User:Dr. Blofeld/ArchiveFebruary2009

Categories and stubs

Hi Blofeld,

I just wanted to let you know that you shouldn't include two subcategories when the category only needs one. For example, when you created Category:Gabonese politician stubs, you included Category:Gabonese people stubs. However, this category is no longer needed and actually hampers the process of stub-sorting because it is difficult to get an accurate count of stubs left to sort.--TM 13:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh I didn't mean to, I must have included it by accident. I understand. Thanks Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Japanese dams

No problem, Blofeld. Dams aren't my "thing", but I saw the AfD notice on your page. Just took a couple minutes to find a couple links and a news story. If the AfD nominator had done that, it would caused less drama, and been more constructive, but that's what people have to do to get respect around here, I guess. :-( Dekkappai (talk) 15:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Well they aren't exactly my first port of call either but when I was stub sorting I happened to notice how much content was missing. I rather liked some of the images and with most of them having articles on Japanese wikipedia I thought it would be good to start a series on them. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I understand. You're doing good work here, Blofeld, covering subjects in areas which are not represented here, whether they're in your line of interest or not. I really admire your dedication. Myself, I come across highly "notable" subjects all the time-- even those in my own fields of interest-- that don't have articles. I've got plenty of references to back them up... but before I get around to putting it all together nice and neat so that no sniper AfD's it as soon as I start it, I've lost interest and gone on to another subject... So who is the winner in this system? It's obvious who the loser is-- Wikipedia, and those who use it for information. Dekkappai (talk) 15:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm pretty cool with this AFD, I can see his concerns about length but that is only because I am trying to hard to greatly improve our coverage of notable missing topics in the long run. The idea though is that people who come across any lacking stubs I create they might do a google search and try to begin building on what we have already or have aknolwedge of Japanese to translate from Japanese wikipedia. Yes we want more "completed" articles but this will take a great amount of time; perhaps I shouldn't create stubs and expect others to contribute to them, but I think wikipedia is a collaborative site but more collaboration is needed I think. Some people seem to want to take the easy option of deletion though, me I'm an expansionist and think a high number of our existing stubs could probably be made into very good articles. Sure we should probably delete many articles we have on here but massive improvements could be made with more collaboration. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I really can't agree with AfDing over concerns about length. If you're concerned that the article is too short, you expand it. Is Wikipedia finished? Or nearly finished? That seems to be the attitude lately-- We're basically done with the content, now we have to start weeding out the "non-notable" stuff. ("Notable" according to our own POV / OR definition.) I think nothing could be further from the truth. A one-sentence article on George Washington doesn't mean George Washington is not "notable", it just means we've got to work on the article. That was the attitude at Wikipedia when I first came, but it seems to be more and more a minority attitude. Anyway-- It's back to my Japanese & Korean articles. The more I think about what's going on here today, the less I want to work here :-( Dekkappai (talk) 16:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I know but thats the common problem is that many people "expect" wikipedia to be completed rather than an encyclopedia building project. Often these people are those who aren't active contributors and expect others to write the encyclopedia and they can just read it. Naturally I want the most resourceful encyclopedia possible but for this to happen we need to expand our coverage, and this means that many articles will take a long time to develop. Yes, people should help expand articles if they are concerned about them, but the response at AFDs (my AFDs anyway) is generally positive, especially in this circumstance that the overal community will accept these articles with a bit of flesh to them. I think though that there are still by far a higher proportion of those who understand about stub building on here -after all we now have 2,720,000 articles and around 80% are stubs? I guess though that the deletionist attitude shared by a few can be very off-putting. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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Losing edits

Yeah...I hate it when that happens. Not often, but often enough to be annoying. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

It would have to be tonight, after dinner. But sure...just let me know what countries you need and I'd be happy to see what I can do. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

If your template is to be believed, the Maldives look like they should be fun. This site could be of some use to find a few buildings, though not many. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of which...one of the things I'd like to do this year is improve the coverage of Canadian lighthouses on here. Seriously - the number of articles thus far is shamefully small. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

The same website I linked you to earlier, actually, has a very good and comprehensive list of lighthouses, both for the US and Canada. Although the US entries are very well covered. I have a translation or two to knock out this weekend, but I'd like to start a few articles on British Columbian lighthouses before Monday. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of thinking - I've a little more to do before I head home. I'll get started on some stuff tonight. (And the Maldivian church website is working fine for me, for some reason.) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, I give up. I can't find enough stuff on the Maldives to make it work. I'll try something else first. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

It's an interesting place - someday I think I'd like to visit there. (Same as with everyplace else I haven't visited yet, really.) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:09, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah - it's happened to me more times than I care to remember. Sometimes the best think to do is just to back off a bit and let it quiet down. Ah, well...I'm going to do a little photography this afternoon. We'll see how it turns out. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Tunis

Started on the antiquity, but looks like most of the work has been done. Nice work! Sorry I couldn't contribute more. --Polylerus (talk) 21:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

monasteries

Apologies miss read what you wrote. Waacstats (talk) 22:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Valenzuela City ‎

Good catch! None of the images you listed (as well as all of his other uploads) were sourced - and so tagged for deletion that way. He had the gall to request page protection [1] for "constant vandalism" and for featured article status - voracious SPA, no? :) Skier Dude (talk) 05:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Coffee and tea

Hi, Coffee production in El Salvador is quite a good article, I went looking for WP:COFFEE and found Wikipedia:WikiProject Soft Drinks/Coffee and Tea task force; they have a variety of article tags for talk pages, couldn't really figure on the correct one to apply, thought you'd be interested. --Mr Accountable (talk) 08:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

A great article in fact, well done. You misjudge me sirrah! I love redlinks - they mean that new Cambodian articles will be developed. I promise I'll put the redlinks back in the commune tables as soon as each article has appeared on the front page. You see, a table full of redlinks is enough to kill a DYK nomination (from experience) and I have five expanded district articles in the DYK queue waiting for approval - with still more to come. Paxse (talk) 19:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Croatian architects' articles

Sorry for the delay in replying and sorry for the time it took to translate the articles. I had started translating one of them, but there was the 2008 Zagreb bombing and I was only a block away when it happened. Afterwards I had some things to do in real life, so I kind of forgot about this, so thanks for the wake-up call. I have fully translated all of those on your list, except Ivan Albertal and Vicko Andrić, which I'll finish tomorrow. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 18:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll let you know when I finish these last two to set up a new batch. :-) Admiral Norton ^(talk) 18:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

That sounds like a good plan

Ok, you do the communes and I can add the population data and references - gradually. Remember I have the 1998 census data (complete) and there is no new data available lower than province level. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 19:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, you're a gentleman and a scholar. I like the new settlement boxes - a great improvement. Thanks for adding the pic to Sihanoukville Autonomous Port - that was quite disorientating for a moment there - thought I had clicked the wrong article. Do you believe I spent three hours trying different search terms on Flickr this afternoon? I was looking for a free licensed tourist shot of the port and not one bugger thought to photograph the infrastructure just bloody beaches and sunsets - blasted tourists! Paxse (talk) 19:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Yus, yus I know. In fact I seem to recall pointing you to Flickr for free Cambodian images in mid 2007 ;) - but the point is there were none! Those blasted tourists just come here and take thousands of pictures of temples and sunsets and silly stuff like that - what on earth are they thinking. Instead they should be taking stunning photographs of infrastructure for you and I to write articles about, you see? Paxse (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

It is a pain I know. Actually Pailin photos I have - currently sitting on my computer, even Sala Krau District. I've got images for about a dozen districts to upload and some Phnom Penh road photos you requested as well. Later though, I want to keep working on these districts. Paxse (talk) 20:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

If you want to avoid creating 14,073 village articles, how about adding a population column to the commune tables? Then I can stick the population numbers in later. Photos later, it takes me forever to upload and describe and geo tag etc. There are districts waiting for me to expand them! Paxse (talk) 20:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

(preliminary census report next to the keyboard) 2008 Census, 24 provinces, 185 districts, 1,621 communes and 14,073 villages. (book next to the keyboard) 1998 Census 24 provinces, 183 districts, 1,609 communes and 13,406 villages. We need to keep using the '98 numbers for now. Nothing lower than provincial totals available for 2008 yet. G'night. Paxse (talk) 20:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Well done with the boxes. It is lateish, but this is the only time I can edit - once the kids are abed and the house is peaceful! I still have another district to expand before sleep. Hope all is well in sunny Wales, I'm imagining some Satriani pounding out of a pair of speakers while E.S. Blofeld edits Wiki at the speed of a feral moggy on crack! Cheers, Paxse (talk) 15:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

lag on categories

I think the lag has something to do with the job queue being nearly 1.5 million. I know some of the categories I've created have taken a week to fill up properly. Waacstats (talk) 23:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Bolivia

Hi, Many thanks for your contributions to Bolivia, too! Yes, I know, there's a lot of work :). I saw your new template. Great! See you. -- CaTi0604 (talk) 14:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

We might as well found a nice duo: You with your quena and me with my siku and chajchas (fortunately mine are made out of nuts, not nails and hooves of goats and pigs ;) ). But anyway, thanks for your hints :). Bye. -- CaTi0604 (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Ye ha, Gee-Tar!

Damn, haven't heard Surfin' with the Alien in ages - thanks. You must have seen/heard the G3 concerts? Holy mother of Kazam that was a might guitar rush, even on DVD ($2 each here just to rub it in!). Yep, Stevie Ray check, also Yngwie, Steve Vai, Gary Moore, John Williams (a student of the master) and the master himself, another (nearly) bald bastard. For my time of the night, I think something of his like Asturias is probably more appropriate :) Now you've completely distracted me from Kang Measand I'll never get it done! ;) Paxse (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Kibitzer - cam struct sub

In case you missed my Kibitzer comment at User:Paxse, I was curious about the search for Cambodia building stubs, I searched and found some buildings: Khleangs and then Baksei Chamkrong; the latter has a Cambodian structure stub tag, might be what you're looking for. --Mr Accountable (talk) 11:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for the greeting, Mr Accountable is actually my 3rd user name here, can't remember who made the new user greeting at User:McDogm or User:McTrixie. Don't worry, I'm not a sock puppet, it took me a while to think of a web name that I could use. --Mr Accountable (talk) 21:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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Gabonese politicians

You deleted my last message; please don't do that. Your articles contain another error that I did not notice at first: you've classified all of those deputies as being from Libreville. Please use this list to determine the actual constituency of each deputy. It's not fair to dump all these articles into mainspace and expect someone else to fix all their problems. Everyking (talk) 07:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

"Not fair?" .Really????? I guess it is indeed terribly unfair of me to try to expand the coverage on wikipedia and spent a lot of time developing content on here. How unfair of me. Naturally of course I never do anything myself or cleanup after other people either, I guess I'm terribly lazy and unwilling to help out perhaps? I've said that they are members of the National Assembly of Gabon in Libreville meaning the "National Assembly of Gabon is in Libreville. I have not said oh "They were born in Libreville" or "They represent Libreville" either for that matter you dumb smuck. Stop trying to make things worse than they actually are. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the institution is located in Libreville, but I don't understand why that should be mentioned in the article, and it's likely to be confusing (it confused me). Your attitude is terrible and you should try to be more open to collaboration and criticism. Everyking (talk) 16:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

