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Wikifying

Hi. I noticed you keep add various links about to the same article in Indianapolis 500. It really isn't necessary to have links to Jim Clark, or Al Unser, or Bill Vukovich, or Roger Penske more than once in the same page. Some of these had three or four links in the Indy page, which I've removed. I've also removed all those flags from the Indy article. The flags were designed for use in tables, not in the middle of text. --Pc13 15:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"==" is used for create headers in a page. They're more like different chapters in the same page. I agree, the Indy 500 article is becoming increasingly bulky. When I originally expanded the article I tried to avoid being specific about years and drivers, and preferred to point out defining events in the history of the Indy 500. Then other people started adding trivia and lists. Some of these have been spun into their own pages, and right now I believe the same should happen to the "Year by year" section. It would probably be good to create Indianapolis 500 history, and transfer the "Year by year" to it. Flags in the middle of the text are not a good idea, visually wise. Besides, not all flags are instantly recognizable. If people want to know the drivers' nationality, they can simply click on the link, it's mentioned in their articles. --Pc13 17:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Star Tiger source

Hello! I noticed you added a section on the Star Tiger to Bermuda Triangle. However, you didn't add any additional sources. Could you please somehow indicate what sources you used? Thanks! --AySz88^-^ 16:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

co-winner

Hi. I noticed that you recorded Corum as a "co-winner". I'm not sure that this is necessary. Members of a team are usually all referred to as winners, while people who tie are usually co-winners. For example, Ben Roethlisberger is a winner of Super Bowl XL, as is Jerrome Bettis, but Peyton Manning and Steve McNair are co-winners of the 2003 NFL MVP award. --Brian G 03:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, but I've known necessity in the modern racing world to explain the nature of the 500, wherein the car is winning entry, rather than, necessarily, the driver. If one starts and the other finishes the race, they would be co-winners...instead of just one or the other, and then edits coming in due to people thinking they know the "true winner, instead of this being incorrect," etc. A lot of that could be possible on wikipedia, at least so far as I've seen on several pages. --Chr.K. 06:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That context helps some, thanks. I thought that I had addressed it in the body of the article (if that stub I created can be called a body), but I can see how your note makes it more clear than I had done. To be consistent, do you want to make any similar changes to Joe Boyer, Floyd Davis and Mauri Rose? --Brian G 13:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hope Diamond

Hey, I wanted to discuss your adding of the Hope Diamond to the project. I was working on a list of "what isn't under the scope of the project", and curses were one of the things I was planning on adding. While I understand that the circumstances of a curse could be considered paranormal, the usage of the word is so wide as to suggest the inclusion of some stuff that more clearly doesn't seem like our department, like the Curse of the Billy Goat or the Curse of the Bambino. What do you think? --InShaneee 16:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discount the phenomina of curses at all; I'm simply saying that the modern usage has become synonimous with Bad Luck, and thus it can make objectively deciding when a curse is truly paranormal extremely difficult. Was the Curse of the Bambino a curse? If not, how do we explain our criteria for inclusion in the project? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the topic of curses has little coverage on wikipedia (perhaps due to a lack of recognition), hence why I think we should hesitate before trying to include them. --InShaneee 18:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And also, there's the issue of whether it would be more suited to our sister project, Wikipedia:WikiProject Occult, instead. --InShaneee 18:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That still brings us to the original problem of articles such as Curse of the Bambino. And while I considered bringing this to the Project, that smacks of original research (having us, the editors, decide which curses are 'real'). Curse itself sounds like a good addition, though, barring my second comment above. While I'm thinking about it, too, love the Eerie, Indiana quote on your userpage. :) --InShaneee 18:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just don't see it as being that simple. For example, if you look at this section, people did treat the Curse of the Bambino as a real curse, and that is verifiable. So here, we're getting down into some real dirty, ugly semantics. Do you see what I'm getting at? --InShaneee 21:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I guess. Curse doesn't go so far as to detail effects/scope. --InShaneee 22:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On a different note, thanks for helping me finish classing the unassessed Paranormal articles. I was beginning to think I'd have to do all 465 myself! :) --InShaneee 15:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the first time I've got that complaint, either. I've kind of been ignoring them for the most part, simply because I figure that once we get a large number of members, we'll want to create some subProjects, and they very first one on the list will be WikiProject Cryptozoology. But until there's enough people to handle that, it's really best if we be the hub for it. --InShaneee 15:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with that is simply a practical one. While WikiProject Parapsychology seems like a logical division, we wouldn't have enough editors to get it started. Even WP:PARA right now is very much an infant project (compare to the 400+ member WP:MILHIST). A Wikiproject needs a large amount of support to be founded and continue functioning, and right now, we've barely got that. I'm sure it will exist in the future (as a matter of fact, as soon as this business of the new icon gets cleared up, I'm going on a canvassing run for new members), but until then, it's really best to keep the topics where the interest is. When we start getting large, this should be brought up again, although even then, I'm going to suggest that perhaps a Taskforce structure like in WP:MILHIST might be more prudent. --InShaneee 15:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, without a large body of support, WikiProjects by logical division will simply fail. Best to keep subjects together in a large lump, then split off as subcats become sustainable. For example, WP:PARA was essentially inactive when I found it. It's logical structure was completely correct, but it had little to no editorial support. --InShaneee 15:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that's true. All of the complaints I've recieved have been placated once it was pointed out that we aren't claiming these things as paranormal, we're simply taking care of Cryptozoology articles as part of our project's scope. Besides, better to have an imperfect name than several largely unsupported projects. --InShaneee 15:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I created a Wiki Category

