User talk:EncMstr/Archive5

Interstate Bridge

Thanks for answering my question. So, I assume river passages take place in the early morning hours? Also, I am curious, where does traffic stop? On the bridge, or a considerable distance away? Thanks. OOODDD (talk) 21:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

No, openings mostly occur late night and midday, but this is mostly in high water seasons (spring and early summer). With normal to low river levels, river traffic can pass under the higher "hump" and not bother with bridge opening at all—a normal sight during congested hours.

Traffic stops where it encounters stopped traffic. From the north (southbound), stopped traffic doesn't make it onto the bridge since the movable span is adjacent to land on that side. From the south (northbound), the stop gates are maybe two-thirds of the way across, so traffic stops there. "Light traffic" combined with a ten minute interruption causes a mile or two of backup. At times of heavy traffic, the backup will be four or five miles long, mostly because at that point there are connected interstate alternatives (Interstate 405 (Oregon) and Interstate 84 in Oregon). —EncMstr (talk) 21:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

vandalism/3RR heads-up

Can you look at these contribs (that I reverted) and make sure I'm not smoking some 3RR crack? In other words, I'd rather not be the only one to revert him until he's blocked, especially if I'm incorrect or taking it personal. tedder (talk) 03:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

They are atypical POV pushing edits. And I see he is attempting to initiate discussion on the talk page. It does seem a gray area which cultural trends might eventually validate. Tagging his edits as "vandalism" (in the edit summary) seems a bit rash since the content seem to have a plausible purpose. —EncMstr (talk) 06:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Another editor encouraged the AGV and talk page discussion not long after I posted here, which was nice- I needed someone to step in. tedder (talk) 07:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Detroit, Oregon

You seem to know a lot about the area--so does this pic File:Img_detroitlake.jpg from the Detroit Lake article show the former townsite? If so it would make a good addition to the Detroit article. I'm letting John2165 in on the discussion as well. Katr67 (talk) 21:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. This is the Mongold OSP area, which is 1 to 1.5 miles (1.6 to 2.4 km) WSW of Detroit. The stuff about building a winter boat ramp forgets that in 2002 or 2003 the lake filled poorly so they built a half mile long road down to the water for a low water summer boat ramp. —EncMstr (talk) 05:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

This photo is of Mongold State Park. The roads and foundations in this photo are of the temporary buildings they erected during the construction of Detroit Lake. The new boat ramp is pictured in the forefront of this photo, the old road is still used to launch boats. In 2001, is the only time the lake didn't fill. This was a one time event in over 50 years of history. We are hoping that will never happen again. Because of the snow pack we had last year, we have a great supply of ground water and this will help keep the lake full this year. The old town was at the base of Piety Island and is covered by water, mud.

I posted several helpful links for Detroit, Oregon and Detroit Lake, Oregon. I no longer see them in the external links section. Can you help me figure out how to keep them there? Thanks for being interested in Detroit Lake. Check out my many photos on Panoramio photo sharing site. That link is still available on the listing for Detroit Lake, Oregon. John2165 (talk) 15:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The lenticular cloud photograph was taken in March on our way home from Detroit. It was an "Oh My Gosh" moment. We turned around and took the photo with a telephoto lens from the view point to Mt. Jefferson on Highway 22 at Detroit Lake. This photo was selected as the February photo for the Statesmen Journal 2008 calendar in Salem, Oregon. I consider it to be a perfect example of lenticular could formations. John2165 (talk) 19:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The picture of Mongold State Park new winter time boat ramp show the park during low pool. Detroit lake rises and falls 119 feet each season. The old road used as the previous winter boat ramp was flat. This new ramp will allow for boats to launch safely during the time when the water level falls below the main ramps at Mongold State Park. The foundations seen in the photo are from the temporary housing built during the Dam construction completed in 1952. The old town of Detroit is under water near Piety Island on the SE side. John2165 (talk) 19:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		A big thank you for dealing with all those vandals and deleting pages during the time non-admins couldn't edit! :) Versus22 talk 20:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

RickeyGoodling, Godblessyrblackheart

Hi,

This is just a quick heads-up to say, I'm investigating this issue.

Godblessyrblackheart raised a helpme, and has explained their version of the history to me.

I've started investigating, and I will get to the bottom of the matter, assume good faith, and try to help them to come to some form of consensus to resolve the edit conflicts and other issues raised.

I'm not asking for your input from you at this stage, I just realize that you've been involved in the matter in the past, and thought it would be good to let you know what's happening.

I'll be posting my findings on my own talk page under User talk:Chzz#User:RickeyGoodling

All the best, --  Chzz  ►  19:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Ping

Hi. Would you mind changing your block for this IP? --Kanonkas :  Talk  06:56, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe. I looked for an explanation for removing or reducing the block, but didn't see any. Do you have some information? —EncMstr (talk) 06:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

That's an open proxy. They rarely change that quickly - and this one seems to have worked for quite a while. --Kanonkas :  Talk  07:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Strange, the previous block of 3 years was apparently not effective, even though it was set in January. For what it's worth, I redid it at 5 years. —EncMstr (talk) 07:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Best regards, --Kanonkas :  Talk  07:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Criticism of Barack Obama

May you please reconsider your indefinite protection of this article from recreation? Currently, there is an AfD debate (2nd nomination) that is going on for Criticism of George W. Bush. I voted to keep and I believe the consensus will support keep. While I fully agree that unsourced criticism should not be included in a criticism article/section and undue weight not be given to a particular criticism, there inevitably will be criticism for any President of the United States. I would suspect, while there may not be that much material on criticism for President Obama currently, as the President has only been in office for 2 months, as time progresses there will be more criticism based upon policy decisions, handling of crises, potentially character issues (though I personally would doubt this to happen) etc. I don't know how the Wikipedia server works, but if you could at least move the time of expiration of protection to a couple days after the end of the AfD discussion of Bush's article and then semi-protect it indefinitely (at least until there's a good start for Obama's article), I think you'll avert any incriminations of systemic bias on Wikipedia over this issue. As I cited on the AfD, there are already articles in the global media alleging preferential treatment of Barack Obama over George W. Bush on Wikipedia. Barack Obama 'receives preferential treatment on Wikipedia', report claims - Guardian (UK) JustGettingItRight (talk) 06:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

If Criticism of GWB results in keep—which looks likely—I agree the redirect of Criticism of Obama should allow article development. I looked at several other criticism articles: Bill O'Reily, Adobe Flash, Ellen G. White. It seems most of these articles are redirects, or are AFD entries in dispute, so full protection has some justification. The GWB AFD began today; assuming it doesn't close early, March 22 is the expected discussion close date, so I'll set it to expire on March 23. —EncMstr (talk) 06:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, your solution sounds reasonable and fair. JustGettingItRight (talk) 07:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Killer Oregon COTW, its Totally Rad

Greetings WikiProject Oregon peoples. It is once again time for another edition of the World Famous Collaboration Of The Week. Thank you to those who worked on Clyde and [the lack of] Religion in Oregon. This week (as many have noticed), we have the “it was a red link” and by request Eugene Station and Heceta Head in honor of the work that’s been going on at Oregon Coast. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. On a side note, does the recent news of Portland being the unhappiest place in all the land make people there more unhappy? Aboutmovies (talk) 06:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Review photo for future article

Can you look at this photo and help me interpret the copyright position please. I emailed the Library. There are around 75 cool photos, some showing the dam construction and old town. The photos come with explanations.

http://photos.salemhistory.net/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/max&CISOPTR=3766&CISOBOX=1&REC=5 Thanks,--John2165 (talk) 23:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Obama

You should reprotect the criticism of Obama (and criticism of Bush) pages as there was a consensus to merge the two topics into the public image of articles. Thanks, Sceptre ^(talk) 10:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Oregon Government 2.0

Hi. A while ago, you expressed interest in the effort to put state works in the public domain. The central hub for that has moved to a PDX Wiki Wednesday page, and now there's a discussion forum. We have made quite a bit of progress, but we are hopelessly short on active members. If you're still interested, I urge you to get involved. Please check out the PDX Wiki Wednesday page and the forum for the progress we've made so far, and other info. Thanks! — Athelwulf ^[T]/_[C] 21:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

V is for Victory at the COTW: Brought to you by the Letter W (naming rights still available)

Hear ye, hear ye WikiProject Oregon villagers. Tis time for another edition of ye ol’ Collaboration Of Thine Week. Thank you to those who worked on Eugene Station and Heceta Head the last few weeks, may the Black Death spare ye family. This time we have a we little stub in the John Ross Tower and by request Bill Walton in honor of a pretty good chance at making the playoffs for the Blazers (sorry can’t think of a good Old English type language for that one, but if we go with Olde English 800, then the Jail Blazers could come into play). Anyway, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

criminal infobox. ma anand sheela.

Ma Anand Sheela

hi EncMstr... would you comment on this.....someone who commits a crime in the past and pays the punishments and then reintegrates themselves into society should not now be refered to as a criminal . they commited a crime in the past ..that doesnt mean you can call them a criminal for the rest of their life .. they were a criminal and they did commit a crime ....all in the past.. I want to remove the criminalinfobox if no-one disputes my comments..do you disagree with this? Or would you say once a criminal always a criminal?(Off2riorob (talk) 17:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC))

I don't know in you have such a thing as human rights here on wikipedia but in England it would be against your human rights to be classified as a criminal when you have been punished and served your punishment and been rehabilitated/reintegrated into society.(Off2riorob (talk) 17:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC))

strange tag

I note your hidden comment "strange tag for a disambiguation page" about {{WikiProject NRHP|class=dab}} tag upon Lewis and Clark Bridge dab. I didn't create the dab class for Wp:NRHP tagging of disambiguation pages, but i have been applying it widely as I develop and/or clean up dab pages that involve one or more NRHP listings. One main purpose I understand for the tag is that having the tag will cause there to be notice to the wikiproject if someone goes to delete the dab. There have been lots of previous deletions, especially on dabs having redlinks for some or many of the NRHP entries (not the case with this one). Does this help? doncram (talk) 21:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Admin function request

Due to this, could you check the speedied version and see if it mentioned he was in the legislature? Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

There is no record of it having been deleted before, nor are any revisions missing. Perhaps it was differently named at that time? —EncMstr (talk) 16:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

RfA guidance?

EncMstr- can you take a quick glance through my contribs and/or other tools and let me know what I should do to continue down a path of becoming an admin? I know I'm weak at new articles and improving to FA/GA, but is there anything else you'd suggest I work on? (feel free to tb here, or copy/paste to my talk; I follow yours anyhow) tedder (talk) 03:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

A couple things jump out:

• Your use of article talk pages is light (5.75%) by the standards of a few admin reviewers. Some prefer to see a good balance between article edits and talk page edits, like 10% talk, 50% article. However, others would see that as a potential positive as you are evidently contributing effectively and efficiently. I recommend participating in a few more discussions, even if it's to say "I agree".
• You have quite a few deleted edits: 170, or about 3.1%. Any idea why that is?

You might look for a content dispute somewhere, like at WP:ANI or WP:AN3, and offer to mediate. This is a particularly good thing to feel comfortable doing—in my opinion—since the most difficult admin decisions involve dealing with two or more good faith editors who are unable to agree.