My attitude is terrible? I've created 1/65th of wikipedia and you have the nerve to come talking to me that I'm not fair or am somehow lazy and leave all the work up to others?? To me it looks plain and simple as if you are intentionally trying to find more things wrong with it. If they are very problematic then put them up for deletion and I will gladly delete them as I am clearly making matters worse by creating them than trying to improve things in the long run. Aside from this I really am not feeling in the mood for this. I received the news that a close Aunty of mine passed away this morning and its not the sort of welcome I want to receive at the best of times let alone now. Thankyou. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Xinjiang related edits

Hi, I noticed that you had edited Dahongliutan. Assuming that you have some interest in the region, I was wondering if you could help with the page Hindutash (about a historic mountain pass in Xinjiang) where a single purpose account, user:Hindutashravi, intermittently keeps editing the article and claiming that the pass is in Kashmir. Please see my post on Talk:Hindutash. He had been blocked a year or two ago, but seems to have reappeared. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

"Unfair"

Yep, unfair of you to do all that work and let an error or two creep in :-) Keep up the good work, and don't let the occasional complaint bog you down. My sincere condolences on your recent loss, Blofeld. Perhaps it's time to take a short break from your hard work here. (Oh, and I believe it's "schmuck" not "smuck"-- though my favorite of your "personal attacks" remains the time you called the entire Opera Project a "bunch of old farts"-- I'm still chuckling over that one :-) Take care. Dekkappai (talk) 17:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, yes I am aware of the spelling it was intended to be spelt that way. The thing is it that particularly perceived fault wasn't an error, the only errors made were in regards to several of genders being mixed e.g. Paulina is a guy etc and some of the surnames in the wrong order or mispelt. Those which were mispelt I cannot be held responsible for as these were the names given on the official government website. Sometimes the double barreled surnames can be listed backwards and the first name backwards so it can be misread. Anyway I am open to deleting them if they are problematic or can't be expanded. I don't mind people informing me of a fault, its when they do it in a way that suggests you are causing a nuisance to other editors and are some sort of tumor for trying to improve our coverage in the long term. Generally I am a pleasant individual; if I remember rightly it was one or two editors at WP:Opera who caused an outrage in remember to myself and Her Pegship stub tagging "their" articles and again labelled us as a nuisance. "Fuddy Duddy" is also a common word to describe people set in their ways or intolerant to change. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

What's that? Snow, you say?

So I gather. The troubles on the ground at Heathrow are playing merry hell with our operations at work, apparently. Not that I'd know - I don't use it all that often. We're supposed to get a flurry or ten around here, beginning tonight. I'd quite welcome it, so long as it doesn't turn to ice; I love a good snow, so long as it's not frozen too solid.

By the way, am I to understand (from reading your archives) that you referred to the entire Opera Wikiproject as a "bunch of old farts"? I've contributed a fair amount to their work myself, so them's fightin' words, son. :-)

(Care to divulge what the issue in question was? Sounds like it was quite juicy. And I'm always up for a bit of gossip...) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Gracious - I had no idea things had gotten to be like that. I honestly haven't been active in the project for some time, and never was in that deep to begin with; basically I ended up involved because I was using an old opera encyclopedia to create articles about some older singers who were missing. For what it's worth, I would have been on your side in the dispute (naturally); I don't see why there was one in the first place.

Ah, well...more pleasant matters: I went here yesterday and got a few photographs; also I illustrated this, this, and this. So now you know what my "town" looks like...kind of (the Walgreen's is five minutes' drive from my house, and I learned to drive in the park.) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, yes - now I've got a working camera again, I'm going to work on illustrating as much of Fairfax County and the surrounding environs as I can. As for now, it's off to dinner...happy editing, and don't get into any more scraps while I'm away. ;-) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds a lot nicer than what we've been getting here. It's flurrying a bit, but nothing of any value is sticking to the ground. Ah, well...I'll try and get a picture when I have the chance; I brought my camera to work for that express purpose. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Most excellent. Quiet day, so I've been rooting around the Library of Congress exhibits page, trying to find some useful images. I've managed five or six as of now. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, yes - I agree wholeheartedly. There is so much information out there that has yet to be included on Wikipedia. Photographic and otherwise - I had no idea the LoC's web holdings were as rich as they are. Over the past month I've managed to come up with nine or ten illustrations from their online exhibits, and that's without really even trying that hard. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, without looking too hard I've managed to find a handful of wonderful, free, highly useful images. And that's within the past couple of days. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/PHG

The above-linked Arbitration case has been closed and the final decision published.

PHG's mentorship and sourcing arrangement is both revised and extended; the full list of new conditions are available by clicking this link. Furthermore, the original topic ban on editing articles related to medieval or ancient history has been rescinded. PHG is prohibited from editing articles relating to the Mongol Empire, the Crusades, intersections between Crusader states and the Mongol Empire, and Hellenistic India—all broadly defined. This topic ban will last for a period of one year. He is permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion.

Any particular article may be added or removed from PHG's editing restriction at the discretion of his mentor; publicly logged to prevent confusion of the restriction's coverage. The mentor is encouraged to be responsive to feedback from editors in making and reconsidering such actions. Furthermore, the Committee noted that PHG has complied with the Committee's restrictions over the past ten months, and that PHG is encouraged to continue contributing to Wikipedia and Wikimedia projects. PHG should be permitted and encouraged by other editors to write well-sourced suggestions on talkpages, to contribute free-content images to Wikimedia Commons, and to build trust with the community.

For the Arbitration Committee,
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Hi

Hi! Any new articles for DYK-nom? Hey, by the way, if you don't mind, do you know Hindi?-02:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gory, Mali

On February 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gory, Mali, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Congratulations - a fine article. I'm jealous of your snow! Cheers, Paxse (talk) 12:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks very much for the barnstar, not least that you made a special barnstar just for me :) Arsenikk ^(talk) 11:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Xangxung or Zhang Zhung?

Hi Ernst! I wonder if you would please give an opinion on the discussion on the Talk page about the name Xangxung and whether it should be changed back to Zhangzhung or Zhang Zhung? Best wishes, John Hill (talk) 11:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey

I have no time to read your message but to make little edits. I check only the watchlist. I see now that you sent me two messages. If I am here tomorrow, I'll respond -- it's too long LOL Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about??? Have I reverted any of your edits on the article? And what's Africa got to do with this? I only removed the unencyclopedic part of the actresses look and the incorrect of taboo on kissing scenes... Is there anything wrong with that? I don't have time. I may come tomorrow and I may come next month... Seeing your talking manner, I honestly prefer the second option... Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Mister Blofeld, I've taken long days to source the entire popularity section - it was actually not written by me - I only looked for sources. And it was not an easy task. Any kind of addition is welcomed as long as it is sourced. If it is, then anyone can go ahead. Unsourced information will be removed, because it only ruins the article and I personally have no time to source it. We must enforce these rules because otherwise this page will turn into one piece of original research. "Kissing scenes are no longer taboo" is a classic example. Why? Because it's both unsourced, incorrect and can be easily considered the worst piece of original reseach. And did I say anything about you changing the wording of Africa? I was the one who insisted and fought to include contries which Bollywood is not popular in as well as all the best of negativities related to it like plagiarism, criticism and failure. Please don't make me regret that I visit WP. Please do whatever you find right when this section. I have my share of things to worry about rather than trying to keep in minor touch just to see how someone whom I consider a friend throws a block of complaints at my face. Shahid • ^Talk2me 23:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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DYK nom

Hi. I've nominated Tsarong Dzasa, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 10:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments. I just remembered the DYk you had suggested-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 10:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Maldives

Yes, I'll do that. The Maldives and the Philippines, and maybe Pacific Islands, are already on my list, and I'm trying to build a background on traditional artisan fishing, which is remarkable sparse on the web. --Geronimo20 (talk) 11:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I've expanded it. It still needs a thorough copyedit, which I'll do over the next day or so. I could not find much up to date data. At least it's now structured so it will be easy to update when more current data comes to light. --Geronimo20 (talk) 12:06, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

There are problems with the DYK nomination. The hook is not correct. Also, it is entered for the 2nd Feb instead of the 4th, which cuts down the time to tidy it up. --Geronimo20 (talk) 18:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK nom

Hi. I've nominated Fishing industry in the Maldives, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 12:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL

This James now removes Zinta's name claimng she is not popular and adds Deepika Padukone (who is two-three films old) and Imran Khan (a newcomer.....)... Thanks for watching the page. If he keeps doing that, could you please ask for admin help? Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL reminds me this article. I generally consider adding Bebo too because she is generally popular and had critical acclaim for her roles in the last year, but I first want to see what this year has to offer from her and whether the success of the last year follows or not, because she has never been consistent. Koena Mitra LOL!! Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL. What do you mean? Koena Mitra is a brilliant actress, far more prominent than even Rekha, India's most acclaimed actress!! (Heheh) Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

HAHAHAHAHA Koena Mitra!! She is now going to Hollywood - she is the next Meryl Streep.... Oh I've heard.... OMG!!!

Well I can't see how it will be improved when this idiot keeps reverting it to his own version, adding his nonsense and reverting all of our edits yesterday, including your copyedits and my improvments........ It's annoying. I've reported him on AIV. Could you please revert him, because although it is clear vandalism I don't want to revert it thrice in one day....

He's blocked! Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

See how many sources I have added a few months back when I had time [2]... The info there is correct, but needs sources - I will also add some sources to your list when the time allows me. You must make a FA for Shania!! Take Gwen Stefani, Kate Bush and Kylie Minogue as role-models... What do you say? Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL!!!! I mean their articles!! In order to make a FA for Shania! Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:54, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

This is one of the most amazing videos of Zinta... A collection of sad and dramatic moments. It shows what a brilliant actress she is... Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

agriculture series

Could you carify how sure you are that this is PD and why?Geni 17:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Library of Congress material is public domain text trust me. Read Wikipedia:Library of Congress Country Studies. There is even a taskforce somwhere which had a checklist of what or what needs transferring from the library material base. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Problem is it doesn't appear to originate from the libiary of congress. See this.Geni 18:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is... even the google book search credits the LOC. The LOC prints (or used to print) these books and sell them, if you wanted hard copies. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Bollywood

I'd keep an eye on things, unless you know somebody who knows the industry better than you do. Unless...how many articles are you talking about, exactly? And how many people are doing the reverting? Worse comes to worse, you might end up having to start an arbitration hearing on the subject. I used to have the same problem with the Governors Island article - there's somebody who keeps putting in borderline POV stuff about it being the birthplace of American freedom or some such. Finally I just gave up; life's too short to worry about stuff like that.

