Talk:Bon Jovi/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

2005 single

An editor named Xinger has repeatedly added a table to include just the latest Bon Jovi single, Have A Nice Day. This single should be listed just like all the rest, in an organized column underneath the title of its album. Sebastian Prospero 01:21, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I want to be loved Chart position

Someone added "I Want To Be Loved (with Frans Builder)" with some impressively high chart positions recently. I've been unable to discovery any kind of data to back this up - including on billboards own website, which should in theory list it at number one if that were true. And who is Frans Builder, and why is his name associated with the song?

Not saying it's not true, I'm just saying, it's all news to me, and I'd be interested to find out where that information was pulled from.

-- Begemotike

I've removed Frans. Wasted Time R 10:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

....

Does anybody else feel like maybe the whole first paragraph in the History sectionbelongs in the article for JOn Bon Jovi rather than the band Bon Jovi? Just a thought --Jeff

No mention of his birthplace or birth date in a biography? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.21.176.141 (talk) 01:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

Birthplace

believe Jon was born in Perth Amboy, N.J on March 2nd 1962. Why haven't they toured the last two albums in Australia?? They've had just as much success here as they've had anywhere else in the world. Does anyone know why?? No smart ass comments either please. Thanks. Adam.T -West. Aust. 08:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Tagging

I've tagged the article for sounding like a review and for being unreferenced. Naysie 00:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

More sub-headings

Does anyone else think that some sub-headings are required in each of the History sections? In particular the 2000s section has become quite large and cuold benefit from headings such as "Have a Nice Day", "Lost Highway" etc. DVD Smith 22:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Just a little mistake

Bon Jovi plays hard rock, yes, but not heavy metal! I would rather deffine their genre as classic rock.

I agree... but opinions are required on Wikipedia... just referenced content. There are a couple of disputed genres in the infobox. But it's referenced content and can't be altered. Also.... classic rock isn't a genre, it's a radio format and couldn't be added to the infobox anyways. 156.34.142.110 17:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Why not just rock ffs? We've got about 4 cats at the moment and in all honesty if we followed it to the rule we could probably have about 10 TheMongoose 20:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

AOR. BreakerLOLZ 04:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Other genres?

I'm not sure if this counts as part of being glam metal, but they have quite a few power ballads, enough of them where I would consider adding it as well.

Arena rock definitely should be added I think.

Yes, their new album has country and southern rock styles in it, I agree. I think country AND southern rock should be added, though. - J-Whitt 04:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Too many useless genres in the info box

Heavy metal - Bon Jovi isn't a heavy metal band. They're glam metal, which is a sub-genre of metal. Putting heavy metal here is misleading.

Pop rock - The reference says that Bon Jovi is "pop/rock." This can mean either pop or rock. It doesn't actually mean they're pop rock. If you go into a store, you'll most likely find that there's a section called "pop/rock." It's where they put all rock music, from hard rock to progressive rock, and all pop music, from synthpop to pop punk. And sometimes even metal falls into here. It's just a way to group music, it doesn't acurately describe their genre.

Glam metal - This is fine. It covers the whole "heavy metal" part.

Arena rock - This is also fine. It should acurately describe how Bon Jovi mixes hard rock with pop hooks.

The info boxes are supposed to be simple. We shouldn't have 5 or 6 genres in there, complete with references. It looks very unprofessional and unorganized.

Country rock is something I'd consider putting in there, though. I'd say most of Have A Nice Day and Lost Highway were hard rock/country rock, so I'd be fine with putting that in there, but it isn't needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

How about just rock...?! TheMongoose 17:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Just rock seems a little too vague - Grim —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Look at some pictures of them [1]

Australian Tour

It says on the main article that Bon Jovi have confirmed that the next worldwide tour will commence with Australia or Japan, is there any source on this?

Also, the article claims the Lost Highway Tour is the first ever concert in New Zealand - it is NOT, as they were there in 1995 as part of the These Days Tour. Could someone please correct this? The page is now protected and I can't edit it myself. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.86.2.249 (talk) 02:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Expanded/Improved Lead

I expanded the lead to give a better perspective of the band for people just wanting to know the jist and career highlights of the band, as well as adding some of their notable achievements. Abog 11:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

So, someone got charged $337 for a ticket? And a jaw-dropping $1000? So what! What kinds of seats were these? Scalper seats? First few rows? Onstage? Probably one of those, which makes the ticket prices justifiable, given high demand.

These prices are completely normal for bands of Bon Jovi's stature and in the concert ticket business in general these days. This is not unique to Bon Jovi. Look at U2, The Police, Aerosmith, The Rolling Stones, Madonna, Van Halen, etc. and you will find equal or substantially higher ticket prices.

Thus, I will be deleting this section. Abog 11:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

You're missing the point. It's not about whether the criticism is justifiable, it's about the fact that the band were criticised. They were. It's a fact. Find a counter citation representing the other point of view and add that if you want to demonstrate that the prices are normal and justified. I will be re-adding the section, however I will remove the 'jaw droppping' wording as that is POV. Exxolon (talk) 03:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for mentioning u2 etc... Some people have been putting the band down because of the ticket prices at the prudential center shows, but this was not there choice since it was a brand new arena, the people at the pru center made the ticket prices not the band. As you can see the bands ticket prices are back to what they have been on the past tours. This section should be deleted. Bon Jovi are one of the few bands that still charge an affordable price.user:slippery89

Whatever, I paid $265 per ticket for two to go see them, mind you it was second row centre.. STIL!!! :P 123.255.20.197 (talk) 05:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't just place Rock

The genres Hard Rock and Glam Metal already speak for the genre just "rock". You don't need to place just rock unless you are unsure what sub-genre they are... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.106.87 (talk) 23:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Rock and Hard rock are 2 different things. And Bon Jovi's musical style can be described by both. If anything glam metal could be removed as it isn't really a genre. It's just heavy metal/hard rock played with big hair. If you shaved the heads of the musicians, they'd still sound the same... "glam" anything describes the "look" of the band and not the musical "style". Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 23:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, though their main career is just hard rock/glam metal, their '92-present material is also normal rock. Angry Shoplifter (talk) 20:14, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Band members

• I added a more detailed band members section that shows when different members were in Bon Jovi and the instruments thet played.

Line-ups

(1983)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals with Dave Sabo - lead & rhythm guitars Tim Pierce - rhythm guitar Roy Bittan - keyboards Hugh McDonald - bass Frankie LaRocka - drums
(1983-1994)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmony vocals, rhythm & lead guitars, acoustic guitar, keyboards, piano, harmonica, percussion Richie Sambora - lead & rhythm guitars, acoustic guitar, 12-string guitar, mandolin, guitar synthesizer, talk box, backing vocals, harmony vocals David Bryan - keyboards, piano, synthesizer, backing vocals Alec John Such - bass, backing vocals Tico Torres - drums, percussion, backing vocals
(1994-2003)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmony vocals, rhythm & lead guitars, acoustic guitar, keyboards, piano, harmonica, percussion Richie Sambora - lead & rhythm guitars, acoustic guitar, 12-string guitar, sitar, talk box, backing vocals, harmony vocals David Bryan - keyboards, piano, synthesizer, effects, backing vocals Tico Torres - drums, percussion with Hugh McDonald - bass, backing vocals
(2003-June 6, 2007)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmony vocals, rhythm & lead guitars, acoustic guitar, keyboards, piano, harmonica, percussion Richie Sambora - lead & rhythm guitars, acoustic guitar, 12-string guitar, talk box, backing vocals, harmony vocals, lead vocals on "If I Can't Have Your Love" David Bryan - keyboards, piano, synthesizer, backing vocals, lead vocals on "Memphis Lives in Me" Tico Torres - drums, percussion, lead vocals on "Only in My Dreams" with Bobby Bandiera - rhythm guitar, backing vocals Jeff Kazee - keyboards, backing vocals Hugh McDonald - bass, backing vocals
(June 6, 2007-June 13, 2007)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmony vocals, rhythm & lead guitars, acoustic guitar, keyboards, piano, harmonica, percussion Richie Sambora David Bryan - keyboards, piano, synthesizer, backing vocals Tico Torres - drums, percussion with Bobby Bandiera - lead & rhythm guitars, backing vocals Jeff Kazee - keyboards, backing vocals Hugh McDonald - bass, backing vocals
(June 13, 2007-present)	Jon Bon Jovi - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmony vocals, rhythm & lead guitars, acoustic guitar, keyboards, piano, harmonica, percussion Richie Sambora - lead & rhythm guitars, acoustic guitar, 12-string guitar, talk box, backing vocals, harmony vocals David Bryan - keyboards, piano, synthesizer, backing vocals Tico Torres - drums, percussion with Bobby Bandiera - rhythm guitar, backing vocals Jeff Kazee - keyboards, backing vocals Hugh McDonald - bass, backing vocals

- 69.148.69.125 01:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

BON_FERRET HERE: Your 'first lineup' wasn't Bon Jovi. those were just the people who played on Runaway. Studio musicians. Dave Sabo was the original guitarist, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bon Ferret (talk • contribs) 13:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't where you people get your info from! Tim Pierce from Rick Sprngfield's band played all the guitars on the original demo tracks John recorded at the Power Station. Dave "Snake" Sabo is a nice guy and a decent guitar player, but he was never at a single session at the Power Station. Mickseeley 17:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Hugh McDonald

On a related sidenote, I think perhaps the current layout of band members is a little misleading - in effect Bobby Bandiera, Lorenza Ponce and Kurt Johnston are session musicians hired for the tour rather than actual members of the band - none appear on any of the albums, whereas Hugh McDonald is really an un-official band member - having played every gig since Suchs departure and having played on most, if not all, the albums. If BB, LP and KJ are to be considered alongside Hugh then surely Jeff Kazee should feature as an ex-member... not really suggesting that just making a point.