You have an impressively diverse universe of articles you have been involved with. Nice job on that! I was (and still am) quite weak with GA/FA work as well, but it didn't seem to make any difference. —EncMstr (talk) 05:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll pay attention to the deleted edits (first guess is from all the anti-vandal work), and I'll go over to the AN* areas. The talk page thing is interesting. WPOR is what made me start using talk pages more; didn't know I was light in that area, good to know. tedder (talk) 05:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Mildred Schwab

I don't see how a member of a local city council comes anywhere near meeting WP:BIO or WP:POLITICIAN, for the same reasons that most members of, say, the Milwaukee Common Council would not. We're not talking Harvey Milk here. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't have to meet WP:POLITICIAN, that is merely a shortcut. Mildred Schwab meets WP:BIO by a mile, as the source that was in the article when you first encountered it -- a detailed article principally about the subject, composed and peer reviewed by an editorial team from a local university history department and historical society, clearly indicates. -Pete (talk) 23:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Deletion of Van Dyke Houses

I object to your deletion of the Van Dyke Houses page earlier this morning. The reason given was "blatant advertising." The page was created by a 18 year old resident of the Houses who created it for a technology and literacy program in our Brooklyn school. The page did not "advertise" the Van Dyke Houses; it presented significant and relevant information about one of New York's largest public housing facilities. The information about the filming of the movie "Brooklyn's Finest" should not be considered advertising for public housing - this isn't a condo development we're talking about, it's a place that has real import and merit to what New York City and Brooklyn are all about.

If the Van Dyke Houses page is advertising, than what must be added or removed for it to be acceptable? In comparison with other wikipages that deal with public housing (both in and out of NYC) it seems to be at least as viable.

Thanks Sooperjones (talk) 17:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

The article is well written as far as being factual and neutral. The transportation section goes a bit over the edge toward being a how-to. I deleted it because it only serves the purposes of promotion and advertising, and doesn't assert uniqueness nor notability. To fix it, add history, local, regional, or national coverage of the complex (as opposed to something which happened there), or something such as an architectural publication, etc. Any of these would go a long way to establishing notability. —EncMstr (talk) 18:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Zeus is a really cool dude and he thinks these WP:ORE articles are cool too

Greetings WikiProject Oregon guys and gals. Once again it is time for another edition of the our niche market Collaboration Of The Week. As always, thank you to those who worked on the Ross Tower and Walton. For this week we have the Calapooya Mountains and by request (and in honor of the opening) the venerable Portland Saturday Market. Just remember, if you are feeling blue, try breathing (rimshot please). Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:41, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Tigard

Amusing edit summary! All those overzealous coordinators (is that the right word?) ^Law _shoot! 04:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I think a bot may began the coord zaniness. Then a wikiproject or at least a well meaning herd of authors added the Mapit templates, as well as regurgitations of the coordinate in alternate formats. At least no one is insisting on re-adding them anymore. —EncMstr (talk) 06:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Union City

In general, the "standard format" is WP:USCITY. The reason for this one having the coor dms is that, unless I'm writing an article in it, my sandbox contains a basic layout for a community article that I use whenever I write about a community; because until I wrote the Union City article I'd not written one for a long time, I'd failed to update the layout. Once I finish the article that's incubating, the layout will return to the surface, but with {{coord}}. As for the number of coordinates: it's normal to have coordinates in the body of the article, and the standard National Register of Historic Places infobox comes with them as well. If someone comes up with more sources for the place, it can be expanded, and the coords spread out a lot more. By the way, I only see four instances: in the text, in the ELs, in the infobox, and in the top right corner; where's the fifth? Nyttend (talk) 00:26, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The fifth coordinate is visible in read mode; the coord title attribute causes one to be duplicated at the page's top right—if using monoskin. Have another read of WP:USCITY and comment. I changed it a few months ago and no one has said a thing—except for agreement from WT:GEO. —EncMstr (talk) 04:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Portals go in see also section

Here's how portals are linked in articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout

Go to the See also section. Articles are not namesakes, they're articles. "See also" section Shortcuts: WP:ALSO WP:SEEALSO Contents: The "See also" (less commonly "Related topics") section provides internal links to related Wikipedia articles. "See also" is the most appropriate place to link a Portal with the {{portal}} template.

Thanks for the pointer. I don't think any other city in Oregon links to a portal—at least in its See also section, so North Bend, Oregon is now odd. The Guide to Layout doesn't endorsement portal links: it says it's the "most appropriate" place for them. I'll ask the project about this. Continue at WT:ORE#link_to_Oregon_portal_in_city_articles.3F. —EncMstr (talk) 01:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Cite gnis vs. full citation

Oops. I don't believe it's true that the url doesn't work on the full gnis citations I've been making with "cite web". Both formats link to the same place. However, the "cite gnis" template leaves out the date and access date, and this won't survive FAC if it should come to that. If I use "cite gnis" for stream articles, I then have to add the missing data by hand. Does my reasoning fall short somehow? Finetooth (talk) 04:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

The FAQs at GNIS explain this, but basically all the URLs GNIS generates contain a session ID which, in general, expire quickly. They definitely don't work for another user, but might work for you (if you generated them) for a short while. That's why you can't bookmark or copy and paste those URLs. That's also the motivation for {{cite gnis}}. Which missing data do you mean? "Mount Whitney". Geographic Names Information System. United States Geological Survey, United States Department of the Interior. Retrieved 2009-04-15. —EncMstr (talk) 04:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

—EncMstr (talk) 04:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but they only expire if you copy and paste. The FAQs go on to explain that the way to keep them from expiring is to change the FID at the end of this sequence: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:::NO::P3_FID:nnnnnnn. That makes them permanent. I've created a large number of these by simply cloning the string and changing the FID. No one has ever said they didn't work, and a bunch of them have survived FAC. By missing data, I mean that " USGS GNIS: Rogue River, USGS, GNIS" doesn't have the publication date or the access date, and it doesn't spell out USGS or GNIS. You and I know what the abbreviations mean, but many readers don't. Finetooth (talk) 04:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD comment

Hi EncMstr, thanks for commenting at the AfD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Osho Follower, just to let you know I responded to your comment there. Cirt (talk) 11:00, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Devils Punchbowl

i) I resent the term 'stole' - Assume good faith ii) Since you feel this page should be a disambiguation, I've now linked it to the existing Devil's Punch Bowl (disambiguation) page.

Neil (talk) 09:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Stole is accurate: there was a functional redirect to a valid article which you changed to point to a different article. Thanks for redirecting to a better disambiguation. It hadn't occurred to me to look for one. Regards, —EncMstr (talk) 22:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Forest Park

Thanks again for your photos, admirably gracing Forest Park (Portland), which made FA this afternoon. Finetooth (talk) 01:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Unlinking dates

Thanks for the heads-up. I was unaware of the injunction. I have reverted my Oregon Encyclopedia unlinks, and I shall unlink no more until the case is settled. Finetooth (talk) 22:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

My interpretation of the injunction would not cover an edit like this -- here's the text of the injunction: -Pete (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

“ Temporary injunction regarding linking/delinking: Note that until the Date delinking arbitration case is decided or until otherwise directed by the Arbitration Committee, all editors are instructed not to engage in any program of mass linking or delinking of dates in existing articles, including but not limited to through the use of bots, scripts, tools, or otherwise. (Injunction in place since 11:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)) ”

An understandable interpretation. It does say not limited to. An editor who manually delinked a series of articles would obviously be violating the spirit, if not the intent of the injunction. —EncMstr (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I read that as saying mass linking/unlinking is verboten; I have been delinking during major article cleanup, but generally not editing an article solely to delink. tedder (talk) 00:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, the thing that triggered my reaction on Finetooth's edit was that it only delinked dates. Delinking dates as a minor part of other edits rubs me the wrong way, but doesn't rise to the level of a reaction. —EncMstr (talk) 01:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. EncMstr, I know from past discussions that you have principled reasons for liking dates linked, and I respect that -- it's helpful to understand what rises to the level of significant irritation.

To go on a slight tangent, if you're willing? I have little experience with formal programming, or participation in large open source projects like Mediawiki. But it has long seemed to me that there's an option that should satisfy all parties in this, and I'm curious on your take, as someone who has more experience in that realm.

Isn't there a way, without a ton of effort, that MediaWiki software could be modified to permit autoformatting, without the undesirable side-effect of linking all dates? It seems that at worst, dates could be left in plain text, and the 366 different cases (multiplied by the 3 or 4 possible formatting styles) could be more or less brute-forced; though I'm sure there are slightly more efficient ways to do it.

Or alternately, a different kind of wiki syntax could be introduced to invoke auto-formatting: for instance, you might list dates like <<<April 20>>> <<<2009>>>, which would be rendered in autoformat, but not linked.

I know that developer time is very limited; however, with the amount of strife this issue has created within the community, it seems like it would be worth finding a way to get such a change developed, if indeed it is as uncontroversial as I believe.

Comments? -Pete (talk) 01:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, I began studying MediaWiki last summer in order to do just that. Along the way, I discovered several such extensions had already been written and submitted. I'd include a pointer to them here, but I can't find them now. —EncMstr (talk) 02:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I think you are after the autoformatting section in the poll. So the issue isn't technical, it's getting the silly humans to agree to something :-) tedder (talk) 02:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

That's close, but not quite what I remember. There is an extension which recognizes non-escaped, ordinary text representing dates and autoformats it per user. I think (but can't remember for sure if) it had an escape so that literal dates (as from a quote) would not be reformatted. —EncMstr (talk) 02:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

U too can help Oregon

Howdy WikiProject Oregon folks. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week. A big thank you to those who worked on Calapooya Mountains and Portland Saturday Market, both saw some great improvements. For this week we have two great opportunities for DYKs with Brian McMenamin and Algoma, Oregon. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Oregon

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Happy‑melon 12:03, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Poke... any thoughts?

{{WikiProject Oregon/sandbox}}

It's not bad—probably tweakable; it could give a clearer indication of improper namespace. In article space, it's doing okay too, but could be clearer as well. See Talk:Clear Lake (Oregon). How would one go about fixing it? —EncMstr (talk) 18:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

rajneeshees

would plese provide a link to the assesment of the article .. or where can I find it? thanks (Off2riorob (talk) 20:20, 23 April 2009 (UTC))

The discussion leading up to the rating is Talk:1985 Rajneeshee assassination plot/Archive 1#GA review: On Hold. —EncMstr (talk) 20:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

thank you I will have a look at that and perhaps think about having it reassesed to get my concerns addressed .(Off2riorob (talk) 21:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC))

PAGENAME

So {{PAGENAME-T}} isn't necessary in the coords link to pass the pagename along? tedder (talk)

It isn't. The pagename is used by default. A sort of dual-edged niceness is to use name= to drop the parenthesized portion, but in a map aggregating many coordinates, it might make it hard to track the original article. An example of the latter is this. —EncMstr (talk) 21:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Of commas and phrases in The Far Side article

The first time you made this change I assumed it was an oversight or spurious edit on your part. Perhaps you know German? I believe that would be required in German, but it definitely does not belong in English. —EncMstr (talk) 05:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the message. Actually, it is indeed accurate in English. Please see the following Wikipedia page: Comma#Uses ... under the sub-section entitled "In dates" (which is the sixth one down). The style-rule listed (with a direct example included) is as follows: Additionally, most style manuals, including the Chicago Manual of Style and the AP Stylebook, recommend that the year be treated as a parenthetical, requiring a second comma after it: "Feb. 14, 1987, was the target date." Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC))

For what it's worth, when I was paid to edit by the state government, that was the style guideline we used. So I routinely add commas after years in Wikipedia articles, though only in the course of other editing. I don't think it's a big enough form and style faux-pas that it needs to be fixed if that's going to be the only edit in the article. And it's true that in the above example that the comma looks a little weird. Correct, but weird. Katr67 (talk) 15:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you. I also agree that this comma "issue" is not any big deal at all. I guess my philosophy is more of "if I see it wrong now, I may as well just go in and fix it right now" ... or else, the "fix" will never happen. Your philosophy is more of "it's no big deal, so I won't bother with that minor edit, if it's the only edit". So, as I say, no big deal. However, your reply did confuse me. In your second reply (the one from April 24, above), you said that you were an editor for state government, the comma style was the style that you used, you routinely add commas into articles, and that the comma looks weird yet still correct. So, I am on board with all that. However ... in your first post (the one from earlier on April 24, above) ... you said this about the extra comma: "I believe that would be required in German, but it definitely does not belong in English." I can't reconcile these two statements. Your initial statement makes it sound like the comma definitely runs afoul of your understanding of punctuation in English. Yet, in your second, you concede that you did it all the time this way, were trained to do so, and still continue such edits. What am I missing? Did I misinterpret your first post ... where you said that the extra comma "definitely does not belong in English" ...? Please reply at my Talk Page. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC))

