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re Revert of 2018 Indian Premier League-Needless?

Hi Dee03. Why do you find it needless? It adds current info, in a compact all-in-one form rather than having to navigate to the List of current Indian Premier League team rosters. I've put reasoning for the edit on the talk page. DadaNeem (talk) 15:25, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi DadaNeem, I have already replied there. I have never seen squad templates being used in that way before in any sport. I do understand your reasoning behind putting them all in one place, but that is not how those templates are meant to be used. Dee03 15:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Task Completed

Hello Sir

You gave me task for updating the List of Kings XI Punjab cricketers.Now this article is updated.some of players statistics updated to 2017 , & I also added the current Squad of Kings XI Punjab Team.(Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 10:46, 5 May 2018 (UTC))

I removed the unnecessary infobox and restored the categories and featured list icon that you removed. Other than that, I think there are still many players missing in that list from previous years like Farhaan Behardien and KC Cariappa. And the stats of other players like Wriddhiman Saha and Sandeep Sharma have not been updated. Dee03 15:00, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanku for your contribution sir Yes , I think you are Right, I observed this article Again, give me some time I will update the players(Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 15:30, 5 May 2018 (UTC))

Hello Sir, please check List of Kings XI Punjab cricketers ,I think I updated it, but currently Squad of Kings XI Punjab (2018). We will update it when the tournament is over (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 06:46, 6 May 2018 (UTC))

IPL templates

Hi can you please review the changes to the IPL templates of the 2018 edition? I personally thought the design looks good and and so asked the editor to go ahead as there is no policy restricting him to make such a change. But still I think knowing the opinion of other experienced members is equally important so I want you suggestion on this. Please do have a look. Regards. Cricket246 (talk) 21:07, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Personally I don't have any problem with having a border for the templates. My main issue was the usage of alternate background colors for the matches (which has now been resolved). It would probably be best to intimate this change at WT:CRIC and see what majority of the members think about it. ​ Dee03 13:59, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Reverting changes on Gauri Lankesh

Two times you have reverted my changes on Gauri Lankesh with unclear reasons. Can you explain clearly, why are you reverting. I appreciate if you do modifications instead of removing completely. -- Rasulnrasul (talk) 17:22, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

The reasons were quite clearly mentioned in the edit summaries. The first revert was due to WP:COPYVIO where you had directly WP:COPYPASTED from the source with minor modifications to the text (see WP:CLOP). The next time, you added Supporters of Narendra Modi, Bharatiya Janata Party and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, celebrated her murder on twitter which makes it sound like all supporters of Modi, BJP and RSS celebrated her murder. You should be cautious with the wording especially on such sensitive topics and give appropriate weightage to majority/minority viewpoints (see WP:RSUW). First get familiarized with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines such as WP:NPOV and WP:MOSWTW. Dee03 14:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

SunRisers Hyderabad in 2018

Hi. Since the IPL has come to the end, I am trying to improve the above mentioned page for GA rating. Can you tell me what is the procedure for nominating to GA class rating. And also, article has been upgraded to only class-C and not checked for class-B rating. Is that necessary before nominating for class-B and if yes, how can I get that done. Also, it would be really helpful if you could review the article and provide me some suggestions while reviewing on what to do to make it to GA class? Thanks. Sagavaj (talk) 00:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sagavaj, you've done a very good job in updating the article throughout the season. I had a very brief glance at the article and most of it looks fine. I spotted a few minor issues such as:

• MOS:DUPLINK where the same cricketer is linked multiple times within the same section. Also 2018 Indian Premier League need not be linked in this article at all except for in the lead and infobox because the context (the tournament) is clear.
• The full name of the person should be used in the first occurrence of the name, for eg, Saha opened with Dhawan to start chase for SunRisers but fell in an attempt to loft over midfield. should be written as Wriddhiman Saha opened with Shikhar Dhawan to start chase for SunRisers but fell in an attempt to loft over midfield. The subsequent usages of the name should be the person's last name without linking it to the person's article.
• Overall the match summaries are decently written but there a few WP:PEACOCK terms here and there such as "pulled off a sensational win" and "took over Warner's role to perfection". Such terms should be avoided as much as possible in order to adhere to WP:NPOV.

Regarding GA nomination, you can go through the GA criteria here and the instructions here. As far as I know, it doesn't matter if the article is B-class or C-class or even not assessed for it to get promoted to GA class. Typically it takes a few months for a GA nomination to get picked up by a reviewer, but you can bring the nomination to the attention of cricket project members at WT:CRIC and try to speed up the process.