I created a new Wiki Category: "Category:Bermuda Triangle". I would appreciate it if you looked it over and would help me to expand it. Thank you. ProfessorPaul 03:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indy pole sitters

Keeping the kmh should be fine...I hadn't gotten very far, anyway...a quick look at the "history" should recover the old values. Doctorindy 20:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bermuda Triangle

This edit: [1] is OK. Thank you for finding nice solution. Przepla 23:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		I award you this barnstar for your excellent contributions to Wikipedia:WikiProject Paranormal and for your work towards assessing unrated articles within the project. It's that kind of "plugging along" getting the little things done type of work that help move articles onwards and upwards in quality. THANKS! Lisapollison 22:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POGO 22, et al

I haven't been able to get anything more than the newspapers in question, and even then this is limited to old copies of the Washington Post, New York Times, and Atlanta Constitution. I have not been able to get a copy of the report from the Air Force Historical Society (I believe they would supply it) as of yet. It does get frustrating when dealing with a governmental entity. Carajou 14:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou

Thankyou, kind sir. Oh yes! -- Definately!--R.A Huston 10:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Afd/AFOL

Hey, just wondering if you could clarify the comments you made on the AFOL AfD page. Thanks! mcr616 _Speak! 22:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tenses

Please be aware that creative works "are", not "were", unless, for example: lost or destroyed. See also WP:TENSE. Matthew 07:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Taskforce You May Be Interested In

Hi Chr.k.,

From seeing one of your userboxes, which states that you are interested in the Salem Witch Trials, you may want to join a new task force another Wikipedian, Cocoaguy, and I created which is devoted to the Trials: Salem Witch Trials task force.

So please check it out.

Thanks,

Psdubow 20:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to EVP

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Board track racing

Are you sure that the article belongs in WP:AOWR? Lots of types of vehicles raced on board tracks. I have not reverted your adding the article to the WikiProject, but I request that you explain the genre's relevance to American Open Wheel racing on the article's talk page. Royalbroil 00:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits to the board track racing make it clear why it should be part of WP:AOWR. I worked on the article a few days ago. I'm about ready to start an article on Eddie Hasha in my sandbox. His death was very influential in the decline of board tracks. Please watch for any references to him in your research. I have two solid sources right now: the front page article about the accident in the New York Times, and one of the references in the Board track racing article. I hope to make a Did You Know article on Hasha. Royalbroil 01:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry

Sorry I if I screwed up and caused you an edit conflict by editing WT:AOWR. I'll wait until you're done. Royalbroil 14:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Template:American Open Wheel driver results legend

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It seems this template isn't actually transcluded anywhere. From what I can tell, it's just a key or legend. Would you have any objection to moving it to a subpage of the American Open Wheel Racing WikiProject? Seems more appropriate to have it the Wikipedia: namespace rather than the Template: namespace if it isn't going to be used as a template. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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American Open Wheel results key template

Hi Chr.K. I notice you've updated a couple of links to the American Open Wheel results key template. Can I ask you to hold off doing any more for the moment? I think the existing links are correct and that the template shouldn't have been moved from the Template space into the WikiProject space. I'll raise the issue for discussion at WP:AOWR. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 10:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I didn't realise it had already been discussed at WP:AOWR. In that case, feel free to continue updating the links. Cheers. DH85868993 (talk) 11:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Mario Andretti

Hi

Sorry to be a pain, but we are currently rewriting the page due to it being listed for demotion and I am not sure if the edits you have made are correct.

The section you edited was trying to show that there were only 2 drivers who have won those particular 4 championships, so can you please clarify for me if these are the same championships :-

...IndyCar (USAC), ...

and

IndyCar, ... it sort of imples that there is another racing series that is non-USAC, and not being an avid watcher of Indycar (except when Fittipaldi was around) I am not sure if this is an important difference in the text.

thanks for your time---Chaosdruid (talk) 00:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Andretti

Hi

Thanks for your reply, I found it very informative and interesting !

It is strange how these things go, I wonder if that will be the same fate for F1 v A1. I asked as the references would have to be changed if we were to link it to any of the results pages and I needed to ensure that any searches I or others did would definitely get the right section for the reference. I find it bizarre that after 30 years there should still be argument going on at that sort of level, but I suppose with the Andretti family spanning so many generations of US racing history it would affect them more than others. Do you think there is a need to include some or any of your wonderful prose in the article? I am sure that perhaps some should be included as he was one of the drivers in the third season of CART racing and, at the time, it must have been complicated for him and his son in 1989 with his earlier career in the USAC.

Anyway, thanks for the information ! Should we quote USAC alongside the early victoreis and CART for the later ones ?

Many thanks--Chaosdruid (talk) 20:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Andretti

Hi

Don't worry about it, as long as we get it right it doesn't matter how long it takes really. The article got through the GAR review, and passed - Woohoo ! so no rush.

Thanks for replying and hope to read it soon on the page

cheers--Chaosdruid (talk) 10:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA review for A. J. Foyt IV

It looks like you did lots of work improving the article to GA standards. So you know, it's needs minimal improvement to retain GA status. Are you planning to work on it, or should I? Royal broil 20:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Winners list

Over at List of American Championship Car winners, I reverted your edit (adding the placements 1,2,3,4..) because when I hit the sortkeys at the top, the table absolutely exploded. A sortable table won't work with shared cels. It looked like a lot of work, and I hated to do it, but it just had to be done. Doctorindy (talk) 15:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Indycar season table

He WOULD have been there, but because of the trial he -Did Not Participate-.) - Well surely then Rpl would be the correct nomenclature? He would have been there, but he was replaced. --Falcadore (talk) 05:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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A new working group has been formed. The space stations working group is expected to work towards creating Featured topics related to space stations. It currently has three members.

