Talk:Special interest (autism)

Mentioning fixation

Love this article — would potentially mention how it relates to, or is different from, Fixation (psychology). To show why they warrant separate pages, as I think lots of people assume they are the same. Squiddyonwiki (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! From my understanding, Freudian fixations are a theory of why some people like certain types of sex, so I'm not sure how people could get the two confused? Did you mean hyperfixation? -- NotCharizard ^🗨 11:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did mean this! Though I don't believe fixation is alway related to sex -- people can get fixated on people, things, objects, etc. However I do think a lot of people mix up hyperfixation with special interest.

Article looks great! Squiddyonwiki (talk) 20:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

This article/draft

To Notcharizard. Hello, I have noticed this article or draft I should say, I typed an article through the sandbox titled "Special interest (autism)" in April. When I moved the article to the mainspace, a Wikipedien converted my article into a draft on the web page. The user stated I needed to work on the vocabulary and better reliable sources. Your article hit most of the main points I was addressing in mine. I was impressed with your writing skills.

Great minds think alike. If this is a draft (what you did on the bottom of the revision history), then why was it put into an article format? Tonkarooson (talk) *new editor* 03:22, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean "why was it put into an article format?". It was a draft when I first wrote it, because it was just bullet points from the sources I found, and then when I put it into paragraphs it was moved to article space.

I had a look at your draft, that is funny that we both did it at the same time - I have tried to make the same edit to an article at the same time as someone else many times but not a whole article. It looks like your article was draftified because you wrote it backwards. Your article had some examples of special interests in real people though which I didn't have other than Greta, that would be cool to add some if we can find some sources! -- NotCharizard ^🗨 11:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

When I type out "Draft: Special interest (autism)", yours is the top article, directing from "Draft:Special interest (autism)", so from this it made me a bit confused; below yours is my draft on this topic!

I read the article about making backward articles, and I am going to make the option to stop working on my article because yours seems better and mine came from my general knowledge of special interests. This also means I will make Special interest (autism) better! Tonkarooson (talk) *new editor* 02:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

NotCharizard, if you feel like a challenge

Consider WP:DYK. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

rename to Autistic_special_interests

consider renaming to Autistic_special_interests so its consistent with autistic_masking and autistic_burnout Anthony2106 (talk) 09:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 18th of May 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. The proposed is not inline with the naming system per consensus which is that there is no need for the move. Later ln clarification was that the ambiguous term "autism", isn't part of the article. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 00:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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Special interest (autism) → Autistic special interests – it should be moved to keep it concistent with autistic masking, autistic burnout and autistic meltdown plus autistic special intrests is a real term that is used i looked it up, it sounds better too Anthony2106 (talk) 06:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Toadette^Edit! 14:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I like this name change request, but I don't understand why this article needs to be moved. To me, this name change too good for the discussion to be closed

Also, where did all of these requests around Autism come from all of the sudden lol? Tonkarooson (talk) *new editor* 10:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

"Also, where did all of these requests around Autism come from"...i saw the name change request on the autism page and realized i could do one here.

"but I don't understand why this article needs to be moved"... it should be moved to make it renamed to make it consistent with the other pages about autism, and i think the discussion about this change is still open Anthony2106 (talk) 14:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I understand the desire for consistancy, but the examples given (autistic masking, autistic burnout and autistic meltdown) are all autistic "versions" of things that exist outside autism, so that is specified in the name of the subject (i.e. autistic masking is type of regular social masking). Special interests are an autistic thing, they are not usually called "autistic special interests" because that's inherent.

In the case of this article, "(autism)" is functioning as disambiguation, not as part of the typical name of the subject - it is only there because "special interests" is already used for special interest groups. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 14:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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"A person with a special interest will often hyperfocus on their special interest for hours" unreliable source

I may have found a better source:

https://oxfordspecialisttutors.com/autism-and-hyperfixation/#:~:text=Individuals%20with%20Autism%20often%20exhibit,the%20subject%20of%20their%20fixation.

