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Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2024

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Change 5 tanks captured to 35 tanks captured

https://t.me/zainaldinmaham1/65791

This source + following HTS official media and adding up the tanks captured in each town Sahelian Analyst (talk) 11:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So it's an unconfirmed HTS claim? 71.175.178.6 (talk) 00:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: Telegram isn't a reliable source. --AntiDionysius (talk) 00:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2024 (2)

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HTS has captured Khan Al-Assal & Al-Zarbah

Source :

https://x.com/HalabTodayTV/status/1862117186464010552

https://x.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1862114928187842633 AlMuslim17 (talk) 14:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 01:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tahrir al-Sham involvement

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I really felt like I had to nitpick this quickly because this whole article reeks of western ignorance much much more than the usual articles about the Middle East here. It's phrased like this whole operation was planned, organized, and executed by the FSA and other so-called " moderate " rebels. This was all planned and executed by HTS, The FSA is less involved and more of a support role unlike how it's phrased in the article. In all the videos you see of the rebels they are wearing HTS patches, HTS uniforms, and sporting Islamist flags/slogans ( including that of Daesh ) their affiliation is obvious. They even say this and show combat videos in their press releases.

I also really feel like " Supported by Turkey " should be added. Hundreds of HTS fighters crossed from the Turkish border and HTS has worked with the Turkish military. I'm pretty sure Turkish military bases around Idbil were also bombed. That's not even getting into the arms shipments and funding as well as Turkey's joint offensive into Kurdistan along with HTS. 71.175.178.6 (talk) 00:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to an extent. HTS is a Sunni Islamist group linked with Al-Qaeda. CrazyFruitBat911 (talk) 20:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They literally have had conflicts with and have killed ISIS terrorists. Nonetheless, some of them may still have some links to ISIS. WP:NOTFORUM applies here and [[1]] is parroting Assadist sympathetic propaganda. Theofunny (talk) 20:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Al-Qaeda has had conflicts with and killed ISIS terrorists. It doesn't mean they aren't Islamic extremists. The current military leader of HTS is also a former Al-Qaeda affiliate and Islamist. CrazyFruitBat911 (talk) 21:25, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And while I do agree with you that HTS has not flown Daesh flags and the OP is likely parroting Assadist propaganda it cannot be ignored that HTS are Islamists in one form or another regardless of affiliation to ISIS. CrazyFruitBat911 (talk) 21:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would argue your opinion is more western ignorance and Assadist propaganda filled that the article you accuse.
Yes, the HTS organized this attack.
Yes, HTS is supported by Turkey.
No, HTS is not connected to Daesh, HTS has supported other opposition groups that have fought Daesh and has fought them themselves.
Now for the topic of Al-Qaeda, HTS used to have relations and connections to them but has since cut ties with Al-Qaeda to strengthen their relations and reputation with other opposition groups that were not very keen of Al-Qaeda. Atoosz (talk) 11:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish involvement

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Turkey should be added into at least the support section of the parties as it is clear they at least had a role in preparation of the operation.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-says-syrian-rebels-launched-limited-operation-near-aleppo

There is also some evidence that they have directly participated in strikes themselves against the government forces https://x.com/ScharoMaroof/status/1861724492558483755 Donbarzinitut (talk) 01:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Donbarzinitut Support: Turkey allowed many fighters to pass through their territory safely, and they have directly attacked the government. Internationed (talk) 08:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Turkey is one of the main supporters of the rebels, funds them and according to some is opening a front in Aleppo: https://english.alarabiya.net/views/2024/11/30/as-lebanon-s-battlefield-closes-syria-s-reignites-why-is-turkey-opening-aleppo-front-now Viceskeeni2 (talk) 21:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: Turkey has denied its involvement.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/syrian-government-needs-reconcile-with-its-people-opposition-turkey-says-2024-12-02/ - Anwon (talk) 17:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Turkey hasn't denied involvement, it was only some unnamed Turkish official from Ankara. Viceskeeni2 (talk) 18:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Türkiye not involved in Aleppo conflict, but prepared for potential migration wave: FM Fidan - Türkiye Today
This article, although clearly pro-Turkey, features the press conference by FM Hakan Fidan in which he says that Turkey has no involvement in the Aleppo offensive. Therefore that unnamed Turkish official is the top diplomat itself, but it for some reason was not covered by international media, but it could still proved by watching the press conference video.
Lebanese state media also features the same remark of him: الوكالة الوطنية للإعلام - Turkish Foreign Minister: We will take precautionary steps regarding the conflict in Syria
Turkey not involved in Aleppo, won't allow 'terrorist-led state': FM | Al Mayadeen English
Azerbaijani: FM: Türkiye is not involved in ongoing clashes in Aleppo
Turkish, Russian FMs discuss Syria's situation, Astana process | Caliber.Az
Armenian: Turkey does not participate in clashes in Aleppo: Fidan AscendencyXXIV (talk) 02:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
alright 👍 Viceskeeni2 (talk) 14:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split Article

