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Steamboat Willie

@Sumanuil, Gnom, Onel5969, and Anomalocaris: - just checking the status of Template:POTD/2024-01-01: currently it has a "coming soon" placeholder image in it. I assume the intention is that because the Steamboat Willie thing is coming out of copyright in the new year, we'll upload it to Commons that day and then substitute it in.

I have no issue with this in principle, it's quite a good story (although the POTD would have to be expanded to include some commentary on the film itself, not just its public domain status). Howeveer, I can foresee a few issues with this:

  1. Presumably, the public domain status will only kick in when the clock turns to midnight in the US, which would be already five hours into the scheduled run of the POTD.
  2. We won't be able to do the usual thing of having a protected version of the POTD extant for the day before the run
  3. Someone will have to switch it in very quickly when the allotted time does come round
  4. We'll also have to wait for Commons protection to kick in on the new file (or for an admin to fully protect it over there)

Not sure if you've thought of any of these issues, but given this another option might be to have it run on the 2nd instead - almost as good and would resolve everything. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Re #4, that bot runs every 10 minutes. Schwede66 21:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Indeed. So realistically, after the clock strikes 5am, i.e. midnight (assuming we go by US eastern time?) we would have maybe 20–30 minutes to upload the video, get it protected, and then send the POTD live. I suppose if there were an appeitte for it, as a sort of IAR option, we could always put the previous day's POTD in the 1 January slot initially so it continues its run past midnight, then swap it over once everything's in place... (probably not by me, as I'm unlikely to be awake at 5am on NYD, either from the previous day or the next day's perspective!)  — Amakuru (talk) 23:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
I see. I hadn't really followed what the plan was but now I understand. Midnight EST is 6pm where I am, hence I can take on these tasked if we decide that's what we want to do. I have to say I quite like the placeholder idea; quite quirky! Schwede66 00:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
That said, what is written under Steamboat Willie#Copyright status doesn't fill me with confidence that the item will have a clear run on Errors. Schwede66 00:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I have no idea about that. My head always spins when I try to get my head around some of these things! It sounds like probably the copyright itself will definitely expire (barring any 11th-hour actions) but the trademark not. I guess normally trademarks aren't really a problem for us, maybe? Perhaps there will be a deletion discussion at Commons if and when it's uploaded, and the experts will weigh in, but with this goal of running on 1 January, that doesn't really give us any leeway.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:36, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
@Amakuru and Schwede66: Hello, and thank you so much for helping with this fun little project. As I originally had the idea for this POTD, I'm happy to answer your questions.
  • First of all, there is really nothing to worry about copyright-wise: Yes, Steamboat Willie will enter the Public Domain under U.S. copyright law on 1 January, and even the Walt Disney Corporation agrees with that, which is why they doubled up on trademark protection for Mickey Mouse over the last couple of years. (For some background, I have a Ph.D. in copyright law, which is what got me interested in this story in the first place.)
  • The file that we will display is File:Steamboat Willie (1928) by Walt Disney.webm, which is a 1080p version of the film that has already been uploaded, deleted, and checked by Commons admins. So to confirm, nothing needs to be re-uploaded, it's already on Commons and will be un-deleted just in time.
  • I wrote an entire blog post about Steamboat Willie entering the Public Domain that will be published on the WMF blog on 1 January (at midnight UTC). A number of news outlets will be reporting on this as well.
Thank you again, and let me know if you have any additional questions! --Gnom (talk) 08:45, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Do you have a Commons admin on standby for the undeletion and the protection, Gnom? Schwede66 09:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Indeed, and this admin must also be put in charge of protecting the video for the day when it's uploaded. Or at least allow time for the Krinklebot protection to kick in. I'd also be interested to understand the implication of the timezone question above. If the copyright is registered in the Eastern US then we still need to wait until 5am UTC to publish. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
No, we don't have a 'designated Commons admin' yet, maybe it is a good idea to have one – I can take care of that.
