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On 13 December 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Thai Airways to Thai Airways International. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 13 December 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Colonestarrice (talk) 22:44, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– The move was conducted in 2013 and though it does follow WP:COMMONNAME, the move was done incorrectly. Seeing the redirect, the person who moved the page mentioned the reason 'per the discussion at talk page of Thai Airways International'. But seeing archive 1, two persons participated in the discussion and both refused to move the page. And the rationale given by them was, in my opinion, very reasonable i.e. it can easily be confused with Thai Airways Company. And to also give a general consistency with the accident articles. Username006 (talk) 04:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Also moving Thai Airways fleet to Thai Airways International fleet. Including destinations per a comment. Username006 (talk) 16:08, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: List of Thai Airways destinations should probably also be included in the discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As the person who opposed the original move, I agree that Thai Airways International is more precise and technically more correct. Since the accident/incident articles are titled Thai Airways International Flight X (and they must be since Thai Airways Flight X refers to the former airline), it would be more intuitive to the reader to also have the main article follow the full name. That said, doing so might cause confusion with the the destinations and fleet articles instead, which has occurred before. At first glance, it's not obvious that the International in "Thai Airways International destinations" is part of the airline's name, and the reader might mistake the title for referring to international (not domestic) destinations of the airline. There doesn't seem to be a perfect solution here. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Looks like the page has been conducted unilaterally without discussion in 2013. I believe Thai Airways International is the correct or the official name of the airline. They didn't refer itself as "Thai Airways" unless they refer to 1951-1988 domestic airline. When Thai Airways (domestic) merged with International one, they retain the "Thai Airways International" name, as opposed to renaming tobformer. 125.167.57.198 (talk) 02:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 12 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved; no consensus. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I know this page was move last December, and I might been interesting with this. And I guess you all know that Thai Airways Company merged with Thai Airways, yes but changing the page to Thai Airways International? I don't think so. I mean it, their website name still used Thai Airways [1]. Sorry if I'm supporting to change the page name to Thai Airways because this page name won't be confused. And yes, Thai Airways fly from Bangkok to Phuket. So, putting International isn't a necessary at all imo (in my opinion). But feel free to comment here if y'all supporting or opposing. Thanks and happy.. edit I guess? Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 16:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:06, 13 February 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 06:12, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Although WP:PRIMARYTOPIC applies here, accident articles (e.g. Thai Airways International Flight 311 or Thai Airways Flight 365) both distinguish themselves with the 'international' term from. That move was conducted as the move in 2013 was improperly moved too. I think the current title with the redirect and the hatnote is fine. 223.236.248.131 (talk) 10:17, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This discussion wasn't formatted as a requested move, so it wasn't listed as such. I've just added the template. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:05, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Per my comments in the above section, I'm still quite unsure what the best day to deal with this would be. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:07, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I mean, even the official website .com still use Thai Airways tho so yes.. Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 15:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. My previous concerns notwithstanding, it does seem that WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC would favour using the shortened name as the article title. (Since Thai Airways redirects here, potential confusion with Thai Airways Company wouldn't be different anyway.) I do think that December's reversal of the previous undiscussed move was appropriate, even though the nominator has since been blocked for (unrelated?) sockpuppetry, as there was no consensus in support back in 2013. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:10, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page move history

Thai Airways International created at 05:16, 24 August 2003
at 20:58, 7 September 2003‎ Ahoerstemeier redirected Thai Airways to Thai Airways International
at 22:26, 4 March 2006 Sirasith usurped the redirect to start the new article Thai Airways
at 13:11, 22 February 2009 WhisperToMe moved page Thai Airways to Thai Airways Company over redirect
at 06:15, 6 March 2009 SynergyStar retargeted the Thai Airways redirect from Thai Airways Company to Thai Airways International
at 04:11, 4 September 2009 Sirasith usurped the Thai Airways redirect to create a two-item disambiguation page
at 16:54, 31 March 2012 RJFF moved page Thai Airways to Thai Airways (disambiguation) over redirect (the active airline is the primary topic)
at 16:56, 31 March 2012 RJFF retargeted the Thai Airways redirect from Thai Airways (disambiguation) to Thai Airways International
at 00:17, 6 August 2013 Aunva6 requested speedy deletion of Thai Airways per discussion on talk page of Thai Airways International (CSD G6)
at 03:37, 6 August 2013 Mark Arsten deleted page Thai Airways (G6: Deleted to make room for an uncontroversial page move)
at 03:39, 6 August 2013 Mark Arsten restored page Thai Airways (3 revisions restored)
at 17:29, 7 August 2013 LadyofShalott moved page Thai Airways International to Thai Airways (per discussion on talk page of Thai Airways International)

Talk:Thai Airways International

Article Rename

Any Objections on moving the article to Thai Airways as per WP:COMMONNAME? Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 14:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Thai Airways probably more accurately refers to Thai Airways Company, which was a separate airline prior to being merged to form Thai Airways International. Using the name for the current airline could potentially confuse some readers. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:17, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Just a quick look at the website its all branded Thai Airways not Thai Airways International so i think we should be ok. Thai Airways already redirects here anyway. --JetBlast (talk) 09:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
you should not change it because it is an international airline and it is correct even from its time table

it says thai airways international (Do do doggy (talk) 12:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC))

block page

why did you block editing this page to 15 august 2013? (Do do doggy (talk) 12:40, 8 August 2013 (UTC))

That is explained in the section above. Black Kite (talk) 12:42, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit-war

After reverting the moves against talk page consensus, and the cut-and-paste copy move performed on Thai Airways International, I have reverted both pages to their original state and fully protected them for a week. This edit-warring can not be allowed to continue. Discuss the name of the article here and if necessary create a requested move discussion. If the back-and-forth warring continues after the protection expires I will not hesitate to hand out blocks for disruption. If there are any urgent changes that need to be made to this article, please use an edit request to ask for an admin to make them. Black Kite (talk) 12:39, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Please note that the page is currently locked at the title after the move from Thai Airways International to Thai Airways. According to WP:BRD, the move probably should have been reverted pending further discussion. Either would probably have been the Wrong Version though. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:06, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Not being funny but it was on the talk page. If there where objections they should have been brought up sooner. --JetBlast (talk) 08:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Consensus for the August 2013 move is highly dubious. The discussion was not held on WP:RM. One editor objected to the proposal so the !vote was 1–1, unless you also count the editor who posted the G6 request. The first admin to review that request had second thoughts and restored their deletion after a couple minutes, leaving it for another admin, and who knows whether she reviewed the talk page or just assumed good faith and trusted the judgement of the editor making the request. And then within a day of the move, another editor objected (making the vote 1–2), and cut-paste edit-warred to restore it. – wbm1058 (talk) 01:26, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.