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New series of lead maps for Indian states

Some states have the old maps while some have the new ones. Kindly update all states with the new maps. Also, some states do not have the entire state in 100% focus in their map. Maquahuitl^talk! 20:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Religious harmony in India

Article Religious violence in India is giving totally one sided and wrong picture of India , So I have started a constructive article at Religious harmony in India and request every constructive Indian Wikipedian to contribute article

Mahitgar (talk) 13:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Is it policy problem or policing with somepolicy I donot know some people deleted my effort to create an article at Sandbox first then they shifted the same to my personal user space here User:Mahitgar/Religious harmony in India so ,how do I invite other contributors for contributing in to this article ?

While I do want to go with rules over here at en wiki , but if a semi regular visitor like me gets baffled while creating new articles here , I wonder what a totally new guy may be facing here while creating his or her first article ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahitgar (talk • contribs) 16:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Mahitgar, whoever moved your draft article from the main sandbox to your user area did you a favor. The main sandbox gets written over frequently. Usually work like this gets done in a user sandbox – which has been done for you. Other people can edit articles in your sandbox, so your invitation here remains open for other editors to participate. I have refactored the link in the header for this topic so that interested editors can go directly to the proper article location. Askari Mark (Talk) 17:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

History of North India

I have expressed in the article about the History of South Asia my concern about the lack of a true article with title "History of North India" like exist the article "History of South India", now the section "North India history" in the diagrams about the indian history is holded by the article "History of the Punjab" wich is only a single region of all North India. --Bentaguayre (talk) 20:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Not needed. North India itself is very ill-defined. And in any case South India is a much smaller region if you take the maximum possible limits of North India.Maquahuitl^talk! 02:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Umm if exist South India, exist North India the fact that is ill-defined don't mean that don't exist wich imply that have history. If you think what do you say, why we don't take out this article wich have a section about history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_India and clean the redirection to Punjab History from the historical diagram? --Bentaguayre (talk) 16:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry I didn't understand what you said. Can you be a bit more clear? As in the first post?Maquahuitl^talk! 00:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Maps on Indian City Pages

The location of a city shown on this map is more useful and convey's more to the reader than the location of the city with respect to its state

The maps on some Indian city pages, like Coimbatore, Chennai, Kolkata, etc. show the state and the city's location within the state. Since this is a global encyclopedia and since the average reader doesnt know where a certain state lies, wouldnt it make more sense to show the city's location with reference to the country like the maps of Nashik, Nagpur. This is the case in almost all other city pages on wiki. Nikkul (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Why not extend this logic to the whole world?Maquahuitl^talk! 00:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

The city pages that you refer to have a inset map that shows the position of the state w.r.t the country. City pages like Nagpur (with the India map) are waiting for state locator maps to be made. We are getting them done at a good pace. The U.S city articles do something similar. See Long Beach, California for example. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 10:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Vaishnavism's relation to Vedic religion

The discussion, Vaishnavism's relation to Vedic religion, is now on the Vaishnavism Wikiproject talk page, Vaishnavism's relation to Vedic religion. Any comments? Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Need help on a new article:February 2008 attacks on North Indians in Maharashtra

Hello everybody! Can someone review it? I know the refs need formattting. Thanks, KnowledgeHegemony 18:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I added flag of MNS to page as it lacked images gppande (talk) 15:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

My review - the article reads terribly lopsided and almost like an attack piece on the MNS. The tone needs a major overhaul and several of the cherrypicked soundbites ought to go. For example, it will be sufficient to say in the lead or somewhere else in the article that RT's flaying of AB came in for condemnation from some of AB's colleagues in the industry like Shyam Benegal, Lajmi etc., and also from Bal Thackerey. Their quotes should then be wrapped in "ref" tags. Extensive quotes from bystanders with no locus standi like Benegal, Lajmi etc makes it look ugly. Pray, who is Lajmi? Who is Benegal? Are they party to the dispute? Are they political commentators? Are they politicians? Also, while we have extensive quotes from Lajmi and Benegal and Bal Thackerey, similar quotes are missing from the likes of Nana Patekar, sunil shetty etc., who supported MNS. And Jaya Bacchan's views on the issue are of no consequence if said in her capacity as AB's wife.. but hold some value solely because she is a RS MP. And there is no need to reproduce verbatim her inane attempts at sarcasm like "I dont know who Raj Thackerey is" - unless she's lying, she actually proves RT's point that they're far removed from MH and its affairs. In a nutshell, the article has {{tone}}, {{POV}} and WP:UNDUE problems. Sarvagnya 17:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. True the tone is lop-sided and article has too many quotes. But as for the Nana Patekar, Salman Khan issue they haven't commented on the issue openly. KnowledgeHegemony 14:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I have taken a stab at it by[substantially re-writing the lead. Hope we can take it from there. The sections that follow still need substantial corrections for tone, POV and UNDUE. Sarvagnya 22:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