Bring on the COTW

Good afternoon WikiProject Oregon peoples. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week, Volume 82. Thank you to those who worked on Algoma, Oregon‎ and Brian McMenamin, both saw some great improvements and are up for DYks. This week we have Mary Alice Ford and by request Waterfront Blues Festival. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Live long and phosphorous. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Starwayrestaurants

If you're awake and at the computer, Starwayrestaurants (talk · contribs) looks like a candidate for a username block if you are so inclined. There may be 3 or 4 shreds of useful info that was added to the now-an-avert Skipper's, Inc. article, so I didn't roll it all back. I'd fix it but I need to go to bed! Cheers! Katr67 (talk) 05:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

SPAM man

EncMstr (also leaving same message for Pete), perhaps you have noticed our serial spammer User talk:Chawman69 who adds SPAM across Oregon articles and has been asked to stop on many occasions? Can they be blocked for a period or, does this need to go through some sort of formal process? It is low volume, but it grows old. See also User talk:Tedder#Re: portland-area linkspam. Let me know, thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

Thanks. (Halfway to never (talk) 16:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC))

Template:Geolinks-US-cityscale

I've gone through all the articles in the main namespace that transcluded this template and replaced it by using other functionality. Now I'd like to cleanup the template page itself. I would like the code in Template:Geolinks-US-cityscale replaced with the code in User:Droll/testcases. I've created a documentation page that should display after the cut and paste. I have altered the code a bit so that error messages and such do not appear. I hope you can look over the new code to make sure I made no mistakes. If you wish to see how I cleaned up {{Geolinks-US-cityscale}} you can check my user contributions. I changed about 4000 articles using AWD. Thanks. --droll [chat] 01:32, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to understand the reason for your changes, which indeed are syntactically correct for dropping the warning message. They also remove the Category:Geolinks templates from the template, and add {{Documentation}}. Since the template is deprecated, wouldn't it be best to not produce coordinate output? Maybe be silent, or produce a replace me with coord instead? —EncMstr (talk) 06:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

The new documentation page puts it in Category:Deprecated templates. I don't feel strongly about removing it from Category:Geolinks templates, but I don't think it should be advertised either. If Category:Geolinks templates is kept it should be moved from the template page and added on the doc page according to something I read somewhere. Do what you think is best. As to your other point, either the functionality could be altered or the template could be deleted. Both of these options make me uncomfortable since it is still transcluded on talk pages and archived versions of articles accessible though "history." This would be a good topic for a policy discussion somewhere I guess but I think marking it deprecated is good enough for now. Thanks considering this. --droll [chat] 00:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

User:Pioneercourthouse

There is a proposal on WP:ANI to formally ban that idiot, now that he's branching out into harassment and trying to get other users in trouble. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 03:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's we who are the idiots, for tolerating this kind of thing. The SPI report results are not encouraging. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 11:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Camp Abbot

Thanks for editing Camp Abbot article! However, one change altered meaning little. Original text said: "The Williamson-Abbot survey party included a geologist and botanist, a physician and naturalist,..." This referred to two individuals--a geologist who was also a botanist, and physician who was also a naturalist. Edit changed text into proper list: "...a geologist, botanist, physician, naturalist,..." which makes it appear that there were 4 scientists. On other hand, all four scientific areas were represented so your version isn't wrong. Just wanted to set record straight--it was 2 scientist, each with a pair of specialties.--Orygun (talk) 04:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I misunderstood and made it clearly read as I understood it. I'll think about how to make it more accurate—or maybe you'll come up with something. —EncMstr (talk) 16:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you think of this change? —EncMstr (talk) 17:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

A user has requested comment

Thank you for requesting that for me. (Off2riorob (talk) 23:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC))

Neveh Shalom

Hi EncMster - thanks for looking in to the matter on the page a bit more. As it is, that is an interesting source. I'm guessing you're an Oregonian? - anyway if you find anything please do add. Thanks, TheFireTones 20:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I am indeed an Oregonian. It's been more than a few days since I did something with it; would you provide an article link: I don't remember which article it was. —EncMstr (talk) 21:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing, it was this one (but don't be compelled to do anything) Neveh Shalom Synagogue (Portland, Oregon). Thanks, TheFireTones 15:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh that one. It was only five days ago, but it seems like months.... —EncMstr (talk) 15:23, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Home Birth

Thank you for your intervention. We were starting to rip our hair out. We will do our best to work with the anon to make consensual changes. Gillyweed (talk) 23:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm keeping an eye on the article for awhile. —EncMstr (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

XOXOXO - Oregon loves you, now love Oregon back!

Greetings to WikiProject Oregon folks. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week. A big thank you to those who worked on Mary Alice Ford ‎ and the Waterfront Blues Festival, both saw some great improvements. In honor of the great weather, we have our Semi-annual Great Oregon Picture Drive for this week’s collaboration. You can go out and take a picture, or search for a free one on the Internet, or in some cases remove an old request. See the bottom of this page for some links to a variety of free sources. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

More Pioneercourthouse

Thank you for blocking that one article Pioneer Courthouse just now. I wonder if the other two he attacked today should also be protected. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 04:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Which, by the way, he's attacking right now under yet another new sock (which I turned in to AIV). The other two articles are Pioneer Place and Pioneer Square, Seattle. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 04:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Definitely need Pioneer Place protected. Feh. tedder (talk) 05:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Dang! I missed it. I was reading the Signpost. Thanks for the alert. —EncMstr (talk) 05:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

You mentioned "rats" in the edit summary. Don't give that twerp any ideas. :) Thanks for protecting. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 05:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Let me know if you'd like any assistance with WP:ABFIL. I've had some moderate success in that area and would be happy to help. Wknight94 ^talk 16:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm something of a regex god. Can you share the filter? tedder (talk) 07:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep. See your email. Bugs helped do the heavy lifting on history of the data, so I've copied him too. —EncMstr (talk) 07:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 08:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

E-mail

I just sent you an e-mail. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 06:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

And another one. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 06:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

And one more. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 07:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for submitting the sockpuppet investigations. The behavior is the same as seen in the past, as are several of the characteristics of phrasing and formatting. I will probably not reply further, and wait for the result. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The posts on AN/I are interesting. It made me think of the "coworker" post on ANI not too long ago. We should really collect this information to a subpage (perhaps on WikiProject Oregon?) so that people can get up to speed quickly on it. And what's the next step? Has an IP block been tried? tedder (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I am unable to find that "co-worker" nonsense in the archives, yet I thought it only happened a few days ago. Maybe I didn't look back far enough. But that's the same M.O. as today, and one which he has used on the Pioneer Courthouse Square page also. But it always eventually circles back to wanting to post that one nonsense item. A very persisent vandal. The only one I've seen more persistent, in my narrow experience, was on the Rick Reilly article, where some guy kept pushing the same paragraph of some kind of gossip, for like four years, before the article was finally protected. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 21:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Found it - Explainingpioneer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who posted this [1] at ANI. I think someone deleted it from ANI before it got archived. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 22:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Started a page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Pioneercourthouse sockpuppet saga. tedder (talk) 22:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

This kind of runs the risk of violating WP:DENY. Actually, might it be better to just have it on the PCH sockpuppets category page? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 22:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

DENY is kind of out the window when he contributes to ANI threads, isn't it? My goal is to be able to deal with him in a lower-energy way. Instead of re-explaining the situation every N days when it happens again and new editors pop up, we have a FAQ to do it. Category page isn't a bad idea, maybe I'll move it there after a bit. tedder (talk) 22:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I suppose so. I'm rather miffed that someone zapped it from ANI so that it didn't show on the archive and I had to go hunting for it. Then I got yelled at for stashing that info in the SPI archive on that guy. They are a little too eager to close the SPI's on that guy, given that he's showing up almost daily now. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 22:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, they are closing SPI to fast. (check out my sockpuppet saga page now- I've updated it substantially) tedder (talk) 22:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the more appropriate home for the saga data would be at WP:LTA --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) I'd second adding it to WP:LTA--I mentioned the situation a while back ago on the LTA talk page but didn't get any response. I guess we just need to be bold. Katr67 (talk) 18:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I have a housekeeping request. Can an admin please find the template on User talk:Opertof that is including that page in Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Pioneercourthouse and delete the code that is doing that? User:Opertof is already in the cat, so no need to have it in there twice. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done Check your email in a moment; I'm addressing your other comment.

(unindent) I'll move/copy the saga page to LTA eventually, but I'd prefer to wait a week or two until it really becomes 'mature'. Is that okay with everyone? tedder (talk) 21:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Continued sockpuppetry

FYI: He seems to have already found a way around the filter. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Blah blah blah, Oregon COTW

Hello to members of the WikiProject o' Oregon. Once again it is time for the Collaboration Of The Week. A thank you to everyone who participated in the Semi-annual Great Oregon Picture Drive, we added a lot of pictures. For this edition we have by request Mr. Maurice Lucas of the Blazers, and a maintenance type project with the Dab Patrol. For the later, pick any Oregon disambiguation page (mainly common city names) and use the "What links here" feature to find any stray incoming links and direct them to the correct article. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Peace out! Aboutmovies (talk) 07:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Pioneer

Am I seeing this correctly? It seems like the filter is disallowing edits that simply have the word "pioneer" in them. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 09:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a little more complicated than that. It has specifics which trap the behavior of our buddy. —EncMstr (talk) 16:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

10-4. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 03:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Johannes Maas Missionary

Thank you so much for your kind help in when to sign my name. I am a Thai lady with limited English, but am slowly learning how to contribute to Wikipedia. So many university students in Bangkok use Wikipedia for their English papers. We appreciate all your contributions. Jackie Jackie-thai (talk) 22:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

CDC Cyber

After having looked at your userpage (I have looked at it) I guess that your points are valid; but the issue here is about the commercial nature of the page the ext. link point; and I think that there's a huge difference between a $50 shareware and $12,000+ commercial software, no matter the uniqueness of the site content. (hope to have explained enough the concept)

To be clear, I have nothing against the business hardware legacy support market, but I feel that if through WP the developer of this emulator sells even one copy of his software (at $12,000+ , mind you..) it's a questionable exploit of the WP, at least IMVHO.

Also, the wording of the ext.link should be reworked: how is now, seems to imply that it's a link to some free/open source software; perhaps substituing with something like "commercial emulator site with info and links on the CDC cyber" is more appropriate ?

On a more personal level (nice to meet you !) I was surprised that an Oregonian has visited Italy, and even learned Latin ! Admittely I grok than Oregon isn't backwards like Ozarks and deep AL, but still seems to me an surprising thing....

Ave atque Vale,
dott.Piergiorgio (talk) 13:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

P.s. Admittely my Latin is a bit on the rusty side....

What do you think of leaving the link, but labeling it "premium commercial emulation software" or something semi-NPOV—but descriptive—such as that. I had no idea it was so expensive, but I can understand why they assume they have a captive market. Hmmm.... On the other hand, that would be a really fun product to write.... hmmmm....

