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Another new song.

i think there's one called "The World Is Ugly". (lol) they played it live in hong kong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justicemanlulz (talk • contribs) 07:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Can you verify that? Blkeddie! (talk) 07:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

None of the "new songs" are confirmed yet. They haven't been officially given names yet. There are videos of them on YouTube singing a song with the lyrics "The world is ugly" in it but it does not have a confirmed name. It's not even confirmed if this will be a song on the album or used anywhere in the future.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 21:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Though it wasn't an album song, it's a song they play, so it's relevant. It's what people will listen in the live shows. --Moraleh 18:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moraleh (talk • contribs)

there's another song called desert song apprently —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.65.145 (talk) 21:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The word 'apparently' is not relevant enough for this site. It basically screams out 'no proof, just opinion and gossip.' Besides, I don't think My Chemical Romance would call one of their songs The World is Ugly. It's just totally unlike them. Desert? Maybe.. But their songs titles are usually strong. To me, Desert does not sound like a strong title. Love,♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.27 (talk) 20:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not called Desert. It's called Desert Song. It's on Life on the Murder Scene. It's not a new song. --Nishad (talk) 02:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.71 (talk) 15:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Too Much Praise

"American Music Award-nominated, Grammy Award-nominated, American rock quintet?" That's a very complex way of saying "My Chemical Romance is the best band ever." --Mr cutty (talk) 17:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed all of it. Green Day which is a good article does not even have something similar in the beginning. It's short and simple. I changed it to be similar.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 20:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

& I believe otherwise. My Chemical Romance is not an emo band. End of discussion. I don't know why there are so many contridictions and such over this. They are not emo! Get over it, man! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.28 (talk) 18:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Why not emo on music styles section?

Seriously, AMG is the only source there now and they clearly states them to be emo. And MCR is a fucking emo band, get over it.--Gustav Lindwall (talk) 12:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

MCR themselves detest the phrase emo, so I'd say that's the best source available Rmh792 (talk) 18:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I may as well play classical music and call it black metal. nevertheless, it's still classical music. 85.250.125.4 (talk) 22:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It wouldn't make sense calling Classical, black metal, although it would make sense to call a rock band, simply rock. Besides, they're denying and testifying against emo, not calling themselves a totally different genre Blkeddie! (talk) 08:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

MCR is never emo! LOL. I'll say its fake.Blackiedog (talk) 10:52, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

A reliable source is fake? Are you kidding me? It doesn't matter what the band says they are. They're not a third party source so you can't take their statements against emo into account in deciding what genre they are. Timmeh! 15:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Well then, then the topic becomes this, what exactly is emo? It's just a word to describe all the new wave of rock bands, but it still doesn't cover any musical styles does it?
You might call The Used emo, but they sound considerably different from My Chemical Romance. Blkeddie! (talk) 08:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is not an emo band. All 5 current members of the band (Gerard Way, Mikey Way, Ray Toro, Frank Iero, and Bob Bryar) hate the fact that people categorize them as emo. Emo is singing about suicide, dying, depression, etc. My Chemical Romance does not display this in their music. They would appreciate to be categorized as alternative rock or punk rock. My Chemical Romance may have a diferent style of music but that style is not emo. If you think they're emo, you're wrong. Gerard Way (vocals) has quoted in interviews (including one on MTV), that he thinks emo is "F*ck*ng garbage!" I don't think My Chemical Romance would be emo if they hated it. *hugs & kisses* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.65 (talk) 21:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, maybe if we all read the ARTICLE on emo, then we'd know that MCR bears little to no resemblence to what actual emo is and that emo is NOT singing about death and destruction. We have Morrissey for that. Rites of Spring and early Weezer? Emo. My Chemical Romance? "Radio punk", and nothing more. Skibz777 (talk) 01:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Well we don't all read the articles.. I wasn't trying to offend you in any way. But what is emo then? And Morrissey? :S I've NEVER heard of that before.. I don't believe MCR is emo. Not even remotely. And neither does My Chemical Romance. As I stated before, they think it's "f*ck*ng garbage". [from an interview with Gerard Way] *hugs & kisses* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to sound mean (nor do I wish to turn this into a forum discussion), but do you really need to ask questions like "what is emo, then?" when you're on an online encyclopedia which provides these answers with the click of a mouse? I'm surprised these 'emo' discussions even exist when reading a simple paragraph clears just about everything up.Skibz777 (talk) 03:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Well, you've pretty much turned this into a forum discussion by totally disagreeing with me on my first comment. I did read the discussion and comments (etc.) and no place in there does it clearly fact what 'emo' is. However, I did read that this discussion is now about the definition of 'emo', which is what I'm looking for. And frankly, I don't want to sit on the computer searching around for the definition of emo. I don't have time for that. I'm only on this site because of my love for My Chemical Romance. And I think that I, and all other true MCR fans, should defend MCR in the sense that people call them 'emo'. They're not emo. And although my definition of emo may not be everybody elses, it doesn't matter. When I asked "Well, what is emo then?", I meant your opinion. There's no reason to get rude about it. *no hugs & no kisses* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.125 (talk) 02:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Frustrating ... the page for emo doesnt exactly tell you much about emo does it, it puts all these bands up, but they all sound considerably different, My Chemical Romance sound nothing like the bands on the emo page, e.g Moss Icon, Fire Party. What's the point of calling MCR emo when obviously they sound different to any current "emo" band out there. Ruining their image as a rock band.Blkeddie! (talk) 12:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

When using the term emo in music it simply means emotional music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.73.62 (talk) 22:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

No it doesn't, it refers to an offshoot of hardcore punk, "emotive hardcore". It is (or was) a very specific genre which only recently has been expanded to include a whole gamut of music which is seen as over-emotional and narcissistic, such as that of MCR —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdaz (talk • contribs) 17:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

People on the top of this page it says this is not to talk about if mcr is emo or not. Just to end the story take it from a real emo to say this. MCR IS NOT EMO! Real emos hate this band! XxtruemoxX (talk) 20:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC) XxtruemoxX

MCR ARE NOT EMO! You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, they are not an emo band! 62.56.56.183 (talk) 11:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

You know what, MCR are whatever the hell they want to be, so shut up, its over, no more debating, this isn't the place. Go on a freaking forum Blkeddie! (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Blkeddie, before you were stating your opinion on what genre MCR is. Other people have the right to state their opinions too. After all, this is a 'discussion' page. It's 'discussing' MCR and matters about them. PS: maybe you should take your own advice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.108.92 (talk) 23:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, I'll take my advice, and yours, but it's really no use, because it's just going to be left unresolved, best if everyone drops it now. Blkeddie! (talk) 19:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Many relevant sources cite My Chemical Romance as emo, and for instance I added all those I could find today to the genre section of the band's infobox, anyway, after taking a look at the guidelines, I found out the infobox should aim for generality rather than clearness. Disgraceful. So, I had to change all my sources to the pertinent section of the article, where the genre dispute is referenced. Anyway, going back to the point of those relevant sources, I have to state that MCR indeed sounds as emo, yet, not only from my point of view (which is always disregarded in Wikipedia, as every editor's opinion is disregarded due to a lack of relevance), but from the point of view of many reviewers and editors, some of them active at magazines such as Rolling Stone, and other sources like MTV; in fact, I could find this quote:

"...the album, truly show[s] why My Chemical Romance are above and beyond the best band to come out of the punk/emo/post-hardcore scene." - — Steve, leader of MCRmy, the official MCR street team.

Did you notice the word "emo"? That is what all the sources I cited say -check the article for My Chemical Romance-; they relate MCR to emo music. So, after all, here, in Wikipedia, the real discussions, like this, the discussions which start the fuss, start as discussions among users, but when the debate needs to get serious, they end up being "source wars", where the only active voices of the debate are the sources one can find to back one's opinions. Therefore, I give some value to those editors whose opinions state it clear: MCR has played, at some point -or even at many- of its history, emo music. Even their looking style can easily be catalogued as emo, but I can't find any source for that. It seems like it is common sense, and common sense has not so many sources when there are so many trivial points to debate for this kind of knowledge. And, being that the emo social trend includes not only the musical style, but the fashion, we get even stronger arguments to call MCR a part of it. But, put it easy, fans are always bound to their idol's opinions, and when these "god-like" figures argue against their own roots, of course these analogical "zealots" will be automatically rejecting the truth. And, having no support within fan circles, I'll stick to these sources, and to these editor's opinions, and to my own musical opinions -which I will not include here- referring to riffs, ambient, and other characteristics of the genre, and of some of MCR's material. AFOH (Talk) 18:06, 5 April 2008 (GMT-6)

Obviously, nobody has noticed the clear message at the top of the page. Sources have been found citing MCR as emo and it will stay in the musical styles section. No more genres need to be added to the infobox; Alternative rock is fine there. Nobody is welcome to fuel this debate any longer. We don't need to argue over whether the band is emo or not. AFOH has found several sources, and they will stay. END OF DISCUSSION Timmeh! 00:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Sources, meaning like MTV and magazines, really has no meaning or true value. It's the band that decides what kind of music they play and what genre they would categorize themselves as. MCR is not emo. They hate emo music. They call it "fucking garbage". Now why would they record music that's emo if they hate it? Exactly. They wouldn't. Ahh, could all people who say MCR is emo just get the hell away and just don't listen to them then. If you call yourself a 'fan' and you think they're emo, you have it all wrong. Some frigging people, eh? And if you still think they're emo - get the hell over it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.110 (talk • contribs)

Sources have meaning on Wikipedia. That's what all the information should be based on. It is absolutely not the band that decides what kind of genre they are. If that were the case, Sum 41 would be classic rock n roll, but they're really pop punk. Wikipedia relies on reliable, third party sources. If you don't like it, don't edit Wikipedia. Any more comments on this topic will be immediately removed per the message at the stop of the page. Timmeh! 22:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

New member of My Chemical Romance

His name is James Dewees.--x0darkshadow0x93 (talk) 5:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

He hasnt officially joined yet, he will when they start recording the next album, which could be a while. Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 22:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

WHO PUT THAT MCR'S GENRES ARE PUSSY ROCK AND SISSY ROCK???? SOMEONE CHANGE IT PLEASE!!!!

