User talk:Andre Kritzinger/Archive 2011

South African Class NG GG13/G16 2-6-2+2-6-2

Dear Andre, thank you for at last communicating! Firstly, when I created the original article, from sources added to the wikipedia Germany original at de:SAR-Klasse NGG 13, like them I concluded that there was probably insufficent difference between the two designs of NGG13 and NGG16 to make two articles. However, I felt what you had created does make some sence, particularly coming at it from your perspective of railways in South Africa. However, the differences are techincal and minute, so making two different articles is essential. The edits I made I felt made that a stronger over weaker diference: hence my reverts to your assumed distructive ditting, an edit note which appears to break WP:AGF. Thirdly, the information you included on SAR's numbering scheme and plates I was going to suggest would make good base text for a separate article on susch a subject. However, repeating the same text in both of these articles and across every other SAR loco article makes no sence. You commented that I removed the gallery, why when such code is included? For the precise reasoning that the generic pictures added little to the overall article quality above that which was available within commons. I also note in your editting style that you multi-link terms continually - please read WP:MOS as to why we don't do this. I think your additions to the wiki-project are excellent, although perhaps some of the labelling and moving of railway articles is better discussed before doing so, just so you get some help in doing it/support if someone later questions it - something that you never did when I asked you previously. Hope to chat soon, Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 16:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, agreed about the SAR's numbering scheme and plates. In fact, making it a separate article has been sitting in the back of my head for a while already and it’s now a good time to do it. Point taken about multi-linking too.

The relabeling and moving of railway articles that caused “havoc” occurred on 28 August last year, three days after I really started doing anything “meaningful” as a contributor and at a stage when I was still totally clueless about the way things work on Wikipedia. And I did respond to and took heed of your reprimand back then. The one or two renamings I did subsequently, I motivated in the “discussion” pages of the articles concerned.

About WP:AGF, it becomes somewhat hard to do with editing comments like “who cares?” and a wham bang undo revision that created the impression that the editing I did do (eg removing multi-links in addition to the ones you did) wasn’t even taken note of. But then, I have days like that too….

So let me try this again. The renumbering is now removed, the number plate text is now removed, with the number plate pictures left in as ordinary illustrations.

I replaced the galleries again since, as I said before, each of those pictures were included for a reason, eg to illustrate something like a version of a locomotive, a livery, a renumbering, etc, as opposed to a picture album with no rhyme or reason to it. It is NOT “a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject“, so I really can’t understand why you have a problem with a thumbnail illustration that is actually merely a pictorial link to another page.

Best regards, and may peace break out now.

André Kritzinger 22:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Stellenbosch to bid for Wikimania 2012!

Hi Andre!

The nascent South African Wikimedia chapter has decided to bid to host Wikimania in Stellenbosch, South Africa in 2012. This would be the first Wikimania in South Africa, and would be a great advertisement for our country. Please take a look at meta:Wikimania_2012/Bids/Stellenbosch. If you can add to the discussion, please do. If you feel that you are able to do anything to help, please join the Wikimedia South Africa mailing list and let us know. Even simple messages of support are valued!

Best regards,

David Richfield

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Thanks for the vote of confidence! André Kritzinger 10:59, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK

Hey, you write some nice articles with some great images in them. I think they'd look great on the Main Page. Perhaps you could nominate your recent creations (the ones from the last week or so) at T:TDYK? All you need is an interesting fact that's reference in the article and the article must have at least 1500 characters of prose. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:32, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

South African Class 11 2-8-2

Hi there. Is it possible to get a citation for the running-board thing in "modifications" in this article? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 15:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Bushranger, tricky one, that. It's clear from photographs but I've still to find it documented in text. Can one use pictures as citations? André Kritzinger 15:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

If they've been published, I believe so, yes. Photographs one's taken one's self would, however, be a violation of WP:OR, I belive, unfortunatly. It's a great article, by the way. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. There may be a way around that in WP:OR#Citing oneself. "If an editor has published the results of his or her research in a reliable publication, the editor may cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our neutrality and conflict of interest policies." These pictures have been published elsewhere as well, at http://grela.rrpicturearchives.net/ André Kritzinger 18:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for South African Class 11 2-8-2

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Cool! Thank you! André Kritzinger 11:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

RSA Barnstar

	The South African Barnstar of National Merit
	In recognition of the huge amount of quality work you have contributed to expand coverage of South Africa's rail history, I hereby award you the South African Barnstar of National Merit NJR_ZA (talk) 12:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
	this WikiAward was given to Andre Kritzinger by NJR_ZA (talk) on 12:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll go pin it on my User Ches^H^H^H^page right away! André Kritzinger 13:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Natal Railway Company

