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Good work

Thanks for catching Work Space Claims. This article has been a problem before, & I have now deleted it and given the editors involved in this & previous attempts a final warning about promotionalism. DGG ( talk ) 10:45, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Moniker Guitars

Hi Beth, thanks for reviewing the article on Moniker Guitars. I'd really like to get the neutrality tag off the article. I used reputable sources, but every one of them was overwhelmingly positive as they wrote about this company. That likely came through in the article, but I'm not sure how it could have been avoided. Do you know of another editor who could look at the article? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 02:38, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

First, Magnolia, thanks for writing the article. Having read it again I think you could remove the tag if you want - I can be a little overzealous - but it you want a second opinion you could ask one of the active contributors to WikiProject Guitarists, such as Mac Dreamstate. BethNaught (talk) 07:57, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism reversion

Hi Beth, thanks for your efforts to deal with vandalism. However, please make sure you deal with all the edits by the vandal, not just the most recent one. For examples involving your edits, see the page histories of The Clockwork Three an Red Delicious. You might find Twinkle a helpful tool for reverting vandalism and warning vandals. Graham87 10:12, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Anthem of uzbekistan

Davlat means state in the uzbek language, i am translating correctly please do not change the editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.148.41 (talk) 21:38, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but in English such anthems are called national anthems, and "state" implies a region that is part of a nation. BethNaught (talk) 21:42, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

O'zbekiston Respublikasining Davlat Madhiyasi in English means State Anthem of the Republic of Uzbekistan. I am a teacher in Samarkand city, Uzbekistan sir.

It's better to translate correctly from one language to another right? Am I wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Izzy.neon (talk • contribs) 21:43, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

A good english translation is national, as state implies part of a nation, and any English speaker would call it National. If you like, add a note saying the literal translation is State. BethNaught (talk) 21:49, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

In British and International English it is spoken like that. State = Davlat. Please do not change the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Izzy.neon (talk • contribs) 21:51, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

you made a mistake

you made a mistake — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.118.194 (talk) 09:31, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

In the end, I was beaten to reverting your edit by a fraction. However, the reason for reversion was that there is no evidence that Giorgio Valenton is a notable person of Whittier. BethNaught (talk) 09:39, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism on Ashkan Dejagah

Letting you know that you're vandalizing Ashkan Dejagah's page with your edits. Please stop.--RidiQLus (talk) 19:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

I wish to politely refer you to the policies on living persons, reliable sources, vandalism and the three revert rule. BethNaught (talk) 19:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Feel nightclub - Preston

Hi Beth

Hope you are well.

Couple references for Feel at Preston Students Union

http://www.residentadvisor.net/club.aspx?id=2844 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/bigweekend/2007/specials/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR7XYXib3ro

In addition this site has lot of advertising and press cuttings on the club

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattrycroft/sets/72157594480776618/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timmyp36 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

If you wish to re-add it, do so, citing sources - particularly the Radio 1 one - and ensuring neutral point of view. You may still have to defend it against other editors. Thanks, BethNaught (talk) 16:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Archiving your talk page

Your request for assistance on User talk:ClueBot Commons was just archived. To make sure I have not let anything slip through the cracks, I scan the archiving of that page for things to which I have responded. In doing so this time, I was reminded about your request. The amount of time elapsed is significantly more than should normally be required.

It is possible that the User:ClueBot III documentation is wrong regarding there being a default for the |archivenow= parameter. I will make a change to your config shortly after posting this to add that parameter with what should be an appropriate value. — Makyen (talk) 18:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Makyen. Thank you for taking the time to look into this. I appreciate it as I was quite bemused! I'll see how it goes. Thanks again, BethNaught (talk) 19:20, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. I am happy to do so. I just wish that CB3 did not sometimes take days (example 4 day delay) to start archiving a page so it would be possible to know there is a problem when the archiving does not happen within 24 hours of making a change.
As you probably have noticed, CB3 has now archived the threads you had marked. It looks like the issue was that the documentation was wrong and there is no default value for the |archivenow= parameter. I have updated the documentation so other people at least have accurate documentation to refer to when encountering a similar problem. — Makyen (talk) 07:15, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, no citation

I don't have a citation but I know for a fact that this person was a member of The La's in the early days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.49.86 (talk) 19:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

We need a reliable source for verification. Otherwise, please do not add the information. BethNaught (talk) 19:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Rollback

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Stanford Le Hope

Hi Beth I have been updating the Stanford le hope page Sorry I was not a member when I first did this. I have lived in this small are all my life and have worked on the history of the are for Thurrock Museum, the information is accurate and looking for how to add links for this. I don't think it will look nice on the page if it was just all links to the information source

Regards Shane Ralph — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaner7777 (talk • contribs) 12:01, 14 March 2014 (UTC) shaner7777 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaner7777 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

To do inline citations, follow the instructions at WP:INCITE. Remember to give reliable sources to ensure verifiability. Still, thank you for your efforts to improve Wikipedia. PS, it does not matter whether you have an account or not, as long as you do it right - no need to apologise! Thanks, BethNaught (talk) 16:20, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Bots