Jez. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.119.18 (talk) 11:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it is insulting to Hugh McDonald who have played every gig and even appeared in one music video, I think, and recorded every album since John Such's departure even their mega hit "Runaway", providing backing vocals on each, I think he himself is chosing not to be considered ófficial member of the band, I prefer to consider him unofficial member of the band. He will always be there. So this is, but I find it insulting to terming him merely... substitute... merely...hired hand." As much as I love this article and band, I hope we will come to resolution! I hope he will be included as an unofficial bandmember! Even by your spell, he is "with the band" 9 years... What is this...? He is unofficial member of Bon Jovi. That's all, I am trying to say!

Regards: The Mad Hatter (talk)

Lack of citations

Great swathes of this article have no supporting evidence. For such a popular band, it seems strange that their fans (I admit I don't like Bon Jovi much, but came here to read about them because a friend of mine loves them) couldn't produce something better. Compare it to something like the U2 article, which has well over a hundred citations, and this one seems quite poor. Dolphineclipse (talk) 02:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Improvement

This article seems to be a bit of a mess - I've made a start adding references and improving existing refs using the 'cite web' template 194.205.143.136 (talk) 06:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Bon Jovi impersonations

Is the "Bon Jovi impersonations" section appropriate, notable or necessary? --TubularWorld (talk) 19:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality

Lots of words of questionable neutrality like 'astronomical' in the article. -Falcon8765 (talk) 23:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Interpretation of Facts

It's safe to say that this article is not neutral simply from one of the statements in the first section. The writer claims that Q Magazine named Bon Jov the 14th greatest band of all time. In reality, the list was of the biggest rock bands in the UK, based on "album sales, weeks in the UK album chart and the scale of the biggest headlining gigs." http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/q-which-is-biggest-band-of-all-time-a-and-readers-say-550736.html Pdmeyer (talk) 17:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Two Syllables??

"Using the example of the other famous two syllable band Van Halen" Don't know what definition of 'syllable' the writer is using but both Bon Jovi and Van Halen have three: BON JO-VI, VAN HA-LEN.

Did Bon Jovi pick their name following the example of another two word band, or three syllable band? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.113.218 (talk) 09:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

McDonald "ghosted" Such's parts on most if not all recordings.

I have heard that Hugh McDonald played bass on all of the Bon Jovi recordings. When Bass Player Magazine transcribed the bassline to "Livin' On A Prayer", they even credited the line to McDonald. (AV207.225.143.253 18:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC))

Hugh McDonald actually references this on his website. So at least HE says he played on the first album and on every other album except 7800 degrees farenheight. http://www.hughmcdonald.com - Tony

http://www.hueymcdonald.com/discograhy.htm - Aphasia83 16:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

This is true - I know, as I was one of the members of John's "Wild One's". Hugh played on all the original demo's, and most (If not ALL) of Bon Jovi's albums. It's about time he got the credit he deserves. Also, Dave Sabo never played in a working band with John, he most certainly was NOT the original guitar player for "Bon Jovi". Mickseeley`

its about time mcdonald gets credit.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.72.83.219 (talk) 15:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Troglodyte Invasion

Someone please read through this piece of trash. It's embarrassingly imbecile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.136.52.125 (talk) 00:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Critical acclaim?

The article often refers to the significant critical acclaim for this or that album. What critics? Any references?

As far as I am aware, Bon Jovi is right up there with the most critically disclaimed bands of all time.

I found it amazing that there was no "Critcism" Tab for the Band in the Main Entry ? ? ? ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truth4Sale (talk • contribs) 16:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

- Is this a joke? Check out the list of awards etc, I see you didn't sign your comment either..wonder why... TheMongoose 14:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Industry awards aren't critical acclaim... critics make critical acclaim - something Bon Jovi has received very little of...

Fair enough, but you're still talking shit (and still refusing to sign your comments I see) TheMongoose 15:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

If the anonymous user is "talking shit", why did you say "fair enough"? Either we have sources for the statement that they have critical acclaim, or we remove the text. Verifiability is not optional, though it can be deferred in the interest of building new articles. Please remember to be civil with other editors. -- nae'blis 18:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough on the point that awards don't count. There's plenty of sources for the statement, check out mtv.com vh1.com etc etc.. TheMongoose 16:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey I'm the anonymous user. My name's David, and it's anonymous only cause I don't have an account. I'm new here and not really sure of the conventions. I was just browsing and thought I'd express my opinion to improve the accuracy of the article... not sure what warranted abuse... I don't think mainstream TV stations have much claim to critical kudos, but even if they did, the substantial amount of negative press should not be completely swept under the carpet. At the very best, Bon Jovi’s critical status is "mixed", rather than consistently acclaimed. No need to get personal, I've got nothing against you if the band you like doesn't have much cred with critics. Don't be a hater!

By the way, if you're interested in a reference to an actual critic, here's a citation from a review by Jimmy Guterman, in Rolling Stone:"Bon Jovi's band is barely functional: guitar solos pop up like afterthoughts, bass lines whine like spoiled children, and Jon Bon Jovi's voice is double- and triple-tracked in halfhearted attempts to cloak its blandness ... Jon Bon Jovi and his band serve up condescending sentiment, reducing every emotional statement to a barefaced cliché – either because they think that's all their audience can comprehend or because that's all they can comprehend. On Slippery When Wet, Bon Jovi sounds like bad fourth-generation metal, a smudgy Xerox of Quiet Riot." Please don't shoot the messenger! - David.

Interesting point to note is that the user ratings for all the albums on RS (for Bon Jovi) are significantly higher than their so called critics, and lets not forget this is the same place that seems to think Kurt Cobain is a better guitarist than Steve Vai, they know about music in the same way a blind man in a dark room looking for the black cat that isnt there knows that it isnt there!123.255.22.215 (talk) 00:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Does the fact that they've sold over 120 million albums worldwide, have a 100 million-populated fanbase, and an album (Slippery When Wet)that is one of the six best selling hard rock albums ever not get into you? They've had major success. Rolling Stone may not like them, but they still have nearly 100 million fans. Corn Flakes 02:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

comercial success doesn't mean critical success and thats what were talking about now 24.196.132.211 05:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

someone please correct the blatant mistake repeated on this page and all sub-pages. per the following: s/hard rock/bubble gum/g. Thank you 199.164.160.4 21:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess you guys never heard for AllMusic Guide, because they gave them 4.5 stars for the albums Slippery When Wet, New Jersey and Crossroad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.2.72.197 (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

AMG is hardly a reliable source. Mostly great for facts(although it has its fair share of errors; I'm looking at the Beatles thread) but it's reviews just seem like total crap half the time. And still, AMG's few postive reviews are like a drop in the ocean compared to BJ's despise from critics. 92.5.95.44 (talk) 22:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

i agree - bon jovi have almost no critical acclaim, and no citations have been provided to back up claims of various albums receiving any. as the previous person said, most critics pretty much despise them. Dolphineclipse (talk) 02:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

oh man... how could you refer that source??... Reviews from RS could't be used as a measure of musical capabilities... I'll show you something that will make you realize how awful is the music business... and how much effort took to Bon Jovi to survive inside of that jungle!!
The RS 500 Greatest Songs of All Time: 1. Like a Rolling Stone, Bob Dylan 2. Satisfaction, The Rolling Stones 3. Imagine, John Lennon 4. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye 5. Respect, Aretha Franklin 6. Good Vibrations, The Beach Boys 7. Johnny B. Goode, Chuck Berry 8. Hey Jude, The Beatles 9. Smells Like Teen Spirit, Nirvana 10. What'd I Say, Ray Charles (top ten only check out the rest here http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/500songs and cut your veins!!
I'm not asking for a Bon Jovi song in the top ten but... where is Bohemian Rhapsody?? Let it Be? Wish you were here? Smoke on the watr? stairway to heaven? they know NOTHING about music...Imagine is better than any Beatle song??? c'mon!!!! Well I won't say a word about Nirvana...It would be useless...Rolling Stone Magazine is crap.
check out this review from the latest Bon Jovi album " The Circle"
"Bon Jovi are billing their 11th album as a back-to-rock move, following on the heels of 2007's country-tinged Lost Highway, which featured duets with Music City stars. It does rock — if your idea of rock is Aerosmith doing Diane Warren songs. Predictable and immaculately produced, these arena-shakers offer a familiar brand of Jersey cheese, but where Jon Bon Jovi once was kind of quixotic ("Livin' on a Prayer"), he's more contemplative than ever, turning out meditations like "Live Before You Die" ("There'll come a day when you have to say hello to goodbye"). Ah, well, at least blue-collar anthems like "Work for the Working Man" mean well". CHRISTIAN HOARD.
My god... this guy got pay for it...I'd kill to know if he knows what the dotted quarter notes are?... Zurdilo (talk) 05:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Country with the lady from Sugarland

I looked at the genres but I could of sworn their newer music with the lady form Sugarland was Country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spoon45 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Glam Metal