I have started an article for the Natal Railway Company in order to make the history more complete. Have reused some of the information you provided on South African "Natal" 0-4-0WT and found some additional info and refs. You might want to double check my work and expand on it. --NJR_ZA (talk) 08:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Great stuff, I'll fiddle if necessary. Some day, when I'm done with locomotives (not likely soon....) I was planning to tackle the individual railways, so I'm pleased to see it being done already! André Kritzinger 10:37, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that picture (image) "bug" in the infobox, I just could'nt get a handle on that one. For future reference: how did you do that? By going right back to the image file itself? Peter Horn User talk 23:57, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The infobox image needs just the bare file name, without the File: and the [[ ]] bits. That's why it displayed those unnecessary characters above and below the image. André Kritzinger (talk) 00:17, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I should have known. Peter Horn User talk 02:37, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Your signature

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This better? André Kritzinger (talk) 12:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Much better :) Thanks! Sorry to inconvenience you! — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 20:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

GE U26C models

Hi Andre, I notice that you've just changed Template:GE diesels so that the GE U26C model now pipes to South African Class 34-000, instead of NZR DX class. There are also articles for the South African Class 34-400, South African Class 34-500, and South African Class 34-900 variants, but not for the Kenyan or Brazilian versions.

I think that there should be a GE U26C article in the manner of GE U23C which will link them all together. At the very least, there should be a hatnote on the target to point to the others, or possibly use GE U26C as a dab page or expand the template to have small typeface links to each member of the class, such as:

• U25C • U26C (NZR DX class • South African Classes: 34-000 • 34-400 • 34-500 • 34-900) • U28C

Please reply here to keep the thread in one place. Tim PF (talk) 16:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

That's what I'd actually like to see too, just didn't know how to go about setting it up. So in the meantime I inserted one of the four SA versions in there instead of the NZ one, mainly because with 299 U26Cs in total SA is probably the biggest user. Also the manner in which these locos are used on the OREX line is rather unique. Your idea sounds great so please go ahead and set it up. (I also experimented with "collapsed" to force the template to load in the collapsed mode - looks like it's working fine so far.) André Kritzinger (talk) 18:41, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure which idea. Did you mean the GE U26C article in the manner of GE U23C which will link them all together?
I've just looked at the {{for}} hatnote, and realised it's not really appropriate for a redirect like this, so it really needs a GE U26C article of some sort (DAB or real), or a template change. Tim PF (talk) 19:24, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Andre, Tim - there's a already a GE U26C article in de.wikipedia. I found it when I went looking for German language articles about East African rail topics. I've also found some de.wiki articles about Rhodesian Railways Garratts as well. I'm happy to translate all of them if you wish. Bahnfrend (talk) 12:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Bahnfrend, but I think that the GE U23C makes a good template to link the existing ZA & NZ articles together. Once that has been done, however, the Kenya, Tanzania and Brazil (all metre gauge, or is it the Cape gauged TAZARA?) bits could be added from the German.
Regarding Brazil, the German mentions the 1600 broad gauge, but the very nice Portuguese pt:GE U26C article gives only 1000 (and 1067 for NZ & ZA), and pt:GE U23C gives 1600 in Brazil and 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) in the USA. That would tie in with the statement in the lead of NZR DX class that the General Electric U26C class [is] a narrow-gauge version of the GE U23C class. Tim PF (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Tim, I'm not sure how well you can read German. What the German article says is that the GE U26C was produced in 1,000 and 1,067 gauge, and that four of the Brazilian locos were later converted to 1,600. That's not surprising - here in Western Australia a number of different classes of loco have been converted from 1,067 to 1,435, or vice versa. It's also consistent with what the NZR DX class article says. Anyway, what I will do is create a GE U26C article in the style of the GE U23C article, using content translated from both the German and the Portugese articles. I should be able to do that within the next week. Bahnfrend (talk) 04:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Obviously not as well as I thought I could. If the two classes can be converted so easily, why aren't they one class?
If you happy to do it, that's fine with me, as it makes a lot more sense for someone to pick up the German info properly. Thanks. Tim PF (talk) 19:58, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

That looks pretty good.
One thing which I am a little confused about is that the "26" comes from the 2,600 horsepower (1,940 kW), which the South African Class 34-000 gives as the continuous power, but we just have 2050 kW given here. Then again, it looks like several versions got uprated. Tim PF (talk) 22:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Videos

Andre, any way we can get some of those videos under CC-BY-SA license? It would be excellent if we can upload some of the smaller ones to Wikimedia Commons. I can convert to ogg video format if required. --NJR_ZA (talk) 21:51, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem on my own ones - thought about it but never got a round tooit yet. They are in .mpg format, unedited as they came off the camera.André Kritzinger (talk) 22:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

{{Locomotives of South Africa}}

Andre, I have created navigation template {{Locomotives of South Africa}} that we can add to the bottom of all those Loco Class articles. It will display as:

Not sure if Electro diesel belong under diesel or electric, but you can modify as you see fit.--NJR_ZA (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

COOL! I've made one change: Autocollapse collapsed. The electro-diesel's 38-000 classification makes it a diesel. I'm in the process of revising the articles and will add it in as I go along. (And about to start on the tanks and garratts.) André Kritzinger (talk) 15:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

BTW, please don't add the template en masse. It will be an excellent indicator for me to see which articles I still need to do a revision on. André Kritzinger (talk) 15:36, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

OK --NJR_ZA (talk) 08:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Books

With all the work you have be doing on the rail articles, Wikipedia is probably the definitive work on South African locomotives by now. Once you have satisfied that all the articles are as good as you want them you might want to have a look at compiling it all into a book.