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We need an article for the Battle of Aleppo 2024 Alhanuty (talk) 13:45, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already there. See Battle of Aleppo (2024) The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 21:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ajnad al-Kavkaz missing from the Free Syrian side

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Add Ajnad al-Kavkaz to the Opposition as they are fighting in aleppo right now

proof: https://x.com/war_noir/status/1862486068357976145

thanks. 18Adygean64 (talk) 19:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. FifthFive (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this reference reliable enough?
https://trackingterrorism.org/chatter/ajnad-kavkaz-and-jaish-al-muhajireen-wa-al-ansar-hts-claim-responsibility-for-attack-near-aleppo-syria-28-november-2024/ 2003:C5:2718:4859:8987:1006:E147:DC88 (talk) 09:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

29 Nov Aleppo Citadel taken

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Stories are coming in that HTS has taken Aleppo Citadel. At the moment source is this video on X, but more sources will probably become available over the next hours.

https://x.com/NEDAAPOST/status/1862607938952593595 212.113.68.195 (talk) 21:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 November 2024

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Rebels has captured strategic Abu Al-Duhur and Shaheed Suad Al-Kayari Airport, along with capturing Russian Base is Maasran, Idlib.

https://x.com/almo2tasem91/status/1862751340297871586?t=lsmQoekzV9S6FcXKsV4AcA&s=19

https://x.com/almohrarmedia2/status/1862753424808321205?t=1AbkEhHfWrCPAhkKN0Pz4Q&s=19 AlMuslim17 (talk) 07:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. FifthFive (talk) 03:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flag salad "Reactions" section

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As many of you know, most editors despise list-formatted "Reactions" sections, especially the flag icons. These sections should be converted into prose—not a bulleted (flagged) list. At present the reactions are from involved parties, and it should be kept that way. Abductive (reasoning) 08:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Syrian National Army

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The Syrian National Army (Rebels backed by turkey) initiated its own offensive toward the town of Tadif, located south of Al Bab. Source https://syria.liveuamap.com/ and https://x.com/mintelworld/status/18627723069105523242001:1C00:A16:7F00:0:0:0:E006 (talk) 11:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map - opposition factions

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Shouldn't the map have different colors (or at least different shades of green) for areas of the Interim Government and areas of the Salvation Government? (Areas of SNA and areas of HTS) They are different in the article Syrian civil war for example. RamiPat (talk) 11:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to estimate who controls what now since it's a joint offensive. Muhllo (talk) 11:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More Syrian Army casualties

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The rebels destroyed a retreating military convoy belonging to Syrian Army which killed 75 personnel.

https://x.com/ShaamNetwork/status/1862808381808955488?t=dq2b0lHOme-BHUcdXQRpoQ&s=19 Muhllo (talk) 11:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change infobox map

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I believe this infobox map by User:Rr016 is more suitable for the infobox. It includes both active fronts, as well as Hama where gains are currently being made. PanNostraticism2 (talk) 15:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Including it within the infobox may be worth it but not completely taking out the current one that shows Northwestern Syria (where the actual offensive is taking place at). Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 04:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Aleppo (2024) clarification