Discussion within the project is still dominated by the reorganisation proposals. A discussion over the formation and roles of working groups and task forces has led to some clarification regarding working groups, however the roles of the task forces remain vague, and several proposals to abolish them have surfaced. The Human Spaceflight to-do list has been merged into the main project to-do list, with the combined list currently located on the Tasks page of the Spaceflight portal.

A discussion regarding opening relations with the Aerospace biography task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation was held, but no conclusions were reached. The Article Alerts bot has resumed operation, and a problem with the information the bot had been delivering was discussed and resolved.

New assessment criteria for importance and quality have been implemented, and refinements continue to be made to the importance scale. The scope of the project was redefined to exclude astronomical objects explicitly. Although A-class criteria have been defined, a review process is yet to be discussed or implemented.

Colds7ream conducted an analysis of open tasks related to the reorganisation which four major issues remain unresolved: Discussion concerning the existence and roles of task forces within the project; recruitment of new editors; updating guidelines and whether the project or the task forces should be responsible for maintaining them; and the continued existence of the Human spaceflight portal six weeks after consensus was reached to abolish it.

Discussion about the structure of the project is ongoing, with several proposals currently on the table. One proposal calls for the abolition of task forces in favour of increased emphasis on working groups, whilst another calls for the task forces to become a list of topics. The idea of a formal collaboration system has been suggested, however opposition has been raised.

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News from Orbit

On 3 December, USA-212, the first X-37B, landed at Vandenberg Air Force Base after a successful mission. On 5 December Proton-M with a Blok DM-03 upper stage failed to place three Glonass-M satellites into orbit, the first of three failures in less than forty eight hours. The NanoSail-D2 spacecraft was supposed to have been ejected from FASTSAT in the early hours of the next morning, however it does not appear to have separated. Finally the Akatsuki spacecraft failed to enter orbit around Venus in the evening of 6 December. The Proton launch was the maiden flight of the Blok DM-03, which does not currently have an article.

On 8 December the Dragon C1 demonstration mission was conducted, with the SpaceX Dragon making a little under two orbits of the Earth on its maiden flight, before landing in the Pacific Ocean to complete a successful mission. The Falcon 9 rocket which launched the Dragon spacecraft also deployed eight CubeSats: SMDC-ONE 1, QbX-1, QbX-2, Perseus 000, Perseus 001, Perseus 002, Perseus 003 and Mayflower. The CubeSats do not currently have articles.

On 15 December, a Soyuz-FG launched Soyuz TMA-20 to the International Space Station, carrying three members of the Expedition 26 crew. It docked two days later. The Soyuz TMA-20 article is currently short, and could use improvements to bring it up to the same level as articles for US manned spaceflights. On 17 December, a Long March 3A launched Compass-IGSO2. There is currently no article for this satellite.

17 December saw Intelsat regain control of the Galaxy 15 satellite, which had been out of control since a malfunction in April. The Galaxy 15 article is in need of serious cleanup and a good copyedit. On 25 December a GSLV Mk.I failed to place GSAT-5P into orbit. A Proton-M with a Briz-M upper stage successfully launched KA-SAT on 26 December. Barring any suborbital launches at the end of the month which have not yet been announced (a NASA Black Brant was scheduled for December but does not appear to have flown), 2010 in spaceflight concluded on 29 December when an Ariane 5ECA launched the Hispasat-1E and Koreasat 6 spacecraft. These do not currently have articles.

Four launches are currently scheduled to occur in January 2011. A Delta IV Heavy is expected to launch NRO L-49 on 17 January. The satellite is expected to be an Improved Crystal electro-optical imaging spacecraft. Two launches are planned for 20 January, with Kounotori 2, the second H-II Transfer Vehicle, being launched by an H-IIB, and the Zenit-3F making its maiden flight to deploy Elektro-L No.1, the first Russian geostationary weather satellite to be launched since 1994. On 28 January Progress M-09M will be launched by a Soyuz-U. 28 January will also be the twenty-fifth anniversary of the loss of the Space Shuttle Challenger on mission STS-51-L.

Article News

It was requested that the article Walter Haeussermann be expanded. Haeussermann, a member of the von Braun rocket group, died on 8 December. Although the article has been updated following his death, a user requested that more information about the engineer be added. Another user requested that the articles Commercial Space Launch Act and Launch Services Purchase Act be created, to cover laws of the United States concerning spaceflight.

Articles related to methods of taking-off and landing were discussed. The term VTVL currently has an article whilst VTHL and HTHL do not. It was suggested that the existing article should be merged, and each term be covered by the article for the equivalent aviation term, however some distinction between use in the fields of aviation and spaceflight should remain.

Concern was raised that a large scale deletion request could cause many images to be lost from articles, help was requested to investigate whether any of the images were not subject to copyright, or if they were then whether they could be uploaded to the English Wikipedia under a claim of fair use.

Concerns were raised about a large amount of content in the newly-created article deorbit of Mir duplicating existing content in existing Good Article Progress M1-5. A proposal to merge deorbit of Mir into Progress M1-5 was made, however objections were raised, and discussion has since stalled without reaching a consensus. It has also been requested that the article Mir be copyedited.

The existence of separate categories for "spaceflight" and "space exploration" has been questioned, with a suggestion that some of the exploration categories, including Category:Space exploration iteslf, should be merged into their spaceflight counterparts.

Missile Range Instrumentation Ship is currently listed at requested moves, with a proposal to rename it tracking ship. The only open good article nomination is of the book Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet, which is currently awaiting review.