Yes, I had a deep scientific bent in high school so took two years of Latin, presumably so I'd understand botanical naming conventions. I expected Latin would be much more helpful than it was navigating solo around Italy: I was deeply disappointed how useless it was in spoken form. In written form it is of course very helpful decoding all the European languages without any specific study. My circle of friends are very well traveled in Europe. I'm a laggard (relatively) getting to Asia. —EncMstr (talk) 20:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Cannabis

You are invited to join WikiProject Cannabis, a WikiProject dedicated to improving articles related to Cannabis. You received this invitation because of your history editing articles related to the plant. The WikiProject Cannabis group discussion is here. If you are interested in joining, please visit the project page, and add your name to the list of participants.

From one WikiProject Oregon member to another, I thought I would send you this invitation. I am not sure if you worked on the Cannabis in Oregon article only for being related to Oregon, or if you are interested in cannabis-related material too, but I wanted to let you know about this new WikiProject just in case. The purpose of this new group is to improve articles relating to cannabis, including drug policy, cultural aspects, legislation, activists, strains, organizations, medical benefits, decriminalization, effects, etc.

Also, this brand new project is in need of expert assistance. If you are familiar with upgrading WikiProjects to include assessments, Collaborations of the Week, Recent Talk/Changes pages, DYK and Awards sections, templates/infoboxes, etc., feel free to offer any help you can!

If you are not interested, no problem--keep up the great work at WikiProject Oregon, and best wishes! --Another Believer _(Talk) 01:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Admin task

Could you email me the contents of User:MIDNME/Altman Article or put it on a subpage for me? I want to see how close the version is to the final product as part of a sock investigation. Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

It is restored as 4 revisions by copying and pasting to User:Aboutmovies/MIDNME. —EncMstr (talk) 16:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much sir. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: coord adjustments

Greetings, see my talk, Thanks!--Trashbag (talk) 16:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Kite Man Says beware of powerlines

Hello to those who participate in WikiProject Oregon. Once again it is time for the Collaboration Of The Week. A thank you to everyone who participated in the Dab Patrol and improvements to Maurice Lucas. For this week we have Oregon company FLIR Systems, and a maintenance type project with the FA Update Drive. For the later, pick any Oregon FA class article and read through it to make sure it is still up-to-date. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. I like frogs. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Date delinking

Thanks for the warning. I apologize for the mistake--I did not even know there was a debate regarding date linking. I simply thought it was standard practice not to. Since it sounds a bot will take care of the problem should consensus reach that links should not be linked, I will be sure not to do it myself in the future. Thanks again! --Another Believer _(Talk) 05:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

About deletion of Bonello reference

Dear editor: Please note the erased reference about Audio Amplifier is Peer Reviewed because are published at the Journal of AES. Either way please let me know what are your objections and I personally will rewrite it for the Wikipedia entry (that is very poor as you probably knows). Please you can reply to me in this page if you prefer Regards RodolfoMita

Question

I need help with something. I can't really seem to find any articles that need help, so all I can do is revert vandalisim, add hyper links, or add periods. Are there any articles that actually require some help?Owl 2-Talk to the birds...

I made an article! Thank you for the help!Owl 2-Talk to the birds...

		The Original Barnstar
		Thanks for helping me out!

Thanks for the help! I appreciate it!Owl 2-Talk to the birds...

bonehead = me

Please check your email - hoping you can help. And, sorry. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Near as I can tell, the filter is working perfectly. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 23:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. It is working quite well. Barek, I'm doing as you requested right now. —EncMstr (talk) 23:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Say no more! (Nudge-nudge, wink-wink) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 23:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Except maybe offline. I just sent you a note. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 23:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Boz rates the day a Perfect Ten

Greetings and salutations to members of WikiProject Oregon. We hear bye announce another Collaboration Of The Week. Thanks to anyone who participated in updating any FA articles and for the improvements on FLIR Systems. This week we have two requests: former Blazer Sidney Wicks, and a key historical event with Oregon land fraud scandal. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Article about Richard L. Hay (scenic designer)

I posted the article about Richard Hay and today saw a message that stated it was proposed for deletion. When I went to look at the article I found that you had removed the {{dated prod}} notice, and I saw your explanation. Is there anything else I should be doing? Do I need to provide more evidence of his notability? Or provide other sources? Thanks for your help (and removing the deletion notice).JanetFA (talk) 20:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever PRODed didn't complain. Oh, it was Tedder! That's odd. I often work with him on a variety of issues.

Yes, please expand the article with additional independent sources, the more reliable the better. See reliable sources for the special meaning Wikipedia has for "reliable", and WP:BIO for why that's important. Also, if you have contact with him, maybe he or you could upload a portrait? See the WikiProject Oregon blog entry I wrote for a guide to doing that. —EncMstr (talk) 21:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Huh, here I am stalking EncMstr's page and I saw my name come up. I prodded it as he looked to be of borderline notability, but EncMstr's objection was enough for me to realize that was not true. In any case, just make sure the article is presented from a neutral point of view, so it doesn't look too much like an advertorial for him. tedder (talk) 21:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I'll work on other sources, neutrality, and a picture.JanetFA (talk) 23:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for protecting my talk page from those silly vandals! --Brad Polard (talk) 19:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. I forgot to remove your page from my watchlist—it sure lit up suddenly. —EncMstr (talk) 19:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Your Offer of Help

Hello. There is a big block of text on my Talk page offering me your help. Probably a form letter, but even form letters have meaning....

• I'm trying to make the Jesus article neutral in the spirit of an encyclopedia. Can you help?
• The quote attributed to Walt Whitman on your home page should be attributed to Thoreau. Noloop (talk) 19:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Jesus is bound to be a contentious article. I looked at the discussions and you appear to be doing a good job of presenting your arguments, though it looks like few are persuaded. You could try requesting comments at WP:RFC, but such a discussion is either likely to be overwhelmed by sheer numbers of people, or attract little interest due to the the potential for being contentious. You might have better luck focusing and/or organizing the sub-articles with full consensus. If done just right, that could make the main article easier to farm out with {{main}} or {{seealso}}.

I had trouble tracing the originator of the quote. Both seem to have said it, and were contemporaries. Do you have a date Thoreau wrote it? —EncMstr (talk) 20:32, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

oops, I was misremembering. Thoreau said...

I heartily accept the motto, -- "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, -- "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have.

So, the motto predates him. It turns out the Wikipedia is a good source... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Disobedience_(Thoreau)#.E2.80.9CThat_government_is_best_which_governs_least.E2.80.9D Noloop (talk) 02:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Any thoughts on how to deal with this problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anti-Americanism#Middle_East It seems to me it's almost a liability issue, since the sources are being misrepresented. Again, the person who is reverting me isn't really addressing any points. Or so it seems to me. Noloop (talk) 03:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Regarding this edit

I removed the sentence because I believed it didn't belong in the lead. It kind of stuck out in the lead, as one sentence, not being part of a paragraph. I realize an edit summary would help sort out any confusion. TechOutsider (talk) 22:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

User:WikiMemoryBot

A new user named WikiMemoryBot has recently appeared on Wikipedia and copied your user page, including the {{admin}} template. Is this you on a secondary account, or an impersonator? -- Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 00:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with me. I don't know of any connection or path crossing. —EncMstr (talk) 05:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. The user has turned out to be a pretty obvious vandal and probable sockpuppet too, but I think I can handle it from here. -- Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 18:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

uploading photos

You left a message on my talk page about a photo I had uploaded of Richard L. Hay (scenic designer). I have permission from the creator of the photo to put it into the public domain. I found the upload screen confusing and I guess I didn't do it right. Can you help me correct this? Thanks for your help.JanetFA (talk) 17:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Mount Hood

I read your recent change to the article and I feel uncomfortable with the part that says "avalanches are a common hazard on other glaciated mountains". It seems to imply that they are not of concern on Hood. The danger is seasonal it is true but I believe slab avalanches are possible at any time. I think there is a danger in misleading climbers here. I think you wanted to say that other dangers are more likely to factor into an accident. Thanks for your good work. --droll [chat] 01:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. It's meant to say that the perception of avalanche danger is out of proportion to reality on Mount Hood; only a few percent of climbing deaths are attributable to them. The last entries describe the first slab related accidents in some years. —EncMstr (talk) 06:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject State Legislatures

Hello Encmstr, I started a new WikiProject called WikiProject State Legislatures and I heard you might want to join. Thanks --ilamb94 (talk) 04:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Signpost interview

Greetings! I will be conducting a group interview with WikiProject Oregon members for the Signpost. Peteforsyth suggested that you might be interested in participating. The interview will be taking place here. Instructions can be found on the interview talk page. Hope you can participate! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 15:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words, and for your contributions to the interview! The "group interview" thing seems to be going pretty well, it's nice to hear what's important to everybody. -Pete (talk) 01:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Heceta Head Light

Thank you for your comment regarding my recent addition to the HHL page. As there was nothing regarding the legends of the lighthouse, and I had noticed pop culture references in other entries on Wikipedia before, I had assumed that the information had simply been overlooked. I won't bother to resubmit it. Pythoness Mar (talk) 19:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Hot outside, so stay inside working on the Oregon COTW!

Hello to WikiProject Oregon folks, and get ready for another Collaboration Of The Week. Thank you to those who worked on the land fraud scandal and Mr. Wicks. This week we have one by request, Central Oregon, and a gnomish task, the Great Infobox Drive of '09. For the infobox drive, just find some articles without infoboxes and add one. People and companies are two prime areas as many do not have infoboxes, yet infoboxes exist for those areas. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Main page

I just noticed that Forest Park (Portland) will be "Today's feature" on the main page on July 31. I'm not sure how it was chosen, but there it is. I thought you'd like to know since the whole world will be admiring your photography. Finetooth (talk) 04:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

/admin list

Moving this to User talk:TedderBot/AOP; hope you don't mind. tedder (talk) 06:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey! You stole my text! (I got lots more where that came from.)  :-) —EncMstr (talk) 07:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, Mr. COTW

Howdy after a long message absence to those of WikiProject Oregon. To answer a common question, no you did not get removed from the COTW notification list, I was just too busy to send out the notification for the last change. So, thank you to all those who helped improve Central Oregon and Mount Jefferson, as well as those who added infoboxes and adopted a governor. For this edition of the COTW, we have partly by request and in honor of the return of college football, Duck football and Beaver football. If you are a fan of neither, maybe go back and work on a governor or add infoboxes this time around. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

SPI

Concerning this SPI case, this is not how you file an SPI case. If you have a list of sockpuppets, please give it to me, along with your evidence, and I'll do it for you. A single checkuser request with no evidence will not be actionable, as it would be a fishing attempt, and checkuser is not for fishing.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 08:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

No fishing intended. Somehow I didn't find the proper way to file an incident. I thought I remembered a template sets up the fields which is why I saved early. I think it's straightened out now. Thanks for the quick response! —EncMstr (talk) 08:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

In EncMstr's defense, if I recall, the SPI process is a bit Byzantine, that's why I didn't file one. Thanks Enc! I have a question re: this, but I'll e-mail you. Katr67 (talk) 15:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

AbuseFilter

Please see Wikipedia talk:Edit filter#Filter Cleanup, a filter/filters which you were the last to edit is/are on the list of filters that I identified to disable. Please comment there if you do not want this/these filter/filters disabled. Prodego ^talk 18:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

sock

While you're in a blocking mood, you could do Sfagadgad, who I am certain is a sock. Notice he only attempted one edit, a "test" which the filter blocked. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 06:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done. I looked at it before but for some reason didn't block. —EncMstr (talk) 07:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Danke. What a useless nuisance that guy is. I sometimes wonder, if we had let his original post stand, 3 years ago, whether he would have gone away. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 07:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Insert profound knowledge and wisdom here with wacky side effects

Greetings from WikiProject Oregon. First, thank you to all those who helped improve the Ducks and Beavers football teams. Second, now on with the countdown. For this edition of the COTW, we have by request Portland Hempstalk Festival and Munson Valley Historic District. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:09, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Buckminster Fuller

Hi there,

Thanks for your note. The reason I made the edit to the Buckminster Fuller page was that I found the claim that he was "one of the first to propagate a systemic worldview" to be completely senseless without further contextualization -- and the wikilinks did nothing to help. Surely he is not among the first million people to propagate a systematic worldview. I thought the paragraph that follows nicely elucidated what the writer may have meant, so that the article was only strengthened by taking out this rather grandiose and vague phrase.

