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• Why did you change the spelling on Sarobi District to Surobi District? The official seems to be Sarobi? --Bejnar (talk) 07:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Wuluswālī-ye Sarōbī

The non-English official version of the name seems to be "Wuluswālī-ye Sarōbī", English Sarobi District. Would you have any objection to changing it back? --Bejnar (talk) 07:58, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

No, I will not have objection. سروبي is transliterated in various ways in different sources, most commonly "Surobi", "Sarobi", "Sorubi" etc. but in Surobi District (Kabul) (same name) we were using "Surobi" already. Either of the names can be used here. Khestwol (talk) 11:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for joining! You may also be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Afghanistan, Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan or Wikipedia:WikiProject Khyber Pakhtunkhwa since you edit articles related to these areas. Happy editing, Mar4d (talk) 05:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation! Khestwol (talk) 18:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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Kushan Empire

Why are you removing some of the other religions from the Kushan Empire article? You don't trust Abdul Hai Habibi? Why are you putting Peshawar first when the first capital they built was near Kabul in Bagram, Afghanistan, at a time when they did not even visit Peshwar? They did not conquer territory from the east to the west but arrived from the north and conquered what is present-day Pakistan and then India.--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 17:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

You're right sir and I agree with you, however the empire reached its zenith during Kanishka's rule. According to Reddy's "General Studies History 4 Upsc", page A-62: "Kanishka's territory evidently included Afghanistan and the adjoining parts of Central Asia. According to Hiuen Tsang, Kanishka ruled his vast empire from his capital Purushapura or Peshawar." I think, being the primary capital, Peshawar should stay on top of the capital list like it did before your edits to the artice.

I'm adding Abdul Hai Habibi's source to the article. "Worship of Sun" is actually worship of Surya as Abdul Hai Habibi states, I'm linking it to its own article.. Khestwol (talk) 00:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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thank you for this edit, [1].-- altetendekrabbe  20:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Pathans in Bengal

Do you know much about Pashtuns who settled in Bengal i.e. are there communities of Pathan ancestry in Bengal? Just to clarify, I went through a recent edit of yours at Taj Khan Karrani and it struck me whether there should be an article on the historical presence of Pashtuns in Bengal. After all, we have many articles on Pashtun communities in the Indian subcontinent eg. Pathans of Punjab, Pathans of Uttar Pradesh, Pathans of Bihar, Pathans of Gujarat etc. An article on the Pathans of Bengal would make a very interesting topic that I may possibly contribute to. I'll plead ignorance though while I'm writing this, since I do not have much background knowledge of this area, just an interest. If you know anything, I'd be interested in feedback. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 13:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, there should be new articles on Pathans of Bengal, Pathans of Bangladesh, and the Karrani dynasty. Regards, Khestwol (talk) 14:26, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Language Map of Khyber Pukhtukhwa

Hello,I see you are a member of Pashtun projects. If you know about the subject, you should also know that the maps you keep re-instating is completely wrong. As i stated earlier in multiple talk pages, the map is showing majority pashto speaking areas such as Karak District, Shangla District, Battaggram District, Toorghar District and Buner District as Hindko Speaking, while Tank District is being shown as Saraiki Speaking. The map is of a very bad quality and extemely in accurate, so one wonders why was it allowed to be used in the first place. Also if you are a member of Pashtun project you should yourself be aware that the map being used is inaccurate amd should be removed or replaced. Tigerkhan007 (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2013 (UTC) File:Map of Languages of Kyber Pakhtunkha Province.jpg

Marrakech

I disagree with your spelling, Berber and French is Marrakech and its spelled like that in a lot of English sources too. Google book searching either title came up with 3 times more results for Marrakech than Marrakesh. Anyway I'll commence work on it tonight, by the end of the week should be looking a lot better!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, I asked user:Al Ameer son for input. (Marrakech is French spelling, not Berber.) Khestwol (talk) 20:36, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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Your input is needed

I noticed that you did, at one point, post some comments on Template talk:Infobox Muslim scholar. I'd like to hammer things out a bit to make the template clearer for readers. MezzoMezzo (talk) 10:25, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

Did you mean Parallel universe or Parallel world? There is no mention of world on the talk page. See WP:RM#Technical requests. Apteva (talk) 05:44, 22 January 2013 (UTC) Never mind. Apteva (talk) 05:48, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Converted to RM to allow discussion at Talk:Parallel universe (fiction)#Article name. Apteva (talk) 05:59, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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Evening Prayer

Could you be more careful with your edits? The evening prayer (without any capital letters) in Islam is called Maghrib and has an article under that name, correctly titled, and with no redirect. So it is not the primary meaning of "Evening Prayer" (with two capital letters) which happens to be the established name of an Anglican church service. You cannot force a translated word as the primary meaning, when the name is in most specific use. It is culturally rude. I have restored the name Maghrib, along with the other terms used by other non-Anglicans.Amandajm (talk) 01:33, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Murghab River

Hello Khestwol. I did the technical move of Morghab River (Afghanistan) to Murghab River as you requested, but there was an existing page also called Murghab River. It is now at Murghab River (disambiguation). Can you please take a look and see if the DAB is reasonable? If you believe it's unnecessary it can be made into a link to Murghab River, but it shouldn't be deleted because its history needs to be kept. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:53, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello EdJohnston. I copyedited both the disambiguation pages Murghab River (disambiguation) and Murghab, and also added a link to Murghab in the see also section of Murghab River (disambiguation). Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 07:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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What picture is appropriate for the "Afghan" article?

I noticed your recent edit to the Afghan article. Please feel free to weigh in on the discussion at Afghan#What picture is appropriate?. --Bejnar (talk) 20:18, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Pages "Pashtun People" and "Pashtun diaspora" being trivialized

Hello, just wanted to involve you in unsubstantiated information being introduced into the pages "Pashtun people" and "Pashtun diaspora". Numbers that are being fabricated to raise the population of Pashtun in India to over 11 million without any such information in the Indian census. Also comments such as: "Yes the two Indian women are not Pathan but the point in this is that nearly all Pashtuns (especially Pashtun/Pathan) women are so much in love with Bollywood films and they see Indian female celebrities something as role models.)" and "Pashtuns, especially their females, love watching Indian films and dramas."

Ill leave it to your discretion to fix this. Tired of getting into an edit battle with a couple of users.184.175.27.29 (talk) 20:27, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

See discussion at User talk:Jackmcbarn#Why are you warning me? regarding this. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:28, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Brother, please watch user: Nasirakram1440 He continues to deface the "Pashtun People" page with misinformation adding that the Pashtun are "Iranian" Also attempting to remove the sited information: "Pashtuns are considered a warrior or Martial race" (which can be easily sourced with one Google search). These people are all envious of our great history.

And your reliable sources for " The Pashtun are from a mixed Hebrew and or/ Greek background depending on tribe" are? Dougweller (talk) 05:06, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Fall of Granada article

Hello Khestwol. Are you planning on expanding the Fall of Granada article? If so, that's great, but as is, it doesn't say anything that isn't already at Granada War#Last_stand_at_Granada, so a merge seems pretty safe. Also, I'm not sure if I'd say "no consensus for the change" - if you look at the history of the article, you can see that others wanted to delete the article entirely. SnowFire (talk) 16:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey SnowFire. The Fall of Granada is an important event that according to some historians marked the end of the Islamic Golden Age. The article should not be deleted I think. I may help in expanding it. Khestwol (talk) 19:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not denying the importance, considering that I'm the one who wrote most of the Granada War article. It's just that the Granada War article is much more full-fledged and covers a lot more, while all the content in "Fall of Granada" is also at Granada War. If the article is expanded, it should probably be on the specific surrender that happened that date, but it's not clear there's even that much written about it. If it isn't expanded, well, it's just a duplicate article and should be merged back as a redirect. SnowFire (talk) 20:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for agreeing it's important. An article on a notable topic can never be deleted as per wp:Notability. Yes, the article should cover the surrender that happened in more detail, and the historical significance of the event for the downfall of Islamic power. So it will be expanded. Khestwol (talk) 20:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

You're conflating Wikipedia covering a topic with "has a separate article on the topic." There are lots of notable topics that are covered as sections of a larger article. When the amount of information on the subtopic gets too large, then a separate article is spun off. But if it's just a paragraph, it can be kept in the main article. For an example, Battle of Villalar has its own article with information specifically on it, but Battle of Torrelobatón redirects to a paragraph in the article on the relevant war itself. Both are notable, and both get coverage in Wikipedia, however.

That said, I don't want to come off as too antagonistic here. Like I said before, if you can expand the article, that's great. SnowFire (talk) 23:26, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Please be more careful about using 'ce' in edit summaries

Looking through your edits recently after this edit[2] you are often using it while not actually copy editing as defined at WP:CE - any content change is not a copy edit. Even some of your spelling changes or removal of spellings isn't clearly copy editing. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 15:32, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'm trying to write longer edit summaries now. Khestwol (talk) 17:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Unfounded accusations

Please do not accuse me of having biases which I don't possess. I'm not removing material from articles because they were are connected with Islam but because they are incorrect. Slovenia was never part of the Ottoman Empire - how could it be when the Ottomans never conquered even Croatia to the Southeast? As for the Siberian Khanate, there is no evidence that they reached as far the Arctic Sea. Why should (in violation of Wikipedia rules) a map without source be kept? Kostja (talk) 10:36, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

The original version of the article Khanate of Sibir before your destructive edits clearly states "The Khanate of Sibir was the northernmost Muslim state in recorded history; its territories even included the northerly shores of the Arctic Ocean". This is true in my opinion and you are the only user who seems to want to remove it, so it is against any consensus. Please stop your changes and removal of content from articles without any consensus. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 11:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

This claim is not supported by a source, so it can't be used as a basis for making the map. Your opinion of course also doesn't matter if it isn't supported by a source and incidentally you're the only user who insists on keeping the map, so there's no consensus. In any case, unreferenced material can be removed at any time, regardless of any "consensus". Kostja (talk) 17:27, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Pashtun people

Please do not remove or revert sourced information. For example, you have deleted sourced material based on this academic and well-respected source. Keeping this in mind, you calling my edits "unconstructive" (while deleting sourced material) is anything but WP:GF. --Lysozym (talk) 11:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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Abrahamic religions

