Talk:Pong Toss! Frat Party Games

Review comments

Here is a continuation of the comments at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Peer review/Pong Toss! Frat Party Games.

Controversy

• Either remove the apostrophe or add commas:
  • Titles generally don't have apostrophes.
    "Connecticut's Attorney General Richard Blumenthal"
  • Keeping the apostrophe would require commas around the name because the subject is the Attornery General of Connecticut, which removes the words' ability to act as a title to the name.
    "Connecticut's Attorney General, Richard Blumenthal,"
• Unnecessary comma:
  "...changed to Pong Toss! Frat Party Games, and all references..."
  • A comma there suggests that the second part after the "and" is a different, but related idea. However, it looks like its a part of a list of actions taken.
• Reword to avoid repetition of words:
  "...they were able to changealter it without making any significant changes."
• Unneeded word that sounds like part of a speech:
  "...this was a victory, but it's only a small one..."
• Unless Jaeger specifically said "sport", I'd remove this part because beer pong is a game or a hobby rather than a sport.
  "...but the growing sporthobby of beer pong..."
• Particia Vance's statements about the game use "she" a lot. I'd alternate between "she" and "Vance".
• I'd split up this runon.
  "She added that despite its premise being based on a drinking game, it was about nothing more than tossing ping pong balls into plastic cups,. Vance also commented adding that she's unsure of the basis for the statement that the game promotes alcohol abuse and binge drinking."
• Switch from present to past tense:
  "She statesd that the game was rated by three..."
• "She adds" is used too much. Every statement she makes after the first "adds" to the previous sentence. I'd trim down the usage to only one, maybe two, instances and mix up the wording: "she added" and "she further stated". Something like that can add variety to a paragraph to improve flow, but is largely redundant.
• Verb tense again. The statements occurred in a letter that was written in the past.
  • "He also criticizesd them for saying..."
  • "He statesd that the whole premise of the..."
  • "He addsd that it would prevent..."
• Excess comma usage:
  "...which only receive a Mature rating, which is (for ages 17 and over)."
  • Parenthesis and em dashes can be used the same way as commas.
• The sentence about Georgetown University banning beer pong and Haire not finding something surprising is a bit confusing. Some expansion/clarification would help.

Reception

• Missing word:
  "Pong Toss! Frat Party Games received a very negative reception..."
  • Rewording could be the way to go as well: "Pong Toss! Frat Party Games was widely panned by critics..."
• I sometimes get this confused, but I don't think a comma is necessary here:
  "..Metacritic and GameRankings, respectively."
• Tweak to make the phrase more concise and direct.
  "...controls and "decade-old PS1" graphics from "a decade-old PS1 game"."
• Missing comma:
  "...somewhat "well thought-out and creative", but was wasted..."
  • Without the comma, the two "and"s and one "but" make this a run-on.
• Reword to improve flow and have verb tenses agree. Called is past tense and bordering is present active. If the two are joined by "and", then they need to agree. Here are some alternatives:
  • "IGN called the game "ridiculously shallow", commenting that it bordered on "pointless"."
  • "IGN stated that the game is "ridiculously shallow" and bordered on "pointless"."
• Either remove "to" or add "be". Removing "to" would make the sentence more concise.
  • "...of an Adults Only rating for Pong Toss! inappropriate..."
  • "...of an Adults Only rating for Pong Toss! to be inappropriate..."
• Split up run-on:
  "...considering games such as Grand Theft Auto IV, Condemned 2, and World of Warcraft hold more lenient ratings, despite not only He further commented that the same games allowed players to see and consume the alcohol, but allow players to consume it."
• There are two IGN and 1UP.com commentaries mentioned in this section. It sounds like each one is from a different person, but this is not apparent. I'd consistently attribute the words to the authors to clarify things.
• No need to mention title here because it was clarified further up in the article. "JV Games Vice President Jag Jaeger" → "Jaeger"
• Split run-on:
  "In response to the criticism of Pong Toss from blogs and review sites, JV Games Vice President Jag Jaeger stated that the company wasn't bothered, stating. He commented that the people who make such statements without actually playing the game are hardcore gamers, who he statesbelieves are very prejudiced as to what they like and dislike."