This is nothing to do with the Liam Fox thing. But Katieh5584Z is a bot? Seems rather unethical doesn't it having an automated account deleting edits without any real chance of an appeal. No account, so please reply here. 88.104.250.20 (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Looking at Special:Contributions/Katieh5584, it appears Katieh is a very active editor. However, I believe she is not a bot for two reasons: 1) she never edits at night, and 2) she is editing by a program called Huggle. This is a third party application for reverting vandalism, whereby the program presents edits to you for checking, instead of you watching the recent changes feed. Because of this, she does not appear to see that she has messages, or to monitor her talk page to reply to them. Also, since there is less opportunity to check to context of edits, more errors are more likely to be made. If this happens to you again, after you have familiarised yourself with the policies, including those I mentioned, you should explain your changes in the edit summary and redo it, and either discuss on the article talk page or contact another user for help. Thank you, BethNaught (talk) 19:56, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Connecting for good - Speedy deletion

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Anon IP message

What exactly you found not neutral or incorrect? Everything I write is not my opinion, but facts. (Wile You're orientating on your point of view about what is neutral and what is not)

Regarding Telugu language

I have added few famous quotes which you hear a lot when you start Dravidian studies or live in South India. They are not peacock words. Even Prime minister of India says Telugu is Italian of the East during a speech because every word ends with a vowel which is very peculiar in case of Indian languages. During the days of Indology being very active during 18th and 19th centuries, few famous Europeans Indologists quoted so and I have mentioned them. By the way is your work related to Indian languages? I am reverting back my edit. Adios amigo. Bsskchaitanya (talk) 02:20, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Request for help with a user who might need help

I am messaging you because you seem active on the edit warring board. I will try to keep this short in hopes that you will be able to find the time to lend some advice.
At Madariyya, AMMAR9UL3ISLAM has been engaging in a series of long (+100,000 bytes) edits with no sources other than a Facebook link for a group about this Muslim religious order. Some of his edits both on the article's talk page and the article itself seem to be test edits as they include the insertion of weird random wiki markup. He has done this three times: once over a month ago and twice in the past few days. He has not responded to comments on his talk page.
I edit Islam-related articles a lot and frequently, members of obscure religious orders will try to post boatloads of material in poor English that perhaps they know is true as members but for which they have no sources at all. He seems more Homer Simpson-ish than Bart Simpson-ish but his bungling is disruptive, and seems like he/she is unwittingly engaging in a slow edit war.
Could you take a look at the article history if you have the time? And if you do have the time, could you perhaps suggest what a next step would be? MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't claim to be an expert by any means, but I have looked at the histories and talk page etc. I do not think he is technically edit warring, and though he has made several attempts to change the article, there has been no 3RR violation. Still, his edits were clearly devoid of reliable sources, not adhering to NPOV, and not in an encyclopaedic style.
I see you have made civil, good faith attempts to communicate in several places. Per WP:BRD he should really discuss these edits before redoing them. If he continues to add the material, I suggest that you report him on the edit warring board if he violates 3RR, or consider requesting semi-protection, which may be applied to pages "subject to heavy and persistent vandalism or violations of content policy (such as biographies of living persons, neutral point of view)". Even if it were not applied, it would still bring the issue to the attention of administrators. In the meantime I am also watching the article. I hope that helps, BethNaught (talk) 16:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

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Stephanie Laing

i want to delete that page and make her a new one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryannagarber (talk • contribs)

Anon message

Please stop editing my factual posts. I have first hand experience. And enough with the threats, unless you want some of your own from me.

Revision post

Sorry, it is only the translation that changes but my post is none of my views and you got the verifiable source: [1]Edemeule (talk) 19:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I acknowledge that you used a source, but still I think the discussion did not keep to NPOV. In my opinion it has not caused such a stir that WP needs to comment on reactions to the event. BethNaught (talk) 19:06, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Excirial Talk Page

Hey BethNaught, was just wondering why you felt so obliged to but in on a discussion that wasn't anything to do with you, with a really quite passive-aggressive message, on a subject matter I was vindicated for? Maybe you should mind your own business next time, eh?

87.114.185.0 (talk) 19:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I find your accusations of passive-aggressiveness quite hypocritical given your tone. Futhermore on Wikipedia it is sometimes appropriate to reply to a message left on another user's page, if the question can be replied to by any user - as yours was. For your information Excirial thanked me for my comment. Also, your situation really is exceptional and I do not think I can be blamed for not believing you, for the reasons Excirial gave. BethNaught (talk) 19:52, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
If you haven't got any sensible rebukes other than deleting my posts (The internet equivalent of shutting your ears and going, "la la la!" then I trust you admit your mistake? I just felt like you had no place there. Anyway, goodbye and thank you for an entertaining half-hour. 87.114.185.0 (talk) 20:07, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I did not delete them, others did because they appeared to them to be personal attacks. I have already given my reply. On the contrary, you have given me an entertaining half-hour. Thank you and goodbye. BethNaught (talk) 20:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
On the topic of how you supposedly did not delete them: I'd like to quote someone I once spoke to on Wikipedia before; "Unless you can prove that, which I doubt..." I cannot believe someone so obviously lying - and nice rebuttal, by the way. Shame I said it before you. Alright, this time I really am going because I have to go cook dinner, speak to you later maybe. 87.114.185.0 (talk) 20:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
By looking at the page history you can see that it was indeed not me who removed those messages. Is that proof enough? BethNaught (talk) 20:22, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Ed Gibbins