See Book:Ladysmith and the Second Boer War as an example, it still needs some work, but is currently the only book on a South African topic. Wikipedia:Books has more information and the book creator can be found at Book creator

--NJR_ZA (talk) 08:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Had look at the book a while ago but I don't like the page layout much as it is. It autoselects only one picture per article, and most times a crappy one instead of the main picture. I would prefer that the pictures are all included since I place every one for a reason.

André Kritzinger (talk) 09:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:RSA Assessments

I am busy with a mass clean-up of WP:RSA article assessments. During this process I am tagging most of your articles as C class though I suspect that most of them actually qualify as B class articles.

Classifying as C class is a lot faster as one can just look at the article briefly to determine it, while B class takes a lot longer as there is a 6 point checklist.

Once the mass clean-up is completed I will re-assess your articles for B class.

--NJR_ZA (talk) 08:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I saw. Suggest you do the ones that I'm "done" with first - the ones where I've added your new loco search bar. All diesels are done, about one third of the lectrics (6E1 S4) and up to Class 5 on steam. I revise them, first for the SAR-L yahoo group where I get GOOD feedback (and pictures) from people like Les Pivnic, Rollo Dickson, Trevor Staats, John Middleton, Leith Paxton and even Raimund Loubser (MM Loubser's son), and others, marked OSG revision since I also post them on the international Grumpy list (RRMSMMG - Officially Still Grumpy). Then a final SASSAR revision before I post them to a SAR train drivers group for more feedback. One per day to not overwhelm them all and make them gatvol. If they don't laugh, I'm happy with it.

André Kritzinger (talk) 09:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

South African Class S1 0-8-0

Some more info on this loco, including a nice diagram at [1] from the book The South African Railways - History, Scope and Organisation. The General Manager, South African Railways Public Relations Department. 1947. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) --NJR_ZA (talk) 17:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Can use! André Kritzinger (talk) 17:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

South African Class C2 4-6-4T

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South African Class A 4-8-2T

You were right to revert, I made an absolute mess of that one. What I tried to do was remove the overlap caused by the gallery as shown in this screenshot from my browser:

Photos overlap infobox

Photos overlap infobox

Just to make sure that I do not create more work for you, are you happy with the multiple image templates on South African Class 15A 4-8-2?

--NJR_ZA (talk) 14:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Just undone that one too...<g>

I like the stack feature, but I'm not too keen on the multiple image gallery thing and prefer the larger images. (I use "x170px" to get the pictures aligned horizontally, or smaller if there's more than two and they end up too wide for the screen.)

Still managing about two "final" edits a day, but getting slowed down a little on new articles, mostly by all the real old 1930s pictures that other train nuts are passing on every day. André Kritzinger (talk) 15:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

It is amazing to watch all the wonderful old images appearing on the SAR-L mailinglist. Your wiki articles are excellent. -- Firefishy (talk) 22:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! André Kritzinger (talk) 22:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

That's cool, I'll leave it to you then. The articles are brilliant. My dad was a driver, 5E and 6E out of Ladysmith and later for a short while 11E out of Ermelo. I still have fond memories of accompanying him on short shifts on the 6E when I was a young lad. --NJR_ZA (talk) 08:05, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Please write in English

Please write in English and not Afrikaans. In example, your editting of South African Class NG G13 2-6-2+2-6-2 shows such in example. Rgds, --2.101.124.226 (talk) 21:03, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Anymouse, I have no idea what you are talking about - the article IS written in Engels. Please be more specific. André Kritzinger (talk) 21:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Lyk vir my alles is in Engels.Nolween (talk) 20:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Amper klaar. As ek nog moed het, vertaal ek dalk nog die hele spul in Afrikaans uit pure asprisgeit. André Kritzinger (talk) 20:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Class 33-400

please read http://www.friendsoftherail.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=316&t=8106&p=27609#p27609 new information. Meloaraujo (talk) 00:18, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! André Kritzinger (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I rebuilt the table and updated the South America section. Please check whether I have my facts right. André Kritzinger (talk) 14:43, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

all right... Meloaraujo (talk) 12:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

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34-600 and 35-200 in Brazil

new topic´s http://www.friendsoftherail.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=316 Meloaraujo (talk) 11:59, 29 October 2011 (UTC)