Template talk:Did you know/Approved/week-2
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Marcia Moore (actress)
[edit]- ... that despite her father wanting her to become a music teacher, Marcia Moore ran away to Chicago to star in silent film, vaudeville, cabaret, and burlesque performances?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Western Air Lines Flight 636
- Comment: Article was moved from draftspace to mainspace with this edit.
SilverserenC 18:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Very interesting! Good to go. Skyshiftertalk 20:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Xu Xinfu
[edit]- ... that Xu Xinfu adapted the fictional Chinese-American detective Charlie Chan for Chinese audiences?
- Source: "Charlie Chan in China". The Chinese Mirror: A Journal of Chinese Film History. May 2008. Archived from the original on 8 July 2011. Retrieved 18 April 2011.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: The article is interesting and well-sourced, but I highly recommend the promoter change the hook to "... that Xu Xinfu adapted the fictional Chinese-American detective Charlie Chan for Chinese audiences?" I think most readers will be unfamiliar with the character, as I myself was until I read both articles. Yue🌙 04:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Fair. I forget that I've been reading about 20s/30s cinema for a while, and that Charlie Chan isn't as well known to the average reader. Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
The Gust of Wind (Renoir)
[edit]- ... that The Gust of Wind is Renoir's attempt to paint air?
- Source: Source: Munro, Jane (2003). French Impresssionists. Cambridge University Press. pp. 2-3, 40-1. ISBN 9780521813266. OCLC 51848366. Quote: This painting was probably executed around 1872. The scene is thought to be near Saint-Cloud, or perhaps elsewhere in the Ile-de-France; however, as its title suggests, Renoir’s aim was less to record a recognizable tract of countryside than to register that most unpaintable of elements: air."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/White Noise (Will Wood song); Template:Did you know nominations/Talli Osborne; Template:Did you know nominations/48th Hong Kong International Film Festival
Viriditas (talk) 01:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC).
- Approve, a well-done and well-sourced page. My only concern is that the image is too small and should be enlarged in order to highlight both the page topic and a good example of Renoir's unique style. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Al-Shaykh Badr
[edit]- ... that al-Shaykh Badr was the hometown of Salih al-Ali, who led the Alawite revolt against the French in Syria?
- Source: Winter, Stefan (2016). A History of the 'Alawis: From Medieval Aleppo to the Turkish Republic, p. 245
- Reviewed: Socialist Party of India (1955)
Al Ameer (talk) 17:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Al Ameer, review follows: article more than 5x expanded from 22 October; largely from a single, reliable source; other sources used look to be reliable also; hook fact is interesting, mentioned in article and checks out (as far as I can tell from my rudimentary French) to the source (albeit the online preview gave me a different page number, I am assuming you may be working from a printed copy?); happy to AGF there are no copyright violations (principal source is in French, others offline, Earwig check is fine); a QPQ has been carried out. My only query is with the "Climate" section, I wasn't sure how I verify the information in it, a search for "Al-Shaykh Badr" at the cited source of "Climate-data.org" doesn't yield anything - Dumelow (talk) 07:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: I removed the table altogether, it's relatively pointless and I also could not verify (I did not add the table). Al Ameer (talk) 18:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's fine - Dumelow (talk) 19:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Shunten
[edit]... that the myth of Shunten, the legendary first king of Chūzan, was used to justify the 1609 Invasion of Ryukyu?
- Source: Smits, Gregory (2019). Maritime Ryukyu, 1050–1650. Honolulu: University of Hawai'i Press. 154–155
- ALT1: ... that the myth of Shunten, the legendary first king of Chūzan, was used to justify the 1872 annexation of Okinawa?
- Source: Itō, Yūshi (2011). "The Legend of Minamoto no Tametomo: Controversy and Connections Between Ryūkyūan/Okinawan and Japanese Histories". In Edmond, Jacob; Johnson, Henry; Leckie, Jacqueline (eds.). Recentering Asia: Histories, Encounters, Identities. Leiden: Brill. doi:10.1163/9789004212619_006. ISBN 9781906876258., pp. 90–100.
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 00:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Generalissima, this article was an interesting read! Article long enough, well-sourced, copyvio-free, and presentable. This nomination is just within the 7 day deadline. QPQ done. Hook is interesting and sourced (offline accepted in good faith).
- I can't help but think a hook along the lines of: "... that the myth of Shunten, the legendary first king of Chūzan, was used to justify the 1872 annexation of Okinawa?" would be more interesting, if just because it shows how late this myth still had currency (I also suspect front page readers would be more familiar with Okinawa than Ryukyu). I'll leave it up to your judgement if you want to include such an alt. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 18:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Tenpop421: That's actually a good point. I'll use the recommended alt hook, with Itō, Yūshi (2011). "The Legend of Minamoto no Tametomo: Controversy and Connections Between Ryūkyūan/Okinawan and Japanese Histories". In Edmond, Jacob; Johnson, Henry; Leckie, Jacqueline (eds.). Recentering Asia: Histories, Encounters, Identities. Leiden: Brill. doi:10.1163/9789004212619_006. ISBN 9781906876258., pp. 90–100 as the source. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 18:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nice, I've added the alt. Good to go. Tenpop421 (talk) 18:34, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Oun Yao-ling
[edit]- ... that the weightlifter Oun Yao-ling was asked to compete in the South African Games, but the opportunity was swiftly rescinded once the organisers found out he was Chinese?
- Source: Blutstein, Harry (2021). Games of Discontent: Protests, Boycotts, and Politics at the 1968 Mexico Olympics. Montreal: McGill–Queen's University Press. pp. 34–35. ISBN 978-0-2280-0675-6. Retrieved 2024-10-26 – via Google Books.
This source verifies that Oun Yao-ling is also known as Günter Wu. The book notes: "To assure the white population that South Africa was held in high regard by the sporting world, it was important to have a large contingent of international competitors at the Bloemfontein Games. To this end, nearly 100 invitations went out to foreign athletes; white athletes. There were, however, some embarrassing slip-ups. Inadvertently, the organisers invited German weightlifter Günter Wu, who was Chinese, and New Zealand runner Kevin Ross, who was Maori. Both invitations were promptly withdrawn when this unforgivable mistake was discovered. In the months running up to the South Africa Games, Brutus lobbied athletes, asking them not to participate."
- ALT1: ... that the weightlifter Oun Yao-ling was asked to compete in the South African Games, but the opportunity was swiftly rescinded once the organisers found out he was Chinese, not white? Source: Same source as the first hook.
- ALT2: ... that Oun Yao-ling, who did not speak Mandarin Chinese, represented Taiwan at the 1964 Summer Olympics? Source: Ji, Cheng-jin 吉承進 (1964-10-12). "項耀林 惡補國語 拜師鐵人" [Oun Yao-ling Intensifies Mandarin Studies with the Help of a Mentor]. United Daily News (in Chinese). p. 3.