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Roman Pashto

Hey I also use "g" rather than "z" but Kara Pashto (Standard Pashto - recognised by the Academy of Peshawar and Kabul University) use "z". Therefore inline with Kara Pashto, it would be wrong to change it to "g" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adjutor101 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

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Please watch and protect Shahnameh. Attacked by a Pan-Turkist: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]--188.158.72.218 (talk) 15:09, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Article move

Hi, you have just moved some articles to new titles such as Utmanzai (Wazir clan) on the grounds that we need to differentiate from other groups with the same name. What other groups? We have no articles for them and you've left quite a clean-up job behind you. - Sitush (talk) 20:31, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello. That article is about the Utmanzai clan of the Wazir tribe that lives in North Waziristan. However, other clans of other tribes by the SAME name of Utmanzai also exist. For example, there is one non-Wazir Utmanzai clain in Utmanzai, Charsadda. Khestwol (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Another one is the move to Ahmadzai (Wazir clan), with the specious claim that it is to differentiate from the Ghilji. Since the Ghilji appear not to be called Ahmadzai, there was no need for the move. Please revert these unnecessary changes. - Sitush (talk) 20:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

There is also an Ahmadzai Ghilji clan (to which the current president of Afghanistan, Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai belongs), which is also Pashtun but not Wazir. That is why the disambiguation. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

In fact, having reviewed the massive number of page moves that you have done recently, I think you should stop entirely for now, go review the principles at WP:RM and make specific proposals. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 20:39, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I will slow down ok. Khestwol (talk) 20:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for replying at various places above. I'm not convinced, I'm afraid. As I said earlier, we have no articles for the communities that you mention. I'm sure that you mean well but the moves serve no purpose in an operational sense and never will unless articles turn up. Let's take an extreme example, which is that of someone being deliberately disruptive: they could do all sorts of moves like this using the basis that you have given when in fact they are just making up names for alternate groups that do not exist. It does go on! You are effectively engaging in original research. - Sitush (talk) 20:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

As for the Ahmadzai who are also Pashtun but not Wazir (hence the need for the move), here is a ref: [8]. I think we need an article for the Ghilji (non-Wazir) Ahmadzai because they are a notable tribe, and the current president of Afghanistan belongs to it. Khestwol (talk) 20:54, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand me. I am not saying that these alternate communities do not exist, although there is scope for mischief if someone were less well-meaning than yourself. What I am saying is that you are pretty much putting the cart before the horse.

There is no need to disambiguate if we don't have two or more articles that share a similar name. It is like having a redlinked item is a "See also" section: how can someone "see" something that doesn't exist in the encyclopaedia? You need to create the alternate articles more or less immediately and source them well enough to pass WP:GNG, otherwise we end up in the same mess that we see with Indian caste articles. I suppose, at a pinch, you could just leave them as a redlink in a proper disambiguation page, provided that you give some indication of what/where/who they are ... but I really wouldn't advise it.

By the way, the fact that a prominent person is a member of a particular tribe is not going to make the tribe itself notable. You will need more than that. - Sitush (talk) 21:06, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

As of now we do have an article for Ahmadzai (Ghilji clan), hope to expand it and fix the link to it from other articles which refer to the Ghilji Ahmadzai, as opposed to the Wazir Ahmadzai the other article is about. Thank you. Khestwol (talk) 21:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that you had just created it now. Thanks for that. It needs more sources and I'm not too sure about some of what is said, eg: "confederacy" is not in the source and will need linking to something or another, I suspect. I'll do some digging tomorrow and see what turns up. - Sitush (talk) 21:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Have a good night/day. Khestwol (talk) 21:37, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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February 2015

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Indo-Aryan peoples. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Scalhotrod. I ask you to stop reverting my contributions 3 times in a row before even discussing the issue with me, or other users, on the article talk pages. Khestwol (talk) 17:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Pashtun people

Then i really want to ask is shahrukh khan saif ali khan zarine khan a pashto speaker, can you please remove their images. At least jan sher khan younis khan are pashto speakers but no sign of them. Jansher khan imran khan and younis khan are at least bigger names than saif ali khan zarine khan. At least there should be some pakistani pashtuns too. This is a very biased article which is edited by afghan pashtuns to their taste. I would appreciate if you could follow your own statement by emoving non pashto speakers shahrukh khan saif ali khan and zarine khan. Shahrukh khan is fine but other too is just wrong as every khan is a pathan in india. Imran khan is no where in the article this is extremely wrong. thankyouSaladin1987 04:54, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I have removed madhubala as no reference mentions she spoke pashto, i assume that you are pakistani pashtun, at least you should have a look at the article, you have muhammad nabi, zarine khan etc but no imran khan at the bottom of the page. is this the article of afghan and indian pashtuns. Pakistan has the largest population of pashtuns and should have names like jan sher khan, imran khan , younis khan, but you only find malala yousafzai, shahid afridi and jehangir khan out of 30 million. if i am wrong please correct me. but younis khan deserves to be there as he is a pashto speaker and jan sher khan too if you could add him i would appreciate, he was a squash champion

Really it's ok if you mention Ayub Khan or Imran Khan in the body of the article because their ethnic background is Pashtun (although they identity themselves to be "Hindkowan" and "Punjabi" more because of their native languages), but inside the infobox we better add only Pashto-speaking Pashtuns. We can add only a limited number of images there anyway. As for Madhubala, her article says she spoke Pashto which has been supported with a ref. I agree more Pashtuns from Pakistan must be added to represent them better, like Jahangir Khan or Jansher Khan etc. However I could not find an image of Jansher Khan to add in the infobox unfortunately. Khestwol (talk) 06:49, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Bro i am not sure madhubala spoke pashto or not but a pashto speaker has a different accent which she doesnt seem to have in her movies, though shahid afridi lived in karachi most of his life still u can recognize he is pashtun if u dont even see him. Bro i will try to find image of jan sher khan , i am not sure how to add it, i will post the link to your page so that you may add it. at least younis khan is a well known pashtun cricketerSaladin1987 05:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

I am really tired of the editor User:Krzyhorse22, he doesnt follow his policy of not adding non pashto speakers in infobox. he is continuing his policy of reverting my edits. Saleem khan is a non pashto speaker pashtun wannabe. According to salman his grandfather came from afghanistan but not even a single member of his family knows how to speak pashto or even dari as proved by kadir khan who by blood is pashtun and speaks pashto proudly. This user krazyhorse has an agenda to promote Afghan and indian pashtuns but to ignore Pakistan Pashtuns especially people like ayub khan, imran khan, Raheem Shah, hamayun khan etc. if he can add 5 indian non pashto speaker pashtuns then we can surely add atleast 2 pashto speaking pakistani pashtuns too. This is a pashtun people article not afghan or indian people article. I accepted the last edits of this user as he added imran khan in the article but this time he is adding saleem khan but ignoring the likes of Ayub khan , raheem shah, hamayun khan, jan sher khan(world squash champion), Maria toorpakai wazir(World squash champion). I would request you to plz make this article bias free. Thankyou

i added to talk page khilji

brother but source does not mention pashtunized, it could be elaborated but not be called pashtunized as they spoke persian or turkic language. they did not speak pashto or else that would have been mentioned, " "Khalji Dynasty". Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved 2010-08-23. this dynasty, like the previous Slave dynasty, was of Turkic origin, though the Khiljī tribe had long been settled in what is now Afghanistan..."

Bro when we mention persianized it means they had persian language etc, here the khilji had some pashtun customs no doubt but they followed turkic theory of kingship and its not possible to call it pashtunized rather we can elaborate it further by saying they had pashtun customs, but i will leave it to you, by pashtunized its being referred as pashtun dynasty which is not the case, ghilzais are maybe their future relatives which were lodhi, suri etcSaladin1987 16:57, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

The Turkic Khilji must not be confused with the Pastun Ghalzi tribe. Minhāju-s Sirāj (1881). Tabaḳāt-i-nāsiri: a general history of the Muhammadan dynastics of Asia, including Hindustān, from A.H. 194 (810 A.D.) to A.H. 658 (1260 A.D.) and the irruption of the infidel Mughals into Islām. Bibliotheca Indica #78 1. Calcutta, India: Royal Asiatic Society of Bengal (printed by Gilbert & Rivington). p. 548. (translated from the Persian by Henry George Raverty). Also minhaj siraj i guess mentions that too but maybe i am wrong, to the extent i know khiljis were turks but had some customs adopted and its the modern writers who have made that statement of afghanistan not the writers of that time, if i am wrong i would appreciate if someone could correct me

Pamir languages

Bro many pamiri wakhi live in gojal. i think we should add gojal gilgit baltistan as i did. Whatever you think suits, u can add it. Thankyou

Yes of course Gilgit has Pamir speakers. Also Chitral has Yidgha speakers. There number and area occupied is much less than Pamiris of Afghan and Tajik Badakhshan. Already added this info into the lede. Khestwol (talk) 10:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Bro actually number is huge, its just badkashan combined is the place of origin for wakhis and yidgas. At the moment wakhis are mostly pakistanis living in gojal and chitral north. Yidgs are less. I think we can add substantial numbers there. Saladin1987 07:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Pashtun people

Can you please look at the talk page for concensus on madhubala or (younis khan or jan sher khan). Krazyhorse is just trying to push as many afghan and indian pashtuns/pathans as possible. There is no imran khan anywhere but there is saif ali khan zarine khan who claim to be pathans but who knows they are or not. People like jansher khan, younis khan are pashtuns. Imran khan is niazi so is a pashtun too though doesnt speak pashto. Same goes for saif ali khan, zarine khan. Pashtuns are most in Pakistan but i guess pakistani pashtuns are the least in this article even less than indian pathans which are not even pathans. I would appreciate if you could help me add some more Pakistani pashtuns like ayub khan, imran khan, younis khan, jan sher khan in the article and remove indian pathans like saif lai khan and zarine khan. This is just not right. Also most of the editors are afghan pashtuns or indians. Guess Pakistani pashtuns have no interest in wikipedia. I have started a discussion but krazyhorse keeps on reverting the edits. Lets please reach a concensus regarding more Pakistani pashtuns being represented in this article. I would really appreciate your helpSaladin1987 08:17, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Greater Khorasan

What's with this POV pushing? Do you have a reliable source that says Ghazni was part of Khorasan or are you just putting names of cities based on your theories?--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

The article corroborates it was. Greater Khorasan, as the lede says, extended even further eastwards than Ghazni. However, since Mahmud of Ghazni's time and until the Mongol invasions, Ghazni remained the most prominent city of the region, which warrants its inclusion. Khestwol (talk) 05:33, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