Obviously I'm new here and don't know anything about etiquette -- is this sort of change inappropriate, or is the problem that I needed to explain myself somewhere?

Thanks, L. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilipatina (talk • contribs) 20:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: your message: That makes total sense -- thanks for taking the time to explain. I'll be sure to always make a note on my edits in the future! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilipatina (talk • contribs) 21:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Please re-block!

Greetings EncMstr - I saw that last year you blocked User talk:206.76.136.21 for a year. That block is now up and he/she/they is/are back at it. Please consider re-blocking (or whatever other suitable action is available for such cases). Thanks. --Technopat (talk) 21:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

So far the damage is minimal. If they continue, I'll block. —EncMstr (talk) 23:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Cursed edit conflict

Ya beat me to the cleanup at Tillamook County Creamery Association! Katr67 (talk) 00:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Goodbye summer, hello Dolly!

Hello WikiProject Oregon member, it is time for another Collaboration of the Week. First, thanks to those who helped out the last few weeks improving the Portland Hempstalk Festival and the Munson Valley Historic District articles. This week we have by request Rasheed Wallace and the Oregon Zoo. The later should have lots of recent news with the new/old exhibit opening. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:15, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Portland demography

I have worked up four alternative tabular presentations for the Portland, Oregon demography that include the additional information that was reverted. You are invited to have a look and comment here. YBG (talk) 04:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Sea Lion Caves

I can't spell "accommodate", but I do have a college degree...so hopefully you won't have to hit your head against a wall. :) Hiya, you know more about images than I do--what's the ruling on galleries in articles? Sea Lion Caves seems to have a few too many images (although they are lovely), and perhaps some aren't quite closely related enough. I'm a wee bit dubious about the copyright on some of those too, unless the editor is representing the company. I don't really want to decide which pictures to ruthlessly hack out--maybe you can help. Thanks for taking a look. Katr67 (talk) 23:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The usual complaint about galleries is too many similar photos. These all seem to be surprisingly unique, as there are only so many ways you can photograph sea lions. Perhaps the dubious ones could be dispensed with, and some of the others could be embedded in the article. →Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 23:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

/admin page

Here's my robot-generated version of the Oregon/Admin page: User:TedderBot/AOP/admin. Thoughts? Should be almost exact.. tedder (talk) 04:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

BTW, I'd appreciate replies going here: User talk:TedderBot/AOP#/admin list is up. If nothing else, having your blessing would be nice. tedder (talk) 04:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Nudge, waiting for you to update the /admin list so I can compare my version against it. I will do the comparison, of course.. tedder (talk) 18:23, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. How about we target tomorrow evening sometime so you can run your collection and I do mine at about the same time? —EncMstr (talk) 19:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Tomorrow night is busyish for me. Perhaps during the day Thurs or Fri? In any case, it shouldn't be too hard, because I just have to fire off a script around the same time as you, I can do the comparison later (if I'm short on time). tedder (talk) 21:10, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

How about 3:30 pm tomorrow? —EncMstr (talk) 22:57, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Yep, that'll work. Talk to you then, eh? tedder (talk) 23:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done I finally found the source of duplicates. It was due to the slow responsiveness of Windows copy operation leading to pasting twice without any visible difference than one paste. I think it's pretty clean now. I'm quite interested in the results of the compare! —EncMstr (talk) 01:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Bigfoot trap

Sorry that I had to nominate it for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bigfoot trap Northwestgnome (talk) 05:32, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Is that a device similar to what they use in a snipe hunt? →Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 05:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Merry Columbus Day 2 all and 2 all a goodnite, beware of large windstorms bearing gifts

Greetings fellow WikiProject Oregon member, time to uncork a fine wine as it is once again time for the Collaboration of the Week. As always, thank you to those who helped out the last few weeks improving the Oregon Zoo, the Rasheed Wallace, Willamette Bridges, and the Vanport articles. This week we have by request Jim Paxson and Films shot in Oregon. The later can easily be improved just by adding some sources. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. And with Halloween fast approaching, remember that pennies really suck as a “treat” and you can expect toilet paper and or eggs on your residence for your “trick”. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

{{GeoGroupTemplate}} re List of rapids of the Columbia River

Is there any way to make this template function for each section alone? such that the map would only come up on a local area, not the whole line of the Columbia; it would be much more useful if it could....please reply on Talk:List of rapids of the Columbia River..Skookum1 (talk) 04:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Temperature-ranges work now

On 11 June 2009, you had requested support for ranges:      -Wikid77 11:53, 22 October 2009

• {{convert|101|to|109|F|C}}       gives: 101 to 109 °F (38 to 43 °C)
• {{convert|101|to|109|F|C|1}}    gives: 101 to 109 °F (38.3 to 42.8 °C)

See: Template_talk:Convert#Temperatures ranges working for logical options. -Wikid77

Excellent! Thank you very much. —EncMstr (talk) 18:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

On the Foster Dam page, you clarified my references. Thanks, I didn't know how to do that. It helped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.204.226 (talk) 04:27, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Tax revolt in critical care at a hospital near you

Hello fellow WikiProject Oregon member, once again time for the Collaboration of the Week in the land of Oregon. As always, thank you to those who helped out the last few weeks improving List of films shot in Oregon and Jim Paxson. This week we have by request Oregon tax revolt and not by request, the annual Hospital creation drive. For the later, I have laid out some sources here, and the remaining red links are all over the state, so you can find one near you! As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. May the wind always be beneath your wings. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Need a ruling

Can you shed some light on this debate: User talk:Katr67#reqphoto? Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 18:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Bradley State Scenic Viewpoint - bad expression

An earlier edit of Bradley State Scenic Viewpoint has left a "expression error" error message in large red letters. I do not know what the problem is, hopefully the edit summary will attract someone to fix it.

Tabletop (talk) 06:08, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Paul West is also faulty

Page Paul West (footballer) is also faulty, but since I do not know how to fix it I will try to think of a method that makes it easy to find such problem pages.

• "(badword)" Key word to search for ?

• [[Category:Problem page]]  ?

• {{coord missing|Tanzania}} is already being used to mark pages with missing longitudes/latitudes, though I do not fully know how it works.

Tabletop (talk) 10:01, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I've rescued the infobox for Paul West. The facts in it almost certainly need fixing.

Where are you seeing a missing Tanzania coordinate? It's certainly not in Paul West. —EncMstr (talk) 10:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

admin2 results

Can you look at my comment and reply there? User talk:TedderBot/AOP#/admin2 results tedder (talk) 03:50, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

PS, the section immediately above that is waiting for a signoff too. tedder (talk) 03:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

*taptaptap* tedder (talk) 23:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I've been distracted off-wiki. I replied to all the hanging conversations I could find. Did I find them all? —EncMstr (talk) 01:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. You got 'em all. I'll reply over there for the sync times. tedder (talk) 01:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

*taptaptap* again. I think I'm ready to replace /admin and /admin2 now. tedder (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

It's sunny out, quick take a picture!

Greetings to WikiProject Oregon folks. It is time again for another installment of as the Collaboration Of The Week Turns. A big thank you to last time’s guest stars who worked on Oregon tax revolt‎ and creating hospital articles, we had 3 DYKs off the hospital articles createdd. This week is the star-studded affair of the Semi-annual Great Oregon Picture Drive, starring EncMstr. You can go out and take a picture, browse through Commons for an existing one, or search for a free one on the Internet, and in some cases remove an old request (or even add a request to an article that has no images). See the bottom of this page for some links to a variety of free sources. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

gentle reminder..

Waiting on you for the final signoff before I send the bot through WP:BRFA and turn it on. tedder (talk) 04:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Aaaaaaa!! I haven't forgotten, but got mired in details trying to prove yours is correct. I think I have the correct revision of your algorithm's output to compare now. —EncMstr (talk) 19:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Newschool skiing AfD

Looks like it is getting some powder there, time to shred. (Actually I am surpised that you, as a ski instructor, have never heard that term...) SYSS Mouse (talk) 02:33, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

OES survivors

No problem - actually, immediately after I made my "two survivors" edits, I did some more research and realized that there were two more students who abandoned the climb early, and so I reverted myself on both articles. My reverts went through successfully, but now I don't see them, only yours - I guess I confused the site. - Brian Kendig (talk) 19:42, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

PayLess at Sprouse-Reitz for your G.I. Joe's, brought to you by Troutman's Emporium and Frederick & Nelson

Hello WikiProject Oregon member, and seasons greetings. Here at Collaboration Of The Week we thank you for your efforts making Oregon better, at least on Wikipedia, and hope you are doing better than Joe's. Or, in the eloquent words of some marketing manager for another now defunct Oregon chain, Merry Christmas from PayLess... Merry Chriiiistmaaaasssss!!!

Now that pleasantries have been exchanged, thank you to those who worked on the last two collaborations, the Semi-annual Great Oregon Picture Drive, and Oregon Country Fair and Geoff Petrie. For this edition of the COTW we have Gambling in Oregon and NRHP in Washington County. The hope for the later is to fill in the last few images (5) and then see if we can make it the first NRHP list in Oregon with an article for every entry (need 27). As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:59, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Heads up

Please see Talk:Ma Anand Sheela. Off2riorob (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has a history of tendentious editing, exemplified again at yet another article on the topic of Rajneesh. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 12:17, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

oregon wind

Hi, I should have changed the ref etc. but I wasn't sure where to find the rest of that info. I got the Oregon as 5 info from here [[2]] FourTildes (talk) 01:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC) Yep (: I'll be less haphazard next time. FourTildes (talk) 02:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your kind comment about my work on the article Ma Anand Sheela. It is most appreciated. Thanks again, Cirt (talk) 06:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: coord parameter removal

Perhaps we've got conflicting notions about the purpose of some of the {{Coord}} parameters. The intent of my edit to Crystal Ballroom was not to imply that it is 600 meters in diameter.

My belief is that the purpose of dim: is to set the scale for maps of the geocoded object or region.

In the case of large regions like cites and lakes, the dim: value will bear a close relation to the physical extent of the region. But in the case of small objects like individual ships and buildings, it's desirable for maps to show more context, so the dim: value may be substantially larger than the physical size of the object. In the case of the Crystal Ballroom, a map that shows only the building is of very little use -- it's much more useful to show the building in the context of surrounding streets.

