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01:11, 19 September 2024 review of submission by Paulina Holzier

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I am creating a Wikipedia article for an actor who created a weird rabbit hole/ARG about himself twenty years ago and it was declined. As a Hitman (fan of James Holzier) I am disappointed that the draft was declined but I hope I can get some good assistance from this! Paulina Holzier (talk) 01:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Here's assistance: please read WP:BLP, including the part on proper sourcing. Drmies (talk) 01:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okay I'll learn how to source right thank you Paulina Holzier (talk) 05:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Paulina Holzier, your claim of notability is that James Clayton Holzier (born August 11, 1981) is an American. Well, there are about 335,000,000 living Americans so by your logic, all of them should have a Wikipedia biography. What about the Americans who have died? What about all the Mexicans and Canadians? What about the Brazilians and the Argentinians? What about the Chinese and the Indians? What about the Egyptians and the Nigerians and the Kenyans? What about the British and the French and the Germans and the Italians and Spanish and the Russians and the . . . oh, I could go on and on. The notion that somebody is entitled to a Wikipedia article just because they are an American is just bizarre. Your draft portray this person as an exceedingly obscure failed actor. Why should a serious reference work contain an article about this person? Cullen328 (talk) 06:08, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        I reckon we're looking at a hoax, joke, or something else of similar nature. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Let's just say that if adding fake film credits to IMDb was a sign of notability, Wikipedia could have thousands of articles about people who had done that. Creating a hoax online can become a notable phenomenon, but only if it is something like Kaycee Nicole with a lot of secondary, reliable sources like major newspapers and peer reviewed academic journals. --bonadea contributions talk 07:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        It appears the author is a relative, possibly his sister. 331dot (talk) 07:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Claims not to be. Anyway, now blocked by Cullen328. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

04:57, 19 September 2024 review of submission by 2001:8003:981B:100:E8D3:8175:D0D6:1891

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Good afternoon, can you please help me to understand the reason why my draft has been rejected? I am new and I do not understand what I have done wrong. 2001:8003:981B:100:E8D3:8175:D0D6:1891 (talk) 04:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you WisteriaxLloyd? If so, please remember to log in whenever editing.
This draft was declined because the reviewer felt that the subject wasn't notable. The notability guideline for books is WP:NBOOK; please study that, and consider what evidence you can provide that this book meets the guideline. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for our help!
I still don't understand why my draft has been rejected. How can I prove the notability?
It is a translated page from the original Japanese wiki article regarding a Light novel title, it has decent popularity as it won the 1st place of the most important Light Novel Award in Japan last year. The English version of Comic has been licensed and Vol.1 has been published, Vol.2 will be out next Feb.
There is also Chinese wiki page of it even through there is no official Chinese translated work published yet.
If I add in the English Publisher information, will it help?
Sorry to be a pain!
Many thanks, WisteriaxLloyd (talk) 15:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@WisteriaxLloyd: this draft was only declined, not rejected. Rejection means the end of the road; decline means you're allowed to resubmit once you've addressed the decline reasons.
Whether an article on this subject has been accepted into the Japanese or Chinese Wikipedia is not relevant here, as each language version is a completely separate project with their own rules and requirements. For publication on the English-language Wikipedia, the draft needs to meet our notability standards.
As I already mentioned, the relevant notability guideline for books is found at WP:NBOOK, please familiarise yourself with that, and demonstrate with evidence that this book meets it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick reply! Much appreciated!
I will try working on the English Publisher details in this case as this is the only thing regarding notability.
Once that is done I will re-submit.
Cheers, WisteriaxLloyd (talk) 15:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

08:20, 19 September 2024 review of submission by 2401:F40:1401:2:88D4:CE1B:7BFC:3099

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Why was my recent article rejected, and how can I improve it for approval? 2401:F40:1401:2:88D4:CE1B:7BFC:3099 (talk) 08:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please log in when posting. Perhaps your draft is in your sandbox? It doesn't exist at Draft:Sarah Bundy. 331dot (talk) 08:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:05, 19 September 2024 review of submission by 39.60.214.241

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shooting totally complete. 39.60.214.241 (talk) 14:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It hasn't yet been released, though. WP:NFF states "films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines." 331dot (talk) 14:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15:10, 19 September 2024 review of submission by InnovArtist

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Hello,

I would like to know what is wrong with the sources of this article? I tried to mention only reliable websites or articles and catalogs. Can you help me? InnovArtist (talk) 15:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The bit that you are missing is that in order to contribute to establishing notability, sources must be independent. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15:18, 19 September 2024 review of submission by 2405:201:6807:C8B6:5975:DE49:8519:4C6F