I have others, but they didn't seem good enough. If anyone wants to see the other sources, I will gladly share them. Tonkarooson (talk) *new editor* 11:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:History of autism

Tonkarooson added Category:History of autism [1][2][3], but I and Panamitsu disagree [4][5]. I don't think that mention of a historical event ("Special interests in autistic people were first written about in 1943") is sufficient to define a topic as historical - per WP:CATDEF, "historical" is not a "defining characteristic" of "Special interest (autism)".

Other editors are invited to comment. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I think I can be funny in really silly ways. I just was thinking it was good enough since it was mentioned as a part of Autism becoming a diagnosis. This discussion needs no more, I appreciate the correcting. —Tonkarooson (talk) 01:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

If you agree with me and Panamitsu, please remove the category again. You most recently re-added it here; I haven't removed it again because I'm not 100% sure of your agreement, and I don't want to edit-war. If you still think it belongs, please say so explicitly. Thanks, Mitch Ames (talk) 02:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I looked at Classic_autism#Repetitive_behavior, restricted interests is there. There isn't a reference for that so I'm confused if special interests are a part of the history or not. —Tonkarooson (talk) 00:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

adding a photo

is this a good photo?:

this girl loves cats

the file is called "Autism Aspect Special Interests 1.png" its allmost like she made it for this page without knowing it.

I don't know where to put it, as their is no infobox. Anthony2106 (talk) 04:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

This looks pretty good, it seems like it would be fine. But then again, I don't know much about the guidelines about images. Thoughts, anyone? Tonkarooson (discuss). 05:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Tonkarooson dont bother waiting for @user:Notcharizard as i think somthing happened to them. i think they died or lost their computer with there password, as they havent edited wikipedia in almost a month, RIP.

As for the image, commons:user:MissLunaRose12's images are on like everything (Alexithymia, Neurodiversity, Masking (personality), Borderline personality disorder#Signs and symptoms) and they look consistently good so it seems like a good idea. As for its position I think I should just copy stimming and put it after the first paragraph, as i like that page.

Wait now it seems like I already knew the answer and should of done it myself, ill just wait a bit to see what others think and if no one responds after a week ill add it myself. Anthony2106 (talk) 06:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I do not know if you are joking, but it is very rude to say "don't bother waiting for NotCharizard to respond" and imply I have died. Please do not do that again. My activity on Wikipedia goes up and down as with any hobby.

I have added the image to the article. It is an excellent image, you are very right that it does seem almost designed for the article! -- NotCharizard ^🗨 07:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Notcharizard i dont think i was joking, as you left with no warning, im pretty sure that means you forgot your password or something happened to you, but you only stoped ending for like 20 days it was wrong of me to make this assumption, im sorry. maybe I was just upset you were gone as your a good editor.

next time i say when i think something has happened to someone it will be like 2 years, that seems long enough, but maybe I shouldn't at all.

shouldn't it say Autistic art depicting a special interest in cats? or Autistic art depicting a girls special intrest in cats? as commons:user:MissLunaRose12 is autistic and she seid everything she illustrates is autistic art unless otherwise specified, but then autistic art couldnt be link in the see also section cus of wp:notseealso Anthony2106 (talk) 14:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@user:notcharizard please don't hate me Anthony2106 (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I do not hate you! The comment just made me feel a bit hurt, but do not worry - I tend to (topically) hyperfocus on Wikipedia for a bit and then dissapear (my activity log is pretty spiky).

"Artistic art" would be a great caption! Feel free to add it yourself, generally it is good to be bold with small edits and if someone disagrees they can just change it themself :) -- NotCharizard ^🗨 10:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

yeah i might just change it myself like how i added a photo to stimming, it looks good dosent it? (pats own back). also i want you to check the bottom of talk:autism#Having more then one image as i think the infinity 8 sybole would be a good photo for the autism page, should i just add it? - no, too bold. also i changed the photo on one of your user boxes to use vector graphics as per Commons:Commons:Media for cleanup, your welcome. Anthony2106 (talk) 10:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Notcharizard look how bold I am now I added my own image to autistic masking and added my recording to kazoo. I hate to brag but I made a good drawing didnt I? did you already see it? Anthony2106 (talk) 04:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

... left with no warning, ... you only stoped ending for like 20 days ... next time i say when i think something has happened to someone it will be like 2 years, that seems long enough, but maybe I shouldn't at all — I make no comment about the appropriateness of saying anything at all, or the time before doing so, but refer you to {{Not around}}, the documentation for which includes:

It is generally not advisable to add this template to the talk page of any Wikipedia user who has stopped editing for a short amount of time. Wait at least three months before listing someone who has simply ceased editing.

