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DYK for Timber Creek, Northern Territory

On 18 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Timber Creek, Northern Territory, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Gregory's tree (pictured), near Timber Creek in Australia's Northern Territory, bears inscriptions by 19th-century explorers and is registered as both a heritage place and an Aboriginal sacred site? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Timber Creek, Northern Territory.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Thanks...

...very much for the barnstar. If it wasn't for people like yourself crating articles then I would have nothing to do. Thanks again. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 16:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Inverell railway line

Hello Dfadden, I just wanted to let you know that I took a look at your recently created article Inverell railway line-- This image is real great. However, I noticed there are some holes that may need filling: the article contains grammatical errors. It would be great if you could also add references to the related article Mehi River.

It's always nice to see users contributing to make Wikipedia better!Amy Z (talk) 19:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Interview

Hi Dfadden,

I recently sent you a message about the Inverell railway line .

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Thank you. I am unsure of where I will be in the interviewing process in two weeks. But I will contact you again then to let you know. Thank you, Amy Z (talk) 18:06, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Australian Roads

Hi Dfadden,

I notice that you have created some Australian road articles. I have recently started up a new project for Australian roads, with the goal of improving Wikipedia's coverage of Australian roads – currently the vast majority of articles are stub or start class. The project pages are located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian Roads, if you want to take a moment to look around, and join up if you're interested. Thanks, Evad37 (talk) 13:31, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Hi Dfadden, Thanks for update to the Canberra building list I started. If you know of any more new additions be good to put them on the list.CHCBOY (talk) 21:34, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just curious...

...how did you manage, in this diff, to delete the string "ort" in the middle of a word of an unrelated paragraph? :) Regards, No such user (talk) 13:31, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for picking that up. I was editing on a smartphone and sometimes it does strange things. May have inadvertently tapped the screen before hitting backspace or something, honestly I'm not sure. I didn't notice the problem on the preview screen or I would have fixed it! Dfadden (talk) 01:01, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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JETGO Edit

ICAO issued Jetgo's 3 letter designator "JGO" and the international telephony designator "JETGO" on the 25th July ICAO Doc 8585/169 refers — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulBredereck (talk • contribs) 05:48, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your JETGO edit.

Although these comments might have been reported in local media at some time, they are very misleading… and frankly are nothing more than gossip. Just because I happen to have a family interest in the Dubbo area and I have a casual chat to the Dubbo Mayor… the rubbish about JETGO flying to Dubbo gets printed.

The fact is JETGO cannot operate regional air routes within NSW from Sydney due to the cap on regional slots, so any talk about JETGO flying to Dubbo is just nonsense.

Actually most of the current JETGO page on Wikipedia is crap:

The correct facts are:

“JETGO is a Brisbane based charter airline. JETGO is the only operator of 36 or 50 seat passenger jet aircraft in Australia. JETGO took delivery of its first aircraft in March 2012 and obtained its Air Operators Certificate from CASA in May 2012. JETGO (as of May 2013) had 3 x 36 seat Embraer ERJ-135LR jets (VH-JGB, VH-JTG, and VH-JZG) in service on mining and tourism contracts, as well as ad-hoc charter with a 50 seat Embraer ERJ-145LR scheduled to enter service in September 2013 (the 145 is currently undergoing C check, paint and other mods in the USA). In December 2012 JETGO submitted an application to CASA to upgrade its Air Operators Certificate to include Regular Public Transport.”

IATA code is: JG There is no ICAO code Callsign is: Jetgo (This was assigned by AirServices Australia and all domestic and international flights operating on a JG flight number, which is 99% of our flights, use the "Jetgo" callsign) Company was founded: 25 January 2010 (not 2011) The company’s incorporated name is: JETGO Australia Holdings Pty Ltd Headquarters are at Brisbane Airport, Brisbane, Australia

Key people are: Jason Ryder (CEO) Arron Mulder (COO) Paul Bredereck (MD Airlines) Andy Goodsall (Head of Flight Operations) Bruno Bucetti (Head of Maintenance)

PaulBredereck (talk) 23:24, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Avalon Airport Page

DFadden thank you for your message and notes. The feedback is appreciated and I wondered if we could collaborate?

I am a novice Wiki user and whilst I have read the guidelines, I may not know as much as you.

The information on the Avalon Airport page is the most up to date and factual. Much of what was contained on the old page was out of date, untrue, or incorrect.

Granted my writing could be more succinct so your edits or suggestions in this area would be welcomed.