Bon Jovi's first four records were definitely glam. On the Bon Jovi page, I suggest adding that below hard rock, read like "Glam metal (early)". Also, I would add Glam metal to their first four records as well. I'm all in favor of leaving hard rock in all of these categories, but adding glam metal would make sence. Thoughts? TheSickBehemoth (talk) 03:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)TheSickBehemoth

Two "pretty" videos doesn't make a glam metal band. Their music is hard rock. And having a glam visual image for a couple of videos in a career spanning almost 30 years is not enough weight to call them anything other than just a plain old hard rock band. The Real Libs-speak politely 11:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

They did have a glam metal image back in the day. Also, the article on Glam metal on WP has them listed in it. Again, I say leave hard rock since there are traces of it on all of their albums, but I would all glam to the first four since I do hear similarities between them and Posion, Skid Row, Motley, and others. I disagree that "glam" metal is just about appearance, but sound also comes into play. TheSickBehemoth (talk) 15:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)TheSickBehemoth

:::I agree with the earlier post that glam metal is mostly a look and has very little to do with music. The musical style or genre of glam metal bands is just hard rock, usually very simplistic hard rock like Faster Pussycat or Poison. Bon Jovi's song writing style is more skin to Bruce Springsteen only with a more hard rock edge to the music. Other bands that mistaken as glam metal are bands like Whitesnake and Aerosmith and Dokken. Big poofy hair has nothing to do with the way a band sounds. These are all just hard rock bands. Wether B (talk) 20:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Striking socks Rockgenre (talk) 20:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

If that's the case, then why are any bands on WP listed as glam? TheSickBehemoth (talk) 23:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)TheSickBehemoth

Well? Anyone? TheSickBehemoth (talk) 17:18, 26 December 2008 (UTC)TheSickBehemoth

The start is to remove the genre box and any dumbass reference to genre from the main glam metal page. After which we can go about doing an accuracy purge from individual band pages. That discussion is for a talk page other than this one. This one is correct. The Real Libs-speak politely 21:37, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The genre box isn't going anywhere, because there is no need for it to be gone. How else would you know a band's genre? TheSickBehemoth (talk) 22:45, 26 December 2008 (UTC)TheSickBehemoth

Bon Jovi WERE a glam metal band. Look at Jon on the cover of their debut. Their first 4 or 5 records had the typical glam metal lyrics (party lyrics) for the most part, and they were stuffed with the glam metal cliche, power ballads. They definitely were glam, they had the sound, look, and lyrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.158.152 (talk) 16:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC) :Glam metal lyrics? There is no such thing. And a glam metal sound is just hard rock. Bon Jovi didn't look like Poison or Faster Pussycat. Fair Deal (talk) 02:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC) Striking socks Rockgenre (talk) 20:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Genres

The unique genre on the list is "Hard rock", but everyone that listen the band would know that it isn't the unique genre. Lost Highway was a Country Rock album (as says on the Lost Highway article. They also have other ones, you can't say that These Days is a hard rock album, just 3 or 4 of that album songs are of Hard Rock. They also were called a Glam Metal band from 1984 till 1988 because they have Hard Rock songs with the Power Ballads touch and the Glam style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.49.50.61 (talk) 14:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC) :The field is only supposed to be general. They are primarily just a simple hard rock band. They haven't player enough country rock to make it significant. And glam metal is a fashion not a real music genre. The field is for genres only. Not fashion descriptions. Fair Deal (talk) 15:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC) Striking socks Rockgenre (talk) 20:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Missing Info?

Is this not the right "arena" to talk about Bon Jovi's collaborations and partnerships with other bands? I'm specifically thinking of Bon Jovi producing the Russian band "Gorky Park" on their eponymous CD (as a result of BJ appearing in the "Moscow Music & Peace Festival" [late 1980's]), and Bon Jovi's "mentorship" of the Glam Metal/Blues band "Cinderella" (from Philly). Wbchaney (talk) 02:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Has/Have

As a native English speaker, the statement "Bon Jovi has sold more than 33 million albums in the United States. and over 100,000,000 albums worldwide, and has played live concerts in.." Sounds wrong, I believe it should read;

"Bon Jovi have sold more than 33 million albums in the United States. and over 100,000,000 albums worldwide, and have played live concerts in" Bon Jovi has makes it sound like one single entity, (leading into a major annoyance for true fans with people calling Bon Jovi 'he' instead of they) - Bon Jovi have is more applicable, you would never say "Arsenal has won twenty games this season" when talking about the football team, you would instead say "Arsenal have won twenty games this season" And you would say "Thierry Henry has scored twenty two goals this season" and would never say "Thierry Henry have scored twenty goals this season".... Also; Bon Jovi is an American rock band - Again this sounds like one single person. I believe "Bon Jovi ARE an American rock band" is much better

"#1 EU"

This means nothing - there is no "European chart" bar ones made up by averaging sales across EU member states - or in the case of MTV Europe, their target areas. This should be replaced with the actual countries in Europe where the albums were number one or just removed. --Kiand 13:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Bold text

There is no European Chart ?

So what is this ? http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=European+Top+100+Albums What is this ? http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i677d4ba50100adc2926d7bcbb15cba8f And what is this ? http://allcharts.org/music/europe/albums.htm

It's a compilation by Billboard of 15 charts for 14 countries. So 12 out of the 27 EU countries or 14 of the 42 European countries. Not really representative, and unheard of out of the US. Hrcolyer (talk) 22:57, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

This bit

"Bon Jovi performed in the Olympic Stadium in Munich on the 28th of May 2006, a four hour concert including all the best hits over 22 years and again feauturing "Dry Country" as encore and closing with "These Days" perhaps the best Bon Jovi Concert ever.'

^^ er, perhaps the best bon jovi concert ever? Thats a bit of a big statement, (the sound was crap for a start) I think it should be removed, its not a special occasion or anything like the first playing of Dry County in 10 years for example..

Logo

just placed the logo on the template of information, maybe I was right, because Eminem has one.--Eduardofoxx13 (talk) 15:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

New section 2010 worst album poll

I removed this because the the source seemed to be a forum, and it was not accessable without registration, both of which are not acceptable under WP:RS and unsourced controversial information is to be removed under WP:BLP. Please stop edit warring (WP:3RR) and talk about it here. - Stillwaterising (talk) 16:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Band member's birth name / date / location

In the History section, is it really necessary to follow the first occurrence of a band member's name with his birth name / date / location? For example: "David Bryan (b. David Bryan Rashbaum, 7 February 1962, Edison, New Jersey)". It seems like a non-standard technique. AroundLAin80Days (talk) 22:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Consistent edit change of record sales

On both this article and Jon Bon Jovi, there are a couple of editors who like to edit-war on the sales figure cited in the article. Typically, these editors like to round the number up by 60 to 70 million to 200 million without providing a new citation. ----moreno oso (talk) 10:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Genres

Bon Jovi is not an Alternative Rock band. The right genres are Hard Rock, Heavy Metal, Glam Metal a Pop Rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.165.78.13 (talk) 21:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Not heavy metal, thanks. Erlandinho (talk) 15:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from NunoCoelho, 6 November 2010

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Heavy Metal? You guys are playing with me? 120 millions of albuns? They have sold more than 130 millions!!! This article is very very bad. NunoCoelho (talk) 21:23, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

 Not done The reference we have indicates 120 million albums. Can you supply reliable sources for the change you are requesting? Keith D (talk) 22:28, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

bon jovi has sold over 130 million albums it even said on their website http://www.bonjovi.com/story/news-live/bon_jovi_to_play_in_peru_in_september_2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrrvasquez (talk • contribs) 00:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Mrrvasquez, 18 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} change 120 million to 130 million for bon jovi albums sales references http://www.bonjovi.com/story/news-live/bon_jovi_to_play_in_peru_in_september_2010

Mrrvasquez (talk) 13:04, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Not done: I'm concerned with both the present source (iTunes bio) and the suggested source (self published), but more so with the later. Please try to find a reliable, secondary source for this information. Thanks. -Atmoz (talk) 15:10, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Mrrvasquez, 18 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} change 120 million to 130 million. straight from jon bon jovi's mouth he said 130 million http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2010/11/06/entertainment/doc4cd4221167dfa777403506.txt and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZkwrPYZjs and i don't think private sessions get their information from the wiki http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bnzqGdSp82YJ:www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/09/16/cnnheroes.tribute.show/index.html+bon+jovi+130+million+albums&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Mrrvasquez (talk) 17:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done The Oakland Press is a good source. Thank you for locating this. Dawnseeker2000 20:01, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Glam metal, not glam rock

Bon Jovi's style is glam metal, not glam rock. Glam rock are artists like Queen, David Bowie, Lou Reed, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.165.78.13 (talk) 19:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.23.82.7, 29 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} During the section talking about The Circle Album and Grammy performance it states that Who Says, Have A Nice Day and We werent born to follow are 3 uk number ones. Bon Jovi have had no Uk number ones.