Editorial – Space Stations and the Push for Featured Topics

There has recently been much talk about trying to increase the activity of the project. To this end, a major reorganisation effort has been undertaken, which has seen the space WikiProjects separated into the Astronomy, Solar System and Spaceflight groups, with WikiProject Space being abolished. We have also seen the child projects of WikiProject Spaceflight being abolished, with Timeline of Spaceflight becoming a working group, and the Unmanned and Human Spaceflight projects becoming task forces for now, with some suggestions that they should be abolished outright. The problem with the previous structure was that there were too many different groups of editors, and nobody was sure which projects were supposed to be doing what. Now there is only one project, this is somewhat clearer, but spaceflight is still a huge topic.

Another way to improve the activity of the project is to attract more editors. Spaceflight is a topic which many people have at least a very casual interest in, and therefore it is strange that there are only about four or five people regularly participating in discussions on the project talk page. Evidently action is needed to raise the profile of the project.

One way in which the project's profile can be raised is to have a major success associated with it. The creation of a featured topic could be one such success, and would also be hugely beneficial to articles in the area that it relates to. Space Stations are one of the most high-profile and notable areas of spaceflight, and are therefore a logical choice to spearhead such an initiative.

To this end, in late December a working group was established to concentrate and coordinate efforts to establish featured topics related to space stations. An initial proposal calls for topics on Skylab, Salyut, Mir and the International Space Station, as well as one on space stations in general. There is currently an effort to get Mir promoted to Good Article status; the article currently requires a copyedit, after which it will be sent for peer review and then to GAN.

This is by no means a short-term project. There are many articles, particularly for the larger space stations such as the ISS and Mir, which are currently nowhere near becoming recognised content. Skylab is the smallest of the proposed featured topics, but it still requires that three C-class articles, two Start-class articles and a redirect all reach at least Good Article status, with at least three becoming Featured Articles. The ISS topic is so large that it may have to be subdivided.

I don't expect that we will have any featured topics by the end of the year, but I believe that a Good Topic, which requires all articles reach at least GA status, but does not require any featured articles, may be possible. I also believe that several articles on the subject can easily be improved to Good Article status, and some articles may be at featured level by the end of the year. In the long term, having featured topics will benefit the project and its content.

Selected Article – Salyut 2

Salyut 2 was an early space station, launched in 1973 as part of the Salyut and Almaz programmes. It malfunctioned two days after launch, and consequently was never visited by a manned Soyuz mission.

The Salyut 2 article describes the station:

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Salyut 2 (OPS-1)(Russian: Салют-2; English: Salute 2) was launched April 4, 1973. It was not really a part of the same program as the other Salyut space stations, instead being the highly classified prototype military space station Almaz. It was given the designation Salyut 2 to conceal its true nature. Despite its successful launch, within two days the as-yet-unmanned Salyut 2 began losing pressure and its flight control failed; the cause of the failure was likely due to shrapnel piercing the station when the discarded Proton rocket upper stage that had placed it in orbit later exploded nearby. On April 11, 1973, 11 days after launch, an unexplainable accident caused the two large solar panels to be torn loose from the space station cutting off all power to the space station. Salyut 2 re-entered on May 28, 1973.

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The article is currently assessed as start class, and is in need of attention. It consists of the above paragraph, along with a list of specifications and an infobox. The article needs to be rewritten in a more encyclopaedic style, and with more information about the space station. It has not yet been determined whether Salyut 2 would have to be included in a featured topic about the Salyut programme, or whether since it was never manned it is less integral to the topic, however if its inclusion were necessary then in its current form it would be a major impediment to this. Downlink readers are encouraged to improve this article, with a view to getting it to B-class and possibly a viable Good Article candidate by the end of the month.

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The Downlink: Issue 2

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Issue 2, February 2011

Project News · News from Orbit · Article News · The Charts · Yuri Gagarin

Project News

A report on popular pages from December 2010 revealed surprising trends in readers' interests. Boeing X-37 was the most popular article within the project's scope, with SpaceX Dragon in second with Global Positioning System in third place. The top seven articles were all assessed as C-class, with the remainder of the top ten being Good Articles. It was noted with some concern that moon landing conspiracy theories was more popular than moon landing.

A discussion regarding whether missiles warranted inclusion within the project scope was conducted, and resulted in the continued inclusion of missiles.

The last remaining articles tagged with the banner of the former Human Spaceflight WikiProject were re-tagged with the WikiProject Spaceflight banner. The last banner was removed on 8 January, and the template has since been deleted. The project is thankful to ChiZeroOne for his work in this field.

Concerns were raised that the new article reporting system was not working correctly, however it was noted that there is sometimes a delay before articles appear on the list.

Discussion regarding the existence of the separate spaceflight and space exploration category structures led to a mass CfD being filed on 10 January to abolish the space exploration categories, merging them into their counterparts in the spaceflight category structure. This was successful, and the exploration categories have been removed. Several other categorisation issues remain unresolved.

A proposal was made to standardise some of the infoboxes used by the project, the future of Template:Infobox spacecraft (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) was discussed, and design work began on a replacement. Template:Rocket specifications-all (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) was nominated for deletion and subsequently kept due to extant substitutions, however it was noted that the template had been deprecated by WikiProject Rocketry. Concerns were also raised that the existing infoboxes were not well-equipped to handle spacecraft which operated in more than one orbit, or whose orbits changed over the course of their missions (which in practise is most of them).

Five members of the project gave interviews for the Wikipedia Signpost, and a report on the project, authored by SMasters (talk · contribs), is expected to be published in the 7 February edition of the Signpost. It is hoped that this will raise interest in and awareness of the project.