Please indicate where you think the information is promotional and I will rewrite.

Thanks

Amelie100 (talk) 23:22, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Amelie100, I am more than happy to offer some advice to help you become a better editor, and you will find much more (and probably more qualified) advice by signing up to projects which you are interested in, for example WP:AVIATION where contributors regularly collaborate and discuss content to improve and refine.

As to the Avalon article, if you have a look at the page history you will be able to see the edits by User:Gavbadger, an experienced contributor. On the "view history" tab, there is a function which will allow you to see your edits side by side with revisions to compare the differences. As for an example of promotional content, under the subsection General Aviation, Gavbadger has removed text which read and offers competitve landing and parking rates to aircraft operators. This may be the case, however this statement is inherently biased and is not in the style of encyclopedic content. Many contributors would agree it reads like an advertisement because it is not a neutral point of view - the rates may be "competitive", but according to whom and by comparison to where? See WP:PEA for a clearer explanation of what I mean about bias and "puffery". I am struggling to get it right sometimes too - see Palmerston Shopping Centre, a short article I created which is bordering on reading like an ad. And make sure you add lots of in text citations from a variety of reliable sources - all information on Wikipedia must meet Wikipedia:Verifiability criteria or it will likely be removed by someone pretty quickly, and you may get a reputation as a vandal. Original research is a no-no, everything must be backed by published sources. The more the better!

A reasonable example of an airport article for a similar sized airport would be Newcastle Airport (New South Wales). I made a few major edits to this, including the History and Facilities sections, but it is a collaborative work by many contributors to refine and keep it up to date. An airport article which meets Good Article criteria is Chicago Midway International Airport.

And a few last tips, when editing do not change or remove any {{[[Template:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]}} tags when editing unless you are sure you know what you are doing. These usually contain tables, summaries, notifications for other editors and are there for a reason. Remember that quantity of content does not necessarily improve quality of articles. Sometimes less can be more. Study the Manual of Style, read an article's talk page before you edit and PLEASE reference as many sources as you possibly can with in-text citations.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, and again for getting involved. I hope that like me, you will find editing Wikipedia to be a rewarding and educational hobby, although it can be very time consuming and frustrating at times with all the rules and criteria! Dfadden (talk) 11:30, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your article submission Weddell, Northern Territory

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It's now here. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 12:16, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A7

A7 is not applicable to inhabited places, which are invariably kept at AfD (perhaps sometimes merged) if they can be verified. See WP:NPLACE for more info, iffen ye liketh. Wily D 10:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2012 DH-84 Riama Crash

Just thought you may be interested that the final ATSB report on this incident (PDF: 2.64MB) was released on 19 December 2013. I have already updated 2012 DH-84 Riama crash and Caboolture Airfield with the relevent details. You may want to have look, the former update may be be a bit sparse, while the latter update may be overly wordy. Regards, 220 of ^Borg 09:09, 23 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]

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Murder of Kylie Maybury

Hi Would you be interested in expanding the Wikipedia article on Kylie Maybury? Murder of Kylie Maybury

it just involves editing the article and adding/correcting information. I think Americans have gotten to Kylie's article as it talks about Kylie "going to the grocery store" - Isn't that an Americanism not used in Australia? Paul Austin (talk) 13:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bathurst railway station

In your haste to reverse the Bathurst railway station, New South Wales which clearly was done without reviewing the changes made, the following observations:

1) per WP:CYCLE I am perfectly entitled to make bold edits.

2) plenty of articles are improved by condensing, a bigger article is not necessarily a better article

3) by reversing 10 active cites have been taken back to 6, 4 of which are dead and 2 no longer required given that a more appropriate Bathurst Bullet article has been created since the article was last edited.

4) much of the information appears to have been lifted word for word from [1] in breach of WP:COPYVIO Mo7838 (talk) 08:58, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, you're invited to the Canberra meetup which will take place at King O'Malley's Irish Pub in Civic on 17 February 2016. Bidgee (talk) 01:29, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I'll be in Canberra from the 29-30 August, there is a planned meet-up at King O'Malley's (though I'm open to suggestions) from 6pm on the 29 August. Sorry for the short noticed, only had the trip confirmed this afternoon. Bidgee (talk) 11:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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thanks