If the elevation: parameter was ever documented for use in the English Wikipedia, there ought to be evidence of this somewhere. So far, I've not seen the evidence. If a proposal were made to add such a parameter, I'd want to see arguments to the effect that the benefits of adding the parameter would outweigh the costs. Also, I'd want some guidance on whether/how to geocode the elevations of such things as skyscrapers, satellites, and confluences. --Stepheng3 (talk) 00:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Bend Amateur Athletic Club Gymnasium

Can you fix the coords in the infobox? Here's the link to the template: Template:Infobox nrhp. I don't know why they don't link or display in the title. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 21:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

May your stocking be stuffed with barnstars and DYKs. Finetooth (talk) 05:19, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

One last time for 2009

Happy New Year to you, you WikiProject Oregon member! Tis the season for one last Collaboration Of The Week to get started this year. Thank you to those who worked on Gambling in Oregon and NRHP in Washington County the last few weeks. For the final COTW of 2009, we have Archiving Article Talk Pages and Mr. Standard TV & Appliance, Bill Schonely. For the archiving, we have a lot of old, stale comments on article talk pages from before 2009 that should be archived away, so that new comments are not added to things that either were addressed or not worth addressing. Personally, I archive anything older than a year. Anyway, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Adios. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

reminder on /admin

Waiting for you on the /admin and /admin results. I think they are good to go, but waiting for your blessing before taking it through WP:BRFA. tedder (talk) 01:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done Congratulations! It looks good. —EncMstr (talk) 17:39, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Cannabis in California

Hey there! Not sure if you contributed to the Cannabis in Oregon article a lot simply because it was related to Oregon, or because you have an interest in working on cannabis-related articles, but I am currently in the process of expanding the Cannabis in California article. If interested, feel free to stop on by and contribute in any way you see fit. There is probably much more on the topic in California, so hoping the article can be expanded greatly in the near future and eventually reach Good status. Best wishes! --Another Believer _(Talk) 02:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. Some of the material in the Oregon article can also go in a California article. I'm mostly interested in Oregon topics and barely edit any others. —EncMstr (talk) 17:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Appeal

Hello EncMstr, please could I request your help for a moment, there is a certain editor User:Dbachmann being very uncivil toward me and harrassing me. I'm very concerned with his behaviour toward me, as you can see on my talk page and his, and the article History of Iraq. I noticed you are an eguor admin and appeal to you in confidence. Izzedine 14:11, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I briefly looked into this. While Dbachmann has been rather abrasive to you, it's not clear whether s/he overstepped civility. Sorry, I don't have time to dedicate to exploring this further. —EncMstr (talk) 17:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Edits to HVDC

The party in question holds eccentric views and has failed to discuss the matter over the last several months. Get someone with competence in AC transmission to review the case, please. The fact tags are unwarranted on the article and I've tried to rephrase the disputed passage to placate the other party. --Wtshymanski (talk) 04:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps appeal to any relevant WP:WikiProjects as well as editors who have previously made major improvements to the article? If other editors establish consensus, then it is clear where the project is. It also helps you avoid using 3RR reverts. —EncMstr (talk) 04:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that'll work. I'll just run down the edit history and talk to the guy who's done the most edits to the article. No, that won't work, he's obviously a dangerous nutjob who can't be trusted. How about the gpeople who've added the most references, or done the most for organization,or rewritten butchered machine translations into English,or who have been working on it for 4 years, or who've actually *seen* an HVDC system up close? No, all those people are the same dangerous hothead. 500 editors, most of whom have made 1 "contribution" and I expect many of those are vandals or hyphen-tweekers or bots. Any other helpful suggestions? I'm sure we can put the question to project:electronics, who will be happy to get to it right after they finish their discussion about resistor color codes. Projct:energy? nope, not their thing either. This is a critical weakness of the Wikipedia system, viz, inability to screen out nonsense from facts since there aren't enough subject matter experts around. Thanks ever so much for your tremendous help here. Or we can just let the bogus tag stand forever, after all, it won't be the only article that's visibly untrustworthy. --Wtshymanski (talk) 05:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I see what you mean: this article has a very colorful history. In the process of describing the issue to several editors who appear to have subject matter expertise, it does seem to me that the sentence in question is unsupported:

Controlling power flow in a multiterminal DC system requires good communication between all the terminals; power flow must be actively regulated by the inverter control system instead of the inherent impedance and phase angle properties of the transmission line.

In your last revert, you wrote revert bad-faith edit; look at eqn. 14-56 page 14-37 of "Fink and Beaty "std. hndbk. for ee". How about putting <ref>...</ref> around that in place of {{cn}}, and fully fleshing it out? —EncMstr (talk) 16:41, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Right now I don't think even if I put a reference in here that the other party will understand it. Screw it all, there's 3 million articles to edit and each one of them has at least one mistake bigger than this. Editing on the Wikipedia is like mopping a spill on the Titanic. --Wtshymanski (talk)

Understood. I've added a best guess citation based on your comments, and will watch how that sits.

I don't agree that Wikipedia resembles the Titanic since there's really no way for it to sink. But dodging icebergs can seem problematic at times. Thank you for your good work. —EncMstr (talk) 01:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC

Two logic errors.

AC <> DC

Limit or capacity is not regulation,only an upper limit.

Also it does not explain what is required for control or regulation of frequency and or voltage (island application) and phase control for stability.

Wdl1961 (talk) 12:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Oregon COTW v 3.0.2010ish

Greetings WikiProject Oregon team member. Time for the first new Collaboration Of The Week in 2010. Thank you to those who worked on Bill Schonely and archiving talk pages. For this week, we have Concordia University and the Berry Botanic Garden. Hopefully we can mine the garden’s website before it closes down. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Cheers and stuff. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:46, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

admin and admin2, here we go.

The AOP bot task was 'speedy' approved, I'm going to have it update the 'live' /Admin and /Admin2 in just a minute. I'll monitor it, but wanted to give you a heads up. tedder (talk) 03:17, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks good! Nice work. That's nice not to have to do again. —EncMstr (talk) 04:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm assuming it's right, the diff was so large it crashed Firefox a few times while I tried to load it tedder (talk) 06:07, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I had some trouble with it too. Eventually got the built-in diff to show it all, but the fancy diff gadget crashed Firefox. Chrome had a harder time with the straight diff, and hasn't completed after 5 minutes. —EncMstr (talk) 06:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Just Out, COTW does well in new decade

Howdy WikiProject Oregon folks, time again for the latest installment of As the Collaboration Of The Week Turns. Last week was one of the more successful COTWs in recent memory as we really worked hard as a community to improve Concordia University and Berry Botanic Garden. Both are now at least C class articles and nicely illustrated (thanks to Tedder, Finetooth, and Ipoellet). Plus it really was a group effort as we had five different WPORE editors work on the garden and ditto with the school, with some overlap between the two.

Anyway, this week, we have by request the completely unrelated Just Out and Terrell Brandon. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. This message paid for by Fooians against COTW killing taxes. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Billion

Please be careful with adding interwikilinks to billion. Previously, bots have messed up everything. Billion is a disambiguation page, so strictly only interwiki's to other disambiguation pages are desired. What might be considered is adding interwiki's to pages in other languages with both numerical meanings of billion, such as [:simple:billion], but even that is strictly not correct (see also the russian wikipedia, which has both a disambiguation page on million and a page on the numbers 10^9 and 10^12. KKoolstra (talk) 10:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I agree. I thought I had linked it to a corresponding German disambiguation. Sorry for the inconvenience. —EncMstr (talk) 22:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

CCC disambiguation

Hi there, why did you delete: Commonroom Cinematic Culture Club, an association of cinematophile students at London School of Economics with a paticular taste for German humor. This club is real, financing is coming in and we will soon create a website. Thanks! Tobias --(—Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.143.120.133 (talk) 11:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Refer to the notability guideline. A Google search reveals little worthy of note. Whether the club is real or not does not affect its notability; reliable sources and being able to verify them is what counts. —EncMstr (talk) 22:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I undid your revert because...

Please read [[WP:MOSNUM where it says not to use IEC prefixes like KiB, MiB, GiB.203.125.91.42 (talk) 03:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I've raised the issue at the talk page. Let's continue at talk:NTFS. —EncMstr (talk) 03:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Peniche

Good catch on Peniche. However, I think your User talk page warning was a little off -- I think this is someone from her management company, I don't think libel is the concern so much libel as WP:NPOV. Might want to clarify that. -Pete (talk) 22:40, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it was a little off. I didn't see the warning for COI nor for copyvio. Given that I had just a few seconds before doing something else, I punted. Still, the editor knows we're watching. —EncMstr (talk) 23:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Fair nuff! Thanks again. -Pete (talk) 07:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Malin, Oregon

This made me smile. Thanks for reverting though. Katr67 (talk) 21:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

TFD closing

It seems that when you closed this TFD you deleted the template before removing all the transclusions. If you aren't going to de-transclude it yourself you can just list it in the "To orphan" work area (but don't delete until this is done). Just keep this in mind for future. –xeno^talk 20:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

TUSC token d570def912df082951515e12b04e8efe

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account! —EncMstr (talk) 16:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

NTFS 3.0 / NTFS 5.0

All right, but "NTFS 5.0" (with win 2K) is also used, e.g.:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/186750 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Van Rijn (talk • contribs) 21:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is—confusingly. However, within Wikipedia, it is (or should be) consistently using the numbers the filesystem actually puts in its version field. —EncMstr (talk) 22:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I really enjoyed reading your page...

...and thank you so much for the welcome back, too.Duff (talk) 06:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle

Thanks, I've looked at Twinkle, but it looks too complicated. Woogee (talk) 03:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't let the capabilities fool you. Just enable it in your preferences (under Gadgets, the second-to-last in Editing Gadgets), save and forget it. When you find yourself editing someone's talk page, there will be a ``warn`` tab up alongside ``history``, ``move``, ``watch``, etc. Click on it. It's actually quite simple. The complexity in the documentation is mostly about making it behave in nonstandard ways, or enabling it when it was first introduced. It's now very simple. —EncMstr (talk) 04:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. Woogee (talk) 04:11, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Block Extending for 220.255.0.0/16

Hi, can you please extend 220.255.0.0/16 block? I think it is too short because he/she has done more vandalism than you have seen.--DailyWikiHelp (talk) 10:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

One month affecting up to 64,500 sites seemed like it might be too long. The vandals at those locations affect a great many articles I watch. Indeed, I did look through hundreds of contributions lists in that range. Alas, many of them are good edits. When/if vandals return, I'll extend. —EncMstr (talk) 17:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Userpage Shield
		Thank you for the help with protecting my, and others, user pages Bhockey10 (talk) 21:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Misty Fiords/Fjords

You might be interested to weigh in on a discussion going on at Talk:Misty Fiords National Monument#Name of the Monument is Misty Fjords since 1980, since you were the one to rename the article from "Fjords" to "Fiords" last October. —Ipoellet (talk) 22:10, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Oregon COTW and randomness

Greetings fellow WikiProject Oregon member, it is once again time for the Collaboration of the Week (yes, I know they are not actually every week anymore). Thank you to those who helped out the last few weeks improving Terrell Brandon, Just Out, 75th Oregon Legislative Assembly, and all the unreferenced BLPs. This week we have by request Oregon Coast Aquarium and Arvydas Sabonis (maybe the Blazers can sign him as I think he's healthy). Both need more sourcing. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. And remember folks, the only thing we have to fear is death and taxes, unless of course the dingo ate your baby, at which point you may feel the need, the for speed to get away from said dingos, which in turn can lead to a failure to communicate due to the dynamics of sound waves, though at some point hopefully we can all just get along. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Proposal for all templates which display coordinates in the title line

It has been proposed by Stepheng3 that {{Infobox mountain}} use the {{coord}}'s {{{notes}}} parameter to display a link in the title line to a bottom note. See an example here. I invite you to join the discussion is at Template talk:Infobox mountain since I know you are interested in geography related topics. It is proposed that this style be adopted by all templates which include coordinates. –droll [chat] 10:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Usability of GeoTemplate

Comments on the usability of {{GeoTemplate}} (the page listing mapping services found by clicking on coordinates in articles) are invited, at Template talk:GeoTemplate#Usability redux. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Visual edition of the Oregon COTW featuring the Glass Palace

Hello WikiProject Oregon member, time for a new edition of the Collaboration of the Week. Thank you to those who helped out the last few weeks improving Oregon Coast Aquarium and Arvydas Sabonis. Also thank you to those few of you helped with the attempt to celebrate Women's History Month with Barbara Roberts and Ursula K. Le Guin.