86.23.82.7 (talk) 17:59, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Done I'm not sure if they actually had #1 hits or not, but that aside definitely doesn't randomly belong in the middle of that paragraph anyway, so I removed it. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:47, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Add 'Rock' to genre section

I think Hard Rock and Glam Metal should stay up there, but I think we should also add a more general link to Rock; they have, at times, experimented with other genres, such as Country rock and Pop rock. Toa Nidhiki05 22:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Glam Metal

I'm not sure how you can ignore Glam metal when their breakthrough album: Slippery When Wet, was an excellent example of it. They were a glam metal through the 80s and I think that's significant enough to include. Soxwon (talk) 19:54, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Shad0wn3t, 26 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} request to change | Genre = Hard rock, Glam Metal, Heavy metal

To the following

| Genre = Soft rock country rock

bon jovi is not generally considered hard rock or metal at all as there music pertains and mostly consist of soft rock and country titles rather then metal or rock and roll

Shad0wn3t (talk) 03:27, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Your request is based on your personal opinion rather than being based on reliable sources or on previous consensus. You are partially correct in the incorrect use of the umbrella term 'glam metal' Beyond that your request will not be granted. Wiki libs (talk) 03:47, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

You're joking right? On the same damn source as the one you accepted it says hair metal before heavy metal. And further proof: Bon Jovi's 1986 smash Slippery When Wet ushered in the age of hair metal from [2] and it's listed as one of the top hair metal artists: [3]! If anything, hair/glam metal deserves to be mentioned far more than does heavy metal. Soxwon (talk) 09:04, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I've closed the edit request as this evidently needs more discussion. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 14:55, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request

{{edit semi-protected}} Minor grammatical edit...

Please change "she call themselves Bon Jovi" to "they call themselves Bon Jovi". projanen (talk) 03:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing this out. Dawnseeker2000 03:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Pop rock

Examples, please. The only songs light enough to not fall under "hard rock" are either power ballads or country songs...they are very commercial, sure, but they're not "pop". Commercial and pop are not the same thing when it comes to a band's sound. Also, some citations would be nice (although I'm sure there are probably some out there). James25402 (talk) 09:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Although it starts with a hard rock songs (It's my life), (no doubt about that) Crush is a pop rock album. So is Have a nice day actually.--188.26.49.84 (talk) 13:10, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Bon Jovi's music genres

I think the Bon Jovi music genres are:

• Hard rock
• Glam metal
• Heavy metal
• Pop rock
• Country rock
• Melodic rock
• Soft rock
• Arena rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.165.78.13 (talk) 13:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Melodic Rock? Arena Rock? There are no such genres. Arena Rock is just an umbrella term and Melodic Rock doesn't even exist.--188.26.49.84 (talk) 13:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

The (hopefully) final discussion on genres

Alright, it is getting ridiculous the amount of times the 'genre' section is changed, so I feel we need to hold a final discussion on the genres to be listed.

Hard Rock should be up there, no question, because almost all of their work falls under it; This Left Feels Right and Lost Highway are pretty much the only two that might not.

Glam Metal (aka. Hair Metal or Pop-metal) should be added because most of the early Bon Jovi albums (Bon Jovi-New Jersey) had significant influences from the genre, and many of their popular songs fall under it.

Also, a more general 'Rock' link should be added IMO. Why? Because Bon Jovi, while mainly sticking to either a Hard Rock or Glam metal format, has also experimented with different sounds in albums, mainly Country rock in Lost Highway and Alternative rock/Soft rock in This Left Feels Right. While these two are not enough to warrant adding both to the genre section, they do encompass 11% of Bon Jovi's total work, and possibly more when you factor individual songs from albums.

I don't feel Heavy metal or Pop rock, two common suggestions, should be added. While Bon Jovi did play a sub-genre of Heavy metal, Glam metal, for a good portion of their career, they never really independently played Heavy metal, nor did they refer to themselves as such. In fact, glam metal drew much influence from punk, pop, and glam rock music, not just metal.

Also, labeling Bon Jovi as pop rock is ridiculous. Pop rock is basically pop music with electric guitars, and it's primary artists now include Katy Perry, Avril Lavigne, Maroon 5, P!nk, and Kelly Clarkson; in the '80s, pop rock's main artists included Huey Lewis and the News, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, and Phil Collins, and in the 90s, main artists included No Doubt, Robbie Williams, and DC Talk. Honestly, almost none of these artists have much similarity to Bon Jovi's style at all. Toa Nidhiki05 00:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Alright first of all, people need to sign their comments. Second, I'm fine with just hard rock and glam/hair metal as their genre. Soxwon (talk) 03:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Bon Jovi were definitely a glam metal band in the 80's. Why can't you face the facts? Is it somehow shameful that they represented the hair metal movement together with bands like Ratt, Mötley Crue, Dokken, Poison and Cinderella? Bon Jovi is a hard rock/glam metal band. -- JNCooper —Preceding undated comment added 22:45, 9 February 2011 (UTC).

To Nidhiki: out of the artists you are listing, can you tell me if Katy Perry has any similarities to Stevie Wonder? Or what does Avril Lavigne have to do with Michael Jackson? Bon Jovi's later material is definitely pop rock (a fairly broad definition), no matter how you look at it. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 15:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Heartfourmewesique, I at least back my comments up; all that content is included in the pop rock article on here; your comment is OR. For that matter, what similarities do The Beatles, probably the most influential rock band in history, have to do with current rock bands like Green Day, My Chemical Romance, or Paramore? Toa Nidhiki05 22:43, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I guess you need to revisit some of those reading comprehension classes... because you are only supporting my point right now. Superficial similarity (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with style categorization, and so far, you have failed to prove that Bon Jovi's latest songs are not pop rock. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 16:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not proving anything, and that is not how Wikipedia works; you can't made an unsourced statement and then, when someone tells you you don't have any proof, tell them they need to disprove it - that is the point of reliable sources. If Bon Jovi is pop rock as you say they are, it should be very easy to find a reliable source calling them that. You need to back up your statement, or it means absolutely nothing. Toa Nidhiki05 16:58, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of this example – or this one, where have you ever seen footnotes beside music genre listings on Wikipedia? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 05:23, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, I didn't see any objection to Glam metal? I have therefore, reinserted it. Soxwon (talk) 05:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

The Guardian one never calls it 'pop rock', it uses 'pop and rock', a classification akin to the 'pop/rock' sections often used in stores; that term means 'pop or rock', not actually 'pop rock'.

The other one actually does call them 'pop rock;, but that is only one source.

In addition, the band despises pop rock. I'm quoting a line from a son of theirs, 'Last One Standing':

The songs were more than music They were pictures from the soul

So keep your pseudo-punk, hip-hop, pop-rock junk

And your digital downloads

Also, looking at Allmusic (a reliable source) and their labeling of Bon Jovi, they use the genres 'Hard rock', 'Contemporary Pop/Rock' (once again, a label, not a genre), 'Hair Metal' and 'Pop Metal' (both terms used to refer to glam metal), 'Heavy Metal', and 'Album Rock'. I suggest we, for the sake of clearing this argument up, change the 'Genre' section to 'Hard Rock', 'Glam Metal', 'Arena Rock', and 'Rock'. Toa Nidhiki05 21:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

One source is still a source, and your analysis of their lyrics is pure WP:OR. Therefore, it has been established that their latest genre is pop rock – that is, of course, unless you want to prove otherwise. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 22:32, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Nothing has been established. I provided a conflicting source, and noted the band wrote a song explicitly criticizing, among other things, pop rock - this is not OR, as I only quoted the lyrics exactly. This is a dispute, and should be handled as such. Unilateral statements like 'This is established now' have no backing on Wikipedia; we make decisions by consensus, not the will of a single editor.

I would like to suggest holding a RfC on the issue. Toa Nidhiki05 00:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

*sigh* I swear, I give myself ten minutes on wikipedia and I have to weigh in on this. The use of lyrics is indeed WP:OR. I support Hard Rock, Glam Metal, and maybe pop rock. Soxwon (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

How is it, exactly? All I did was post them. Toa Nidhiki05 01:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Not really, you have been exercising your own free interpretation (WP:OR again) upon citing your own sources and mine. "Pop and rock" is not the same as "pop or rock" but rather closer to "pop rock" (again, second grade language lessons) and out of the Allmusic genres, you have chosen to single out "Contemporary pop/rock" as a "label, not a genre". So far, there are three sources, out of which one clearly calls a Bon Jovi concert "pure pop rock" several times, and there are no sources that clearly state that they are not pop rock. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 19:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

'Pop and rock' means, literally, 'pop and rock' - it means they are reviewing pop music AND rock music. And 'pop/rock' does mean 'pop or rock' - not both. In addition, pop rock does not mean 'both pop and rock', it means 'pop with heavy rock influence' or 'rock with heavy pop influence'; it's the same with other 'fusion' genres, such as 'Christian rock' (either rock with heavy Christian influence or Christian music with heavy rock influence). Toa Nidhiki05 21:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, this has gone far enough so I'll quote your earlier argument: you have to back yourself up with reliable sources. So far, I have at least one indisputable source that uses the expression "pure pop rock" several times, while you have nothing. I also have another editor agree with me. Seems like a clear cut consensus. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 19:54, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I do have a source, Allmusic, that does NOT define them as pop rock, so the sources are conflicting. In addition, I have the song lyric, which, as a stand alone source does nothing, but it does prove the band dislikes pop rock.

