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DYK for Revolution of 1719

On 7 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Revolution of 1719, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Revolution of 1719 ended the rule of the Lords Proprietors in South Carolina? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Revolution of 1719. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Revolution of 1719), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Olivia Jade Giannulli

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Please comment on Talk:List of French marquisates

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:List of French marquisates. Legobot (talk) 04:24, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Dolo hospital airstrike

On 19 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dolo hospital airstrike, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Italy bombed a Swedish hospital in Dolo during the Second Italo-Ethiopian War? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dolo hospital airstrike. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Dolo hospital airstrike), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Olivia Jade

On 22 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Olivia Jade, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that while American social media celebrity Olivia Jade said, "I don't really care about school", she applied and was accepted to the University of Southern California? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Olivia Jade), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Brexit

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Could you please explain to me how a compelling case for the inclusion of this content might go?[1] Because frankly, I'm at a loss. This is easily the most embarrassing and shameful RfC I've ever seen: from the behavior of editors in it to the closure. It's absolutely dripping with anti-intellectualism and disdain for proper sourcing. Peer-reviewed research by recognized experts is dismissed as speculation, with editors rambling about how economists are idiots (while mind-boggingly citing examples that literally prove economists were right) and how data by the IMF may be falsified to intentionally hurt Brexit. And you count the votes as equal and determine no compelling case either way has been for the inclusion or removal of peer-reviewed research published by leading economists on something that has a massive impact on countless British lives and livelihoods.

I'm here to learn. Please instruct me how I should go about making a compelling case in a RfC. Because if I can't argue for the inclusion of one sentence of peer-reviewed research (on an encyclopedia which desperately needs it), something must be wrong with me. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 02:39, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Snooganssnoogans:

"Could you please explain to me how a compelling case for the inclusion of this content might go?" There are some tips on how to build a consensus here: WP:CON.
"This is easily the most embarrassing and shameful RfC I've ever seen: from the behavior of editors in it to the closure." I'm sorry you feel that way. All closed discussions can be challenged at WP:ANB. I have no problem if you'd like to do so. When dealing with subjective subject-matter it is possible for an individual to make a wrong call. While I've closed many RfCs and have yet had anyone express dissatisfaction with any of those closes, there's a first time for everything and I would take no offense in having my reading of the discussion reviewed.
"I'm here to learn. Please instruct me how I should go about making a compelling case in a RfC." Unfortunately, I'm not able to provide individualized instruction, however, Wikipedia does have a mentoring program called Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. Based on your edit count you're probably not the typical editor for which this service is intended, however, it is the only avenue of which I'm aware for those seeking a program of instruction. You can also ask specific questions at WP:TEAHOUSE.

Happy editing! Chetsford (talk) 03:35, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Oldest and wealthiest

Greetings Chetsford. Thanks for closing the RfC at Talk:Donald Trump#RfC: oldest and wealthiest. There seems to be some confusion about the part of the sentence stating that Trump became the only president "without prior military or government service." That snippet was not under debate, because it has already been in the article for a long time, and there was no suggestion to remove it (compare current text to proposed text). I think you should amend your close accordingly. — JFG ^talk 22:26, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks JFG, it was poorly worded and I've clarified it. Sorry for the confusion. Chetsford (talk) 22:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

Hello Chetsford,

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Speedy deletion of Draft:College Buddies

The page Draft:College Buddies has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done for the following reason:

see prior log entry

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

Please do not recreate the material without addressing these concerns, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you think this page should not have been deleted for this reason, or you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. 331dot (talk) 00:15, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

331dot - I think you meant to leave this on Keothere's page. My only involvement with College Buddies was to reject it at AfC. Chetsford (talk) 00:22, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Apologies, the notice is automatic; it came here because you posted the decline of their draft after I had deleted the draft, so you were logged as the creator of the page. 331dot (talk) 00:24, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Oh, got it - sorry, my mistake! Chetsford (talk) 00:24, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

No big deal, it happens. Thanks for your efforts. 331dot (talk) 00:28, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Legobot (talk) 04:23, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations from the Military History Project

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Duplicate in Infobox military unit

Hi Chetsford. There are duplicate "aircraft_helicopter_transport" parms in the "Infobox military unit" you added here. I assume you cut-and-pasted from some source; it would be useful to remove the dup in the source, to prevent future problems :-) Davemck (talk) 17:04, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 7

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BLP

Thanks for the discussion close at Talk:Schoharie_limousine_crash#RfC:_Victims_names_list. Not really material in that case, but on a point of order your assertion in the close that "BLP does not apply here as all victims were fatalities and, therefore, not living persons. The deceased have no valid privacy concerns" is not automatically true. Per Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Recently_dead_or_probably_dead, people who have died recently (and recently is undefined, but times of order 6 months, 1 year, 2 years are mentioned) are afforded the same level of discipline as a full BLP. The privacy concern in that instance pertains to the living relatives, rather than the deceased individual. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 21:55, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Amakuru. I'm aware of WP:BDP but didn't, and don't, believe it's applicable in this instance as the matter in question does not have "contentious or questionable material about the dead that has implications for their living relatives and friends" which is the intent behind BDP. In closing discussions one has to balance comprehensiveness against readability and it is not always possible to address every possible manner in which any possible person might interpret the close. Nonetheless, I'm sorry you found the closure to be of inferior quality and I'd strongly encourage you to request a closure review. Thanks! Chetsford (talk) 22:26, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Roosevelt dictatorship

On 13 July 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Roosevelt dictatorship, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that some supporters of US president Franklin Roosevelt called for him to assume dictatorial powers in 1933? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Roosevelt dictatorship. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Roosevelt dictatorship), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 00:02, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Trampas Whiteman AfD - missing nomination page

Howdy. You AfDed this - diff, but failed to create a nomination page (or perhaps Twinkle failed mid-operation?) - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trampas Whiteman. Icewhiz (talk) 07:36, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that, Icewhiz. I actually meant to abort that mid nom as I discovered a source that seemed to make an AfD unnecessary at the last moment. Sorry for the sloppy bookkeeping on my part. Chetsford (talk) 14:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

No worries - aborting mid-Twinkle would seem to have possibly odd results - :-). Icewhiz (talk) 14:44, 16 July 2019 (UTC)