For the question regarding intertemporal law, my position would be that we can just un-delete the image at 10.00 pm UTC, and 'flick the switch' at midnight UTC – after 95 years of copyright protection, there will be no fuss about a few hours give or take. De minimis non curat praetor. Gnom (talk) 10:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the response, and it sounds like it's all mostly good. And with all due respect for your PhD in copyright law, which sounds like an impressive achievement indeed, you'll forgive me for being a bit sceptical about taking chances and being a bit woolly with regard to timing. Asserting that "there will be no fuss about a few hours give or take" is not really the same as the "precautionary principle" that I would expect us to take when it comes to main-page content. This is particularly so, as noted at the earlier deletion discussion, Disney is known for being highly protective and litigous about their content. So in short, unless someone from the WMF legal team, or a strong consensus of those who know about legal issues here on Wikipedia, says it's fine, I think we should stick with the 5am plan. Schwede66 do you concur with that, and thanks also for the offer to do the honours re the switcheroo!  — Amakuru (talk) 11:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Well, I think not even Disney would be so crazy as to send a DMCA to the WMF (which is all they can do) a few hours before ET midnight, and even if they did, it would become moot by the time someone in San Francisco reads it. But I totally understand if you prefer to rather go live at 5.00 am UTC. Gnom (talk) 11:47, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Without having WMF Legal on board, I’d rather not chance it. Schwede66 16:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Kia ora Podzemnik, do you know whether you will be around on 1 January at 18h for this undeletion task? Schwede66 16:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
I'll very likely be somewhere in the bush Podzemnik (talk) 18:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Was hoping you’d say that. Enjoy! I’ll go tramping today myself; back Saturday. Schwede66 18:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  • It's a good idea to post Steamboat Willie as a non-Wiki friend of mine mentioned it the other day and so there's already some buzz about this. Commons is not a significant obstacle because the image can be loaded and protected directly on the English Wikipedia. The admin instructions for ITN list the various ways of posting an image to the main page quickly. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  • @Amakuru: The only problem with this is that Steamboat Willie isn't a featured picture. It's recent nomination (Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Steamboat Willie) failed, so probably something other should be scheduled for that day. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 06:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
    @Armbrust: oh... what a good point - I can't believe I didn't even think about that! We're so busy tying ourselves in knots over the copyright status, and yet the (non)-video itself isn't even an FP. I've moved it to Draft:POTD/Steamboat Willie for the time being, I guess it can be resurrected sometime in the year if and when it's uploaded and if the community confirms it as an FP. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
    This saddens me. Can we not make this an exception? Gnom (talk) 22:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
    Agree with Gnom that we should make an WP:IAR exception here. Looking at the FPC nom, it didn't fail because it was undeserving but because it wasn't available to be uploaded yet. If someone uploads a high resolution version, it seems like a formality to get it approved. Since the essence of IAR is to take action that's in line with the spirit of our policies/principles even if a procedure gets in the way, it seems applicable IMO. BTW I've cross-posted this discussion at VPM, since it's probably of interest to more than just those who watch this page. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:15, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
    Thank you, @Rhododendrites. FYI, we do have a high-resolution (1080p) version uploaded on Commons and ready to be undeleted on 31 December just before midnight. Gnom (talk) 23:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
    @Gnom: It would probably be helpful if you could produce a link to the uploaded version somewhere on the web where people can access it now (without being an admin on Commons). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 00:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
    WP:IAR in this case makes sense to me too. This seems like it will be a significant cultural event in an area with a direct relevance to us, but getting it officially past FP in time seems unlikely to happen since we can't upload it until the instant we'd want to make it PotD for the exact reasons it's going to be a significant cultural event and what makes it relevant to us. Anomie⚔ 14:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
    The thing is, there's no version for anyone to assess. I think putting a non-featured-picture in the today's featured picture slot is really a no-no. Part of the reason it was rejected at FPC was because nobody could vet the quality of the supposed uploaded version, what resolution it was and all that. All I'd say is, if you want to make this an IAR case then as a prerequisite you'll need to somehow convince the regulars at WP:FPC that this warrants an IAR. If it's possible to somehow make it clear to people what the proposed video actually is, and then get Armbrust to sign off that a consensus has been formed, then I'll be happy to assist at POTD-level in whatever fashion you want - even if that means swapping the FP into its slot midway through the day and possibly relisting it again some other time too. I'm not against this running, but the correct boxes do need to be ticked. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
    The thing is, there's no version for anyone to assess - Gnom is there somewhere else on the internet that people can see the version waiting to be undeleted on Commons? if you want to make this an IAR case then as a prerequisite you'll need to somehow convince the regulars at WP:FPC that this warrants an IAR - Disagree. This is of much wider interest than the handful of FPC regulars. IMO the point of the IAR action here is to put this file on the main page, not to make it a FP without FPC and then put it on the main page. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