This week we have by request the Memorial Coliseum that has been in the news a lot lately, and then one of the more important political figures in our state's history, Douglas McKay. The MC needs some ref work and EL work, and McKay really needs a lot more sourcing. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

		The COTW award from WPOR.
		Thanks for leading the way in last week's Collaboration of the Week! For your work on the OC Aquarium, good job. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:23, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

For cleaning up my grammar on the Maggie Gallagher article. I appreciate it.--DCX (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Maggie Gallagher Bio- Why do you keep removing reference?

I am not sure why you keep removing the reference and then leaving a "citation needed" note. Can you please advise if I am doing something wrong instead of simply removing it and leaving nothing? The quote referenced is in the Washington Post article I am referencing. Thnx--DCX (talk) 06:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, got it.--DCX (talk) 06:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't recall removing any citations. When I get some spare time, I'll fully format and refactor the citations that are there. Thanks for your efforts on this poor abused article. You've made a major difference in balancing it! —EncMstr (talk) 15:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Citation and note-taking preview on the desktop?

Thanks for the very helpful welcome message! Perhaps those useful links should be posted for every newbie.

I'm taking notes for a new article, and basically putting a bunch of quoted passages into sections as I find them, with the citations added as a reflist.

Is there a way to preview my notes on the desktop, or is the sandbox the best option for editing? A wiki-display desktop software of some sort? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djembayz (talk • contribs) 15:28, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, most every time I happen across a new editor, I welcome with that very message. There are hundreds of others doing so as well.

As for creating a new article, once there is enough material to clearly describe the article's subject—so others can identify the topic—and sufficient citations to demonstrate a notable subject, you should create the article. Often just one or two sentences is sufficient (see some of these for examples). There are hundreds of thousands of such stub articles and they are useful to help expand Wikipedia. Being not complete is actually a reason to create the article so others can help expand it.

Don't worry about mistakes. Any reasonable attempt to write about the topic is good enough. Then observe how others add elements you didn't know about or how to do. Perhaps, in a few months, you'll be helping other beginners. I see you are doing much excellent work already. Keep it up, and thanks! —EncMstr (talk) 17:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

Since you worked on the Cannabis in Oregon article, I just thought I would let you know that Peregrine Fisher started the article Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010 in case you are interested and may wish to contribute. Thanks! --Another Believer _(Talk) 17:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Gregorof

thanks for reversing the blanking of my userpage and the personal assault on Talk:Pacific Northwest. I had a look at his usercontributions and it seems he's just resurfaced after a two-year absence; was that a block, by any chance? I'm wondering, given the viciousness of the new attack, and the blanking of my userpage, whether this is worth reporting on the Noticeboard for vandalism? Haven't seen anyone else attacked, so far, but .....Skookum1 (talk) 15:45, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

No, he's not blocked. I considered it, but past contributions suggest this is anomalous behaviour—maybe a compromised account. If he continues, I will block. —EncMstr (talk) 16:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't attack anyone else because every other individual I have met on WP is kind. Like I said originally Skookum, you are the reason I stopped making contributions. The virulence of your personal attacks, calling me ignorant, calling me an east coast Canadian with no right to contribute to PNW (even though I am from BC), violates WP rules and is just straight mean.

EncMstr, honestly I mean this, I am very sorry for getting you involved, and more generally am sorry for engaging in that. I apologize. I just opened up the talk page for PNW for the first time in two years and saw that surprise surprise Skookum was still being a bully on the topic (read our archived discussing if you like, he somehow even managed to anger a very kind individual who tried to mediate and resolve the conflict between us). Anyways it really angered me, seeing that he is still on to this behavior, and as a result I snapped out and wrote something very inappropriate. It won't happen again. But neither will my contributions. Thank you. GREGorof → ^talk 00:24, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Albany, Oregon

I saw you removed the notable residence I added I am not disputing this but trying to figure out why it was removed and how to add this in if it is of any importance. iTLaPD was founded here in Albany and the by its two creators. Is this not of signifagance on either the founders origin or the holiday itself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.75.130 (talk) 19:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Notable residents must have a Wikipedia article which should be wikilinked. The biographical article should mention the subject's association with Albany, whether born, raised, working, etc. and should be cited by a reliable source.

Most Oregon articles have a notable persons section and contain a reminder which is visible when editing. For example, click on the section edit at Corvallis, Oregon#Notable residents.

Thanks for your work on the Albany article. You've made substantial improvement over what it used to be. —EncMstr (talk) 20:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the information its helpful to get some insight in to how it all warks as I am still learning all the ins and outs of Wiki. I'll see if there is enough information on the two to really make a worth while start to articles for them. Thanks for all your help and I'll keep seeing what I can do to improve upon the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.75.130 (talk) 20:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Hardman, Oregon

Could you lend your superior simple English wordsmithing and diplomacy skills to this article? See the talk page about the confusion regarding the local place names and the past/present-tense debate. I extend the offer of typing out the OGN entry verbatim to you, if that will help. (Can't find a plagiarized version of the Hardman OGN info online anywhere, alas.) Besides the confusing history, I'm also concerned about the tone, but that might be the wine talking (this time a Blaufrankisch). Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 02:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Ouch! The first glance at the discussion and the page hurt my brain. I'll need to pump up to tackle it. It looks like a worthy challenge to understand it all, particularly how to approach the ghost town aspect in a way everyone will be happy with. —EncMstr (talk) 04:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

User page?

Hello- is there any Wikipedia article or Internet location in which I can find all of the "Unique Attributes" as you have listed on your user page? For instance, you have listed:

SEAThis user contributes using SeaMonkey.

Please reply, Optiguy54 (talk) 19:55, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know of any comprehensive collection, but many can be found beginning at WP:UBX. —EncMstr (talk) 04:40, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Optiguy54 (talk) 19:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Also: I've found this after a bit more research. Seems like this is just the thing. Optiguy54 (talk) 20:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Please respond to my question on my talk page, EncMstr, ASAP! --Shyguy1991 (talk) 21:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

It Takes a Rim Village - Oregon COTW

Greetings WikiProject Oregon member, time for the next edition of the Collaboration of the Week. Thanks to those who assisted in improving a few articles over the last month. For May Day edition of the COTW (in Wikipedia time its May already), we have by request Rim Village Historic District and the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (AKA OMSI). Rim Village just needs some refinement to get to GA, while OMSI needs a lot of work in general. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Adios (on May 5th that is). Aboutmovies (talk) 04:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

FYI

You seemed to have annoyed somebody. Check the deleted edits. Ivo Josipović (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:35, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Assistance request with an engineer

Hi. I picked you as a random admin in Category:Wikipedian engineers.

I'm looking for someone to help assist a famous engineer (unconfirmed, but likely), with the editing of Wikipedia. All the details can be found by a quick perusal of his contributions and his talkpage (See the pre-blanked state in this April diff, and this May diff). I'm hoping you could either help him out, or help me find someone else appropriate to do so. I'm watchlisting everything, so reply/act wherever (and please let me know if I've done anything terribly wrong, so far :) Much thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Another admin recommended I ask User:Peteforsyth for assistance with this, and I have done so. This note to let you know, so that the new editor doesn't get a double (triple) batch of advice :) -- Quiddity (talk) 04:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

(fundamental tenets, not fundamental tenants ;) -- Quiddity (talk) 00:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. —EncMstr (talk) 04:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Block notices

Hiya! Regarding User talk:Fullsailbrewing -- please don't use that template that says Your username is the only reason for this block for editors that also have severe conflicts of interest; in this case, the editor's contributions are exclusively to Full Sail Brewing Company ‎ , which should be a pretty obvious sign of a COI. It only confuses the editors in question, and creates extra work for other admins who then have to explain why simply changing their name isn't sufficient. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 17:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

No warnings were given for COI issues, and there's no real problem with COI editing if policies and guidelines are followed. tedder (talk) 17:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Good luck with that. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 18:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

The user's standing edits aren't obviously non-neutral; the edits OrangeMike reverted seem even less troublesome. Perhaps I'm assuming too much, but upon review, I think my message was appropriate. —EncMstr (talk) 19:22, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

redlinks

Oh ok i didn't know. thanks for informing me. Pro66 (talk) 19:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

External Links? - or just plain References

Hi - I'm a newuser so apols if this Q seems dim. Virtually all articles I have viewed list a References section and, immediately underneath, an External Links section. Wiki is an online animal and therefore all references are De Facto external links. So whats the point of listing External links? Seems like tautology to me.

When I become sufficiently competent to submit whole articles, I think I wont bother with an External Links section, but I would appreciate comments on the matter.

Thanx - Markdask (talk) 17:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

See the external links guideline for a full answer, but briefly:

• See also has wikilinks, links within the English Wikipedia, of topics related to the article, but not closely related. For example, a city park might have a See also for another city park similar in some way, like designed by the same person, but is not otherwise in the article text describing the park.
• External links are a few chosen external links which enhance the topic description in a way that would not be encyclopedic. A good example is in Central Park for the Central Park Police Precinct. That probably leads to a deeper understanding of the concerns of crime from a law enforcement point of view: helpful to gain a better picture of Central Park, but probably not neutral enough to be used in the article.
• Citations (listed under References) often contain external links, but they directly support what is written in the article.

Is that any clearer? —EncMstr (talk) 21:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes indeedee - I've bookmarked Central Park as a template - wonderful article - ty Markdask (talk) 04:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Lol when I said "wonderful Article" - I wasn't referring to the syntax. Markdask (talk) 16:04, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for reverting and protecting the Diane Downs page. It seems like some people think anything is fair game for addition. No one seems to get that she placed the child up for adoption and that child's privacy should be respected, here, at least. Thanks again. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Ignore all Rules

I was in the middle of an intelligent conversation - and this strap came up saying - "ignore all rules".

Any ideas? Markdask (talk) 21:25, 12 June 2010

Yes, it's a Wikipedia policy—more than just a guideline. See WP:IAR. —EncMstr (talk) 04:31, 13 June 2010

(UTC):Thanks........Markdask (talk) 05:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Conrad Shindler House page

Hi, FrankieRae. I did create that page but only to move it out of the Shepherd University page that it was overwhelming. Sorry I can't be of more help. Naniwako (talk) 16:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Caruthers Bridge

Because there's no need for it to simultaneously be filed in both Category:Planned or proposed bridges and Category:Proposed bridges in the United States. Bearcat (talk) 23:45, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I figured it could be something like that. Thanks. —EncMstr (talk) 01:14, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

TruthfulPerson

While it's true that edit warring doesn't require a 3RR violation, I hadn't seen her edit since my 3RR warning at 17:30UTC. Premature block, maybe?--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Considering the user's history of contentious edits, there is no doubt she is being intentionally disruptive. It's only 12 hours for a cool down period. Once that expires, she can choose to 3RR and hit the electric fence. —EncMstr (talk) 17:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction issue, 2010