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The “status” section of the front page simply lists the current Aleppo battle as the “Battle of Aleppo;” since there was already a major battle in the city earlier in the Syrian Civil War, this should be changed to “Battle of Aleppo (2024)” or maybe even “Second Battle of Aleppo” so as to avoid confusion with the earlier battle. LordOfWalruses (talk) 17:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It already directs to "Battle of Aleppo (2024)" as a link.
I don't think putting a year in a status in an article that has "2024" in its title will necessarily or that not putting it will cause any confusion. RamiPat (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Changed link name to Battle of Aleppo (2024). Ecrusized (talk) 10:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Separate section in infobox needed for the SDF

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/30/middleeast/syrian-rebels-control-aleppo-city-intl

All three major combatants are against each other. Theofunny (talk) 19:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please update your link as it is no longer working. 2600:1700:1CD0:4AD0:8AFA:7E4C:D34A:5B1E (talk) 21:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request for addition to the lede

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This offensive is the direct consequence of new wars that have erupted outside Syria’s borders. Regional and international powers intervened in Syria over a decade ago, and now the conflicts of Ukraine, Gaza and Lebanon are all considered to have come together and overlapped in Aleppo.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/setbacks-for-russia-iran-and-hezbollah-turn-into-a-catastrophe-for-syrias-assad-c3e693e8

Theofunny (talk) 20:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2024

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Kioumars Pourhashemi wiki was made so make it link to him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kioumars_Pourhashemi Yesyesmrcool (talk) 00:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – Anwon (talk) 03:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any sources for intra-Syrian-govt fighting in Damascus?

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Is The Jewish Press a WP:RS? The source's claims of a possible attempted coup d'etat in Damascus (Archived 2024-12-01 at archive.today) with claims that Brigadier General Hassam Louka, chief of the regime's general security directorate was attempting to oust President Bashar al-Assad and that Clashes were reported between the Syrian Republican Guard and the Syrian Arab Army's 4th Division in the Kfar Sousa district of Damascus, with gunfire directed at various government buildings. If there are enough serious sources, then this info should really go into a separate article. Boud (talk) 00:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Boud From what I've heard any claims of a coup in Damascus are a complete hoax; if a coup really was taking place, you would see mountains of news stories by major media outlets, not just one article from The Jewish Press. There is one article explicitly refuting the coup claims, [2] but it is not from a very reliable source. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 00:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It does seem surprising that no reports are spreading among reliable sources (leaving the reliability of The Jewish Press an open question) - it's not North Korea or Eritrea that are more or less hermetically sealed from info spreading. Syrian Observatory for Human Rights seems to say nothing about the would-be coup attempt. The expected bias of Western mainstream WP:RS would be to favour reports of a coup attempt, though they would still check multiple sources before making any claims. A few others sources (not necessarily WP:RS) that might be likely to pick up that sort of news quickly - Anadolu Agency no hint of a coup attempt; AJ English nothing; Al Monitor nothing. If the coup attempt is not confirmed to be real, then we'll have at least one solid case for proposing The Jewish Press at WP:RSP WP:RSN. Boud (talk) 01:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC) (edit Boud (talk) 13:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC))[reply]
 Done @Flemmish Nietzsche: posted at RSN for discussion. Boud (talk) 12:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Casualties

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What do you think of having a section to cover the injured and dead people. I made a quick search but the there are a wide range of statistics reported [3], [4] and [5]. Also the data is changing on a daily basis. --Mhhossein talk 12:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map

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Menagh Air Base has been taken Over By Rebels Map must Be Changed 78.172.61.182 (talk) 14:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For changes in the map, you'd have to go to the Wikimedia commons not here and also the map is updated once in a while Waleed (talk) 13:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rojava/AANES/SDF as a third side rather than on SAF side