In light of the various shortcomings (POV, UNDUE, TONE) in the article I had it deleted. Thanks for the help anyways. KnowledgeHegemony 16:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Is this a joke? All those "various shortcomings" were your creations/contributions and none of that is sufficient reason to delete an article. You should atleast have had the courtesy to take it to AfD, if you thought that it ought to be deleted. Well.. I'll ping the deleting admin. Thanks for wasting my time. Sarvagnya 18:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, perhaps you'll be less sharp in future. I must say I find this vastly amusing. We're so used to being harsh and overcritical we haven't an idea what to do when someone takes it seriously. Relata refero (talk) 11:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Desperately seeking help

Can someone from the project make sense of Khoor? The article is so confusing that I can't categorize it properly. I'm tempted to just submit it for deletion since the lack of context currently makes the article of no use whatsoever. I'd really appreciate it if someone here can take a few minutes to clean it up. Thanks, Pichpich (talk) 13:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I've tagged it as speedy candidate; direct copyvio of [1]. Relata refero (talk) 13:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

discussion required for the article "culture of India"

Talk:Culture of India If you have knowledge of Indian Literature then your views are awaited in sec.16 of the discussion page of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumitkumar kataria (talk • contribs) 02:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposal of having a coordinator election for Wikiproject India

Wikiproject India has grown over the years and has grown into several sub-groups. Now i think the time has come to have some coordinators to look over all of the procedural and administrative aspects of the project, and serve as the designated points-of-contact for procedural issues. Already Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Coordinators, Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Coordinators snd Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history have one. Lets start a consensus,only about starting the election not the actual election process here. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 07:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, not a bad proposal. having 2 or 3 people coordinating the things would be good. --Dwaipayan (talk) 07:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome template ?

Is there a Wikiproject India specific "Welcome template" (something like {{Hindu Links}}) that at a minimum provides a link to this noticeboard ? Abecedare (talk) 23:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

{{India Links}} and {{India quick links}}. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 23:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks ! I have added links to the templates on the wikiproject main page. Abecedare (talk) 00:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Gag-order

For a couple years now, I have been engaged in editing First War of Indian Independence relating to what is also termed as the Indian Mutiny. While I have provided multiple sources which state that these series of events are almost universally known in India as the First War of Independence, the British POV-pushers insist that this series of events should be known as a Rebellion or Mutiny which in my opinion runs contrary to the Wikipedia policy where the term used by a majority of English speakers (350 odd million in India) should get precedence. Well, I shall admit that I did lose my cool on the page a few months ago and was restricted from editing editing the article for 3 months. A rule by which I abided considering it was my mistake to lose my head. However, once the restriction was lifted, I went back to editing the article abiding by Wikipedia rules. For no rhyme or reason, a certain British POV-Pusher filed an RfC against me to restrict my usage on all India related pages to 1RR. This failed. So he filed a report with ArbCom and had me restricted to 1RR. Once again, I did abide by that ruling, though in my opinion it was filed with malicious intent. Now, even after abiding my this 1RR, another British POV-pusher filed a report to ArbCom which changed my 1RR limit to a ban on all British Raj related articles. There was no community consensus - as can be gauged from this link - [[2]]

Two Indian editors came out in my support while odd British POV pushers voted to have me banned. Hence there was no clear consensus. Once again, it was the same user who filed the report who actually executed the ban.