News from orbit

Four orbital launches were conducted in January, beginning on 20 January with the launch of Elektro-L No.1 on the first Zenit-3F rocket. This was followed later the same day by the launch of a Delta IV Heavy with the USA-224 reconnaissance satellite. The articles for USA-224 and the Zenit-3F rocket could use some expansion, whilst the Elektro-L No.1 satellite needs its own article.

On 22 January, an H-IIB launched the second H-II Transfer Vehicle, Kounotori 2, to resupply the International Space Station. It arrived at the station on 27 January. Less than a day after its arrival, another cargo mission was launched to the station; Progress M-09M departed Baikonur early in the morning of 28 January, docking on 30 January. In addition to payloads to resupply the station, the Progress spacecraft is carrying a small subsatellite, Kedr, which will be deployed in February. Kedr does not currently have an article. Progress M-08M departed on 24 January to make the Pirs module available for Progress M-09M, and has since reentered the atmosphere. Its article needs to be updated to reflect the successful completion of its mission.

The NanoSail-D2 satellite, which failed to deploy from FASTSAT in December, unexpectedly separated from its parent craft and began operations on 18 January, with its solar sail deploying on 21 January.

Nine orbital launches are scheduled to occur in February, beginning with the launch of the first Geo-IK-2 satellite; Geo-IK-2 No.11, atop a Rokot/Briz-KM, on the first day of the month. Articles need to be written for the Geo-IK-2 series of satellites, as well as for Geo-IK-2 No.11 itself, and the Briz-KM upper stage that will be used to insert it into orbit.

A Minotaur I rocket will launch NRO L-66, a classified payload for the US National Reconnaissance Office, on 5 February. The payload has not yet been identified, however once more details are known, it will need an article. Iran is expected to launch the Rasad 1 and Fajr 1 satellites in February, with 14 February the reported launch date. The satellites will fly aboard a single rocket; either the first Simorgh or the third Safir. Once this launch occurs, the satellites will need articles, and the article on their carrier rocket will require updating.

The second Automated Transfer Vehicle, Johannes Kepler, is scheduled to launch on 15 February to resupply the ISS. Docking is expected to occur on 23 February. 23 February will also see the much-delayed launch of Glory atop a Taurus-XL 3110 rocket. This will be the first Taurus launch since the launch failure in early 2009 which resulted in the loss of the Orbiting Carbon Observatory. In addition to Glory, three CubeSats will be deployed; KySat-1, Hermes and Explorer-1 [PRIME]. KySat and Hermes require articles, whilst the article on Explorer-1 [PRIME] needs to be updated.

On 24 February, a Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat rocket will launch the first Glonass-K1 satellite; Glonass-K1 No.11. Articles are needed for the series of spacecraft, as well as for the specific satellite being launched. It is likely that a Kosmos designation will be given to the payload when it reaches orbit. In the evening of 24 February, Space Shuttle Discovery will begin its final mission, STS-133, carrying the Permanent Multipurpose Module, a conversion of the Leonardo MPLM, to the ISS. Other payloads include an ExPRESS Logistics Carrier, and the Robonaut2 experimental robot. The first manned mission of 2011, Discovery's six-man crew will transfer equipment to the station, and two EVAs will be performed. The launch has already been scrubbed five times, before Discovery was rolled back to the Vehicle Assembly Building to inspect and repair cracks on its External Tank.

At some point in February, a Long March 3B rocket is expected to launch two navigation satellites; Compass-M2 and Compass-M3, as part of the Compass navigation system. The date of this launch is currently unknown. Both satellites will require articles once more information is available. A PSLV launch, carrying the Resourcesat-2, X-Sat and YouthSat spacecraft, is expected to launch from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre towards the end of the month, probably between 20 and 23 February.

Stop press: The Rokot launch was conducted at 14:00 UTC on 1 February, and at the time of writing it appears to have ended in failure, due to a suspected upper stage malfunction. The spacecraft is in orbit, it is not clear at the time of writing whether it will be salvageable.

Article news

Reaction Engines Skylon is currently undergoing peer review, its discussion page can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Reaction Engines Skylon/archive1. A user requested feedback on major changes which had been made to the article, however at the time of writing no responses have been offered.

Following up on the issues covered in the last issue, the requested move of Missile Range Instrumentation Ship to Tracking ship was successful, with the article being renamed. The discussion concerning types of launch and landing resulted in a proposal to merge VTVL into VTOL, however this has been met with some opposition. Several other options have been suggested on Talk:VTVL. The large scale deletion of mis-tagged Soviet images on Commons went ahead, with most of the useful ones having already been backed-up locally under fair use criteria.

Discussion was held regarding the naming of spaceflight-related articles. Concerns were raised regarding inconsistency in article titles and disambiguators. A project guideline was adopted to standardise titles, with the parenthesised disambiguators "(satellite)" and "(spacecraft)" being adopted as standards for spacecraft, and the exclusion of manufacturers' names from article titles was recommended. Issues regarding Japanese spacecraft with two names, the correct names for early Apollo missions, and dealing with acronyms and abbreviated names remain unresolved.

A large number of articles were moved to conform to the standard disambiguation pattern. In addition, several Requested Moves were debated. A proposal to move SpaceX Dragon to Dragon (spacecraft), which began prior to the adoption of the standardised disambiguators, was successful. Atmospheric reentry was subject to two requested moves, firstly one which would have seen it renamed spacecraft atmospheric reentry, which was unsuccessful, however a second proposal shortly afterwards saw it moved to atmospheric entry. A proposal currently under discussion could see Lunar rover (Apollo) renamed Lunar Roving Vehicle

Questions surrounding the transliteration of Russian names resurfaced, with a proposal to rename Vladimir Chelomey to Vladimir Chelomei being closed with no consensus, and a proposal to rename Yury Usachov to Yuri Usachev ongoing.

