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Don't quit this wiki
You are very annoying and shouldn't be an editor, revertor or administrator. 2A01:119F:31B:5D00:A5BF:C60A:B501:98A4 (talk) 11:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Revertor – sounds like a relative of Bishzilla! You should totally team up. (Btw, I fixed the heading, the IP had missed a word.) --bonadea contributions talk 11:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Bonadea, I pine for the good old days, when mammals knew their place, and I believe strongly that apologies and restitution should be made for the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event. Suspect that Bish feels the same way and that her multiple personas may be a result of survivor's guilt. Favonian (talk) 16:29, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- On pt:wp editors can aspire to the office of Eliminador. You don't have to be a Mandroid to apply, but there are only fourteen of them. The IPs have already been eliminated over there. @Bishonen: 78.145.28.23 (talk) 12:55, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Praise (of sorts) from a user of considerable, if disruptive, experience: The One, The Only, Vote (X) for Change! Favonian (talk) 16:23, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- On pt:wp editors can aspire to the office of Eliminador. You don't have to be a Mandroid to apply, but there are only fourteen of them. The IPs have already been eliminated over there. @Bishonen: 78.145.28.23 (talk) 12:55, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Ah, Bish! You certainly show consideration for one of the "Italians of Scandinavia". Had I been a true Norseman, you would have treated me to surströmming. 🤢 Favonian (talk) 16:23, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Another IslamMyLoveMyLife sock?
Hi Favonian. Considering you started IslamMyLoveMyLife's SPI, I thought you might want to check on CalligrapherAR. Recently created categories like Category:Children of Sunni monarchs and Category:Rightly Guided Caliphs of Sunni Islam sound an awful lot like the ones IslamMyLoveMyLife created in the past. --HyperGaruda (talk) 21:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- @HyperGaruda: Does indeed. I have blocked the sock and done some reverting and speedying. Favonian (talk) 16:41, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Unblock
Can you unblock the IP user because I was having fun and not being attacked. I have been in much worse (just check yesterday's talk page history) and the trout says to not take it seriously in the first place. TigerScientist Chat 17:47, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- No! The IP was being a complete nuisance. In particular, faking another editor's signature is a hanging offense. Favonian (talk) 17:48, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok TigerScientist Chat 18:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Swedish faux philosopher
I don't know what that block summary means, but after being unblocked 31.208.66.29 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) seems to have gone right back to problematic edits (an edit war at axiom). --JBL (talk) 13:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- All I could come up with at the time. Edits from the Stockholm area and has an unrequited love for philosophical topics. Thought they had given up. Now blocked for a year. Favonian (talk) 14:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, I see -- I was puzzled when I couldn't find User:Swedish faux philosopher -- maybe I should grab it before someone else does. Thanks! --JBL (talk) 14:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @JayBeeEll: Maybe User:Swedish fauxlosopher is also worth taking :) — MarkH21talk 05:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Don't forget to acquire the internet domains! Favonian (talk) 08:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- @JayBeeEll: Maybe User:Swedish fauxlosopher is also worth taking :) — MarkH21talk 05:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, I see -- I was puzzled when I couldn't find User:Swedish faux philosopher -- maybe I should grab it before someone else does. Thanks! --JBL (talk) 14:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
List of Youngest mayors in india
Hello,
Seems there are lots of edits happening in this subject which I can see latest edits done by personals having political affiliation and which may impact the credibility of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharatheeyanoriginal (talk • contribs) 16:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- That's why the page is semi-protected. Discussions regarding the topic belong on the article talk page, where you have already chipped in. Favonian (talk) 16:32, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
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Pov Pushing edits by BlauGraf (material on both sides that has been "published") but the other side is Neo-Nazis/apologists?
Hello I saw that you edited the page War crimes of the Wehrmacht It looks like BlauGraf is trying to downplay the crimes of the Nazis examples.