While I intend to abide by this ban which I feel was completely unjustified, I request other Indian editors to actually visit Rebellion of 1857 to help instill the NPOV on this page and stop its blatant Britishization. I had pointed out on the talk page that the issue is clearly divided along racial lines and was censured for bringing race into the picture. The British POV pushers have been trying to portray the British Rule in a benign manner. This is just not the case on Rebellion of 1857 page, but a series of other pages.

I request other Indian editors in good stead to come forward and help Rebellion of 1857 adhere to a NPOV. Thanks. DemolitionMan (talk) 08:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Himalayan Sheepdog up for AfD

A heads up that the article about the Himalayan Sheepdog, a rare Indian breed(?), is up for AfD. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Uttar Pradesh not mentioned in Agriculture in India

Folks, I went thru the Agriculture in India article on wikipedia. I was surprised to see no mention of U.P. in the entire article. Just want the editors to know that UP is the largest food producing state in India (the state may also be the largest consumer too!). Take a look at Ministry of Agriculture page on production: http://agricoop.nic.in/statistics/krfood.htm

There is a section named "Agriculture in the Indian states" in the article that should be corrected. Editors, please fix this mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.105.58 (talk) 11:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion regarding Agriculture in India. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 18:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Madakkavil

Members of this project may be interested in the following deletion discussion:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madakkavil (2nd nomination)

--B. Wolterding (talk) 16:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

British Raj , Company rule in India

Please help in resolving disputes and NPOV issues related to British Raj and Company rule in India articles. I added these two articles to Colabration dashboard a few days ago, but did not receive much response. My main problem with these articles is that both appear to display British Raj and East India Company in a positive benign manner and I completely fail to see that logic because it mainly means that people fighting the East India Company in Indian Rebellion of 1857 and freedom struggle were wasting their time. Thank you and my apologies if this is not the right place to post this. Desione (talk) 07:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this is the appropriate page to bring article issues to the attention of a larger audience interested in India-related topics.

The ~~easiest~~ only way to deal with NPOV issues is to bring forth reliable sources that, either

rebut the current content of the article, or
add additional details or another POV

Given that the topic of these articles have been widely studied by historians, we should have no problem locating scholarly books and articles written by acknowledged experts and published by reputable publishers. Perhaps you can begin by listing sources that you would like to add, on the respective article talk pages.

Finally note that our aim on wikipedia is not to establish that the British raj was benign or malign; but simply to summarize what the various experts (perhaps with different POVs) have written on the topic. Abecedare (talk) 08:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what to make of user:Desione's post about the "positive benign" POV of some British India history articles. Here, for example, is a current section of one: Revenue settlements under the Company, with References. Please read Talk:Company rule in India for further discussion and for examples of user:Desione's additions. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The Editor like Fowler & Fowler is a big POV pusher and supporter of British point of view, he is sidelining other Indian editors to push his biased British point of view and painting British rule as blessing and positive development for India, it is rediculous that he has been allowed to do so in contravention of wikipedia policies. --Himhifi 02:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Native Language Titles for Indian Cities

Hi everyone! I have noticed that on all the Indian city pages, the infobox never has the name of the city in the region's language. For example, New Delhi does not have "नई दिल्ली" written in it's infobox; Mumbai does not have "मुंबई" in its infobox, etc. Cities in other countries have put their native language in: China (Beijing, Shanghai), Taiwan (Taipei), Singapore, Russia (Moscow, Saint Petersburg), Japan (Tokyo, Kyoto), and the list goes on... Now, I understand India has many languages, but couldn't the compromise be to write the name in English and then the regional dialect (i.e. in the New Delhi infobox, put it in English and Hindi; in the Mumbai infobox, put it in English and Marathi). Or even follow the lead of the Singapore page, and place the name in more than two languages, if the need arises. Hopefully this doesn't start a major argument. If it does, let's just cut it, leave it at the status quo, and move onto bigger and better things. Vamooom (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Please see Goa, among others. Cheers. Saravask (talk) 20:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The {{Infobox Indian Jurisdiction}} does have the provision for adding the city name in IAST and native script; and we can add city/state names in the state/UT's official language. However like all language related issues, it can be a can of worms and I don't known if there is a project-wide consensus on this either way. Note that the article lede invariably contains the name in native script, so the readers are not being deprived of the information - it is only a matter of display prominence.Abecedare (talk) 21:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, all good points... thanks for the information. I may add the native script names to some of the cities and see how it goes over with other editors. Thanks again! Vamooom (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Religious harmony in India listed for deletion

The article Religious harmony in India listed for deletion second time.I wonder why people should have POV against Religious harmony in India but that POV is quite apparant that is the reason it is listed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Religious harmony in India here.