James Dewees as a new member?

I've heard a lot of talk about James Dewees becoming the sixth member of MCR for their next album...but I haven't seen any proof. Does anyone have a article/interview that confirms this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.181.129 (talk) 03:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Nothing should be added unless theres an official announcement.Inhumer (talk) 07:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I haven't heard anything about a new member yet. I'm not sure MCR fans will be ready for that..

Criticism

Why is this in here? Unjust and unfair. Get rid of it. Before I ad in Marilyn Manson's wikipedia that he's ripping off Alice Cooper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reeblite (talk • contribs) 08:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the criticism towards them is unfair, but it is notable and should stay Titan50 (talk) 21:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I agree with the first guy. Criticism should not be discussed on a forum (discussion page) about My Chemical Romance. Only MCR's fans visit their sites (well, mostly.. some people with no lives do too). Not that that's a bad thing. Hell, if you have nothing better to do, visit sites about MCR and learn to love 'em! =D I mean, come on, it's so easy to fall in love with their energetic and emotionally touching music. Anyways, back to the topic.. Yah, I think the criticism should be gone. It's totally unfair. Well, at least in my opinion. Besides, what's to criticize? They're amazing at what they do! ♥ Love, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 21:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

This is not a message board. Zazaban (talk) 21:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Who cares. Let people talk, man. It's just a discussion page about MCR. Give the person a break. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.71 (talk) 15:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

But it's not a discussion page bout MCR in general. It's a discussion page about improving the article ONLY. Zazaban (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Should the Criticism Section contain a note on MCR's connection to the emo aesthetic? This is not a value judgement on whether MCR is emo or not, or whether this is positive or negative, but like it or not, "emo" has become one of the more relevant subculture labels in the last few years, and justified or not, MCR has become THE iconic band of emo music in the popular media, at least superficially. Therefore, shouldn't this issue be addressed somewhere in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdaz (talk • contribs) 17:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope. They're not emo. So that doesn't need adding. :)

That's precisely the point, to address the whole emo/not emo debate. MCR is one of the few bands that both benefits from and simultaneously rejects its labeling a an "emo" band, and it has become a large part of their image. More than half of this talk page is flooded with the issue, so it seems relevant to address this in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdaz (talk • contribs) 15:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure then. Add it in. I think that would definetly be valuable and relevant information in the article. =)♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.167 (talk) 22:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Mickey in the bass

In the article someone has posted that Mickey did not learned to play the bass just for joining the band, but I remember I heard he did in the video-diary of Life on the Murder Scene... --Moraleh 17:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe it's Mikey. His name given to him at birth was Michael James Way. But that's cool. If Mickey works for you, it's all good. PS - he's so cute ♥ [with or without his sexy glasses] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 02:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

But what do we do with the statement in the article? --Moraleh 21:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moraleh (talk • contribs)

Hmm.. I don't know because I don't know the answer to that question. But at least change his name to Mikey =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.16 (talk) 19:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Could someone plese change the sections in the article near BP about mikey returning to have sex with them as normal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.18.24 (talk) 10:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Put only studio albums and DVDs in the chronology

I mean in the chronology of each album or DVD page. I think we should do that because they are the main and most relevant releases of their discography, and then delete the demos and EPs. --Moraleh 03:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Emo Is Crap

My Chem are 'Emo' they are post hardcore/punk rock or even Horror Punk at a push. Wow, they dress in black, so do Slipknot (are they emo?) and most metal bands..... furthermore calling them 'emo' casue theire lyrics contain a lot of emotion os rubbish, Jay-Z has emotion in his lyrics, as does Britney Spears and McFly, and finally the wrist slitting issue..they are against self-harm and suicide ("Im not afraid to keep on living, im not afraid to walk this world alone"Famous Last *&%$#Words by Mcr) There it is, all arguments calling them 'Emo' quashed actually they are anti sucuidal and every1 thinks that they are emo are stupid they are not emo my ex bff says shes all mcr and cuts and is emo and gerard knws her name by heart thats crap if u were a real mcr fan u wouldnt cut or be emo thats a bunch of bull right there PPL THEY ARE NOT FREAKING EMO —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallforyou (talk • contribs) 16:29, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

You are right about MCR not being "Emo". But everything else is wrong, Emo is a music genre, not a group of kids who are suicidal. You call those people "Scene Kids", using the term "Emo" only worsens the confusion. "Emo" is very different from the style of music that My Chem plays. Hopefully we can get this fixed out properly. But in turn, no emo is not crap, it is actually pretty good =)--Samushi101 (talk) 07:05, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Dont be a dumbass. MCR has not even a hint of of hardcore or horrorpunk. I wouldnt even call them rock.

Its amazing how weird people are about this band. I know one kid who thinks there metal. Personally, I would call them a blend of emo(by whcih I mean melodic pop/hardcore... it has nothing to do with lyrics...), and Glam rock. can glam rock be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.215.25.248 (talk) 21:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Emo is a pile of shit!!!

Guys seriously, What is emo? as far as I know it is a wave of bands or something similar, then? is MCR part of that wave? maybe and maybe not, I think if we don't like to call MCR emo then just not list it in the genre thing, we can ignore it if we are IGNORING the sources which claims they are post-hardcore and alternative rock!!!

GOSH!!! if we don't want we don't have to call them emo!!! We can just ignore THAT source!!! For example there were like 5 sources saying they were gothic-rock and hardcore-punk and even metal-core and those genres are not even mentioned!!!

Atte. user:Jak-Esz

Not screamo and not emo

I agree with the people below. MCR has neven said they aren't emo, and called it a "pile of ****."

71.173.54.250 (talk) 07:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC) THEY ARE NOT POST HARDCORE WTF DID THAT COME FROM?????????????...EMO....SHEER PURE...EMO

Why do you people think that? Listen to Ampere and then to any band you call screamo these days. See the difference? Then listen to Indian Summer and then any band you call emo today. See the difference? MTV has ruined yet another genre by forcing bands of other genres into it.

People seem to think that all sad music is emo and all music where they scream is screamo. You're wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.210.87.80 (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Now.. I hope that MTV starts calling Britney Spears and all other pop/dance music DEATH METAL. Then people would start calling pop death metal and the whole genre system would be ruined. So please stop ruining the genres by putting completely false information here. MCR only plays emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.210.87.80 (talk) 13:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I always thought that MCR was Melodic Hardcore or Post-Hardcore or something like that. Kinda like Modern Life is War, At The Drive-In, and the like.--98.235.102.203 (talk) 22:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

They said in an interview to Russian MTV that they are playing "melodic punk". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eskimo Limon (talk • contribs) 15:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Reviews and Statements by the band don't count, only vaild 3rd party sources can be used in the article. Emo777 (talk) 08:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Viable sources can be wrong, MTV, Rolling Stone, AllMusic, and corperatoins like these have ruined the "emo" genre, they stick people who dress in black into a music genre. I don't know about you, but I think that is messed up. Emo is like Texas Is The Reason, Sunny Day Real Estate, or Sense Field. If you compare the music, most of these bands called "emo" sound nothing like it.--Samushi101 (talk) 07:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Why do you people care what MTV says stop being little drones MTV is not the only reffrence point available. 69.26.236.94 (talk)Tawny1 05:19 31 August 2008 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMptnlq1UVc -- Waterwaker (talk) 01:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

have you seen the videos? or hell, even heard the songs? theres a huge deal of emotion in these songs. emotional --Greenday21 (talk) 20:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

I agree they are not "screamo" or "emo"... although I hate them so much. MCR is a terrible band but they are NOT "emo". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanner9461 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

my grain of salt. This is emo. MCR doesn't seem like it to me. If one qualifies MCR as such, LP shoud be too, because hey, they make some damn emotional songs too. And Placebo, Green Day, and Goldfinger for the sake of it. Lloeki (talk) 07:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Tokio Hotel is NOT emo. this, or this IS emo.--Samushi101 (talk) 07:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

As much as I dislike MCR, I agree that they are neither Emo nor Screamo, they're just Alternative rock/pop punk (feel free to correct that). They've just been pinned as emo because the emo scene was on the rise when The Black Parade was released, people who didn't like that album decided it was "emo" either because a lot of "emos" listened to it, or because the album's sound is more poppy that MCR's previous work and apparently contains more emotional songs. Bear in mind that there are a lot of heavy metal bands that release emotional songs, and you wouldn't call them emo would you? This is why I think MCR should not be considered Emo. If you disagree with this, you are obviouly incapable of logic and lateral thinking. 13:03, 20 October 2008 (GMT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.51.235 (talk)

or msybe we can read the sources? --neon white talk 15:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism of Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge Page

On the Three Cheers For Sweet EMO Page some moron completely ruined it. I fixed up some of it but i don't have time to fix all of it, can someone finish cleaning up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akira112 (talk • contribs) 08:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

what do you mean? it seems normal to meAwqaw123123 (talk) 08:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

mcr are the worst pile of gash ever ^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ershin the Wise (talk • contribs) 12:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

TRL Award

The band won the "Best Band Award" at the 2007 Italian TRL Awards. Add this information in the list. --81.208.83.241 (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

New singles

Two singles have been added in the begining of the article, but it has no references. How do we know it's true? --Moraleh 18:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

We don't..I'm going to remove that.BlackMasks&Gasoline (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

In a few interviews on YouTube with Gerard Way and the rest of My Chemical Romance - they said that after the tour in the USA, they're going to be starting to write and record a new album. YAY!♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.16 (talk) 20:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Please try to stay relevant. Zazaban (talk) 20:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I hope i'm allowed to swear on this forum page. If not, oh well. THAT IS RELEVANT, ASSHOLE.