The War crimes of the Wehrmacht page before they edited the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht&diff=994167459&oldid=994162428 According to a study by Alex J. Kay and David Stahel, the majority of the Wehrmacht soldiers deployed to the Soviet Union participated in war crimes.[3]
After they edited the page War crimes of the Wehrmacht
According to a study by Alex J. Kay and David Stahel, it is alleged that some of the Wehrmacht soldiers deployed to the Soviet Union participated in war crimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht&diff=998881357&oldid=998881260
102.142.23.241 (talk) 15:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-Protection for Hurricane Iota
Hello. Can you please re-apply the Semi-Protection on Hurricane Iota for a while? This article has persistently been targeted by LTAs and drive-by vandals since November 2020. It was vandalized as recently as yesterday, and given the recent history of the article, I don't expect things to change anytime soon. Thank you. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 23:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Big lie
Thanks--you beat me to it, while I was pondering the editor's other work. If you think an Only warning isn't enough, go ahead and block indefinitely. Drmies (talk) 18:13, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'll wait and see – mostly out of curiosity. Favonian (talk) 18:14, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Haha, curiosity is not an often-used concept on Wikipedia, but I feel the same way quite often. Drmies (talk) 18:32, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Own page
Q. Can i post my own page on Wikipedia? Bookie hunger (talk) 13:27, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Bookie hunger: Sure. If it's just for experimenting, use User:Bookie hunger/sandbox. If it's for creating a profile, use User:Bookie hunger, but be sure to read the guide line for user pages first. Favonian (talk) 13:41, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Kenwikiman again
Apparently that 72h edit-warring block didn't take - could you please escalate? Cheers... -Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:10, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oh good grief! Blocked indefinitely as totally WP:NOTHERE. Favonian (talk) 21:24, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
- "Mr Favonian. It's well known. He does make exceedingly good blocks" Martinevans123 (talk) 16:08, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Martinevans123! A most delicious compliment. Favonian (talk) 16:12, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Surely Gilbert and Sullivan wrote a song about that? "He's fair and he's just and he's never draconian. His blocks are exceedingly good, our Favonian." --bonadea contributions talk 17:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, thank you! You're a wonderful audience. [Bow] Favonian (talk) 17:45, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Surely Gilbert and Sullivan wrote a song about that? "He's fair and he's just and he's never draconian. His blocks are exceedingly good, our Favonian." --bonadea contributions talk 17:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Martinevans123! A most delicious compliment. Favonian (talk) 16:12, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- "Mr Favonian. It's well known. He does make exceedingly good blocks" Martinevans123 (talk) 16:08, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
2020–21 Southampton F.C. season
Greetings Favonian. I should explain I've been in hospital (NOT recommended during a global pandemic!) and have no idea what my edit to this page has done but I suspect foul play by an I/P The page is of interest as Southampton have now twice lost by a premier league record 9-0! Could I ask you please to have a look?
Take care JRPG (talk) 16:46, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- @JRPG: Congratulations on making it out alive, but if you're a Southampton fan then life may not taste as sweet. If I understand the schematics of the article correctly, then game #19 of the season was lost by only one goal and, more to the point, played in Southampton making it a home game, the preference of the IP as well as the rugby fan – whatever he's doing on a soccer page. Guess your recent experience has taken its toll. Favonian (talk) 17:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- It has, I haven't edited anything for months. They played last night and got thrashed 9-0 by ManU, alas equalling Leicester's great away win BBC football
RE: Big Lie ("First!")
On November 20th, you reverted a minor edit I made to the page Big Lie where I included an internal link to Donald Trump's Wikipedia page as an example of this tactic. Up until that point in time, the page was exclusively referring to Hitler's own description of the tactic (as he claimed his enemies used it) and its usage in Nazi Germany. You left this note on my Talk page: "Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Big lie. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you."
At that time, the entirety of my edit was an additional link in the "See Also" section at the bottom of this article, which was Veracity of statements by Donald Trump. I disagree that my edit was "commentary" or made in bad faith, but I will submit that my link without context was sloppy. I did not have confidence that I could write a section entirely devoted to Donald Trump's embodiment of the "Big Lie", but now the community has taken the lead. As of this moment, editors have reached consensus that the Big Lie is a long-standing, presently-relevant propaganda tool and created an entire section related to Donald Trump's claim of a stolen election. Obviously, then-President-Elect Joe Biden's handlers tried to make this association stick in January and it wasn't a hard sell to a polarized and exhausted nation. The irony, of course, is that Nazi comparisons flow freely from the American Right whenever The Left is in power. The reason I was even aware of the concept of "Big Lie" months before Joe Biden mentioned it was because my conservative father used to talk about it all the time when I was a boy, over 20 years ago. While the Capitol Riot was happening on January 6th, I called him to get his thoughts and he was absolutely devastated...that the election was "stolen" from Donald Trump.
Obviously, I am not a fan of Donald Trump, and there was no small amount of schadenfreude involved in me making the comparison I did on Wikipedia. But I would like you to know that I edited in good faith and did not personalize the topic just by citing his behavior as an example. It was not a tongue-in-cheek citation. That said, I am glad for the greater context of the new revisions others have brought. Hitler might have given "Big Lie" a name, but he was not the first or last to use the tactic, and there is scholarly merit in citing historical, relevant, momentous examples.
I've gone on too long already, but please let me paraphrase an argument we have heard but society won't accept: When the Nazis lost World War 2, the Western World destroyed their image generationally with extremely effective rebuke, schooling and bald propaganda. But Germany was every bit as sophisticated as other "western" societies until the moment we decided they weren't. The tragedy of the success of western anti-Nazi campaigns is that fascism in America has been dismissed as a problem that could only exist at that time in Europe, but it has been with us all along. Names change, places change and organizations change, but the basic tools don't change. I think that discussions of history lean too heavily on labels and not enough on descriptions of tactics. My history education was taught--probably not on purpose--as the opening and closing of books, but our story is still being written: Every new chapter is building from the unresolved conflicts of the past.