Hi Beth I am ed Giddins. I removed something from my own wiki page that you restored. The reason I removed was because I work for many different charities and organisations and today a charity decided not to use me to help run a function solely because of Wikipedia. !! This has affected me financially to quite a degree ! I will remove it with your Say so later this evening. Regards Ed

You should not edit a page about yourself per WP:COISELF. The material is true and properly sourced, and there is no other reason to remove it under Wikipedia policy. Even if you are who you say, you do not own the article about you. So please do not remove the information. BethNaught (talk) 21:06, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, are you really that mean spirited, ? Me removing something I did 18 years ago has no consequence to anyone in the world but me. Why do you not allow me, an reasonably unheard of person trying make a living to support my 2 children who today lost a job, or rather didn't get offered it because of this Wikipedia entry.

Surely you can just turn a blind eye ?

Giddzo (talk) 21:36, 7 April 2014 (UTC)EdGiddins

That is not how it works. For the reasons I have given, the content should not be removed. You say you are unheard of; but you have to be notable to have a Wikipedia article. You say it is of no consequence; in fact, to allow people to remove information from their biography to make themselves look better is to violate the integrity of the encyclopaedia. I'm sorry, but facts are facts and this is how it is. BethNaught (talk) 21:46, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
If you really want to do this, try discussing it on the article talk page page. But you must not edit an article about yourself, and I doubt you will get concensus to remove the material. BethNaught (talk) 21:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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Edit to rate of Return

BethNaught, Hello, I received a message that you had changed an edit I made. The original text stated For example, 20,000 USD returned on an initial investment of 100,000 USD is a return of 20%. If the 20,000 USD is paid in 5 annual installments of 4,000 USD per year, with no reinvestment, the rate of return is 4,000 / 100,000 = 20% / 5 = 4% per year.

My edit changed the 4,000 to 20,000 as 4000 / 100000 does not equal .20. The original problem states a 20k return on an investment of 100k, a 20% return. 4k / 100k / 5 does not equal 4%, but rather .8%. The 4k comes from the 20 / 5 years, and does not fit as stated in the original text.

The actual problem should state For example, 20,000 USD returned on an initial investment of 100,000 USD is a return of 20%. If the 20,000 USD is paid in 5 annual installments of 4,000 USD per year, with no reinvestment, the rate of return is 20,000 / 100,000 = 20% / 5 = 4% per year. 20k / 100k / 5 = 4% return per year, alternately assuming you knew the return over year was 4k you could then use 4k / 100k = 4% and no further calculation is necessary. You must either replace 4k with 20k or remove the /5 to make the equation proper.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.90.36 (talk)

I have restored your version. Having re-read the example and your message carefully I understand that I made a mistake. Thank you for taking the time to explain the situation to me, and I apologise for the inconvenience and for mistakenly reverting your correction. BethNaught (talk) 15:14, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Zyklon B

Thanks. I've reported the IP to WP:AIV in any case. Dougweller (talk) 18:14, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

<--Moved barnstar to awards page-->

Your kind words are much appreciated, thank you. BethNaught (talk) 21:44, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Ford Focus

I re-edited the Ford Focus page. I am actually not sure how to make a citation, but I included the page where I got the information in the edit.

Thank you

Thank you for notifying me.

Finbar Madden

I recently made a page about Finbar Madden and I spent a lot of time and effort on it. If you could view it and accept it that would be great. Thanks! :)

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Chatsworth CA

Dear Beth, thank you for your e-mail, that was my first experience editing anything on Wikipedia. Recently I have been e-mailing Angelo Bee's web site. Because any purchase of one of the guns he has engraved is a substantial investment, I thought I might go to California and see guns I'm interested in before I buy one. If you go to Mr. Bee's web site, he lists his address as Chatsworth CA. That was the source of my edit.

I apologize if I did anything wrong. mennuti@msn.com

Longfields Davidson Heights Secondary School

I go to the school, the name of the mascot is Otis Midnight Jackson as strange as it may seem.

It would be better to have a reliable source; personal experience doesn't count, I'm afraid.BethNaught (talk) 19:47, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Helo

I cant edit and add more denomination to the

. I dont know why.

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Attack pages

Thanks for patrolling new pages. With an attack page like the one you tagged fifteen minutes ago, there is a better tag to use than {{db-vandalism}}: {{db-attack}} (or {{db-g10}}) has the advantage that it blanks the page automatically, getting the attack off the screen, and puts it in a high-priority queue for admin attention. I have blocked that attacker. Keep up the good work! Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

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Hope this clarifies. I'm happy to AGF under the specified circs.  —SMALLJIM  19:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

It all looks legit, I agree. Thanks again, BethNaught (talk) 20:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Admin Request

Hello Beth.