Got links? That would be helpful. We can assess whether or not it's genuine and note it in the article if appropriate. --rm 'w avu 21:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

No, sorry. I don't have any links. Just go on YouTube and search "MCR interviews" or "Gerard Way Interviews". You'll come accross at least one or two interviews of MCR theselves saying about a new album after their tour in the USA. Oh, I think it's on their site too. Maybe not though. Check it out.- ♥

In recent concerts, Gerard announced the third album's tentative title to be "Die. Slow.", should we put this in the article? Much like "The Rise and Fall of My Chemical Romance" it is likely not the final title.66.57.20.114 (talk) 23:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance already have three albums out - #1: I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love. #2: Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge. & #3: The Black Parade. It will be their fourth album coming, just to let you know. (L):)

No, not even close to enough information yet. Some have suggested that this is a reference to the Panic at the Disco album Pretty. Odd. and is just making fun of them and has nothing to do with an actual title for a new album. They have stated that they won't have plans to release an album for another year at least, it's too early to say anythimg solid yet.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 00:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if anything we should include it since Gerard himself said it himself.I mean, an alleged title from the band themselves, who haven't commented on it since, could be important unless they talk about it soon. Oh and if they're playing new songs it's hard to believe that the new album's a year or more away. By then they'll have played every song on the album. 66.57.20.114 (talk) 10:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

In a recent interview with Ray in Big Cheese magazine he said that the new songs may not even make the new album. They are just new songs to play. After this tour in the U.S. they will be going on a break for 6 months to a year and then they will begin working on a new album. That is why I say not to add anything. It's too early to start speculating. Not enough solid information.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 20:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Well if the new songs aren't released shouldn't they be released in the Live format much like Bury Me in Black? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.20.114 (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not reallly into that song. I really like MCR (especially The Black Parade + Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge). And I know that song is off of Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge, I just don't like it.. Loud and noisy. MCR can do bettter. Like, You Know What They Do To Guys Like Us In Prison. Favourite song ever. Love it to pieces. Aha, I know it's not relevant but I love talking about MCR. PS - happpy biirthdaay Geeeraard. ♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 22:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

If Gerard's joke title for the album can't be included why is his western joke (which is much more blatant and an intro for Hang Em High) allowed66.57.20.114 (talk) 15:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I know what you're referring to. I can't find that in this article.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 00:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

there are 2 new songs by MCR. they are fan named "The World Is Ugly" and "Stay". look them up on youtube if you dont believe me. they were both played in Hong Kong.

Youtube isn't a reliable source. Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 20:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

But it's obviously true. Much mcr fans know that song, and alot have listened it live. --Moraleh (talk) 04:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

someone said that "stay" is actually called "death wish"...is this true? if so can you change it plz Awqaw123123 (talk) 08:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it is, read here. Anyway, we're gonna wait until we can watch it on the next DVD. --Moraleh (talk) 01:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

It doesnt have a final title yet, My Chemical Romance have decided on a final name but are not going to reveal it until they are recorded, and these songs have been given temporary titles by fans of My Chemical Romance. --Frana27 (talk) 18:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

The two songs played in Hong Kong are supposedly going to be released in the next album. I was at a concert in austin, texas, and gerard talked about a new record coming with some cowboy songs. Thebluekazoo (talk) 22:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

This is not true, they have said this about other subjects aswell, stating that 'the next record will probably be about beards and crazy shit like that..' etc.

The new songs that My Chemical Romance have sung only at concerts have been named by fans as 'Stay Awake'/'Stay' and 'The World Is Ugly. My Chemical Romance have decided on the names of these songs already, but have decided not to tell fans yet until they are recorded, as they may still change the titles. The also have not confirmed whether or not these are going to be on their next album. I quote Gerard Way; 'We have decided on this songs name, and it has a really cool name. But im not gonna tell you what it is, because if we decide to change it, you guys will all go have a bitch about it..'. They also said they are going to have a break from touring, so that they can spend time with their families, before they start writing and recording for their fourth album. All this info is from their dvd 'The Black Parade Is Dead!' and music magazine interviews with the band. --Frana27 (talk) 18:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Where has everything gone?!

Helllo People! Where has all the discussions and goood arguments gone? What's up with that, now?!

This is not the place for "discussions" and "arguments." That's what a forum is for. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for information, and these talk pages are for discussing how to edit the material on the pages of the encyclopedia and how accurate they are.Stjimmy61892 12:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stjimmy61892 (talk • contribs)

This is random, but I don't know where else to stick it in: Could someone please change the part about the Black Parade is Dead! release date? It didn't come out on April 22, but no one has changed/removed the date yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.136.62 (talk) 17:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Talking about emo

It's OK that Wikipedia think talking about if MCR is emo or not isn't appropiate, but I think there should be an explanation about the reasons, so every people can know why MCR isn't emo or why Wikipedia think they aren't. (I know MCR theyself say they aren't emo, but I think there should be a more elaborated argument) --Moraleh 02:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately that is the only arguement as most verifiable sources call them that. --neonwhite user page talk 23:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, if that's all, I think we should delete the warni... oh! it's already deleted... =) --Moraleh (talk) 02:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Unless it was decided by an arbitration commitee then i don't think it can stand as it was in violation of WP:CCC policy. --neonwhite user page talk 12:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to bring up the usual argument for the 'not-emo' side, but anyway, I think that a band's genre can only truly be defined by them. I mean, everyone else throwing genres at them isn't the same as the band themselves saying it because only the band knows the genre and overall effect that they were aiming for. I think that because MCR is the band making the music, they have the right to determine what they should be classified as better than any critic. For that reason, I argue that MCR is not emo.

Oh, and another thing - if my argument is not good enough and the genre of 'emo' remains, I also suggest that it be changed to emo-rock because "emo" music is usually more towards the soft, less violent side, musically speaking. I'm no expert; that's just my perception, but I don't think MCR is "emo". As a compromise, perhaps "gothic rock"?

The bands genre can only be decided by verifiable sources and not personal opinion, this is wikipedia policy. There is no such thing as emo-rock and they certainly have never been called gothic rock in any sources that has been provided. --neonwhite user page talk 16:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Only proffesional critics can truly say what they are. MCR is a band, not a group of experts about music in general. --Moraleh (talk) 03:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

How does one become a professional critic? :p

In response to the comment above - there's no fucking way MCR is gothic rock, even if they would like to be known as such. Also, I'm pretty sure most emos would venture to say that emo is in fact a musical genre. When does the interpretation of many cease to be opinion and become verifiable fact? (At this point I think it's pretty much common knowledge among those that are not fans that MCR is an emo band) †Sƒ (talk) 17:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually some of theyr lyrics can be considerated "gothic" and they have influences of bands such as The Cure that is gothic rock, some songs do have a gothic rock sound. The solo of "To the End" it's an example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.40.19 (talk) 16:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

MCR have no emo influence in them. sad songs dont make a band emo. at all. Listen to rites of spring, moss icon, and sunny day real estate and lets see how similar they sound. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.189.82 (talk) 02:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

this article is an abomination. There is a difference from emo and emotional. Emo was a name for a style of hardcore punk and later for a style of indie rock influenced by the 1st emo. This is alternative/punk pop. And because kids who claim to be emo listen to them, doesnt make them emo.I know "emo" kids who think Linkin Park, AFI, or Green Day are emo. Does that make them emo? Musically, no. The emo trend is a totally different thing from the actual music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.189.82 (talk) 00:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

"There is a difference from emo and emotional." Bullshit, Emo and Emotional are the same thing, Emo is just shortend version of it. You need to look up the terms. "And because kids who claim to be emo listen to them, doesnt make them emo.I know "emo" kids who think Linkin Park, AFI, or Green Day are emo. Does that make them emo? Musically, no," well that's correct outside of wikipedia at least. Inside of wikipedia, however, we use varifiable and reliable sourses. ""This is alternative/punk pop," read WP:OR.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 12:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is a rock band,their generes are simply rock,maybe punk,and stuff like that but the word emo is not a genere. and thats it.period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Austynne (talk • contribs) 02:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is Pop-Rock. End of story. No one can post under me, for there is no more to argue. Have a nice day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.61.141 (talk) 00:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

If I formed a band and said we are a jazz rock band and then proceeded to perform death metal, what kind of band am I in? 125.238.109.133 (talk) 01:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

ok this is serius bullshit i try to clean up wikipedia by deleting emo fomr My chemical Romance's genres. i think we should be able to vote on whether or not MCR is emo. but as long as music reviewers contiue to call MCR emo, then there will always be emo in there genres. if the rolling stone or all music guide said that miley cyrus is hardcore punk, then u could put Hardcore Punk in her genres, even though we all know that she is not hardcore punk. i dont really care what genre Wikipedia says that MCR is i know that they never were emo and that they will never be emo. i personly think that they should be considered GOTH PUNK i know its not a real music genre but it sums up MCR pretty well, someone should put GOTH PUNK under therer genres, i have read articles in kerrang! or somethign that refered to them as Goth Punk-tq6993 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tq6993 (talk • contribs) 03:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Removing well sourced info is not 'cleaning up', it's disruptive. Wikipedia is not a democracy so we dont vote, decisions are made by consensus only. We don't add personal opinions to articles, wikipedia is a collection of info from reliable sources and in this case there are many varied sources to back up the info. Emo is whatever reliable sources say it is. The section Musical style and influences is a detailed account of their style of music, the infobox is an accurate summary of that. --neon white talk 03:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