I feel the article needs a small amount of work before it can be nominated for GA. If possible I will help you with some copyediting over the weekend. Dee03 15:12, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dee03. Thanks for letting me know. I will try to improve the article based on the above information. Sagavaj (talk) 15:50, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I think I changed the article based on the information provided above and based on what I understood. If possible, can you check it out and help me if there's still something to be changed sometime whenever you are free? Thanks. Sagavaj (talk) 06:04, 01 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, sorry for the late reply (got quite busy with life). I read the article and the issues I mentioned above seem to be resolved. A few copyedits are required and I'll try to help you out with that now. Dee03 15:24, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

I made some changes to the article - mainly improved the readability by dividing sections into subsections. Here are a few more observations you can work on:

• It might be a good idea to give a context of the IPL tournament points system (points per win, qualifier and eliminator system, etc) before summarizing the matches. See 2002–03 Arsenal F.C. season#Premier League for example.
• There are few instances where future/present tense is used. As the season is concluded, all sentences should be in past tense.
• There is a glaring inconsistency with the team name. The article title calls the team as "Sunrisers Hyderabad" but everywhere else in the article it is "SunRisers Hyderabad". The parent article uses both forms at different parts of the article. I'd say stick to "Sunrisers Hyderabad" throughout the article as that seems to be the correct usage.

The "Season summary" section needs some copyediting which I can help with tomorrow. Dee03 15:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for re-ordering. Regarding the name, SRH team changed their naming from this season to "SunRisers Hyderabad" instead of Sunrisers Hyderabad which is also reflected in their official twitter & facebook accounts. So, I tried to maintain as SunRisers Hyderabad in the entire article. I will correct all future/present to past tense. I am also busy this entire week so it might take some time. Thanks again. - Sagavaj (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I made the changes based on the above information provided and would be happy if you could check the article once. If it seems good, I can nominate it to GA status and can also ask someone at WT:CRIC to review the page. Thanks. - Sagavaj (talk) 05:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I have copyedited the article, and feel that there is still room for improvement. You can go ahead with the GA nomination, and make the changes that the reviewer will ask for. Good luck and do ping if you need any help. Dee03 15:06, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again for the editing and will sure do if I need any help. - Sagavaj (talk) 15:08, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Just want to let you know that the article has been picked for review today. You can see the discussion here. Thanks. Sagavaj (talk) 13:47, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

It has passed GA criteria. Just to let you know. Thanks again for working on the article and correcting some mistakes. Sagavaj (talk) 11:33, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations! Great to see an article related to Indian cricket/IPL become a GA. Dee03 12:22, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

2014 Indian Premier League Final

Hi. I am currently working on 2014 Indian Premier League final page which was arranged keeping 2015 Indian Premier League Final as reference. I saw that most of the major edits were done by you and page looks great. I also observed that same format was maintained on all pages when Mumbai Indians won final. I am just little curious on why any of those weren't tried for GA nomination? Thanks. Sagavaj (talk) 13:46, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I created and expanded the 2015 and 2017 Final pages in order to get them posted in the Wikipedia:In the news section of the Main Page. They can be nominated for GA if secondary information like "Buildup" and "Aftermath" are added in line with the 2008 Final article. Dee03 10:04, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Harendra Singh

On 23 July 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Harendra Singh, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that coached by Harendra Singh, India's field hockey teams won gold at the 2016 Men's Junior World Cup, gold at the 2017 Women's Asia Cup, and silver at the 2018 Men's Champions Trophy? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Harendra Singh. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Harendra Singh), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

List of Sunrisers Hyderabad cricketers

Hi. Can you just do the grammar check for the List of Sunrisers Hyderabad cricketers article whenever you are free? I made some changes based on the discussion. Thanks in advance. Sagavaj (talk) 23:05, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Apologies for the delay. I have rephrased a few sentences and made some minor changes. Dee03 14:19, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks once again for working on the above list. I am happy to say that it passed FL nomination. Cheers!!! Sagavaj (talk) 01:45, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations! Dee03 09:52, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

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Deccan Chargers in 2009

Hi. I added the above article for the peer review (discussion) with the intention of improving it to the FA status. Since you previously reviewed my other articles, I am hoping if you could suggest any more improvements for this one whenever you are free. Thanks in advance. Sa Ga Vaj 22:33, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Sagavaj:. I had a cursory glance at the article and noticed one important thing - the age column in the Squad section shows the current age of the players. In such season articles, it should instead be the players' age on the first day of that year's tournament. See Chennai Super Kings in 2009#Squad, for example. I will have a more thorough look at the article in the next few days. Dee03 14:59, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

I can change. Thanks for the observation. Sa Ga Vaj 15:05, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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Nomination of Manyata Embassy Business Park for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Manyata Embassy Business Park

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Bog-standard business park. No indication of anything which sets it apart from any other business park.