I'm asking for your interference, since I'm meeting an unreasonable user, see, he's deleting my work, what I did is that I fitted items into table formats, as it'd be easier for other users to add items and items in table format are better perceptive than without. He's impeding my progress of creating tables. And as I'm processing it, I also sorting items out like adding separate sections for films, television series, novels etc. And he destroys it everything! I don't want edit conflicts, so come and make things clear. Now I'm just blocked from improving article. Userpd (talk) 18:31, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please discuss the issue with all other editors on the the article's talk page. Your revert You aren't helping, dude isn't helpful enough to foster collaboration. Rather than revert it, please find common ground perhaps by adding examples (a sample table with a few rows) on the talk page. Using edit summaries like don't remove the table aren't helpful; instead, use the summary to express why you think your edit is an improvement, or reference the pertinent guideline. —EncMstr (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The user claimed he did not add material, but as you can see he did [[3]]. He has also liste his last two undoo as minor edits, even though htey re-instate deleted material [[4]] & [[5]]. This is why I deleted his work. He has tried to add material whislt claming (and hiding the fact) that he is not.Slatersteven (talk) 19:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me that your main goal isn't to resolve the issue, but to toss up accusations as more as you can. In your first link, and generally, I have only added "The Faculty". Everything else was before. I will be repetitive, but like I said I was just fitting items into table format, which is much better than just "raw" list of items. Userpd (talk) 19:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunatly this has now been pushed in to an edit war, and dangerously close to breaching 3RR. I think this may need arbitration as there seems to be no possibility of compromise.Slatersteven (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Let's try protecting the page for a few days. See if you can work out some consensus. —EncMstr (talk) 23:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

A susgestion has been made that we only include fiction that an RS has caled apoclayptic. That seems to me resoanble, also I do not think consensus can be achived aas the other party admits that his inclusion criteria are based on assumptions of what happen (in other words OR). Perhpas you should explain what OR means.Slatersteven (talk) 12:22, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you can offer some advice. The debate seems to be going round in circles. Mainly it would seem because (if I am correct) that Userpd does not accept that assumptions about undeveloped story arcs are OR. He even seems to agree that the film we are debating does not in fact feature an apocalypse but that one might have developed later.Slatersteven (talk) 20:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Albany, Oregon

Hello EncMstr,

I have seen you edit on Albany, Oregon before and I am looking for so slightly more expert advice on what to do with it next, what I can do to improve it. I have added alot of material to it and need people to look it over and tell me what would make it better. I am still very new to the Wiki process and I think fresh eyes would help me make it a better article and maybe get it to B-Class.MathewDill (talk) 06:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

How do you...

Thanks for contesting John Sellwood by the way and I'd like to ask how do you contest a deletion?BGinOC (talk)

You're welcome.

There are several ways an article might be suggested as a deletion candidate, and that method determines how one contests deletion. In the case of John Sellwood, it was done via a WP:PROD, a lightweight procedure where one tags the article; if no one untags it, it is deleted seven days later. The heaviest duty process is WP:AFD where the article is tagged and a discussion page is opened and interested editors give concise reasons for keeping it, deleting it, or other actions like merging or redirecting to an existing article, restructuring and/or renaming it, or other ways to salvage the content. The most lightweight deletion procedure is WP:SPEEDY where an administrator deletes an article if it unarguably isn't fit to remain. See the deletion log for practical insight. —EncMstr (talk) 04:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.

I just wanted to say thank you for the Barnstar placed on my page. :) --Surv1v4l1st ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 04:03, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. Back when I had more free time I uploaded quite a few photos. I would have done thousands if it had been easier to complete. Thanks again. —EncMstr (talk) 04:23, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: John Sellwood

The creator has had a month to come up with credible sources that discuss the subject in significant detail, as WP:BIO requires. Do you know of any such sources yourself?  RGTraynor  04:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Offhand, I couldn't find any sources online, but I was slowed down by it being a very common name in Australia and Britain. I bet Oregon Geographic Names has coverage more than ample to satisfy WP:BIO. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy, but I'll see if another WP:ORE member can help out. —EncMstr (talk) 05:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Coalman Glacier

Please see my comments at Talk:Coalman_Glacier#Name?. Thanks.  –droll [chat] 18:17, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

A change from 2008

Hey EncMstr,

I am trying to understand this change of your's from 2008. It essentially places Chimaltenango into the incorrect department, and thus appears in no way correct. I'm just trying to understand to ensure am not making a mistake, but I believe the prior coordinates were fully correct. Let me know if you have any questions, comments, or concerns.--173.58.234.169 (talk) 22:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I made a series of changes around that time like that one whereever minutes or seconds were greater than 59. Rechecking, it looks like I did it correctly, and it should not point to a different place on the globe than it did before, though the denormalized form caused difficulties for some of the mapping services. —EncMstr (talk) 06:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Main page Random Article button should be split

Hi guy

The existing button throws up a lot of unworked articles that might detract from the occasional visitor's appreciation of Wikipedia. If the unworked articles were filtered out of the Random Article portal, and a second button created - Random Edit - thru which all articles can be accessed, the occasional visitor could then randomly read without having to, (pardon the humour), flounder in the sea of Wikipedia's unwashed laundry. I've emailed you in more detail.

Does this idea have legs? Thanks in advance for your comments.

Markdask (talk) 10:39, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

The idea has some merit. The argument for seeing random articles chosen from those rated highly is self-evident. The ability to randomly see anything probably helps inspire to more to become editors thinking, Heck, I can write a better article than that.

There are three places to suggest this idea. It will require a software change to fully implement similar to the current implementation, so a feature request at Bugzilla is appropriate. General discussion of technical issues is appropriate for some aspects of this at the technical village pump; general discussion of the concept is appropriate at the proposals village pump. —EncMstr (talk) 17:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Wonderful - thank you for the referrals - I will take it there. The Heck argument is a little tenuous though, because as many casual visitors might equally think Heck - Wikipedia is woefully amateurish.

Thanks again Markdask (talk) 01:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Bull Run River (Oregon)

Thanks for the kind words and for your help early on during the talk page discussion about how to separate the general water bureau stuff from the river stuff. The separate water bureau article has potential for at least GA, I think, but needs more tender loving care (TLC) and images of tanks, towers, and other contraptions. Finetooth (talk) 23:54, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Portland Parks Photo Blitz!

	<font=3> Want something to do this weekend? I propose a WikiProject Oregon weekend photo blitz! Let's try to fill up the List of parks in Portland, Oregon as much as possible by getting out and taking our own pictures or finding ones online that can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. The pictures uploaded will not only benefit the aforementioned list, but they will be used for future articles about specific parks and will fill up the Parks in Portland category over at Commons. Get your cameras ready! --Another Believer (Talk) 20:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Electro Scientific Industries

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

elevation parameter

I've started a discussion at Template talk:Coord#elevation: parameter that may interest you. I'd welcome your participation and input. --Stepheng3 (talk) 22:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Welcoming

thanks, but actually, i did get a welcome a while back, its archived. i will use this opportunity to revisit the welcome template, looking for previously glossed over information. thanks for taking the time, it does make working here more pleasant when people notice each other.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome. I looked briefly at your talk page history and didn't see a welcome, but mostly I was motivated by your comments here. —EncMstr (talk) 01:20, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Need assist to email

my recent proposal on village pump, to alter random articlebutton has been well received. A fellow editor has agreed to collaborate on a bit of research but I dont know how to email him on here. Our email is enabled and he requested my email but what now? Sorry if this seems a dorkish Q but then, I am a dork. Mark^Dask 13:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Bring up the user's talk page or user page, and look at the toolbox section at the left side of the page. For example, you should see it there now for my page. E-mail this user (near the middle of the list) is rather buried, but it should be there if they have email set up and enabled. —EncMstr (talk) 15:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Mount Jefferson

Thank you for fixing. Somehow, I mis-read the altitude of the mountain. I was going to mention that Trillium Lake is also visible in the photo, except there seems to be another body of water on the left side (unless it's fog) and I don't know what its name is. Too much detail anyway. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:45, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

craigslist article edit

I changed the article craigslist edit 'links' to 'full citations' today, the references now appear to be correct. Thank you for your comments and offer of assistance.Wikirjd7 (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Mount Hood photo

Sorry I had to revert your edit to the caption in the infobox for Mount Hood. I compared the profile of Mount Hood when viewed from the two lakes using satellite imagess and the images on the pages for Trillium Lake and Mirror Lake. The profile of the mountain corresponds with views possible from Trillium Lake. The image page at Commons gives the coordinates of the photographer when the photo was taken. I could be wrong but I don't think I am. –droll [chat] 17:42, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I understand your confusion. The description seems right from many aspects. However, a couple weeks ago I visited both sites (Trillium + Mirror) to compare the view of Mount Hood. The most identifying is Little Zigzag Canyon as I express on the commons talk page (see especially my link to the topo map). The photo is definitely from Mirror Lake. —EncMstr (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Photocell

[6]

Are you still holding to this opinion? I'd agree that some photocells are only usable as cryogenic detectors, but these are normal photoresistors. And, on the other end of the spectrum, vacuum photomultipliers are photodetectors but who in sane mind woul call them photocells ? The original redirect to either photoresistor or light-dependent resistor was correct and should prevail. East of Borschov 22:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

My opinion hasn't changed. Per the article naming guideline, which reasonably affects redirect names, the common meaning of photocell is:

a solid-state device that converts light into electrical energy by producing a voltage, as in a photovoltaic cell, or uses light to regulate the flow of current, as in a photoconductive cell: used in automatic control systems for doors, lighting, etc. [7]

This goes on to give the two synonyms electric eye and photoelectric cell. The latter redirects to solar cell, which seems unexpected. Since the common definition of photocell means either a voltage-producing device or a variable resistive one, photodetector seems the most appropriate link.

If you aren't convinced by this logic, go ahead and change it. —EncMstr (talk) 00:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah, the least competent "source" always has the greatest weight. Hope it isn't "quoted" too often. East of Borschov 00:16, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Bill Naito

Thanks for the compliment and fast assessing. Your edits were helpful, and your point about that phrase in the lead was well taken. And I should have reviewed the MOS section on overlinking, to refresh my memory (I hadn't read it in months), before wrapping up, but I knew that that was something that could be easily tidied-up later, by me or someone else. SJ Morg (talk) 20:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the fine work. It was a pleasure to read and I learned quite a bit about Mr. Naito. —EncMstr (talk) 20:52, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

craigslist

but we are chatting about it on talk pages, and i have made edits to remediate the issues the other editor has suggested, however he does not think its even worth mentioning the dating/casual sex part of craigslist and is ignoring the sources, how can we get more feedback?THISBITES 23:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisbites (talk • contribs)

The talk should be on the article's talk page, not on your user pages. Wikidemon provided the courtesy of notifying you on your user talk page, probably because you seem to be a new editor. —EncMstr (talk) 23:57, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Who said that?

I noticed you when you recently reverted a likely silly posting in the Pesto article about an "Arthur Pesto" inventing the classic Italian sauce. Your request for a source was well called for, since Internet searches turn up a very few hits on this name, all in the US and having nothing to do with Genova.

I did note the phrase at the bottom of your page: "The best government is that which governs least" (I am doing this from memory so I hope I got it right). I would have lost the bar bet because, like many, I thought that Thomas Jefferson wrote the original phrase (often given as "That government is best which governs least", which scans better). So far as I can see, your attribution to Walt Whitman is valid.

However, in researching this, I did see that the Monticello.org website believes that there was a source for this phrase earlier than Whitman - The United States Magazine and Democratic Review, whose editor wrote in 1837, "The best government is that which governs least."

So, the Whitman attribution is correct, but I figured that given that your background is so similar to mine (computer programmer, foreign language student, and owned by cats), you'd like to see the earliest instantiation of the expression...or not ;-)

William J. 'Bill' McCalpin (talk) 15:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Interesting! When I quoted it, I had some trouble getting past popular opinions of the matter. I glanced at your source, but didn't see the DR editor's name. Any idea what it is? —EncMstr (talk) 19:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the reminder. In the future I will be sure to always use edit summaries.Magister Scienta (talk) 18:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

International Museum of Carousel Art‎

I'm the fastest newpage patroller in the east - didn't you hear? :-) Happy to be of help; excellent article, and happy editing! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Wow! I guess you are. Thanks much! —EncMstr (talk) 21:53, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject United States

Hello, EncMstr/Archive5! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

--Kumioko (talk) 15:44, 4 January 2011 (UTC)