Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jewish history/Archive 7
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Requested move at Talk:History of the Jews in Chicago#Requested move 5 December 2022
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:History of the Jews in Chicago#Requested move 5 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 14:36, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Requested move for Category:Proposed Jewish states
I have requested a renaming and a rescoping at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 1#Category:Proposed Jewish states. Pharos (talk) 16:15, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Holocaust denial publication - academic journal?
More eyes needed at the Journal of Historical Review, a holocaust denial publication by the Institute for Historical Review. There is discussion as to whether this should be categorised as an academic journal, and whether we should use the template for academic journals. Cambial — foliar❧ 13:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Adding hebrew calendar dates (AM)
Wiki is a multidenominational encyopedia and should display hebrew dates (or at least years) for jews birth and death dates and jewish related events. Ok? Riskit 4 a biskit (talk) 16:29, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
- I think extending it to all Jewish biographies would be a bit much but I could see it being relevant in some cases. Dan Carkner (talk) 16:52, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
- Will we also add Islamic dates to Islam-related people and events, Hindu dates for Hindu-related people and events, and Chinese dates to China-related people and events (etc)? This is a terrible idea. We should mention Hebrew dates when they are significant to the subject (such as when a Jewish holiday is defined by the Jewish calendar). In other cases, people who want the Hebrew date can convert it themselves or click on the link that takes them to the Hebrew wiki. Zerotalk 09:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Isnt wikipedia a multidenominational encyclopedia? Adding AM adds additional knowledge and interest to each article. Dont worry about other dating systems for the moment Riskit 4 a biskit (talk) 12:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Not every possible fact is presented at the start of an article, only certain curated ones that are considered to be broadly useful, and according to broadly agreed upon rules of style. It's not a matter of spending thousands of hours of work just on principle, many of them will get reverted by people watching the articles even if you unilaterally decided to start adding them. I do agree there can be some cases where that info could be useful but you have to make a case as to why, for what reader, not just for the sake of principle. Dan Carkner (talk) 18:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Can the Jewish wiki project create a Jewish biography template that has AM fields? Riskit 4 a biskit (talk) 21:11, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- No, because there is clearly no consensus for it. Also, it seems I omitted to save my response to your earlier question. Wikipedia is NOT a multidenominational encyclopedia. Wikipedia is a NOdenominational encyclopedia, and this is the English branch. Zerotalk 01:33, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Article on Wikipedia in the Journal of Holocaust Research
The project might be interested by this recent article, named "Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust". Misc (talk) 20:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for sharing. A very well-researched article; I wish more historians took wikipedia this seriously. Dan Carkner (talk) 23:27, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:04, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Antisemitism on page for "Supremacism"
The Jewish section of the Supremacism article is a hot mess of antisemitism. The portion on outreach to Noahides was claiming that Orthodox Judaism, or sects of it, are "racist" and believe non-Jews are "racially" inferior. I've removed some of the more outrageous language, but the entire section needs a clean-up. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 03:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Template:WikiProject Jewish history, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. TartarTorte 14:23, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Discussion of interest
The discussion here, at Talk:Leo Frank, may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.
No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.
However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:43, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Nazi ghettos#Requested move 14 May 2023
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nazi ghettos#Requested move 14 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – MaterialWorks 11:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Request for approval of draft
Hello, if anyone might approve my Draft:Masliah ben Solomon ha-Cohen, it would be much appreciated. Nashelskeryid (talk) 00:01, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients and the Holocaust
The first list, so probably the highest cross is Grand Cross of the Iron Cross. Its only recipient is Hermann Göring, a convicted Nazi criminal, no such information there. Knight's Cross with Golden Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds, the only recipent is Hans-Ulrich Rudel, Nazi and neo-Nazi. The Wehrmacht made the Holocaust possible. Xx236 (talk) 15:08, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
I just created a draft for Haim Roet who recently died. He initiated the “Unto every Person There Is A Name” memorial project. Thriley (talk) 15:15, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
An RfC of interest
An RfC of possible interest to the members of this WikiProject can be found here.
Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Credibility bot
As this is a highly active WikiProject, I would like to introduce you to Credibility bot. This is a bot that makes it easier to track source usage across articles through automated reports and alerts. We piloted this approach at Wikipedia:Vaccine safety and we want to offer it to any subject area or domain. We need your support to demonstrate demand for this toolkit. If you have a desire for this functionality, or would like to leave other feedback, please endorse the tool or comment at WP:CREDBOT. Thanks! Harej (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:History of the Jews in Turkey#Requested move 21 August 2023
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:History of the Jews in Turkey#Requested move 21 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:00, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Jewish identity guidelines
Does WikiProject Judaism or WikiProject Jewish history have guidelines for when to classify subjects of biographic articles as "Jewish", "people of Jewish descent", etc? I have not seen any such guidance. I have noticed that many editors, who may be coming from a non-Jewish perspective and may not understand Jewish identity, inaccurately classify many Jews as non-Jews. I have seen Jewish descriptors removed from articles about secular Jews, formerly religious Jews referred to as "former Jews", and so forth. I have seen people placed into categories as being merely "people of Jewish descent", when they are indeed Jews. These presumably non-Jewish editors seem to not comprehend that Jewish identity is not only a religious identity, but a socio-cultural and ethnic identity as well. I have also seen non-Jewish Messianic Christians classified as Jews, when Jewish communities and Jewish movements overwhelmingly reject this self-identification.