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Please advice Places where I should add some cite or link reference or which areas I should remove as this is my first work here I don't want to get removed. 2405:201:6807:C8B6:5975:DE49:8519:4C6F (talk) 15:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This draft has been rejected due to failure to heed reviewers' critiques and will not be considered further. The reviewers keep pointing at WP:Articles for deletion/Neeru Yadav, which you seem to either be unaware of or have blithely ignored. Read that AfD debate thoroughly. If you can't or won't, then this is the end of the line for the draft. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, when you've been blocked, you're not allowed to edit from a different account or from an IP address. The block applies to you personally, not just to the blocked account. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15:37, 19 September 2024 review of submission by Writing is easy

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I need someone to help me rewrite a new page I submitted on "Bedroom Ventilation," where I explain how crucial it is for health. Writing is easy (talk) 15:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Writing is easy: Unless you have sources about bedroom ventilation that satisfy the incredibly strict standards of WP:MEDRS, the answer is no. Editors here generally do not co-write drafts anyway. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

18:05, 19 September 2024 review of submission by PorterCreator

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Hi! I received the message that "The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you." I used footnotes in this article so not sure why it was rejected. Perhaps it was that I was missing footnotes in a specific section? Any help would be appreciated! PorterCreator (talk) 18:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PorterCreator: You have unreferenced claims in the article, particularly around the founding and founders of Verified News Network. Any claim about a living person needs to get sourced or get out. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I did find some issues with the footnotes upon further checking and have updated them! PorterCreator (talk) 19:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

18:52, 19 September 2024 review of submission by SensFan8

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Hi, I'm really not sure why this submission does not qualify as a list or why it got declined, when it is basically identical in concept to many other accepted lists like it (Ex: List of Washington Capitals players, or List of Ottawa Senators players). In those pages, it has been years and the page is still manageable. I help manage them myself. If someone could please help me, or show how I can appeal this decision, I would really appreciate it. Thanks! SensFan8 (talk) 18:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could ask the reviewer to reconsider. Note that it's not usually a good idea to cite other articles as a reason for yours, as those too could be inappropriate, see other stuff exists. Each draft or article is judged on its own merits.
This submission process is (usually) voluntary; if you want to roll the dice that it would survive an Articles for Deletion discussion, you could move it into the encyclopedia yourself. 331dot (talk) 19:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response. Do you know how I could ask the reviewer to reconsider and how I would go about potentially moving it into the Encyclopedia myself? Thanks! SensFan8 (talk) 20:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SensFan8, you can ask the reviewer to reconsider by going to their talk page and starting a new section with your question. Or we can just ping @Timtrent in here. fwiw, I think he's correct to question the article, though I'd be tempted to let it through AfC and see what happens, myself. Fair warning that "what happens" might be "a deletion discussion". -- asilvering (talk) 04:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SensFan8 and Asilvering: I am unsure that I can do better than my rationale: "I am not persuaded that this qualifies under WP:NLIST. There are also only two years here so far. In a few years this will be unmanageable, and doubtless better handled by a category, and conceivably a navigation template for each year, with a link to the next and previous years"
I believe that this has a lower than 50% chance of surviving an immediate deletion process if moved to mainspace. However, that is only my opinion. I will not object if this is moved to mainspace. I am very likely to voice the same opinion at any deletion discussion, and may decide to open one.
I do not "threaten deletion" because these discussions involve the community, and community consensus is greater than the opinion of a single reviewer. Thus there is no threat. I am sure that if moved to mainspace and kept after consensus that Wikipedia will be improved. I am equally sure that if it is deleted after consensus, that Wikipedia will be improved.
I'm aware that this has not answered your question in any direct manner. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 08:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should note that, if moved to Mainsapce, WP:DRAFTIFY has a term which will disallow redraftification. "Another editor has asserted that the page belongs in mainspace, e.g. it has previously been moved there, or there is a clear statement to that effect in the edit history or on the talk page" (the assertion implied im this thread is sufficient for me to trigger that condition) 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 08:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

21:26, 19 September 2024 review of submission by 2001:56A:70F6:CF00:1B4:F95A:E7F:EB52

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I rewrote this wikipedia page to better reflect the standards of what is expected. Would someone be able to review the edits and let me know if there are any other changes i should make before resubmitting? 2001:56A:70F6:CF00:1B4:F95A:E7F:EB52 (talk) 21:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't do pre-reviews here. The established method for getting a review is to submit the draft for review. ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

21:49, 19 September 2024 review of submission by 103.178.94.2

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Hello,

I am seeking further review assistance for the draft titled Draft:Md Zillul Karim. Although I am not the main author, I am involved in the draft’s development and would like to ensure it meets Wikipedia’s standards.

The draft has been resubmitted recently, and I would appreciate any additional guidance on improving its chances of approval. Specifically, I am looking for advice on addressing feedback from reviewers and any additional suggestions for enhancing the article.

Thank you for your assistance. 103.178.94.2 (talk) 21:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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