This source verifies that he competed at the 1964 Summer Olympics. The article notes: "不會說國語的我國舉重選手項耀林,最近幾天困擾極了,因為每當隊伍集合時,他無法聽懂口令,常常有不知適從的感覺。"
From Google Translate: "Oun Yao-ling, a Taiwanese weightlifter who cannot speak Mandarin, has been extremely troubled in recent days because whenever the team gathers, he cannot understand the commands and often feels at a loss."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rich Romer
Cunard (talk) 07:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC).
- Recently expanded, long enough, solidly written. Verified by source, QPQ done. The article is good. I think ALT0 is the best, but ALT1 is perhaps clearer on why it was rescinded so maybe we should go with that. ALT2 is also very interesting, but I think slightly less than the first 2.
- Unrelated to DYK eligibility, but does any source say what language he spoke if it wasn't Mandarin? I am curious. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review, PARAKANYAA (talk · contribs)! I didn't find any sources that directly confirmed what language he spoke. But he was born in Germany in 1940, his mother is from Germany, he studied at the German university Stuttgart Technology University of Applied Sciences, and he was living in Germany in 1963 right before the 1964 Summer Olympics. So it is high likely that his native language is German. Cunard (talk) 09:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 Talerddig train collision
[edit]- ... that the 2024 Talerddig train collision was the first collision in Wales between trains since 1991?
- Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4glg9gzrdjo "The last train crash in Wales happened in 1991 inside the Severn Tunnel which allows travel between England and Wales."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail
- Comment: I thought I was the first one to create this train accident that just happened in Wales, as seen over here
JuniperChill (talk) 20:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: The merge issue will need to be resolved before this can be approved — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MaxnaCarta: that merge template is about history merging, not the one you would expect. JuniperChill (talk) 12:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill: ah, I see. Is that template not a barrier to passing? I wouldn’t have thought it’s okay for an article to appear on the main page while it has some sort of call to action template. Also, is your username referencing the Juniper Inn from Hotel Hell? — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MaxnaCarta: The reason why a history merge is being presented is because this page was (possibly) cut and pasted from Draft:Talerddig rail accident. And that will be accepted/declined well before it hits the main page anyway. And with regards where my username came from, I got it from my favourite plant. I also wanted to add a little chill to my username. I never watched Hotel Hell or even heard of it, but heard Gordon Ramsay. JuniperChill (talk) 16:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill: Consider the antepenultimate version of the draft, i.e. that before it was blanked and redirected, and also consider the version of the article as it stood at the same moment. There are significant differences; it is clear to me that there was no cut-and-paste. They were started independently, both in mainspace, although the one that is presently in draftspace was moved there by Discospinster (talk · contribs). I don't think that a histmerge would be useful. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redrose64 is correct. There was no cut and paste involved, therefore there is no need for a history merge. I've removed the template. Mjroots (talk) 09:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's good to hear. Now we'll have to wait for the original reviewer to approve this. I would also note (as seen from my comment at the top) that I also created my own version of this crash, but since I realised one was already made, I redirected that. That's why I normally do DYKs on articles I created and don't really do drive-by nominations (in fact, most DYKs are self-noms). JuniperChill (talk) 11:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- We are all good to go, merge issue resolved — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's good to hear. Now we'll have to wait for the original reviewer to approve this. I would also note (as seen from my comment at the top) that I also created my own version of this crash, but since I realised one was already made, I redirected that. That's why I normally do DYKs on articles I created and don't really do drive-by nominations (in fact, most DYKs are self-noms). JuniperChill (talk) 11:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redrose64 is correct. There was no cut and paste involved, therefore there is no need for a history merge. I've removed the template. Mjroots (talk) 09:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill: Consider the antepenultimate version of the draft, i.e. that before it was blanked and redirected, and also consider the version of the article as it stood at the same moment. There are significant differences; it is clear to me that there was no cut-and-paste. They were started independently, both in mainspace, although the one that is presently in draftspace was moved there by Discospinster (talk · contribs). I don't think that a histmerge would be useful. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MaxnaCarta: The reason why a history merge is being presented is because this page was (possibly) cut and pasted from Draft:Talerddig rail accident. And that will be accepted/declined well before it hits the main page anyway. And with regards where my username came from, I got it from my favourite plant. I also wanted to add a little chill to my username. I never watched Hotel Hell or even heard of it, but heard Gordon Ramsay. JuniperChill (talk) 16:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill: ah, I see. Is that template not a barrier to passing? I wouldn’t have thought it’s okay for an article to appear on the main page while it has some sort of call to action template. Also, is your username referencing the Juniper Inn from Hotel Hell? — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
@MaxnaCarta: You're using the wrong checkmark for DYK. Its supposed to be {{subst:DYKtick}}
JuniperChill (talk) 22:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Gilbert Wilson (geologist)
[edit]- ... that geologist Gilbert Wilson declared his favourite expression was “I’m in love” in his McGill yearbook in 1924?
- Source: Source – Old McGill 1924 yearbook (https://yearbooks.mcgill.ca/viewbook.php?&campus=downtown&book_id=1924#page/101/mode/1up) 'Favourite expression "I'm in love"
- ALT1: ... that when geologist Gilbert Wilson went to school he was the fifth Wilson, so was known as "Quintus"? Source: Source – offline obituary '[he] went to school in Windermere where as one of five attending Wilsons he was known as Quintus' - source (ref 1) JGR and JC (1986). "Dr G Wilson (1899–1986)". Annual Report, Geological Society of London: 34–35
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Georgina Sutton
Chaiten1 (talk) 20:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC).
- Hello Chaiten1, I'll have a look at this nomination and I'll post my review soon. One short initial observation: the last source (Who's Who) is unreliable and should be replaced, see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. Phlsph7 (talk) 16:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you - fixed! Chaiten1 (talk) 17:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Thanks for the adjustment. The article was created on 22 October 2024. It has a readable prose size of 6461 characters. Every paragraph is sourced. WP:EARWIG shows no copyvios. QPQ was done. The language of the article is neutral.
I'm not sure that the article should include the sentence with the quotes from the McGill yearbook since this sounds to me like trivia. Do comparable articles do that or do secondary sources discuss them? If the sentence is removed then we could not use the ALT0, which would leave us with ALT1. ALT1 is cited and interesting. I would make a slight grammatical adjustment:
ALT1a: ... that when geologist Gilbert Wilson went to school he was the fifth Wilson, so he was known as "Quintus"?
I think it would be better to move the section "Family" before the section "Awards and recognition" but this is optional. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you; good point about trivia, I will edit this and am very happy with ALT1a Chaiten1 (talk) 17:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC) All fixed now! Phlsph7 Chaiten1 (talk) 18:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good, approve ALT1a. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Helliwells Ltd
[edit]- ... that British aerospace engineering firm Helliwells Ltd (advertisement pictured) began as a maker of fireplace accessories?
- Source: "Helliwells Ltd was an engineering company, which was founded at Fountain Street, Dudley, in 1889 manufacturing fire irons and fire guards and the like" from: Smith, Ron (2004). British Built Aircraft: Central & Eastern England. Tempus. p. 204. ISBN 978-0-7524-3162-8.