The Barnstar that I had given myself was while I was just going through the different things in Wikipedia, and had no idea how it would reflect. I had also not known that I would try and be serious about Wikipedia till some years back. I am a regular user of Wikipedia, or I might say, I have a start page in my office system for Wikipedia. Also, it would be be inappropriate to state that I have lack of understanding just because I have low edit counts. It is experience, and not just edit counts that a person be knowledgeable or understanding individual.— Preceding unsigned comment added by harrybrowne1986 (talk • contribs)

The incorrect use of Barnstars, low edit count, failure to make a nominating statement and not signing your post here together demonstrate lack of understanding. Regular use of Wikipedia is not the same as regular editing, and your infrequent editing and low edit count show you have too little experience. I encourage you to gain more experience editing Wikipedia and try again later, if you wish, when you have demonstrated your readiness for adminship.
Also, my name is not Beth. BethNaught (talk) 17:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I Know your name is not Beth. However, I used it, in the course of it, being your user id. I generally never sign, as it is not in my habit to. I will make sure that I sign always, as I think it is one of those points along with many other, that people seem to notice the most, and point towards the most, rather than just understand. I have known that I am not a regular editor, also, I am not too good with giving myself heads up, "nomination statement", and that is why I was not a go goer. Hope, I have not been wrong in choosing my words. Oh, and thank you for the valuable feedback. Vielen Dank. Harrybrowne1986

Vandalism

Hello,

I hope I was able to assist your page by rolling back your version. I have no idea why your count showed 10 instead of 11. So sorry for that.

Danke Schön Vishal Bakhai 22:09, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Jane Egan

Thanks for creating the article :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportygeek (talk • contribs)

I'm glad it's appreciated, thank you. BethNaught (talk) 13:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

JUANES ALBUM

Hey I deleted all the content because, the page already have a real link is P.A.R.C.E. (album). Doesn't have sense have that page, if you can. Erase it :) Greetings from Colombia!

The place to request deletion of a redirect is WP:RFD. However I do not see that any of the criteria are met and in fact one of the keep criteria, that it aids searching, may apply, so in my opinion it is not necessary to delete that redirect page. BethNaught (talk) 19:41, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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shotgun steven maguire

Hi beth

The nickname "shotgun" is a valid nickname, for steven maguire. I watch a lot of snooker and he is known as the shotgun.

Kindest regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.222.202.79 (talk) 19:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Please readd arxiv.org link as the article at springer.com will take $39.95 / €34.95 / £29.95 which is a bit much for such an article. Please consider to cite both the commercial as well as the open access arcticle. Thanks.

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Naomi Gonzalez

My edit was not a "removal without explanation".

The piece said she was named, by some source, among the worst legislatures due to her drunk driving arrest. That is not true. The piece lists three reasons. Either we should remove "because of her drunk driving arrest", or we should include the other reasons the link sates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigercap (talk • contribs)

My mistake, I did't see your edit summary. I apologise. BethNaught (talk) 07:05, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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Questia Online Library

I'm attempting to revise some old/out-of-date information, and add some new tools and services to the Questia Online Library page, which were taken down because they were not written from a neutral perspective. I understand that Wikipedia isn't meant to be promotional, and I tried not to be. Apparently I failed though. Could you offer some advice on getting the new tools and services added to the page without them being taken down? My intention is not to advertise, merely to inform. Thank you for your time and consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.32.191.1 (talk) 20:01, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

First, thank you for trying to update the article. I appreciate it that you did not add blatant promotion, as many companies would do. However, as your IP address is registered to Cengage Learning, you clearly have a conflict of interest about the article. Therefore it is strongly recommended that instead of editing the article, you add your suggestions on the article's talk page, so that other editors and review and check your proposals. Remember to include reliable sources: unfortunately, the reference you added in the "Service" section was promotional and, it appears, not independent of Cengage and Questia. (Note however that plain facts may be sourced to a Cengage or Questia page, if you take extra-special care to be factual and not promotional.) I will shortly make a "bare-bones" update, attempting to phrase your additions in a more neutral manner, beyond that, please feel welcome to suggest changes on the talk page (ensuring you declare your interest in Questia, for transparency). BethNaught (talk) 20:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
I have now made the edits. BethNaught (talk) 20:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Help! New World Translation...

I need help with page protection and need someone to talk to. A page that is near and dear to my heart has been vandalized and ruled like a dictator for years by someone and don't know what to do. Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjjlee (talk • contribs) 03:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