Also, 2 against one is not a consensus. The fact is, he said 'maybe', not 'sure', so he is not actually in your camp (or mine). Toa Nidhiki05 21:02, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you two get an outside opinion or an RFC PLEASE? You're not getting anywhere, you need outside help. Soxwon (talk) 01:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Exactly what I suggested, but that suggestion has been ignored as of yet. Does everyone favor an RfC? Toa Nidhiki05 14:44, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Before you do: as repeating myself has become somewhat of a habit around here, a source not defining them as being pop rock does not define them as not being pop rock; therefore, Allmusic does not contradict my source. If you want to post an RfC, please go ahead and do so, but please don't forget WP:NEUTRAL upon wording the request. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 04:09, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Genre

I think Bon Jovi is HEAVY METAL too. Listen to their albums in the 80's and you'll see it. Moreover, glam metal is a subgenre of heavy metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.165.73.215 (talk) 21:52, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Why not just call Bon Jovi and ask them.

All this debate over what genre they are. Just ask them directly. Seems simpler. -- Avanu (talk) 18:05, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Bon Jovi doesn't decide what genre they are, Reliable sources do I'm afraid. Bob House 884 (talk) 18:20, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

You're partly right. Reliable sources provide identification of what genre they feel that Bon Jovi is in. But the band themselves have a perspective that would be pointlessly obtuse not to consider. Please see ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS#Self-published_and_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves ) If the outside sources and the band agree, you can be fairly well assured that it is a good assessment of their genre. -- Avanu (talk) 18:33, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I have to say, this seems like a good idea. The issue here is getting Jon Bon Jovi to respond; he's worth over 350 million dollars. Why the heck do you think he would respond to some random Wikipedia users?

I would like to state, however, that given what is in some song lyrics of Bon Jovi's and his general opinion of the music industry, I doubt he would call the band pop rock. If we can contact him, great. If not... Toa Nidhiki05 22:10, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

RfC

This RfC is over whether 'Pop rock' should be added to the 'genre(s)' section. Toa Nidhiki05 20:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - For one, the only source supporting this is a concert review - an opinion article. Should we make a change like this based over 1 person's opinion? For another, Allmusic does not define them as Pop rock (They do say 'Contemporary Pop/Rock', but Pop/rock means Pop or rock, not 'pop rock' on Allmusic), nor does Billboard , which repeatedly uses the phrase 'pop metal' (a term synonymous with Glam metal), not pop rock; in fact, the phrase 'pop rock' is not in the article at all! The only mention related to 'pop' is referring to Lost Highway as a 'collection of pop-infused heartland country anthems', meaning that it was more along the lines of Country pop, not pop rock.

On another note, how in the heck can a 'hard rock' band also be 'pop rock' - those terms are pretty much polar opposites, as hard rock is aggressive and pop rock tends to be slower, with less guitar solos (along the lines of Maroon 5 or Kelly Clarkson). Clearly, neither sources nor actual sound matches Bon Jovi up with Pop rock; rather, it matches them up with Hard Rock, Glam Metal, and Rock. Toa Nidhiki05 20:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

References

Support- Bon Jovi do much similar to the acts above. They do not adhere to tenets of hard rock in such a way that, say, AC/DC or Motorhead do, and are, like the above acts, providing a more melodic, poppy take on the hard rock genre, which I would say is best defined as pop rock. Bennydigital (talk) 09:00, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Do you have any sources to back this up, cause this is entirely your opinion - hard rock is a varied and diverse genre which contains everything from some of Heart's stuff to AC/DC. In fact, Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting is very 'poppy', but it is considered hard rock as well. Bon Jovi fits into hard rock, not pop rock. Toa Nidhiki05 14:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Strong support First off, "those terms are pretty much polar opposites" is WP:OR, unless, of course, can be proven otherwise. If your own sources use terms like "pop metal" (again, you will have to prove that it is not associated with pop rock in any way) or "pop-infused", this pretty much defies your stance. This is your original analysis, and as an obvious Bon Jovi fan, you also have a clear case of WP:COI. Out of all the sources provided, most of them support the addition and there is not a single source that clearly states that Bon Jovi is not pop rock. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 15:30, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Comment - You need to prove me youridea that glam metal is pop rock, because the burden of proof falls on you, the person who wants to add the content. You're whole argument lies on the basis that pop-metal is pop rock, but but you don't have a source to even back that up; the only source you do have that calls Bon Jovi 'pop rock' is an opinion article, as stated above; the others never describe them as such. Once again, please prove pock rock IS pop-metal, and I will promptly go add it to every other page with the 'glam metal' genre.

In addition, they only described 'pop infused' for one album (the same reason we don't add 'country rock' to the genre heading; not enough uses by the band), and even then, it was more of a Country pop thing then a pop rock thing. Toa Nidhiki05 15:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Allmusic's assessment of 'pop-metal':

The least metallic variation of heavy metal, pop-metal became the most popular form of hard rock during the '80s. Some pop-metal bands emphasized metal's most important building block -- the guitar riff -- more than others, but pop-metal's main attraction were the huge, catchy hooks that owed a great deal to the fist-pumping choruses of arena rock. Most of the Los Angeles-based bands (where the scene was heavily concentrated) also drew on the elaborate visual stylings of British glam rock, which resulted in the much-maligned "hair metal" boom of the late '80s. While pop-metal sounded loud and aggressive on the surface, it nearly always had a slick studio sheen that kept it radio-friendly. '70s artists like Aerosmith and Alice Cooper had an undeniable influence on pop-metal, but the band that sparked the true genesis of the style was Kiss. Kiss' music was catchy and utterly simple, and their wildly theatrical visuals were an essential part of their appeal. Next came Van Halen, whose wild party-rock and virtuoso lead guitarist set the style for much of the pop-metal that followed. The first wave of pop-metal -- bands like Motley Crue (who would later become superstars), Quiet Riot, Dokken, Ratt, and Twisted Sister -- wasn't quite as poppy as it would later become, save for Def Leppard's 1983 landmark Pyromania, perhaps the most melodic metal album up to that point. Bon Jovi's 1986 smash Slippery When Wet ushered in the age of hair metal, where photogenic looks (and, yes, teased-up hair) became just as important in selling a band as the music itself. The following year, Def Leppard's Hysteria set new standards for smoothed-out production as well as blockbuster sales. Not all subsequent pop-metal fell into the slick, image-conscious hair-metal camp; Guns N' Roses, Tesla, and Skid Row often had a grittier edge, and Extreme was unpredictably eclectic, while veteran rockers Kiss, Aerosmith, and Alice Cooper all staged pop-friendly comebacks. But by and large, the hair bands reigned supreme, playing lots of sleazy Aerosmith boogie and big AOR-style power ballads with bits of Van Halen flash; Poison embodied the glammed-up, party-hearty excess of hair metal perhaps better than any. Pop-metal and hair metal (and the excess and formula that had come to be associated with both) were effectively wiped off the musical map by grunge in 1991; some pop-metal bands continued to record for smaller labels and cult audiences, but the music's reputation had suffered too much to restore its former glamour.

Notice it refers to Pop-metal as 'heavy metal variation' and 'hard rock'; the phrase 'pop rock' is nowhere to be found. Pop-metal is NOT pop rock, it is a sub-genre of both heavy metal and hard rock. Toa Nidhiki05 15:59, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

References

*sigh* Again, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. The fact that they do not mention pop rock does not mean it does not exist. It is sufficient for one source to mention it (the concert review) to fulfill my part as the editor adding the content. Now it's up to you to prove that they are not pop rock. Quote me one of your sources explicitly saying that "Bon Jovi's style is not pop rock" or something along those lines. Only then will you have a case. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 16:06, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the absence of evidence IS the evidence of absence. I disproved you're idea Pop-metal is pop-rock.

You're argument basically consists of 'Nobody says they aren't, so they obviously must be what this one guy says they are!" at this point, and that is not reasonable nor accurate. Nobody considers pop-metal pop rock. Nobody considers hard rock pop rock. Does that mean I can waltz up and say 'Hard rock is pop-rock'? Of course not.

Once again, Allmusic describes them as many things, and pop rock is not one of them; the band itself does not consider itself that, either. I have one source that conflicts with yours. If you want to prove you're central thesis (Bon Jovi is pop-rock because of Lost Highway and Pop-metal, the latter of which is disproved), please find a source agreeing with it. If not, you have no case. Toa Nidhiki05 16:20, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it's a valid argument: at least one reliable source says they are, and none of your sources says they are not. I am having a hard time getting the fallacy here. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

The fact is, I have two sources that says they are many things, and pop rock is not one of them. You have an opinion article in which the writer calls them 'pop rock'. I also have the song lyric which, for some reason, is 'Original research', despite the fact that song lyrics can be a reliable source, considering it is written by the band itself. Point is, I have 3 that contradict, or, at the very least, don't agree with yours; that is the basis of conflicting sources. You're argument about pop-metal being pop-rock (which, BTW, was original research) has been disproved, and, as such, the only argument you have left is you're solitary source, which conflicts with all of mine. Toa Nidhiki05 19:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Please stop cluttering the RfC with unnecessary (and untrue) words. I have a source saying they are pop rock, you have sources that either say "pop/rock" or do not mention it at all. There is no conflict. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 18:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

you have sources that either say "pop/rock" or do not mention it at all.

1) - My point with the "pop/rock" being a categorization on AllMusic but not a genre, is justified, as 'Pop/Rock' is the broad category for all pop AND rock artists on there, including Lady GaGa, Nirvana, and Children of Bodom. Unless you want to say grunge bands like Nirvana and death metal/black metal bands like Children of Bodom are pop rock as well, you're point there is non-existent. 2) - Not mentioning when referring to genre is equivalent to saying they don't have that genre; I can claim The Beatles were black metal all I want, and, using you're logic, since nobody says they aren't, they obviously must be. The logic you use fails there.