having been in aircraft using the queenie' strip - very useful to see the clarification - the spooky thing is hearing radio chatter with control locations that are over the horizon is so many ways - thanks JarrahTree 03:22, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree: And thank you for tracking down the historical news articles and for all your contributions and page creations! I'm learning to fly light planes out of a country airport and it can be a lot to keep track of all the radio calls with everything else going on! You have to listen very carefully to know where everyone is and where they are going to be in a few minutes time, especially when they might be 100kms away or right on top of you! Dfadden (talk) 07:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May the force be with you - It was so long ago, I had disbelief that a control tower in Melbourne even knew where strahan and queenstown were, let alone the prevailing conditions. Due to the alignment of the queenstown runway and the prevailing winds, it was more than once that the cessna travelling from Hobart for Queenstown had to divert to Strahan (the current king Charles in his more adventurous young days had claimed it was the worst road he had ever been on - I suspect his driver didnt know how to drive into tasmanian curves accidentally made into roads) - I am ever grateful that the pilot who let me sit in the front seat made it possible to take the shots of the strahan landing strip... I suppose people with drones these days are able to gain similar - it was a different world way back then... JarrahTree 07:40, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Bruny Island Airport is a very good page. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 05:33, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BoyTheKingCanDance: Many thanks for the Barnstar! It's nice to see my efforts are recognised and glad I could contribute to the encyclopedia and community in a positive way! Dfadden (talk) 08:08, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

not always easy

to get off the shelf easy refs... but...trove has this -

Article -West Coast Sentinel (Streaky Bay, SA : 1912 - 1954) Friday 26 January 1934 - Page 3

... CEDUNA. (By "Vox e Deserto") It is somewhat difficult to write about a centre that is practically ... rainfall is 10 inches. Important Air Port. Ceduna is an important airport on the route between Adelaide...

You are right about 'not 1939'...

JarrahTree 02:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Kadina Airport is a very good page. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 06:24, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Dfadden, Good day. Regarding your edits above and all other edits of that similar, pls note that source from edu, gov, private company, social media, the subject websites are all considered not reliable. Some ppl would consider edu and gov info/sites/source would considered reliable ; however as per Wikipedia guidelines, reliable source needs to be have fact checking in place. The point is who is checking the info but the edu and gov themselves and that same with private companies info from their website. Thus, pls do not add the info back unless you have source from the newspapers or books. Thank you. Cassiopeia talk 09:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello user:Cassiopeia. Can you provide a wikipedia policy that supports your claim that .edu and .gov websites are not reliable sources please? WP:RS does not say this at all. While it does indicate that secondary sources are preferred, it carries the caveat that Wikipedia:CONTEXTMATTERS. You do raise a valid point in regard to commercial entities that self publish content that is often biased and promotional. However, in the case of a source that confirms which television stations are licenced to transmit in an area, the Australian Communications and Media Authority are the organisation that issue those licenses! How is that not the most authoritative source available? Would you ignore advice from the DMV that your car is no longer registered because nobody has independently "fact checked" them?

Similarly, are you seriously suggesting the National Library of Australia, which holds the largest reference collection in the country, including a catalogue of every newspaper published in Australia for the last 200 years, needs to be fact checked on their claim a newspaper exists because they are publicly funded thus have a .gov domain?

If you are indeed suggesting any sources from .edu or .gov are not acceptable under any circumstances, then we have a problem as a large number of reliable, scholarly sources are hosted on .edu domains. I'd encourage you to review wikipedia's fifth pillar, as well as WP:IAR and reconsider your position. Dfadden (talk) 11:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dfadden, Good everning. See WP:RS and WP:IS. Under RS, it states the sources need to be published, reputable and reliable. The point is that who fact check edu, gov, private companies info because they produce the content/article/info themselves. Even many smaller newspapers are not considered reliable in Wikipedia. We need source is reliable and independent for verification which is the core policy of Wikipedia. WP:RSP is a list of reliable source, I dont think you can find any edu, gov in there, and if you do if I miss them, let me know. If you use the TV channel as source for the TV channel, then the source is not independent. National Library of Australia can not be the source as it is a library; However, the newspaper can be the source in regardless where we obtain the newspapers. Have a good night and best. Cassiopeia talk 12:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see that you also many years of experience and vastly more edits than I do, so I respect your commitment to helping improve wikipedia! I've also been here for over 10 years now and never have I seen anyone suggest .gov or .edu sources are unacceptable. Respectfully, i think you are misguided and do not fully understand the policies you cite to support your position.

WP:RSP is not an exhaustive list of acceptable sources that can and can't be used on Wikipedia. It lists sources that have been reviewed by the community where concerns have been raised about their reputation for fact checking and accuracy. The absence of .edu or .gov sources on that list does not suggest they are unreliable - it could just as easily be interpreted as the opposite; They are not listed there because no concerns have been raised over their reliability.