However, I don't think the inclusion of the minor city of Taloqan was warranted. We can, perhaps, remove that one. Khestwol (talk) 06:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Everything has to be sourced, when was Ghazni a part of Khurasan province? Did you verify the info? What you claim is contrary to what the cited sources say. They all say only Herat and Balkh were part of Khurasan province.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 16:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Regardless of what you mean by Khorasan province but the article is about "Greater Khorasan". The lede describes its boundaries. Do you want to shrink its boundaries per present day political entity of Iran and cities closer to it only? What's ur source for that? Khestwol (talk) 16:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Khorasan was a "province" of Persia (Iran) since the time it was first born. You think there was a country like Pakistan by the name of "Greater Khorasan"? Is that what they teach in Pakistani schools? I'm not the fool who is focusing on today's Iran's Khorasan province, we all know that's only a remnant of the historical Khorasan, which this article is referring to. My previous comment is asking you when was the country Ghazni (Ghazna) a part of the historical Khorasan province, not today's Iranian province? If you don't know just say I don't know, and don't add it again.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 13:43, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

It is simply illogical to assume that Ghazna was a part of the historical Khorasan because looking at it from a geographical perspective it could not have been since the Hindu Kush mountains form a natural border between the two. There is only one or two roads leading to each other. It would mean Kandahar had to be part of Khorasan before Ghazna could become also part of it. There is no clear historical reference, all the sources say Ghazna was an independent country ruled by Buddhist kings who constantly fought the Arabs until the Ghaznavids rose to power and invaded Persian territories and made them part of Ghazna.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 14:05, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Yep I have got your points thanks for explanation. Also i read recently Ghaznin and Gardez until 10th century were ruled by Loyakan until Mahmud of Ghazni overthrew their kingdom. Culturally the area was disconnected from the other side of the Hindukush. Khestwol (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. Sorry for being edgy, many editors visit that article and add what their uneducated forefathers have told them. Of course this is only to make the land theirs. Ghazna which was called was inhabited by old Turkic tribes who practiced Buddhism like I said. This is well documented and the discoveries of Buddhist sites makes it more of a fact. These tribes eventually became known as Ghilzais. The Ghaznavids refers to a dynasty, they were also Turkic, but Khorasan province always was Zoroastrian, so yes it was culturally disconnected from that side just like it still is today.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 23:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Watchlist

Would you please watch some pages if I give you the list of them? They are related to your field of interest (Middle East, Central Asia, Persian and Iranic history/culture). They're under a new wave of disruptive changes. I can't watch & handle all of them. Interested? --Zyma (talk) 23:50, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes sure, I can. Khestwol (talk) 03:43, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Recent targeted articles: Persian mythology, Saka, Shahnameh, Tur (mythology), Turan. For a full list and more details, see: Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34. Add important articles as many as you can to your watchlist. It's not necessary to add all of them, just focus on vital ones. Every new edit/change on those articles, needs a serious verification (both IPs and registered users). Thanks. Regards. --Zyma (talk) 12:40, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Engage on the talk page

Hello Khestwol, I am posting here due to your edit here[9]. Please read the talk page[10] before deleting information from the lead. Regards. Mbcap (talk) 19:20, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I need to elaborate on my reversion of your edit...

...While you say that LightandDark2000 should seek consensus on the talk page, you do not explain why that edit is unconstructive, and I doubt a 2 year+ editor will appreciate having a template mostly intended for newbies slapped on his talk page like that. If you still feel you need to notify LightandDark2000 in some way, I would suggest creating an independent section on his talk page with a brief explanation. Dustin (talk) 14:37, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello. His edit was indeed against consensus that had formed on the template talk page. The consensus was to not add ISIL to the template. Khestwol (talk) 14:49, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Same as Dustin V. S. I was involved in the consensus forming process and the consensus was actually to not include Wahhabism. Thanks and I'll be reverting your edit to my talk page. Nulla Taciti (talk) 22:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Warning Notes

Editors are allowed to remove any warning or note from their talk pages as they please. Please read WP:BLANKING for more. WP:Removed warnings is a failed proposal and should not be cited as a guideline. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 19:02, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Per User:Nulla Taciti's request, I've boxed up your comment on the article talk page. To the extent we can, we prefer to confine article talk pages to questions of article content and not conduct interpersonal disputes there. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 03:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Durrani Empire Map

Thanks Khestwol, Durrani empire map, which is located in Durrani Empire page, does not have a reliable source. The borders, specially in southern areas are exactly the same as today's Pakistan which was created in 1948. There was no Pakistan at that time. Also, Mashhad was controlled by the Shahrukh Afshar, after Nader's death in 1747 and was controlled by him until Agha Mohammad Khan of Qajar dystany defeated Zand Kingdom and killed Shahrukh in 1796. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahrukh_Afshar The Durrani empire expansions to northwestern areas has no source and prove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoenix2535 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

A Wikipedia article (Shahrukh Afshar) cannot be considered a reliable source. There are various reliable secondary sources which seem to corroborate that the Durrani Empire extended to Mashhad ([11]). Khestwol (talk) 16:53, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Here is a better Durrani Empire map and note that it includes Mashhad as well. Khestwol (talk) 17:21, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Khestwol, Thank you for introducing the sources, but as indicated in the sources, Ahmad Shah Durrani did not refuse the sovereignty of Shahrukh Afshar and Mashhad arae was under Shahrukh's control until Qajar. This is a new map I found:

File:DURRANI EMPIRE.png

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoenix2535 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Your map seems to be deleted. However Shahrukh Afshar, who had been blinded by his rivals, was ruling his territory as a tributary vassal state of the Durrani Empire during the peak of the Durrani Empire. That may explain why secondary sources mention the Afsharid capital of Mashhad as a Durrani city when the empire was at its peak. Khestwol (talk) 10:20, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Invite

Feel free to participate in the following discussion.[12]. Xtremedood (talk) 04:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

RM for one of the Haramain

Hello Khestwol, yes you are right that I voted in favour but the RM was just recently concluded. I still think you should not have started another one so soon. Regardless I have struck out my oppose and shall reconsider before I post comment on the RM. Regards Mbcap (talk) 15:39, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Mbcap. After researching more evidences on the matter though, I think the current "Masjid al-Haram" does not appear to be a bad option for the title either. Because it is so common in reliable sources and Google Books search and Ngram graphs have seemed to have confirmed this. Khestwol (talk) 17:20, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

You are welcome. I sort of agree. I am in favour of the name with Al preceding. However the current name could also be suitable. The only problem would be the mistranslation without the indefinite article but I guess this is the English Wikipedia so it does not matter. Mbcap (talk) 11:19, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

FYI

Take a look [13] Blizzio (talk) 06:48, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Kushan Empire

Brother, Bascially Kushans were Bactrian people and bactrian people were mainly located in todays Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan. You cant just add one country and leave another. NANA was goddess and not Afghan goddess, there was no such thing as Afghan at that time when kushan empire was created. Thankyou hope you understand that kushan empire was not just based in Afghanistan but in Pakistan too look at this link too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pakistan#Kushan_EmpireSaladin1987 07:12, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Al-Masjid Al-Haram discussion

Hey man, sorry for being so late - got caught up recently. It seems that I missed most of the discussion; has it pretty much been resolved now? MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes MezzoMezzo it has been resolved. Although that move request is still open, but i have from my side withdrawn it. I think the article will continue to use the title Masjid al-Haram. I proposed also the title "Masjid al-Qiblatayn" for the article ccurrently located at Masjid al-Qiblatain, per standard transliteration. I intend to also move Al-Masjid an-Nabawi to "Masjid an-Nabawi" in near future for consistency with the other 2 aforementioned mosques. I find these terms to be more recognizable and searchable in English. Khestwol (talk) 05:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hello. Please use edit summaries when editing, to tell others what you're doing, and why. It makes life easier for the rest of us. :) Thomas.W ^talk 14:24, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Kho people

Hi, Hope you are fine!!! I want to you know about kohwari language. The Word is "Koh" Not "Kho" Which means Mountain in persian The khow is a small tribe is khot, of chitral district Kho or Khoti means Donkey!!! Please don't undo article Because people laugh at khow name!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.83.86.129 (talk) 12:37, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi 42.83.86.129 / PSEUDO Mr.X‎. No, the term is "Kho" (کهو), a word from Khowar language which means "people", or to be more specific the Kho people. This word is getting common in English language sources also to refer to the Kho people. Just Google "Kho people". Koh ("mountain") is an irrelevant Persian word. Khestwol (talk) 12:51, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Kho

well Mr, I am from chitral and kohwari is my native language. The people of khot also called khow it khowar it means is not the name of language is khowar the word koh means come from accient persian which means mountains Kohwari means people's of mountain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.83.86.146 (talk) 13:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

protection reqeust for Kho, Khowar articles

FYI I've created Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Kho people because of the persistent vandalism and disruption by IPs, MrX etc —Мандичка^YO 😜 14:23, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikimandia, thanks for the notification. Today these 2 articles have indeed been vandalized by that user and IP. So the pages need protection. Meanwhile I am trying to undo his disruptive edits. Khestwol (talk) 15:32, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I see your additional requests for protection this morning, and I will move protect them all in a few moments. First, though, I need you to understand that the registered user account to which you referred is autoconfirmed, so semi-protection will not affect his ability to edit those articles. He won't be able to move them, but he could potentially redirect them or do some sort of cut-and-paste thing. If disruption from that account resumes, notify me by leaving a message on my talk page and report it to ANI detailing the steps you've taken with Wikimandia and others to stop it, along with the measures we've taken to prevent his actions. It's not technically vandalism, so don't send it to AIV. Hang in there, both of you. :-) KrakatoaKatie 06:34, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello KrakatoaKatie. The same dynamic IP is also vandalizing Chitral District. Please do something about it so that this article also gets protected. Thanks again. Your support is greatly appreciated. Have a good day. Khestwol (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Street food

Thanks for your edits on pilaf. I added something to street food, can you check it please... Thanks a lot. --176.239.73.248 (talk) 21:50, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Question

Any idea why Pashtun (disambiguation) got moved to Pashtun, when the latter should just redirect to Pashtuns (that's why the disambiguation page existed in the first place)? I don't seem to find any discussion on the talk page regarding this. Mar4d (talk) 05:48, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Because "Pashtun" very frequently is an adjective, and not always an ethnonym. It is the same case as for example Swede, German, Korean, etc. It has become a convention on Wikipedia that when the title is at the plural ethnonym, then the singular ethnonym is a disambiguation page (because the singular ethnonym matches with the adjectival form used for something relating to that ethnic group). If the singular ethnonym is not a disambiguation page, then the main article should be located on the singular ethnomym title per WP:ETHNICGROUPS. In the case of Pashtuns, the title is at the plural ethnonym. That is why Pashtun is a disambiguation page. Khestwol (talk) 06:01, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to the discussion on versions of Template:History of Iran.

