Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taiwan/Archive 8

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Addition of Pe̍h-ōe-jī

Jen KRT (talk · contribs) has been making edits en masse to the romanization of Chinese names, adding Pe̍h-ōe-jī and often Pe̍h-ōe-jī alone. In most of the edits, there seems to be no direct connection between the subject of the article and Minnan, of which POJ is the romanization. According to MOS:CHINESE, Pinyin is the primary representation to be used. The article Pe̍h-ōe-jī also states that outside Taiwan, POJ is rarely used, and that even within Taiwan, it is not the official romanization for Minnan. Therefore, I consider it undue to add POJ to an article's romanizations unless there is a direct connection to it. Also pinging Dawkin Verbier. intforce (talk) 15:03, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, hanyu pinyin should be the main transliteration. This is even more true in contemporary mainland China articles like Xie Hua'an. That article's lead currently only gives POJ (and traditional characters instead of simplified), so that should be changed.

In general it doesn't hurt much to add another transliteration to Infobox Chinese, so if someone finds it useful, I'm inclined to err on the side of allowing POJ in the infobox for Taiwan articles (but hanyu pinyin should always be included too). —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 18:03, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Allowing it in the infobox doesn't hurt if pinyin is already there, but adding it in the lead sentence leads to unnecessary clutter. The lead sentence should be restricted to pinyin (traditional and/or simplified). intforce (talk) 18:09, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Huang Guo-shu#Requested move 11 January 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Huang Guo-shu#Requested move 11 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 09:09, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikimania 2023 : Singapore, 16-19 August

Wikimedians! You are highly encouraged to apply for travel scholarship for Wikimedia Movement's largest gathering, Wikimania 2023. Wikimania 2023 will happen in Singapore and online from 16-19 August, 2023. There is a pre-conference on the 15th and a post-conference on the 20th. It is back on our region since Hong Kong in 2013. Application deadline is on 5 February 2023 at 23:59 AoE. Regular registration will happen around May 2023. --Exec8 (talk) Exec8 (talk) 07:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Structure of the ROC/Taiwan parliament

There is a discussion at Talk:List_of_legislatures_by_number_of_members#Republic_of_China that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. It revolves around whether the list should reflect the organization as envisioned in the original Constitution of the Republic of China, or after the various Additional Articles of the Constitution of the Republic of China. Recent edits favor the former, on the argument that the latter only result in de facto rather than de jure changes. - RovingPersonalityConstruct (talk, contribs) 21:44, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Go for it. I’ll be ready. 76.68.77.224 (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Discussion on disallowing use of the ʻokina in Chinese romanized article titles

There is currently a discussion that may interest you. Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Disallowing use of the ʻokina in Chinese romanized article titles proposes that the ʻokina gennerally be prohibited from article titles derived from Chinese whenever it does not adhere to the English Wikipedia policy to use commonly recognizable names. Plese join the discussion. Thank you. Peaceray (talk) 17:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

How to deal with flag

Hi! I've put through Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2007 World Cup of Pool/archive1 at FAC, and someone has mentioned that there was some inconsistency in the description and the draw - that sources state the team playing was representing Taiwan, whilst sources also use the Chinese Taipei flag for the same team. it's a bit of a mess, and not one I know how to solve easily. I'd suggest it's both a translation and ignorance thing on behalf of the sources, but I also don't know much about the subject and how it should be managed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:46, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

The general consensus is if it involves about Taiwan/ROC alone or within Taiwan/ROC only, then use ROC flag. If it involves in international sporting competition, then use Chinese Taipei flag. Chongkian (talk) 00:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:41, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Asian Australians

Hi,

I am looking for members to join WikiProject Council/Proposals/Asian Australians.

I figured that some members of WikiProject Taiwan might want to help contribute to the proposed WikiProject.

Let me know if you are interested!

Thanks, AverageFraud (talk) 09:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Contemporary visual art in Taiwan

I'm interested in improving articles on contemporary art in Taiwan, particularly about notable artists starting in the 1980s–1990s. We already have Wu Mali, Wu Tien-chang, Hou Chun-Ming, and Yang Maolin, but from that cohort we're missing Chen Chieh-Jen, Mei Dean-E, and Yao Jui-Chung, among others.