- ALT1: ... that Helliwells Ltd (advertisement pictured) produced a motor scooter that was used by British police? Source: "Swallow 'Gadabout' motor scooter, 1948. The Swallow Coachbuilding Co. Ltd was bought in 1945 by the Helliwell Group, an aircraft servicing and repair company. They started to produce the Gadabout in 1946 ... was confirmed successful when adopted by public bodies including the Staffordshire Constabulary." from "Gadabout Motor Scooter". Science Museum Group Collection. Retrieved 10 October 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/James Smart (police officer)
Dumelow (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC).
- Article moved to mainspace on same date as nomination. No issues with article writing, earwig & citations, and it is long enough. AGF on both hook sources. QPQ done. Good to go, nice work! B3251(talk) 03:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Henry Smith (moneylender)
[edit]- ... that a charity founded by Henry Smith (memorial pictured) in 1628 now has assets of over £1 billion?
- Source: "The Charity was founded in 1628 by Henry Smith, a businessman working in the City of London." from: "About Us". Henry Smith Charity. Retrieved 16 October 2024. and: net assets listed at Charity Commission for 2023 are £1.26 billion see: "The Henry Smith Charity - Charity 230102". Charity Commission. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
Dumelow (talk) 11:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC).
- Fascinating article. Long enough, well-written and recent enough. Hook is very nice and properly supported by an inline citation to a reliable source. QPQ is done and the image has the correct license tag. Should be good to go. Yakikaki (talk) 20:25, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Coincidentally, I realised I just did a QPQ by reviewing an article about a Smith so I can do my own nomination of an article about a Smith. Yakikaki (talk) 20:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Abortion in Equatorial Guinea
[edit]- ... that Equatorial Guinea's abortion law is one of only eleven (as of 2022) that says a woman's spouse must approve of her receiving an abortion?
- Source: [1] The 10 other countries that require spousal consent are Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Equatorial Guinea, the United Arab Emirates, Taiwan, Indonesia, Turkey and Morocco, according to the Center for Reproductive Rights.
— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 20:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new enough, having been moved to mainspace on October 22. QPQ done. No image. Hook is very interesting and inline cited to the Washington Post, which is RS. Article is long enough and NPOV. Earwig indicates low likelihood of copyvio. Looks good! Chetsford (talk) 02:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Sack of Delhi (1757)
[edit]- ... that during the Afghan sacking of Delhi, over 30 to as high as 300 million rupees worth of goods were plundered?
- Source: Ahmad Shah Durrani: Father of Modern Afghanistan - Gandha Singh pg. 186
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Noorullah (talk) 16:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Let's clean up the hook, but otherwise good to go. Congrats on the GA.. ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
@ThaesOfereode: So, something like this; "that during the Afghan sacking of Delhi, between 30 and 300 million rupees worth of goods were plundered?" Noorullah (talk) 01:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Noorullah21: Yep, that works for me. Approved. ThaesOfereode (talk) 02:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Rust Red Hills
[edit]- ... that Rust Red Hills is being sold to renovate student housing, a court-approved move that museum associations say violates the ethics of deaccessioning?
- Source: Boucher, Brian (September 4, 2024). "A Court Approves Valparaiso University’s Controversial Plan to Sell Paintings From Brauer Museum Collection". Artnet. News. Quote: "The Brauer Museum of Art at Indiana's Valparaiso University has been at the center of controversy for a year and a half, as the school has moved to sell three valuable artworks from the museum’s collection to fund improvements to freshman dormitories. The paintings, by Frederic Edwin Church, Childe Hassam, and Georgia O'Keeffe, have been valued in the area of $20 million. Now, the Porter County Superior Court has approved of the university's plan, according to a court order dated August 29...The plan to sell the works was met with an outcry from many in the university community, a lawsuit filed by namesake founding director Richard Brauer, and condemnation of the sale in a joint statement issued by the leadership of the Association of Art Museum Directors, the American Alliance of Museums, the Association of Academic Museums and Galleries, and the Association of Art Museum Curators. "This remains a fundamental ethical principle of the museum field, one which all institutions are obligated to respect: in no event shall funds from deaccessioned works be used for anything other than support for a museum's collections, either through acquisitions or the direct care of works of art".
- Another source: Cui, Liya (September 4, 2024). "Indiana Court Allows Valparaiso University to Sell O'Keeffe Painting". Reuters. Quote: "An Indiana judge has ruled that Valparaiso University can sell a Georgia O'Keeffe and two other paintings...The private Lutheran university in Indiana last February announced its intention to sell the most valuable paintings in its Brauer Museum of Art collection, estimated to be worth $20 million in total, to fund a dormitory renovation...When a museum sells its artwork to raise funds, the money is typically used to acquire, store or preserve other works, according to guidelines established by the Association of Art Museum Directors."
- Older source that was published before the court approval: "Richardson, Kalia (March 10, 2023). "Its Georgia O'Keeffe Is Worth Millions. And Its Dorms Need Updating". The New York Times. Quote: "Schools typically court controversy when they announce they will sell artworks to raise funds, an act known as deaccessioning. Several sales have resulted in sanctions from art associations....Valparaiso's desire to pay for work on the dorms with proceeds from the paintings has received pushback...Valparaiso's announcement alarmed art associations because of a long-held principle among museums: Revenue from deaccessioned pieces should be used to acquire new works, not for operating costs...Four art associations issued a joint statement condemning Valparaiso and the idea that the works in the Brauer's collection were "disposable financial assets." One of the groups, the Association of Art Museum Directors, also told the museum’s director, Jonathan Canning, that if the university proceeded with the sale, it would consider censuring and sanctioning the museum."
Viriditas (talk) 23:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC).
- the article certainly new enough, long enough, and very well-sourced. Nominator has also reviewed enough. The hook is short enough, and touches on an interesting and ongoing issue. Cardofk (talk) 17:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Carl Smith (canoeing)
[edit]- ... that a canoe (pictured) designed by Carl Smith accompanied a circumnavigation of Earth in 1883–1885? Source: Source (in Swedish)
- ALT1: ... that Carl Smith has been called the "father of Swedish canoe sporting"? Source: Most easily accessible here (in Swedish)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Smith (moneylender)
Yakikaki (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC).
- Verified that the article is long enough, that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking, and that the hook is sourced in the article. Cunard (talk) 06:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I verified that both ALT0 and ALT1 are sourced in the article. The image in ALT0 is verified as having been released under CC BY 4.0 and would be a good image for the lead image slot. Cunard (talk) 06:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Yan Ruisheng
[edit]- ... that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured) was China's first full-length feature film?
- Source: Xiao, Zhiwei (1998). "Chinese Cinema". In Zhang, Yingjin; Xiao, Zhiwei (eds.). Encyclopedia of Chinese Film. New York, London: Routledge. pp. 3–30. ISBN 978-0-415-15168-9., among many others
- ALT1: ... that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured), China's first full-length feature film, was banned within two years? Source: Xiao, Zhiwei (2013). "Policing Film in Early Twentieth-Century China". In Rojas, Carlos; Chow, Eileen (eds.). The Oxford Handbook of Chinese Cinemas. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 452–471. doi:10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199765607.013.0025. ISBN 978-0-19-998331-5.