    @Rhododendrites: You can see a lower resolution version (360p) on Youtube. However, the Commons admins have confirmed that the version they are ready to undelete comes from Disney Video (video.disney.com, this link may be not accessible if you're outside the US) and its resolution is 1080p. Gnom (talk) 22:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
    IMO the point of the IAR action here is to put this file on the main page, not to make it a FP without FPC and then put it on the main page. I was going to say the same thing. The "FPC regulars" don't have any special say if the rule we're ignoring is that the PotD needs to have passed FP. Which is what has been suggested above. Anomie⚔ 01:42, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
    Hi all, this is a great idea, and I'm happy to supply the technical work to make this happen. I would suggest we have two versions of the POTD, one for pre-5am UTC and one for after. The one before can have a placeholder icon (copyright logo?) and a blurb that explains how it will become public domain at midnight EST (bonus points if someone can whip up a tiny JavaScript countdown clock). Then when it's undeleted on Commons (automatically detected using {{#ifexist:}}), the blurb switches to the real video and whatever text we originally wanted.
    As one of the operators of KrinkleBot that does the autoprotection on Commons, we can have the bot protect it ahead of time so it kicks in right away after undeletion. Or we tell the undeleter to protect it for 24h. Or both.
    And I'm 100% on board with what everyone else has said re: IAR. Legoktm (talk) 15:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
    If it’s a high res video and those are usually approved as FPs, then IAR is appropriate. Schwede66 17:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
    Re: countdown, should we really use JavaScript on the Main Page? It might bring accessibility concerns, especially when it is used in the most popular Wikipedia page. {{countdown}} could potentially work well, though it requires page purging and I don't know whether something bad would happen if the Main Page is constantly purged. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 12:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
    As long as the script is done with progressive enhancement and has proper error handling in case of really old browsers, it should be fine from that perspective. Whether people would want the necessary script added to sitewide JS even if someone wrote it I don't know. Anomie⚔ 13:54, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
    I see; I was a bit worried whether JS-related error handling was possible. I've found this user script that could help, and there was a related MediaWiki:Common.js failed feature request a while back. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 14:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
    What do you think of this? The countdown should appear if you install this script I just created derived from ToxiBoi's script I linked in my second reply. Disabling JavaScript in the page makes the countdown disappear. (On a side note, I omitted the number of days left, since when it appears in the Main Page it will be 0.) ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 16:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
    I have made a few more tweaks to the countdown proposal, such as the addition of "This image will be replaced by a video of the film in a moment." when the countdown ends and the file hasn't been uploaded. It's worth mentioning that the page restarts when the countdown ends. Removed this feature. I need some feedback about this before I ask about its implementation at the technical village pump. I have just got a problem; {{#ifexist:}} does not detect whether a file on Commons exists, it can only detect local files. I guess the video should also be localized to Wikipedia as soon as it's uploaded on Commons? ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 22:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
  • WP:IAR is that we should ignore rules, if they prevent us from improving or maintaining Wikipedia. I don’t see how that would apply here. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:54, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
    • I'd have thought it would be pretty obvious from the statements above: Several of us here think that this file, as it goes into the public domain, would be an excellent PotD. The rule that PotD is supposed to be an FP would prevent that. Nitpicking over what might be "improving" or "maintaining" is similarly against the spirit of the rule. Anomie⚔ 01:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
  • I have now worked on the article by fixing and removing maintenance templates (the article should probably be without them if it appears in bold on the Main Page!). I also expanded the POTD draft's blurb with more information about the film, while adding inline citations in the article to confirm those facts. It should be mostly finished. So... @Legoktm and Anomie, thoughts on the countdown and {{#ifexist:}} issue? ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 17:56, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Would you all agree to make an RfC on whether the video can appear as a POTD on that day or not? A user has suggested this at the VPT. Pinging active participants in this discussion: @Amakuru, Anomie, Armbrust, Gnom, and Schwede66. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 22:06, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
    No, I would not support that. If those who look after the main page are happy with what's proposed, that's good enough. We are way too close to the event for an RfC to be useful. Schwede66 22:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