Regarding WP:RS, I have already pointed out that context is important when applying this policy. Your claim that a TV station's own website cannot be used as a reference for itself, is contradictory to this policy as per WP:SELFSOURCE: Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as the following criteria are met:

The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim.
It does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities).
It does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject.
There is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity.
The Wikipedia article is not based primarily on such sources.

In the case of Media section of the Katherine article, all these criteria are met. Furthermore, none of the information supported by these citations is remotely controversial and is unlikely to be challenged as such per WP:Verifiability, which kind of renders it a moot point. The main body of the article is already supported by many independent, secondary sources.

Finally, WP:IS is neither a policy nor a guideline, it is an essay that offers advice and opinion only. It has not been vetted by the wikipedia community, thus there is no consensus that makes it binding in any way.

If you made it this far, thank you for taking the time to read my responses. I hope you will consider that rigid application of policy without appropriate regard to context can sometimes actually harm collaborative editing. I hope you have a good evening too! Dfadden (talk) 09:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Dfadden, Verifiability is the core policy of Wikipedia. Source should be secondary and not primary. Primary source can be used only sparingly and not as amount of content what you added in all the Australia pages and the sources you added it not from the subject itself but from other not reliable sources. Edu, gov and private companies is primary source and if the info is about the subject itself then it is not only not reliable (who is checking the source? but themselves) but also not independent. You can go and ask any experienced editors about what say about private companies, edu and gov sources and check on any Wikipedia guidelines and state edu, gov sources which you wont find them. I have sent you the links regarding IS, RS and reliable source guidelines. It is not about rigidity but about adhere to Wikipedia guidelines. If big amount of content is from the primary source, then it would be be encyclopedia but they websites. I understand you want to share the info on the page, but do also remember this is Wikipedia and there are guidelines we need to adhere to. If you find this is not want you want, then you might want to create your own website or blog or go to any social media and you can write anything you want. Pls find info from the newspaper and books and that would be independent, and reliable source. Have a good day. Cassiopeia talk 10:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying very hard to have a respectful discussion with you, but I am having difficulty understanding you. Perhaps English is not your native language?

You say Primary source can be used only sparingly and not as amount of content what you added in all the Australia pages - Which other pages are you talking about? I thought we were just discussing the page Katherine, Northern Territory?

It seems you are upset that I re-added content you reverted, but in doing so I provided acceptable sources. As per WP:PRIMARY A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a musician may cite discographies and track listings published by the record label, and an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source. I have not made any interpretation. I have only used these sources to verify that the statements made are factual.

If you want to challenge the reliablity of the sources, then I suggest you follow the guideline at WP:PSTS - Deciding whether primary, secondary, or tertiary sources are appropriate in any given instance is a matter of good editorial judgment and common sense, and should be discussed on article talk pages. Please start a discussion on the article's talk page and seek community consensus on the matter, rather than repeating yourself on my user talk page. Dfadden (talk) 11:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dfadden, I am not upset as I have to explain to many editors on this topic for many years and I come here in good will just like you. English is not my mother tongue even thought I have a university degree from US. I know 4-5 languages and master of none since I have a Ireland syndrome, it does not help me on writing eloquently and I apology for that. The point is that reliable source needs to have fact check mechanism. Primary source is refer to the source from the subject itself. So if for example "Katherine, Northern Territory" page, if the info added is about a TV or Radio or etc. info and the source is from the TV or Radio source then that is not a primary source but secondary source. However, this kind of sources are not reliable as compared to those of from newspapers or books (secondary reliable and independent sources). You can add sparingly info from "Katherine, Northern Territory" web page (primary source) on "Katherine, Northern Territory" Wikipedia page and not enormous amount of info primary source if the info is directly about the subject and also because articles in Wikipedia need to be sourced with significant coverage from independent, reliable sources for verification which is the guidelines of have a page in Wikipedia. I hope this explain better than my previous messages. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 01:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The link to the discussion (which is interesting in itself...) coud also be identified https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board/Archive_62#h-NSW_State_Heritage_Register-20240515130500 - now that it is archived, is another step away from that given in the edit summaries that you have made. JarrahTree 03:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the updated link! I will use it in future edit summaries accordingly! Dfadden (talk) 04:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No need to thank, it might not fit into the edit summary... JarrahTree 04:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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