- ALT2: ... that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured), China's first full-length feature film, advertised its shooting in brothels? Source: Chen Jianhua (陈建华) (24 August 2021). 《阎瑞生》摄制与剧照之百年回观 [A Century-long Review of the Filming and Stills of "Yan Ruisheng"]. The Paper (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 22 October 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/George Frederick Cumming Smillie
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Article looks good. Nice work. A minor point: @Crisco 1492: Is it appropriate to say in the hook that it was China's first full-length feature film
when the article seems to be a little less certain (Yan Ruisheng is commonly identified as the first Chinese-made full-length feature film
/ has been considered China's first full-length feature film
)? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi BeanieFan11. That's me hedging my bets, because I distrust "first" claims even when multiple sources say "is", explicitly. I've changed the article to say "is". — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Probably fine then. Though, if you're not completely certain you could change the hook to something like e.g. "that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured) is considered China's first full-length feature film?" or "that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured), considered China's first full-length feature film, was banned within two years? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah... only the sources don't have that level of uncertainty. I should have just gone with "is" from the get-go. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Probably fine then. Though, if you're not completely certain you could change the hook to something like e.g. "that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured) is considered China's first full-length feature film?" or "that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured), considered China's first full-length feature film, was banned within two years? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Castle Knob
[edit]- ... that the mediaeval Castle Knob in Derbyshire, England, was the site of a Cold War nuclear monitoring station?
- Source: Date of foundation is unknown but likely 12th century and certainly before 14th century: "there is no documentary record for this site before the fourteenth century, and the date of construction is unknown. Nevertheless, from the present remains it appears to have been a motte-and-bailey construction and would be consistent with those constructed during King Stephen's reign" from: Boston, Hannah (2024). Lordship and Locality in the Long Twelfth Century. Boydell & Brewer. p. 82. ISBN 978-1-78327-783-4. and " Excluded from the scheduling are all perimeter fencing, the sheds and stable within the area of the north bailey, and the underground MOD installation in the central bailey although the ground beneath all these features except the MOD installation is included." from: "Castle Gresley motte and bailey castle, Castle Gresley - 1011209". Historic England. Retrieved 18 October 2024.; the plaque on the site makes it clear this is a Royal Observer Corps monitoring post
- ALT1: ... that a settlement in Derbyshire, England, is named after a Knob? Source: "The Gresleys, more unusually, seem to have built a castle at their caput. The name is preserved in the current name of Castle Gresley, and in a mound, still approximately 20 feet high, known locally as Castle Knob, that lies about a mile from the remains of Gresley Priory" from: Boston, Hannah (2024). Lordship and Locality in the Long Twelfth Century. Boydell & Brewer. p. 82. ISBN 978-1-78327-783-4. see also the plaque on the site
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jabulani Mabuza
- Comment: There is probably some fun to be had with hooks around a "4m-high Knob" or similar but beyond me at the moment
Dumelow (talk) 13:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Epicgenius (talk) 15:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Shuah Khan
[edit]- ... that Shuah Khan became the first female Linux Foundation Fellow in 2019, joining Linus Torvalds and Greg Kroah-Hartman?
- ALT1: ... that Shuah Khan was the first woman fellow of the Linux Foundation and "signed off" on a patch recommending inclusive terminology in the Linux kernel?
- Sources: https://www.zdnet.com/article/shuah-khan-becomes-the-third-linux-foundation-fellow/ + https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/7/7/9
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ontology
paul2520 💬 13:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review. Just noting that you could use the new image for a hook image if you like. Bremps... 07:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: I added the photo to the DYK template as per the suggestion above. The QPQ was done by nominator paul2520. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Soviet atrocities committed against prisoners of war during World War II
[edit]- ... that during World War II, Soviet atrocities against prisoners of war included the murder of tens of thousands of Polish and hundreds of thousands of Axis (mostly German) soldiers? Source: https://www.google.co.kr/books/edition/From_Incarceration_to_Repatriation/8t3zEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Overmans+German+POWs+death+toll+million&pg=PA2&printsec=frontcover and https://books.google.com/books?id=PZXvUuvfv-oC&dq=Soviet+invasion+of+Poland+1939&pg=PA20 , among others
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Looks great! Very good work, thank you. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm concerned about fundamental issues with POV and NOR with this article, please see my comment on talk. In terms of the hook, although "murder" is probably an appropriate word when dealing with the (unsanctioned) executions of enemy combatants by Soviet forces, it's not clear whether it's appropriate to describe the high mortality rate caused largely by the dire humanitarian situation in the Soviet Union (which also caused the deaths of many Soviet civilians in this same era). Hooks are expected to be neutral, but this one is one-sided. Multiple sources are cited and it's unclear where the comparison cited in the hook is made, or whether it's a calculation by Wikipedia editors. Overall I would not pass this DYK. (t · c) buidhe 06:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
1939 Liechtenstein general election
[edit]- ... that in the 1939 Liechtenstein general election, no actual voting took place?
TheBritinator (talk) 15:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Always nice to see small countries like Liechtenstein get decent coverage. Article looks good as a newly-promoted GA. AGF on the hook source. Appears good to go! BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Every Night (Hannah Diamond song)
[edit]- ... that "Every Night", released ten years ago today, was called "the smartest dumb music out there"?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Marcia Moore (actress)
- Comment: For November 24, 2024, if possible.
Skyshiftertalk 19:34, 27 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Great hook! Might be a good candidate for the last/quirky hook. Article is well-sourced with online references; I verified the claim in the hook. Prose is neutral and well-worded; Earwig shows no copyvio. If I had to offer a minor critique, there's a bit of redundancy in the first paragraph of the Composition section: described
is used twice in a row, then compared
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two times after that, to attribute critic opinions. Perhaps the word choice could be varied a bit (eg using "called it", "labeled it", or "noted its production was similar to"). Nonetheless, the article is certainly DYK level already even without those edits! Frostly (talk) 07:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Interstate 59 in Alabama
[edit]- ... that in 2018, the I-59 and I-65 interchange in Birmingham, Alabama (Malfunction Junction) carried 160,000 vehicles instead of 80,000 as it was intended to hold?
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NoobThreePointOh (talk) 13:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC).
- Length, date, hook ok. No QPQ needed. Close paraphrase not found. Ideally "Malfunction Junction" should carry quotation marks. --Soman (talk) 10:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Soman. I've added quotation marks to the title of that paragraph in the article. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Boxheim Documents
[edit]- ... that in 1931, Werner Best drafted for the Nazi Party the plans for a coup?
- Source: Press and Politics in the Weimar Republic. OUP Oxford. pp. 186–187.
- ALT1: ... that under a Nazi plan for a coup, Jews were to be deprived of food rations? Source: https://www.jta.org/archive/jews-to-be-starved-out-if-hitlerists-come-to-power-boxheim-documents-were-authentic-official-statem
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Jean Po (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC).