I saw the baby on the news the other night, actually - everything looks fully formed. Didn't mean to be tardy in response, sorry - I was on lunch. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

If you're starting to feel overwhelmed, maybe you should just let other editors take over for a while and stop watching the pages. That's what I ended up doing about Governors Island; life's too short to worry about stuff like that. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I saw that this morning. My reaction was along the lines of "AAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa". Jesus. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh! Almost forgot - I compiled this today, and will probably add a handful to it in the next few days or so. Something to start on, perhaps? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

hi

Sorry to respond so slowly! Been very distracted editing random topics (mostly some series for the history of central america). What exactly can I do to help you and Paxse? Just finish the commune list on that page? I can dig up my example commune articles with all the sources I've found, so you can model them after that if you'd like. I also created some templates for making commune pages easier, that I filled in using Excel's concatenate function and some fancy spreadsheets. If you're interested I might be able to email but I'm always nervous about giving out those sort of things.... And re the photos, they're great! I've noticed that some are still tagged OTRS pending, which should be fixed so they aren't nominated for deletion later. To get the high res photos from the one really prolific woman, did you friend her on flickr? I only see low-res ones. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

New stub templates

Hi Dr.B - just a note that your two new stub templates ({{Russia-film-stub}} and {{USSR-film-stub}}) have redlinked categories. Were they meant to be upmerged, or did you simply forget? Grutness...wha? 22:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I've no real opinion one way or the opther, but it would have been better to upmerge them until there was a definite decision - there's ntohing worse than a redlinked category on a stub template! Grutness...wha? 23:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Gayokang

Dear Ernst. The only thing I have been able to find out about Gayokang so far is that it was at the foot of Kangchenjunga, not too far from Thanggu which is in the Thanggu Valley - Gangtok, India (Coordinates: 27°53'59"N 88°31'5"E) [[3]]. The German party apparently set up a base camp of 8 tents at Gayokang for several weeks. See: [4]. Sorry, but that's it for the moment. cheers, John Hill (talk) 01:01, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Re

Hello buddy, I am doing fine!! Honestly, I hardly have any time these days for myself, let alone Wikipedia :(( I try to come on as frequently as possisble whenever I have the time. My Univeristy was on a strike for 3 months, which was why I was able to come on Wikipedia frequently. Fortunately, classes resumed this Monday (Feb 2) but unfortunately everything has been a chaos. Due to the limited amount of time, we only have three weeks [before exams start] to learn three month-worth of materials. Professors have been seriously cramming a lot of information. After all this is done, the beginning of March will commence the second term of the school year, which will last all the way until June. So you see, I am really busy with University and unfortunately I will not be able to help out. Sorry for any inconveniences :(( -- Bollywood Dreamz ^talk 03:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

"Unfair" pt. 2

Hi, Blofeld. Take a look at my little encounter over at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Looney Tunes Golden Collection: Volume 1 (2nd nomination)... I added links & citations to sources on each of the 5 or 6 articles up for deletion, and for my work the nominator dragged me to some "Wiki-etiquette alert" trial, and some other guy says I haven't done anything to show notability... It's obvious the articles are going to be saved, but still... Jeez, and you guys wonder why I keep my nose stuck in Japanese porn :-) Tough work, but someone has to do it! Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 06:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Right... But this little episode seems to show that AfDs are getting even worse if not better. I'd come across this "Sourcing is not to be added except as a citation within the body of the text." insanity before. First time I've seen someone reported for it though... And another "editor" flat-out stated, "OK, so they're notable. But that doesn't mean they deserve an article. Delete." Truly baffling. You have to wonder if these people have ever worked on an article... Dekkappai (talk) 14:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Zimbabwe/District templates

Impressive and useful. I have worked on expanding the Beitbridge wards, eg Siyoka I but will happilly get to starting new stubs too. Babakathy (talk) 10:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, in Zim municipality usually means either a district or an urban counil, but municipality is used in wikipedia for the local government level below district. It is problematic. Babakathy (talk) 11:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I support your move. You may draw some disagreement but be bold! Babakathy (talk) 11:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I have set up Template:Gwanda District. Babakathy (talk) 12:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure - I'll be happy to AWB some stuff for you tonight. As to the other issue, check your mail - I don't want to say anything publicly. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

As I've said many times before, the dearth of Wiki coverage on certain areas of the world is mind-boggling. Sad, really. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. I got a handful of photos from the train this morning to add - I'm thinking of taking another photographing jaunt this weekend, see what I can come up with. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 15:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it is - by the same token, though I can understand why people might be cagey in providing images. Me, I'm a horrid photographer, so I don't have any worries that anybody's going to steal something that I've done. Others aren't so (un)lucky. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 15:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I get a bit depressed too, sometimes. Like yesterday, when I reverted a bit of vandalism to the featured article; somebody had inserted the word "gay" at a strategic point in the text. Because, you know, it's hilarious to call a world-famous athlete and philanthropist homosexual. *sigh* --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 17:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks very nice - excellent work. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

You're a right renaissance man, you are. A practical Leonardo da Wiki.

Incidentally, there is some good material on politicians at the websites for the national assemblies of Madagascar and Zambia, and some decent information at Malawi's parliamentary website as well, if you're looking to expand your horizons within Africa. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps in a little while I'll compile a few more politician lists. Speaking of which, for a couple of places (Kiribati, Lesotho) all I've been able to find is a text list of current parliamentarians, with party affiliation. Nothing else - do you think that's sufficient to start a collection of stubs? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Then I think that's what I shall do. Ah, well...back to the grind for now. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:01, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

re German Olympic medalists

could you clarify your view on the proposal, do you suggest that we create just the germnay-sport-Olympic temp/cats or both those and the East/WestGermany-olympic templates/cats. Waacstats (talk) 19:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Mali

Aah!!! Most of those are only of big cities, which are already well illustrated. I'm working on 1960s Benin at the moment, Eddy too lazy to start Mali templates. He has told me that he will fill in some redlinks if you supply them! ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Excellent work. So excellent, in fact, that it deserves a barnstar:

		The Mapmaker's Star
		For all of your excellent work in creating maps of the cercles of Mali, I award you this Mapmaker's Barnstar. You truly are a renaissance man - Leonardo da Vinci would be jealous, I think. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 21:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Put it on the pile with the others... --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

It is pretty, isn't it? You're most welcome. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, now - take a little breather now and again! ;-) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I had thought, perhaps, I might run interference and create some politician stubs for you, but looking at the Malian parliamentary website I find a depressing dearth of information. Ah, well - I'll do some others tonight instead, though. Oh...and I want to stub all of Ngaio Marsh's novels sometime soon. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The Samoan parliament has some basic information regarding their parliamentarians on its website. Something to consider tonight...right now I've got a couple of last-minute things to take care of. ---User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I will slow down, and be more careful.--Dougofborg (talk) 22:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The excellent-ness continues - well done ferreting out such images! --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Zimbabwe is AWB'd. Anything else you'd like me to do? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 03:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. For my part I'll try and work on some more politicians today. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

For me, the best example remains the article on cephalophores, which I started as a two-line stub way back when. Now look what it's turned into. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Good luck to them. It's been cold around here, with more snow than we've had in the past few years, but still far less than I've seen before. It's supposed to be unseasonably mild come the weekend, though - I'm hearing temperatures will be in the lower 50's at least. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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Tiresome

I've written him a message now (a very sharp one). He does not get that he is actually the one who has to start a discussion, not us. Secondly, he himself misinterprets the policy and the criteria. Shahid • ^Talk2me 07:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

WOW exactly - it's beautiful! Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

WOWOWW you have a romantic mood today! I see... Tell me, what is the standard age for men to marry in Britain? Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Funny how I end up fighting with editors for issues that had been closed a long time ago. I'm tired of this, but I like my messages, because I find my arguments very valid. This particular editor just says things that are based on his personal views. "These images violate this policy" - my answer: which particular part of it? ; "This image is replaceable" - my answer: according to whom? ; "Critical commentary is valid only when the images are used in the film article." - my answer: according to whom?

See the discussion on Talk:Preity Zinta. What do you think? Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Dr. Blofeld. You have new messages at Ravichandar84's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 18:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Britannica

Interesting, indeed, though not really that surprising; I know they've been feuding with Wikipedia for a long while, and I do find it kind of interesting that they've finally caved, after it's been proven that we're actually more accurate, statistically, than they. I don't know how well it's going to bode for them in the long run, to be honest. Ah, well. Anything interesting on the books for today? I have some politicians to stub and an opera to listen to. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 17:19, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I think it will remain free, no worries. Too many people have invested too much in keeping it that way to change things. Yes, there are subjects that need more in-depth treatment on here. But honestly, where else could you find American lighthouse keepers sitting cheek by jowl with obscure German operas? Seriously...I think it's that breadth that makes the difference with this project, compared to other encyclopedias. Speaking of which...I should probably get going on stubbing the Malagasay parliament. I added them all to the same subpage, if you're interested in having a look. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, then MAYBE I WILL. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Much obliged, thanks. I may finish up tonight, but since it's late I might just go and do it tomorrow. I thought I'd do it earlier, but I got distracted by Casablanca on TV. --User:AlbertHerring

^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 08:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do; but this thing is giving me trouble today, so I may be useless. It's gorgeous out, though, so I think I'm going to do some photography of my own before finishing up those Malagasy politicians. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll see you that and raise you this. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Give me a little bit - it's trash day, but once I've taken stuff to the curb I should be able to tag stuff for you. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 00:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Done. Any others you'd like me to tag? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 00:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Very good. I'll work on finishing Madagascar for now. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for welcome

Will try read/understand Wikipedia:Categorisation. Feel free to correct me if I make mistake. Again, thanks for welcome.--Kebeta (talk) 20:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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DYK nom

Sorry for the delay! I was away from the internet for most of Saturday. How about this? Is it okay?-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 02:33, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Communes of Mali

Hey man, sorry I've been so slow getting back to you: real life impinging and all. Those are amazing sources. I've downloaded them all, although a handful have broken links. If you'd like to give me a portion you'd like me to do, and a model of what you need, I can start working on them Monday (NYC time). Thanks again for the heads up, T L Miles (talk) 22:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good: I'll begin using the pdfs on the Communes of the Kayes Region articles you've created. I doubt I'll be able to match your speed, but I'll keeps slogging away at it. Thanks for the opportunity! T L Miles (talk) 02:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

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Kafiristan

I find that you had been creating templates on Nuristan. How about working on the article on the historic Kafiristan? If time permits, I'll get involved. I had accumulated some material and I would love to get involved. -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 04:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

If you don't mind, were you in the army>-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 15:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but more than just the terrain, the Pashtuns or Pathans are terrible fighters. They strictly adhere to the rules of Pashtunwali and rarely give up-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 16:05, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry...

You posted right after I shut down the computer, it looks like. Very nice photographs; I'm glad to hear Flickr's being so nice and productive. I'll probably add a few more images tonight; beyond that, we'll see. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at Belle Haven, Fairfax County, Virginia. All of those I took yesterday. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

And there's more where that came from - I have more things to upload over the next few days. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Righty-o - I'm on it. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

And done. Anything else? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

February 2009

This is the only warning you will receive for your Wikipediholism.
If you edit Wikipedia again, you will be nominated for administratorship.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 14:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

He! he! Agreed! To apply for adminship is risky business, indeed. Got to be ready to be censured for whatever mistakes we might have committed knowingly or unknowingly -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 14:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed! Civility issues do create hassles. We ought to bear with uncivil vandals, and yet, if we report them, we soon get the feeling that little is done. And then, such reports could sometimes be used against us at RfA-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 15:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Same for me too! Sometimes, I wonder what material gain I get out of editing Wikipedia. (apart from enriching my knowledge, of course) But then, I realize that the Wikipedia looks ugly when incomplete and I take it upon myself to create non-existent articles related to my state or country. Let me see. I simply don't want to leave Wikipedia forever. But I do not want to be labelled "Wikipediholic" either. May be I should bring down my editing per month to around the 500-600 mark-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 03:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

You must become an admin

Ravivhandar just took the words right out of my mouth.

