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November 2023
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Hi, Awesome Aasim. Thanks for patrolling new pages. I've declined your deletion request for a page that you tagged for speedy deletion, because the criterion you used or the reason you gave does not cover this kind of page. Please take a moment to read the new tutorial for patrollers, criteria for speedy deletion, and particularly, the section covering non-criteria. Such pages are best tagged with proposed deletion or proposed deletion for biographies of living persons, or sent to the appropriate deletion discussion. Thanks! 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:44B5:EB74:8213:A2B (talk) 01:32, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hello IP. What happened to "don't template the regulars"? I am very well versed in the speedy deletion policy, and the template came out as a bit patronizing. The few times the speedy was declined or I was unsure I first went to MFD before testing the speedy tag again. It probably is not wise as an IP, even if you are experienced, to meddle around in administrative processes, you should have even read the MFD discussion. I don't think you even took a look at the previous reason why the speedy was declined by User:Liz, specifically they in the decline reason were not aware of which MFD discussion the deletion criteria applied to. You might also want to consider that the page would be eligible for G5 because it was created by a banned Wikipedia editor (see EllenCT and Nrcprm2026) before actually touching these templates. Awesome Aasim 02:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- Why not WP:TTR? Clearly you are not well-versed in the speedy deletion policy or you would not be edit-warring in a speedy tag. It's simple, when in doubt send to the appropriate deletion discussion. Removal of speedies is not an admin-only action as you seem to believe, and yes I've been taken to ANI for it where the prompt consensus was that any user in good-standing may remove speedy tags when acting in good-faith. Even if only admins could do speedy removal you would still have a problem because User:Liz who is an admin declined that exact same speedy, which you tried to edit-war back in, thereby violating deletion policy. If deletion is so obvious, then list at WP:MFD where it will be easily dealt with. On the other hand, if you are tagging because you don't believe an MFD will succeed you are already in the wrong. I don't care if it is kept or deleted, but Liz removed the tag in good-faith believing a discussion was best, and that is all that is needed to have one per policy. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:44B5:EB74:8213:A2B (talk) 03:28, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- Liz removed the tag with this summary: "Removing CSD tag. Please link to a discussion where it was decided to delete this page. Or take it to WP:MFD." But this might meet G5 still. The whole point of the speedy deletion process is to avoid getting wrapped up in discussions that are obvious conclusions. Let's wait and see. Awesome Aasim 03:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- If you had listed at MFD in April when it was first declined there would already be a decision. MFD is much quieter than any other deletion venue, so I find the whole avoid getting wrapped up in discussion shtick unconvincing, and obvious deletes that are borderline speedy cases do not take long, or only as long as it takes one person to type out "Delete per nom", with extra couple of seconds for someone else to punch the xfdcloser button. Even looking more closely, I can't even wrap my mind around why anyone would care one way or another about this page, but if it is an obvious delete as you seem to believe, dealing with it at MFD won't take long. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:44B5:EB74:8213:A2B (talk) 03:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- (sighs) I am pretty sure admins monitor MFD as well. I believe this will be SNOWed if there is almost universal delete !votes. Awesome Aasim 03:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- Well I hope so, but getting input from those with different perspectives doesn't hurt. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:44B5:EB74:8213:A2B (talk) 03:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- (sighs) I am pretty sure admins monitor MFD as well. I believe this will be SNOWed if there is almost universal delete !votes. Awesome Aasim 03:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- If you had listed at MFD in April when it was first declined there would already be a decision. MFD is much quieter than any other deletion venue, so I find the whole avoid getting wrapped up in discussion shtick unconvincing, and obvious deletes that are borderline speedy cases do not take long, or only as long as it takes one person to type out "Delete per nom", with extra couple of seconds for someone else to punch the xfdcloser button. Even looking more closely, I can't even wrap my mind around why anyone would care one way or another about this page, but if it is an obvious delete as you seem to believe, dealing with it at MFD won't take long. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:44B5:EB74:8213:A2B (talk) 03:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- Liz removed the tag with this summary: "Removing CSD tag. Please link to a discussion where it was decided to delete this page. Or take it to WP:MFD." But this might meet G5 still. The whole point of the speedy deletion process is to avoid getting wrapped up in discussions that are obvious conclusions. Let's wait and see. Awesome Aasim 03:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- Why not WP:TTR? Clearly you are not well-versed in the speedy deletion policy or you would not be edit-warring in a speedy tag. It's simple, when in doubt send to the appropriate deletion discussion. Removal of speedies is not an admin-only action as you seem to believe, and yes I've been taken to ANI for it where the prompt consensus was that any user in good-standing may remove speedy tags when acting in good-faith. Even if only admins could do speedy removal you would still have a problem because User:Liz who is an admin declined that exact same speedy, which you tried to edit-war back in, thereby violating deletion policy. If deletion is so obvious, then list at WP:MFD where it will be easily dealt with. On the other hand, if you are tagging because you don't believe an MFD will succeed you are already in the wrong. I don't care if it is kept or deleted, but Liz removed the tag in good-faith believing a discussion was best, and that is all that is needed to have one per policy. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:44B5:EB74:8213:A2B (talk) 03:28, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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