If you want page protection, you need to ask at WP:RFPP, but you won't get it because you're involved in an edit war. The recategorisations you have been doing are subjective and won't find much sympathy among other editors, and you have kept removing content that is properly cited, because it said that someone has said something, not that is is necessarily true. Whether that is undue coverage you need to discuss on the article talk page. Repeat: discuss on the talk page.
By the way, there is no vandalism and it is strongly unlikely that the page has been ruled by a dictator. There is no cabal. BethNaught (talk) 06:44, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi BethNaught,
I am sorry that I was involved in this edit war. It is the first and last edit war that I will be involved in...
Thank you for caring about pages on Wikipedia so much that you want to make sure that they do not get vandalized. Because you have such a hatred of vandalism, as shown by your recent Anti-Vandalism Barnstar award, I am reasonably sure that you would want to know if someone was vandalizing a page, and that through their vandalizing, had actually gained control of it. If you could just give me just a small amount of your attention I could show you that this has been going on on the New World Translation page.
Please do me this honor...Fjjlee.
(P.S. Talking with jethro77 on the talk page will not help. He accepts no edits... :/ as is shown by the talk page. And I think that there is a potential for a cabal here. When both I and Jethro were blocked out of the page, the person(blackcab) that reverted it back to the previous state has on his user page that he is an ex-Jehovah's Witness. He is part of a movement designed to the besmirch Jehovah's Witnesses.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjjlee (talk • contribs) 13:07, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the page history I see that Jethro77 Jeffro77 frequently edits the page and has had significant input. However, the few of his edits I viewed appeared reasonable to me (though I confess that I am a novice in all matters JW-related). I would be willing to check any specific diffs you could post to check for vandalism or tyrannical behaviour. (How to make a diff) Still, I noticed that it has been months since the talk page was edited. Maybe you should try again there - different editors might turn up, and I am now also watching the page. Another thing - I understand that you have concerns about Blackcab's neutrality, but unless you have evidence of them being anti-JW you should assume good faith and not accuse them, as that would only sour the civil editing atmosphere we attempt to maintain. Being an ex-JW does not necessarily imply he is on a crusade. (Again, send me diffs if I am wrong.) Thanks. BethNaught (talk) 15:14, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Fjjlee's accusation that I have vandalised the NWT article (or any other article) is pointedly false and should be immediately retracted. Very clear and specific reasons were given for reverting Fjjlee's edits. Fjjlee's claim that BlackCab reverted edits after I was "blocked out of the page" is a lie, as I wasn't blocked from editing the article at any time. BlackCab and I are two of four editors who reverted Fjjlee's edits, and neither of us were the first editor to revert Fjjlee (that was Editor2020). And there is no "th" in my username.--Jeffro77 (talk) 13:06, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Should I still assume good faith? Do they appear to be rationale to you, BethNaught? in my last comment I have done nothing but try to bury the hatchet. I Unfortunately, knew that this would be the sort of response I got because these people are diametric opposers of the Watchtower Society and desire to do it harm using Wikipedia and twisting the truth. Fjjlee (talk) 15:28, 15 May 2014 (UTC)Fjjlee
Calling stuff vandalism isn't burying the hatchet, Fjjlee. I suggest you read Wikipedia:The Truth - Wikipedia requires objective independent sources and is not for POV pushing. Adding unverified information, or classifying reviews, looks like original research, which cannot be accepted. I'm glad you've taken the discussion to the article talk page and I think the discussion should all go there. Jeffro77, sorry for misspelling your name. Also, be assured that since no evidence has appeared or been presented to me, I do not believe you to be a vandal. The edits summaries you gave for reversion seem reasonable to me.. Another thing Fjjlee: after Blackcab reverted you an IP reverted to your version. If that was you logged out that is Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry and not allowed. If you believe people are trying to do down the Society, you need to show why what they say is wrong in order to make the article neutral. Now I think it is time to wipe the slate, assume good faith, keep a neutral point of view, and discuss how to improve the article. BethNaught (talk) 15:57, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
I was talking about the New world translation talk page. Have you had a chance to read that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjjlee (talk • contribs)
I have, and I am grateful for your improved civility there. But you should be aware that Wikipedia is not a place to do provocative things, and that citing personal experience is generally a no-no (as we need reliable sources and verifiability). Still, I hope to see effective collaboration about that article in the future. If you haven't already, you should consider reading the five pillars to familiarise yourself with how Wikipedia works. Thank you, BethNaught (talk) 15:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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Sam Greenlee

http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/05/sam_greenlee_author_of_the_spook_who_sat_by_the_door_has_died.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.214.101 (talk) 19:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Then put it in the article, but more reliable sources are needed. BethNaught (talk) 19:05, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Charles Prévost

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As reviewing administrator, I of course did not delete the article. Chair of Organic Chemistry at Faculté des sciences de Paris; is clearly notable . It would help to figure out just what scientific papers he wrote, and specify them. DGG ( talk ) 03:44, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Burlington sound of music festival

My edit was constructive as the information and page title is in correct, please stop doing this and allow me to make the edit as the information is wrong and I would much rather have people directed to our festival website opposed to reading in correct information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.17.103 (talk) 19:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

You needed to explain your edits in the first place. Also, per WP:COI, you are strongly discouraged from edited articles to whose subjects you are connected. Try posting on the talk page explaining what edits need to be made, giving reliable sources. BethNaught (talk) 19:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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Article on Susan Watkins (Draft:Susan Margaret Watkins)

BethNaught, thank you for your comments. I am really pleased that you looked at the article! I am new to this, and am learning a lot. I am also not an experienced computer user, and am constantly amazed by what I manage to miss -- I see now that I need to set up the footnotes as links instead of just listing references. I also see places that I need to change to create a neutral voice. I have just gotten the details of some additional honors that Sue received that I will add, and I need to finish organizing the formatting of her publications. This will take me awhile, as I have end of semester grading this week. For the next step do I just re-submit, for any reviewer, or may I alert you when I have made the changes?Susan.p.ashdown (talk) 15:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll be unreliable for a bit as I have stuff coming up, so I think it's better if you just resubmit the article for any reviewer. Don't worry if it's not perfect when you resubmit it, as Wikipedia is always a work in progress, and after the article gets accepted other users will clean up bits you may have missed. As long as you make sure to use inline citations showing enough reliable sources to show notability, and be neutral, hopefully it will be accepted next time. If you have any questions, ask me, or at the AfC helpdesk or the Wikipedia:Teahouse. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! BethNaught (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

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Vandalism from IP 209.53.181.159

Hello BethNaught,

I am currently using a computer at the Vancouver Public Library's Central Branch (VPL) which is using this IP address. I'm not really sure who to contact, but I thought I'd leave a message for you, as you were the one who left a message for this IP.