Hey Blof see that. I'm just amazed to see Zinta nominated along with Academy Award-winning actresses like Susan Sarandon etc., for the best actress award at the Academy of Cinema and Television - the Genie Awards. Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeh LOL... I don't if Zinta gets the award eventually, but the nomination itself is an achievement by all means. Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

That's not about talent, that's about success. He is a fan of somehow who is not as successful, and it's obvious that he will dislike her for that reason. That was the case with User:Shez 15, who was a die hard fan of Rani Mukerji (who has been Preity's costar in many films and is often compared to her in terms of success and talent), and thought that these lovely ladies are rivals. He was attacking Pa7 for working more on Preity's page and for being her fan and saying fighting Plumcouch and Zora for working more on Preity's page. I still can remember his words "Stop your Preity favoritsm", "Rani is the best", "you all hate Rani, you are jealous of Rani". He was writing all kinds of rubbish on Rani's page like "Rani is perhaps the most expensive star on the continent"... And see this message... You'll be shocked...

And I also remember how one very big fan of Zinta attacked me for editing Rani's page. He told me to choose whom I like more between the two actresses and to stop editing Rani's page if I like Preity... LOL!!! This message always makes me laugh. Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for new Manual of Style for Thailand-related articles

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Re: List of nature parks in Germany

Hi,

Sorry about the late response (I was on wiki-vacation until recently). I'm not sure if I could have translated the whole thing (I've cut back substantially on my editing), but I would've been glad to tackle some sections. Anyway, I'm happy to see that the article has been translated by now.

I am still working on catching up to the last four month's changes on my watchlist, but I look forward to getting back to working on African protected areas articles.

Cheers, –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 21:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: Italics

User:Ckatz seems to have the technical side of it sussed out. I agree that a more general discussion would be a good idea. Regards. PC78 (talk) 20:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Naming

Hi, you offered your help. My question is about grammar or naming: Should we keep the category names Category:Provinces of Cochabamba Department and Category:Cities, towns and villages in Cochabamba Department as they are or is it better to add the word "the" (... in the Cochabamba Department, Provinces of the Cochabamba Department). Thanks in advance for your answer. -- CaTi0604 (talk) 10:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I understand. Thank you! -- CaTi0604 (talk) 10:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Lakshmikanthan Murder Case

I noticed that you are interested in Indian films. Perhaps you might find this article interesting. The life of this guy Lakshmikanthan, occasionally, reminds me of Charles Augustus Milverton. I wish to expand it; however, the main source it relies upon has been blacklisted. Anyway, I hope to find some sources in the near future.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 14:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm! Maybe, when you could find time could you search for sources? -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 14:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

No probs! Take your own time. :-)-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 14:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

AWB Mali

I'll take care of it soon as I get home. Honestly, I had considered doing it this morning before I left, but that would have been cutting it a bit closer than I like.

I've been incredibly busy the past couple of days, so I haven't really done much beyond some AWB chores and adding a few more images - see Hollin Hall, Penn's Landing, Brandywine River Museum, Smithsonian American Art Museum, and Abbot Suger for a handful. It's supposed to get cold again this weekend, so we'll see what I'll be able to do with myself then. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I, too, feel completely lazy when I don't get stuff done on plan. Although things have been mad enough over the past few days that I'm not feeling lazy right now. Ah, well...whatever else you add to the request, just let me know; I'll do it all together tonight. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

OK - I'll add it to the pile, then. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Both are done. Want me to re-tag the start-class talk pages with stub tags? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Brazilian cinema tables

I've been removing some blank rows from these, I want to make sure they aren't placeholders for anything, there were a lot of cells with just (') in them. Let me know if there's any problem with me tightening up and standardizing these. I really admire all the dedicated work you've contributed. Mjpresson (talk) 19:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Tsarong Dzasa

On February 12, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tsarong Dzasa, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass 21:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Sikasso

Yeah, I'll probably work on that sometime soon. I'm just trying not to spend the rest of my life on the computer. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Note for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

Good work with the various starters on towns around the globe! Just two minor points:

1. If {{Infobox Settlement}} includes coordinates, it's not necessary to add {{coord missing}}. We remove them by bot occasionally, e.g. at Sanguela.
2. Some of the coordinates parameters for {{Infobox Settlement}} were updated. I updated the description at Template:Infobox_Settlement/doc#Geographic_information accordingly.
   • "|coordinates_display = X" is sufficient to display coordinates in the title field
   • "|coordinates_type =region:ML_type:city" isn't needed anymore if "|subdivision_name = " is in the form "[[country name]]" or "country name". It doesn't work with flag icons in the field though. An advantage of the automatic type is that it reuses population.

Regards

MI6

<quote> Hi. Yes thats the problem with the inconsistent coordinates that are available. I was told off the other day by User:Anome for NOT including coordin missing!! Now its vice versa LOL! I sometimes forget to delete it! Anyway if you add a parameter to the infobox it should display it above title anyway. Regards Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC) </quote>

Don't worry about deleting it. It's easier to delete it by bot than to add it later. -- MI6

Blof

Could you please participate in this discussion? Shahid • ^Talk2me 11:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! Shahid • ^Talk2me 14:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Now if you can just get User:Shshshsh to learn how to format properly and stop doing funny things to my reply in the same talk page..... if he hasn't already done so yet again....

Although this does not help matters, since I still see no reason why User:Shshshsh rejects sites like oneindia.com, thaindian.com , and industry expert sites like iefilmi.com are rejected.

Zhanzhao (talk) 14:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Obviously I will. Thank you Blof for everything. I'll see that tomorrow. Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Just to give you a heads up. I'm running down the lists of sites that User:Shshshsh is rejecting outright, with the detailed justification given. If User:Shshshsh is still unable to provide detailed reason beyond a "its unvarifiable and unreliable" as he has done previously, I shall assume he is doing a WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT and add in the links for the sites he refuses to refute. I hope this is agreeable to you? Thanks in advance!Zhanzhao (talk) 14:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Expand Polish

Template:Expand Polish has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Kleinzach 12:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I've voted. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

If it's making you feel lightheaded, you might want to try something a bit different. I lost quite a bit of weight over the summer, but I've put a little back on. The trick, for me, was to cut down on my general intake, and walk every evening. Which I'll do again once it warms up, of course. Walking is underrated as exercise, I think; it's done wonders for me. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry - busy day today. I haven't really been sure which way is up since about ten this morning. I'm still not sure, actually. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

"One of those days" is a bit of an understatement, actually...this morning was totally insane. Thanks for the image - it's very lovely. I should try and do some more photography myself this weekend. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Hrmm...Faroese restaurant? Now there's an idea.

Anything you'd like me to AWB? Feeling any less lightheaded? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Fishing industry in the Maldives

On February 13, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fishing industry in the Maldives, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 14:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Zanzibar Revolution FAC

Hi, Zanzibar Revolution is currently listed at WP:FAC. As you have an interest in the article I wondered if you might like to take a look over it and maybe comment on the FAC. Many thanks - Dumelow (talk) 12:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments at the FAC. I have stated my intention to withdraw the nom (I was unsure of how to close it myself) and will seek a PR once the FAC has been closed. As you said I probably should have PRed it before the FAC and I will be sure to do that in the future. Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 18:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

A proposal to overhaul the translation system, using your templates

I posted something to this effect at Wikipedia_talk:Translation#Proposal_for_change_in_translation_process. Thoughts? Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

the photos are lovely, by the way! have you already added them to articles? Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

AWB etc.

OK - I await further word. In the meantime I'll work on some more politicians, now I've got a little time.

Yeah, intake is key; as I say, what helped me a lot last summer, when I got started on losing weight, was merely to reduce my food intake. I didn't change any of the particular things I ate - I just ate less of them. It helped quite a bit. Of course, I don't exercise beyond a walk in the evening most days, if even that. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, what do I care now? Malagasy politicians are done, dinner's on, and I've passed 50,000 edits today. Feels pretty good, I have to say. :-) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

They haven't updated the count, I don't think - but I think I must be up there. Nowhere near you, of course... --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 23:55, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know - I try not to obsess. But it's nice to be able to quantify my work on here, sometimes.

Excellent article - that's the sort of thing we can use more of on here. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 17:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

If I may make a suggestion? Find the last version of the article previous to the copyvio version. Click on it; click on "edit", and save without making any changes. That will overwrite anything done since. I've done it myself on a couple of occasions when simple undoing can't be done. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

OK - that does seem severe. Any idea why it was done? And if it can be undone? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Isn't there some way it can be retrieved? I'd like to help, but I'm off to a concert, sorry. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. I've been busy myself today - a lot of sculpture photographs from the National Gallery. Hopefully most of them will be useful. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Nice pictures, nice map...

Funnily enough I was in a floating village briefly this morning - for work unfortunately so only a couple of photographs. Been working up country for a few days and picked up a couple of snaps for some districts along highway five. I've one Kampong Cham district left to expand and nominate (Tbuong Kmoum) before I move on to Banteay Meanchey. I'll try and do a couple tomorrow.
I got some news from the Provincial Government in Battambang. A whole bundle of new districts are being created all over the country - lots of changes. I've got a Khmer language copy of the Prakas (law) showing the district level changes, but not commune level yet. Once the basic information is in place, it will be time for an update and overhaul to reflect these changes. I got couple of nice photos in Kos Kralor District - but our Battambang districts are all mixed up so it may be a week or so before I can sort them out. Thanks also for the guitar links, I plan to have a listen tomorrow (both are new to me). I'm off to Prey Veng on Monday and I'll see if I can take some pictures along the way. Work is flat out at the moment. Hope you are well. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 19:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Neal Schon

Listening now - excellent stuff, very chilled and very nice guitar. The missus says to tell you it's very nice but its making her sleepy! Now, I've gotta load up the bald one to wake her up. Paxse (talk) 08:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Abidjan

At 17:15, 19 June 2005 user:65.205.251.51 copied rather a large chunk of text from World Watch Online. The text then appeared in pretty much all subsequent versions of the article. We then got a complaint so had to delete back to the non copyvio version.Geni 19:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Not really. Trying to create any derivatives of the version with the copyvio in will result in a complete mess.Geni 19:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

You don't need me to get a copy. answers.com has one.Geni 20:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

