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This is a page about a major party candidate for the United State Senate in Colorado who just won and election and received 319,315 votes. The candidate he beat Ron Hanks has a wikipedia page so I don't understand why Joe shouldn't have a page. You can google Joe O'Dea so many sources.
Artedm (talk) 03:12, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Artedm: candidates aren't inherently notable, and winning a primary means you're still only a candidate. If this person one day becomes elected to a state or national position, then they become notable per WP:NPOL; until such time they have to meet WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:12, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ron Hanks is also already a politician in the Colorado House, meeting the WP:NPOL guidelines. If O’Dea wins the final election, he will qualify (as long as all material is suitably referenced for biography articles). -2pou (talk) 14:05, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @DoubleGrazing @2pou- three 2022 united states senate candidates who have just won a primary all have wikipedia pages see Katie_Britt Joe_Pinion Jo_Rae_Perkins Artedm (talk) 14:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Artedm: that's as may be, but we abide by the guidelines, not precedent, in what comes to notability. If those candidates' articles don't meet the relevant notability criteria, they can be taken to AfD. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:49, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @DoubleGrazing nothing has changed with precedent since those other 4 pages were created Artedm (talk) 14:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- I meant what matters is the relevant current guidelines, not whether articles have been previously created which contravene those guidelines. Just because some have slipped through the net, doesn't mean it's now a free-for-all. See OTHERSTUFF. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @DoubleGrazing nothing has changed with precedent since those other 4 pages were created Artedm (talk) 14:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- a former colorado senate nominee also has a wikiepdia page Darryl Glenn. Remember this is a senator is a statewide position/ election. Artedm (talk) 14:49, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Artedm see other stuff exists. Theroadislong (talk) 14:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Theroadislong three 2022 united states senate candidates who have just won a primary all have wikipedia pages see Katie_Britt Joe_Pinion Jo_Rae_Perkins a former Colorado us senate nominee also has a wikipedia page Darryl Glenn. Remember senator is a statewide position/ election. You can have many candidates for school board, city council, mayor, state representative, state senator but only 100 united states senators. Artedm (talk) 15:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Artedm There are very rare occasions where a mere candidate might merit an article, such as Christine O'Donnell, but the overwhelming majority of candidates do not, certainly not for state office. I'm sure such articles exist, but that is not reason to allow yours, otherwise nothing could ever be removed from Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a voter guide and does not provide equal time and treatment to all candidates, it depends on the sources. 331dot (talk) 15:31, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you want to help out, please nominate articles about non notable people for deletion. 331dot (talk) 15:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @331dot not trying to be a voting guide. Amazed to see you say a person who wins a statewide election is not notable. As I have pointed out several in that same situation with pages. Artedm (talk) 01:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- He hasn't won a statewide election. He won his primary. Primary winners are by definition still candidates since that's what primaries are for- to select candidates. If he wins the general election, he will be notable. To merit an article before that point, he needs to be notable for something else. 331dot (talk) 08:20, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- The primary for United States senator is a statewide election which he won. What makes Katie_Britt Joe_Pinion Jo_Rae_Perkins Darryl Glenn more noteable? Artedm (talk) 01:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- He hasn't won a statewide election. He won his primary. Primary winners are by definition still candidates since that's what primaries are for- to select candidates. If he wins the general election, he will be notable. To merit an article before that point, he needs to be notable for something else. 331dot (talk) 08:20, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @331dot not trying to be a voting guide. Amazed to see you say a person who wins a statewide election is not notable. As I have pointed out several in that same situation with pages. Artedm (talk) 01:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Theroadislong three 2022 united states senate candidates who have just won a primary all have wikipedia pages see Katie_Britt Joe_Pinion Jo_Rae_Perkins a former Colorado us senate nominee also has a wikipedia page Darryl Glenn. Remember senator is a statewide position/ election. You can have many candidates for school board, city council, mayor, state representative, state senator but only 100 united states senators. Artedm (talk) 15:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Artedm see other stuff exists. Theroadislong (talk) 14:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Artedm: that's as may be, but we abide by the guidelines, not precedent, in what comes to notability. If those candidates' articles don't meet the relevant notability criteria, they can be taken to AfD. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:49, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @DoubleGrazing @2pou- three 2022 united states senate candidates who have just won a primary all have wikipedia pages see Katie_Britt Joe_Pinion Jo_Rae_Perkins Artedm (talk) 14:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ron Hanks is also already a politician in the Colorado House, meeting the WP:NPOL guidelines. If O’Dea wins the final election, he will qualify (as long as all material is suitably referenced for biography articles). -2pou (talk) 14:05, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
05:05:52, 1 July 2022 review of submission by FreddyWitDa$tacks
[edit]Hello, I tried to submit a draft for review and it failed due to lack of reference, I didn't have any reference because the draft I was writing was about a school and the school isn't popular enough to have reference. Please I need help what should I do FreddyWitDa$tacks (talk) 05:05, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @FreddyWitDa$tacks: even if schools were inherently notable (which they aren't), you would still need to cite reliable published sources to verify that this school actually exists, and that the information you state is correct. And in order to show that it is notable, you also need several of those sources to be secondary, and independent of the subject, such as newspapers, books or TV programmes. Without such sources, it isn't possible to publish an article on this school. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:18, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
11:24:15, 1 July 2022 review of submission by OMGSiddharth
[edit]- OMGSiddharth (talk · contribs)
OMGSiddharth (talk) 11:24, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @OMGSiddharth:
- a) Please ask an actual question, don't just post a blank section.
- b) As already pointed out yesterday, this draft has been rejected.
- -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @OMGSiddharth: What is your connexion to G. A. Gowtham? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Bluepencil13 (talk · contribs)
Hi, editors on the help desk! I need help.
I have been trying to submit an article about the News Literacy Project for close to two years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:News_Literacy_Project. I have adopted the guidance of the various reviewers who have made comments.
I don't know what else I can do and would appreciate specific information that I can incorporate to get this accepted. The misinformation/disinformation plague is one of the most serious issues of our time, and NLP is doing stellar work to combat it.
With thanks, bluepencil (Before I retired, I was an editor at a number of well-known news organizations, including the Los Angeles Times and Bloomberg. I am fully aware of the importance of neutrality and aim for that in my writing.) Bluepencil13 (talk) 20:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Bluepencil13 (talk) 20:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Bluepencil13: the aim is merely to describe the subject, not promote it. The initiative in question may be eminent and engaged in many worthwhile pursuits, but the article must not portray it in such terms. As just one example, in the 'NLP board' section (which, incidentally, is entirely unreferenced), directors are said to have "extensive backgrounds in journalism" etc. — there is no need for the "extensive", which is a PEACOCK word; just "backgrounds in journalism" will do. Try to imagine yourself as someone who is against the NLP, or perhaps is a competitor to them, and go through the draft taking out all the puffery and other content that they wouldn't like to see there. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:41, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Got it. Helpful. Thanks. (Re the board members: I initially created a footnote that went to the board list on NLP’s website, but another Wikipedia editor said such references should be deleted. How do you suggest I provide a reference?) Bluepencil13 (talk) 22:46, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Just resubmitted. Fingers crossed. I am trying! Bluepencil13 (talk) 23:49, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Got it. Helpful. Thanks. (Re the board members: I initially created a footnote that went to the board list on NLP’s website, but another Wikipedia editor said such references should be deleted. How do you suggest I provide a reference?) Bluepencil13 (talk) 22:46, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
22:15:17, 1 July 2022 review of submission by DualSkream
[edit]- DualSkream (talk · contribs)
I just clicked on the page and I saw this draft got declined. I didn't know about this before, but how could this draft get submitted? DualSkream (talk) 22:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- It can't be, rejected means resubmission is not possible. If you think that the reviewer erred, or you have new information they did not consider, please appeal to them directly first. 331dot (talk) 23:21, 1 July 2022 (UTC)