I do not generally think that Average Joe should race to Wikipedia every time he thinks something happening in his country happened once in Nazi Germany. Almost every comparison would be ungermane, poorly cited and highly partisan. But consensus is building among serious scholars that the lies told by Donald J. Trump bear uncanny resemblance to the tactics of cult leaders and fascist despots, nearly ending a 245-year peaceful transition of power (an "achievement" that would definitely be on a magazine cover). People have wondered in good faith and bad how far he would need to go for fascist comparisons to stick. To-date, an insurrection campaign against the United States Congress, desecration of the United States capitol, the deaths of police and the sacrifices of his most devout followers are still not enough for many. Impartiality is crucial, but the cows have left the barn. The campaign surrounding Donald Trump's "Big Lie" that the election was stolen put his name in an encyclopedia page with Adolph Hitler.
P.S. I LOVE your Wikipedia page and am also a "mathematician by education". Probably not as learned as you though. I won't be mad if you nuke this wall-of-text. Thank you for all the good work you are doing!
LkeYHOBSTorItEwA (talk) 08:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
188.127.160.170
Can user:188.127.160.170 please be blocked ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 13:19, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Done. Favonian (talk) 13:22, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks for reverting me I am dumb sometimes. TigerScientist Chat 18:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ain't we all? Favonian (talk) 18:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
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Capitalism
If you refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_capitalism you will see that a majority of the edits I am making are moving information from one page to the other. The reason is to both clean up the page and bring it in line with other similar pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TauGuys (talk • contribs) 17:52, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed. Fairly drastic stuff from a freshly created account, but I have self-reverted and we shall see how it plays out. Favonian (talk) 18:02, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- If you have an opportunity to review, that would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TauGuys (talk • contribs) 18:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Blocked IP abusing talk page
Hello, IP 24.249.20.208 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), who is currently blocked, is abusing their talk page. Is it possible to revoke their talk page access? --Ashleyyoursmile! 16:50, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Favonian (talk) 16:55, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. :) Ashleyyoursmile! 16:56, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
User giving legal threat
Hello, sorry to bother you but User Michael Carl Fuchs had been making personal attacks towards editors who had reverted their edits. Now they are making repeated legal threats: [1] and [2]. --Ashleyyoursmile! 19:25, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. :) Ashleyyoursmile! 19:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
TPA
Hi Favonian. You blocked Michael Carl Fuchs for legal threats; I believe Special:Diff/1009886127 would be grounds to revoke talk page access as well. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:39, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed! Favonian (talk) 20:43, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Fleming
Many thanks for your tweaks to the Fleming infobox. While you there, could you possibly delink London (per WP:OVERLINKING), and add the countries to the birth and death fields? Many thanks 213.205.194.254 (talk) 09:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Hope it doesn't get me embroiled in some England vs. United Kingdom fracas. Favonian (talk) 10:02, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Many thanks, I’m much obliged. SC 213.205.194.254 (talk) 10:04, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Final warning?
You gave a final warning for this? Really, isn't that just a tad excessive? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 21:53, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
- @MJL: Correct. I have apologized. Favonian (talk) 22:04, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
- @MJL: Then again, maybe not. Favonian (talk) 19:07, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
IP 73.61 user
You blocked a range of 2600:1000:b000::/40. Do you believe that the same person using that range is the one using 73.61.16.105 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)? --George Ho (talk) 22:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Grammar, or English dialect differences?