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Notable tech park

Really. And this is based on....? --Calton | Talk 15:33, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Virat Kohli

Hello there, I have left a message on Talk:Virat Kohli. Please take a look. Thanks, THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 18:20, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

H. D. Kumaraswamy

Can you please explain in plain ENGLISH, how the below paragraph is vandalism? or accept below "THE FACT" is hurting is your "VOKKALIGA" sentiments. Rajannamysore (talk) 15:34, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Attack on Freedom of Press

During Kumaraswamy second tenure as Chief Minister of Karnataka. Post debacle of Lok sabha polls in 2019 results of Mandya constituency, where his son Nikhil Kumaraswamy lost to independent candidate Sumalatha Ambarish. Nikhil was reported to have been involved in drunken tantrum in Kannada daily Vishwavani News by popular investigative journalist Vishweshwar Bhat. Kumaraswamy ordered police action on Vishweshwar Bhat for reporting the story. This was widely criticized as 'Attack on Freedom on Press'.

First of all, let me clarify that I am not a Vokkaliga. Infact I am not even a Kannadiga. So your baseless "Vokkaliga sentiment" insinuation can be thrown out of the window. Your WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality is quite amusing.

Zero of all, you have been editing the article with IP. Now, you chosen to login to your account. Your WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality of saving face of HDK is quite appalling. Rajannamysore (talk) 18:35, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Zero of all? *chuckle* You continue to make bad faith assumptions about me. That's fine. I'll take the moral high ground here while you enjoy your block. Dee03 04:38, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Secondly, do you even realize how badly that paragraph is written? Aside from the shoddy grammar, you are making unverified claims and using WP:PEACOCK words like "popular" which is unencyclopedic. You wrote that Kumaraswamy ordered police action on Vishweshwar Bhat but the reference you have provided says based on a complaint by a leader from Mr Kumaraswamy's party. This is a clear cut violation of "verifiability" policy on a WP:BLP. I suggest you read WP:BLP thoroughly before making any more edits to any other article, else you could face sanctions. Dee03 16:25, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

My thirdly, do you even realize that Wikipedia is all about user contributions. I was born in a Kannada family, English is not my first language. If you are so expert of English language by BIRTH or otherwise, improve the article. Don't sabotage it. I suggest you take a chill-pill, JDS/HDK are gone for good. Rajannamysore (talk) 18:35, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't care if JDS/HDK are gone for good. I am only trying to keep your mess out of Wikipedia. Dee03 04:38, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

By the way, the word you have used 'unencyclopedic' is not found any encyclopedia. So in your own words, 'unencyclopedic' is 'unencyclopedic'. Best Wishes Rajannamysore (talk) 19:18, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

@Rajannamysore: WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC. You're welcome. Dee03 04:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

References

Edit: MS Dhoni

Edit was for grammatical error. Please review your revert. "International cricketer of Indian origin" or "Indian cricketer" or International cricketer" are correct phrases. However, Indian international cricketer is bad in language.

He is not of "Indian origin", he is an Indian. There is nothing wrong with the phrase "Indian international cricketer" which is being used in several articles like Shikhar Dhawan, Rohit Sharma and Ravindra Jadeja. If you have an issue with this usage, please raise it at the appropriate place, either the cricket WikiProject (WT:CRIC) or the Indian noticeboard (WT:IN). Dee03 14:21, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for being patient with me while I wrote all those lists out. My mind is everywhere right now. Bobo. 16:45, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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Cricketers with dubious notability

I hope you don't mind, but I've put some more on the list on your sandbox. I haven't time to do BEFORE checks on them at the moment, and it seemed to make sense to have them all in one place. Harrias ^talk 08:30, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't mind at all. Thanks for adding them. Dee03 01:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Help me

Need help mail me please god0077100@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adityabelnekar (talk • contribs) 22:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hope you don't

Hey. Hope you don't consider my questions as badgering. Was just curious. Bobo. 08:46, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Not at all. And I hope you don't see these AfDs as me targeting you personally because that is not my intention. Dee03 09:14, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