    Hello @ObserveOwl, thank you for helping us move the discussion forward. I am happy either way, but @Schwede66 is probably right. Steamboat Willie was a major milestone in the history of animation, and we have a high-resolution version coming directly from the distributor, so there is surely no doubt that this is an excellent item for POTD. Plus, 1 January will be the day it will be in the news (and it already is), the WMF blog and social media accounts will cover it on that day as well, so it's just too 'cool' to let this opportunity pass – that is my personal opinion, of course. Gnom (talk) 23:43, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
    There's not time for a formal RfC. So far, of people who've commented here, only Armbrust and Amakuru have argued against. Their opposition seems to have been on the basis that it has not passed FPC, with a suggestion that they thought that IAR was going to be applied to declare it an FP without it passing FPC. Amakuru has not commented since the clarification that the rule we're proposing to apply IAR to is the rule that the PotD is supposed to be an FP. Armbrust has commented since then, but only with a statement that suggests he wants to strictly apply the "rule" of IAR to somehow disqualify IAR from being applied. Anomie⚔ 02:00, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
    Thank you all for your input, really appreciate it. I was also surprised when an RfC was suggested so I had to ask you. I also think it would be a good POTD, though people at the VPT really dislike the idea of a JS countdown. It won't be included in the POTD blurb, I guess . ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 07:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
    I have to say that I am also not a big fan of the countdown idea, to be honest.--Gnom (talk) 12:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
    Thanks, it's good to know what others think of it. I have been requesting feedback here since two days ago, and only got some after asking the village pump like fifteen hours ago, so I've been quite nervous about it lately. I will follow consensus whether it tells me that a countdown is appropriate or not. I've made a few tweaks to the draft; do you think it could now be moved to Template:POTD/2024-01-01? ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 13:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
    Yes, please. Gnom (talk) 22:22, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
    You need to get approval at WP:FPC before this is moved to the POTD space. Per Armbrust's comment above, this was expressly discussed in October at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Steamboat Willie and there wasn't consensus, so a further decision would be needed to reverse that. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 23:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
    @Anomie: and sorry, I hadn't specifically seen your message above, I've been only sporadically online over Christmas and still travelling until Friday. I'm not against the idea of running this per se, but I do disagree that it's valid to apply IAR to it, given that the FPC very specifically discussed exactly the scenario that's being proposed here and many participants rejected the candidacy due to being uncomfortable approving an unseen image to the main page. My advice would be to ping in everyone who participated at the above FPC and perhaps start a fresh one including everyone here, explaining clearly which video is planned and what its resolution is, etc, with the goal of wrapping up a clear consensus (or lack thereof) by the 31st. Without that buy in and overturning of the earlier decision, I would strongly oppose running this.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
    You're welcome to your opinion. Personally I don't see that WP:FPC owns WP:POTD, nor am I convinced that 4 opposes (some of which seem not to apply to the current situation) versus 5 supports is convincing to block this. Anomie⚔ 00:39, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
    After some following the discussion here, it seems astounding that there are editors who wish to put at risk this being the picture of the day. Any use of procedural barriers will only discredit the whole project. Incidentally, this subject is established in press coverage, including a full showing of the video at [1]. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 08:57, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Just so they're aware of this discussion - pinging in all participants from the prior FPC - @Adam Cuerden, Armbrust, Bammesk, Geni, Gnom, Janke, MER-C, Nick-D, Paul 012, The Herald, and TheHistoryBuff101:. To be clear, I don't object to any of this myself - although I have some misgivings about whether we'll get the best version available on the day, I an certainly see the appeal of doing this and I'm happy to IAR myself and go with the flow, knowing the topic is of very strong encyclopaedic interest and that we know the video would ordinarily be a slamdunk for FP. Happy to help out if I can too, although as noted it's unlikely I'll be awake at midnight eastern time! Let's just make sure we're clear that we have that consensus and that we have a rough plan of how to proceed on the day though, preferably with people lined up to fulfil the various roles outlined. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
  • I've just had a look at Template:POTD protected/2024-01-01 (due to go live in just under 3 hours) and it already had the video linked. The consensus below is that we start with the placeholder image for the first 5 hours. I've thus restored that placeholder image and will self-revert at 5am UTC. Schwede66 21:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
    Thanks @Schwede66. I've set up {{show by date}} to automatically do the 5am UTC switchover, the Main Page will just need to be purged at that time. Legoktm (talk) 22:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Concrete proposal