You reverted (in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grey_currawong&oldid=prev&diff=1008846537) my edit which was a grammar correction. I speak US New England, and my original edit (to plural) is correct therein. Are we having a dialect difference? Do you perchance speak some flavor of British or Australian in which the singular verb form is correct? Igodard (talk) 08:04, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Igodard: I should probably yield immediately, as you are a native English speaker and I am not, but my rationale was that the subject of the sentence is "much" and that would usually come with a singular form of the verb, compare "Much is to be done." This, however, is definitely not the blood-soaked hill on which I'll make my last stand, so feel free to re-revert. Favonian (talk) 18:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
IP 104.229.130.167
I don't know how to block. Would you be willing to block this vandal? Best wishes, YoPienso (talk) 18:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
- The IP had a short moment in the limelight more than 3 hours ago and then stopped editing. Under these circumstances, a block is probably pointless, but if the IP resumes you should report it at WP:AIV. I have issued a warning, which is sort of a prerequisite for a block. Favonian (talk) 18:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! YoPienso (talk) 18:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
LTA question
Hi Favonian, I saw that you have some experience in dealing with previous socks from that case. I reported a whole bunch just yesterday because I noticed them after putting UAA on my watchlist a while back (for unrelated reasons). Just wanted to check whether SPI is the recommended action here, or just regular AIV with a link to the LTA report? I don't want to give them any more attention than they're seeking, of course. Thanks, DanCherek (talk) 13:03, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
- @DanCherek: The socks are so blatantly obvious that I usually just block them without further ado, but now that you mention it, I noticed that zzuuzz recently blocked MyBuddhaa as a WP:HAND of Cromebell, so maybe a CU request should be standard operating procedure. Favonian (talk) 16:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
- @DanCherek: I often tend to pick these up at SPI more than anywhere, at least at the start of a spree. CUs are never going to stop Nsmutte, however they can often do more to help than you may realise, including picking up the dreg hands like the one you mention, and there's often some GH/BH if you know where to look. I would advise that there is probably no real need to request CU at SPI, nor keep the reports open, unless there's a real rash of them, because they'll probably be checked there anyway. Just try and ensure that a relevant CU is in the loop occasionally. I would recommend AIV as an action - many admins know what they're looking at .. maybe then SPI can deal with batches. But recognition is neither in Nsmutte's interests nor purposes, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Hi Favonian :) -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
- Sounds good, thank you both! DanCherek (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
- @DanCherek: I often tend to pick these up at SPI more than anywhere, at least at the start of a spree. CUs are never going to stop Nsmutte, however they can often do more to help than you may realise, including picking up the dreg hands like the one you mention, and there's often some GH/BH if you know where to look. I would advise that there is probably no real need to request CU at SPI, nor keep the reports open, unless there's a real rash of them, because they'll probably be checked there anyway. Just try and ensure that a relevant CU is in the loop occasionally. I would recommend AIV as an action - many admins know what they're looking at .. maybe then SPI can deal with batches. But recognition is neither in Nsmutte's interests nor purposes, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Hi Favonian :) -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Smørrebrødsbord
Hi Favonian, the smörgåsbord that keeps replenishing itself has provided Mafatlol – could you do the thing with the block button, and maybe also semi-protect my talk page for a week or so? --bonadea contributions talk 18:35, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
- My cup runneth over! Both buttons at my disposal pressed. Favonian (talk) 18:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
- You are a scholar and a gentleman. --bonadea contributions talk 18:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Recover Deleted Page
Hey Favonian, Can you recover this page as it has eligible references.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshay_Jain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Proxteri (talk • contribs) 08:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- No. It was promotional and based on very weak sources. You should have paid attention to the comments when the draft version was declined. Favonian (talk) 10:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Unban_request_for_Bigshowandkane64
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Yamla (talk) 13:17, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Battle of Entzheim
Can we semi-protect this page? The originator is Jules Agathias aka Caglarbeyvevo, aka Prince Conde etc etc, this has been going on for a year and he shows no sign of flagging as yet. Robinvp11 (talk) 18:34, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Favonian (talk) 18:39, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Creating Userpage for 208.108.154.38
This is the IP address for the school I go to. I was wondering if I could create a userpage letting people know that consistent vandalism occurs under the school IP, and also a little background. KommanderChicken (talk) 15:00, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- @KommanderC: We don't usually create user pages for IPs. School IPs are blocked on a very regular basis, and it doesn't require much information beyond "yet another school block (SIGH!)" Favonian (talk) 18:43, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Revoke talk page access
Can you please revoke Amitanony's talk page access, as they recently made a completely unacceptable edit? ~ 🌀 SCS CORONA 🌀 13:02, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Favonian (talk) 18:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Personal attacks from Antisemitic LTA
Hi there! Thanks for blocking that nut. Can you please RevDel these edits of his? They're extremely offensive/obscene. Thanks! LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 19:02, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Favonian (talk) 19:05, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Query about vandalism
Hi, Favonian,
Usually vandalism is pretty easy to identify and pick out. But I can't figure out the consistent vandalism over the past few years to TJ page to add Traffic jam to the list. I see you have protected this page twice over edit warring on this and this vandalism has been going on for three years. And the IPs keep stating in their edit summaries, "I can't believe this page isn't protected!" Huh? Why would a random disambiguation page be protected?