I'd appreciate if a more established editor could review/approve my article on Draft:Yao_Jui-Chung. Also, are the references I've added to Yang Maolin sufficient to remove the "inline citations" warning banner? Christopher Lee Adams (talk) 10:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Christopher Lee Adams, thank you for working on these artists! I think your work on Yang Maolin is more than sufficient to remove the banner, so I have done that. It would help if you could make your citations a bit more precise, though (don't cite a whole book without giving page numbers; in the referencing style you use, the easiest would be to use {{rp}}) and to use identifiers like ISBNs or DOI or OCLC (or even Google Books links) to make it easier for others to follow your citations. The draft looks good to me, but I didn't fully understand why @Onel5969 draftified in in the first place, so perhaps they can clarify? —Kusma (talk) 13:55, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your help @Kusma and for the tip about the reference pages template! Christopher Lee Adams (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Because their is a UPE/COI issue. Which was explained on the editor's talk page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:57, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Onel5969, what is the UPE/COI issue here? —Kusma (talk) 17:10, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merger

There is a merge discussion at Talk:Cross-Strait relations. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:20, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion has been closed already, with the result of not-merging. Chongkian (talk) 01:49, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports#Footnote , which is within the scope of this WikiProject. 寒吉 (talk) 09:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Republic of China (disambiguation) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Republic of China (disambiguation) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of China (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:11, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon

Hello WikiProject Taiwan:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 14:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Southern Min

Template:Southern Min has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Arctic Circle System (talk) 07:01, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Expertise would be appreciated at Articles for Creation

Hello! As the members of this WikiProject are likely aware, the Taiwan 1000 WikiProject has been making many new drafts lately on interesting topics related to Taiwan. At Articles for Creation, these drafts sometimes take a while to find a reviewer who can properly assess them (or, if needed, polish them for mainspace). I wanted to suggest that the editors here could consider joining our AfC backlog elimination drive, or assist by looking for current submissions or recent creations to improve. It would be especially useful to make sure these articles have trans-wiki links when they are translations, and to confirm that the subjects are being referred to with appropriate English-language names. There are also some cases where the translations could use more attention. The more polished a draft is, the easier it is for an AfC reviewer to evaluate it.

I just wanted to suggest taking a look at AfC in case it caught anyone's interest. Happy editing! ~ L 🌸 (talk) 03:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Sz'kwa

Hi WP Taiwan, happy new year. The article for sz'kwa was recently tagged as unreferenced but I haven't been able to find any/many high-quality sources. Can anyone confirm this spelling of the game or provide the Chinese characters? When I saw the spelling, my first thought was that this was a location in Poland. Thank you! Kazamzam (talk) 17:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

That spelling isn't from one of the most popular Chinese romanization systems, but if it's a Mandarin transliteration, the pinyin representation is probably either "sigua" or "sikua". I've done a bit of searching in English and Chinese and can't find anything. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for EVA Air

EVA Air has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:History of the Jews in Taiwan#Requested move 25 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:History of the Jews in Taiwan#Requested move 25 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 14:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merging of Spanish East Indies to Captaincy General of the Philippines

Hi, I'm letting this WikiProject know that there is currently a proposal to merge the Spanish East Indies article into the Captaincy General of the Philippines article at its talk page since at some point in the 1600s part of the island was occupied by Spanish forces based in the Philippines. Your participation in the discussion would be very appreciated. Thank you! Borgenland (talk) 13:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

"Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China"

Please join the discussion here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_24#Category:Expressways_in_Taiwan_Province,_People's_Republic_of_China. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

These two articles may be of your interest

Courtesy link: Xie Chunmu (謝南光), Courtesy link: Draft:Wang Baiyuan (王白淵)

Dear WikiProject Taiwan,

I came across two articles written by a student, both zh-to-en translations. It may be of your interest to give feedback on their talk pages and to refine them. Both figures were from Taiwan. The translations are not outstanding at the moment, mostly because their original mandarin articles are not satisfying, so please feel free to be bold and make edits.

Xie (Hsieh) was a member of the Taiwanese People's Party who later went to PRC in 1952. Wang was a poet and literary who was arrested in the February 28 incident.

My sincere thanks to you all. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 12:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:Chinese-language-only video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Category:Chinese-language-only video games needs populating with games that are not just from mainland China. It was nominated for deletion as a duplicate of a PRC-only videogame category. -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Side point (Minguo era naming)

Those 4000ish years of entries are also the most prominent use on the project of the system. They're possibly the most common use of the system in the English language. So... what's it actually called? The year infoboxes use "Minguo calendar", our article is at "Republic of China calendar", and Ngram thinks neither is remotely as common as "ROC era" (albeit with most of those uses talking about the ROC era of various places and topics as specifically the years 1912–1949). Whatever the WP:ENGLISH WP:COMMONNAME for the system is, it's what we should be using for both the page and the 4000ish infoboxes. — LlywelynII 20:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

So... this is awkward (ROC dating)

Currently, our actual article on the Republic of China calendar entirely sidesteps the issue of how things before 1912 get dated in that epoch. It's missing from our article but I'd imagine that's what actually happened: the laws introducing the new era simply tacked it on to the end of dating by imperial eras.