You have been invited to the discussion on versions of Template:History of Iran. There are two versions. The current one and this one. Please share your opinion on which version you like/support more. We need users' opinion for consensus. Thank you. --Ulugh Arslan Bilge Khan 18:33, 05 June 2015 (UTC)

Your report at AIV

Regarding your report at AIV: the reason I declined your report is not because I believe, per se, that the user's behavior is acceptable. Rather, your report is too complex for AIV. AIV is intended for quick, rapid blocking of a user actively causing disruption through obvious vandalism or spam. If it takes the reviewing admin more than 60 seconds to determine whether or not the situation requires a block, then it is not an appropriate report for AIV.

I rangeblocked the IP addresses you reported because it was immediately obvious that they were IP hopping to cause disruption. Whether or not this user is editing from the same IP addresses is beyond my ability to instantly determine because I do not have CheckUser privileges, and to be honest, on a quick review his edits look like they *added* content, not removed it. If the situation takes more investigation than that, it should be reported to a different noticeboard like SPI or ANI. —Darkwind (talk) 19:35, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification Darkwind. One request: can you also ban his IP (i.e. 42.83.85.183 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and the rest of the range) from creating new socks?
Various of his accounts like user:Saqraat, user:SMITHOPSIS, and user:PSEUDO Mr.X‎ are already indefinitely blocked, yet he keeps appearing with new usernames. If I find the user again disruptively editing from a new sock he creates, I will consider taking it to SPI. Thanks again! With regards, Khestwol (talk) 19:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I only blocked the IP range for 24 hours to minimize collateral damage; if the vandalism resumes we can certainly consider a longer block. During the period of time which the IP range is blocked from editing, account creation is also blocked. However, existing accounts can still edit (again, to minimize collateral damage) and after the block expires, new accounts could theoretically be created from that range. There isn't a way to stop an IP range from creating accounts without blocking from editing as well. —Darkwind (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I have provided new information and therefore wonder whether or not you still support a certain move

Hi! You voted to support Talk:Comparison of Q&A sites#Requested move 9 June 2015 before I made my comment of 15:38, 16 June 2015. That comment completely refutes the nominator's original move rationale. Now that I've made that comment, do you still support the move? Cheers, —Unforgettableid (talk) 15:59, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying Unforgettableid. Now it seems the current title for Comparison of Q&A sites is more suitable. Khestwol (talk) 19:22, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring on some language pages

Regarding your recent reverts on pages recently edited by Kwamikagami, Mjbmr, Zack90, and myself, it might be good for you to be aware of the discussion taking place at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Kwamikagami reported by User:Zack90 (Result: ). —BarrelProof (talk) 07:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you BarrelProof. While the move discussion was going on for the 3 Baluchi language articles, I didn't consider the unexplained repeated page blanking and edit-warring by 1 user an appropriate behavior. Khestwol (talk) 08:23, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

ډېره مننه

ډېره مننه :) Adjutor101 (talk) 16:47, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Oriya

Would you like to rv. Haddock's POINTy blanking of info at Oriya language? Otherwise I might take it to ANI. — kwami (talk) 22:46, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes Kwamikagami. I am going to in the next edit. Khestwol (talk) 22:47, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Reverted himself, but only by restoring the dubious pronunciation. — kwami (talk) 22:48, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

I changed it to /ˈoɺ̢ja/, fixing the consonant and vowels, and adding the stress. Khestwol (talk) 22:52, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

But the letter is ଡ଼ି, which is the intervocalic allophone of ଡ /ḍ/. [ɽ] is therefore likely to be correct. Also, the diacritic on the consonant is for /i/, not /j/. Again, I really don't think we should be guessing about things like this. — kwami (talk) 23:03, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Well ଡ଼ି is more likely an allophone of ଡ଼, notice the dot underneath? Also, in Urdu script the title is written as اڑیہ as per ur:اڑیہ_زبان. So this all suggest the pronunciation should be /ˈoɺ̢ja/ (with the retroflex lateral flap). Khestwol (talk) 23:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Those aren't allophones, they're the same letter [ɖ]. (One has a vowel diacritic.) And the dot indicates the allophone: It's optionally written in both Oriya and romanization. Urdu ڑ is also [ɽ] -- Hindustani doesn't have a lateral flap. The Oriya alphabet, the Oriya transcription, and the Urdu all support [ɽ]. What's the evidence that it's lateral? And what's the evidence that it's [j] rather than [i]? — kwami (talk) 23:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

So /ˈoɽja/ is better? And it must be /j/ because it is represented by ی and followed by ہ. Anyway, anyone can change it in the infobox if they want, I will have no objection. Regards, Khestwol (talk) 23:46, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

It's ی in Urdu. That doesn't mean its /j/ in Oria. And couldn't it be /ˈoɽija/ even in Urdu? — kwami (talk) 00:18, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

No, /oˈɽija/ in Urdu (with i being a long vowel; and then the stress will be on the second syllable) would have been written as اڑیئه. Khestwol (talk) 00:21, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

RfC of interest

Hello! This is to let you know that there is a current Request for Comment on a topic which you previously commented on. The RfC is at Talk:List of European cities by population. The question is, "In articles which rank European cities or countries in order by population or area, should the entire city or country be counted, or only the portion which is in Europe?" Your input there would be appreciated. MelanieN (talk) 15:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello MelanieN! Thank you for attempting to resolve the dispute, and renaming the article to List of European cities by population, which I think is a much better title. However, it seems you have restored the wrong version. The current version only represents the POV of Evropariver, who had been edit-warring with multiple users (me, Lactasamir, and Sundayclose). I suggest to restore the last stable version of the article. Thank you! Khestwol (talk) 18:07, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree and I actually set out to do that earlier today, but it turned out to be complicated because of intervening edits. I'll see what I can do, though. --MelanieN (talk) 18:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I restored it by hand; think I got it right but check it out. (I trust you are familiar with the rule at WP:WRONG. 0;-D ) BTW the protection has now expired so you can edit it too. I wondered if it wouldn't be possible to put that "note" about London into a footnote, rather than the rather ugly current position in the "notes" column? What do you think? --MelanieN (talk) 19:10, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, you have done a good job! I agree that we can put that note about London into a footnote. Khestwol (talk) 19:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

July 2015

Ouch! You've used a template to send a message to an experienced editor. Please review the essay Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humour. Best wishes. --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 23:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Experienced editors shouldn't need warnings. CodeCat (talk) 00:35, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

False Warnings

While I have zero self-interest in adding ISIL in the template, I am only following the construction in Caliphate. More importantly however, please don't go about placing false warnings: It would be a good idea if you actually read what the consensus was Khestwol, entitled "Should ISIS/ISL be listed as a caliphate?" which is not the same thing as ISIL claiming to be one, a topic which happens to be relevant enough to be given a mention in the lede and a devoted section in Caliphate.--Peaceworld 14:15, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you dear for your information

I removed regional languages becoz three of them are various dialects of kohistani and some of them are dialects of chitrali. I am a positive thinker about wikipedia but due to certain vandals who continously attack my province Khyber Pakhtunkhwa & its capital city Peshawar by gushing in false information that's why i have intended that i will give 20 minutes every day to monitor my nation articles. Let me tell you, i appreciate your sincere efforts in enhancing and monitoring Pashtuns related articles. Wish all U all the best. Adil shahzad from Swat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Power22 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

You are welcome my friend Power22. Khestwol (talk) 17:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Usual Iranian-Iranic edits: Comment request

Hi. How we deal with this rev? Also, please see related section on talk page Talk:Iranian_peoples#Azeris. --Zyma (talk) 06:28, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Edit warrior

There's an edit warrior/sock at User:The History of Iran who is engaging in personal attacks against me as well as claiming I am a sockpuppet of you. You might want to keep an eye. Currently he's edit-warring at Arachosia using that user name as well as IPs in the past. Edit summaries: "Undid afghan nationalistic editing by Ogress (talk))", ". (Undid revision by Ogress Unsourced Edits) (undo)" (he's the one adding unsourced material to a sourced page) and "(Undid disruptive afghanistani nationalistic editing by Ogress who is an alter ego of user "Khestwol")". Can we file any kind of admin thing here? Ogress _smash! 17:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ogress. Sure, we can report The History of Iran to an admin. He made only one edit, which is obviously disruptive. It is obvious the IP 68.208.122.33 which is under block belongs to him. Ping admin Bishonen who has blocked his IP. Khestwol (talk) 18:14, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

He also made other edits by IP with identical contents and nearly identical edit summaries, so I'll ask Bishonen about it. Ogress _smash! 18:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Tagalog

Talk:Tagalog move request to restore the old location, if you're interested. — kwami (talk) 04:20, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

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Quran

I have great respect for The Quran, Arabic language and also Persian language and Perso-Arabic Script has been very important in the development, evolution and progress of Islamic literature. So why Persian should not be included? Can a conjunct Perso-Arabic script initial be included in our holy Quran? Dongar Kathorekar (talk) 16:21, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dongar Kathorekar. The lead already contains the Arabic script. Persian language also uses the Arabic script. "Quran" (قرآن) is an Arabic word, not purely Persian, and all of the book itself uses Arabic language. Secondly, since other languages like Urdu, Malay, and Turkish, are now-a-days spoken/understood by more Muslims than Persian, so we are going to add these scripts before even thinking about adding Persian. To keep the lede neutral, I think mentioning just one language, Arabic, which the Quran itself is in, is enough. Also, as per WP:LEDE#Foreign language: "If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name can be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses." Khestwol (talk) 16:58, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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Pashto spelling

Could you help me with what would be the correct Pashto spelling for Pakistan Super League? The Pashto Wikipedia uses "پاکستان سوپر ليگ" whereas the Urdu, Punjabi and Sindhi transliterations all spell "super" as "سپر". Mar4d (talk) 05:52, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