What the fuck? personal opinions? ok first we need to think about what defines a bands genre, ik think the band mostly since THEY MAKE THE FUCKING MUSIC. also the fans, i think it is safe to say that if a musical artist says that they are not a cetain genre then they shouldnt be fucking classified as that genre. this whole thing is retarded. everybody knows that MCR is not emo, the only reason that emo is under their genres s becuase of retarded dipshit music reviews, and people who call MCr emo when all they know about emo is that most emo songs are about sad things. i have read an article calling MCR goth punk, if i could remember where i read i would put goth punk up there immediatley. i think we should be fair to people on both sides of the argumet and put Disputed Subgenres under there. also u fucking retarded ass-wipe i know that wikipedia iss not a democracy, i was just stating that a air way to determine this is to vote on. one last thing fuck off and die. Tq6993 (talk) 06:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Bands do not write articles about themselves (in fact, most couldn't care less about being pidgeon holed into specific genres) and neither do the fans. Music journalists define genres and that is why they are the correct sources to use. They are reliable second party sources and this is what wikipedia is based upon. It reflects the commonly held viewpoint backed up by sources. It's doesn't represent views of individual editors. 'Emo' is cited in major newspapers and magazines such as Rolling Stone, possibly the most respected music publication available. There is no evidence of any dispute. --neon white talk 17:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Most respected? It doesn't seems so to me: some Criticism, especially in the genre defining and recognition area. Besides "Consensus develops from agreement of the parties involved", not by taking outside sources as gospel. (btw I don't give a crap if it gets qualified as emo or not, as long as a reasonable consensus is reached, which is not the case) 82.244.102.52 (talk) 12:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Again, wikipedia is based on relaible sources not the personal opinions of editors. see WP:V for more details. --neon white talk 16:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

well i could care less what u say im done with this argument. im right and you are very very wrong, the argument is that MCR is emo, any true fan knows that MCR is not emo, i am a true fan and i know that My Chemical Romance is not emo, they never were emo, and that they never will be emo. so i win this argument i dont care what wikipedia says anymore i used to but now i couldnt care less. also there is no evidence of any dispute? wtf? scroll up!1 jesus that hwat this whole argument is abouT! how little u know about actual music is amusing, i dont care what genre u think MCR is. alos i wont be replying to u oanyone else anymore about this subject. also that last thing i said in my last post? i mean it. lolTq6993 (talk) 07:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me sir, but your "argument" is complete bullshit. You can't say that Wikipedia is wrong when Wikipedia is the one that makes the rules. Your argument seems to be solely based on personal opinion, one of the main things that Wikipedia avoids when it comes to sourcing claims. One last thing, I find it rather sad that you should take the decision of a genre of a band so personally, that you would wish someone dead.Pasta of Muppets (talk) 10:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Where's everything?!

Look in the Archive box --Moraleh (talk) 20:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to whoever deleted any of the information not from 2008. Like, i'm being serious, not sarcstic. It's so much easier to find things now. Thanks so much! =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 15:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Some Lockage Is Needed, Methinks

Guys, this REALLY needs to be locked Titan50 (talk) 12:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC) Yeah it does people don't need to be coming on here constintly messing it up and putting crap thats not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Austynne (talk • contribs) 02:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I think this talk page should be locked, unfortunately, that's not possible. Pasta of Muppets (talk) 10:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Screamo

I was told that before they went mainstream, MCR were a "screamo band". My friend, who apparently owns all of their albums, gave me this piece of information after jokingly stating "Screamo to emo!". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.37.23 (talk) 01:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC) they were a post-hardcore band Titan50 (talk) 11:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, clearly that's a false statement because MCR has never been emo. I don't think they're planning on ever becoming emo either because the band has stated that they think emo is "fucking garbage" (from an interview on FUSE TV).

I think the best classification for there original sound prior to signing with Warner would probably be simply indie rock. --neonwhite user page talk 13:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

get this section out of here. MCR's not screamo! EVER —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.217.129 (talk) 19:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Listen to Silverstein. Listen to MCR. Yool get it. --SKiPMacD (talk) 16:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You're right. I will get that there is nothing similar about the two bands. Silverstein is screamo. And My Chemical Romance is not screamo OR emo. =) I love MCR and will stand by their side for the rest of my life that they are not emo. _♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.129.52 (talk) 01:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC) you all are wrong because silverstien is post-hardcore not screamo, wow i didn't know that wikipedia is full of such stupid and ignorant people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.108.147.195 (talk) 04:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

What the hell?my chemical romance are not 'screamo'!the only time gerard ever screamed was on 'i'm not okay(i promise)',and that was barely a scream.on last.fm,however 'screamo',is one of the most popular tags for mcr.what the fuck??? silverstein are not what i'd consider screamo,when it comes to screamo i got one word:saetia

"the only time gerard ever screamed was on 'i'm not okay(i promise)',and that was barely a scream." Uh, listen to their first album. Between Gerard and Frank (Frank mainly), there's a good share of screaming. Not exactly screamo, maybe the watered-down (i guess "Second Wave") "screamo" like Hawthorne Heights (not really screamo) or The Used (again, not screamo.)Cryotoguy (talk) 04:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed genres for the infobox

This needs looking at as it's completely irregular and doesn't comply with the manual of style or policy. The list should be of genre's that they have been called in verifiable sources, as far as i can see there is no cited dispute so the infobox contains original research by editors. So i propose that well sourced genres should be add : -

Pop punk based on [1] Emo based on [2][3]

feel free to add some more but i think it's best limited to four or five. In the end it needs simply to relate what the verified sources say and ignore personal opinion to comply with WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:OR --neonwhite user page talk 23:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Put down Pop Punk/Alternative/Post-Hardcore. --SKiPMacD (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

if you put down alternative rock,i think everyone will be happy.anyone else will just be controversial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirvanarox55 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

i think we should put disputed subgenres under it or put GOTH PUNK under there genres, i have read articles/interviews/reviews that have called My Chemical Romance GOTH PUNK. Tq6993 (talk) 06:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Pop punk.

This genre sums MCR up perfectly, Plus it ends all this "Emo" "Alternative" "Hardcore" nonsense

It's already been done on FOB's page so why not here?

I actually agree with you. However some... placed back the "EMO" in the page. FOB and MCR, in my opinion are both Punk Rock, not emo. ~antonotaku~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonotaku (talk • contribs) 13:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

They are a Pop band after all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.200.3 (talk) 16:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

They are not pop. Lets jus keep it where it is. Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}Userboxes 18:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't they describe themselves as "Vile and dangerous POP"? Plus the fact they play pop music.

- Um they are pop, I'm afraid; generic song structure and simple chord progressions, coupled with the fact they are quite frequently played on the radio (as pop is a mere reference to popular music). In any case I think the citation to the website describing them as 'post-hardcore' should be removed. The website is vague in nature and seems to have just listed genres at any whim. Anyone who knows anything about the genre of post-hardcore knows that MCR certainly aren't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.150.162 (talk) 19:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

In an interview by NME, Gerard Way states that they are not emo, they are "violent and aggressive pop." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebluekazoo (talk • contribs) 00:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is not emo. They are classified as rock, alternative rock, punk rock, etc.. depending on what song or album youre looking at. They have stated many times that they are not emo, never have, and never will be, no matter what journalists and newspapers say. So could someone take out the 'emo' in the genre [in the infobox]. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frana27 (talk • contribs) 08:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

What???? Pop Punk??? They don't sound anything like FOB.....I remember in that interview he sayd that they'r a rock band...and some times..only some songs are "violent, agressive or dangerous pop". As for pop punk as main genre it is absolutely not! You should refer it but not as a main genre. --Horror Punk Ed (talk) 13:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

They should be mentioned as Alternative Rock and not Pop Punk or Emo maybe Post-Hardcore. THEY ARE NOT EMO!!!!!!!!! --Adozenlies97 (talk)

Is this page biased?

It seems like it is written entirely by obsessive fans or "Haters". Plus loads of people in the discussion section, seem to professes to being massive fans...

I think teenage girls and angry metalheads, should leave the editing to non-biased people like myself.

Plus "Alternative rock" is suited to not dealing with the style of music MCR play. The whole genre thing should be left to people who have knowledge on the subject, not Obsessive fans.

1 vote for "Pop Punk" here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.200.3 (talk) 16:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Err, I don't think they sound like Fall Out Boy/All Time Low. 99.162.100.253 (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I dont have any real problems with the POV of the page perhaps you can state some parts you feel are a problem and the genre thing should be left to verifiable sources. I too disagree with 'Alternative rock', there is no citation for it. --neonwhite user page talk 01:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree that you should include here what you think may be biased and we can look at it. There also is no original research here on Wikipedia. Saying you have knowledge of the subject isn't good enough to be able to include something in an article. There needs to be sources. I have went through the sources already provided in the genre section and have found allmusic lists them as alternative rock. There is also a definition of the genre provided on the website here.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 01:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic has never been considered the most reliable source for this kind of thing and it does contradict their description. 'they are all tied together since they existed outside of the mainstream' doesnt desribe this band' The amount of sources available and their chart success suggests a mainstream band. --neonwhite user page talk 02:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

It says "they existed outside of the mainstream". They weren't always mainstream. Their first album was independent and pretty underground.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 03:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That is true. --neonwhite user page talk 16:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it is very biased. Look at this:

My Chemical Romance's music has been described by the media as "pop punk", "alternative rock", "post-hardcore", emo, and "punk revival". The band themselves described their music as simply "rock" or "violent, dangerous pop" on their official website, as well as rejecting the term "emo" to describe their style. Although a source quotes frontman Gerard Way stating that they are "What-else-ya-got-emo", Way has recently stated in an interview that they were never emo, as he says emo is "a pile of shit."