It is not publicaly acessable.Geni 20:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

translation templates

Hey, I've gotten some translation links to work on the Spanish template. See Huancavelica for an example. The problem though is that it doesn't work yet for multi-word article titles (see Hospital de Sant Pau for a bad example). The problem is the spaces screw up the wikitext for the URL (it doesn't realize that the URL has spaces, and puts all the words after the first one as part of the title). I'm asking at the help desk for how to fix this. In the end it may require that you input another field into the template that will be Hospital_de_Sant_Pau or something like that. A bit of a pain, but I guess not the end of the world. hopefully someone else knows a better way. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

i figured it out! go have a look--i think it's pretty cool. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually I had already removed it for another reason (only Google is compatible with multi-word titles). I just wasn't sure if we should be being platform-neutral so I stuck a few on there. I may add a caveat to the template about not copy-pasting blindly. If you'd like to have a go you're welcome to tinker with {{Expand language}}. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree that a bot could be useful, though again this is another somewhat daring proposal that could generate tons of discussion at the village pump. At first maybe not even a bot to make changes but someone who knows how to analyze the databases could see which articles are X kb longer at another interwiki than at en.wiki? Then a human decides if a tag should go up? This would be slow going but wikiprojects might help with their individual languages. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Essentially the problem is that the category name is being automatically generated by the template. It seems kind of silly to add another template parameter for the category name. I think ideally we should redo the category scheme entirely so it's something like Category:Articles to be translated from Spanish Wikipedia which distinguishes it from the other translation needed articles, which are articles pasted in other languages into en.wiki (which have two weeks to be saved before being prodded). Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, once I get everything all set up with the templates I'll start migrating categories. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's not possible. Templates don't have too many fancy powers. :( Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so now all the templates are converted, and all the categories are migrated. (What mind-numbing work that was! At least now we can get on with the fun stuff.) In my mind the next steps are:

1. migrate all uses of {{Translation}} (essentially the same thing, but not as sophisticated) to the new templates
2. convince people at WP:TRANSLATE that this is the best way to go (hopefully should be easy, no one has spoken up in defense of the old system in two days!)
3. write a how-to guide to translation (what not to do, what to do, don't copy-paste, honor GFDL) to put as a link on the templates
4. maybe revise the templates themselves to tell people not to copy-paste (which really isn't that productive anyways if people have a google link right there)
5. maybe go through the uses of {{Expand language (non-Latin script)}} and add links to the foreign-language articles, because that template doesn't generate the links automatically.

Thoughts? Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, all the categories are fixed. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you very much for your wishes! :-) Yeah, I would like to get involved in the discussions but I need some time. I wish to make a detailed examination of the links provided than utter something at first glance.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 04:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm with you

Obviously. I totally agree with what you have said. The plagiarism part belongs to the Bollywood article. The films themselves -- to the film articles. That's exactly what I wanted to ask you a few days back, and I'm glad that you now suggest to do the same. This is an encyclopedia, not a magazine list. Those who disagree are welcome to read WP:NOT. Period.

I'll later post the same on the talk page. Blof I thank you so much for your help and for taking this issue so seriously. The amazing WikiBlof.:) Shahid • ^Talk2me 14:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

So says the person who has nothing to back up his rejection of iefilm.com. I guess if it saves you the blushes anything is agreeable to you. I have no objections to it being on the Bollywood article in any case, as long as edit wars doesn't happen again. But that would entail a proper explanation on why individual sites are rejected. Which goes back to the discussion on the acceptability of individual links. Rather than a sweeping statement/edit.

This is a community effort site. Meaning any action taken by any member must be explained properly, especially sweeping edits, and that even if the information is controversial, they have a right to exist as long as they are properly cited.. Those who disagree are welcome to read WP:NOTCENSORED.

Zhanzhao (talk) 14:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Funny LOL!!! How's that related? Well, but this user must understand. I don't have to show why a source is unreliable. It would be stupid if Wikipedia worked this way. I question sources, and THE PERSON who added them must prove their reliability. The fact that our very dear Zhanzhao did not know that shows that he did not read WP:RS and WP:V. Shahid • ^Talk2me 14:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Tell him Blof. Don't remember how both you and I fought to prove the reliability of one particular source? If iefilmi and others are important to you, do the same. Shahid • ^Talk2me 14:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

PS: I have not problems with writing a new article on this, but I would like to at least know for sure what guarantees there are that my efforts will not be wasted, i.e. it becomes another target of unexplained deletions? As I explained, my main contention has not been whether the sites exists or not, but the reasons why some sites are being rejected. In the talk pages, I heavily focused onquestioning the rejection criteria for the iefilmi.com website. One can say I'm using it as sort of a benchmark of whats accepteble and whats not. In fact most of my reversions haven been questioning User:Shshshsh on the very same topic. As he was the one providing a vage rejection reason, it is only his responsibility as a responsible editor to properly explain why iefilmi.com is rejected rather than making vague "read WP policy" replies, because according to my intepretation (which I explained very clearly) of it the source is acceptable. This at least deserves closure. Because if it does not, I can practically guarantee that another edit war is sure to ensue in the future, as the international audiences (and potential wiki users) gets radually more exposed to bollywood films.Zhanzhao (talk) 14:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

You are the one who added the source. I don't have any opinion about it. I just question its reliability. Now you have to prove it's reliable. Until this is not done by you properly, you cannot use it anywhere. An edit war will not start, don't worry, because you have been told and warned about this issue of sources. Shahid • ^Talk2me 15:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Blog please also clear to him that no list will be added. We have to forget the practice of listing films. This is an encyclopedia, not a magazine. The issue itself will be discussed in prose, which is neutral, well witten, well sourced to reliable sources, and does not contain original research. Some films which have been accused of plagiarism will be added as an example if their reference is significant and adds to the understanding of the topic. Shahid • ^Talk2me 15:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the India EU Film Initiative source: Considering that the following content has been added in almost every page the argument has been going on at, (but you still refused to reply on any one of them) I don't see how this will be any different, but let me try again. If you insist on making a fool out of yourself on someone else's page I'm not one to stop you.

Given the credentials of its members and its editor, its definitely credible. Given the organizations role and objectives, its obviously subject to peer review. It is not self-published, being the site of an actual organization. Its an official website for an actual organisation involved with the Indian film industry in an objective level and stand.

Plus as mentioned in my own talk page just,

Its actually a think-tank for EU and Indian film makers, sort of like an industry association established only early last year (from what I gather), hence there isn't much public info on them as compared to the older news sites. Plus the fact that they are more of a B2B rather than a comsumer oriented site/organisation does not help publicity wise. But the organisation has been interviewed by mainstream new agencies who acknowledge the organization and its roles. I.e. here and here and here.

As for lists: No problems there. Who said anything about lists? The only reason I ended up used the list on the old page was because the list table format already existed there, and I was merely continuing with what was being done on the page. But wait, I forgot that I'm actually arguing with someone who screws up other people's formatting with new edits, so I guess its a lost cause explaining that to you as well....Zhanzhao (talk) 15:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Ping

You've got mail! Fritzpoll (talk) 15:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I knew you would be! Replied Fritzpoll (talk) 16:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear friend

I'm really sorry to hear that. Please don't hold such bad superstitions. I understand that many tragic incidents had happened to you in this particular month but it means nothing really in regard to your beloved grandma. Don't wait for her death (God forbid) to come. You have to hope to see her recovering and getting better, and it's possible. I really wish her a speedy recovery. If you want her to live a lot more, expect some better things, don't think about such terrible things as death, be hopeful, and pray to whatever God you believe in. I really wish that she'd recover soon. Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeh amazing song, I've heard it many times... It's exactly a song that would have suited better the clip I showed you. Shahid • ^Talk2me 19:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Expand template

No, the design of it doesn't bother me, it's mostly the message of it. Most articles on Wikipedia should be expanded, so it's silly to mark them. There was a bold proposal to delete it that was shot down about a year ago, much to my disappointment. I'll check out the VP discussion though. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

User:SatuSuro just left a message on my talk page calling the use of {{Expand Indonesian}} into question. Care to have a look, or to talk to him/her? I don't know much about id.wiki. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Should I put that one up for AFD, or do you want to db-self it? There are a couple articles like Langsat where the indonesian article is actually very good. I suppose we could just add a big warning to the template instruction page, that it should not be applied to unreferenced articles? Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Just added for Thai and Tagalog. Also added to Khmer though I doubt that any articles in km.wiki are referenced....

Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Got that one too now. If you think of others, let me konw. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, got that too. And I made it into a template parameter. Look how beautiful the code is![5] :) Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Damn it, I actually messed it all up. Don't look yet!! Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Sir, your comments re me re appreciated trust the baldness is as close to mine these days :) - have to get off to take a teenager to school - but hey - stay well and keep those edit coutns up (phew!) SatuSuro 22:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Pleasure to do business with you gentlemen (?) - expand in indonesian project is a doyble edged sword (hey i like that tyop) and I am sure there in the end there is no big deal with it, really

As for down our remote corner of the melting planet - yes the heat last week in Victoria was extreme - and yes generally hot but habitable out west. Have crossed the Nullarbor twice in 18 months - it gets really hot out there (my car's ac only just copes) but accepted - its the damned south east drought that affects the largest sector of the population in the country - not good.SatuSuro 04:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

File:Aafje Heynis.jpg

Just to let you know that I recently copied the above image that you uploaded to Wikipedia over to WikiMedia Commons, the Wikimedia central media repository for all free media. The image had been tagged with the {{Copy to Wikimedia Commons}} template. Your image is now available to all Wikimedia projects at the following location: Commons:File:Aafje Heynis.jpg. The original version of the image uploaded to Wikipedia has been tagged with WP:CSD#I8. Cheers! --Captain-tucker (talk) 00:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

EverettMcGill

OK, I've left a message to say the page will go within the next 24 hrs, and I'll then delete and salt, thanks jimfbleak (talk) 06:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Zoomable maps

Yeah - that would be nice.

I had a good day for photography on Sunday - have a look at some of the things I did:

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I have more, too, which I'm working on cropping and otherwise prettifying. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but I'm lazy. :-) Besides, that information is already in the caption or in the metadata from the camera.

As to Commons, I know I should probably use it, but truth be told, I've never liked it all that much for some reason. I like uploading things directly here, especially because it's always possible to transclude them over to Commons later.