I guess this is a heads-up of sorts? There seems to be some sort of spam bot (or maybe it's one frequent patron at the library) who consistently puts same large edit (that definitely constitutes as vandalism) and is using the VPL's IP addresses to do so. It's resulted in a number of workstation IPs being blocked from editing. I don't know if wikipedia has noticed a pattern or not (and may be able to detect if a spambot or something is piggybacking off VPL workstation IPs), or if this is an issue that the system administrations at the VPL must look into.

If it is the former, could you possibly pass this message along?

Thank you.

(I'm afraid I shouldn't sign, since it'll be just the IP number of the workstation and this might get blocked in the future because of the vandal or cause of the vandalism.)

I'm not qualified or knowledgeable enough about technical matters to investigate this, but I have passed it on to an administrator so they can take a look. Thanks, BethNaught (talk) 21:13, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Based on the edits made by this IP range i would assume these edits are made by a somewhat frequent patrol of the library who uses another system each visit (Unless the workstations or wireless at Vancouver Public Library share a pool of IP addresses between themselves). From Wikipedia's perspective however this is just a random IP editing a page - and if that edit proves to be vandalism the IP receives a warning and is eventually blocked. If vandalism is especially severe and the collateral damage manageable an entire range of addresses might be blocked as well. Aside from this there are several other means that can prevent an editor from succeeding in their vandalism attempts.
Aside from reactionary behavior there is little that can be done though. As long as an editor retains access to the system used for vandalism they can change IP adresses or out wait the block itself and resume editing afterwards. This is rarely a problem though - most vandalism is caught in a short timeframe so most editors cease vandalizing after a bit - and even if they don't their attempts rarely result in any success. All in all the only ones who can counter this permanently are the sysadmins at Vancouver Public Library by identifying the cause of the disruption and subsequently barring them from using their systems. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 20:39, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

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Eva Marie

Hi I am wweyglim,maybe u can consider adding some new information to the article,Eva Marie.Like her moves.She have more moves now!so be sure to check. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wweyglim (talk • contribs) 14:25, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome to add her new moves to the list as long as you provide proof using a reliable source. BethNaught (talk) 14:29, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Carter Harris

HI- not sure how wikia had my copy but I am the author of the page. Could you help me with the page and let me know if the citing and notability requirements are satisfied? Thank you so much! Jplippstein (talk) 19:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I have added a template in the References section acknowledging use of Wikia content as that is the simplest way to sort it out. I only learned of this recently or I would have done it before. I think he could be notable, but currently all the sources are connected to him in some way, just lists of awards or IMDB; these types of references are insufficient because we need third party independent reliable sources to verify the content and his notability. Also, you should cite all the facts using inline citations, but I can see a couple of unsupported sentences. I won't formally review it so that way you can add some reliable sources; if you're quick you might get it to acceptable quality by the time a reviewer comes. Good luck! BethNaught (talk) 19:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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BethNaught,

Can you revisit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:National_Oilheat_Research_Alliance_(NORA) ? I believe you indicated the first draft for this new article submition was blank. I have attempted to correct the error that made it appear as such.

65.51.151.93 (talk) 19:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)Christopher (haven't created an account yet, but monitoring that draft)

It seems the error has been fixed. I added a "submit" template to the draft and it is now queued for review. Thank you, BethNaught (talk) 19:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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Jean Hennessey submission

I developed a WP article about Jean Hennessey in my sandbox, and submitted it to WP. The article contains some information from another website called JeanHennessey.org that I wrote and developed and host. This cane verified by looking at the bottom of this page, where it says " web site with fond memories by her son John". My name is John Hennessey, her son. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WonkGuy (talk • contribs) 16:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

My name is John Hennessey {aka WonkGuy}. I wrote an entry in my sandbox for my motor Jean Lande Hennessy. I used some of the words that I posted on a website that I developed and host called: http://JeanHennessey.org . If anyone owns the copyright to these words, it is me. I provided links from this text to the website I created (properly cited!?). What am I doing wrong?? (WonkGuy (talk) 16:28, 21 June 2014 (UTC))