Usually these vandalism sprees aren't long-lasting and I was wondering if you knew the origin of this, whether this was one person or lots of people, maybe something they heard on social media? It just seems so curious and meaningless. I probably shouldn't try to make sense of it! Liz Read! Talk! 00:55, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, it looks like some of this activity is coming from IPs in Washington state. Still seem like a peculiar kind of vandalism. Liz Read! Talk! 01:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz: The case file has a name: WP:Sockpuppet investigations/DeepNikita. This Washington State Heritage moron specializes in acronyms. It's not for me to explain how that can be a turn-on, but they crave attention and get it in the form of protections and range blocks. Favonian (talk) 09:09, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that helps explain it. It's not flashy for vandalism but it's repetition makes it annoying. Thanks for the answer! Liz Read! Talk! 04:10, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz: The case file has a name: WP:Sockpuppet investigations/DeepNikita. This Washington State Heritage moron specializes in acronyms. It's not for me to explain how that can be a turn-on, but they crave attention and get it in the form of protections and range blocks. Favonian (talk) 09:09, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Colchis
Hiya Favonian. Unfortunately the IP is still continuing his/hers disruption [3] --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Quite. At least they are now providing a source of sorts, though it hardly qualifies as reliable. I have reverted them again, but this makes me involved to the extent that I can't take administrative action such as protecting or blocking. Favonian (talk) 16:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
GurjeetChohla954
You get to have all the fun.-- --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:51, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Don't I just? With all the Nsmutte and DeepNikita socks swimming in the great Wikipedia cesspool, my joy is complete. Favonian (talk) 18:53, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- LOL. Haven't had the pleasure of meeting DN. I spend all my time declining Pcgmsrich on UTRS. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:04, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Well, in all seriousness, without people like you two, Wikipedia would be no fun at all. At least not for me (though NSM might enjoy himself more.) --bonadea contributions talk 17:56, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Bonadea. Praise much appreciated. Yes, Adminworld is where the fun is, just in case the incessant whispers in your ears take root. ;) Favonian (talk) 18:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Well, in all seriousness, without people like you two, Wikipedia would be no fun at all. At least not for me (though NSM might enjoy himself more.) --bonadea contributions talk 17:56, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- LOL. Haven't had the pleasure of meeting DN. I spend all my time declining Pcgmsrich on UTRS. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:04, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
LCP seems to have returned
User:AHumbleSeaSnail I'm 99% certain this is LouisePhillipeCharles, based on their userpage and activity on other wikis. Tried reporting it on meta but the global lock request page is, ironically, locked CiphriusKane (talk) 17:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- @CiphriusKane: It was so obvious that I thought it might be a cruel impersonator, but the edits to sco-Wiki, where LPC has had another disastrous career, confirms the identity. Thanks for spotting the sock before it did any damage. Favonian (talk) 19:21, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Question
Would Template:WikiProject Weather be able to be protected against vandalism as a future high-visibility template? We are getting ready to begin merging WP:WPMET, WP:WPTC, and multiple other weather wikiprojects together, which would catapult this template to high-visibility rather quickly as articles get funneled over. I don't want the template to get vandalized during the process of changing over the thousands of pages. NoahTalk 15:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Done. We don't usually protect preemptively, and 52 is not exactly a high transclusion count, but I trust you and your compadres will rectify this. Favonian (talk) 15:58, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Request regarding Jeffrey Ullman
Dear Favonian,
I am writing regarding the Jeffrey Ullman page which you have locked (and appears in the news page). I would like to draw your attention to
Thanks Temp-username1 (talk) 11:50, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Help with block evader
Hi. You may not recall this but previously there were issues at Kristin Kreuk's article where an IP address kept combining sources to reach a conclusion that is not stated in them. In December, you were the one who blocked the IP from editing Kreuk's article for a year. Yesterday, another IP added the same content back in. Given that the new IP used the same four sources as the blocked IP (all of which were previously discussed on the talk page), I figure they are just the original IP evading their block. I'm not sure of the protocol on dealing with this. Would you be able to help? Kind regards. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 11:58, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Abbyjjjj96: Obviously the same person, so I've blocked this IP from editing the article as well. Favonian (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 21:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Melissa Duck for deletion
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(Oinkers42) (talk) 16:11, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Ñ - RFPP
Hi Favonian, it appears you are on right now. Could you please protect this article? It is getting hammered today, see RFPP request. Thanks! S0091 (talk) 16:22, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Done, for 3 days. Favonian (talk) 16:25, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
IPv6 range you blocked
Hi, Favonian. Here's an edit from an IPv6 range, 2001:8004::/34, that you have partially blocked for a year. I don't know if the "word" they give is a person (Google has nothing), but it seems likely. I dunno if there's more to be done about this range; partial block from the Sandbox isn't meaningful, I guess! Bishonen | tålk 10:44, 23 April 2021 (UTC).
- @Bishonen: Actually, I just added an article to the existing partial block, but to answer your question: I doubt there's more we can do. Blocking a /34 range for real would be too drastic, even for this notoriously bloodthirsty admin. You did put a naughty idea in my head, though. Would be kind of interesting to see how The Community would react to a partial block from the sandbox. We just had a slightly related case of some bored school kid vandalizing the old sandbox. Upon receiving the standard warnings, the budding little Wiki-lawyer responded thus. Still ended up blocked. Favonian (talk) 16:18, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Aah, poor widdle thing. Speaking of bloodthirsty, I think I may start using my old wikimood indicators again, and you are very welcome to do so too (even though you can probably make better ones for yourself). Are you bloodthirsty like Godzilla today? Or merely Rain of Frogs? Bishonen | tålk 09:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC).
- Thank you! Right now, I'm actually hovering just above "Illegal Smile". The lockdown has been dialed back another notch, and I can now get a burger and a beer at my favorite haunt. Tastes so much better than a bitter old vandal. Favonian (talk) 11:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Aah, poor widdle thing. Speaking of bloodthirsty, I think I may start using my old wikimood indicators again, and you are very welcome to do so too (even though you can probably make better ones for yourself). Are you bloodthirsty like Godzilla today? Or merely Rain of Frogs? Bishonen | tålk 09:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC).