The current, سوپر is better transliteration. Khestwol (talk) 16:27, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Jadun/Jadoon confusion

Hi Khestwol, can you please confirm the reasoning behind the change of name? I had made a change to "Jadoon (people)", however was asked to revert, and am a little confused. Is the article about the people or the culture? I feel I may have misunderstood. Thanks, MrCrazyDude (talk) 17:26, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi MrCrazyDude. The article is about the people Jadun, which are a Pashtun tribe. I suggest the current spelling Jadun is fine. It represents an accurate transliteration. For consistency with the article though, I am going to replace Gadoon and Jadoon in the body of the article with Jadun as per the page title. Khestwol (talk) 17:29, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Khestwol. Beware of Sitush who seems to have an emotional connection to the page. He religiously vandalises and objects to edits made on the page, from what I've seen in the edit history. Thanks again, MrCrazyDude (talk) 17:35, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks MrCrazyDude - at least I'm not the only one with that feeling about Sitush - and yet he doesn't apply the same rigorous rules on anything else!Mulberry sky (talk) 05:15, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome MrCrazyDude. I fixed the spelling as per title for consistency, wherever it was possible. I left the alternative variants Jadoon and Gadoon only in the lede (in parenthesis) and in quotes etc. Khestwol (talk) 17:39, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Khestwol. MrCrazyDude (talk) 17:45, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Khestwol - just wondering why you do not prefer "Jadoon" because that is how the people commonly spell their name and which is the most usual spelling in books and literature (just have to type "Jadoon" in facebook or google and you will know what I mean). Mulberry sky (talk) 05:15, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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What's the purpose of "§" at the beginning of section heading?

Hello, Khestwol. I was a bit confused when I went to add my support to the name change of Sawm and Sawm of Ramadan. It appears that the section "Requested move 4 September 2016" no longer stands by itself and that it is now included as part of the previous section Talk:Sawm#Proposed deletion of half of "Fasting while in polar region". Likewise, the "Discuss" link from Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions no longer takes one to the section discussing that change, and one has to search for it. Hiding of the section appears to have occurred due to the "§" you added at the beginning of the section title. My first reaction was to delete the "§" and restore the title, but I am very curious --- is there some purpose for having added that "§" that I'm not aware of? Thanks for your reply. Akhooha (talk) 18:29, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

P.S. Since your addition of "§" has also destroyed the link to the discussion from the page Talk:Sawm of Ramadan#Move discussion in progress, I have decided to remove the "§" as I fail to see the puropose, other than to make it difficult for the discussion to proceed. If you decide to reinstate the section-hiding "§", please do so with an explanation. Thank you. Akhooha (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Akhooha. Yes you're right, it was a typo error. Thanks for fixing it already. Best, Khestwol (talk) 14:54, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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Ghiljo Bazar

Thanks for creating this, can you please now add your references? Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 08:41, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I have found an English language ref and added it to the article. Cheers, Khestwol (talk) 18:06, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

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You seem to be making edits in a biased way. Please keep the article at the WP:Neutral point of view. Also, please don't remove the Pashto script of the name. And stop repeatedly reverting users to your version. Khestwol (talk) 18:05, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

I am surprised you think I am editing in a biased way. Please stop using POV tactic to discredit me. This is considered incivil. You need to explicitly point out where do you see my biased contributions. Article in question – Ayesha Gulalai Wazir is very much neutral in my opinion. You in your edit threatening to report or block me for removing the content, when in fact it is you who removed the verified and cited material from "Early life and education" and "political career" section. Would you please care to explain why did you? --Saqib (talk) 06:21, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Punjab

Hello, Khestwol – I see you've edited Punjab in the past, so I thought I'd ask you what you thought of the latest edit to the article. The editor added several tribes to the already existing list. I cannot judge the merits of the added content, but I noticed that the commas are not placed correctly, so if the additional material is kept, the commas will need fixing. Also, the whole section Punjab#Ethnic background has no citations, so shouldn't a "citation needed" tag be added? Best regards,  – Corinne (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Corinne. I found the addition of the tribes and castes to be ok. I think it's ok to keep it. Punctuation fixed. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

And yes, I agree, the section needs a citation needed tag. Khestwol (talk) 18:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it and fixing it.  – Corinne (talk) 15:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Your move of Mes Aynak

HI - I hadn't noticed this and have moved it back after a search for the meaning of the name. Both on Google books and Google scholar the number of sources using Mes Aynak greatly outnumber sources using different spellings, so I think it's the most common English name. If you want to start a move request please do so, I just want this to be done correctly and searching under the name you changed it to was pretty much a failure for me. Doug Weller talk 16:28, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hello, Khestwol – I saw your recent edits to Rumi, so I figured you had some interest in Persian literature. I recently moved (changed) the title of Ferdowsi millennial celebration from "Ferdowsi Millenary Celebration", so I was just updating the links in the navbox for the Ferdowsi article. I noticed a link to Firdeusi Institute. I clicked on the link since I was puzzled as to how Ferdowsi got to be spelled "Firdeusi". I started reading the article and realized that not only does it need some serious copy-editing, but there is only one reference for the whole article. I can do the copy-editing but have other articles I've got to get to, and I don't know much about adding material and references. I wonder if this article is so badly written, and so poorly sourced, that it should be submitted as an "article for deletion". What do you think? If you think the article should stay, perhaps you might have time to work on it.  – Corinne (talk) 00:22, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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Furthermore, I've noticed that the alternative name "Muslim Football Club Chaman" isn't mentioned on the target page. A quick web search shows that there seems to be a football club by this name, but are you sure it's the same club? If so, it would be helpful if you could add something to this effect (with sources) to the target page. — Smjg (talk) 12:30, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello User:Smjg. Yes, I attempted to create the redirect. However, now I found it that Muslim FC is based in Quetta, not Chaman. So it was a mistake to try to create the redirect "Muslim FC Chaman". Can you please delete this redirect? I will be thankful for the help, Khestwol (talk) 12:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear User:Smjg, as per the above please delete both these pages: Muslim Football Club Chaman. and Muslim Football Club Chaman. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 12:39, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Now I requested both articles for the speedy deletion myself. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 12:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hi. The recent discussion is still active there so I wait for your comments. --Wario-Man (talk) 09:11, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

And FYI: Talk:Bactria#Cambridge_Encyclopedia_Vol._8,_pg._2246_-_doesn't_seem_to_be_such_an_encyclopedia --Wario-Man (talk) 12:06, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Bannu

What is the reason for your last reversion?Willard84 (talk) 02:19, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

I think the word "Afghan" needed to be restored which was removed. Khestwol (talk) 02:23, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Were they not Pashtun tribes? In modern parlance, Afghan means “from Afghanistan” in modern times. Afghan and Pashtun are not used as synonyms as they used to be - Afghan usually meant Pashtun in British times, but today encompasses Tajiks, Uzbeks etc. Pashtun is therefore a more accurate description.Willard84 (talk) 02:26, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

And of course, the tribes are no longer Afghan too, of course.Willard84 (talk) 02:27, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

We can also write Bannu was used for actions against the "Tochi Valley and Waziristan". Perhaps that's more accurate and also according to the citation. Khestwol (talk) 02:33, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

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Changes in administrative structure with FATA-KP merger

Hello, I noticed you considered renaming the former agencies of FATA to be controversial. As far as I know, they are now named districts as per the FATA Interim Governance Regulation, 2018 (Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1411061). What kind of discussion do you think should be had about this issue? Avg W (talk) 03:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

• I think a group move request can be started to consider renaming all the six agencies. They can be named as districts if there is consensus. I'm not yet sure of the status of the Frontier Regions. Khestwol (talk) 11:20, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

OK, thank you. Sources are saying that the frontier regions will be renamed subdivisions and given the same status as the former tehsils of FATA, however I have not seen a source on whether they will remain independent entities or join the agencies/districts. Avg W (talk) 13:25, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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Tigrayans

You changed the first line of the Tigrayans article to say "or Tigrinyas" despite the reference for the first line clearly stating that Tigrayans is the only accurate ethnonym. Per the merger discussion it was agreed that Tigrinya is the name of the language that Tigrayans speak and its use as an ethnoynm of Eritrean Tigrayans is wrong. I wanted you to know this before I remove it from the article. If you have any questions about this I am happy to answer them. Thank you. Turtlewong (talk) 19:41, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Dear Turtlewong, there are users who say that the Tigrayans of Eritrea are called "Tigrinyas", and these users are in favor of even splitting the article into two, Tirgrayans (of Ethiopia) and Tigrinyas (of Eritrea). They are saying that "Tigrayans" do not refer to the Tigrinya-speakers of Eritrea. So as a compromise, I thought it is better to include both the names Tirgrayans and Tigrinyas in the lede. Khestwol (talk) 19:48, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate your good intentions. Unfortunately, the old splitting discussion where the claim that Eritrean Tigrayans are called "Tigrinyas" was from Eritrean nationalist sock puppets (CrumpPlint, Otakrem, Soupforone, etc.) who have been blocked indefinitely. I have provided reputable sources in the article that state that Tigrayans live on both side of the Eritrean-Ethiopian border. Also, even when Tigrinyas was an article there wasn't any reputable source that stated that Tigrinyas was an ethnonym. The whole article was based on some Tigrinya-language speakers being in Eritrea. Turtlewong (talk) 20:00, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

OK then I agree with your edit. Khestwol (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Bactrian language

Could you stop adding unsourced stuff and personal commentary to Bactrian language?

• This is a referenced text:

The present-day speakers of Munji, the modern Eastern Iranian language of the Munjan Valley in northeast Afghanistan, display the closest possible linguistic affinity with the Bactrian language.PDF link

• Henning's

Henning (1960), p. 47. Bactrian thus “occupies an intermediary position between Pashto and Yidgha-Munji on the one hand, Sogdian, Choresmian, and Parthian on the other: it is thus in its natural and rightful place in Bactria.