How many references do you need every time the word "emo" is mentioned? Pasta of Muppets (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Whilst common sense applies, there is no limit to the amount of references allowed for any given piece of information. I fail to see why you think this passage is biased in any way. Can you elaborate? --neon white talk 01:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's obvious, isn't it? This band, along with Fall Out Boy and Panic at the Disco are probably the most well known bands related to the controversy of the "emo" genre. Because it's so hotly "debated" ("debate" is a stretch) as to if these bands are "emo" or not, it seems that any mention of the word "emo" must be tagged with numerous sources, just to prove one party of the "debate" that they are blatantly wrong. Even Adolf Hitler's page has less sources per paragraph, yet he is far more debatable than a rock band. Pasta of Muppets (talk) 10:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

The amount of sources doesnt change the neutrality of an article or passage. The fact is there is no controversy that can be sourced maybe amongst a few label obsessed idiot teen fans with little better to do but they arent important enough to matter. --neon white talk 17:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I can see your point, actually, on 'overloading' citations to make it appear one POV is more previalant than another. I'm going to check out policy on this. --neon white talk 14:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Policy or not I think it should only be reduced to one citation at least in the infobox. To me it almost seems like beating a dead horse. It's sourced by a reliable source that their music is considered emo and by adding more sources for one genre I don't think it makes it more definitive. I think the number definitely should be reduced. I don't think it looks good to have tons of citations on one genre.  Orfen  ^T • _C 17:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

We dont really need any citations in the infobox as it is supposedly a summary of the 'styles' section which contains the relevant sources. I think the above editor was questioning whether the multiple listed sources in that ection add weight to that genre over others. I know they are there to try and stop the vandalism (unsuccessfully in most cases). Potentially it may came under Wikipedia:NPOV#Article_structure. --neon white talk 18:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think any amount of citations will stop people from changing or removing the genre. I think that this may fall under the second bullet though of Wikipedia:NPOV#Article structure.  Orfen  ^T • _C 19:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Criticism

I think that a large amount of information contained in the "criticism" section is unnecessary. I dont think its needed, as its more of speculation rather than factual information.--SilverOrion (talk) 12:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Please provide some examples and then it can be discussed if it should be removed or not.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 23:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It should be noted some way that My Chem really doesn't take influence from Marylin Manson in the least bit. Their dark themes are based on The Misfits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SKiPMacD (talk • contribs) 16:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Stop changing the genres to personal opinions

Against the rules, dude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaze7755 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC) The march had far fewer people, i was there and there were at most 80 people and only about 20-25 after a few hours because of sabotage by /b/ and them lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.108.214 (talk) 12:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Absolutepunk.net

Is that page a valid source? I mean, can we trust in what they say? --Moraleh (talk) 23:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

In all my experience with the website they are generally the first to release information and in my experience it has been right. They were the first source we had to say the title for the new DVD was The Black Parade is Dead! and that it is 2 DVDs and a CD. It also had which shows were filmed for the DVD. They also had information about The Black Parade before it came out. I believe they have connections to the label or the bands themselves. I'm pretty sure the information comes somewhere close to the band but I don't use the website regularily and a quick skim through the website and related Wikipedia article didn't show much results. It has been used in the past and from what I have seen the only things that fluctuate are the release dates which can always be pushed back.  Orfen  ^T • _C 00:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. They said MCR was going to release two new sigles, and if someone want to add that to the article, look at here --Moraleh (talk) 22:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Well that page is from last year and the last single they released was in July 2007. I think its a bit outdated since they are talking about a new album and stuff...If ya know what i mean. Thanks Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 22:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I also believe that was in reference to the "Mama" single which was rumored to be one of them but since the time has come and gone I'd disregard it. I believe there are other articles on other websites saying that "Mama" was to be a single and that Gerard was to direct the video but it must have not gotten past planning. I know Billboard.com still has the single listed that it has released in November.  Orfen  ^T • _C 23:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Emo, emo

Well, if someones think they are emo, well, it could be, and we have sources, but we don't need to fill the Background information box with too many sources. I'm gonna put 'em on the genres section. --Moraleh (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably a good idea, the infobox only needs be a summary of the article, usually it stops some 'genre fiddling' but it probably will have little effect in this case. --neonwhite user page talk 14:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yesterday emo wasn't even in the info box..but it seems emos is back there today.....I don't think tha MCR are emo at all...they surely have emo influences but no emo.....at all! Still there are sources (biased sources like MTv) who call them emo......Whell in my though..alternative rock and post hardcore describe well their music now and before....you should refer emo in the article but not as a main genre of My Chem........Just said....--Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 14:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on verifiable sources not one editor's personal opinion. They are widely considered an emo band, this is all that matters. --neonwhite user page talk 16:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

You know and we both know that they are often called emo as a kind of slang and not a a musical genre sometimes by the ones o hate them.....as for genre I call them emo sometimes...so if we are only anda only refering to the musical genre that was formed from the wave of post-hardcore than I totaly agree that is one of their genres..so you are right, wikipedia is based on verifiability...! --Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 13:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to say that I am a very very big fan of the band, I really love their music and style...and even I can see emo influences on them....and sometimes I say they have more emo songs...only musically speaking...and there is also a lot of misjudgement an wrong ideas about what emo really is.--Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

yes generally by unimformed editors of this article but not by music journalists who define genres. --79.68.104.75 (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The emo genre in the box in the top-right on the page needs to be taken down. They're NOT emo! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 15:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Verifiability. Wikipedia doesn't claim to be the truth. --neon white talk 15:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Emo? wtf is wrong with being labeled as emo? all those "suicidal-melodramatic teenage kids" is just some shitty stereotype by the mainstream, emo is WAY BETTER than how the media and the internet portrays them, now sure they reject that term, but the "emo" that the people know about is a mislabeling of pop punk bands with a more vengeful tone in their lyrics, and imo their isn't any problem with being labeled as emo.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.97.73 (talk) 10:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

im telling everyone that i will be deleting emo everytime i visit wikipedia, just like i have done with avril lavgine (she is not pop punk!) the band has said that the are not emo. we should respect the band and not classifie them as emo. i personally think they should be considered GOTH PUNK.-Tq6993 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tq6993 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

And your talk page is warning you that you will be blocked from editing if you do. Wikipedia is not a fan page and is not based on your, or anyone elses, personal opinions. It's based on verifiable sources. This info is widely sourced in highly reliable sources. --neon white talk 23:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

About 'Goth Punk' cite it with a reliable third-party source and that will be fine. Landon1980 (talk) 23:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

In many interviews Gerard himself has said that they are not emo and have never been emo. Look it up!! Im tired of seeing "EMO" on the genres box —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemrom (talk • contribs) 03:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

It's sourced. get over it. --neon white talk 10:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

"Wikipedia is based on verifiable sources not one editor's personal opinion. They are widely considered an emo band, this is all that matters." /br No, Wikipedia is based on facts, My Chemical Romance has said themselves they are not emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by La4hi (talk • contribs) 19:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Sister To Sleep

This is just a question of interest. My Chemical Romance have a demo, or a live song, called Sister To Sleep which I have downloaded, although I can't find its original source or any information on the song itself. Is this song a cover, or is it just an unreleased demo? Someone please shed some light. Revenge24 (talk) 07:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It was written for the freddy vs. jason soundtrack around the time of the movies. icelandic hurricane #12_(talk) 02:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes..it's a live performance, that song whas to be in the freddy v.s jason soundtrack....I´ts a good song I loved if they would make a studio version...but yoknow --Horror Punk Ed (talk) 17:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Mmm yeah it'd be good if they re-released it or something. Revenge24 (talk) 18:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

It is an unreleased live song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebluekazoo (talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Its only ever been played once, can be found on the soundtrack as others have said, and websites that have lyrics have this song and its lyrics under the 'other songs' title, e.g.: plyrics.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frana27 (talk • contribs) 08:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it has been played twice. I can't say the dates or where, because I have a horrible memory, but I have both live versions played, and the lyrics change, but they are basically the same song, same chorus. Thebluekazoo (talk) 22:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

mcr are emo get over it ^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ershin the Wise (talk • contribs) 12:57, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Of course they're emo. Anything scene kids listen to are considered emo, because everything just HAS to be such. Emo isn't even real emo anymore; we made our own genre out of an already existing one. Fuck Wikipedias bullshit standards, it's fucking stupid. If sources say the sky is green should we change that? Fucking idiots. Blindeffigy (talk) 13:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Um to Blindeffigy. If thats true then we need to go change Misfits page to EMO and not Punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.26.236.94 (talk) 08:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Image???