I request those who want to keep this article do vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Religious harmony in India so I can keep working further on this article.

If every 10 minutes if some one or other wants to delete the article how do I spend more time to improve the article ? Openion from people working on India related projects is needed urgently.

Thanks and looking forward to support

Mahitgar (talk) 12:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

India-related articles of unclear notability

Hello,

there are currently about 100 articles in the scope of WikiProject India which are tagged with notability concerns. Based on a database snapshot of March 12, I have listed them here.

For deciding whether these topics are sufficiently notable for an article on Wikipedia, help by people familiar with the topic can be particularly useful, since sources are often not available in English, or do not appear in the mainstream English press. I would therefore encourage members of this project to have a look at those articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.

If you have further questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 12:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Anti-Pakistani sentiment listed for deletion

Put up just for information.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Shaikhul Hind listed for deletion

Has been put by me for deletion .Please feel free to either support or oppose as per your opinion.It is being stated that he was freedom fighter but my knowledge and independent sources feel he is notable.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I have added the article to WP:DSI, which is a good venue for informing the project members of current AFDs of interest. I hope more editors will watchlist the WP:DSI page and participate in listed AFDs. Abecedare (talk) 19:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Abuse on Hindi Wikipedia

All most all and at least three confirmed have grossly missused their Administratators Tools on Hindi Wikipedia. Their Names are Rajiv Mass, Purnima Varman and Manish Vashishtha. Not only that Administratator Rajiv Mass has opened dummy account in name of Ravi Jain and miss used to harass other members of Hindi, Gujarati, Marathi, English wikipedia. I have complained in poor English to English Wikipedia Administratators and one has advised me to write here. Those who know Hindi very well should visit Hindi wikipedia to solve the problem and this fact should be brought to all Administratators of world. I signed as vkvora. vkvora2001 (talk) 02:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Abuse on Hindi Wikipedia

www.hi.wikipedia.org

All Administrators of Hindi Wikipedia are involved and particularly (1) Rajiv Mass (2) Purnima Varman and (3) Manish Vashistha confirmed. Other three are in line of confirmation.

Rajiv Mass has opend dummy account in name of Ravi Jain on Hindi, Gujarati, Marathi, English and many languages with IP 124.124.36.4 of Rajiv Mass and harassing other members on many languages.

hi.wikipedia gu.wikipedia mr.wikipedia en.wikipedia

Everything with fact is given on Hindi Wikipedia and all Admn. know.

In case all Admn. on Hindi wikipedia are involved, please, bring this fact to entire world.

I am from India and feel very ashmed that my brothers are involved in Vandals activities on wikipedia.

For this notice board fact can be seen by nacked eye on :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vkvora2001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jainjain

copy of this is pasted on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics

I signed as vkvora. vkvora2001 (talk) 18:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

To my knowledge vkvora2001 account is blocked on disciplinary grounds at Hindi Wikipedia. Hindi Wikipedia is independent community and Hindi wikipedia community and its moderators are free to take appropriate action against abusive behaviour. We pray user vkvora2001 improves soon, so community can think of lifting block.

Mahitgar (talk) 11:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

vkvora2001 का सच ढोल

हीन्दी वीकीपीडीया के उपरसे

http://hi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B7:Contributions&limit=500&target=124.124.36.4

अंग्रेजी वीकीपीडीया के उपरसे

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/124.124.36.4

उपरकी दो लीन्क देखें ।

आपका कर्तव्य होता है की राजीव मास ने रवी जैन नामका डमी खाता खोलकर वीकीपीडीया तथा व्हीकेव्होरा को कीतना नुकशान किया है इसका हीसाब करें ।

vkvora2001 (talk) 02:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Maps for regions of India

We have a couple of maps for regions in India, e.g. but several more are required. There are some problems with them:
1. Regions are not strictly defined like states, i.e. there are some districts on the border which are 'transition districts' to other regions. Therefore, maps like these are required: .
2. There should be local focus on the maps with district boundaries clear, rather than country-focus with no district boundaries visible.