Firstly, thank you for your contributions. The problem with your page was that Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material. This applies regardless of who adds it to Wikipedia. There are two things you can do to overcome this problem:
  • Release the text of the web page under the CC-BY-SA and GFDL licenses. This means that anyone, not only Wikipedia, can use, change and reproduce the content for any purpose, as long as they provide acknowledgement to you. These are the licenses Wikipedia uses so the text would then be compatible with Wikipedia. Further information on the how-tos and issues involved can be found at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials.
  • Rewrite the page in different words, avoiding close paraphrasing. This way your website page is still copyrighted by you with no free content license attached. Of course, what you write for Wikipedia can still be copied as above.
Before you set about doing this there are some things you need to bear in mind:
  • Is Jean Lande Hennessey notable (important or famous enough to have a Wikipedia article)? The relevant guidelines are the general notability guideline and the guideline on the notability of people. In short, you would need to provide multiple, independent reliable sources which give coverage of her in-depth enough to show she is noteworthy.
  • The material in your article needs to be supported by reliable sources so the information can be verified. The article you wrote could be used, but since you are her son, you are probably not neutral about her, and therefore other sources are needed to corroborate what you say.
In my personal opinion, it would be better to rewrite the article in new words. Then you don't have to jump through the licensing hoops. In any case, a rewrite would have to happen anyway to convert the style from an obituary/memorial article to an encyclopaedia article. (For example, beginning with "Jean Lande Hennessy was a..." and reducing the number of quotations.)
I have tried to say what I wanted to clearly, but feel free to ask more questions, either to me or at the Wikipedia:Teahouse, if you need more advice. I hope this helps. Thank you, BethNaught (talk) 18:13, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Beth-

This is NOT copyrighted, I wrote it about my mother, and posted on a website that I created and host. It is about my mother. John Hennessey (WonkGuy).

(WonkGuy (talk) 18:14, 21 June 2014 (UTC))

Everything you write is copyrighted unless you explicitly release in into the public domain, which is not always legally possible, as I understand it. BethNaught (talk) 18:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Simon Grabowski

BethNaught, thanks for your review of my Simon Grabowski article. As I am relatively new to Wiki, can you explain to me how the citations from emailblog.eu, DoesWhat and killerstartups.com do not demonstrate Simon's notability? Also, what little amount of time I have spent on wikipedia edits, usually three citations of third-party, independent, credible features would do it. I can see how the killerstartups.com citation could be considered a "mention in passing;" but the first two to me fulfill the requirement. Do you agree? Would having a third, independent, in-depth published piece on Simon accomplish my goal? Also, Simon's other company Implix, is mentioned in two other wiki pages, [[1]] and [[2]], is that something that if I cite would validate the entry? Moreover, GetResponse was mentioned in Online Trust Audit's 2014 Honor Roll Audit -- a comprehensive evaluation of a site's and mobile applications best practices in brand and consumer protection, security and privacy. Is this a valid citation in your opinion? I am very grateful for your help and thank you in advance for helping me learn more about proper citation in the wiki world. Cheers, L M Gregory 20:23, 21 June 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmartin gregory (talk • contribs)

Hi there. It is true that in terms of notability interviews are a grey area. The rule is that there must be significant independent coverage, and the interviews you cite, once you strip out his answers, leave minimal coverage about him. Therefore I consider that they do not establish notability. However, an interview that gives a couple of paragraphs of independent introduction, or substantial interlaced commentary, may be helpful in doing so.
As to Implix, if he's founded another significant company that makes him more likely to be notable, but you still need to add sources about him or that give significant coverage (a short paragraph, as a rule of thumb) to him. Notability is not conferred by association, you have to get it in your own right. Still, if you had a couple of independent articles about his company, which contained a paragraph covering Grabowski, those would help notability.
Certainly, the more independent third party sources with in depth coverage you can add, the better. Reviewers, sadly, can vary in their standards (and I'm not perfect either), but two such sources would give you a good shot at acceptance in my opinion.
I hope this helps. If you have further questions, please feel free to ask me or at the help desk. Thank you, BethNaught (talk) 20:50, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hi BethNaught,

I have created a page 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PriyankaSingh0710/Sandbox. I have write this article after viewing the guidelines. I have also gone through the other competitors page as well. After lots of research I have written this article.

I have gone through the comment where you have mentioned that Press release is not a reliable source.

Can you please suggest us the reliable source where we can provide you the information of our company.

Regards: Priyanka Singh — Preceding unsigned comment added by PriyankaSingh0710 (talk • contribs) 10:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

The two relevant policies here are Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. In summary, you need to provide sources which are independent of the subject (so no press releases), which are preferably secondary sources with a reputation for accuracy. These sources need to provide significant coverage of the company to show notability, and to support all the content in the article. As to where you can find these sources: has the company been given in depth coverage in newspapers or independent business journals? Those are the best place to start. BethNaught (talk) 11:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

there is no copy righted info in my article

There is no article available on the subject and It what I have written and I am owner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Displaydude (talk • contribs) 10:54, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

We can't be sure that you are the owner. Everything that is written is copyrighted automatically. You either need to rewrite in original words or release the content of the blog page under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL licenses. For a lengthier explanation see #Jean Hennessey submission above. BethNaught (talk) 12:42, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

AfC re-reviews

Thanks for taking the time to do some AfC re-reviews. In order for them to "count", you need to put them in the bottom "Checked reviews" section (copy the line and then add the checked template at the end of the copy) or else they were simply get overwritten by the script that generates the pages. I fixed LukeSurl for you, but you'll want to fix the rest of your reviews. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