We need an image of the band in this page.....please is there someone that has a free image of the band to put here..?--Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

There's now an image up. It's an alright one. The band has better. But, thanks to whoever posted it! ♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 15:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Validity of the sources on emo

Taking another look through the sources of the emo genre I would like to know everyones opinions on them. The first source at Rolling Stone says "Scary-sad punk that lives up to emo's unspoken promise" and I'm not sure if that is necessarily calling them emo because it goes on to say "...their music is a weirdly catchy hybrid of goth, glam, metal and punk." which doesn't list emo. The second source is the allmusic source which clearly lists them as emo I'd say it is valid. The third source it says use the search engine but when I try to use it then it says I do not have permission. Could anyone find a specific article on Shoutmouth calling them emo? The fourth source is an MTV source that says they were emo before Three Cheers but not any longer. Are we looking to include every genre in the box they once were or their current genres? The fifth source the MTV source the only mention of emo is not by a professional writer but by Steve, leader of MCRmy, the official MCR street team. It says "My Chemical Romance are above and beyond the best band to come out of the punk/emo/post-hardcore scene." While I think the allmusic source is valid I am not sure about the others and would like opinions on the other sources.  Orfen  ^T • _C 16:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is not emo. They are classified as rock, alternative rock, punk rock, etc.. depending on what song or album youre looking at. They have stated many times that they are not emo, never have, and never will be, no matter what journalists and newspapers say. So could someone take out the 'emo' in the genre [in the infobox]. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frana27 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on verifiable sources not your personal opinion. --neon white talk 15:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Genres are usually include to represent the entire bands catalogue. I actually was under the impression that it was the Rolling Stone bio [4] that was cited in this article which is pretty unambiguous about it. "In the new millennium My Chemical Romance brought the angsty punk sub-genre known as "emo" to the mainstream masses." "MCR became the Top Ten's first emo superheroes within three years of forming." etc. I suggest this replaces the current source. There are also many other sources that aren't included in the article such as NME who refer to the them as such in countless articles (search on their site) and Village Voice [5], Daily Mail [6]. I dont think the allmusicguide source mentions it at all. --neon white talk 23:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah the allmusic source has it listed in their genre box. I agree though to use those sources instead. I think we should use an NME, allmusic, and perhaps Village Voice. I think the Daily Mail thing is a whole other thing by itself. While it calls them emo I'd call it more criticism so I think we should keep that in the criticism section or another appropriate section. It seems more of a direct criticism of the band and not really them researching the band's music they play. I think we should look to use more reviews of the music than articles because then we may be running into people talking about their clothing style and the way they present themselves rather than the music which is what we want to cover.  Orfen  ^T • _C 02:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Also I would like to add that we should use the Rolling Stone source you provided as well.  Orfen  ^T • _C 02:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't really think that the 'genre boxes' at AMG are that verfiable, there's no real indication as to how they are done, if they are simple arbitrary or if there is any editorial oversight, however i do believe the reviews and bios are considered reliable. Considering there are already enough sources this is probably the least verfiable. I think the Daily Mail and, in fact, pretty much all the UK newspapers which have covered similar stories (i'll list them below) is good proof that the media consider them to be emo. But the best source is Rolling Stone. --neon white talk 16:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

• The Independent - "Emo (which is short for emotional) music, is described as "punk with emotion", and has been made popular by bands like My Chemical Romance, whose album The Black Parade topped the charts."[7]
• The Guardian - "...My Chemical Romance, the emo band who reconditioned poppy gothic rock for the 21st century..." [8]
• The Observer - "...US pop-punk emo bands such as My Chemical Romance..." [9]
• BBC = "..emo superstars My Chemical Romance..." [10]
• The Times = "...while accusing the American emo band My Chemical Romance of encouraging suicide..." [11]

--neon white talk 16:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I should point out, as I have before, that each of these articles (except the observer) is not written by a music reviewer and the opinion of someone who's unqualifed should be taken with a grain of salt. They're written by tabloid writers. The Guardian writer hasnt written a music article in 15 years and managed to get it through to the music section because basically, she decided to have a whinge about the fashions of emo. There's near nothing about the music, other than reminiscing about Iggy Pop in his heyday. Can we start being rational about the assertions of style based on the reliability of the actual article writers? Editors don't care, they'll let whatever in, and if the article writer is ill-informed (as it seems many of these are), they'll call them emo. To throw a new chicken to the pen, I'll say that it should be noted in the article about the common misconception. I mean, calling these guys emo is like calling Mozart's compositions Baroque music (or, to be more abstact and left of centre, to call Arcangelo Corelli's music Classical music). The moment you do that, you'll have a thousand classical music critics screaming at you. For the same reason, you can't call a band what they aren't. Call a spade a spade, sure, but don't call it a club. --rm 'w avu 10:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

It doesnt matter who wrote them, they were all published in verifiable sources, that's all we need to know. None of those sources are tabloids, The Times is a broadsheet, i believe, and the Observer and Guardian berliners. It is not up to us to pick and choose what sources we like and don't like based on our personal views about the sources or the journalists who wrote them. Wikiepdia reflects the mainstream common view. Articles should be edited from a purely objective viewpoint with no prior conceptions using the verifiable sources available. There is no evidence of any common misconception, that seems like your personal view and nothing else, as far as wikipedia is concerned if it comes from reliable sources it's fact. If enough reliable sources considered mozart to be part of the baroque movement then that would be permissable too. --neon white talk 16:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe what the user means by noting the common misconception is saying how MCR rejects the term emo which is already stated in the musical styles section further down in the article. Also I'm pretty sure that you'd be able to find sources of people rejecting that MCR is emo. If the previous discussions have been any evidence the term is disputed and I'm pretty sure you'd be able to find some sources about it. So if you want to do it I'm sure there wouldn't be a problem with perhaps expanding the appropriate section if you find reliable sources.  Orfen  ^T • _C 04:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Music genres are purely media defined concepts, so to hold the opinion that they are a wrong or misconceived based on one's individual view is absurd. I don't think you'd find any reliable sources, people dont usually write what bands arent. --neon white talk 15:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

This is ridiculous, how is this even up for debate? The emo sources meet the criteria of WP:RS and that is all that matters, none of our opinions matter. Landon1980 (talk) 18:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the debate is firmly over. Maybe we need a FAQ listing the multiple sourcess? --neon white talk 17:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is not emo or Post-Hardcore

They are neither. listen to actual bands of the genres; Funeral Diner-Emo, Alesana-Post-Hardcore They are Alternative Rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by Postcore (talk • contribs) 03:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that person above :) and for the million and third fucking time, they're not emo.

They are sourced as emo so it stays in the infobox. Your opinion isn't worth anything as far as wikipedia is concerened. It prefers sources over opinion. Read WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 13:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not easy finding sources that say they're not emo. It's such a vague genre that if any band dresses even simular to what people say emos dress like then they call that band emo rock. MCR are not emo, emo rock is full of heavy guitar styles and screaming, MCR are just alternative or punk rock, not emo. For example, i've found websites that said evenescence are emo, if you've ever heard them their not even close, same with this band.Emo777 (talk) 06:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

First off, Emo is punk or rather a subgenre of punk. Emo stands for Emotional Hardcore Punk Rock. As for finding sources that say they are not emo, it wouldn't make any difference if you did. In all honesty I do not believe they are emo but my opinion doesn't matter. Wikipedia wants sources, not user opinion. As for Evanescence, I havn't seen any sources that refer to them as emo. If you have them add it to their article.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 22:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I know that Emo is a subgerne of punk rock, but it's not completely punk. Also, just because you see websites that people post saying a band is a type of genre dosen't make them so, cause if you've ever heard of evanescence you'd know that they're not emo. Lastly, I know that I know a source to say that MCR is not emo, I've never toached the info. box, that was someone else who kept taking it out. Emo777 (talk) 17:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

If sources say they are, then they are. Regardless this is not the page to discuss it. Try Talk:Evanescence. --neon white talk 16:48, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I know that Evaneescence is not emo on the count of I listen to their music. Same with MCR. However MCR has been called emo by varifiable and reliable sources, so as far as wikipedia is concerned the are emo just as much as they are any other genre that can be sourced. This doesn't mean I agree with it. They are just policy and guidline. Not every thing on wikipedia is true because truth is not needed for inclusion. Only a source is.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 18:39, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

However if reliable sources can be found that say they aren't and reliable sources can be found saying they are, doesn't that make the genre disputed? That should at least be covered in the appropriate section if reliable sources can be found. I am not trying to say take emo out, I'm just saying that if reliable sources are found then they should be covered. If the genre is disputed that is something important to note on Wikipedia. It shouldn't make it seem as if there is consensus over the whole music community that it is agreed upon that they are emo if sources are found saying they are not.  Orfen  ^T • _C 20:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

"However if reliable sources can be found that say they aren't and reliable sources can be found saying they are, doesn't that make the genre disputed? That should at least be covered in the appropriate section if reliable sources can be found," I can agree with this at least but it should be covered in the appropriate section which would be style.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 13:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe it is covered. --neon white talk 17:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

It is covered that the band rejects the term emo. I was saying that if sources could be found saying the genre is disputed between reliable sources then it should be mentioned. Yes, it should be mentioned in the style section if reliable sources were found.  Orfen  ^T • _C 04:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

If enough sources could be found disputing My Chemical Romance being an emo band, it could definitely be listed as disputed, however, based on the amount of sources out there saying otherwise, you would need A LOT of sources for this in order to dispute it. James25402 (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey I am sorry I have mentioned this once before and I don't intend to be flaming or anything. But the source that wikipedia is using for this MCR article is really quite laughable. Firstly the site is entitled 'allmusic', and reeks of subjectivity:

"My Chemical Romance rose from the East Coast underground to the forefront of modern rock talent during the mid-2000s...My Chemical Romance has roots in catastrophe, as frontman Gerard Way decided to form the band after watching New York's Twin Towers collapse on September 11th, 2001..." - http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:mw98b5p4psq4

It writes the article in a worryingly subjective fashion, it sounds like a low level feature article, running straight into the controversial and seemingly unecessary.