Several long-standing merger proposals were closed. A proposal to merge Venera 15 and Venera 16 into Venera 15 and 16 was closed as no consensus, with the combined page being moved to Venera 4V-2 to reduce the overlap in the articles' scopes. Returnable satellite was merged into Fanhui Shi Weixing.

Experimental Assembly of Structures in EVA and Assembly Concept for Construction of Erectable Space Structures was nominated for Good Article reassessment due to concerns over the article's quality. Doubts were also expressed over the thoroughness of the original review conducted upon its nomination for GA status. It was also suggested that the article's title may not be the most common name for the experiment, and that it might be necessary to move the page. Concerns were also raised regarding whether Space Interferometry Mission was up-to-date, however these are being addressed. Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet looks likely to be promoted to GA status.

Help was requested for adding citations to List of Mir spacewalks. A request was made that STS-88 be reviewed against the B class criteria, and suggestions for improvements made. Another user requested improvements to the article Yuri Gagarin, with a view to having the article promoted to featured status in time for the fiftieth anniversary of his Vostok 1 mission. As a result of this request, Yuri Gagarin is this month's selected article.

Questions were raised as to whether an article or category should be created to cover derelict satellites. The categorisation of spacecraft by the type of rocket used to place them into orbit was also suggested. In another categorisation issue, it was questioned whether Space law should fall under space or spaceflight.

Stop press: Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet has now been promoted to GA status.

The Charts

There is no editorial this month as no content was submitted for one. Instead, we present the "top ten" most popular articles within the project, based on the number of page views in January. Space Shuttle Challenger disaster was the most popular article of the last month, up fourteen places from 15^th in December. Space Shuttle Challenger was the highest climber in the top 40, up 42 places from 50^th. December's most popular article. Boeing X-37, dropped 57 places to 58^th. On a happier note further down the chart, moon landing is now ahead of moon landing conspiracy theories.

№	Article	Movement
1	Space Shuttle Challenger disaster	↑14 (15)
2	Richard Branson	↑5 (7)
3	Neil Armstrong	↑2 (5)
4	Space Shuttle Columbia disaster	↑16 (20)
5	Global Positioning System	↓2 (3)
6	Apollo 11	↑2 (8)
7	Satellite	↑4 (11)
8	Space Shuttle Challenger	↑42 (50)
9	Apollo 13	↓3 (6)
10	NASA	↓1 (9)

For the full list of the top 1,500 popular pages within the project, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Popular pages (or the archived record for January).

Selected Article: Yuri Gagarin

Yuri Gagarin was the first man to fly in space, aboard Vostok 1 in April 1961. He was subsequently awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union, and was training for a second flight at the time of his death in 1968.

His article describes him and his spaceflight experience:

“

Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin (Russian: Ю́рий Алексе́евич Гага́рин, Russian pronunciation: [ˈjurʲɪj ɐlʲɪˈksʲeɪvʲɪtɕ ɡɐˈɡarʲɪn]; 9 March 1934 – 27 March 1968), Hero of the Soviet Union, was a Soviet cosmonaut who on 12 April 1961 became the first human to journey into outer space.

On 12 April 1961, Gagarin became the first man to travel into space, launching to orbit aboard the Vostok 3KA-3 (Vostok 1). His call sign in this flight was Kedr (Cedar; Russian: Кедр). During his flight, Gagarin famously whistled the tune "The Motherland Hears, The Motherland Knows" (Russian: "Родина слышит, Родина знает"). The first two lines of the song are: "The Motherland hears, the Motherland knows/Where her son flies in the sky". This patriotic song was written by Dmitri Shostakovich in 1951 (opus 86), with words by Yevgeniy Dolmatovsky.

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The article is currently assessed as C class, and had been assessed as B class prior to the criteria being redefined. Although a full reassessment has not yet been made, it seems close to the B class criteria, however details on his spaceflight experiences are somewhat lacking. It has been requested that the article be developed to Featured status by April, in time for the fiftieth anniversary of his mission.

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The Downlink: Issue 3

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Issue 3, March 2011

Project News
News from Orbit
Article News
Direction of the Project
The Charts
Europa

Project News

There have been very few discussions relating to the administration of the project in the last month, as things start to settle down after the merger.

An invitation template has been created in an effort to attract new users to the project. Discussion was also held regarding the creation of a list of common templates, however no conclusions were reached. A proposal was made to implement an A-class assessment process, however editors are undecided about whether it would be best to copy the system used by another project such as WP:MILHIST, or to develop one specifically for the requirements of this project.

User:ChiZeroOne has set up a collaboration page in his userspace, initially focussing on articles related to Skylab. Collaboration pages were at one point proposed as part of the structure of the Spaceflight project itself, however no consensus was achieved on the issue. If this collaboration is successful, it could open the door to a reevaluation of that situation.

News from orbit

Five orbital launches were conducted in February, out of nine planned. The first, that of the Geo-IK-2 No.11 satellite atop a Rokot/Briz-KM ended in failure after the upper stage malfunctioned. The Rokot has since been grounded pending a full investigation; the satellite is in orbit, but has been determined to be unusable for its intended mission. A replacement is expected to launch within the year. A general article on Geo-IK-2 satellites is needed, to supplement those on the individual satellites.