Mitch Ames (talk) 03:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

removal of image

on this edit the ip editor removed the image because it has a water mark, no one undid their edit as its a good point. I didnt undo their edit as I didnt wanna piss them off and cause them to never edit wikipedia again. so ive requested overwrite permitions to remove the water mark Anthony2106 (talk) 10:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Per https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Overwriting_existing_files/Requests you should probably propose a change to the image file on that file's talk page. The relevant policy to justify the change is WP:WATERMARK. See also https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Watermark, in particular "Caution: Before removing a watermark ...". Mitch Ames (talk) 12:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I've tagged the two images [6] with {{watermark}}. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

vector

guys I made it vector, took a while but it was worth it right? Anthony2106 (talk) 14:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 12 August 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus there is no primary topic for Special interest and it should be a disambiguation page. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

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Special interest (autism) → Special interest – The autistic topic is the primary one over the special interest group. It does not make sense to make special interest redirect there. PhotographyEdits (talk) 13:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose IMO, if someone searches special interest on WP, this article is unlikely to be what they're after. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Support - When Googling “special interest”, all the first-page results are related to autism rather than single topic charities, which suggests to me that it is the main topic. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 03:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I just searched that too and the top result is this article. Plus, who refers to special interest groups as "special interest"? I haven't seen any irl or over the internet call it like that I believe. Tonkarooson (discuss). 05:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

While I have the WP and fandom autism pages at the top, then my search differs from yours. Google looks at geographic location, browser history and whatever. Do you get autism-only at [7] as well? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I live in sydney <joke>(don't talk me)</joke> why is their no joke tag? The first one at the top of the page is on the top the last one is on the bottom:

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no Anthony2106 (talk) 09:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tonkarooson @Gråbergs Gråa Sång I used browser without any of googles cookies. on librewolf I make everything delete exepct some pages, googles pages are not on this list. im sure if i kept using google to search autism things it may remember I like this stuff and give it to me more. so to make an unbiaist test you gotta also use a blank browser, or use Incognito mode. Anthony2106 (talk) 09:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

However, this kind of WP:GOOGLETEST is fairly useless. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång is it pointless because it can be wrong and there are better ways to find the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC? Anthony2106 (talk) 11:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Pretty much, a straight up googling is mix of all kinds of stuff. It's possible something more relevant could be done, perhaps with ngram, but special interest can be used in all kind of ways and it's not obvious to me how. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anthony2106 You can find some at Template:Jokes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguation page. I don't think there is any obvious primary topic; Special interest should be a disambiguation page, which would include:
  • Special interest (autism)
  • Special Interest (band)
  • Special interest group
  • Special-interest terrorism

and possibly:

• Area of special scientific interest
• Site of Special Scientific Interest (This should probably be merged with Area of..., but that's a separate discussion)
• Special interest high schools in South Australia

Mitch Ames (talk) 05:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Area of special scientific interest, Site of Special Scientific Interest ... should probably be merged ... Done. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good. I thought there would be something related to Interest as well, but apparently not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I disagree here. The group and terrorism article have a different name. The band is the only article with the same name. Then the autistic article is the primary topic over the band. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Sure, but disambiguation isn't strictly about article title, it's about "given word or phrase on which a reader might search". However, even if there is consensus that this article should be the primary topic, a disambig page is a good idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Note that Special:WhatLinksHere/Special_interest shows quite a few links to "Special interest", most of which are probably not related to autism. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames before the move (or before its made into a disambiguation page) that needs to be fixed, its only like 40 links it shouldnt take that long Anthony2106 (talk) 01:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the links to Special interest should be fixed or removed (per Un assiolo [8]) but that does not need to be done before making Special interest a disambiguation page - it can just as easily be done afterwards. (Having the existing links take the reader to a disambiguation page instead of the current - and incorrect in most cases - autism page would be a net benefit.) Mitch Ames (talk) 01:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames what do you mean by "autism page will be a net benefit"? dose this mean that people would see special intrest (autism) more by mistake if the 40ish links linked to a special interest disambiguation page? Anthony2106 (talk) 06:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I made an error in my original post [9] - it should be Having the existing links [to Special interest] take the reader to a disambiguation page instead of the current proposed/renamed ... autism page would be a net benefit — Most of the links from articles to Special interest have now been removed, but prior to that removal, when I wrote my "... net benefit" post, most such links were from a context in which a link to an autism page made no sense. Thus if we renamed "Special interest (autism)" to "Special interest" those links would confuse readers following them. But having the link to a disambiguation page would be OK - not ideal, but a DAB page is better than a wrong page. Mitch Ames (talk) 06:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