Special:Contributions/RIPARCA - please block
Hi again! They have been reported to AIV but this one is not going to stop. S0091 (talk) 20:19, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Well and truly blocked by one of my colleagues. Favonian (talk) 21:03, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, finally. I fully admit I went admin hunting. You guys can be slippery sometimes, lol. S0091 (talk) 21:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day
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Hey, Favonian. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:55, 30 April 2021 (UTC) |
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Happy First Edit Day!
Have a very happy first edit anniversary!
From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 16:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi
For your information I'm not here to stick in your article.And not interested in this also. Ujjwal 20 (talk) 18:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- I have no idea what you're trying to say. Favonian (talk) 18:40, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm saying mind your own business.how many user accounts I have ,it's not should be your lookout.and stop this Ujjwal 20 (talk) 18:45, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- Blocked indefinitely as WP:NOTHERE. Favonian (talk) 19:33, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
User talk page request
Favonian, I'd like to request that an uninvolved Admin take a look at User talk:DeBlockerMan G7, and take any action that the Admin think is appropriate. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Fairly obnoxious person who has made three questionable (and reverted) page moves. If this resumes, I would be tempted to block, but at present, it would be overkill. I'll try to monitor things. Favonian (talk) 17:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- One of my colleagues lost patience with this individual. Case closed. Favonian (talk) 05:44, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar |
| Thank you for blocking the sockpuppets. Zai (💬 • 📝 • ⚡️) 18:12, 5 May 2021 (UTC) |
New to Wikipedia
Hi! My name is Nick.
I got banned by you from Wikipedia editing on my phone for a year and the reason I got banned was a jumble of letters, and I was wondering if I could get unbanned. I never edited anything on Wikipedia before and I was hoping to make an account; however, the ban prevents me from making one.
Thanks!
100.40.189.181 (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting. The above information isn't sufficient for me to make a decision. Could you provide me with the blocked IP address that your phone used? Favonian (talk) 18:01, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
I confess that I don't exactly know where to find my phone's IP address. I was the last person to edit the page, "List of solved missing person cases." Wikipedia assigned these numbers to me (2600:387:5:80d::80) and its linked to contributions I've never made. I hope this isn't too much of a hassle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.40.189.181 (talk) 18:10, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- The fact that you edited that article a little over an hour ago proves that you are not currently blocked. The range, to which the IP belongs (2600:387:5:80d::/64) was blocked twice back in 2019, but those blocks have long expired. Favonian (talk) 18:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Correction: I should have said the IP, not necessarily you personally. IPv6 addresses (the ones with the many colons) are subject to frequent change. Favonian (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
That's strange. Is there any information I need so I can use my phone for editing? I still can't edit because the range I'm in got disabled according to the reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.40.189.181 (talk) 18:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Can you reproduce, verbatim, the message you get when you're denied access? Are you by any chance using a VPN? Wikipedia really doesn't like VPNs. Favonian (talk) 18:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
This is the message when I click "see more."
Your IP address has been blocked from editing Wikipedia.
Try logging in if you have an account.
Blocked by Favonian
Block will expire in a year.
See details
Reason
Editing from this range has been disabled (blocked) by an administrator in response to abuse.
Editing by unregistered users from this IP address range has been blocked. In rare cases, usually in response to serious abuse, logged-in editing may also be blocked. An IP address range may in some cases be used by many people; if you believe that you are not the person this block is intended for, please follow the instructions below:
I don't have an account, but I think the block was intended for me because I found some informational mistakes on the page and I couldn't change those after my first edit. I don't have a VPN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.40.189.181 (talk) 18:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm at a loss. The quoted message doesn't state the IP (range) blocked, but I assume it's the one you gave above. Having run out things to try, I must refer you to WP:Help desk. Favonian (talk) 18:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
I appreciate the help! I didn't know it was supposed to give me my IP range within the message. I'll use the link you've sent me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.40.189.181 (talk) 19:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
FYI
Hello F. I hope you are well. I saw your R/D on SV's talk page where you removed both the edit and the user name but it turns out that name is still in the edit history. I am really going to miss her. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 16:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Update. Moneytrees zapped it while I was typing this. Have a great week. MarnetteD|Talk 16:25, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- @MarnetteD: (edit conflict) A colleague already disposed of the remaining garbage. I share your sentiment! Favonian (talk) 16:28, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Talk page move
Hi Favonian. The article Muawiyah I was moved to Mu'awiya I following a discussion on the talk page. However, the target talk page (i.e. Talk:Mu'awiya I) already existed, so during the move only the main page was moved (i.e. Muawiyah I → Mu'awiya I) and the talk could not be moved. Could please delete Talk:Mu'awiya I and then move Talk:Muawiyah I to it? Thanks. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 14:48, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Favonian (talk) 15:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Protection needed immediately