A Minotaur I rocket launched USA-225, or NROL-66, on 6 February following a one-day delay. The second Automated Transfer Vehicle, Johannes Kepler, was successfully launched on 16 February to resupply the ISS. Docking occurred successfully on 24 February, several hours before Space Shuttle Discovery launched on its final flight, STS-133. Discovery docked with the ISS on 26 February, delivering the Leonardo module and an ExPRESS Logistics Carrier to the station. Following several delays, a Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat rocket launched the first Glonass-K1 satellite; Glonass-K1 No.11, on 26 February. It is currently unclear as to whether the satellite has received a Kosmos designation or not.

Seven launches are expected to occur in March. On 4 March, the Glory satellite will launch atop a Taurus-XL 3110 rocket. Three CubeSats will be also be deployed by the Taurus; KySat-1, Hermes and Explorer-1 [Prime]. KySat and Hermes require articles, whilst the article on Explorer-1 [PRIME] needs to be updated. This launch was originally scheduled for February, but following a scrubbed launch attempt, it was delayed.

4 March will also see the launch of the first flight of the second X-37B, atop an Atlas V 501. An article is needed for that flight, which will probably receive a USA designation once it reaches orbit. On 8 March, Discovery is expected to land, bringing to an end the STS-133 mission, and retiring from service 27 years after its maiden flight. On 11 March, a Delta IV Medium+(4,2) will launch the NROL-27 payload. Whilst the identity of this payload is classified, it is widely believed to be a Satellite Data System communications satellite, bound for either a molniya or geostationary orbit. An article for this payload is required. 16 March will see the return to Earth of Soyuz TMA-01M, carrying three members of the ISS Expedition 26 crew.

A Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle is expected to deploy the Resourcesat-2, X-Sat and YouthSat spacecraft during a launch in March. The flight has been delayed several times, and was expected to have launched last month, however it is currently scheduled to occur no earlier than 20 March. On 29 March, an Ariane 5ECA will launch the Yahsat 1A and New Dawn communications satellites. Both currently require articles. On 30 March, a Soyuz-FG will launch the manned Soyuz TMA-21 mission to the International Space Station carrying three Expedition 27 crewmembers.

On 31 March, a Proton-M/Briz-M launch will carry the SES-3 and Kazsat-2 spacecraft into orbit, in the first dual-launch of commercial communications satellites on a Proton. Several other launches may occur in March, however their status is unclear. Last month, a Long March 3B rocket was expected to launch two navigation satellites; Compass-M2 and Compass-M3, however this launch did not take place. It is unclear if it has been delayed to March, or further. The launch of the Tianlian 2 communications satellite on a Long March 3C may also be conducted in March, or possibly April. Both the Compass and Tianlian launches would occur from the same launch pad, which requires a turnaround of almost a month between launches, so it is unlikely that both will happen in March. A Safir launch, which had been expected in February, now appears to have been delayed to April, but given the secrecy of the Iranian space programme, this is unclear.

Article news

Discussion regarding the merger of articles on launch and landing modes seems to have stagnated, with no consensus being reached on any existing proposal. A discussion regarding changes in the sizes of Soviet and American rockets during the 1950s and early 1960s was conducted, with claims that rockets became smaller in that period being dismissed, however it was noted that smaller rockets were developed with equivalent capacity to older ones were developed, as well as much larger ones with increased capacities.

Category:Derelict satellites orbiting Earth was created as a result of discussion surrounding the categorisation of derelict satellites. Concerns have also been raised that satellites are being listed as no longer being in orbit whilst still in orbit and derelict, and a discussion was held on how their status could be verified. An effort to categorise spacecraft by the type of rocket used to launch them is underway, however the categorisation of satellites by country of launch was rejected.

It was reported that a sidebar has been created for articles related to the core concepts of spaceflight. Editors noted that it should only be used for core concepts, and not where it would conflict with an infobox. An anonymous user requested the creation of an article on moon trees. It was pointed out that the subject already had an article, and a redirect was created at the title proposed by the anonymous user.

Concerns were raised regarding the quality of the article Japan's space development. Editors noted that the article appeared to be a poorly-translated copy of an article from the Japanese Wikipedia, although there have been some signs of improvement. Discussion regarding moving the article to Japanese space program is ongoing, however a move request has not yet been filed.

A particular concern was raised regarding false claims in the article Van Allen radiation belt. In one case a scientist to whom one of the claims had been attributed was contacted, and clarified that he had made a remark to that effect as a joke in the 1960s, but was not entirely sure how or why it had been included in the article. Other concerns were raised before the discussion moved to WikiProject Astronomy.

A question was raised regarding the copyright status of images credited to both NASA and ESA, particularly with regard to images of the launch of the Johannes Kepler ATV. The discussion reached no general conclusions, however it was found that the specific images that were suggested for inclusion in the article could be used, since they were explicitly declared to be in the public domain.

A template, Template:Spaceflight landmarks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), was created to cover landmarks in the United States that are related to spaceflight. Several sources of public-domain NASA images were also discussed, and it was noted that almost all NASA images are public domain, however there are some exceptions.

It has been proposed that Leonardo MPLM be merged with Permanent Multipurpose Module since the two cover separate uses of the same spacecraft. A review of the article STS-88 has also been requested.

Three new Good Articles have been listed: Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet, Bold Orion and SA-500D. Orion (spacecraft) was delisted after concerns that it contained out-of-date content. SA-500D is currently undergoing good article reassessment, using the community reassessment method, after the review of its good article nomination was criticised for being lenient and not sufficiently thorough. Mir, Mark E. Kelly and Reaction Engines Skylon have been nominated for Good Article status and are awaiting review, whilst List of Mir spacewalks is undergoing a peer review with a view to it becoming a featured list.