@ThaddeusB: thank you for alerting me to this. I've gone through and fixed the others. Has the script changed recently, though? Last time I did a rereview I put it in the top section and the script moved it. BethNaught (talk) 08:18, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
I was unaware it would move things. When I last heard (a couple weeks ago, but your previous edit) it would just blank things. --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
So, it turns out I gave you totally wrong advice. Not only does the script move them to the right spot, it does so even if you already did (making them all have 2 copies). I cleaned up the mess by undoing your and my edits to copy the reviews to the correct spot. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:41, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. Thank you both for your good intentions and for sorting it out after. BethNaught (talk) 20:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

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"Trade" Definition Correction

The opening paragraph for the definition of Trade incorrectly states that the exchanged goods or service comes "from the buyer". Outside of an equal exchange of goods or services (barter) where there is no clear difference between a buyer and a seller, the goods or service comes "from the seller" of those goods or services. We are assuming the buyer exchanges a financial instrument (money) for those goods or services.

Please change it to either read "from the seller" or that "the buyer initiates the voluntary exchange."


200.46.20.160 (talk) 16:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)Antonio Robateau

You are perfectly free to change it yourself should you wish. But this time, explain your reasoning either in an edit summary or on the talk page. I'm afraid I'm not brilliant at economics so I don't want to do this myself. BethNaught (talk) 21:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

19:52:52, 30 June 2014 review of submission by Amberrae08


I am wondering why you believe it reads like an advertisement? I have references and unfortunately we aren't a big company and aren't published in notable publications - however, when you say it reads like an advertisement I'm beside myself. Duluth Pack reads like their website, how isn't this advertising with a list of their products?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_pack

Please let me know what I can do to improve this page to be allowed approval. Thanks!


AmberO 19:52, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

You say that "we aren't published in notable publications" - that means it is quite likely your company does not yet meet the notability guideline for companies and organisations. If you are able to find them, you need to add independent, reliable sources discussing your company in reasonable depth - 1 or 2 paragraphs in each source is a good rule of thumb. This is needed to show notability and is an absolute prerequisite to the draft being approved.
As for the advertising issue, I thought it read like an advert because there are lots of awards listed but very little prose - thereby just promoting how great the company is. Writing a description of the company, and ideally reformatting the awards into prose, would make it read more like an encyclopaedia article, as long as you write with a neutral point of view. Whether Duluth pack is promotional or not is not relevant; there is lots of material on Wikipedia which is not shiny and amazing, but rough around the edges, and that other stuff exists is not a useful thing to discuss.
So, in summary, rewrite in prose, be objective, and most of all add references to reliable independent sources. If you need further help, feel welcome to ask at the Wikipedia:Teahouse or the Articles for creation help desk. Thank you and good luck. BethNaught (talk) 21:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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List of cider brand

Why you have deleted my contributions to List of cider brands? It is very rude. I have added names and URLs just like others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cider Croatia (talk • contribs) 18:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

It would seem that I gave insufficient time to reviewing your edits and agreed too readily with others who called your edits spam. I apologise for that and will not stand in your way. However, given your name is Cider Croatia, and you have only edited about cider from Croatia, this will lead many to believe you have a conflict of interest. If you do then you need to declare it. BethNaught (talk) 18:10, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Civility Barnstar
Thank you for keeping us in line. Bearian (talk) 16:31, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
I could write an essay about the essay but I'm sure you understand the issues so I won't rail. It wasn't so much your comment I got riled at anyway. Still, thank you for the apology, and I guess the barnstar. BethNaught (talk) 17:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Thanks for the amazing work you do - It's people like you that honestly make this 'pedia a better place :),

And again I apologize for the comment which I now regret,
Kind Regards, –Davey2010 • (talk) 16:42, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't say I do amazing work – I just made one comment about sexism and am not aware of having done so previously on-wiki. Thank you for the apology. I'm tempted to MfD the essay, though. BethNaught (talk) 17:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
I meant you do amazing work in general :), To be honest I think it's just a bit of humour and shouldn't be taken seriously but at the end of the day it's entirely up to you :) ,Regards , –Davey2010 • (talk) 17:37, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
@Davey2010: so nominated. Feel free to weigh in at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:GlassCobra/Essays/Hotties are always notable. BethNaught (talk) 19:41, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
That was anticlimactic. BethNaught (talk) 19:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Well... I appear 2 hours later and it's gone, And there I was looking forward to nominating , Well least It's deleted! :) –Davey2010 • (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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Proposal re June BED

There is a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/June_2014_Backlog_Elimination_Drive#We_need_a_conclusion that merits your consideration Fiddle Faddle 16:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Use:Jimbo Wales

Ok sorry but it was kind of funny.--109.155.125.107 (talk) 06:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

DeMoulas Market Basket

I was not vandalizing the Demoulas Market Basket page. I work for the company and I was updating the page to align with recent events that have transpired recently. Nothing I wrote was vulgar or disruptive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.164.234.230 (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

You appear to be changing the link in the infobox from the official company website to a campaign/pressure group. That is factually incorrect and vandalism. BethNaught (talk) 18:44, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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