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In the sidebar, Rojava/AANES/SDF is listed as a belligerent on the side of the SAF. Shouldn't it be listed as a third side? Cobblebricks (talk) 20:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has not fought with the government on this front, especially according to no reputable sources. It took over some areas after the government withdrawal but without clashes. Plus they seem to have received Russian air support in some cases. I think the current infobox format explains the current situation well. --PanNostraticism2 (talk) 21:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The line between SAA and SDF implies that they are neither fighting on the same side nor fighting one another. Adding SDF as a 3rd combatant would mean that all three sides are fighting each other, which is not the case since there is no fighting between SAA and SDF. Ecrusized (talk) 10:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with PanNostraticism2 and Ecrusized. SAA and SDF have not been fighting against eachother, but have clashed both against the rebels. That's why they are both aligned against the rebels in the same column, but because they are not allies we got a line separating them. And that's been standard practice in other battles of this conflict since the start. EkoGraf (talk) 19:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given their recent offensive against Syrian government, I believe SDF should be classified as a third side now. – Anwon (talk) 12:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2024 (2)

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Add

to images Viceskeeni2 (talk) 23:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This image is not improve the article. We need best quality maps.  Not done RealStranger43286 (talk) 12:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Welp Viceskeeni2 (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about now? Viceskeeni2 (talk) 18:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Question: what is is supposed to represent? M.Bitton (talk) 02:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 2024 Hama offensive Viceskeeni2 (talk) 05:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ukraine supporting Rebels

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https://www.kyivpost.com/post/43117 2A02:3030:A62:FC4E:C86E:C70F:BE7C:6C58 (talk) 16:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding them to the "supported by" section will indicate that they're actively supporting during the battle, not only as a supplier.. which is so far proven to be not the case
- RamiPat (talk) 19:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This also means that Ukraine sponsors international terrorism.
HTS is recognized as terrorists in the USA, England, Europe and the UN Radkgjm5787 (talk) 20:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iraqi militias fighting for Assad

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/pro-iranian-militias-enter-syria-iraq-aid-beleaguered-syrian-army-2024-12-02/

This source doesn’t list the names of the militias or their numbers, but “Iraqi militias” should be listed as a belligerent fighting alongside Assad. LordOfWalruses (talk) 22:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support 👍 Viceskeeni2 (talk) 22:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no credible evidence that Iraqi militias are fighting alongside Syrian troops in Northwestern Syria. 37.237.117.33 (talk) 12:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if they aren’t at the frontlines yet, the source that I have says that they’re at least in Syria on the way, so they should be listed. LordOfWalruses (talk) 15:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are Syrian National Army and Syrian Salvation Government being lumped together?

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They are not the same organization, don't exactly have the same goals, and they don't even have the same flags(SNA has the stars and SSG has the arabic writing).

The map specifically marks the Syrian Democratic Forces in a different color, along with the groups in reconcilliation in the South-west or the Syrian Free Army in that pocket in the middle south. Technically these are all 'Opposition' in the sense of opposing Assad. Why are the SNA and SSG being given one color and not separate ones? The main page still marks them as White and Green respectively. TheBrodsterBoy (talk) 00:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deir ez-Zor

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@Ecrusized: could you move the information to Deir ez-Zor clashes (2024) since Deir ez-Zor is clearly not North Western anymore and is different offensive Braganza (talk) 10:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed its not Northwest, but its still in the context of this campaign. It might be time to move the page to another name. So that there is an article that covers the escalation that began in Syria last Wednesday. Ecrusized (talk) 10:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
no its not really connected, its at best a second front. This article shouldnt mutate into a "Syrian Civil War (2024-present)" article Braganza (talk) 10:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't mind mention it in "Status" or in the timeline but its clearly different and the US should not be mentioned Braganza (talk) 10:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't even enough material in this article yet there are already 5 splits. Battle of Aleppo (2024), 2024 Hama offensive, Operation Dawn of Freedom, Southern Syria offensive (2024), Deir ez-Zor clashes (2024). I prefer keeping it all nice and tidy in one article where the events of the past 5 days can be read without going into 6 separate small articles. That's just my preference. Ecrusized (talk) 10:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @Braganza:. The subject of this article has been the rebel-initiated offensive "Deterrence of Aggression" in northwestern Syria and its a separate military campaign/operation from the events that are taking place thousands of miles away in eastern Syria and the title of the article should not have been changed without a proper discussion on the subject. I kindly ask @Ecrusized: that the name be changed back to Northwestern Syria offensive (2024). And if you feel they should be merged, please initiate a discussion with other editors. Thank you. EkoGraf (talk) 11:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very well, I've moved the page back to its old name. I didn't think that would be a controversial move. Ecrusized (talk) 11:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. EkoGraf (talk) 11:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EkoGraf, Ecrusized, and Braganza: the old map should be updated. Panam2014 (talk) 21:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This map no longer covers the scope of the offensive since it only shows ongoing clashes in its bottom corner. However, I could make a new zoomed in map one similar to File:Israel-Lebanon-Syria-border-Conflict-2023.svg and File:Operation Peace Spring.svg if that's preferred over a map of Syria. Ecrusized (talk) 21:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ecrusized, a zoomed in map of this particular offensive would be nice Waleed (talk) 04:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 December 2024