I know, I know, not perfect - but I'm a temperamental artist. :-) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 15:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, we've got some great ones here in DC. Speaking of which...I need to get to the Hirshhorn, and to the American Art Museum, and maybe over to American History to do some artifact photography; there are loads of things which would be a help to Wikipedia. And since I've been informed that the Smithsonian is only a pseudo-governmental organization, and consequently its images don't meet the US government's PD requirements, I can probably overcome a large part of that problem if need be. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 15:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

'Course not. I'm terribly possessive, didn't you know? ;-) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 15:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Let 'em learn English. :-)

(Yes, I am evil. Quite. Comes with the territory, didn't you know?) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 15:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

!!!!! I nearly photographed that one as well, before thinking better of it - didn't want to waste space on the memory card for it, since I already had an example of his work. Small world, no? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 15:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure - just tell me which regions you'd like me to tag. And do you want the tag on the front page or on the talk page? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

OK - I'll do some tonight. I also have some talk pages to create; that should keep me occupied for a while. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

So do you want them merely removed, or replaced? Either is feasible. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Templates again

For their usage, should we recommend that they go on the main article for stubs and starts, and on the talk page for better articles? That way, they are only on the article page when it is most helpful especially to readers, who have easy access to a machine translation of a better article. Also, when the current wiki article is poor it is more likely that someone will help translate quickly. It's hard to translate and integrate info into a better article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

yeah i just asked because i'm going through the old template ({{translation}}), which was to be placed on talk pages. I think there had been some conflict over it too, and I think conflict can be avoided if it is only placed on crappy articles because who cares if they look ugly! Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

if you have a moment, it would be great if you could help converting the old {{translation}} templates to our new ones. (See here.) There are about 230 left, I think. It's kind of slow going bc most of the tags have been ignored (languishing on the talk page, I guess) and many of the requests are now irrelevant bc the english article has improved. So what I'm doing is going to the English artilce, then going to the recommended translation source, and comparing them. If the other article is significantly better, I delete the old tag from the talk page and add our new one to the article page. If the other one isn't much better (or is worse/the same), I just remove the old tag and make a note of what I am doing. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:36, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

It's at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ATranslation&namespace=1 I can work from the front if you work from the back. Oh, and I just added a new section to the translation page about classroom collaborations, which is linked from the templates. (Click "Involve your language class" in {{Expand German}}, for instance.) I think that we need to be more aggressive in our outreach and somehow take advantage of the hundreds of high-school and college language classes that are writing little papers that are read by the teacher and then thrown away... Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I put that there because if it is not credited, it is a copyright violation the same as if you copy-pasted from another website, because the GFDL is not being followed. So there should be some warning, or else editors who haven't read the instruction page are unwittingly creating a big copyvio problem. Somewhere else there is a discussion about how we want to get away from mentioning the translation on the article page because it's an unnecessary self-reference and other wikis aren't reliable in themselves anyways. So I think this is probably the best way to manage and track translated articles in wiki. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I figured maybe I could make an optional one, so if nothing was specified it went into one big unsorted category, but if something was specified it would go into a special category. I think this would make sense to implement maybe only for the biggest languages. My fear is that if you and Albert get too excited tagging geo-stubs people who don't want to translate that type of article will browse the category and give up for lack of interest. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

What do you think of the new text I put encouraging the use of the translation credit template? See Sainte-Julie, Quebec e.g. Is this more straightforward? Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:VPR#Semi-automated_translation_of_missing_articles. This guy has the same vision you do. I've invited him to help us. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Howdy.

English convention is National Highway # (those you did already), then National Road #, followed by Provincial Road #. After that you have inter-district and inter-village roads which don't have numbers or names. NHs have only one digit, NRs have 2 digits, PRs have three digits. So 202 would be Provincial Road 202 and 3 would be National Highway 3. This means that National Highway 11, (Neak Luong to Peam Cheng) is actually a misnomer - it's a national road, like NR 78. There are less than 80 PRs though - it's a tiny country. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 17:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, National Highways are 1-7 then National Roads start at 11 and up. The highest I can find is 78 - but not all numbers in between are used (rather like Phnom Penh house numbers!) Provincial Roads start at 101 and go up, the highest is 300 something, but again not all numbers in between are used. How about calling the template, major roads in Cambodia? Time for bed for me - too busy for much Wiki lately. Paxse (talk) 17:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Infobox German municipality

I'm not sure why you're posting this here; the template talk page would seem to be a better place. Or if you think it will be non-controversial, just edit it yourself or place an editprotected request. Stifle (talk) 21:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I did post at the template. I am not permitted to edit it, Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

File:KamranShahafgan.jpg

Doctor - could you take a look at this image - MJisnotmylover uploaded a different version than yours that meets the fair use size. If that 2nd image is OK, I'll delete the first & fix the page. Skier Dude (talk) 03:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:TheBattleofNeretva.gif)

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Bollywood Edit War again

As I expected, the removal of the Plagiarism page is merely postponing the inevitable. As requested, I only mentioned movies in prose, citing examples when I was describing a particular as trend. The reasons I added in the citations as they were is explained in the task force talk page. In summary, I cited the original korean news source, then cited Twitchfilm.net as the English translated site, the content of the latter being verified by getting someone who knows korean to compare both pages. However, User:Shshshsh still refuses to except them and keeps removing my content.

You'll have to pardon me if I am forced to think that he has a personal agenda against me as I have done all as requested, but my posts are still being picked on by that one particular person. I hope you can have a talk with User:Shshshsh and get him to explain his reason for rejecting the cites, since my request for explanation is going on deaf ears. Or if you think my new citations are unreliable as well, I welcome a fresh discussion on the talk page. But I really do not want it to drop to the level of yet another edit war again. I wish to focus my times on other articles as well. Thanks and apologies for any inconvenience causedZhanzhao (talk) 01:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Eek

Get well soon - sorry to hear you're ill. Today is going to be absolute madness; someone's out, which means I'm doing double duty. Will do some heavy editing once I get home, most likely. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 16:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

How's your grandma?

Shahid • ^Talk2me 07:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

KnowledgeHegemony ^talk 13:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Extremely ill. She has been in and out of a coma the last few days. The phone has been ringing like crazy. I;ve been ill myself with horrid salmonella poisoning and am still recovering so I haven't seen her for three days unfortunately. We had a phone call two nights ago (I thought it was going to be "the news" ) but they said she wasn't responding. She is slipping in and out of a coma, it will be a miracle if she pulls through this. At 103 her immune system will be drastically lower than when younger which is partly why few people live this long or longer. The older the body gets the harder it is to fight off infections and disease. She has always been an extremely tough woman. I'm just praying that she will get better as just two weeks ago she was in wonderful health for her age.

Feeling so sad now. Just received a phone call to say her pulse is getting weaker and her kidneys have packed up and so is her liver about to too. My cousin Jane saw her earlier and was sobbing when she left as she just "knew" it was going to be a matter of hours. Shes had a wonderfully long life but I feel so sad at her passing and breakdown like this. Death comes to us all, most much sooner than 103 but I will miss her greatly.

I'm kind of feeling as you do when you learn that a close family member has died right now, or is near death, a sickening emotion. I suspect she won't last the night. I loved her dearly ever since I was a baby and could first remember her giving me peppermints!. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't heard - I'm sorry. Lucky of her to live as long as she did, though; mine died a year ago last June, now, and she was 94. Still, it doesn't make things any easier.

Take care. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

95, actually - she died in '07, not '06 (stupid of me to forget). She was a few months younger than Ronald Reagan, and outlasted him by two years. Outlasted Gian Carlo Menotti by a few months, too, at that.

No worries - I'm a pretty good listener, and don't mind doing it. I do have a bit of a rant about the past couple of days, but I'll save it for later, when I have a little time to actually write it out. I don't get steamed easily, but that did it. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm also sorry to hear of your grandmother's illness. She will be in my prayers. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry guys, thanks but she didn't make it. She died minutes ago. Rest in Peace Great Mother. December 23, 1905 - February 20 2009. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm so sorry for your loss. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. I'm sorry - take care. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Not in the least - by all means, go ahead. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry for your grandma. May she rest in peace!-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 06:03, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks buddy. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

May her soul rest in peace. --KnowledgeHegemony ^talk 11:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Bollywood film batch from December 31

First of all, I extend friendly thoughts to you and your grandmother and I hope that you're doing OK.

I wanted to touch base with you with regards to the several dozen sub-stub articles you created on December 31, such as Sunayana, etc. I was just wondering if you are intending to expand those articles past their current stages. I was planning on mass PROD-ing the whole bunch of them but, since it's you and not some random newbie who created them, I felt it would only be fair that I touch base with you and see if you're planning to do anything with them.

Thanks. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 18:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh Blof I'm so sorry

My true and sincere condolences. May her soul rest in peace. I'm really sorry for that. But you can be at least happy that she had a good and long life, and died with a caring family who worried, loved and helped her until the last minutes of her life. I'm really sorry Blof, Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Not really - I added a few images, but decided to take it easy last night. I'll do some this afternoon for sure, though.

How about you? How are you doing right now? I didn't mean to vanish yesterday afternoon - don't forget, though, that my commute is at best a little under an hour, door to door, so that's time I'm away from a computer. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 17:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

OK - take your time. No hurry. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah - I saw some of them last night. Still, it is a start. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

It really is - still, better that than nothing.

OK, I've got a couple of artists from my museum jaunt to fill in, and add photographs for their work - after that I'll be doing some tagging. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Blofeld, I'm sorry for your loss. Please look after yourself. Kind regards, The Anome (talk) 21:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the tip! Lone radical (talk) 18:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Norovirus? Charming. Glad to hear you're starting to get over it, at least. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Good luck with it. I'm going to put tagging aside for a bit and work on a couple of NRHP things I've been meaning to do for a while. Hopefully I can get them taken care of soon. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Accept my sympathies too. learned about your recent loss just now.--Chanaka L (talk) 12:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Expand tags

Hi Blofeld, do you think Fritzpoll would help make a bot to improve the expand language tags? No one has responded to my request so far at WP:BOTREQ. What I want is to convert all the tags so that there is no link to the foreign-language article as a default. But I want there to be a bot that runs on a regular basis (weekly? don't know) that comes by, looks at the article to find the interwiki, then adds the article parameter to the tag. That way we won't have any incorrect links, and it will be very easy to apply the tags to articles. The only complication I could see is that sometimes there are two interwikis per one en.wiki article. I guess same for when there is no interwiki. Maybe those could be outputted to a list, so that they could be fixed manually, or the bot could notify the tagger so s/he would fix it. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree re automatic application of the tags but I think this is less controversial as a first step.... Next I think we should be looking for things with stub tags on en.wiki that are X kb longer on other wikis but I'm not sure if that would get approved by BAG without some sort of discussion at village pump, which may not be the best. I think having the system established for a while before asking for a major bot-run expansion of it is best. At least then people are used to the idea of these tags existing, so that can't be another issue. Garion96 was very difficult about his at WP:BOTREQ and I think we'll run into this sort of hostility elsewhere, at least for now. Can you think of any way to track our progress? I suppose maybe another bot that keeps track of which articles have the tags, and then searches for ones that used to have the tags in the past and don't now, then one of us could review them... to keep a sort of list of why these tags are a good thing. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Why is the fact that someone is disagreeing immediately consideredd hostility? And Blofeld, yes, "exceptionally difficult to you", thanks. You want a list of the things I corrected for you by being so "exceptionally difficult"? Garion96 (talk) 20:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Stating someone is being difficult when not agreeing with you, ok. Stating someone is "extremely difficult" or "encountering hostility" when not agreeing with you on the other hand is quite pathetic. So is using statements like "typical of the kind of narrow minded attitude that many have on here in regards to our potential and ways in which we can improve" in a discussion.". I don't agree with you. you don't agree with me. I don't consider you difficult because of that. I consider you difficult because the examples above. And yes, I don't like tags, I think they rarely help. And yes, I think (possible) copyright violations are a danger to Wikipedia. Garion96 (talk) 20:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps pathetic is also too harsh. But you know what I mean. Basically, this is only a website and it only was a normal discussion (not a fight) with two sides not agreeing. There were was no reason at all to react harsh there. And yes, I also think of the readers, which is why I don't like tags. How about this for an idea. If the tag is on an article but nothing happens, can a bot remove the tag? Say like after 6 months? I don't like the tag but even more I don't like the 5000 unneeded tags in articles in Category:Articles to be expanded since January 2007, Tagged two years ago. Garion96 (talk) 20:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Garion, I didn't mean hostility in a pejorative way, just that you are adamantly opposed to this sort of change. (And I guess I was a bit frustrated bc our discussion was making it look like the first bot request--which should be totally uncontroversial--was tainted by disagreement.) Anyways I think rolling out the tags a bit more slowly may be a way that we can prove their worth to doubters like you. Anyways, for blofeld- In my sandbox, I've been compiling a list of "articulos buenos" in es.wiki that don't even have an article at all in en.wiki. I think it would be good to start stubs on these and tag them with expand spanish, because they're good candidates for rapid expansion. i've only really gotten through the architecture section so far, but there's a lot there already. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:53, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and the "expand" category is an unfair comparison, because that tag is just totally unhelpful and pointless. At least this tag tells you where to go and what to do rather than just being a vague exhortation to expand. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Notice that I didn't delete the article, I proposed it, as the style seemed unsuitable. If it is rewritten effectively and made to include solid information etc, i'm sure it could become a good article. There is nothing wrong with making my concerns known, as it allows the article to come to the attention of others, which allows greater potential for it's improvement Macromonkey (talk) 22:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:Sri Lankan films stubs