• Why did you cherry-picked, falsified, and misrepresented Henning's? Ignoring Sogdian, Parthian, and the others and just picking Pashto and Yidgha-Munji?! Where's "linguistic affinity" in source?![14]
• I move that sourced part from the lead to section "Classification". That's all. --Wario-Man (talk) 11:12, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, I think the current version is fine. Regarding the question as to why I chose those three languages (Munji, Yidgha, Pashto) -- it was because the statement was about modern languages, and only three languages from the quote were living. The rest i.e. Sogdian, Khwarezmian, Parthian are extinct languages. Waghmar mentioned one living language, but Henning mentioned three living languages and several extinct languages. I think we can use both references side by side. And now that the ref by Waghmar is also moved to the Classification section, it is fair enough I think. Khestwol (talk) 14:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

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See Talk page Pashtuns for discussion explanation with more references + changed authors name

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Dear Kautilya3 thanks for the note. Ok I will do it. Khestwol (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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Zakir Naik's page

You reverted my legitimate edit without giving any reason. This is very wrong. I may make mistakes, but you must inform me the reason for which my edit was undone. Please fix this mess. The revealer (talk) 09:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Because you and Umshazayn had removed references and sourced content, including the recent ban in Malaysia. Khestwol (talk) 14:29, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

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Does not really disambiguate "Gharghashti", because neither settlement is known with this name and the article previously at the base title has been deleted.

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Dear Semsurî, the article Kurds in Turkey#population seems to agree with me that in Turkey many Kurds do not speak Kurdish but Turkish because the ethnic Kurd population is higher than Kurdish language. In addition to that, the language of education and media is Turkish. So it makes sense to add Turkish as an additional language. Do you have a reason to remove Turkish, Persian and Arabic from the infobox? Khestwol (talk) 16:35, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

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Why are you changing information?

There was an update for 2020, and you reverted the page back to information from 2000s. There is a 2 decade difference and some information you have in place is incorrect. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I was reverting edits by Kraniax, as he was vandalizing the article. Khestwol (talk) 16:15, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

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	Dear Khestwol, thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, especially your recent discovery of a citation to be added to the article about Pashtuns. Keep up the good work! You are making a difference here! With regards, AnupamTalk 17:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much Anupam. Khestwol (talk) 17:54, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Requesting update and expansion help

Hello,

From recent changes and your profile, I observed and thought that, you seem to be comfortable in many languages including few Asian ones. Just wanted to enquirer if you might be interested in helping out women related topics.

I recently created Aurat (an English Wikipedia article) about Women of Asian religious or cultural descent.

As of now what I am requesting is your article update and expansion support to Aurat (an English Wikipedia article) to include information about various facets including literature movies and any other relevant reference from Asian languages you know very well. Entire concept behind article is shared on the article talk page section What all we shall include in this article.

Besides I am looking for support in expanding en:q:Aurat on English Wikiquotes . with literary quotes from your language with translations.

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OK. Thanks Diannaa for attributing it although I agree, I should have done it. Khestwol (talk) 17:53, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Afghanistan

their have been a huge vandalism in the opening section of Afghanistan. Can you undo it please and warn the contributor. Restore the name of the empires that risen from afghanistan. thanks

Hi again!
What i wrote yesterday is "very" important. It sums up the whole history of Afghanistan. That opening section was here for years. It was very important description of the region. But now the "edit" have been done in a nationalistic manner. Which only define which foreign empires ruled Afghanistan but deleted all empires and dynasties starting from kushans to durranis which were risen from the region in the opening section. I saw you editing the page (even today), hope you revert it and do something about it (which would be the right thing). Thank you!

Please cite reliable WP:secondary references if you want to add something to the article. Khestwol (talk) 09:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

This was the previous article in the opening section 

" Human habitation in Afghanistan dates back to the Middle Paleolithic Era, and the country's strategic location along the Silk Road connected it to the cultures of the Middle East and other parts of Asia. The land has historically been home to various peoples and has witnessed numerous military campaigns, including those by Alexander the Great, Mauryas, Muslim Arabs, Mongols, British, Soviets, and by the United States with allied countries. The land also served as the source from which the Kushans, Hephthalites, Samanids, Saffarids, Ghaznavids, Ghorids, Khaljis, Timurids, Mughals, Hotaks, Durranis, and others have risen to form major empires. "

It is very easy to find secondary source for this,(if you want i can provide). You can re-edit the article in way that these empires are mentioned in the opening section. waiting for your reply, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:B15D:6B76:FAFC:9724 (talk) 11:34, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I was the person who changed the section. This is not "vandalism", I did it to present a continuous history in words because this format is used by other country articles in Wikipedia. It's also a good brief way of showing the history, rather than just writing all empires which don't tell much. Weaveravel (talk) 21:29, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Weaveravel
I don't disagree with everything you edited. In fact there should be mention of foreign empires like indian ,persian and macedonian ones. All i (and many others) point out is the absence of empires that risen from the region itself. That will make your article complete and neutral. Hope you consider adding more information and contribute for better, thank you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:9908:6D85:2A44:CE8E (talk) 14:50, 19 June 2020 (UTC) 

OK I see, that's fine. If you have a sentence or something to suggest for that paragraph (to tell empires that have risen there), tell me and I can add it. Thanks. --Weaveravel (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Weaveravel: To make the lede neutral and more inclusive, I suggest to add "Indus Valley Civilization", "Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex", "Yaz culture", "Helmand culture", "Gandhara grave culture", Hephthalites, Saffarids, Samanids, Ghuris, Khaljis, Lodis, and Sur Empire somewhere in the lede. Also, Safavids must be mentioned next to the Mughals, who are already mentioned. Khestwol (talk) 19:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Khestwol: I have added some of them, as much as I could do. I'm not really sure how to add all that but without making the paragraph too extensively long, so feel free to edit it if you know the best way to publish it. --Weaveravel (talk) 21:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi again.
As much as i appreciate your contributions, i will only like to point out one more  key point. That is making it "clear" for the reader the difference between foreign and regions empires.For example Bactria and Kushans should be mentioned clearly in the beginning. That is it, thank you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:992A:3472:DBA1:9633 (talk) 19:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC) 

Now it looks way better. Just a last thing, It is if you can add the place of origin of Kushans, which is Bactrian territories (north Afghanistan). Thank you.

One more thing if (as Weaveravel said) the paragraph is longer than it should be for the opening of a wiki article. You can delete mention of dynasties like safavids and Nader afshar. leave those details for the history section.  Because the article is really long now and it will get re-edited by some other contributor if it is not shorten. Thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:746D:D4B7:569C:90D4 (talk) 13:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC) 

Delete safavids and the article is near perfect now. Well done. Thank you!

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Jalalabad

If you seem well knowledgeable about the topic it would be great if you can create a Battle of Jalalabad (1989) article. It's a major event of the Afghan war after Soviet withdrawal. Weaveravel (talk) 20:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

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Hey I have seen that you ve made significant contribution to articles on Pashtuns and Afghanistan. I'm interested in learning about ancient Pashtun history, is there anyway I can gain all knowledge without having to buy many books online? Do you by any chance write blogs? Do you recommend any book(s)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.50.91.238 (talk) 14:15, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I too don't know an authentic book on ancient Pashtun history. So information has to be taken from various scattered sources (Minorsky, Nejatie, even Baburnama, etc). Khestwol (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Mohsin dawar and Ali Wazir

I have provided all the links and sources . Can you kindly talk about your reservations here .Black12233 (talk) 11:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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Pashtun template

Hi there is someone who is continuously deleting khalji from pashtun template. I have reverted/undo it many times but he keeps deleting. Can you report him. Do it as fast as you can. thank you.

Hi again.

Please respond to my request and take a look at Pashtun empires template, undo the deletion of khalji dynasty and protect (if possible) from further vandalism. It is being vandalized by an ip user.

Maybe you can discuss this at Template talk:Pashtuns and Talk:Khalji dynasty, and try to reach a consensus. I am not very active at Wikpedia these days because I am busy, sorry. Khestwol (talk) 14:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm writing here to request you to head over to this page [[15]] and please go through the section Vandalism by kami2018. This user was reported a couple of times before by users for removing information from WP articles relating to Pashtuns and Afghans without adding any new references or building consensus on talk pages. This user is being reported for his more recent edits to the pages relating to Afghans and Pashtuns. This user casually removes words such ad Afghan, Afghanistan, or words such as 'Pashtunized' from articles relating to Pashtuns. Prior to these edits he was reported for removing information relating to Afghanistan in Pashtun pages. Back then, the reason he provided for removing Afghanistan from pashtun pages was '70% of Pashtun population lives in Pakistan and so they're 'Pakistani' and have more to do with pakistan". Clearly, he was reminded many times that Pashtuns live in Afghanistan as well and they're split between two countries, moreover their history is intimately tied to Afghanistan. But he remains adamant and continues to vandalize pages. He just has a Problem with words such as 'Afghan' or Afghanistan or Pashtunization' all such things and relating to it. Please look into the matter. For further clarification if you've time please go through his earlier edits to the Pashtun pages. I cant mention all of them here. But if you want to, and have time to spare, kindly read through his edits.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.135.47.68 (talk) 14:14, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hi @Doug Weller: I think AntiVirus20 should be banned for repeated unsourced changes/removal of sourced content. Khestwol (talk) 14:45, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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Saffarids.

Hi There have been serious vandalism and POV pushing in saffarids article. It is changed to persian dynasty from iranic, which is totally false. Hope you can take a look and fix it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.44.102 (talk) 22:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Help Needed

I need someone to pronounce اوږد in the Quetta and Wardak dialects [with foucs on ʒ and ʝ, respectively] so I can upload it to the dialects page. I would also appreciate anyother dialect speakers to upload there versions. Can you please ask Pashtun wikipedians to upload the file on Wikimedia Commons and post it to my talk page.

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Dear Khestwol can you please upload Wardak audio or ask someone with focus on ʝ [ږ] and ç [ښ] PashtoAdder4 (talk) 03:27, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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Request for Comments on Pre-Islamic Period - Pashtun history

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Traditional clothing of Afghanistan

Hello Khestwol, I'm aware you're a frequent contributor of Afghanistan articles. I just wanted to let you know that there is a severe lack of information currently about traditional Afghan clothing. There used to be an article called Afghan clothing (pan-Afghanistan) but if you look in its history, it was removed and redirected in 2020, presumably for the lack of sources. It now redirects to Pashtun clothing, which itself has had most images and info removed this year because of lack of sources (see the history).