To be clear, all links from mainspace articles to special interest have been removed. The two that still show up are there for technical reasons; they're not real links. Regarding the "40 links", it looks like you're talking about the links from talk pages etc. Manually (properly) fixing those would be more trouble than it's worth. If you meant just automatically replacing them with links to special interest group, that would be kind of pointless, since in many cases that was not the intended link. We can just leave them as links to the disambiguation page. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I like the idea of a disambiguation. I'd be happy to make the disambiguation if that consensus comes. Then, maybe we could change the article name to "Autistic special interests". Tonkarooson (discuss). 06:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Didn't we already reject "Autistic special interests" in #Requested move 18th of May 2024 above? Mitch Ames (talk) 06:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tonkaroosonnow you wanna change it, no hate its fine. ive learnt to like the name special interest (autism) and changing it is a topic for another time (last time)as we don't need to change the name of this page to make Special intrest a wp:disambiguation page. Anthony2106 (talk) 06:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The disambiguation? If so, then I'll add the articles said in this discussion if that's okay. Tonkarooson (discuss). 22:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tonkarooson don't be like me, wait till there is a consensus Anthony2106 (talk) 06:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Very clearly ambiguous. Far too generic to be anything approaching primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: This title is so vague, it could be about anything. It doesn't really focus on one specific topic. Waqar💬 19:55, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate per Mitch Ames. Advocacy group should be included in the disambiguation page and many of the links from Special:WhatLinksHere/Special interest should link there instead of special interest group, which has a section on the political usage of the term but that's clearly not the primary topic of the article. In fact, even advocacy group is not the right target for some of them, like here or here – this is basically a bit of political rhetoric for which we don't really have an article and the best solution in that case would be to remove the link, or maybe link to Wiktionary where one definition of "special interest" is "A shadowy group with political power". A link to Wiktionary should probably be included in the disambiguation page. I will go through all the mainspace links to special interest and fix them as needed; making it into a disambiguation page will prevent improper links in the future. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• @Necrothesp and Iwaqarhashmi: Your comments would seem to argue in favour of disambiguating. Please clarify whether you are in favour. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Do you mean making Special interest a dabpage? Yes, I support that. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Un assiolo: Yes, Special interest could meaning anything, and it should become a disambiguation page instead. Waqar💬 14:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  Sure, I can support that as well. I think we have a consensus to turn special interest into a disambiguation page, instead of a redirect. PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  No objection. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I have now made it a disambiguation page as that seems to be what most people aggree with, even though a proper conciseness hasent been made yet Anthony2106 (talk) 14:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anthony2106:: Your edits have been reverted. You need to wait for the discussion period to pass and for the discussion to be closed. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

good point Anthony2106 (talk) 15:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I think we can close the discussion per WP:SNOW. I am the nominator and I am fine by retracting my original proposal and making a dab page and removing the redirect to Special interest group, which I think is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. PhotographyEdits (talk) 19:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

but at the same time I kinda wanted it to be called "special interest" ^{[just kidding]}(plot twist)/^{[just kidding]} even though that seems to have more then one meaning, the reason why I wanted this is because non-autistics can have special interests too, like stimming it just happens more in nurodiverce people. then the disambiguation page could of been called "Special interest (disambiguation)". but I think stimming happens more then Special interests and is also part of ADHD so having (autism) in the title makes scene I suppose Anthony2106 (talk) 15:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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