I am a regular at WP:FPC and participated in the October FP nomination. Here is the summary of what's proposed above:

  1. A 1080 version of the Steamboat Willie animation is posted by Disney at This link.
  2. A faithful reproduction of the 1080 animation was uploaded to Commons, in WebM format, at This link. The file was then deleted, and it will be undeleted [2], i.e. restored, on January 1st at 00:00 EST, i.e. 05:00 UTC.
  3. Between 5:00 UTC and 5:30 UTC on January 1st, the Commons admins and en-Wiki admins will protect and switch the main-page POTD to the animation, with its corresponding template-blurb currently at Draft:POTD/Steamboat Willie Template:POTD/2024-01-01.

Size

Oops, and you were doing so well. Size matters, as the authors of articles on crystals have started regularly reporting the size of crystals shown in photos. But it matters in art, too. Today, 1/8/2024, is a portrait, yesterday, 1/7/2024 was a portion of an altarpiece. On the page they are the same size, it reality one is small, 41 cm, and one is huge. But I have to go to the article to find out. Please make it standard practice to include the size of objects shown in every POTD. Wis2fan (talk) 04:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Size continued

Today’s POTD, the Liberty dollar, says it had the smallest diameter of any coin minted in the U.S. How small was it? Give the dimension, please. Actual size maters. Wis2fan (talk) 04:54, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Ernest Shackleton

While it's highly tempting to put him up on the 15th, don't: TFA has the same idea, and is leading with the featured picture! Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 08:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

'Sergey Stepnyak-Kravchinsky was a Ukrainian revolutionary...'

This description, while technically correct - he was from Ukraine and he was a revolutionary - seems to create a somewhat misleading impression. It sounds as if his revolutionary activity had something to do with his Ukrainian origins and was dedicated to the Ukrainian national cause. This is what people can imagine in the context of present-day events when they read about a Ukrainian killing a Russian official. The cause that Stepnyak-Kravchinsky actually fought for was that of the Narodniks - a majority-Russian movement for the establishment of democracy and socialism (with local characteristics) in the Russian Empire. 'A Ukrainian narodnik revolutionary' would perhaps be a more adequate description. Even that sounds a bit too much as if he identified as ethnically Ukrainian, which may or may not be true for all I know, but I suspect that the description has been chosen just based on the location of his birth, and that isn't a sufficient reason to assume that he identified so. 62.73.69.121 (talk) 21:32, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

This is going to be on the main page for just under one more hour. Any suggestions for how to change the wording? Schwede66 23:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Direct jpg URI

Is it possible to have a URI just pointing to the jpg file? Something like (this syntax does not exist; it is just a suggestion):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day.jpg

Showing for example: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Acanthite_-_Imiter_mine%2C_Jbel_Saghro%2C_Tinghir%2C_Dr%C3%A2a-Tafilalet%2C_Morocco.jpg Carrasco (talk) 11:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

If we were to create a redirect at File:Picture of the day (I left off ".jpg" to not be confusing for days when the POTD is a png, svg, gif, or other non-jpeg) to the POTD file and update it daily (by bot), then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Redirect/file/Picture_of_the_day would take you to the file (similarly to e.g. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Redirect/file/CC-BY). Unfortunately we can't just #REDIRECT [[File:{{POTD/{{#time:Y-m-d}}|image}}]] as the redirect syntax does not allow templates in the target, and for Special:Redirect/file/ to work it has to be in the file namespace. Anomie⚔ 12:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
You are right, my syntax example was bad; it should be something like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day_redirect
The application would be to pull into a page the current picture of the day that would change automatically:
<img src="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day_redirect">
No solution for the time being.
Thanks Carrasco (talk) 18:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
FYI, hotlinking a POTD image like that will often violate the Attribution part of Creative Commons licenses, which are often used by POTDs. See, for example, Help:Pictures#Links, which explains: Normally a picture links to its image page, which describes the image, who created it, and links to the original image at full resolution. This is usually best for the reader, and is often required by the uploader's choice of a CC-BY-SA license for the image. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Good point. Would linking back to the picture solve this?
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day_redirect"><img class=foto src="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day_redirect"></a> Carrasco (talk) 18:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Pomegranate

I am reporting an error on page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pomegranate. Here--and on the main entry itself at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomegranate and also on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pomegranate_arils.jpg--there is a "Featured picture scheduled for POTD" for November 28, 2024, whose description is erroneous. The photo's erroneous description is "Pomegranate arils." The problem is that pomegranates do not have arils and the correct description should be "Pomegranate seeds." I made a correction about this error in the entry text and also deleted one photo from the entry that had the erroneous caption, but was unable to correct the caption of the POTD photo myself in the entry either because it is impossible for me to do so or I do not know enough about WP editing to do it. The photo is fine but please change the caption. My explanation of the problem is on the entry "talk" page which is copied below:

The pomegranate entry has three problematic mentions of arils. As correctly stated in WP, an aril is a specialized outgrowth from the seeds of some plant species that partly or completely covers the seed. Pomegranates are not one of those species. This is a common mistake, even among botanists. First, please read this 2020 scientific paper at https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924224419310349 that was specifically written to bring notice about this common botanical error and to document the correct description using correct botanical terminology. Next, please examine the photo above. The red objects are pomegranate seeds, not arils, as mistakenly claimed in the caption. Pomegranate seeds have a central reproductive object consisting of the tegmen, cotyledons, and embryo, typically white in color; these objects are often mistakenly called the "seeds" of the pomegranate. Surrounding each central object is a red, very pulpy or fleshy type of testa--specifically a sarcotesta (named from the Greek term sark- which means "fleshy"), which contains all the pomegranate juice and is also correctly defined in WP. Tegmen and testa are correctly identified under seed coat in WP; they are the developmental derivatives of the integuments or outer layers of cells of the ovule and are both quite distinct from being any type of aril. The bottom line is that the pomegranate seed consists of BOTH the central reproductive object and the sarcotesta. There are no arils. I am going to remove the term arils from the entry. I'm not sure if I can change the term in the two photo captions to seeds so someone else may have to do it. Steven (talk) 22:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC) Steven (talk) 21:54, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Waitlist

I've had a poke around but couldn't find what I was looking for. How many POTDs have yet to be shown on the main page? Or does something become a Featured Picture only through the POTD process? Background to my query is that I gave a presentation on Wikipedia's main page and POTD is the part I know least about. Schwede66 07:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Schwede66, as per first paragraph of Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Archive 11, additional emphasis mine:

The picture of the day (POTD) is a [...] updated every day with one or more featured pictures [...]

Meaning that a picture is a featured picture first, and a POTD second.
Something becomes a Featured Picture through the Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates process, if it satisfies the Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria.
The scheduling of POTDs should follow Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Guidelines.
POTDs are scheduled ahead of time. For example, almost half of April is already planned, but only four pictures have been planned for May. For specific anniversaries, the scheduling can be done months or even years in advance, e.g. Template:POTD/2025-11-17 and Template:POTD/2028-02-02. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

POTD archive history page

What I see on my home page POTD is not reflected in the archive search. May 5 2024 shows a Serbian food platter, archive shows giant glyphs in the desert. BobBataviaIL (talk) 05:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

POTDPageCreator: Template:POTD/2024-06-07 does not exist

While attempting to create Template:POTD protected/2024-06-07, I found that Template:POTD/2024-06-07 does not exist. Please create it! When you have fixed this issue, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. I will repost the notice if the page is still broken or is re-broken. If you have any questions or comments that my operator should see, please post a notice to User talk:AnomieBOT. Thanks! AnomieBOT⚡ 22:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

POTDPageCreator: Template:POTD/2024-06-10 does not exist

While attempting to create Template:POTD protected/2024-06-10, I found that Template:POTD/2024-06-10 does not exist. Please create it! When you have fixed this issue, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. I will repost the notice if the page is still broken or is re-broken. If you have any questions or comments that my operator should see, please post a notice to User talk:AnomieBOT. Thanks! AnomieBOT⚡ 22:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

POTDPageCreator: Template:POTD/2024-06-13 does not exist

While attempting to create Template:POTD protected/2024-06-13, I found that Template:POTD/2024-06-13 does not exist. Please create it! When you have fixed this issue, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. I will repost the notice if the page is still broken or is re-broken. If you have any questions or comments that my operator should see, please post a notice to User talk:AnomieBOT. Thanks! AnomieBOT⚡ 22:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

POTDPageCreator: Template:POTD/2024-06-19 does not exist

While attempting to create Template:POTD protected/2024-06-19, I found that Template:POTD/2024-06-19 does not exist. Please create it! When you have fixed this issue, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. I will repost the notice if the page is still broken or is re-broken. If you have any questions or comments that my operator should see, please post a notice to User talk:AnomieBOT. Thanks! AnomieBOT⚡ 22:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

POTDPageCreator: Template:POTD/2024-06-20 does not exist

While attempting to create Template:POTD protected/2024-06-20, I found that Template:POTD/2024-06-20 does not exist. Please create it! When you have fixed this issue, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. I will repost the notice if the page is still broken or is re-broken. If you have any questions or comments that my operator should see, please post a notice to User talk:AnomieBOT. Thanks! AnomieBOT⚡ 22:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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