It proceeds to get worse (this is actually the humorous and/or laughable section):

"Genre: Rock

Styles: Punk Revival, Post-Hardcore, Punk-Pop, Alternative Pop/ Rock, Emo

Moods: Energetic, Intense, Rousing, Reflective, Gritty, Fiery, Aggressive, Tense/Anxious, Cathartic, Rambunctious, Rowdy, Dramatic, Fractured, Earnest, Suffocating, Confrontational, Acerbic, Manic, Cynical/ Sarcastic"

It lists only ONE genre "Rock". It then states the 'style' (a subjective and highly vague term), which is where the 'emo' and 'post-hardcore' comes in. It doesn't state 'sub-genre' all though it is so vague it could be interpreted that way.

It then lists the 'moods'. Now I find this quite ridicolous, have you ever seen anyone try to list the moods of music before? How would one describe the moods of artists like Amadeus Mozart, Liszt or Beethoven. It's ridicolous, music is how the listener perceives it and many different moods may be associated with it. Some of them don't even border on moods, I've never been in a suffocating mood, nor have I ever been in the mood of 'fractured'.

Now whilst I am not saying that they aren't these genres (all though I do have my own oppinions). This site sure as hell shouldn't have a say. I personally think that this reference is uncitable. I mean for the love of GOD, why this half-baked website? I'm sure there are millions of properly developed websites or the like which call them 'emo'. The article seems like it was constructed in a rush. The sub-section which this is listed in seems a bit superfolous in any case; a bit more than a paragraph which adds very little objectivity - more so peoples oppinions.

I just felt this should be discussed, as elsewhere such pathetic sources wouldn't be used on wikipedia.

--58.84.142.186 (talk) 14:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic (formerly All Music Guide) is a highly respected and verifiable source produced by industry professionals. --neon white talk 17:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

--- Hmmm upon reading that I can hardly press it any further. But perhaps more than ONE source could used for the genre's? I just find it a quite laughable listing the moods of a band, not to mention "post-hardcore" labelling. It should really be taken with a grain of salt. --58.84.131.91 (talk) 14:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I propose the term 'Wndrful-Postcore'. You deserve a stick up your ASS if you don't agree their so 'original'' they deserve their very own, new genre!.

--- I'll have to make a correction, I actually meant 'butt' like so: stickbuttfuck, that way, I think that's right. Any further corrections?

MCR's Picture

The first picture on the article looked better befiore it was changed to the HMV one, I think. Just my views, thanks! 81.151.222.185 (talk) 17:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Protection

The page is currently protected because of a wild internet rumor about the death on one of the band's members. At this point there appear to be no reliable sources confirming the death. It appears to be just as likely, if not more so, that this whole thing is some sort of joke/hoax. Until/unless there is reliable confirmation, it is not appropriate to place any sort of mention on the page, and thus the protection. Please see here for the ongoing discussions and attempts to verify the situation one way or another. - TexasAndroid (talk) 20:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems like a serious over-reaction to me. There hasn't been any major vandalism, in fact only one single edit in relation to it in the last week. --neon white talk 00:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

One edit on this page. One edit on each of several other MCR pages, and a slew of edits on Way's own page. On the other periferal pages, I gave them 48 hour protections each. As for this one, that was Swatjester's call as to protection length. If you asked him on his talk page, you might be able to persuade him to unprotect this one, as I think that the hoax attack is mostly over. I suspect that Way's own page will need to remain protected for another day or two, though. And the ones that I protected will expire on their own sometime tomorrow. - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

That hoax has been around for several years and there has never been significant edits based on it. Far better to deal with individual editors (we are really talking about one SPA editor here Lordsuthers) and individual articles than to protect handfulls of pages some of which have no need to be protected. It's pretty irregular. --neon white talk 21:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Please make the Genres clearer

Hi! I just to make a request. Please change the 'Emo' into something like 'Disputed Genres'. Why? According to the 'Criticism' section of the article, the frontman, Gerard Way, said that Emo is a pile of S***. He is saying that they are not Emo. Whilst there are journalists classifying MCR as Emo. There are some fans enraged because the Emo is on the infobox. Plus the band classifies itself as Rock. I personally see that 'Disputed Genres' is more appropriate. Linking the 'Disputed Genres' to the Musical Style section would be appropriate. This will also show the other genres linked to the band. Antonotaku (talk) 10:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)Antonotaku

As far as i know all the genres are cited in multiple sources (see the section of Musical Style and the discussions above). The band's opinion is not relevant, only second and third party sources are of note. There is no evidence of any such dispute. Please note also that wikipedia is not censored. --neon white talk 18:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh the fact that Gerard Way states that Emo is a pile of S*** is already an argument. That may mean that he is disputing it. My friend, who is a hard-core MCR fan does not like the recent change. He also want that it should 'Disputed Genres' should be placed. Some fans see the 'Emo' thing as a vandal by the band's critics. I also don't think that doing it is censoring. I think that would bring more clarity. Antonotaku (talk) 13:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Antonotaku

He isnt a verifiable second or third party source, regardless reporting of his opinion is included in the article. As i have said there is no evidence of a dispute, the reliable sources are multiple and quite clear, there is no problem with clarity in the article and unless your friend is a known expert in the musical field then his or her opinion is not important. See WP:VANDALISM for an explaination on what vandalism is and what it is not. It certainly is not anything you disagree with. This is being based on a large amount of reliable sources. it is a POV that is both considerable and verifiable. --neon white talk 23:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I found the citation of Gerard's statement about his band's genre it is on the Musical Style section. "....as well as rejecting the term "emo"...". I got your point about the censoring, however I think that it should be "emo (Disputed by Gerard Way)". Is that okay?

No, his view still is not relevant. --neon white talk 15:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

His view is not entirely irrelevant, but here it does seem to be against the consensus of suitable references, and there's obvious issues about his objectivity on this. If I were being unkind, I might also observe that the two claims weren't entirely inconsistent, either... Alai (talk) 17:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd count his view as a non-independent primary source. It's ok to include in the article because it can be source but isn't relevant in an article summary. --neon white talk 23:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

What if we found a reliable 3 party source that said they're genre was disputed? Then could we list them as Rock (disputed subgenres) or something? I don't have a source that says that or anything, but if we could find one could we list them as disputed subgenres?Emo777 (talk) 07:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

It would still likely be a fringe view that could be mentioned but wouldnt belong in a summary. --neon white talk 14:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

What if we kept Emo up their but instead put Emo(disputed)? Would that work out? Emo777 (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

No, we can't invent that it is disputed because we don't agree with the sources. --neon white talk 22:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Bullets

• I've heard that Frank Iero only plays guitar on a few tracks on I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love. Does anybody which songs they are? FallenWings47 21:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

He plays on Demolition Lovers and Early Sunsets Over Monroeville. Every My Chemical Romance fan should know that. They mention that many times in Life On Thr Murder Scene —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.179.24 (talk) 20:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

• • Well, I knew about "Early Sunsets", I just wasn't sure on the other one. In the booklet of the limited edition of The Black Parade, Ray Toro states he plays bass on a handful of songs (one being, "Cancer") but does anybody know any others? FallenWings47 18:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually most of the songs on Bullets have a second guitar added in by Ray, Frank does not explicitly tell us which two tracks he played, but he did confirm he played for Early Sunsets Over Munroeville on Life On The Murder Scene. Demolition Lovers however is speculated to be the other song he played on.Blkeddie! (talk) 14:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Tour Section

I think that the "Tours" section needs some work. Some of the larger tours need to be expanded a little, and some of the smaller tours (partucularly Warped Tour '05) probably don't need to be there. Rwiggum (^Talk/_Contrib) 13:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, For the Projekt Revolution tour, Id like to see ALL of the bands Listed, like Julien-k.

74.72.241.193 (talk)Julien-kRoxMyPants74.72.241.193 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 14:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC).

Where did they get their name from?

I heard it was from Ecstasy: Three Tales of Chemical Romance, is that true? Anxietycello (talk) 17:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah if i remember on the Life on the murder scene DVD it was mikey who got it. Jakisbak (talk) 20:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

and you remember well..Thats absolutely true..Mikey got the name! --Horror Punk Ed (talk) 13:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

THE BLACK PARADE IS DEAD

they latter made a dvd called the Black Parade is EMO which came out July 1, 1989 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sk8cake (talk • contribs) 16:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes they did, and it is in there...Jakisbak (talk) 10:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the band definitely released a dvd when they were around 10. They are just that awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.18.37.141 (talk) 18:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

History

I notice about a third of the history section is missing? Zazaban (talk) 02:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I readded the Early Career section from the September 1 edit by JForget. I'm not sure where exactly it was lost.  Orfen  ^T • _C 03:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

MCR are emo!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.129.194.48 (talk) 09:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Redirection

Ray Toro's article redirects to this article. Why? 207.255.85.121 (talk) 20:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

It fails Wikipedia's policies. Jakisbak (talk) 20:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I've redirected two more members that seem to fail WP:MUSIC, Mikey Way and Bob Bryar‎ don't seem to have any notability outside the band, the only two that conceivable should have a seperate page are Frank Iero on the basis of belonging to at least one other notable band and Gerard Way on the basis of well sourced info and other projects. What do you think? --neon white talk 08:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest that you find consensus first then redirect. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 08:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing controversial about this. The guidelines are clear. --neon white talk 14:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Correct. Neither article asserts any notability for either musician. Being part of a notable band does not make a person notable. Nouse4aname (talk) 15:01, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Marilyn Manson

It seems to me that the song wasn't actually about MCR, should this still be mentioned? Zazaban (talk) 19:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

it is sourced in Ultimate-Guitar.com --neon white talk 13:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Bob, Mikey and Ray's pages?!