- The article was made on the 25th, so is new enough. At many times the required length, it is long enough. The article reads neutrally and properly uses in-line citations. The copyvio detector finds nothing outside of explicit quotes in the article. Both hooks are interesting and cited in-line and utilized properly from the listed sources. The suggested image is in the public domain and visibly identifiable. No QPQ needs to be done. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 01:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Lily Golden
[edit]- ... that Soviet academic Lily Golden, born to an interracial couple from the United States but unable to return there due to racism, finally reunited with her relatives there in the 1980s? Source: Bertha Golden and Lily had planned to return to United States, but due to World War II and Bertha’s lingering fears of racism in the United States, they never left Uzbekistan. + "I am very happy, not only because this is the first time I met some of the Goldens and Bialeks, but because I think this is very historical for blacks and Jews to meet like this," said Golden
- ALT1: ... that Soviet academic Lily Golden researched Abkhazians of African descent and contemporary Black music despite her academic research being ideologically controlled? Source: Every effort was made to direct Golden's scholarship into proper ideological channels and to frustrate her dissertation on the cultural contributions of African music ... she found avenues and loopholes by which she could conduct independent research on the little-known native black population of Abkhazia as well as on officially disapproved forms of modern black music.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chiu Yuh-chuan
- Comments: While someone else moved this to mainspace, it was only because I submitted it myself in AFC, so I'm naming myself as the mover.
ミラP@Miraclepine 18:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: This does have promise. It's new, of sufficient length, neutral, and well-sourced without plagiarism. However, I do feel the hooks could be rewritten to be clearer and more concise to be more interesting to a broad audience. Lazman321 (talk) 21:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Lazman321: I added what should be enough clarity, but this is the clearest and shortest I could do without losing their hookiness.
- ALT0A: ... that Soviet academic Lily Golden, born to an interracial couple from the United States, finally reunited with her relatives there decades after being unable to return due to racism? Source: Same as ALT0
- ALT0B: ... that academic Lily Golden, born to an American interracial couple, finally reunited with her American relatives decades after being unable to leave the Soviet Union due to racism? Source: Same as ALT0
- ALT1A: ... that Lily Golden researched "officially disapproved" genres of contemporary Black music despite ideological restrictions to her research in the Soviet Union? Source: Same as ALT1
- ALT1B: ... that Lily Golden researched contemporary Black music despite ideological restrictions to her research in the Soviet Union? Source: Same as ALT1
- ALT1C: ... that Soviet academic Lily Golden researched "officially disapproved" genres of contemporary Black music despite ideological restrictions to her research? Source: Same as ALT1
- ALT1D: ... that Soviet academic Lily Golden researched contemporary Black music despite ideological restrictions to her research? Source: Same as ALT1
- Hope that help, ミラP@Miraclepine 23:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'm in favor of ALT0B and ALT1C. Lazman321 (talk) 01:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Light Vessel 95
[edit]- ... that Light Vessel 95 is now a recording studio?
- Source: "A stunning lightship called Lightship 95 moored next to the lighthouse since 2013 is now a floating recording studio. Artists including Lana Del Ray, Ed Sheeran, and Bastille have recorded here." from: Elvery, Martin (19 March 2023). "London's 'forgotten' lighthouse where one song will play on repeat until 2999". My London. Retrieved 22 October 2024.
- ALT1: ... that Ed Sheeran, Lana Del Ray and Bastille have all recorded aboard Light Vessel 95? Source: as above
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/National Gingerbread House Competition
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Overall: Looks great, both hooks equally interesting in my book. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 21:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Symonds St Public Conveniences and Former Tram Shelter
[edit]- ... that the first standalone women's toilets (pictured) in Auckland, New Zealand, were converted into being a male-only facility during the Second World War?
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TarnishedPathtalk 14:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC).
- TarnishedPath Article looks good and no copyvios. QPQ not needed. Image free. Although the hook should be changed to "Auckland, New Zealand," to comply with MOS:GEOLINK. ―Panamitsu (talk) 22:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Panamitsu, I've made the change to the hook. TarnishedPathtalk 23:39, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Herbert Smith (mineralogist)
[edit]- ... that in 1927, museum administrator Herbert Smith hired a special train so that civil servants could watch a total solar eclipse in North Yorkshire?
- Source: [2] ‘he arranged a special train to take members (of the society of civil servants) and other civil servants to Richmond, Yorkshire, to view the total eclipse of the sun in 1927’
- ALT1: ... that gemmologist Herbert Smith had two minerals and a wallaby named after him? Source: Sources – herbertsmithite [3] 'named for GF Herbert Smith' smithite - [4] 'named for G F Herbert Smith] Herbert’s rock-wallaby (Petrogale herberti Thomas, O. 1926. On various animals obtained during Capt. Wilkin's expedition in Australia. Annals and Magazine of Natural History 9 17: 627 [June 1926]) ‘named in honour of G.F. Herbert Smith Assistant Secretary of the Museum’ (offline reference)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/E-Defense
Chaiten1 (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Chaiten1, review follows: article more than 5x expanded from 25 October and is well written; sources used are good with inline citations throughout; I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing; hooks are interesting and largely check out to sources cited (I don't have access to the wallaby one but it is verifiable elsewhere eg here, the national archives link isn't working for me at the moment but I have supplemented it in the article with the Nature ref you've provided here); a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me. This is a solid traditional encyclopaedia article, really nice to see - Dumelow (talk) 08:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Hotel Marseilles
[edit]- ... that some occupants of New York City's Hotel Marseilles had never had a private room before staying there? Source: Helmreich, William B. (July 5, 2017). Against All Odds. Routledge. p. 31
- ALT1: ... that for some Holocaust survivors, their first-ever private room was at New York City's Hotel Marseilles? Source: Helmreich, William B. (July 5, 2017). Against All Odds. Routledge. p. 31
- ALT2: ... that New York City's Hotel Marseilles, once a shelter for Holocaust survivors, later became affordable housing for the elderly? Source: Director, Roger (June 8, 1981). "Budget cuts may give her new life an old ending". New York Daily News. p. 65
- ALT3: ... that New York City's Hotel Marseilles, once home to Sara Roosevelt and Dorothy Parker, later became a refugee shelter and affordable housing for the elderly? Source: Silverstein, Andrew (August 3, 2023). "just like Jewish refugees did after WWII". The Forward
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KIXE-TV
- Comment: I can come up with more hooks later.
Epicgenius (talk) 15:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC).
- Interesting building and history, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Before going for GA perhaps check for repetitions (the building, also). The image is licensed and a great illustration! None of the hooks is impossible. I prefer ALT2, but I think the "later" serves little purpose ;) - The "private rooms" of the first two are said by one writer to be for "some", - that's a bit too weak for my taste. I think "Holocaust" will create more interest than the specific people of ALT3. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Marina Kondratyeva2
[edit]... that when Marina Kondratyeva appeared as Giselle (pictured) with the Bolshoi Ballet at the Metropolitan Opera in 1962, the headline of the New York Times said that she excelled in the title role?Source: [5]- Reviewed: Hotel Marseilles
- Comment: there was a previous failed nom
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- A new hook will probably be needed here as the current hook probably does not meet WP:DYKINT. The rationale is the same as the previous nomination: the hook is too complicated, has too many details, and is not a spectacular hook. My suggestion would probably to re-propose ALT1 and ALT4 from the original nomination due to meeting the guidelines better (much more direct to the point, thus meeting WP:DYKTRIM). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- How about leaving the review to someone else? Perhaps not everybody will agree with you about being mentioned in a headline of the NYT, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the hook does arguably fail both DYKINT and DYKTRIM. Yes the NYT is prestigious, but a hook about a person being praised for doing their job doesn't really work as a hooky hook. It would be like having a hook on DYK saying "DYK that Lionel Messi was praised in the press for his performance during the World Cup final?" Yes a good accomplishment, but not necessarily what DYK is looking for. The other, probably more salient point here, is DYKTRIM: the hooks has several details that may distract from the main point of the hook (that she was praised for her role). DYKTRIM states
don't be afraid to trim hooks of extraneous information and clauses.