References

• Be prepared to defend Nintendo Life at a quality review. The interview is probably fine, but the review might require a rationale.
• Sources should list the author if available.

I hope to finish up the last section soon. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 21:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC))

Finished. Sorry it took so long. Life has been busy. I think this article has a real shot at GA. Good luck with it as I think interesting articles like this deserve to be in the spotlight. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 04:41, 31 December 2009 (UTC))

B Criteria Assessment

Hi! I have assessed the article against the B criteria and found that it still has a few problems. Criteria 2, 3, 5, and 6 are all met.

1:

• The fact that the game uses the Entity Engine is not supported by an inline citation anywhere.
• The February 27, 2009, release date in Europe does not appear to be supported by an inline citation anywhere.
• Reference does not say that GTA has sexual content: Grand Theft Auto series' rating for ages 17+, despite its graphic violence and sexual content.
• This sentence is not supported by its inline citation: Despite the controversy in the United States, the game makes reference to beer pong in its European title.

4:

• The sentence It was the first video game created in their Frat Party Games brand due to the drinking game's popularity. doesn't make sense. I think it is implying that JV Games created the Fraty Party Games brand because this game was successful.
• Uses the examples to do what? Jaeger used several different examples of video games and other media that feature things considered inappropriate for children yet get a relative pass.
• Sent a letter to whom? The Attorney General of Connecticut Richard Blumenthal sent a letter which criticized the ESRB for its Teen rating of Pong Toss.

Comments that are not required for B-Class:

• Dates should have a comma before and after the year.
• There is close paraphrasing in the development and controversy sections. If it's difficult to avoid using the author's words, then don't avoid it. Quote them instead.

Overall the article looks good, and there's very little that needs to be done to bring it up to B-Class. --Odie5533 (talk) 06:33, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pong Toss! Frat Party Games/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Alexandra IDV (talk · contribs) 01:46, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

I will review this within the next few days.--Alexandra IDV^talk 01:46, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Lead and infobox

• I do think While they considered using traditional controls for the game, the developers chose to use the Wii Remote to try to make it more fun. They conducted a test on 15 people to see how they played beer pong. reads rather choppily. I would try improve its flow with something like The developers conducted a test to see how players play beer pong, and implemented motion controls in an attempt to make the game more fun.
  • Stole this
• Jag Jaeger should be listed as director in the infobox
  • Done

Gameplay

• It is not immediately clear what is special about the Wii remote compared to any other - you should mention that the game uses motion controls (and also mention this in the lead)
  • Added clarification in both lead and body
• The infobox says the game has both singleplayer and multiplayer modes, but the gameplay section does not say this explicitly
  • Added to the body

Reception

• I think that without a qualifier like "of all time", it doesn't really come across how scathing "the 78th worst game" really is (and it should specifically say video game, unless they're also including boardgames etc)
  • Added
• GamesRadar+ is missing the + in one spot
  • Fixed
• Italicize IGN
  • Fixed

Images

• The rationale for the cover/banner should state that it used for identification purposes - currently it just says that it is used for illustration
  • Improved rationale
• (Optional for GA, but recommended) Avoid forcing specific thumbnail resolutions, as this overrides user settings and may not look good on all devices. If you want to make them relatively bigger or smaller, you can add the parameter |upright=, where 1.0 is the default size.
  • Fixed
• (Optional for GA, but recommended) Add alt text to the pictures for accessibility
  • Added

Etc.

• The article is in the category for censored games, but is it actually censored? I get the impression that the developers, of their own accord, changed the game's title to avoid further controversy.
  • Changed it to the category about video game obscenities

@Abryn: I will put the article on hold. Ping me when you have addressed the concerns I brought up, and I will take a second look.--Alexandra IDV^talk 12:41, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

@Alexandra IDV: Responded to notes - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 18:20, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

@Abryn: Thank you. I made a small tweak (you listed Jaeger as designer rather than director in the infobox), but I'm now happy to promote this article.--Alexandra IDV^talk 01:54, 29 November 2019 (UTC)