However, Wikipedians being Wikipedians, we currently have every year of human history back to 719 BC labeled with its "Minguo calendar" equivalent, with everything before 1912 labelled "NNNN before ROC" followed by "民前NNNN年". Is that actually based on anything real whatsoever? Is it the right phrasing in both languages?

If so, we should add it with whatever authority it has to our article and clarify what happens to the new Chinese dating during Europe's transition from Julian to Gregorian computation. (Does it follow Europe with using Julian dates earlier than some year? and, if so, which one? or does it just retroactively apply Gregorian dates indefinitely backwards, throwing everything a few weeks off standard dating?)

If not, we should be clear about what the cutoff between the two systems was (the old imperial system used lunisolar Chinese months and days and the new ROC system uses renumbered Gregorian ones) and fix ~3000 years of entries. That's probably easiest, since the obvious fix would just be removing the "Minguo calendar" entries from everything before 1912, appropriately leaving only the "Chinese calendar" date for those years. — LlywelynII 19:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

zh:民國紀年 says "西元1911年可記為民國前1年，簡稱民前1年，1910年為民前2年，依此類推。" and cites two sources: [1] and a dead link. The source that's still online supports a phrasing like "民國前12[年]", but other sources like this one support an abbreviation like "民前12年". I also see some sources for "民元前", e.g. "公元1128年民元前784年".

In terms of Julian vs. Gregorian dates, I would guess most authors who use this convention just use whatever dates they have handy (whether that's Gregorian or Julian, or maybe Chinese for years further in the past). But that's just a guess. It seems most authors writing about events before the late Qing dynasty use Common Era years or Chinese era name years rather than "before ROC" years. Taiwanese national standard CNS 7648 apparently governs the use of the Minguo calendar, but I can't find an unpaywalled copy. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 Taiwanese legislative reform protests#Requested move 7 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Taiwanese legislative reform protests#Requested move 7 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 12:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Chang Hsueh-liang#Requested move 6 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chang Hsueh-liang#Requested move 6 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 12:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Please keep tab on an article just in case there are untoward incidents

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As of now the contents at Cyber Anakin had been restored, however since the instigator of the removals and the whole larger incident is back after months of inactivity, it’s requested that you keep tab on the article for the time being. If any untoward incidents occur please either revert the changes or report it to the admins straight away where you can let them know about the news articles as well.

The Wikipedia Oversight team may need to be pinged too as the instigator and their cohorts were spotted gaming/abusing legitimate on-wiki processes to put up doxxing/outing/smearing page(s) making personal attacks against the defenders back in 2022 immediately after they were exposed by news media, just in case.38.99.82.242 (talk) 09:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @Jayen466: 38.99.82.242 (talk) 09:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @AnalogBiped: too because even though the wider world see it as possible CCP operation, the edit war incident has a nonzero chance of being linked to the Brian Hioe vs Keoni Everington feud as well. For those unaware what I’m talking about, please see this for context. Furthermore, extra due diligence is necessary since if I remembered correctly, the edit war instigator and their cohort may had the ability to compromise the VPN networks of some users who were defending the preservation of the content and impersonate them in order to revert their changes and further smearing their character through joe-jobbing. A red flag to look for is if an IP (including mine!) had a “sudden change of mind” and go over to the instigator’s side by reverting changes made prior by people who were inhibiting the instigator.38.99.82.242 (talk) 10:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Controversies related to Taiwanese media

One of my students was working on translating a related article from zh wiki to en , but we changed the topic due to the zh article having too much unreliable sources/original research/etc. But maybe someone will find this useful: User:TMXX0818/sandbox

The Chinese article is at zh:臺灣媒體亂象 _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 05:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Gwoyeu Romatzyh under Featured Article Review

I have nominated Gwoyeu Romatzyh for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. George Ho (talk) 21:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:President of the Republic of China#Requested move 25 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:President of the Republic of China#Requested move 25 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Taiwanese indigenous peoples at FAR

I have nominated Taiwanese indigenous peoples for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 19:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested edit at Talk:Taiwan#Straw_poll

There is a requested edit discussion at Talk:Taiwan#Straw poll that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The proposal is to add island country to the first sentence of the article vs. country only. Butterdiplomat (talk) 15:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Constitution of the People's Republic of China#Requested move 4 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Constitution of the People's Republic of China#Requested move 4 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 14:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Shamoji#Requested move 12 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Shamoji#Requested move 12 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 11:47, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Would anyone be interested in joining a sub project of WP:Anthropology on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 19:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)