I wanted to fix this issue but am struggling with finding suitable sources. Are you able to help on this topic? There should be a separate Afghan clothing (for Afghanistan's people) and Pashtun clothing (for Pashtuns on both sides of the border). --WR 15:48, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hasan Akhund

You say that this article should be titled according to the common name, but English language sources (including the one you gave) seem to consistently include his first name "Mohammed" (Mohammad, Muhammad). If the Islamic Emirate sets up a new English web site then there will be an authority for the spelling of his name, but until then the variations seem typical of Arabic-derived names, with none clearly being "correct." For these reasons I think the change might have been more clearly explained beforehand. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 16:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Flag of Afghanistan/ Taliban

Before removing the Flag, you ought to discuss it as the article was merged with the IEA after discussion Jibran1998 (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for catching my mistake on Unai Pass, I was more concerned with merging and not with which was the original title. —Danre98^{(talk^contribs)} 00:48, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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OK, thanks. Khestwol (talk) 12:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

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Imran Khan

Hi Khestwol. I have removed an addition you made to the opening lead at Imran Khan because it did not meet WP:NPOV and WP:WEIGHT. As a guide, libellous accusations (especially statements that are political) don't belong in the lead and violate WP:BLP. I suggest you refer to WP:LEADBIO and examples of other high-profile biographies, e.g. Narendra Modi for context. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 16:32, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi User:Mar4d, I hope you are fine. I disagree with you here, because when the accusation is so widely covered in media, we do mention it somewhere in the lede normally. Check e.g. Donald Trump, the third paragraph of the lede. However, I would agree with you that maybe we can move this statement about Khan from the first paragraph, and put it below in the 2nd/3rd/4th paragraph of the lede? Khestwol (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Khestwol. Since this is a WP:BLP, please tread carefully when adding controversial claims such as these. As I have pointed out on the article's talk, the issue was not just with this particular addition alone, but also the use of certain sources and the way they were misused out of context. Furthermore, adding political slurs and laden rhetoric like "Taliban Khan", "Butcher of Gujarat", "Donald Duck" etc. isn't encyclopaedic and breaches into WP:UNDUE territory. The "political ideology" section goes into enough detail. I don't think the Donald Trump article is a very good comparison either, because apart from them both being populist politicians, Khan and Trump have very little else in common politically, and that applies to their criticisms as well. I would not be averse however to modifying the sentence in the 4th paragraph of the lead and including Khan's position on the war in Afghanistan (which is well known), and the relevant criticism pertaining to his stance on advocating dialogue rather than military action against the Taliban, provided it satisfies WP:NPOV. Mar4d (talk) 07:00, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Aqsa

Hi Khestwol, could I convince you to reconsider your vote? I believe you have good knowledge of Islam topics so I was surprised. Onceinawhile (talk) 18:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

The point is that most Muslims will use the term "Al Aqsa Mosque" to refer to the whole area, not just the building which is the subject of that article. When discussing the Isra and Mi'raj, or the first Qibla, that always refers to the whole area, not the building (which didn't exist). When discussing the Israel-Palestine conflict, for example the Al Aqsa Intifada or the Al Aqsa Brigades, that again always refers to the area, not the building. Too few people understand this because our article structures have been unclear for a very long time. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Ramadan, 1996

I don’t know if this helps, but here is a photo of 300,000 people praying in the sahn. Everyone is facing the mosque building at the southern end, but only 5,000 people fit in there. The sahn is an integral part of all large mosques. So are shrines, like the Dome of the Rock. So there are two definitions for Al Aqsa Mosque, the building and the wider area. The term is too frequently used ambiguously – that is exactly what our disambiguation policy is used for.

Sorry to keep bothering you with this – I am here because of all the commentators so far I think you have contributed to the most articles about mosques across our encyclopedia. If you want me to stop, please tell me. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Khestwol, which claim about BBC did you mean? The BBC put in all their diagrams of the area a footnote which says "Whole site also considered by Muslims as al-Aqsa Mosque" (see for example in the article Selfstudier linked to, under the map entitled "Key holy sites in Jerusalem's Old City"). The "considered by Muslims" is poor writing because of course only Islam / Muslims can decide what a mosque is, and also the main British scholars on the subject all confirmed this a very long time ago. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:09, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

It is common to refer to an area adjoining a famous place by the name of that famous place. But that is not a big problem -- the name originally, and still, refers to the mosque. Khestwol (talk) 10:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

NO! :-)

The name originally refers to the whole compound. The sources are certain about this. When the Quran was written, and Muslims began praying to "Al Aqsa Mosque" as their first qibla, the building did not exist. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:58, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok but at least in English, the name refers to the mosque. This is the English encyclopedia remember. Khestwol (talk) 13:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

No! :-)

Look at all the high quality sources at Temple Mount#Al Aqsa Mosque using the name to refer to the whole compound (quotations are in the footnotes). I can give you 100 others if you like. Or 1,000 others. You pick a number and I will bring the sources. Or you can bring the sources if you prefer - pick some examples from Google Scholar if you like. Onceinawhile (talk) 13:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

What would be better is to check other English tertiary sources (outside Wikipedia) as to what is the primary topic for the title al-Aqsa Mosque. See one example that is generally considered reliable according to Wikipedia: Britannica. Khestwol (talk) 19:26, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Khestwol, this is an excellent idea, thank you! Since 80% of that Britannica article is talking explicitly and only about the plaza (blue text below) rather than the southern building, and the remaining sentences are about both, it shows perfectly why our article about the southern building needs disambiguating:

Al-Aqṣā Mosque, mosque in Jerusalem, located in the Old City at the terminal point of the Prophet Muhammad’s Isrāʾ journey. According to Islamic sources, the Qurʾān (17:1) indicates that Muhammad was miraculously transported one night from Mecca (al-masjid al-ḥaram, or “the sacred place of worship”) to this site in Jerusalem (al-masjid al-aqṣā, “the farther place of worship”). On that spot he led Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other messengers (rusul) of God in ritual prayer (ṣalāt). That same night he was taken up to heaven from the site of the Dome of the Rock for an encounter with God (see Miʿrāj). The term Al-Aqṣā Mosque is often extended to denote the entirety of the plaza on which the mosque and the Dome of the Rock stand, although the plaza is known formally as Al-Ḥaram al-Sharīf (“the Noble Sanctuary”). In modern times the mosque and the plaza have become a particular point of tension in the Arab-Israeli conflict. Apart from its importance to Muslims, the plaza holds significance for Jews as the site of the Temple of Jerusalem, whose Herodian incarnation was destroyed in 70 CE. The Temple Mount, as Jews refer to the plaza, and the adjacent Western Wall have since served as a site of pilgrimage. During the Six-Day War, in 1967, Israel (state established 1948) captured East Jerusalem, including the Old City, from Jordan. Israel later annexed East Jerusalem, but the plaza was left under the custodianship of an Islamic trust (waqf) maintained by the Hashemite dynasty in Jordan. In the following decades, however, restrictions on Palestinian Muslims’ access to the site, as well as Israeli excavation projects in the vicinity and evictions of Palestinian residents in nearby neighbourhoods, contributed to Muslims’ concerns over the holy site’s fate. For more information on Al-Ḥaram al-Sharīf and its significance, see Dome of the Rock.

That they have one of their facts wrong ("often extended to denote" should say "borrowed from"), as shown by high quality secondary sources, is an interesting aside and shows why we are a much better encyclopedia than they are... Onceinawhile (talk) 20:29, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Still, the hatnote at the top of al-Aqsa Mosque is more than enough. An average reader can get directed to the Temple Mount if they wish to read about the larger plaza. Khestwol (talk) 20:46, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

That is not consistent with our disambiguation policy, as this topic does not have a primary article, so the term Al Aqsa Mosque should be a disambiguation page.

This conversation between you and me has proven that much more clear disambiguation is needed. You are a highly intelligent and experienced editor, editing here for more than 12 years on related topics, and even you misunderstood how the term Al Aqsa Mosque is used until this conversation. How do you expect the rest of our readers to manage! Onceinawhile (talk) 22:29, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

That is not true and there is no real disambiguation in English language, because of the ending "Mosque". The small disambiguation that there is (which is solved by the hatnote) is mostly due to two separate names in Arabic language. Arabic Wikipedia can handle the disambiguation in Arabic language. Khestwol (talk) 22:48, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

I do not understand your first sentence. I don't understand what you mean by "because of the ending "Mosque".

This has nothing to do with Arabic (Arabic Wikipedia uses "Al Aqsa Mosque" only for the whole compound, the building is "Qibli chapel"). It is only about usage in English. You brought one English-language source, which proved my point, and if you like I can bring 100 other English-language sources to do the same again.

Onceinawhile (talk) 23:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

The meaning of mosque in English is clear so I am not sure what part you do not understand. Even the JPost article you shared earlier, also makes a clear distinction between the mosque and the Temple Mount. It says al-Aksa Mosque on the Temple Mount. (Also, note that praying in the adjacent area outside the mosque is a common sight in many cities of the world when there is not enough room inside the mosque, but those areas are still outside the mosque.) Khestwol (talk) 23:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

• From our mosque article: "Mosques are usually covered buildings, but can be any place where prayers (sujud) are performed, including outdoor courtyards.". The root meaning of mosque is literally "place of sujud".
• JPost says "on the Temple Mount" not "in the Temple Mount [compound]". The term Temple Mount refers either to the courtyard complex, or to the geographical formation. Use of the word "on" means they are referring to the latter.
• In List of largest mosques, all the largest mosques have large courtyards (sahns), which are an integral part of the mosque, not outside it. They are the same as the Jerusalem compound in architectural style. In all these other cases, the term mosque is ONLY used for the whole thing, not just for the prayer building at the qibla-end of the mosque.

Onceinawhile (talk) 07:09, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

You seem to be mixing up things intentionally. The JPost article makes the clear distinction. It is clear that al-Aqsa Mosque refers to the mosque whenever used in the proper sense, as in this Al Jazeera article which says The area houses al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock shrine. If you want to refer to the whole compound in English, you must either drop the word mosque (al-Aqsa), or add the word Compound, or use the Temple Mount to make yourself understood. Khestwol (talk) 09:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

• JPost write: "Al-Aksa Mosque is the third-holiest site in Islam". That statement always refers to the whole compound.
• This Al Jazeera video tour of Al Aqsa Mosque with 13 million views (see index page here) calls the southern building the Qibli Mosque and says it is also known as the Al Aqsa Mosque, "although that title more accurately describes the entire compound". Start from 4:40 to hear it. Using the term Qibli prayer hall for the southern building is Al Jazeera's standard practice.[18]

You accept in your last sentence that media agencies understand the importance of disambiguating the term Al Aqsa Mosque, because it is needed to make themselves understood. We must too.