3. The template

should be expanded for all of India, with each region at least having a map. Maquahuitl^talk! 08:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

For maps like Marwari map, you can use the base map Image:India map blank.svg. This map drills down to district level. It is with exact details you might really want to see. You can paint in colors the district you want to highlight for a particular region. I have made Image:India Vidarbha locator map.svg to highlight Vidarbha similarly. It may look a bit crude but serves the purpose. --gppande «talk» 12:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

SUL

Hi all, pl. see this page on SUL. Of late, I've been more off Wikipedia than on it; so, I do not know how the community reacts to SUL. I personally feel that SUL is indeed a good system in non-controversial cases where there is no conflict of 2 users having the same username on different Wikimedia projects. It establishes one's identity clearly and completely even for projects on which we may not have been working and thus the uniqueness of our usernames is protected. I also believe that it is important that people who have gone for SUL signal that their username is unique on all Wikimedia projects - I created {{User_unified_login}} to signal that. Pl. feel free to use it/ improve it or include it in various Indian language based Wikimedia projects. Thanks --Gurubrahma (talk) 14:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

It says -

The feature is only available to users who are administrators on at least one Wikimedia wiki
This feature is for admins only. How can general users like me use it? --gppande «talk» 15:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koli culture

Maybe you could help in this afd as I am not that familiar with your culture. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Copyright issue for Indian photo before 1884

Can someone please clarify this: if a photograph was taken in India before 1884, and the photograph was unpublished, what is the copyright status of it? Would it be in the public domain per Indian Copyright Law (which gives a 60 year copyright to "published" photos)?

This question arises because several Indian editors are questioning the Public domain status of the photo of Keshub Chunder Sen ... see the discussion in Talk:Brahmo Samaj, and also in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28policy%29&diff=201339054&oldid=201337478#International_USA.2FGBR.2FIN.2FBD_.22Copyright_of_image.22_question Village pump(policy). Their argument is that the photograph may have been taken in a studio, and the subject was given only a few copies, and that is not publication. And hence a photo at least 124 year old (don't know exact date, but subject died in 1884) may still be under copyright!!!

While the claim above is ridiculous, I'm not an expert in Indian copyright law, so can someone from WP:India please look into this and comment in either of the threads linked above? In particular, if 60 year or more old photos are not in PD in India as per {{PD-India}}, then we'd have to scrap many photos of Gandhiji and others which are under this claim. --Ragib (talk) 17:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

AFAIK, you don't need to worry about Indian copyright law in this instance, since as per US copyright law any "Unpublished anonymous and pseudonymous work" more than 120 years old (i.e., created before 1888) are public domain. See Copyright Term and the Public Domain in the United States. Abecedare (talk) 18:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Titles, styles and honrifics of Indian royalty and nobility

I'm not an expert according to the corect use of titles, styles and honorifics of Indian royalty and nobility, but my feeling says that in many Wikipedia pages about Indian royal and noble persons the Wikipedia:Naming conventions are not followed. Take for example Chithira Thirunal Balarama Varma, his name is more than two lines! Also I noticed the honorific prefix "His Highness" in the first line, which is against the conventions, and the honorific "Sir". He's however a king, so I would say that 'Sir' is then not used then. Demophon (talk) 15:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Edit war at SUCI article

Please give an input to ongoing conflict at Socialist Unity Centre of India, and related articles. --Soman (talk) 16:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Reference experts needed for ongoing (3 week) problem at Aratta

I have added the following reliable references to Talk:Aratta establishing conclusively that the POV does indeed, really, honest-to-god, actually exist and can be found in scholarly literature that the Sumerian Aratta may be connected with the Sanskrit Aratta. However, the same user has determined that this POV is inadmissible and cannot be seen on wikipedia because his POV is different; thus he has found what he considers fatal flaws with the arguments in each of these experts and apparently will not suffer any of this to be mentioned in the article Aratta at all, even though they are serious references from well known authors including D. D. Kosambi and Malati Shendge. Could someone please take a moment to click on each of the following pages and please verify that the scholarly discussion marked by the highlighted terms does constitute speculation that the two Arattas may be the same?? -- I feel this POV should not be excluded from the article on such facetious grounds as the say-so of one particular editor who seems to fancy himself the sole arbiter of such questions. Thanks, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 18:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