If you want to accuse me of things, please do so elsewhere; if you want to disprove them, please, go right ahead and do so instead of making claims that amount to OR. Toa Nidhiki05 18:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Could somebody direct me to the source which this whole discussion is about? I can't find it in this mammoth of a discussion. (The one which either says Bon Jovi = pop rock or Bon Jovi = pop/rock) Bob House 884 (talk) 23:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Basically, the debate is whether they are 'pop rock'; I have pointed out he only has one source (an opinion article) to say it, but I have at least 3 that don't describe them as such. Also, 'pop/rock' is not an actual genre; it is a classification used to group all rock and pop acts in music stores and on Allmusic. Toa Nidhiki05 22:55, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I have a source (a WP:RS, no less) that explicitly calls a Bon Jovi concert "a pure pop rock experience" several times, while the other editor keeps pointing at sources that do not mention whether they are pop rock at all. Could anyone decide whatever and close this nonsense please? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 02:20, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Links? My view at the moment is that pop rock is a genre but pop/rock isn't (obviously), I'm not convinced that the abscence of the use of 'pop rock' on most of the sources can be used to demonstrate that that they aren't, but I'm also not sure that a description of one of their concerts as 'pop rock' neccessarily translates into describing the band as pop rock (I realise that might sound like I'm spliting hairs, but context is important here - if it says things like 'as usual a pop rock concert...' then its propably a better source than if it says 'a pop rock concert' since the latter doesn't neccessarily translate to the band as a whole). But yeah links would be helpful. Bob House 884 (talk) 08:04, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Allmusic's Bon Jovi artist profile and Pop-metal's definition. The 'pop/rock' and 'contemporary pop/rock' labels mean nothing, as 'pop/rock' is also used to describe black metal bands like Children of Bodom. I think my sources are more valid then his concert review (an opinion article; should we base this page of of one man's opinion?). Also, the band itself dislikes pop rock as shown by some of their song lyrics. Toa Nidhiki05 14:54, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Here is the link, Bob: article here, quotes: "Bon Jovi are impossible to fault as pure pop rock entertainers...", "the way they appropriate bits of roots Americana, Springsteen-ish blue collar rock, 1980s LA glam metal and U2-style stadium anthems, with cheesy pop hooks...". There is also this article that firmly incorporates them into pop culture – if you really want to split hairs you can argue that it's not the same, but if it looks like a duck etc. etc. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 05:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I've read through the sources you've linked me to there. I think that, whilst they don't specifically endorse 'pop rock' as a genre, there is an overwhelming consensus between the 4 sources I've been directed to, and the multiple grammy nominations for 'Best pop album/performance' that Bon Jovi is in some sense a pop group. I think that it wouldn't be appropriate for Wikipedia to completely leave it out of the genre list simply because sources don't entirely agree about where on the rock-metal spectrum they sit.

As to how to solve the issue, I guess you have to include either 'pop rock' or 'pop metal' on the genres list. I don't think either is any better supported by the sources or if theres really any difference between them in practice so I'm not sure which to include. A possible compromise is to list them as Hard Rock, Pop/hair/glam metal. Regards,Bob House 884 (talk) 11:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to officially endorse Bob House 884's idea of adding 'pop-metal'; the genre section would list Hard Rock, Pop-metal, and possibly just Rock. This would cover any and all 'pop' needs, I think...

...although 'pop-metal' actually is much different then pop rock. Pop rock utilizes catchy pop lyrics with minimal rock guitars; pop-metal basically combines glam rock appearance with power-chord driven metal and (often) shred guitar solos. The difference is about that of listening to P!nk and then listening to Def Leppard.

Also, Hearfourmwesique, pop culture has nothing to do with 'pop' music... It is basically a collection of ideas, perspectives, images, etc. that are considered consensus within mainstream culture. In other words, all it means is Bon Jovi is intertwined with the culture of America - nothing more, nothing less. Toa Nidhiki05 13:33, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Again, your interpretations. Pop metal (glam rock) is a thing of the past, specifically, the 80's. Therefore, Bob House's solution is to incorporate pop-rock into the genres. Now that we're all in agreement, let's add that and move on. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 20:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Music genre labelling is a minefield. Sometimes the only sustainable solution is to back out of the minefield, rather than stepping sideways. Do we need to pigeonhole Bon Jovi in a particular genre? Why not just copy a few descriptive words used by key sources, and leave it at that? bobrayner (talk) 21:11, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

If it were up to me, I'd just add 'Hard Rock' and 'Rock', maybe 'Glam metal' too, but we reached consensus here. :) Toa Nidhiki05 21:43, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Consensus? Three people actively supporting pop rock, one editor opposing it (still without one reliable source that negates them being pop rock), and a couple of undecided votes. To Bobrayner – just like any other article about musicians, this one needs a list of genres. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 03:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Apparently you didn't read his compromise suggestion to add something along the lines of hair/gam/pop metal, or simply add 'pop metal'; he supported a compromise, not your view, not mine either. Your only real supporter made one edit stating his vote and never participated in the debate, nor did he back his statement up by anything other than his personal view on the band. Toa Nidhiki05 17:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Since the compromising editor refers to their more recent music, pop metal does not apply (by your own definition), therefore pop rock it is. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 21:50, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

As to how to solve the issue, I guess you have to include either 'pop rock' or 'pop metal' on the genres list. I don't think either is any better supported by the sources or if theres really any difference between them in practice so I'm not sure which to include. A possible compromise is to list them as Hard Rock, Pop/hair/glam metal.

I see nothing supporting your statement based on the above comment. The compromising editor specifically suggested incorporating 'pop metal' and included a compromise not supporting your suggestion. Toa Nidhiki05 22:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

You are really playing an unfair game here, why did you small-font the part that claims "or if theres really any difference between them in practice" (referring to pop-metal vs. pop-rock)? This guy didn't go as far as checking the issue to realize that pop-metal refers to the music Bon Jovi made in the 80s, while the discussion should focus on their current stuff. At least don't manipulate your quotes. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 02:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

If he doesn't understand that, then how can you add him as a vote for your side? Toa Nidhiki05 03:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Because all in all he just doesn't know what "pop metal", an utterly obsolete musical genre, is – and neither did I until you pointed it out. He sides with the fact that some of their recent songs are sheer pop rock, no matter what or how he may call it. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 15:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Genre

Can we please change "Rock" to "See Genre" and put a link to Musical Style/Genre? Jamcad01 (talk) 08:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

If no one replies within a few days then I will be changing it. Jamcad01 (talk) 07:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Bon Jovi proposal

I have proposed the creation of a WikiProject Bon Jovi here. If you would like to join or give input, please comment there. Thanks! Toa Nidhiki05 19:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

New suggestion

I'm proposing a new idea here; we simply change the infobox 'genre' section to 'Rock', while we add a separate 'Musical style and genre' subheader above the band members, similar to what is used on the Paramore and The Beatles pages. It might read something like this:

Bon Jovi's musical style has generally been characterized as 'Hard Rock', 'Pop/Hair Metal', 'Arena rock' and 'Pop rock', although the band has also experimented and varied from these genres at times.

The band initially released albums blending the Pop metal and Hard rock genres, although they had mostly shed the Pop metal sound by their 5th studio album, Keep the Faith, opting for a more pure rock sound; this style was also used to their following album, These Days. Allmusic has characterized their 7th studio album, Crush, as 'far enough into pop/rock to actually stand a chance of getting airplay', while follow-up Bounce was described as 'heavy, serious rock'. Have a Nice Day was also characterized as being heavier than Crush.

The band altered their sound dramatically in the album Lost Highway, a Country Rock album, and The Circle was described by Allmusic as 'conjured by echoed, delayed guitars, shimmering keyboards, and spacious rhythms'.

Yes, I know there are no sources; I'll link them if this is approved. I figure this is a reasonable compromise that gives pretty much everyone what they want, but feel free to give your opinions and such. :) Toa Nidhiki05 22:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

This actually seems like a good idea, I'm all for it. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 02:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Alright; if anyone has some objections with this, please say so. Otherwise, I'll add this up in around 3 days or so and request the RfC closed. :) Toa Nidhiki05 03:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey, sorry I've not commented for a few days. This seems like a pretty good idea. 'Genre' sections on infoboxes always have this massive ability to cause edit wars and content disputes (see above for a case in point) and I think that's due to the simple fact that you can't boil down a musically diverse and complex band or (in this case) a 30 year career down to just a word or two. I suspect that most readers do, and perhaps more editors should, take the 'genre' section with a pinch of salt. I like this idea of taking it down to the very basic level of 'rock' and then explaining further in another section (kind of wish I had thought of it!) Maybe it's worth including a section link in the infobox itself to the Musical style section? Bob House 884 (talk) 14:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree also. Genre sections on musical acts are a quagmire, no one ever thinks they're ever right. This seems like a good idea to me, although I don't think we need the "see also" link in the infobox. The infobox is just a quick summary of the article, it's assumed that if you want more details, you'll read the rest. Nice job on the compromise, everyone. Dayewalker (talk) 03:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree we need a "see also" next to it. Jamcad01 (talk) 09:11, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

WILL SOMEBODY PUT A PICTURES OF THE BAND FROM PAST TO PRESENT BESIDE THE ARTICLE/SUBTITLES/PHARAGRAPH. READERS WILL SEE HOW BON JOVI LOOKS EVOLVED SINCE THEIR LONG HAIRED SPRAY SPANDEX JEANS TO COWBOY HATS TO JONS CUTTING HAIR TO RICHIE MUSTACHE TO JONS' SLASH HAIR IN CRUSH ALBUM TO CIRLCES HUNK LOOKING GUYS.WHATEVER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.53.58 (talk) 07:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Genre

Ok, I reckon the genre needs to be changed from "Rock" to "Rock (See Musical Style/Genres)" Please reply if you support or oppose the idea. Jamcad01 (talk) 03:29, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

The infobox is meant to be a brief summary of the artist; Rock is general enough to describe what they do, and the rest can be fleshed-out in the article body. Radiopathy •talk• 17:57, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I meant "Rock (See Also)" Jamcad01 (talk) 07:07, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Rock is probably the most unhelpful attempt to describe their genre. I could honestly see adding glam metal (Rise to fame, two of their 4 number one singles, best selling album, and early image are all characterized by this genre), hard rock, and perhaps country/southern rock. Soxwon (talk) 00:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd support all but country or southern rock, since that was only one album - Hard rock, Pop metal, and Rock, perhaps? Jamcad01's is good as well. Toa Nidhiki05 00:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok let's have a vote.