Even if DYKINT is subjective, DYKTRIM is less so. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)- For example, ALT0 could be simplified to simply "... that a New York Times headline praised Marina Kondratyeva's 1962 performance of Giselle with the Bolshoi Ballet?" Mostly the same idea but a lot shorter per WP:DYKTRIM. I'm still not a fan of that specific angle, but if you really want to go with that one, said wording may meet the guidelines better than the original. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are free to improve the hook, and I like the direction, but ALT0 could still play in Moscow, and the appearance of the complete Russian troupe on New York's most prestigious stage during the Cold War, which I found surprising to put it mildly, would be lost. Minor issues: I try to have the bolded subject in front, and not as a possessive, and I feel that "NYT headline" might be too sloppy for the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I really don't think ALT0 is going to work out or meet the guidelines, so I've struck it. I'm reproposing two of the hooks from the previous nomination below and offering them as options:
ALT0a that a New York Times headline praised Marina Kondratyeva's (pictured) 1962 performance of Giselle with the Bolshoi Ballet?- ALT1 ... that ballerina Marina Kondratyeva (pictured) was said to be "weightless, airy, poetic and spiritual"?
- ALT2 ... that ballerina Marina Kondratyeva (pictured) served the Bolshoi Ballet and its school for over 70 years?
- Is this okay with you, as a compromise? The choice in hook could be left to a different reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- You didn't answer my question: How about leaving the review to someone else? Remember? ALT0a: there's still no clue that this played in New York City (not Moscow), and not she is pictured, but she in the role. ALT1: That she appears as weightless and airy is well captured in the image, - no need to say it in quoted words. That she is a ballerina is also clearly visible. ALT2: The sheer length of time served doesn't say a word about that she was top both dancing and training, let alone being the chosen one for a U.S. tour.
ALT0b: ... that when Marina Kondratyeva appeared as Giselle (pictured) with the Bolshoi Ballet at the Metropolitan Opera in 1962, she was praised in the headline of the New York Times?ALT0c: ... that when Marina Kondratyeva appeared with the Bolshoi Ballet at the Metropolitan Opera in 1962, the headline of the New York Times said that she excelled as Giselle (pictured)?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)- The issue is WP:DYKTRIM and the hooks you proposed arguably do not meet it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- To answer your question directly: I already offered to let someone else review the nomination if you agreed to ALT0a, since it met DYKTRIM. Given I technically proposed ALT1 and ALT2, I couldn't have reviewed the nomination anyway (nor can Storye book since those were originally her proposals). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Floq, what do you think? I pinged you before to just take notice, but since, N. struck two more hooks that I believe are concise enough, and trimming further would reduce information. We claim "did you know", - saying that a ballerina was described as weightless is not passing knowledge, nor that someone served a notable organization for 70 years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- With the caveats that (a) I'm not terribly familiar with the social mores of DYK, and (b) I'm responding to a ping, so I'm not uninvolved:
- If I recall correctly, NLH brought GA to ANI because they felt GA's blurbs were routinely too long and not interesting. And received really strong negative feeback for doing so. It seems suboptimal for NLH to continue to review GA's blurbs and complain they are too long and not interesting. Surely there are enough reviewers for someone else to review?
- Interesting, in particular, is in the eye of the beholder, and NLH received feedback that their eye does not seem to match the overall DYK community.
- It appears a hook should be around 150-160 characters, with an absolute max of 200. This one is 163 or 195 (not sure if you folks count spaces). That seems within range if DYK typically doesn't count spaces, and maybe in need of a trim if DYK usually does.
- Since I'm semi-involved, I won't try to propose a shorter hook myself. The current one doesn't seem confusing, though, which I would think is more important than simple length.
- There might be other things I'm not aware of, so if I've ignored something the DYK community considers important, take this with a grain of salt.
- --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Floquenbeam, I believe that NLH was at ANI to ask for sanctions against Gerda, not to receive feedback on the hooks themselves. I remember a couple of times Gerda has asked at WT:DYK for opinions on "interestingness" of the hooks she favours—the response, I believe, can fairly be characterised as "uniformly negative". This discussion was the first to come to mind. On the other points, I agree with the first, disagree for the third—as short as possible is best, most are around 100—and am neutral on the fourth. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Floquenbeam, Unfortunately, Gerda is a challenging editor to work with productively at DYK review. She has a reputation at DYK for not receiving feedback well and exhibiting WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT and WP:BLUDGEONING behavior. She also has a reputation for proposing hooks that are too wordy, read awkwardly, and are crammed full of too many facts. She will often argue with reviewers when they have clearly communicated why her hooks fail DYK criteria. Unfortunately, these conversations have not exhibited a change in the type of hooks Gerda chooses to propose, and her nominations tend to have repeating points of conflict. I personally think some sort of forced agreement/sanction that Gerda will not argue with reviewers when they reject a hook for being too wordy, boring, and poorly constructed is not unreasonable under the circumstances.4meter4 (talk) 01:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Floquenbeam, I believe that NLH was at ANI to ask for sanctions against Gerda, not to receive feedback on the hooks themselves. I remember a couple of times Gerda has asked at WT:DYK for opinions on "interestingness" of the hooks she favours—the response, I believe, can fairly be characterised as "uniformly negative". This discussion was the first to come to mind. On the other points, I agree with the first, disagree for the third—as short as possible is best, most are around 100—and am neutral on the fourth. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- With the caveats that (a) I'm not terribly familiar with the social mores of DYK, and (b) I'm responding to a ping, so I'm not uninvolved:
- Floq, what do you think? I pinged you before to just take notice, but since, N. struck two more hooks that I believe are concise enough, and trimming further would reduce information. We claim "did you know", - saying that a ballerina was described as weightless is not passing knowledge, nor that someone served a notable organization for 70 years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I really don't think ALT0 is going to work out or meet the guidelines, so I've struck it. I'm reproposing two of the hooks from the previous nomination below and offering them as options:
- You are free to improve the hook, and I like the direction, but ALT0 could still play in Moscow, and the appearance of the complete Russian troupe on New York's most prestigious stage during the Cold War, which I found surprising to put it mildly, would be lost. Minor issues: I try to have the bolded subject in front, and not as a possessive, and I feel that "NYT headline" might be too sloppy for the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- For example, ALT0 could be simplified to simply "... that a New York Times headline praised Marina Kondratyeva's 1962 performance of Giselle with the Bolshoi Ballet?" Mostly the same idea but a lot shorter per WP:DYKTRIM. I'm still not a fan of that specific angle, but if you really want to go with that one, said wording may meet the guidelines better than the original. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the hook does arguably fail both DYKINT and DYKTRIM. Yes the NYT is prestigious, but a hook about a person being praised for doing their job doesn't really work as a hooky hook. It would be like having a hook on DYK saying "DYK that Lionel Messi was praised in the press for his performance during the World Cup final?" Yes a good accomplishment, but not necessarily what DYK is looking for. The other, probably more salient point here, is DYKTRIM: the hooks has several details that may distract from the main point of the hook (that she was praised for her role). DYKTRIM states
Not that it belongs here, but once you raised the topic: as far as I recall, that was the only time I began a poll. In the end, we had a hook that wasn't too far off from the original proposal, and I would like to know how to avoid the enormous waste of time and the friction between editors. Without a poll, we had a similar story for Maryvonne Le Dizès: after a long time of discussion, the hook was almost exactly as the one initially proposed, and there was not only interest for her but also her ensemble. I proposed a similar hook in German, the discussion was much shorter, contained the same scepticism because the ensemble with the French name would not be known (and it is not linked in German, they only link the subject), and still: a hook mentioning the ensemble was chosen, and she and even the ensemble found interest. What I like in the German system is that there's a position where several users can propose hooks, and another where several can simply leave support or oppose for the nomination, and a third where hooks are discussed. More neutral than our system of one reviewer and their personal preferences. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Given that the recurring issues with your hooks largely revolve around WP:DYKINT (hooks that rely too much on specialist information like knowledge of classical music that not all readers have), and WP:DYKTRIM (hooks that are too long and complicated, or feature too many clauses and information), to avoid excessive friction between you and reviewers/other editors, my suggestion would be to follow the advice of editors like 4meter4 or CurryTime7-24 and focus on proposing hooks that appeal to broad audiences as opposed to only classical music fans.
