Talk:Dariusburst

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Dark Helios's second form looks like the metal dragon in Syvalion as seen here Devilmanozzy (talk) 06:50, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: "Dariusburst"

Hey guys, the game has been announced for overseas release (for some time now) under the name "Dariusburst". Can I move it please please please?

Also, because of this choice, a lot of sites are beginning to use this title. 174.111.82.239 (talk) 06:18, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Quit Counter editing a decision

Read debate Wikipedia talk:Archive 79 "Darius Burst naming". Devilmanozzy (talk) 06:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

The debate ended again as "Darius Burst" Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games(Archive 87) "Dariusburst". Unless great change in perspective on the name happens, it should remain "Darius Burst"(two words). Note (WP:COMMONNAME). Devilmanozzy (talk) 15:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Final words on "Dariusburst"

I'm tired of fighting this, because absolutely no one else cares. It's not surprising, which makes it all the more saddening. I have read WP:COMMONNAME a million times, and it has nothing to do with this particular situation. I always knew some other articles to stay as true as possible to the common trademarks, and others to not, with no explanation other than "some particular editors prefer one path over the other". Thus, the problems are two-fold; the guidelines are not being upheld consistently, and the guidelines themselves are flawed for not covering this situation adequately despite attempts to argue the wording for doing so. I will not provide examples. You need to look into this yourselves.

Avoiding capitalization is one thing, but we've descended into making things up. At this point, we should be arguing why "Super Mario Bros." is titled that, and why using translated names for games that have never received such translations is not original research. Despatche (talk) 12:32, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

This slow-motion pagemove war needs to end

To all parties concerned, stop moving this page back and forth. Despatche, you obviously did not manage to get consensus for this page move. To then wait almost two months to once again moving this page when no one is looking does not look good. I took a look at the sources on the article, and it seems Darius Burst is the common name used. I note a distinct lack of reliable sources concerning the name, since the game hasn't seen a English language release, but we'll use what we have.--Atlan (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

WORKS FOR ME. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 23:17, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Chiming in per a request on my talk page.

I still believe WP:COMMONNAME applies here: "Titles are often proper nouns, such as the name of the person, place or thing that is the subject of the article. Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it instead uses the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." In regard to sources, here are Google searches of "Darius Burst" and "Dariusburst". The results are mostly the same, with the more mainstream sites like IGN, Joystiq, and Silconera using "Darius Burst". Even if the policy is not applied consistently across the site, that is problem with Wikipedia editors rather than the policy itself.

There seems to be some real bad blood here. I would hope that edit warring, even if it is long and drawn out, is avoided (especially for something as simple as an extra space and capital letter). If things are getting bad, however, then it might be time to seek admin intervention at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. I hope that things can be solved without that though. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 23:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC))

Here is the (previously unavailable) English language version of Taito's corporate homepage on the "Another Chronicle" arcade game: [1]. As far as naming goes, the primary source should take precedence over secondary sources. Please discuss.--Atlan (talk) 13:07, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

No argument there, but public name is still Darius Burst as seen arcade-game-sales, arcadeheroes.com, Amazon has PSP "Darius Burst", guinnessworldrecords: Wins Widest aspect ratio for an arcade machine. If Guinness World Records concludes the name "Darius Burst: Another Chronicle" is the name, we do need to explain the name better if there is a switch.

Youtube also sees far more "Darius Burst" than "Dariusburst", and as for the Homeland version name being right.... Look over these results. Clearly if you look through those results, most of the Japanese ones use the term "Darius Burst Another Chronicle" which is weird when you consider they went to the arcade to do the video. Devilmanozzy (talk) 16:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but the name spread based on a translation of the Japanese rendering of the word, which is ambiguous because the Japanese language doesn't really use word spacing. All those sources precede Taito's English language website (which didn't have any information regarding the game until very recently), where it is rendered "Dariusburst". As for the Youtube links, those are totally irrelevant as sources for anything, as Youtube is user-submitted. Note that this naming issue is not a popularity contest, we simply have to get it right based on reliable sources.--Atlan (talk) 17:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, in the places of the official Taito comments, I see it like this "DariusBurst" (Note the capital B). Then I find this.... Twitter Taito Corporation. Devilmanozzy (talk) 17:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Of course all these databases are going to use "Darius Burst", that's what it was reported under. Same for "DeathSmiles", "Death Smiles", and "Thunderforce"... you see this all the time. It's on Taito's actual website as "Dariusburst" and the printed soundtracks still use that form. Devilmanozzy certainly knows this. That's much better than tweets.

This doesn't really have much to do with the Japanese language. This is actually how the title was drawn up, written down, advertised as, etc. They write the Japanese form of G-Darius without the hyphen, but it's still used for everything else, etc. Same with Darius Gaiden and the usual space between the words. It's exactly like Deathsmiles and Thunder Force here. Like I said, it probably wouldn't be difficult to get these databases to change it, anyway. Despatche (talk) 17:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Then unless there is any further objection, I know when I have run out of links here. I'd argue though, that since it is clear that the commonly known name is still "Darius Burst" that the article would still say (Commonly called "Darius Burst" two words) or something along those lines. Most will be confused otherwise. Devilmanozzy (talk) 17:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why that's necessary, unless you really want to do the same to, again, articles like Deathsmiles and Thunder Force. "Commonly known as" is one of the most brutal things to check for, which is why I'm glad Wikipedia tries to avoid it. We're dealing with current video games, not ancient history. Despatche (talk) 17:56, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Read This. It is policy. Please don't be a bad winners. Devilmanozzy (talk) 18:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Here's the thing, though: you'd have to record every single small change and every single typo that's ever been reported; differing names for a city or an element is not the same thing as trying to argue what your eyes see on a box, written by the creator of that box; no, the equivalent of that is "Taito's shmup with the fish" or "Darius V" or something ridiculous like that. This isn't a translation of anything, either. (Why not just have most of these public databases use a common name, anyway?)

And of course, "being a bad winner" is not the same thing as "making sure your argument is consistent". Despatche (talk) 19:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh and moving articles without any consensus is "making sure your argument is consistent". You are a troll. I want nothing to do with projects you touch. You should have been banned. Sigh. Devilmanozzy (talk) 21:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL, guys. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 22:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:34, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

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Darius Burst → Dariusburst – Due to various arguments (see above) and certain evidence, etc, policies such as WP:COMMONNAME aren't so easy to fight for here. It's one thing to argue against "technically correct but rarer" titles, but it's another to argue for a typo. It's no different from correcting any given typo in an article itself. Whether "Dariusburst" is a "mistake" is a completely different discussion. Relisted. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 02:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC) Despatche (talk) 04:33, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Support move to Dariusburst, simply because game creator Taito writes it as such on its dedicated page. --Atlan (talk) 10:24, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
• Support The trademark is DARIUSBURST, according to ESRB. The all-caps thing goes against encyclopedia style, but otherwise the title should be as close to the trademark as possible. Kauffner (talk) 04:12, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Re: Name quarrel

It would only look proper if the two words were separated in the title. Not too sure why there is such a big fuss about it.

Camel Case title?

I was about to accept "Dariusburst" as correct, but then I noticed an instance of camel case in the official site - what do you think?

"The latest shooting game collaboration is with Capcom Co., Ltd. and features ships, weapons, BGM, and sound effects from the original games rethought for DariusBurst Chronicle Saviours."

-- 152.237.70.114 (talk) 06:17, 30 August 2022 (UTC)