This represents only those sources I can find accessible through Google-books; there are a great many more scholarly references there that are not accessible except in "snippet view", so clicking the above research pages is only scratching the surface. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 12:18, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Update: This has now gone to medcab mediation at Talk:Aratta; "nationalism" has again come up from this one editor as the pretext to blacklist / suppress the Mesopotamian Aratta = Sanskrit Aratta hypothesis, now referenced to the above authors as well as Koenraad Elst, Michael Witzel, and many others... Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 22:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Second update: The matter of Aratta location hypotheses' section now seems to be nearing a compromise resolution, thanks to the tireless efforts of the medcab mediator! Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 15:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Plant identifications needed

A new user has uploaded a large number of unknown plant requests at v:Bloom Clock/Unknown Plants. The logs are from somewhere in India, and I'm afraid we don't have anyone around who knows the flora of that region. If anyone coud venture some guesses, please do! --SB_Johnny | ^talk 11:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

You are Wellcome to edit article on North India!

The article on North India needs immidiate attention from Indian wikipedians who belive in correct flow of true information to the public, the article has been written and edited with baised POV pushers. Kindly extend your help to improve the article and make it encylopedic with current facts and figures.--Himhifi 08:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I took a quick glance and there are several things that can be improved, but didn't spot any overwhelming and obvious bias. Can you be more specific about what major POV problems you see with the article ? Abecedare (talk) 08:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

According to me the article lacks 'content'... where's the scope of bias! BTW Himfifi in ur opinion is the bias for or against? KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 (talk) 11:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Seeing the edit history I feel there's currently an edit war going on between Himfifi, FundamentalTensor. Some experienced editors kindly try to solve the issue. KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 (talk) 11:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I doubt if that article can ever reach high standards, simply because the term itself is not unambiguously defined. Maquahuitl^talk! 15:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Sudhagad fort

Hi! I was wondering if I could ask for some help here. This article is currently at AfD and while there' no question it's currently poorly written, I was hoping someone more familiar with India and possibly the area could help clean up the article. An English google search is showing a lot of blogs, but not too much information about the fort. Thanks! TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 14:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

New template

Could people familiar with GOI licensing have a look and see if it accurately represents legal obligations? --Relata refero (disp.) 12:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

"'dead or missing": Is that a common enough occurance with Indian pols ? :) Abecedare (talk) 08:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Depends. Do the courts want to have a little chat with them? --Relata refero (disp.) 08:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Every MLA notable?

Is an MLA notable "per definition"? User:Soman states so here

(cur) (last) 18:08, 27 March 2008 Soman (Talk | contribs) (1,410 bytes) (The state of Orissa has a population greater than most European countries. A MLA is per definition notable) (undo)

Many thousands of MLAs happen during each five years. Are they ipso facto notable? Lujaven (talk) 18:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, per WP:BIO which includes all "politicians who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature." --Relata refero (disp.) 08:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Sigh. WP is misnamed. It should be Triviapedia. rudra (talk) 08:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, the notion that state-level politics in the second largest country in the world would be irrelevant for an encyclopedia is rather alien to me. Wikipedia is after all, not paper. --Soman (talk) 08:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

No Soman. Chandrashekhara Kurupu who served long in Kerala LA as a CPI[M] MLA is no body in Kerala's politics, except for the span. So are many hundreds of MLAs who serve some stint and be consigned to oblivion. RR, you are strong on policy. In this regard I would expect more from you than noncommittal reporting. Please tell us what do you think of that policy that Soman would fain have for Indian MLAs. Even in large volume of the history of an LA, most of them would not deserve more than a passing mention/nothing at all. [By the way, our commie brigade should be told that a valid edit from a banned user can't be reverted with stale and stupid stock summary.] Lujanen (talk) 16:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I think notability depends on a situation and context. If you think in the national context, why a MLA, even most of the state ministers would not be notable, but at a local level all MLAs are notable. They are representative of the people of a certain area. Sometimes other politicians could also be notable. In a state, most of the MLAs are back benchers and hence lack notability. If we can think of a census town with a population of around 5,000 as notable, why can't we think of an MLA with 100,000 voters behind him as notable? Regards - P.K.Niyogi (talk) 04:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Which is double the number of votes compared to many British MPs... --Soman (talk) 06:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:Copyvio article A.K. Ramanujan