1. Just "Rock"

2. "Rock (See Also)" (I vote for that one)

3. Glam Metal, Hard Rock & Rock.

Everyone one will have one week to vote. Whichever one comes on top will be the one that is going to be used. Jamcad01 (talk) 07:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I vote for #2. Jamcad01 (talk) 07:37, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd go with number #3. Soxwon (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Anything but #2 as do not want to go hunting for the info. Keith D (talk) 15:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok time's up. I will add #3 to the Genre list. Jamcad01 (talk) 08:55, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Discography and certification questions

Anyone know the release month for "These Days"? I can't seem to locate it. -nknight

• • • • • These Days was released in June 2005.

I think you mean 1995. TheMongoose 02:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm running on incomplete data for approximate sales of the albums. I'm relying on Gold/Platium certification data from the RIAA, this is both generally out of date and will be artificially low when international sales are taken into account. Data for O.W.N. and Bounce are not yet availible, though Bon Jovi is saying 160,000 for Bounce's first week. nknight 21:54 Oct 24, 2002 (UTC)

64.175.250.138, is there any particular reason you deleted Crossroad from the discography? I'm readding it for now. nknight 14:04 Nov 22, 2002 (UTC)

Bounce did sell 160,000 copies in its first week. But i'am upset because there has been no recent certification for the bands previous albums, they're still saying they sold only 34 million albums in the u.s. when if you look at actual sales its now up to about 45 million albums sold in the u.s. Such as slippery when wet they are still saying it is certified 12* platinum when it has now sold like 13.9 million copies in the u.s. it should be certified 14* platinum. The certifications should be updated. The riaa is slow on certifications user:slippery89

Doesn't make sense

Lead singer Jon Bon Jovi (John Bongiovi) began to play piano and guitar at thirteen, using Elton John songs. followed by: At that same age, Bongiovi founded his first band, called Raze. This doesn't make any sense, since they are the same person!

yes it does because he still spelled his name bongiovi at the time he founded Raze at the age of thirteen

Worldwide sales

Can Somebody write Total sale for every album?

Original means not on any prior release

83.23.217.83 added You Give Love a Bad Name from Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back to the "Original songs appear on" section of the discography on Oct 22, 2005. It was Bad Medicine that appears in that movie/on that soundtrack, but regardless neither of the songs belong in that section because they were previously released on proper Bon Jovi albums.

I'm removing it, until someone can give a good reason the correct song should be displayed.

Sigh, genre talk (heavy metal)

In looking through the NUMEROUS discussions on genre, it looks like there is consensus that BJ is not a heavy metal band, which I 100% agree with. It appears that heavy metal has snuck back in as a genre in the infobox. Am I reading this discussion wrong, or should heavy metal be removed as a genre? I don't want to remove it myself as it seems that this is genre discussion on this page has a long history, so I will leave that up to you folks that have a stronger interest in this topic than I do. DFS (talk) 19:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

It should be, yes - Bon Jovi are only metal insofar as their association with 80s pop metal, which is just as rooted in pop as in metal. I believe the consensus has been hard rock and maybe pop/glam metal are the genres to be included. Toa Nidhiki05 19:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Bon Jovi

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bon Jovi's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "riaa":

• From Leona Lewis discography: "RIAA Gold & Platinum". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved 23 August 2011.
• From Bon Jovi discography: "RIAA Gold & Platinum". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved 2009-10-23.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Missing Number

Isn't there a number missing in the sentence "New Jersey peaked at number in both the US and UK" in the New Jersey part of the History section? 212.110.123.36 (talk) 10:27, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Bad unclear wording

Under the section New Jersey & Heiatus - 'Jon took on the quarterbacking responsibilities himself by closing ranks and creating Bon Jovi Management'. I don't have a clue what 'quarterbacking responsibilities' or 'closing ranks' mean in this contextMr Morden76 (talk) 21:57, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Targeted by the NRA

http://www.rttnews.com/2057536/nra-puts-bon-jovi-on-list-of-enemies.aspx

Is being under the gun notable? Hcobb (talk) 16:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I'd question the reliability of that source since the list does not include Bon Jovi, but rather Jon Bon Jovi - aside from that, organizations have lists of people who oppose them quite often, it isn't really too notable. Toa Nidhiki05 17:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Richie Sambora

Please discuss this issue [4] and come to some consensus regarding the text. Thank you. -- — Keithbob • Talk • 23:14, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

In this article (gutter press, by the way), Richie Sambora's merely referring to coming back on the tour he's currently not attending because of personal reasons (see official Bon Jovi website). It's never been stated anywhere, at any time and by anyone that Richie Sambora is no longer a member of Bon Jovi. Phil X is only replacing him on the current tour. Jessycardy (talk) 00:25, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment Jessy. Sambora is listed as a current member of the band. Which sentence(s) in other sections do you feel need to be changed? and what new text do are you suggesting? -- — Keithbob • Talk • 13:47, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

There were two sections on the article where you could see the vandalism, but as of this very moment, the article seems to be fixed. I don't think there's anything else that needs major improvement, but if I find something, I'll make sure to post about it here. Thanks! Jessycardy (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

That's great Jessy, thanks for joining in the discussion and working this out :-) -- — Keithbob • Talk • 15:58, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but unless I've missed it, there doesn't seem to be any mention in the article that Sambora is not playing on the current world tour. See [5] for a non-gutter press source. At the very least, the article needs to reflect that. --Viennese Waltz 07:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

The article now says that Phil X has replaced Richie Sambora as a band member, however this is simply not confirmed yet. Yes there has been a so-called split in the band, and Richie is not touring with the band, but Phil is simply filling in for Richie's absence as he did back in 2011. Beyond that is all this speculation regarding monetary issues etc. that is simply that - speculation. I feel the article should only reflect what we 'know' rather than what we 'suspect'. 20K-Man12 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Part 2

Until there is an OFFICIAL statement by either Bon Jovi (the band) or Sambora himself, we can't go by "reports" despite the sources. Without an official statement, it's speculation and rumors. We are an encyclopedia, not a newspaper, not a blog, not a breaking news site. There are conflicting "reports" in this news article alone. 03:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

First of all, it doesn't matter what "the horse's mouth" reports as long as we have multiple WP:SECONDARY sources that confirm the issue. Here they are: CBS News, Global News, Herald Sun and USA Today. The NY Daily News article tells us about a single anonymous source that denies Sambora's departure, but that is trampled by the presence of all this coverage (which I pulled from the first page of Google searching Richie Sambora). Finally, I don't need permission to revert BLP violations (it's a notable exception of the 3RR policy), but I'm discussing this out of courtesy. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 03:48, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

They are all echoing the same thing from another "report" by another news source, so no, that doesn't work. Courtesy? Okay, sure. Revert it again and see if any of the patrolling admins agree with you. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 03:54, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm with Jauerback, it's not official. Multiple sources means nothing when they're all quoting the same "original" article from RumourFix, which, BTW, says "fired from the TOUR", not the band. Phil X is NOT a member of Bon Jovi, neither is Hugh McDonald. - Iceman (talk) 07:55, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 September 2013

Please amend the error stating Phil X is the bands guitarist,he is not! Richie Sambora maybe taking a time out but he is still officially the lead guitarist, Phil X is a guest not a member of the band.