One more issue; the categories for Ashkenazim, Sephardim, etc. There seems to be no guidance for when to classify a person as Ashkenazi or Sephardi. The categories are currently organized according to ancestry. People with both Ashkenazi and Sephardi ancestors are typically categorized as both. Ashkenazi and Sephardi identity is more complicated than that. Being Ashkenazi or Sephardi can be considered a person's minhag, their ethnicity, or both. An Ashkenazi Orthodox woman who marries a Sephardi man may adopt her husband's minhag and consider herself Sephardi. A person with mixed ancestry and an Ashkenazi father may only consider themselves Ashkenazi, due to minhag being passed down on the patrilineal line. A convert through Chabad will adopt an Ashkenazic minhag. I think it would be useful to clarify these distinctions in articles and categories and clearly state how we are classifying people.
For these reasons and others, I think it could be useful to have inclusive but clear guidelines for determining Jewish identity. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Lithuanian Jews#Requested move 30 August 2023
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lithuanian Jews#Requested move 30 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 15:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel
There is currently a discussion around changing the name of the page from History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel to “History of the Jews and Judaism in Israel-Palestine. This may be of interest to members of this wikiproject. Mistamystery (talk) 18:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
New article, central to this WikiProject
Please note the new article at Jewish historiography, which describes the historical study of Jewish history. Given the central importance of the topic to this WikiProject, please do join in the effort to build out the article. I have built a fulsome bibliography with what I believe to be the most detailed sources focused specifically on wide-view Jewish historiographies, based on the 2006-07 sources in the section "Studies of Jewish historiography" which describe the most significant works in this meta-field. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:57, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon
Hello WikiProject Jewish history:
WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!
Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.
We hope to see you there!
Grnrchst (talk) 14:30, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Arab–Khazar wars FAC
The article on the Arab–Khazar wars, which falls under the scope of this project, is currently undergoing a Featured Article review. Interested editors are invited to participate. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 12:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
DYK candidate, and could use more eyes from knowledgeable folks. Andre🚐 01:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Holocaust_victims: Definition_and_scope
Please join the discussion at Talk:Holocaust_victims#Definition_and_scope. - Altenmann >talk 19:27, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
The page Post-Zionism is a disaster of a piece of content at present. It's almost wholly unsourced, could potentially be a personal essay, and the only sources are some op-eds, not scholarship. It's so dysfunctional that it borders on a WP:TNT case, but I thought it might be worth flagging it as a doer-upper first. Iskandar323 (talk) 22:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- In my view the content itself is salvageable. What it needs is some hard research that can locate the reliable sources that are missing. Maybe a tag that the article has not enough refs to reliable sources would do it? warshy (¥¥) 22:39, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- Well, I guess it already has the tag I'm referring to. warshy (¥¥) 22:41, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
New Category for Shelichei derabanan
Hello, I wanted to update about the creation of Category:Shelichei derabonan (rabbis). מי-נהר (talk) 23:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
New Category for the Delegates to the First World Zionist Congress
Shalom, I wanted to update about the creation of the Category:Delegates to the First World Zionist Congress. מי-נהר (talk) 23:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Western Wall
Western Wall has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:16, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Edict of Expulsion PR review
Hi there, I've asked for a peer review of the 1290 English Edict of Expulsion page, please help if you can. I'd like to get this to GA standard if possible. Any help much appreciated! Jim Killock (talk) 11:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Songs of thanksgiving (pesukei dezimra)#Requested move 10 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:00, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Timeline of antisemitism has an RfC
Timeline of antisemitism has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. patsw (talk) 16:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Maus#Requested move 11 February 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Maus#Requested move 11 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 01:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Edward I, author of the Edict of Expulsion
I have nominated Edward I of England for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Jim Killock (talk) 21:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:History of the Jews in Taiwan#Requested move 25 February 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:History of the Jews in Taiwan#Requested move 25 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 14:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Puławy faction#Requested move 4 March 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Puławy faction#Requested move 4 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Weaponization of antisemitism#Requested move 21 April 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Weaponization of antisemitism#Requested move 21 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 02:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi! I would appreciate some input at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 13#Category:Jewish communities destroyed in the Holocaust, in particular about whether List of Jewish communities destroyed in the Holocaust is a viable list. Thanks! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 13:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Judaism in association football RM
Please see Talk:Judaism in association football#Requested move 19 May 2024. GiantSnowman 17:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Significant discussion on the constitution of the Holocaust
There is a discussion at The Holocaust in Libya about whether the history of Jews under fascist Italy-occupied Libyan rule during the Holocaust should be regarded as "The Holocaust in Libya". ꧁Zanahary꧂ 03:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Samu Stern
Not sure about why almost every Wikipedia page on Jewish leaders during the Holocaust who were coerced, arrested, and tortured by Nazis are overwhelmingly negative and often downright slanderous. Just came across https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samu_Stern as an example. The criticism of his and Kasztner’s failure to publish protocols is bizarre since they were living in an oppressive totalitarian state and targeted directly by the Nazis. In spite of antisemitic conspiracies, they did not own all the presses or have free rein in terms of communication at the time. In fact, they were threatened with extreme measures, not just against them personally, but against countless individuals. Elleoneiram (talk) 14:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is it necessarily slanderous to just acknowledge that these leaders are controversial or viewed as collaborators? 208.223.193.114 (talk) 14:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Discussion at Wikipedia:Manual of Style
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#"Modern-day Israel" vs. "Palestine" when only for reader geographical reference, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 15:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Goyim Defense League as to whether to link to its website
I also note there's no project bander there although it's in related categories. And is this the most appropriate place to post? Doug Weller talk 16:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Battle of the Yarmuk
Battle of the Yarmuk has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 14:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Liviu Librescu
Liviu Librescu has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 07:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Talk:1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#RfC_–_In_the_article_section_about_"Haifa",_should_the_following_paragraph_be_added? about whether specific prose attributed to Benny Morris should be added to 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight. Editors are invited to participate. TarnishedPathtalk 07:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)