This is to bring to the notice of all members that the article on A.K. Ramanujan, an eminent author, poet and critic is a copy violation of www.english.emory.edu/Bahri/Ramanujan.html. Kindly do the needful to prevent the article from being speedily deleted. Thanks. KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 (talk) 14:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed the copyvio content, which unfortunately reduced the article to a stub. Hope somebody takes the initiative to expand this important Indian literature article. Abecedare (talk) 01:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Feedback requested in an RfC on Kannada literature

The first inscription in the Kannada language of South India dates to 450 CE; the first extant literary work dates to 850 CE. The literary work, however, mentions previous works that have been lost. At issue is the question of when the literary tradition begins.

Feedback is requested at Request for comment: When does the literary tradition in a language begin? 06:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Kindly fix the Images for both pages of Instrument of Accession (Jammu and Kashmir)

Kindly download the images and properly cite and give fair use rationale. These images are important - of the two page document which shows the accession of the state of Jammu and kashmir to India by its former Maharajah Hari Singh.

Instrument of Accession (Jammu and Kashmir) to the Country / Dominion of India

There is an image for page 1 and then there is another for page 2 of the treaty/accession document, kindly give proper fair use rationale as people seem to be attacking this image and removing it from wikipedia.

Atulsnischal (talk) 08:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

List of basic India topics

A List of basic India topics has been created. Proofreaders and copy editors are needed to check this lists for completeness and to add missing links. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 12:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Religious violence in India

Please see talk page section [[3]] and add your comments. Desione (talk) 22:32, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Greater Nepal

Just wanted to bring everybody's attention to this article Greater Nepal ... which says ...that nationalists seek a Greater Nepal that extends into Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand and Sikkim in India? This also appeared in DYK section on Main page today - Tinucherian (talk) 04:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Dhyanalinga

An article I came across and tagged with your project. APK ^{yada yada} 12:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Need Hindi

Need Hindi spelling at Esraj. Badagnani (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Cuisine of Uttar Pradesh

Can someone tell me something about Cuisine of Uttar Pradesh? In the navigation box it is funnily even mentioned as 'Uttar Pradeshi'. Bhojpuri cuisine is already there. And Awadhi cuisine throws up a decent number of web results, but there is no page about Awadhi cuisine. My suggestion is to get this page deleted and a new one on Awadhi cuisine started. Maquahuitl^talk! 21:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

In fact, what is mentioned as Uttar Pradeshi cuisine, especially the thali, is by and large Awadhi cuisine only, except that the naan is a Mughal influence. My suggestion is that the Mughlai and Awadhi, plus the Bhojpuri, would sum up to Uttar Pradeshi by and large. An issue about Bhojpuri vs Bihari would also pop up, but I am less concerned about that. Maquahuitl^talk! 21:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I feel Awadhi cuisine is a part of Uttar Pradesh's cuisine. Hence a new section on Awadhi can be incorporated on the Uttar Pradesh cuisine. Ofcourse, Awadhi can have its own Main article. KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 (talk) 04:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course it is. Unfortunately in UP the cuisine is not monolithic(just like anything else). But then UP cuisine, Punjabi cuisine and so on form the 'North Indian cuisine'. But this 'North Indian cuisine' does not have a distinct identity. Likewise, UP cuisine does not have a distinct identity, while Awadhi cuisine has one(try doing a google search). Maquahuitl^talk! 12:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Kazi Nazrul Islam

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Gangtok in FAR

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British Raj

Fowler being Fowler is at it again in British Raj. Now he wants to remove the npov tag on the article without stating why the tag should be removed. I am going to be busy over the next one month or so, but I suggest somebody watch this npov tag as well. See discussion archives for information on why the npov tag was put in place the first time and why it needs to be kept. Thanks. Desione (talk) 06:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)