Onceinawhile (talk) 13:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

No matter how accurate or inaccurate, Al Jazeera still refers to the mosque as al-Aqsa Mosque, right? And that is the common name in English (Qubli Mosque is very uncommon.) For this "accuracy" problem, redirects on the top of both articles are provided. But if you still want to push for a parenthetical disambiguation, which will only make it harder for readers to find the two articles, then I cannot help you sorry. Khestwol (talk) 14:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I just clarified how Britannica could have had the mistake we discussed above, in this comment.

What do you think of the name they use at ArchNet: "Jami' al-Aqsa". [19] That would be a concise “natural disambiguation”, as encouraged at WP:NCDAB even when it is not the most common term in English. Onceinawhile (talk) 11:28, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Khestwol,thanks again for all your efforts here. I believe consensus has developed around some form of disambiguation, but the Qibli proposal (for which, thank you) looks like it won’t gain consensus. I would be interested in your thoughts on what solution might gain enough consensus to pass at this point. Onceinawhile (talk) 18:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Need Help related Two Articles

Hi sir! : I saw your's contibutions related islam on wikipedia. These two articles on a deceased islamic and spiritual leaders Ghulam Mohi-ud-Din Ghaznavi (who was from Ghazni Afghanistan and later he migrated to Pakistan) and Muhammad Alauddin Siddiqui from Nerian Sharif Azad Kashmir. Ghulam Mohi-ud-Din Ghaznavi was 73 years old at the to of death and Muhammad Alauddin Siddiqui was 81 years old at the time of his death, but the Google search engine is showing their ages by calculating from births to till now (2022). Example: Muhammad Alauddin Siddiqui's real age (81) and years after death(5)_______= 86 (age showing). Please help in this regards thanks.Mppc2 (Talk) 16:58, 04 June 2022 (UTC)

It seems ok. The problem seems to be with the Google database -- it is possible that it may fix it automatically after some time. Khestwol (talk) 17:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

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Buddhas of Bamiyan

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Can you help me to edit a basic thing on the page of the National Resistance Front in Afghanistan

I want to point out again that nrfafg.com has nothing to do with the Front nor the Twitter account that was taken as the source, both are impostors and have nothing to do with the National Resistance Front in Afghanistan.

https://twitter.com/Sibghat_Ah/status/1523746137118756864?s=20&t=x7m1wOJb4dUMdsKm8a_KWg

The tweet of the official spokesman and head of strategic communications for the National Resistance Front in Afghanistan.

Our official website, which is active in five languages, Persian, Pashto, Arabic, Russian, English, is http://nationalresistance.org/

I ask you to correct it, and I do not know who edited it on this plagiarized site nrfafg.com without any source approved or authorized by the Resistance Front. EBUBAKIR (talk) 04:25, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Can you help me to edit a basic thing on the page of the National Resistance Front in Afghanistan

I want to point out again that nrfafg.com has nothing to do with the Front nor the Twitter account that was taken as the source, both are impostors and have nothing to do with the National Resistance Front in Afghanistan.

https://twitter.com/Sibghat_Ah/status/1523746137118756864?s=20&t=x7m1wOJb4dUMdsKm8a_KWg

The tweet of the official spokesman and head of strategic communications for the National Resistance Front in Afghanistan.

Our official website, which is active in five languages, Persian, Pashto, Arabic, Russian, English, is http://nationalresistance.org/

I ask you to correct it, and I do not know who edited it on this plagiarized site nrfafg.com without any source approved or authorized by the Resistance Front. EBUBAKIR (talk) 09:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Can you help me with infobox - National Resistance Front of Afghanistan

| Leader = Ahmad Massoud

| military_leader = Saleh Mohammad Registani

| spokesperson = Sibghatullah Ahmadi

| leader1_title = Head of Foreign Relations

| leader1_name = Ali Maisam Nazary

I just want you to help me add this information because there are 3 written leaders which is not true because the leader is one and the rest are working in specific positions so that is clear to the reader EBUBAKIR (talk) 21:12, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Can you help me In the update of NRF flag ?

Because the flag that currently exists is the old version, and it is a flag from 1992, and the new flag has some slight changes.

old

Flag of Afghanistan (1992–2001).svg

new

Flag of National Resistance Front of Afghanistan.svg

EBUBAKIR (talk) 08:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Can you help me to edit a basic thing on the page of the National Resistance Front in Afghanistan

Above all, thank you for helping me edit many things on the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan. Secondly, nrfafg.com is nothing but a fake fundraising website, and the official website of the National Resistance. active In more than five languages, is http://nationalresistance.org/

I will also attach here a source from the Spokesperson of the NRF himself and from an agency of the Turkish government

Sources

Spokesperson and Director of Strategic Communications

https://twitter.com/Sibghat_Ah/status/1494329037652561920?s=20

Anadolu Agencyhttps://www.aa.com.tr/fa/%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%BA%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86/%D8%AC%D8%A8%D9%87%D9%87-%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%85%D8%AA-%D9%85%D9%84%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%BA%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86-%DB%8C%DA%A9-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86%D8%AF-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%AF%D8%B1%D8%AF-%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%B1%D8%A7-%D8%B3%D8%B1%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%88%D9%86-%DA%A9%D8%B1%D8%AF%DB%8C%D9%85/2616596

And many other sources from the BBC and Al-Arabiya, you can see them in the links I provided clearly from the spokesperson for the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan and from the Anadolu Agency of the Turkish government.

And I hope at the time of adding our official website that you will make this link a source for it so that it will not be changed by people who do not know anything in the future. https://twitter.com/Sibghat_Ah/status/1494329037652561920?s=20 from Sibghatullah Ahmadi - Spokesperson and Director of Strategic Communications - National Resistance Front of Afghanistan

Finally, I would like to thank you for all your help in correcting the information

Thank You

EBUBAKIR (talk) 07:37, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

However, another user on Talk:National_Resistance_Front_of_Afghanistan#nrfafg.org said that nrfafg.org is the correct website. He wrote: It's the one that the NRF's Twitter page links to (https://twitter.com/nrfafg), which is itself linked to by the NRF's Head of Foreign Relations (https://twitter.com/alinazary). Do they use two websites? Maybe you can discuss it with that user on the article take page. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 10:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

The official website of the National Resistance Front in Afghanistan is nationalresistance.org and this is found on the page of the official spokesperson and head of strategic communications https://twitter.com/Sibghat_Ah and ali nazary, it is not the authority to say anything without the consent of the spokesperson , and this statement was personally confirmed by the leader of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan / nrfafg.org A fake website that collects donations without any approval from the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan - As I said, if he is the head of foreign affairs or the interior, then it is not within her authority to say anything without reviewing the leadership or the spokesperson

Thus, please return the site to our official website and add the source, taking into account the powers of the individual

Thank you

EBUBAKIR (talk) 20:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Written in the official statement https://twitter.com/Sibghat_Ah/status/1494329037652561920?s=20&t=VEPyqTf14QfB8JeI43NJtQ issued by the Office of the Spokesperson and Head of Strategic Communications, which was announced on the official website, by the spokesperson and secondly, once you enter the fake nrfafg.org website, you see that the website is fake and has nothing but fundraising.

The officel website of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan is active in five languages: Farsi, Pashtun, Arabic, English and Russian, and publishes in addition to statements, news, videos,  Photos and a lot of other activity.

Therefore, I hope that you take everything that is said in the name of the Resistance Front from the official spokesman of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan.

Moreover, we want to point out, that the official website of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan is registered with the DMCA, and I will publish the direct link to the testimony " https://www.dmca.com/r/g214w93

Sincerely EBUBAKIR (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

See [20]. I've blocked them from article space. Doug Weller talk 14:37, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I also forgot to say that the Twitter page https://twitter.com/nrfafg ish has nothing to do with the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan and it will be closed as soon as possible EBUBAKIR (talk) 20:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

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Mughal Khel

Dear Sir/Madam,

I respectfully request your assistance in reviewing my draft article, Draft:Mughal Khel. As a sub-tribe of the Yousafzai, the Mughal Khels are unique in that they are the only Yousafzai tribe residing in Southern Pakhtunkhwa, where they speak a soft version of Pashto. They are based in Bannu and their history and cultural practices have been documented in various online sources and books.

It is my hope that by writing this article, I can contribute to the knowledge base about the Yousafzai tribe and highlight their rich tradition of migration and cultural diversity. I would greatly appreciate your guidance and support in ensuring that the information is accurate and suitable for submission on Wikipedia.

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Sincerely, 18:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Isparki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isparki (talk • contribs)

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2024 Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan

I'm curious why no one, including yourself, has created an article on the recent Pakistan-Afghanistan attacks? Saqib (talk) 18:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Also @Ainty Painty: --Saqib (talk) 10:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

List of chief commissioners of the North-West Frontier Province moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to List of chief commissioners of the North-West Frontier Province. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

The article's list was already a part of the article List of governors of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, but as it's a list of chief commissioners so I had to seperate it from the governors list to be more accurate. However, I don't think a list would need specific sources, because then that other article also doesn't have any source? Would you delete the governors list article too, User:Significa liberdade? Khestwol (talk) 18:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Khestwol: Thanks for commenting with your concerns. I want to address a few points you made:

1. Per Wikipedia's guidelines regarding standalone lists, "Stand-alone lists are subject to Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines for articles, including verifiability and citing sources". Lists are subject to specific notability guidelines based on the availability of existing sources.
2. Unfortunately, many of the articles on Wikipedia do meet existing standards. In part, this is because Wikipedia has improved its standards over time to become a more valuable and reliable resources. If you see articles that do not have citations, you can help out by adding citations and/or adding a maintenance tag, such as {{unreferenced}} (see Template:Unreferenced).
3. The List of chief commissioners of the North-West Frontier Province article has not been deleted. Rather, it has been moved to the draft space where it can continue to be improved without risk of it being deleted. If you contest having this moved to the draft space, you may move it back to the main space.

I hope this helps! Let me know if you have further questions, comments, and/or concerns. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you I have added a couple of sources and also the exact dates and months to the article, as before it listed only the years. Can we now move it to the main space? The other Chief Commissioners lists at Template:Administrators of provinces in British India, though, don't cite sources currently. Khestwol (talk) 01:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)