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Nice work! How do you found all that films. I missed a lot of them. Cheers!--Chanaka L (talk) 04:36, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Just found out that you created the articles by yourself. You better deserve this,

		The Sri Lankan Barnstar of National Merit
		I, Chanaka L here by proudly confer the Sri Lankan Barnstar of National Merit as the first ever recipient, upon you for your tireless service done to the Sri Lankan films articles.Chanaka L (talk) 05:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
		this WikiAward was given to Dr. Blofeld by Chanaka L (talk) on 05:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Welcome Dr. Blofeld, I'll improve the stubs. Keep up the good work. Cheers!--Chanaka L (talk) 12:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Maxwell Bodenheim.jpg)

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hmm

Hey, are you running a bot? —Magic.Wiki (talk) 12:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I set NewPages to hide bots but your pages were still showing up...almost thought you were bot hehe. —Magic.Wiki (talk) 12:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Norwegian

all the ones tagged so far seemed to be better in the the no.wiki "Bokmal" one, so that's the one I made for now. Would you like me to make another for the other one? It seems sensible to have separate tags anyways, so it can be a more precise pointer to where the info to be translated. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, now we have {{Expand Norwegian (Nynorsk)}}. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

re: Film requests

Hi. They've fallen to the back of the pile - sorry! I've been side-tracked with other films at the moment! Lugnuts (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Berlin

Hey, I saw your message. What exactly do you want to use the infobox for, Bezirke, Ortsteile? The districts and quarters of Hamburg use Infobox German Location, see Bahrenfeld. That seems to work well, why not do the same for Berlin. It would also be a good idea to use it for Frankfurt, that has rather lousy infoboxes for its districts, see Nied (Frankfurt am Main). And the boroughs of Munich, like Sendling-Westpark, and of Cologne (very little information about them as of now). Markussep ^Talk 20:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the boroughs of Düsseldorf are complete, no infoboxes, see Düsseldorf-Lohausen. There are several more cities with some district/borough articles, like Dresden, Bochum, Wiesbaden. And I just discovered this template: {{Infobox German location subdivision}}. Needs some cleaning up, but it could be very suitable for city subdivisions. Markussep ^Talk 09:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

New topic

Hey Blofeld, while responding to Shahid's message on his talk page, I came to know that your grandma had recently passed away!! I am so sorry to hear this!! May her soul rest in peace!! -- Bollywood Dreamz ^talk 02:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

How are you doing?? It's been a long time since I talked to you properly. -- Bollywood Dreamz ^talk 17:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I have!! Have you?? -- Bollywood Dreamz ^talk 17:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Slumdog Millionaire is indeed a great film and I really enjoyed watching it. Some Indian directors felt that if they made the film, it would have reached no where!! The Hollywood connection associated with it has definitely played a big role in bringing the film to the place it is today!! As for Haifa Wehbe: All I can say is WOW!!! MUY MUY BONITA!! =) LOL -- Bollywood Dreamz ^talk 18:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Flickr agreements

Hi Blofeld. Would you mind, some time, giving me a primer on how to elicit an agreement from a photographer on Flickr allowing their picture(s) to be uploaded to Wikipedia, as well as the form that agreement should take to be acceptable to Commons. Very sorry to read about your grandmother. --Geronimo20 (talk) 04:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Waal thanks for that. I shall jump in the deep end and see how I go negotiating agreements! There are some splendid pictures there, but all too often reserved. --Geronimo20 (talk) 10:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I seem to doing something wrong here. I have tried to send you an email message twice, but they don't seem to get through. --Geronimo20 (talk) 08:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Vale of Glamorgan

Hi. Thanks for your help with {{Vale of Glamorgan}}. There is more work to be done on other such templates if you're interested in helping. TTFN. ~Geaugagrrl ^talk 06:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

How are you?

How do you feel? Shahid • ^Talk2me 11:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. I am waiting for you to recover and get over your unavoidable sadness. Have you done something these days? Have you seen the Oscars? It was IMO the best Oscar show ever because it was made in a different format much more interesting than the previous ones. Shahid • ^Talk2me 13:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

But Slumdog is not an Indian film. Anyway, I'm happy cause I think it spreads a lot of Bollywood awareness, and the use of songs will not seem preposterous to western people. Shahid • ^Talk2me 11:25, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

You won't believe this, Bollywoof now has its own Razzie awards [6]..... Shahid • ^Talk2me 10:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately not some, but most of them are horrible. And what saddens the most is that Bollywood's biggest and best production house, Yash Raj Films also makes some terrible films. That's why I'm happy Zinta has not worked with them for two years. Her last film with them, Jhoom Barabar Jhoom was so dreadful. Zinta said she would take only films which she has something to do in.

Rani Mukerji is now constantly criticised for working only with them. The media started calling her "a flop queen". They reserve the good films only for Shahrukh Khan. In 2007, four of their five productions flopped badly, and their only film with SRK, Chak De India was a blockbuster. 2008 is the same - Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi is both critically and commercially successful. Kareena returned to YRF and made two films with them last year, both of which flopped, and one of which, Tashan, earning her an Indian Razzie nomination today... That's so sad.

80% of what gets released today is crap. Thanks Gor for such films as A Wednesday, Mumbai Meri Jaan and Luck by Chance... Shahid • ^Talk2me 10:41, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes I do think Bollywood is the best film industry because it's produced some of the best films in history which I'm still in awe of, I like the concept, the format, and when a really good film is done, it's done to the fullest. But I'm talking about the situation in the past two years. Films become insufferable. So I may be exaggerating - it may be 60%, but it's still very high. BTW, the situation is practically the same in Hollywood. And trust me, I'm watching too many films, whether it's Hollywood or Bollywood or Eaurowood. I'm not talking about my personal POV, I'm talking from a factual point of view. I may not have liked Citizen Kane but I still know and think it's a good film nonetheless. Shahid • ^Talk2me 11:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thandie Newton

No problem, I think both of those images came with different sets I got permission for. I'll keep an eye out for additional ones down the road. Flickr authors have been really helpful. I actually got permission for some wildlife images yesterday, so it looks like I'm branching out beyond just actors and films! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for that. I really enjoy finding images that really improve the articles, including high-quality images that give the actors the attention they deserve. I'm going to keep finding images as long as I can, as there are so many articles that need better, and as time goes on, more recent images. Thanks again and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 20:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I think many people are willing to let us use their images, we just need to be able to politely ask. I'm sure that we could continue to get many more images down the line once people see Wikipedia continuing to improve and its articles already having some great images. I've developed some relationships with some of the Flickr users who even contact me when they have an image that they think should go on a particular Wikipedia article. I think the fact that I link to my gallery when asking for permission shows the authors that so many other people have jumped on board and that it will be a good idea to allow the use of their images. Some of these pictures aren't that great (I'm always looking for new ones), but some like the recent images of Jennifer Aniston, Cedric the Entertainer, Tom Cruise, and heck, even a Great Blue Heron are amazing. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 20:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I keep convincing myself that it is still in the very early stages. I enjoy working with many of the people here but like you said, at times it does get annoying here when petty issues occur. I've always been amazed at how much you've done, and the number of new pages you've made. I always feel like I'm a Wikiholic when I look at my edit count and contributions. But then I just need to visit your page and see all that you've done, and convince myself that I may not be as addicted as I thought. Now that I've been here for three years, I'm continuing to branch out to new areas (just started my first attempt at an FLC), and it will be interesting to see what I delve into next. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 20:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Vietnam translation

Hi buddy. I've begun going through the Districts of Vietnam. I have decided to create some merged regional templates instead of the seperate provincial ones for now to connect more together. However the provincial templates will be filled out with the communes of each province and any other topics etc over time so they will still be kept but just not used in the district articles. I would be very grateful if you could still consider developing these sub stubs on the districts of Vietnam as something of a priority and practically the whole country is missing on here. I've begun connecting the wikipedias with tags, if you could help translate any articles from Category:Articles needing translation from Vietnamese Wikipedia this would be useful. Thanks. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this might take a while. There was a table somewhere on the net with a list of all the districts with popn and area size. To get it direct from teh govt website you need to go to this interactive map thing which takes about 2 minutes to load per picture. Thanks for your work. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I've started Communes of Vietnam. Perhaps you could find a source to support the number of communes. A number in english say around 1000, one says 1003 yet the Vietnamese wiki says 9109. Also any government lists of communes and population etc would be very useful. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

It's definitely closer to the second number. The # districts is about 500 and there are many more than two communese per district. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:Jazz

I like saxophonists, Dave Koz, Kenny G and Marion Meadows. Wrote three articles of Dave Koz songs, intent to write another of Kenny G. I am at a loss to explain about variety of my music preferences. Hearing you're an accomplished guitarist and likes jazz seems to be i am not the only one to have a wide range of music taste.--Chanakal (talk) 05:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

why is Tre-Taliesin not have an article? Is it not notable enough? A nice place, i have seen a nice photo of there. Talking about, jazz-rock fusion, I intent create a genealogy graph of Heavy metal, Alternative Rock and Punk Rock, after i saw this file.--Chanakal (talk) 14:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I took a minute to find Tre-Taliesin in atlas and the book i saw the photo. It says its 9 miles of Aberystwth. Grave of Taliesin located there. You got it right!--Chanakal (talk) 14:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I know it from the book i read. "Literary guide to Great Britain and Ireland". Besides I am a Wikipedia reader. Huh huh...--Chanakal (talk) 14:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

a sunny place!nice! So what are you editing these days? Do you contribute to music articles?--Chanakal (talk) 14:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Seems to be tireless working. I write an article per a week rate. got an exam on Monday. so i stuck with it. I am looking forward write sri lanka geography articles and song articles.--Chanakal (talk) 14:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I was editing ultratop 40 in my sandbox. I am from Kandy studying Colombo, last year in degree.--Chanakal (talk) 15:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry video not available for Sri Lanka.Bad Luck! Take your time to create Sri lankan stuff. you already done much.--Chanakal (talk) 15:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I quit for today. I am gone dizzy. my exam is actually in Sunday. Thanks for wishes! Here is some photos you might interest Portal:Sri Lanka/Selected picture. Nice to talk to you. Cheers!--Chanakal (talk) 15:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Look at this!!!!!! They even correctly put the template on the talk page!!! Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

