyedited a bit anyway and preferred {{efn}} in that instance), but if your mass editing is causing errors in articles, you need to stop and think for a mo. Remember that you are responsible for every edit you make, and if you introduce lots of problems without realising, expect an angry mob with torches and pitchforks to turn up. I had assumed that #tag:ref was being imminently deprecated by developers or something similar. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar
Thanks for making well-formatted citations a lot more accessible to editors, without needing the arcana. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:45, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CX, May 2015

Full front page of The Bugle
Your Military History Newsletter

The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here.
If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 00:05, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 May 2015

refn vs #tag:ref

I'm just curious as to why you'd think {{refn}} is better than {{#tag:ref}} (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Light-year&diff=prev&oldid=663259623). Jimp 07:41, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

See the #Recent edits thread above.
I've been writing wikicode, templates, parser functions and DPL for years. {{#tag:ref}} is second nature to me. It's still horribly obscure and confusing to most editors. Really not the sort of thing we want in article bodies. It's reasonable to push one obscure syntax, templates, onto content editors but we shouldn't require knowledge of the other syntax dialects at the same time. Hide them away in templates, as this change does. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia should be editor friendly. Once an editor learns the basics of wikimarkup, including templates then they should not need to delve into parser functions, HTML and the like. That sort of stuff should be in templates, which also makes updates easy. -- Gadget850 talk 10:54, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
You are making life no more easy. Please drop it or take more care: most of the time, you could substitute with {{efn}}, which really does make the mark-up easier. - Sitush (talk) 20:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
That will be pass 2, which will include current uses of {{refn}} using |group=lower-alpha. I also need to get rid of quotes as those will default the reflist label style to decimal. Pass 2 will be much easier if all use the same base markup. Pass 2 should also include updating {{reflist}} with one of the predefined groups. -- Gadget850 talk 20:55, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough but note that the tool box (under the edit box) has {{#tag:ref}} (listed under Wiki markup). What's your opinion on that? Jimp 21:55, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Never noticed that in the CharInsert toolbar, but it can certainly be changed. And just because it is there doesn't mean much. Symbols has the curly single and double quotes. And still gives the obsolete <big>. -- Gadget850 talk 22:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Pinging all of you: Why is it I am getting a "Template loop detected: Template:Refn" error with {{efn}} {{notes}} at American_Pharoah when I have exactly the same formatting at California Chrome and it IS working? Help! Montanabw(talk) 23:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
This needs to be undone. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:49, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Between the AWB run and it's change to {{inflation-fn}}, something has broken Michigan State Trunkline Highway System. I'll revert all of my FAs changed by AWB until everything is sorted out. Imzadi 1979 → 23:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
You can stop now; I've fixed it. Alakzi (talk) 23:57, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I was about to revoke your AWB privileges for making these controversial edits, but then realized that you are an admin. This is quite disturbing. Unfortunately, this means that you may be blocked if these edits continue. --Rschen7754 04:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm also getting a "template loop detected" notice. Is this going to be resolved soon? Was there really a need to change this? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:46, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

error

Hi. Your change of ref templates in the language info boxes created errors, which showed up as "Template loop detected: Template:Refn". — kwami (talk) 02:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Same thing in {{singlechart}} and {{albumchart}}. I have reverted both of these edits. Please use a sandbox first and then attempt to edit these templates. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 03:48, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Broken code

Just a heads up. This edit broke the code on numerous pages using the Nihongo foot template. You should check your history to make sure other templates were not broken if this was an automated edit. Take care. —KirtMessage 09:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)


Broken code II

Your replacement of #tag:ref with refn, produced the bug (reference invoked but never defined) for all notes including the sign "=" as part of the note text. Here is an example. I resolved the problem for the specific linked to template suffering from the bug, simply by reversing your change, bringing the note code back to the old #tag:ref from your refn code. But perhaps you can fix this coding bug, so that refn in the future also will allow for "=" signs to be part of the note text line? Danish Expert (talk) 05:35, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I redid the edit, prefixing the first unnamed parameter contents with |1=. This is not a "bug" in the template itself; it handles "=" just fine, as long as the parameter is escaped properly. This is generic to all templates. (But it does require some care with AWB.) -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 10:21, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • VisualEditor was broken for 30 minutes on Tuesday. The problem was due to a tool it uses. [188]
  • Some Labs tools had issues last week. [189] [190]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since May 20. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from May 26. It will be on all Wikipedias from May 27 (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on May 28 at 18:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

16:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC)


The Signpost: 27 May 2015

Template:Clade

Hi! Back in November 2014, you edited {{clade}} with an edit summary about obsolete HTML. Apparently this broke the display of the template; see Talk:Plant#phylogenetic tree broken for a link to an image of how it appeared. I have reverted the template back to before your edit, but if this obsolete HTML will be a problem, I'd like to find a way to make the template work with better code. Any suggestions? Thanks, Rkitko (talk) 02:51, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gadget850/Archive_2015&oldid=1125491323"