WHERE HAVE THEY GONE?! ;__; —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.27.106 (talk) 11:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

They no longer have pages, they were redirected here because they fail to assert notability under WP:MUSIC guidelines. The discussion can be viewed here any sourced info about these subjects can be added to this article. --neon white talk 12:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

change MCR picture

the leading picture of my chemical romance does not have a picture of RAY OR FRANK in it!!! I suggest that people change that picture so you can see the rest of the awesome band that is MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alix+juniper (talk • contribs) 23:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Sources for genres

Are there not any more reliable sources out there than allmusic? A lot of editors dispute content when allmusic is the only reference to back it up. I'm not saying any of the genres are wrong, but if they are all verifiable other sources out there should agree. I added one for emo, and will look for others later tonight if I have the time. After all allmusic is notoriously unreliable, in a lot of cases no one else agrees with them. I hate when one genre is listed along with 10 styles and they are all put up as genres in the infobox. I like having a review from a reliable source, not just a database spitting out a bunch of stuff. Landon1980 (talk) 17:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

They should be on this page somewhere or in the archives. --neon white talk 00:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Why emo should not be under the genre section

http://media.www.mainecampus.com/media/storage/paper322/news/2007/09/20/Style/My.Chemical.Romance.Talks.To.The.campus-2979744.shtml TMC: I understand you don't really like the term emo to describe your music. Is there anything you'd like to say about that? GW: Basically, it's never been accurate to describe us. Emo bands were being booked while we were touring with Christian metal bands because no one would book us on tours. I think emo is F--ing awsome, it's a shame. I think there's bands that unfortunately we get lumped in with that are considered emo and by default that starts to make us emo. All I can say is anyone actually listening to the records, put the records next to each other and listen to them and there's actually no similarities. I think emo's a pile of O.K.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lighthouse1083 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

The bands POV is noted in the styles section, however it isnt an important view compared to reliable sources. --neon white talk 00:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

How is an interview from the band *not* a reliable source. The bands view of themselves *should* be the most important view.--Lighthouse1083 (talk) 00:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

No, it is a view and not one of much note. It is given due weight in the article. The independent views of reliable sources such as music publications with a repuation is what music article are based on. --neon white talk 15:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Neon, you and I have argued this point a number of times, and by the sheer lack of motivation, I gave up, but the fact is that their music doesn't fit in a technical sense in the emo genre. Have a look at the article. Now, even though a few sources say something, we all know that sources can be wrong and following rules by the letter doesn't necessarily yield the best results, this being an occasion where the system fails, and you know what that means. --rm 'w avu 11:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Personal opinions are not what wikipedia is based on. It's based on reliable sources. Emo is whatever the media says it is, they define it and quite frankly rolling stone magazine has a lot better standing in music journalism than yourself and this is why we trust such sources. The fact is multiple relaible media sources {around 15 i think?) classify them as that and it's the genre they are most linked to. That's not going to change because you don't like it. --neon white talk 11:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you prove that their music doesn't fit the "emo genre"? Remember, WP:V "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true"

I have compiled all known sources, 18 in total, at Talk:My Chemical Romance/Emo. Might be worth writing an detailed explainaton with them citing policy. I'm tired of people continually making the same invalid arguments. --neon white talk 12:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

"Emo is whatever the media says it is" -- The media doesn't know what emo is. The only "emo" they know is black mascara and fingernail polish, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with music like Rites of Spring, Texas is the Reason, or Jawbreaker. By your same standard, Fall Out Boy is alternative rock, despite bearing absolutely no connection or resemblance to the genre. I dare say the protestors to this label are not the ones standing rooted on opinion. MCR is post-hardcore, not emo. --Miikro (talk) 05:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Like all genres, journalists invented and popularised the term, emo is what and only what they report. There is nothing else. --neon white talk 15:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Emo source

There is only one source that defines MCR as emo and the only source which states that MCR is emo. It is not a strong basis to tag MCR as "emo". MCR is not emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonerguy 87 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how many or few sources there are. What matters is whether the source(s) meet WP:RS, which this one does. Thus as a sourced genre, emo stays. Stop removing it. Nouse4aname (talk) 14:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually there are several sources in the article including allmusic, rolling stone and mtv (Allmusic is cited twice, 1 and 29, can someone fix that) and they are only a selection of the ones available. Others include VH1, new york times and msn music--neon white talk 15:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

MCR is a very bad example of pop rock blended with post-hardcore. They do not play music within the emo genre, and they never have. They are only called "emo" by the same scenesters that would call Dashboard Confessional or Atreyu emo, despite the fact that none of these three bands are similar in the least (nor are any of the three emo.) --Miikro (talk) 05:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

MCR are from Newark,NJ not Jersey City, actually Belmont, as stated in Life on the Myrder Scene

Genres - Wrong?

According to the referenced 'http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:mw98b5p4psq4 - reference' which is reference #1 to the genres in the genre list, the website only shows Pop/Rock as the genre, while all the other mentioned things are under style - Shouldn't really only genre qualify for the genres list? Zevvi (talk) 03:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

You seem to be correct. It seems to be one of those things that's been in the article so long that no-one has ever questioned it's validity. I'll add better sources or remove them until better sources are found. We can't synthesise info from that list. We need sources for all. I'm not sure if we can use [12] it's says alternative pop/rock. It's unclear whether this means alt pop and rock or alt pop or alt rock --neon white talk 13:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Emo

Fan Persons and Haters, who keep spoling this page. Yes we know that My Chem are not Emo. That is best left for Rites of Spring and Texas is the Reason. HOWEVER, they do have aspects of it. Stop complaining about it let me make a case here. Perhaps we should do something about the genres on this article as it seems to be a problem. Im sure we can all find sources for this but definetly there early work is Post-Hardcore or Alternative Rock. Perhaps we should add to to genres such as.

Alternative Rock(early)

And such, I dont mind emo being on here no matter how foolish it is. But we need to stop arguing as it has to many sources unless we find a MAJOR source saying otherwise. XXxChriscorexXx (talk) 21:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

A "major" source saying otherwise would mean absolutely nothing. That is why you can list multiple genres in the infobox. If there were 3 sources saying emo, and 3 just as reliable definitively saying "they are not emo" then you could add a disputed tag, but one would not be necessary. See WP:V, Emo is verifiable that is all that matters, your opinion of the genres validity means nothing here. About adding genres, if you can find a couple sources that meet WP:RS that definitively say they fall under that genre by all means add them. Landon1980 (talk) 21:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Uhm I wasnt saying anything about the genre being emo or not I told people to stop complaining. And yes I am aware of this already, I really am not that new to wikipedia. Im looking for sources desribing there older genre musical style. Would you like to help? 71.180.170.87 (talk) 23:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)(xXxChriscorexXx logged off)

I thought you were the person that said "Yes we know that My Chem are not Emo." You also claimed it was foolish to call them emo. I just wanted you to know that we work off of verifiability not truth. I'll look for some sources when I get a chance, to help you with what you mentioned. Landon1980 (talk) 01:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I understand how wikipedia works. And yes I did say we know that my chem are not emo. But as you said wikipedia is based on verifiability not truth. The problem with wikipedia is if it works off verifiability and not truth then it is false. And false encyclopedias should not be read. But what do they care? Anyways thanks for looking for sources im not to good at finding them 71.180.170.87 (talk) 22:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)(xXxchriscorexXx logged off)

Goth

My Chemical Romance is also considered a goth band by many, but those many are not uisually fans, but are still widely considered a goth/emo band.

emo, yes, goth, definately not. Gothic music is completely different, look at within temptation and cradle of filth those bands can be covered as under gothic nature, my chemical romance aren't remotely in that area --Casket56 (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Uh, neither of those bands are remotely goth either. Please see gothic rock and goth subculture. I am so sick of people talking about goth and emo as if they're the same thing, they have NOTHING to do with each other. Zazaban (talk) 19:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Where's your sources? --neon white talk 21:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

EMO

they are emo so many are stupid cause they think just cause they themselves are not emo does not meen they're musc isn't. if you don't believe me thenlook at the emo page and tell me if you think they fit the discriptionJakeellsonator (talk) 21:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

If you actually read the emo page you would have read it says "My Chem is described as emo" My chem is not emo and dosent fit the description. Emo is a form of Indie or Hardcore punk Not Pop Rock. The sad thing is the media is stupid and cant get anything right. 71.180.170.87 (talk) 22:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)(xXxchriscorexXx

No, the sad thing is that people of no experience in music or journalism whatsoever think they are better qualified than a consensus of experienced and notable music journalists who work for long established music periodicals. --neon white talk 00:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Isn't that the truth. Landon1980 (talk) 01:13, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Horror Punk

I'd actually say this may be appropriate. I'm going to look for a source, if anyone else wants to look, that would be great. Zazaban (talk) 05:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Lead Guitar & Rhythm Guitar, Genre, And Tours

In an interview, Toro stated that Frank plays more lead guitar than him, quoting from Ray "Technically, he [Frank Iero] plays more of the leads, in a sense, and I play the rhythms, but I'm playing more of the leads in a solo sense." Link to the interview: http://www.seymourduncan.com/artists/interviews/ray_toro_of_my/ . I think it would be better if it was simply "guitar" for both of them.

Also, about the "Emo" genre, if you check their albums' pages, you will see that non of the albums genres is Emo. They are OBVIOUSLY not Emo, they are simply rock, their official website says "East Coast rock band" and "American Rock and Roll Band" and their MySpace says Rock/Metal.

Oh, and why isn't The Black Parade World Tour in the tours section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haifa.92 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)