Hi, so there's a lot of vandalism and in past 24 hrs, there were IP vandalism and two users adding unsourced info. So I'm requesting you to check it by clicking here and protect this page asap otherwise more IP or users will vandalise Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 16:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- The problematic editor stopped an hour and a half ago, so there's no pressing need for protection. Favonian (talk) 16:33, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to talk to your boss
I'd like to talk to your boss — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.201.34 (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tough luck! I'm a volunteer, so I don't have a boss. Favonian (talk) 18:35, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
FYI
Hello F. I'm letting you know about this Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Admin_protecting_own_talk_page_pre-emptively. Hopefully it will be dealt with by the time you see this. Have a nice week. MarnetteD|Talk 00:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, MarnetteD! The context for the protection was that I had just kicked Nate Speed off LuK3's talk page, and it didn't take a high-powered crystal ball to predict where that wandering vandal would go next. The ANI plaintiff is another, sadder case. Favonian (talk) 05:47, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you Favonian for taking care of my talk page yesterday. It's never fun logging in and seeing 10+ talk page notifications. -- LuK3 (Talk) 13:03, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- You are welcome F. I had several snarky reply's for that troll but thought better of it :-) LuK3 I am sorry you had to deal with that nonsense. Best regards to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 13:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you Favonian for taking care of my talk page yesterday. It's never fun logging in and seeing 10+ talk page notifications. -- LuK3 (Talk) 13:03, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
DefenderPlate disrupting the sandbox again
Hello Favonian, I noticed that you revdeleted their last contributions to the sandbox. Unfortunately they've done some more - would it be possible to revdelete those as well? Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- There is apparently fallout from their edits, as I mention at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Sandbox oddness.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 19:44, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Pahunkat and Ponyo: I thought of blocking them yesterday when I discovered that they'd already been blocked for the same behavior over at Wiktionary. Yet another instance of slothfulness to regret. Favonian (talk) 20:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Your instincts are rarely wrong...-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 20:29, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've seen this type of vandalism before in the sandbox, and think that things like this website have something to do with it (which helpfully explain what happens if you scroll down). I've requested a global lock for the account because of their vandalism on Wiktionary. Pahunkat (talk) 20:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Pahunkat and Ponyo: I thought of blocking them yesterday when I discovered that they'd already been blocked for the same behavior over at Wiktionary. Yet another instance of slothfulness to regret. Favonian (talk) 20:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Non-responsive IPv6
Back in February, you blocked an IPv6 here. The same individual is still making edits with no explanation, under new addresses (presumably DHCP server giving new addresses). The major change is that these edits now come with the edit comment "nothing mush" (sic). Still no response to requests that they identify why they are deleting stuff - I suspect the editor has no idea about messages on talk pages, since each time it's from a new address. Could we block the IPv6/64 to get their attention? Something like this range? Tarl N. (discuss) 01:33, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Tarl N.: I doubt that they have any attention to be got, but now they are blocked for a considerable length of time. Favonian (talk) 12:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Tarl N. (discuss) 17:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Regarding user Bcuzwhynot
I opened a sockpuppet investigation at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/141.193.118.3 some time ago. You're free to close the case or add a comment if need be. Wizzito (talk) 23:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks! Wonder how I overlooked the case. Favonian (talk) 05:34, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
HC? (Long shot)
Given the positions taken in this discussion, and the behaviors outlined here, do you think it's possible that the 2-month-old editor involved (Westerhaley) could be HC? If so, should a CU get involved? Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Beyond My Ken: It's certainly an editor who has a lot in common with HC, diving directly into Operation Barbarossa and proceeding to Axis Powers. A certain disdain for Churchill is also noticeable. I believe it is him, though I'm a bit hesitant to swing the hammer. CU would therefore be a good idea. Favonian (talk) 18:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I'll write up an SPI. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Can you please help me expand this page? I can't find the original user for this person. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 16:44, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- @NASCARfan0548: It's Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CalebHughes, so I guess the case file should be named accordingly. I could definitely contribute, but it'll be a while before I can fit it in. As you can tell from his latest manifestion, I come highly recommended. Favonian (talk) 16:55, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Favonian, How do you know it's Caleb? NASCARfan0548 ↗ 16:56, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- If you trawl through the archive, you'll find several IPs from the relevant region performing the characteristic vandalism on the usual category of articles. There are other instances, where the cross-over between this activity and his "main line" of making up college football "rivalries" comes to the surface. Favonian (talk) 17:00, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Favonian, How do you know it's Caleb? NASCARfan0548 ↗ 16:56, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- NASCARfan0548 and Favonian, I believe CalebHughes and this LTA are indeed separate, with CalebHughes imitating the original vandal. Other than the college football rivalries stuff, Caleb will often go to admins asking for protection of target pages of this LTA, and to make things even more confusing, has started to participate in the vandalism himself in order to get the pages protected faster (e.g. see Special:Contributions/Ethanian), but the Louisville LTA activity has been going on for much, much longer. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Smash It Down!/Archive, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Willie Bin Laden/Archive, and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hi-Blow/Archive, all years before Calebhughes entered the scene. It can be hard to tell who is who, but I do believe that CalebHughes and the Louisville LTA are both currently active, with Caleb usually sticking to user accounts and the LTA usually sticking to just IP's. Sro23 (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Sro23:How tantalizingly confusing! If only that elusive Guild of CheckUsers would reveal their secret knowledge. Meanwhile, this old WikiMarine will say "Block them all and let Jimbo sort them out!" Favonian (talk) 17:26, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- I must point out that the Marines' Hymn stretches it to five syllables - Mon-te-zoo-oo-ma. Or as Gomer Pyle sang it, "Mon-te-zoo-oo-mer." Acroterion (talk) 18:33, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Right, doing my 100 push-ups in the mud – Sir! Favonian (talk) 18:35, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Favonian learning about meters the hard way. - Sergeant Carter will assign KP duty at his discretion. Acroterion (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Private Pyle? Hardcore, Laurence.Get it?! ——Serial 19:03, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sergeant Carter will assign KP duty at his discretion. Acroterion (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Right, doing my 100 push-ups in the mud – Sir! Favonian (talk) 18:35, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- I must point out that the Marines' Hymn stretches it to five syllables - Mon-te-zoo-oo-ma. Or as Gomer Pyle sang it, "Mon-te-zoo-oo-mer." Acroterion (talk) 18:33, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Sro23:How tantalizingly confusing! If only that elusive Guild of CheckUsers would reveal their secret knowledge. Meanwhile, this old WikiMarine will say "Block them all and let Jimbo sort them out!" Favonian (talk) 17:26, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
2001:8004:0:0:0:0:0:0/34
Hello. I happen to notice that several IPs on a range you partially blocked persistently removes random redirects and self-reverts as part of their... well, at this point it's getting annoying, editing pattern. Looks like the replaced content pertains to music subjects. Refer to this filter. Just wanted to bring this to your attention. Jalen Folf (talk) 06:37, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
- @JalenFolf: Much as I hate to admit it, there is really nothing I can do to stop this. Blocking the /34 range sitewide will result is way too much collateral damage, the disruptive edits are spread over pretty much the entire range, and partial blocks obviously aren't feasible. Sorry! Favonian (talk) 16:59, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Sunshine
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Happy first day of summer, Favonian!! Interstellarity (talk) 19:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Rangeblocks
Hi, how do you carry out a rangeblock, and how do you find the block log for somebody who was rangeblocked? WP:BLOCK mentions rangeblock several times, but doesn't explain any of it.
I have a serial offender who is an IP hopper; their contribs may be found by inputting "2A00:23C7:DC84:8B00:*" at Special:Contributions - but if I input 2A00:23C7:DC84:8B00:* at Special:Block, I get "There is no user by the name "2A00:23C7:DC84:8B00:*". Please check your spelling." I am 100% certain that they have been rangeblocked before, more than once, so I want to give them a longer block duration - but I can't find any block log entry - if I could find that, I could at least ask the previous blocking admin.
I'm asking you because yours is the most recent name that comes up when I search Special:Log/block for the string "range". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:25, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Redrose64: The usual (horrible) syntax for IPv6 ranges is "2A00:23C7:DC84:8B00::/64", and its block log does indeed contain one item. "/64" ranges are very frequent targets of blocks per the explanation given in WP:Blocking IP addresses#Shared and dynamic IP addresses. Favonian (talk) 19:35, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
A Sock puppet you blocked is back
Hello Favonian you worked on this case before [4] and you blocked the IP of the user [5] they are back again looks like the block needs to be longer as they do this monthly.Mr.Jakub from prague (talk) 16:37, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Mr.Jakub from prague: Blocked the IP for 3 months. As pointed out by Oshwah, the case is less clear-cut with regard to the named accounts. Favonian (talk) 16:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- I am starting to see that but with the new things I added to the SPI it seems like its them for sure.Mr.Jakub from prague (talk) 16:48, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
37.212.0.0/17
I think the block you have for 37.212.0.0/17 to prevent editing of Oliver Grainger should be extended to prevent editing of Shaun Fleming and Spencer Fox. Similar pattern of edits, although it is currently just from 37.212.61.226. Thank you. – 108.56.139.120 (talk) 17:06, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- Recurring problem extending to several articles. 37.212.48.0/20 now blocked sitewide – again – this time for 6 months. Favonian (talk) 17:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
A beer for you!
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Haha congratulations! Drmies (talk) 20:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC) |
- Guess we won't run into you. :-( Drmies (talk) 23:56, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- No, the privilege of dispatching us will fall to another (beer-drinking) nation. My heartfelt condolences! Favonian (talk) 16:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)