- Much of the friction is the result of opposition to your hooks on interestingness and/or wording grounds, so proposing hooks with those in mind from the start would greatly help in avoiding friction and ensuring quick reviews. Even if this may occasionally mean hooks that focus more about their personal life rather than their career, this does mean that more readers are more likely to read the article where they can learn more about the subject's career. In addition, a willingness to compromise, including making concessions or even accepting hooks different from what you want, would go a long way.
- I understand your hook style and you really want to highlight these careers or "what's unique to them", but it's clear that this hook format generally doesn't work out and leads to these discussions that are often longer than the actual articles themselves. So my suggestion, again, as painful as it may be to you personally, would be to avoid such hook formats and go with the style of 4meter4 or CurryTime. In addition, if the article truly does not have anything usable, there is no shame in simply not nominating it for DYK at all: not all articles are good fits for DYK, and that's okay. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Approving Alt1 and Alt2 only. Promoter may pick one at their discretion. I'm reviewing because I was pinged, and because Narutolovehinata5 wrote the approved alts and cannot approve them himself. I agree the original hook and the ALT0a hook are awkward to read, and boring and fail DYK's criteria for hooks. It just doesn't work name dropping The New York Times without quoting the paper's review in some fashion, and there just isn't room for that in the hook. Alt1 and Alt2 are both more interesting hooks and I support approving one of those over the other hook. Both are reasonably interesting (I particularly like the quote which would make me want to read the article), and both hooks are cited to reliable sources. Nice work Gerda on this article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4: To clarify, they weren't my hooks. They were proposed by Storye book in the previous nomination, I just simply reproposed them for this new nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt, I think the text on The New York Times review needs to be tweaked. The current text is not accurate and is misleading. The article doesn't say Marina Kondratyeva specifically danced with "poise and authority". That quote was targeted at the entire Bolshoi company (ie all the dancers), not just Kondratyeva. The current text makes its seems like the quote was about her dancing specifically which is not true. It does say that she excels in the role of Giselle.4meter4 (talk) 03:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I changed the text. Can't see the article - someone who can may expand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I hope that the image will make it, in which case saying "ballerina" is pretty redundant. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- There's a pattern with these nominations that comes to mind: after all the back-and-forth, the push and pull on the same exact talking points, there's always a last-breath cowboy approval of one or two hooks in the nomination. Maybe it's a sunk cost fallacy of all the time and energy put into the nomination already, because I've never seen one of those hooks actually go on to perform well on the Main Page. Look at Maryvonne Le Dizes, how long it took to pick a hook that flopped hard. I don't wanna see the same thing happen here. ALT1 and ALT2 are variations on the same ideas we've tried any number of times, and my read of the stats pages is that our readership doesn't care about them. I don't think they should be approved. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe that if the picture is provided, words don't matter much. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- The grainy one with terrible lighting where her face is doubled? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- The one that shows her artistry at a glance - we talk 1972, and can be happy to have it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- The grainy one with terrible lighting where her face is doubled? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Respectfully, I don't think either Alt1 or Alt2 are comparable to the previously poorly received hooks written by Gerda. These were not written by Gerda (not that it matters), do not have obscure works in a resume format, or have an awkwardly worded/incorporated quote. Both are perfectly acceptable, are reasonably interesting, and were authored by longtime DYK contributor Storye book who suggested them at the previous failed DYK nomination where they were not rejected by a prior reviewer. (The article had sourcing problems which is why it failed in the past.) Clearly, NTH thinks they are fine as well, or he would not have transferred them to the nomination page. That makes three DYK editors who did not nominate or write the article who approve of these hooks.4meter4 (talk) 18:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe that if the picture is provided, words don't matter much. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt, I think the text on The New York Times review needs to be tweaked. The current text is not accurate and is misleading. The article doesn't say Marina Kondratyeva specifically danced with "poise and authority". That quote was targeted at the entire Bolshoi company (ie all the dancers), not just Kondratyeva. The current text makes its seems like the quote was about her dancing specifically which is not true. It does say that she excels in the role of Giselle.4meter4 (talk) 03:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4: To clarify, they weren't my hooks. They were proposed by Storye book in the previous nomination, I just simply reproposed them for this new nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Minor issue was fixed. Approving Alt1 and Alt2 only per above.4meter4 (talk) 18:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Alan Rosen (restaurant owner)
[edit]- ... that Alan Rosen once sold 2,400 cheesecakes in four minutes to television shoppers?
- Source: February 19, 1997, New York Times article: "And last year, Junior's signed a contract with QVC, the television shopping network.... After winning a contest to appear on a showcase of New York State products, Alan Rosen stood before the grandeur of Niagara Falls in September and sold 2,400 cheesecakes... in four minutes to television shoppers wielding credit cards. He returned to the network a few weeks later and sold 7,100 in less than an hour."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Crystal (tabloid)
- Comment: Nominating this on behalf of an IP editor who has, as usual, provided the QPQ. I shall say that I see a rather viable hook in the gun buy-back scheme, too.
Schwede66 03:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Chiu Yuh-chuan
[edit]- ... that future Olympic weightlifter Chiu Yuh-chuan received a job offer in marketing after media coverage about his difficulty securing employment?