*shrug* I guess back in 2005/06 when we first formulated these rules (at least that's when Jack - who was the main catalyst in applying these SSGs first started contributing) we hadn't taken this into account - let alone that there would, 15 years ago, be these inconsistencies in a rule which clearly (page creation September 2006) didn't exist back then. As I say, my anger is directed in a different direction now... (the application and inconsistency of GNG rather than the presence of these AfDs...) Bobo. 09:19, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I remember reading somewhere that Wikipedia was very inclusive back then. May I know why you decided to create articles for players who appeared in 1-3 first-class matches instead of those who had longer careers like Sunil Subramaniam and Kanwaljit Singh (cricketer)? Dee03 09:39, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I still truly believe that Wikipedia was built on the premise of absolute inclusionism - a complete compendium of all knowledge by certain SSN criteria. Maybe, 15 years on, I was wrong. Why did I write articles for single first-class appearance cricketers? Low-hanging fruit. *grin* And as I've said before, when I see - even after 15 years - threadbare articles on multi-appearance Test cricketers - it makes me sad as to the inconsistency of quality and detail of these articles. I'm surprised that when I joined there were still some Test cricketers missing - I even instigated the creation of several Test cricketers - as well as some very well-established soccer players. Bobo. 09:45, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I understand why you would consider each and every first-class cricketer to be notable, but don't you think CRIN is too inclusive compared to other sports/fields? Does anyone know the approximate number of first-class cricketers in the world? Dee03 10:11, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

"Other sports"? Baseball - one appearance. Basketball - one appearance. Ice hockey - one appearance. Football - one appearance. American football - one appearance. How much less inclusive do you (sorry, I don't mean you specifically, I mean the universe in general) want CRIN to be? Some people have suggested "one complete season". Define "complete". All 162 games of a baseball season? All 82 games of a hockey season? Bobo. 10:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

CRIN (or any SSG for that matter) is only supposed to give the presumption that GNG will be met if the SSG is passed. Baseball and other sports may have such criteria in place because they have demonstrated that one appearance is sufficient for a player to have "significant coverage." The recent AfDs have shown that the same presumption is false in case of CRIN. Dee03 10:19, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I still consider "presume" as a nonsense word. And that if "significant coverage" doesn't include CA and CI, then we've been being misled all these years. Bobo. 10:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

IMO, CA and CI profiles cannot be considered as WP:SIGCOV, unless there is a detailed "prose" profile like this one. In the absence of such prose we could always establish notability by finding news articles or obituaries that provide "significant coverage" of the player. Dee03 10:32, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Then - and I mean this with all good intentions - this is where we differ. I still question whether there would be anything worth noting other than their sole appearance. Like I said elsewhere, I still believe in these cases any further information to simply be "filler". Bobo. 10:34, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

That is what "significant coverage" means, regardless of what you think. Dee03 10:40, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Come now... that's not what I mean. I still consider all other information to be filler. Bobo. 10:45, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

There is no need to have any "further information" in the article as long as there is in-depth coverage in reliable sources to demonstrate notability. Dee03 10:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Then we disagree as to the appropriateness of CA and CI purely by themselves. No biggie. As I've said, my frustration isn't with anyone specifically. My frustration is that we didn't decide this 10, 15 years ago. Bobo. 10:55, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

On the subject of this list, it's turned up 3 English articles that I'd missed. Most of the other English ones I'll propose for merger as I work through List of English cricketers (1841–1850) - that will leave three on the list. I think I have a way of dealing with Bull, who is of more significance to me, leaving Harris (which has an interesting addition to the article that I'm not sure about) and Allen (where the talk page is close to establishing who he is - we just need a specific insider source to be sure I think). Just as a FWIW/FYI etc... I'm sure there are more out there from the pre-1850 period btw... Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

And I still stand by my "surely someone knows this bloke exists" about the Ranji Trophy cricketers - based on the likelihood that someone with more intimate knowledge of sources might be able to uncover. As I've said, there are people still around who have played alongside these "initialed" cricketers - they must know where to come across records too. Bobo. 10:26, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Again, verifiability is not the main issue. Even if someone identifies their first names, we still need to show that they are "notable" enough for a standalone article. Dee03 10:40, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Once again, this is where we differ regarding the relationship between GNG and N. I still believe the two display basic contradiction. Bobo. 10:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

That's why I'd rather redirect in most cases and spend such a long time developing and verifying lists - it gives us the opportunity to develop articles when the sources appear. It's a reasonable compromise position I think. Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:47, 24 August 2019 (UTC)