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Northwestern Syria offensive (2024) → 2024 Syria conflict – Fighting has now spread to the eastern Deir ez-Zor region between SDF and pro-government forces. As well as to the mid-central region of Hama. In light of these developments I feel that the title "Northwestern Syria offensive (2024)" no longer reflects the situation accurately. I'm open to hearing other titles from editors as well if the above isn't preferred. Some other examples that come to my mind are, 2024 Syria campaign, 2024 Syria offensive, and Syrian Civil War offensive (2024). Ecrusized (talk) 11:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - The subject of this article is the rebel-initiated offensive "Deterrence of Aggression" in northwestern Syria and its a separate military operation from the events that are taking place thousands of miles away in eastern Syria (separate front in the war). For example, in WW2, Operation Overlord (Western Front) and Operation Bagration (Eastern Front) were not considered the same event, even though they took place during the almost same period of Allied escalation against Germany (June 1944). EkoGraf (talk) 11:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should change it to 2024 Syria conflict and ad Deir ez Zor sections with Southern Rebel activities. Battles 55 (talk) 13:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose- per EkoGrad, subject of the article is the rebel offensive. It's very possible that news on the issue could focus on the most recent escalations though, so a new page named something like Syrian civil war (2024) or Timeline of the Syrian civil war (November 2024–present) isn't something I'm opposed to, but the scope of this page is clearly focused on the rebel offensive in the NW - presidentofyes, the super aussa man 14:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as this article has a clear, more specific scope. However, I wouldn't be opposed to a Timeline of the Syrian civil war (November 2024–present) per Presidentofyes12. While asserting that this constitutes a separate civil war would likely be OR, our war timelines are usually subdivided around key events and this would be a convenient periodization. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, we have already separate page for Deir ez-Zor clashes Shadow4dark (talk) 16:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - per the other arguments. Wheatley2 (speak to me) (watch me) 16:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this is a larger offensive within the war focused on Hama, Aleppo, and Idlib governorates, HTS isn't fighting in Deir ez-Zor. Jebiguess (talk) 16:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Weak, vague title. The current title can stand as it is. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 20:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - rather create a new article but i would not support it either Braganza (talk) 22:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Bonbontofu (talk) 22:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Oppose Waleed (talk) 04:09, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please fix the english in the page

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the english is broken somewhere Zezo39 (talk) 12:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zezo39 Where? It would help if you specified the section or paragraph where the issue occurs. —C.Fred (talk) 12:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map

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Hi

File:Northwestern Aleppo offensive (2024).svg seems to be better but should be updated. Panam2014 (talk) 21:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split the Hama campaign?

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The current article is titled "Northwestern Syria offensive", while the combat is now in the vicinity of Hama - which is not in Northwestern Syria. Shouldn't it be considered a separate offensive altogether? Juxlos (talk) 02:54, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Hama offensive is already a different article Waleed (talk) 03:38, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but it's considered part of this article. Maybe the title has to change if this is going
to cover campaigns in west-central Syria. Juxlos (talk) 04:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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