- Source: "舉重國手邱毓川失業 北市一公司願提供工作機會" [Weightlifting Champion Chiu Yuh-chuan Unemployed: A Company in Taipei Offers Job Opportunity]. Min Sheng Bao (in Chinese). 1984-07-11. p. 10.
The above source was published on 11 July 1984. Chiu Yuh-chuan competed in the 1984 Summer Olympics, which took place between 28 July and 12 August 1984. The article notes:
From Google Translate:屏東縣唯一入選一九八四年奧運國家代表隊的舉重國手邱毓川,五次打破全國紀錄獲頒多面中正體育獎章,但自省立體專畢業迄今一年多卻苦於一職難求,經報導後,台北市慶宜股份有限公司深表同情,昨日特打長途電話到本報屏東採訪辦事處,表示願主動提供工作機會,解決邱毓川就職問題,熱忱感人。
台北市慶宜貿易有限公司進口科長李聰哲在電話中表示,該公司經營多種商品貿易,為一頗具規模公司,因閱報獲知舉重國手邱毓川一職難求困境,基於為國家培育選手立場,願提供推廣企劃工作機會,除每月待遇一萬八千元左右外,并有業績獎金制度,只要邱毓川願意屈就,該公司竭誠歡迎。
Chiu Yuh-chuan, the only national weightlifter from Pingtung County to be selected for the 1984 Olympics national team, broke national records five times and was awarded multiple Chiang Kai-shek Sports Medals. However, it has been more than a year since he graduated from the provincial three-dimensional college and he has been struggling to find a job. After reports, Taipei City Qingyi Co., Ltd. expresses its deep sympathy. Yesterday, it made a long-distance call to the Pingtung office of this newspaper to interview and expressed its willingness to proactively provide job opportunities to solve Chiu Yuh-chuan's employment problem. The enthusiasm was touching.
Li Congzhe, the import section chief of Taipei City Qingyi Trading Co., Ltd., said on the phone that the company is engaged in the trade of a variety of commodities and is a large-scale company. After reading the newspaper, he learned that the national weightlifter Chiu Yuh-chuan was in a difficult position. Based on the stance of cultivating athletes for the country, The company is willing to provide marketing and planning work opportunities. In addition to a monthly salary of about 18,000 yuan, there is also a performance bonus system. As long as Chiu Yuh-chuan is willing to give in, the company wholeheartedly welcomes him.
Cunard (talk) 07:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC).
- Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 14:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Expanded day before DYK, from 138 to 5600, and article is up to snuff. All the sources but SR are offline so I'll AGF; that reminds me... Cunard, kudos to you for expanding a PRODed stub with sourcing that can't be reached easily. I recommend fixing the lede by blending in the info about his Olympic career so that it looks less like the cookie-cutter stub it originally was or adding an ALT1 showing that he was still looking for work post-Olympics even after the pre-Olympics job offer, but consider this optional. ミラP@Miraclepine 15:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Amalric of Nesle
[edit]- ... that Patriarch Amalric was snubbed at the royal court because of his role in a royal divorce (pictured)?
- Source: Hamilton (1980) p. 76
- ALT1: ... that Patriarch Amalric was, according to the archbishop of Tyre, "reasonably well educated but bereft of intelligence and virtually useless"? Source: Hamilton (1980) p. 78
- ALT2: ... that "no other Latin patriarch had ruled for so long" as Amalric of Nesle and yet "no other had made so little contribution"? Source: Hamilton (1980) p. 78
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The United States of America (album)
Surtsicna (talk) 22:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Surtsicna, review follows: article well in excess of 5x expanded from 27 October; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable offline sources; happy to AGF there are no copyright violations from these sources, the Earwig check is fine; hooks check out to the source cited (from Google Preview at least), for ALT0 I have amended "divorce" to "annulment of a royal marriage" as there is a difference; a QPQ has been carried out. Image needs a US PD copyright tag but is undoubtedly in the public domain, if you can address this and check you are happy with the amendment to ALT0 I should be able to approve - Dumelow (talk) 08:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tag added! I am not quite happy with the amendment, Dumelow, because it does not flow or catch attention nearly as well as "royal divorce"; and while divorce and annulment are different things in modern law, in the Middle Ages the annulment was the divorce, and indeed historians of the Middle Ages use the terms interchangeably, "divorce" even more commonly. See the source for this hook, for example. Surtsicna (talk) 18:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Surtsicna. Fair enough, thanks for the explanation. I have returned ALT0 to its original wording and am happy to leave the final decision up to the promoter - Dumelow (talk) 19:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tag added! I am not quite happy with the amendment, Dumelow, because it does not flow or catch attention nearly as well as "royal divorce"; and while divorce and annulment are different things in modern law, in the Middle Ages the annulment was the divorce, and indeed historians of the Middle Ages use the terms interchangeably, "divorce" even more commonly. See the source for this hook, for example. Surtsicna (talk) 18:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Edmonds (brand)
[edit]- ... that during World War II, housewives were encouraged to keep Edmonds baking powder tins to be used as bombs in case New Zealand was invaded?
- Source: https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350013000/edmonds-rise-and-fall-family-factory "During World War II, the Home Guard advised housewives to keep baking powder tins as they could be repurposed as bombs in case of invasion."
―Panamitsu (talk) 23:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Panamitsu, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 27 October and exceeds minimum length; sources used look to be reliable for the content cited and inline citations are used throughout; I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spot check; hook fact is interesting, mentioned in the article and checks out to source cited; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 08:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Zhou Houkun
[edit]- ... that Zhou Houkun (pictured) wrote a thesis on the use of bamboo to reinforce concrete?
- Source: [6]
Kimikel (talk) 00:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC).
- Verified that the article is long enough, that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking, and that the hook is sourced in the article. Cunard (talk) 05:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
The Crystal (tabloid)
[edit]- ... that The Crystal was one of few publications in early 20th-century China to regularly cover same-sex intimacy?
- Source: Kang, Wenqing (2006). Male Same-Sex Relations in China, 1900–1950 (PhD thesis). University of California, Santa Cruz. p. 169. ProQuest 305350088. "In China during the first half of the twentieth century, many newspapers circulated in big cities, but only Crystal in Shanghai and Heavenly Wind in Tianjin regularly had discussions and stories about same-sex relations. "
- ALT1: ... that The Crystal contained regular coverage of Shanghai's courtesans? Source: Hershatter, Gail (1999). Dangerous Pleasures: Prostitution and Modernity in Twentieth-Century Shanghai. Berkeley: University of California Press. p. 17. ISBN 978-0-520-20439-3. "Perhaps the most famous of the tabloids was Crystal (in Chinese, jingbao), published every three days beginning in 1919 for more than two decades. Crystal overlapped with the guidebooks in content, but devoted a great deal of column space to tracking relationships between courtesans and the city’s elite, as well as personality quirks and quarrels among courtesans, business successes or reversals, reminiscences about famous courtesans of earlier times, and lists of courtesan-house names and phone numbers."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tore Skeie
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: On good faith. As this contains sources not accessible by internet. 184.153.21.19 (talk) 02:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)