Editorial: Direction of the Project

Well folks, its now been more than three months since the discussion that reformed the space-related WikiProjects, and in that time we've had a number of achievements we can be rightly proud of; we've gathered members up to a total of 43, improved awareness of the project via an interview in the Signpost, and refreshed the spaceflight portal into an attractive, up-to-date and useful page. Meanwhile, User:ChiZeroOne has made a sterling effort in clearing up talk page templates belonging to prior projects, we've managed to sort out various policies, started work on rearranging our templates, and User:GW Simulations has begun this excellent monthly newsletter for us. However, there are a few areas of the project that seem to be passing by the wayside, specifically the areas dedicated to fostering collaboration on articles and article sets between the project members, so here I present a call for more collaboration on the project.

Presumably, the lack of collaboration is due to folks not being aware of what's going on, so here's a quick rundown of some of the ways you get involved in the group effort. Firstly, and most importantly, it'd be fantastic if more members got involved in the discussions ongoing at the project's main talk page, found at WT:SPACEFLIGHT. There are several discussions ongoing there, such as the relaunch of the spacecraft template, requests for assistance with various assessment and copyright queries, and conversations regarding category organisations, which affect many more articles, and thus editors, than are currently represented in the signatures so far.

Secondly, it was established earlier on in the project's formation that a great way to attract more editors would be to develop some good or featured topics. There are a couple of efforts ongoing to try to see this idea to fruition, such as the Space stations working group and ChiZeroOne's own collaboration page, currently focussed on Skylab-related articles. These pages, however, have been notably lacking in activity lately, which is a shame, as their aims, given enough editor input, would really see the project furthering itself. Similarly, there are a number of requests for assessment for articles to be promoted to GA class, among other things, on the Open tasks page, which lists all of the activities needing input from members. If everyone could add this page to their watchlists and swing by it regularly, we could power through the good topics in extremely short order! Other things that could do with being added to people's watchlists include Portal:Spaceflight/Next launch‎, the many templates at Template:Launching/Wrappers and the task list at Portal:Spaceflight/Tasks.

Finally, I'd like to try and get people involved in finally settling the organisational problem we have with reference to the task forces and working groups. Whilst the Timeline of spaceflight working group is a continuation of the old Timeline of spaceflight WikiProject and thus is ticking over nicely and the space stations working group has been mentioned previously in this editorial, the task forces (Human spaceflight and Unmanned spaceflight) in particular are currently dead in the water. I'm unsure as to whether or not this is because people are unaware of their existence, they clash too much with one another and the rest of the project or because people don't see a need for them, but if interested parties could make themselves known and others voice suggestions for getting rid of them, we can decide either if they're worth keeping and get them running again, or do away with a layer of bureaucracy and close them down. Any thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated.

In summary, then, we've got a great project going here, with a nice set of articles, a good editor base and lots of ways of getting involved. Thus, a plea goes out to everyone to get involved, get editing with the other project members, and hopefully we'll see ourselves take off in a manner not dissimilar to the trajectory dear old Discovery took last week. Many thanks for everyone's hard work so far, and poyekhali! :-)

The Charts

Since it is useful to keep track of the most viewed pages within the project's scope, it seems like a good idea to continue this feature, which was originally included in last month's issue as a one-off.

Satellite was the most popular article of February, up six places from seventh in December. STS-133 was the highest climber in the top 10, up 78 places from 88^th. January's most popular article, Space Shuttle Challenger disaster, dropped seven places to eighth. Moon landing remains ahead of moon landing conspiracy theories for the second month in a row.

Of the top ten, two articles are featured content, two are listed as Good Articles, and the remaining six are assessed as C-class.

№	Article	Movement
1	Satellite	↑6 (7)
2	Space Shuttle	↑11 (13)
3	NASA	↑7 (10)
4	Neil Armstrong	↓1 (4)
5	Apollo 13	↑4 (9)
6	Global Positioning System	↓1 (5)
7	International Space Station	↑5 (12)
8	Space Shuttle Challenger disaster	↓7 (1)
9	Apollo 11	↓3 (6)
10	STS-133	↑78 (88)

For the full list of the top 1,500 popular pages within the project, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Popular pages (or the archived record for February).

Selected Article: Europa

Europa was a rocket developed by a multinational European programme in the 1960s. Consisting of British, French and German stages, it was intended to provide a European alternative to the US rockets used for the launch of most Western satellites to that date. Although the British Blue Streak first stage performed well on all flights, problems with the French and German stages, as well as the Italian-built payload fairing, resulted in the failure of all multistage test flights and orbital launch attempts. The programme was abandoned after the failure of the Europa II's maiden flight in 1971. The article Europa (rocket), describes it:

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The Europa rocket was an early expendable launch system of the European Launcher Development Organisation (ELDO), which was the precursor to the European Space Agency and its Ariane family of launchers. The programme was initiated by the UK and the first launch occurred in August 1967.

Tasks were to be distributed between nations: the United Kingdom would provide the first stage (derived from the Blue Streak missile), France would build the second and Germany the third stage.

The Europa programme was divided into 4 successive projects :

Europa 1: 4 unsuccessful launches
Europa 2: 1 unsuccessful launch
Europa 3: Cancelled before any launch occurred
Europa 4: Study only, later cancelled

The project was marred by technical problems. Although the first stage (the British Blue Streak) launched successfully on each occasion, it was the second or third stage that failed.

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The article is currently assessed as start-class, and is missing a lot of information. It also lacks some basic features such as inline citations. Since Europa was a fairly major programme, enough information should be available to produce a much higher quality article, and it could probably be brought up to GA status with enough effort.

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