And this! An IP and a new user! What great first results! Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually now maybe the IP is one of your friends, bc it was translated just four hours after you posted it. Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

See also [7], [8], [9], and [10]. The first other four I could find. Of these four, one is a new user and one is an IP. It seems as though there are a lot of people who can do translations that aren't regular wiki editors... And clearly they never would have known to translate these without the tags! Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I've been leaving welcome messages for the new users and pointing them to the translation needed categories. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

What are your thoughts about Wikipedia:WikiProject Echo? Seems like it hasn't been active in a long time. Should we somehow try to merge it with WP:TRANSLATION? We could have a parameter in the expand tags like fa=yes that would make {{FAOL}} redundant, so we could consolidate things. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe we could try to do outreach and/or restart some sort of new translation wikiproject. I was thinking there should at least be some sort of translation help needed page for each language, so you could ask for help/proofreading if you needed it. If this is started, maybe we should messgae everyone who signed up as translators and ask them to put it on their watchlist, and notify wikiprojects. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

have you seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/es - this might be a good place to go to start some stubs and tag for translation. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I've set up a couple ways to categorize articles needing translation. These are all optional, so it should not make tagging any harder for newbies. There is the parameter fa=yes, the idea with this one is to ultimately phase out WP:ECHO. I also have set things up so they can be categorized by topic (after I noticed the french category has 9000 articles, the vast majority of which are geostubs). I made it so these topics can be different by language. So small languages don't bother at all with this, and big languages can have more and more categories as necessary. For now I have just set up french to have topic=geo and topic=bio. We'll see if we need more once AlbertHerring recategorizes his stubs into the geo category. If you plan to tag mass quantities of articles in any language let me know so I can set up topic=geo or whatever else is useful, so that the french situation doesn't happen again! Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

And BTW today I found that Rene Beaumont and Anden had been expanded - one by an IP and one by a new user (about 20 edits?). Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Kunming is quite impressive! Amazing, a 6-million-person city I've never heard of. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:24, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I know, it's crazy to think that 1 in 5 people in the planet are Chinese. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

VN

I can only piece together from what sounds like Chinese. I will look. --Mr Accountable (talk) 16:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Or was than an automatic computer-generated message? --Mr Accountable (talk) 16:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Please, show me a link of what you've been able to translate. --Mr Accountable (talk) 16:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, using the google translate I added some data to Hiep Hoa (district). I'm really not sure about the second sentence. One could get pretty far with this task using google translation. --Mr Accountable (talk) 17:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm interested, it depends on what "work mode" I find myself in. I just finished two weeks of spare time categorizing for most all the 71 districts of Kenya, as well as 1st level subdivs of Saudi Arabia, some for Egypt, and now 1st level capitals viz newly created Category:Regional capitals in Tanzania. I also get sidetracked by working for other Wikipediai, like Chinese provinces at pt, sets of Nigerian provinces, Liberian counties for zh, Peruvian, Mexican states for ko. It's like a working wikivacation or a computer bus-man's holiday. Not to mention getting used to Year of the Cow/Bull/Ox/Buffalo/Water Buffalo. Transit from Rat to Cow means getting over "jack in the beanstalk syndrome", and a concomitant sense of one continually selling the cow for a handful of beans, a sense that I suppose is common and will dwindle after a few weeks. Sorry, not trying to be weird, just spending too much quality time being thoughtful listening to very partially deciphered Kuala Lumpur Chinese pop radio on Shoutcast. --Mr Accountable (talk) 17:25, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not one to belabor, but year of the rat is kind of like enjoying Joe Pesci in Goodfellas, while Year of the Cow and Bull is kind of like Carla's ex-husband's wife on Cheers, or HBO's Entourage. It isn't necessarily an easy progression; I suppose Amy Winehouse or the Monty Python troupe could function as transitional figures, having the nature of both. Maybe the story of the origin of the Asian zodiac could help; the Buddha called all the animals and the cow was first, the rat was riding on the cow and jumped off and sprinted ahead just as they got to the riverbank where the Buddha was sitting; therefore the rat is the first and cow second, in the 12 year cycle.....Again not trying to be weird, just some of my film school education showing through. --Mr Accountable (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Rude silence

<crossposted, you guess where!> Sorry gents for the impolite silence to your messages on my page. RL, work and family are intruding on my wikitime significantly. When I do get online briefly very late at night, I'm finding account creation, my 2,000 Cambodian article watchlist, the Cambodian Wikiproject, my district expansion/DYK project and a massive backlog of ref errors and orphans, which I swear I will reduce, are eating up every minute I can spend on the wiki (and they are all behind schedule as well). This week the main Cambodia article has also finally been put up for WP:FAR, something I've been predicting and worrying about since 2007. Shit. I'm determined not to let it be de-listed. All this means I am neglecting my wiki correspondence badly. I'm usually logged into irc://freenode/wikipedia-en-accounts when I'm on wiki for account creation purposes (I'm not a big irc fan otherwise). It's not a bad forum for quick chats and a shout of 'Paxse' in the channel will always get my attention. I'm going to try to catch up on some of my partially expanded Banteay Meanchey districts on Sundays, perhaps expect some more interaction then :) Now back to finishing this damn report. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 07:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Church of Holy Salvation

I noticed that you put some pictutes in articles about Croatian castles. Can you please put a picture in the article "Church of Holy Salvation" if you can find it. You have some pictures of the church on the article page in external links. It is a church that looks like a castle, so I tought you might be interested. Please help me if you have some time.--Kebeta (talk) 09:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I meant this church (church name in Croatian: CRKVA SVETOG SPASA), for this article. How I can check does the picture on some internet page have a license for Creatuve COmmons Attribution to use on wikipedia, so that I can put it in the article without consequences. Sorry, if my english is not perfect. --Kebeta (talk) 16:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for Flickr page. I already expandes some of the castle articles you started, and will continue. I live in Croatia since 1998 and my interests is Medieval period, especially medieval arhitecture like castles and churches. Will try add a "Expand Croatian" tag where is needed. Feel free to correct my grammar in articles. Regards. --Kebeta (talk) 16:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Translation categories

I did tell you![11] The categories are customizable for each language individually so at the point where the technology catgory is ginormous I guess we could split it so there's a videogame subcategory if we wanted. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you want a building option? We'll probably have a fair number of building articles, so taht seems reasonable. For what language? Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I agree re the subcategory sorting. I had started doing that already but not everything is fixed yet. Japanese, French, Spanish, German, and Italian all now have

| geo = Geography
| gov = Government and politics
| culture = Culture
| hist = History
| sci = Science
| tech = Technology
| sport = Sports
| transport = Transportation
| struct = Building and structure

so just use topic=whatever (e.g. topic=struct) to sort the articles. The categories haven't been created yet but I guess we can just do that as we go. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

yeah, i'll fix that in a little while. now i'm doing some misc cleanup and trying to FINALLY FINISH reviewing all prior translation requests. what an enormous mess of a system that was, they were literally scattered everywhere about the encyclopedia. tracking them all down and fixing them has been a huge pain. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:34, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah half the problem too is that things would get translated, but no one would ever update the WP:TRANSLATION page, and so many of them have already been done and are mixed in with ones that need doing. At least with the tags one would think that people will take them off afterward. Oh and check this out1! Incredible! Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so there's only one thing left until I can tag the whole old translation system historical. I need to stub all the articles (or all that I can) that couldn't be tagged because they didn't exist. The list is here. Most languages google translate does well enough that I can write two sentences about the topic of the article easily. Chinese and Japanese, sometimes not. Want to help out? When we've done all we can I'll dump the remainder on wikiproject pages so native speakers can help out. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Yep. Nothing for the talk page is needed really. If you do a translation you should put a translation banner there. Or if you want you can add wikiproject tags, but i'm not doing that. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about tagging the translation pages for deletion. There are hundreds of them. I'm just going to change the template that's at the top of all of them, to indicate that they are historical and to follow the new process. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

but really there are probably 2000 or so of them. who knows. maybe up to 5000. no admin has the time to delete them all.... these 100 or so that are left are just the tip of the iceberg. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh Blof

Seeing you on my watchlist made me realise how much I missed you, pal!!! LOL!!

This guy seems to be obsessed. He does not understand anything about the policy, and still pretends to be Mr "Know All". We have discussed it so thoroughly during FAC, and consensus was finally reached (based on policy). Both you and I try to explain him that these images don't violate policy. I now even cited Wikipedia:NFCC#8 on the talk page, the leading criterion which makes these images acceptable.

Apart from that, so many FACs use non-free images even without discussing it at FAC, and Zinta who had it so well discussed with a great result of many users supporting the images' inclusion, must bear the brunt of someone's paranoia.

See his contribs page. He made about 20 edits this month - and all of them on the Zinta page. He's a real *bip* *biiiiiiip* *biiiiiiiiiiiiiiip*.

Thank you. Shahid • ^Talk2me 19:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry - didn't realize I was that valuable to you. :-)

This week has been utter insanity - I had to clean up someone else's mess last week, and that knocked the whole of the past week into a cocked hat. I only managed to come up for air on Friday; fortunately, barring disaster it looks like I'm pretty well caught-up for next week. If you're really curious as to the governmental machinations, I can tell you more off of talk pages.

How are you doing? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. I've just finished up writing articles for some of the artists I photographed a couple of weeks ago - Gaetano Monti turned into quite the sticky wicket. Let me go put in one load of laundry, then I have a couple more images to upload before I'll AWB some stuff.

And perhaps I will vent to you, just a bit. :-) Stay tuned... --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

They are indeed - the NGA has a fine collection. I could wander there for hours on end. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:47, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

That's something I'll keep in mind for a while down the road - I've got a couple of tasks to take care of more near-term, including some AWBing tonight. We'll see in a couple of weeks. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 00:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Mali is done. I have a few other things to take care of with AWB, which I'll do in a bit. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 03:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Not sure AWB can be programmed for that - I'll be happy to help out manually, though. Let me have a quick look and see what I can do. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that needs to be manual. Just give me some names and I'll start with the moving. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Like this, you mean? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Right - I'm on it. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

OK - Trà Vinh I moved, Cái Bè I did not. What do you think for those? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, will do. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's frustrating. But then, the number of things from all over that need to be included is frustrating. Even certain aspects of American coverage on here are sadly lacking. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:21, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, it's done. What next? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Right, I'll start from the bottom again, then. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I've already started from the bottom, so... Might as well continue that, then. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Riiiiiiiiiight. Sorry about that - on the plus side, I haven't caught any more of those yet. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I quite agree. Tell you what - once I'm done with these districts, I'll move the provinces - that work? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. Provinces are going to need requested moves, it looks like. OK - I've got some AWB stuff to do in a bit. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:07, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

OK. I'll look at those in a bit. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, have fun. I've done a few more moves - I'll do some more after dinner, most likely. Unless something decent's on TV. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Algal stubs

I found your last post on my talk page somewhat discourteous. Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 22:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Well what does it take for you to respond to the original question? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:42, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Spare time. Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 22:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)