Wyken13 (talk) 22:19, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

You need to be more specific as I don't see where it still says that in the article. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 00:04, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

In the first paragraph... This guy is right, Richie is still part of the Band and always will be! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SCOTLANDREW (talk • contribs) 20:10, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Done. I'm not sure how I managed to miss that before. Jauersock^dude?/_dude. 15:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Genre

the information on this page is innaccurate and the moderators keep deleting my post because they hate being wrong or something. bon jovi is not a hard rock band they are anything buy hard rock. it's so freaking obvious just look at wikipedia's def of hard rock and listent to bon jovi and the answer is right ther. also BJ themsleves never said they were hard rock. this onformation is so blatently wrong. so damn wrong. i believe there is some vand bias going on or something./ it's fishy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.166.218.5 (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the person below. Bon Jovi is so mot a hard rock band. They are a Hair Band or a Metal band or just a rock band. This article is sayin that they are a Hard Rock band just like another wiki articles says Gun N Roses are a hard rock band. So what you people are tell me is that Guns N Roses are the same genre and sound music wise? Have any of you ever listend to either Bon Jovi or Guns N Roses? This needs to be fixed. The moderators will not let it be adjusted. They keep deleting the correction I make and accuse me of vandalism. There is some weird bias going on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.166.218.5 (talk) 15:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

There are sources to say Bon Jovi are hard rock. It doesn't matter if they never said they're hard rock, reliable sources show they are hard rock as well as hair metal. And they don't have to sound like GN'R to be hard rock - hard rock is a wide term... Aerosmith, T. Rex, GN'R and Bon Jovi are all hard rock but they don't sound the same. Funeral 15:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I have a question for the previous 205.X IP. Since you are the same person who posted both comments above... what type of internal mind conflict would have arisen had you disagreed with your own statement posted on Nov. 20??? and is talking to yourself a common activity?? Funeral is correct. Wikipedia is all about verifiable content from reliable sources. Personal opinions have no place here. 156.34.208.51 (talk) 16:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Get a fucking life, Bon Jovi are definately hard rock/glam metal, anyone who disagrees has either some serious issues with anything that is popular and/or commercial or has no knowledge of recent music history. Bad Company/Queen/Free/Nazareth/Van Halen were also called hard rock and sound nothing like GNR. Try harder than attacking the band's image.

Why the hell has glam metal been constantly removed for the past few weeks? Classic Bon Jovi is SO glam, whether the band is "metal" or not. In addition, everybody on the talk page and many editors support glam metal being there, so removing it is currently against the consensus anyway. And all websites and critics today say they're glam too. Angry Shoplifter (talk) 20:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Again, one of you anti-glam users explain why. Remember, traditionally and currently, the consensus favors glam metal, and the band is so widely considered as so that removing it is POV. Angry Shoplifter (talk) 02:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

What the hell are some of you guys smoking? How is Bon Jovi not a hard rock band? And they WERE a glam metal band in the 80s. Keep the Faith, These Days and later on are anything BUT hair metal. I get the feeling some of you guys don't know jack about music genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.81.33.59 (talk) 00:29, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Bon Jovi not Hard Rock

I don't know why people always revert it but Bon Jovi is obviously not a Hard Rock band. AC/DC is a Hard Rock band, Metallica is a Hard Rock band. What do they have in common? Nothing at all. And this article is way too biased. Sounds like a Zine article. Virus of Profanity 16:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Their inclusion in the genre is well referenced. Removing it is POV. 156.34.142.110 17:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add that it's a bit ridiculous to call Bon Jovi metal. They fit best into the arena rock category.

Hard Rock doesn't only restrict itself to near-metal bands. You're forgetting about bands such as Heart, Incubus, and Queen are all considered Hard Rock, and Bon Jovi is harder than any of these three, so the genre fits. BreakerLOLZ 03:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Bon Jovi were metal in the 1980s, lots of citations would agree with this as well. James25402 18:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

They are classified as hard rock, says David Bryan. They are not pop rock. You can't call Arctic Monkeys or Kaiser Chiefs rock, and call BJ pop rock. BJ is harder than both those "bands", so BJ is hard rock, or rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheseDays4ever (talk • contribs) 11:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

If Queen and Bon Jovi are hard rock, then i don't like the definition of hard rock. I DEMAND THAT IT BE CHANGED! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.76.11 (talk) 03:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

im glad someone put heavy metal back because its true71.17.42.3 (talk) 23:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Umm, bon jovi is definatly hard rock because if you have the new jersey or crossroads C/D listen to bad med, and lay your hands on me. Then tell me that there not hard rock. but they ARENT a metal band and in the 80s they were hard rock ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.223.115 (talk) 04:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC) Ok, AC/DC was hardly heavy metal so what the hell makes you think that Bon jovi is heavy metal. Bon jovi wer Glam metal at their heviest and they were more rock/pop rock rather than Hard rock! KISS was hard rock NOT bon jovi! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.12.174.87 (talk) 10:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? Kiss is about as heavy as BJ. Bon Jovi is hard rock, obviously all you listened to is Thank You for Loving Me or Bed of Roses or something. Kiss also had God Gave Rock n' Roll to You, a pop song. Such a double standard around here! Even ACDC had "Love Song". I will argue that some of their songs are heavy metal like Undivided and alot of the ones on 7800 Fahrenheit. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 00:39, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2014

bon jovi have sole 130 million records world wide. reference is bonjovi.com 146.90.234.12 (talk) 09:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited a reliable, independent, source to back up your request. Bonjovi.com is clearly not independant. - Arjayay (talk) 09:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2014

Wrong links in 'History'-'Third Hiatus' section. Please change incorrect links located on second paragraph. It must link New Jersey (album), not New Jersey state nor Sons of Beaches (Australian Crawl album). 61.108.14.235 (talk) 02:11, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 03:21, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Genre

The article says Bon Jovi is Glam metal, Hard rock, and Rock but honestly, I think Heavy metal should be added in. While many of Bon Jovi's songs have a hard rock or Hair metal sound, a few, such as You give love a bad name definitly have a darker, dirtier sound closer to Heavy metal. I think Alternative metal should be added too because the album "Bounce" and several subsequient albums had a more alternative rock/alt metal sound. I mean, I honestly don't know what genre you'd call Bon Jovi. I know he's definitely rock, glam metal and hard rock, but Bon Jovi experiments so much and is influenced by so many different genres including country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.70.61.230 (talk) 02:37, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

If you are not pointing to published opinions to support your suggestion then you don't have any leverage. Binksternet (talk) 21:29, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2015

Bon Jovi has sold over 135M albums world wide and performed nearly 3,000 shows to more than 32M fans around the globe. Kerri921 (talk) 14:42, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable, independent, source to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article.
And, as noted above, Bonjovi.com is clearly not an independent source. - Arjayay (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Richie Sambora is not officially a past member!!

Sorry to see that guys. I don't know who the admin is but this is not correct. Jon never said that Richie is no longer member of the band. I think you should bring him back in his place even if he isn't present at that moment with the band. Thank you. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.251.109.44 (talk) 10:50, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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Jon's Mullet

How can an entire article about Bon Jovi fail to even mention once that he's the King of Mullets? Sheesh!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/number-one-with-a-mullet-20010720/jon-bon-jovi-76284360

66.57.50.6 (talk) 17:53, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Could you add Bobby Bandiera to the band. He has been playing & singing with the band for years. Thanks !!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.110.222.165 (talk) 21:05, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Matt O'Ree, Bobby Bandiera, John Shanks

Can we see some sources that Matt O'Ree is an 'unofficial member' of the band please? Unofficial in this capacity seems to really mean recording with, rather than simply played a few dates with. My understanding was that he replaced Bobby as a touring member for one small set of dates... (note Bobby is not listed on the members table.)

Point of argument: if O'Ree is an 'unofficial member' then surely John Shanks should be too - since he is credited for all guitars on Burning Bridges. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.98.195.180 (talk) 06:05, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2016

Richie is still part of the band but not with them now because he is on his solo career. 50.164.232.230 (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Tico Torres switching to DW and leaving Pearl Drums.

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:43, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Who Fucked With the Chart Positions?

A lot of people worked hard to create the table of chart positions...with accurate chart data. Now everything has been completely changed. And it's all wrong. Unless you have a clue about Billboard chart data, please refrain from editing this section, and someone please fix this.

I've reverted to what seems to be right ... if not, find the right reversion yourself. Wasted Time R 10:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

One more?

Is there another member of the Bon Jovi live band? I've seen pictures of six people on stage. --D-Day^{(Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?}) 14:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Additional musicians are accompanying Bon Jovi on their current tour, and have done on previous occasions - such as the Borgota show - an example of such is Southside Johnny Guitarist Bobbie Bandieira 82.38.202.30 21:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Very well. Should we include them in the article? --D-Day^{(Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?}) 22:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

To be honest; no in my opinion. Their role is limited at best, they're there mainly because some of the songs on the new tour are performed "TLFR Style" in which several extra instruments are used. I doubt we'll see them again after this tour. Bobbie Bandieira is a long time associate of Jon's; he plays on his solo albums and tours. Their place in the history of Bon Jovi (in terms of the band) is fairly insignificant, however if you feel strongly they should be included perhaps a small mention in the bit about the current tour would suffice TheMongoose 00:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

wheee, looks like Bobby could be a permanent fixture, maybe a small mention of Jeff and Bobby is worthy TheMongoose 17:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Dangerous Curves?

Not sure this should be in there, not yet at least. Its (future) existence is denied by the bands official sources as of 28/11/08.

Album covers

In the articles "Tokyo Road: Best of Bon Jovi" and "In Brazil: LP" you should put a photo of the covers of the two albums.

AWARDS

The awards section on the main page should have its own page and not take up 15% of the main page. It does not add any real value to the Bon Jovi wiki page.

Change the genres already!

The discussion over the genres have been ongoing and the consensus is they are Hard Rock first, Pop Rock, Glam Metal (they were early on, but not since the 80s) and I will argue Heavy Metal because they do have a number of Heavy Metal songs/albums. But simply leaving the primary genre for this band "glam metal" makes no sense because of what they are today. Also "rock" is too generic for me. Bottom line, the primary genre for this band should be hard rock. Basically the way it is on Jon Bon Jovi's wiki page is how it should be for the band itself.