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Editing a page and adding a photo

Hello,

I volunteered to create the web page of Professor Peter Klinken, the Chief Scientist of Western Australia. I have learned over time how to use the Wikipedia tools however I have encountered a couple of issues. The first one was related to the photo of Prof Klinken. The first time I added a photo it was removed by one of the editors because of copyright issues. I recently received a new photo by a person who agreed for the photo to be used on Prof Klinken's page. She completed the permission email to upload on Wikipedia but we are both confused on who can upload the photo and where to upload the permission email. The second issue is with regard to adding an honorifi title, 'CitWA' or recipient of The Western Australian of the Year Award (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Australian_of_the_Year_Awards). I have added the title in the Editor but the change doesn't show on the updated page.

Many thanks in advance for your help, Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Osseiran (talk • contribs) 08:42, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Adam Osseiran. Just a couple of general comments, before answering your question.

1. Please don't post your personal contact info at the Teahouse. All Wikipedia editors are volunteers and for the sake of transparency all Wikipedia related matters (except personal matters) is generally best conducted on Wikipedia itself; in other words, it's unlikely that a Teahouse host will email you or snail mail you to discuss your question. Moreover, as explained in WP:BLPPRIVACY, Wikipedia pages are pretty much visible to anyone who wants to see them, so there's no guarantee that the information you posted will be taken and used in an inappropriate manner.
2. You can use your real name for your username if you want, and many editors do. Just be aware of the things discussed at WP:REALNAME. In some cases, you may be asked to verify your identity in order to make sure you are who you're claiming to be.
3. Subjects of Wikipedia articles are people or things deemed to be Wikipedia:Notable for an article to be written about them. In the case of academics, the relevant notability guidelines are WP:BIO and WP:PROF; so, you will need to establish that Klinken satisfies these notability guidelines for an article to be written about him. Wikipedia has millions of articles with more and more being added each and every day. At the same time, articles are constantly being deleted for one reason or another, but much of the time this is because the subject is not considered sufficiently Wikipedia notable to support an article.
4. When say you volunteered to create a web page for Klinken, there are two red flags raised at least in my opinion. The first one is that a Wikipedia article is not a webpage for the subject it is written about and neither Klinken as the subject nor you as the creator will have any final editorial control over the article content. A Wikipedia article can basically be edited by anyone anywhere in the world at anytime and their edits will not be automatically reverted or undone as long as they comply with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. When disagreements over article content arise, it's typically the version which best complies with these policies and guidelines as determined by consensus which is the one chosen, and not the version preferred by the subject or the article's creator. So, you might want to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing just for reference because it discusses some of downsides of a Wikipedia article. The next red flag is that you say that you're volunteering to write the article. As I posted above, all editors are volunteers, but your post makes it seem that you might have a conflict of interest when it comes to Klinken and anything written about him on Wikipedia. Wikipedia doesn't expressly prohibit conflict of interest editing, but it does highly discourage it. Please refer to Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide for more information on this.

Now regarding the photo you want to upload, as long as you are the copyright holder of the photo (the photographer who takes a photo is generally considered to own the copyright on it), then you can upload the file to Wikimedia Commons under a free license accepted by Commons. You can find out more about that in c:Commons:Licensing. If you are the copyright holder, then just upload the photo with the original EXIF data to aid in the verification of copyright ownership. If you're not the original copyright holder, then that person can upload the file to Commons instead. Please note that neither Commons nor Wikipedia will accept a "for Wikipedia use only" type of free license. The copyright holder has to basically agree to let anyone anywhere in the world download the file at any time and use for any purpose, including commercial use and derivative use. The copyright holder is not transferring their copyright to either Commons or Wikipedia, but is rather making a version of the photo available for others to freely use. Moreover, the free licenses accepted by Commons and Wikipedia are not revocable. As for a permission email, it's only real needed when the file has been previously published somewhere before being upload to Commons or Wikipedia under a license neither will except, or some of the other examples given in c:Commons:OTRS#Licensing images: when do I contact OTRS?. If a permissions email is necessary, follow the format given in WP:CONSENT and send it to Wikimedia OTRS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:54, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

COI Full disclosure

Hello, please could someone clarify when "full disclosure" should be given, or point me in the direction of the relevant information? I am not a paid editor. Thanks *ptrs4all* (talk) 08:52, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@*ptrs4all*: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you have made such declarations on your user page; that is usually sufficient, but it is also a good idea to mention it if you are requesting an edit to an article in the area of your COI. If you actually edit an article in the area of your COI(which you should avoid doing so directly if possible, but it could happen), it's also a good idea to mention it in the edit summary of your edit. 331dot (talk) 08:56, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

.@*331dot*: Thank you. I have put a 'requested edit' on the The Reluctant Tommy article and have contributed to the discussion on its talk page without giving 'full disclosure'. At what point might it be necessary? (I don't want to contravene any policies). *ptrs4all* (talk) 09:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I would do so with my initial contribution to a relevant talk page.(in the case you speak of, if you go back and do it now, that's fine too.) Users might see your user page, but it's a good idea to point your COI out immediately; the more open you are about it, the better your suggestions will be received. As WP:COI states, "Editors with a COI, including paid editors, are expected to disclose it whenever they seek to change an affected article's content." 331dot (talk) 09:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

*331dot* OK, so I should make a full disclosure (saying who I am & my connection with the article/edit) at the point where I made the original 'requested edit' on the article's TP? Sorry to appear dim . It's difficult to get one's head around all this as a newbie.*ptrs4all* (talk) 10:13, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

No problem, that's why this page is here, to ask questions. Yes, that is what you should do. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

*331dot* Many thanks for your help *ptrs4all* (talk) 15:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Is this a viable reason to register

I have coined a term that describes something that does not have a name, namely the bit between Christmas and New Year. I have been using it in the work place since 2014 and it is now being quoted back to me. I would like to register it as word. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minaxxi (talk • contribs) 15:23, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. Wikipedia is a tertiary source, which means we can only repeat things which have been published elsewhere in reliable sources. Your best bet if you want to introduce a neologism is Urban Dictionary. Incidentally, the period after Christmas Day already has a name. ‑ Iridescent 15:25, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Question about paraphrasing from copy-righted material

Hi everyone,

I recently received a warning about adding copyrighted to a Wiki article, and I wanted to double check here to make sure this time my paraphrasing/sourcing are correct:

In January 1983, then Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq Tariq Aziz and Massoud Rajavi signed a peace communique that co-outlined a peace plan "based on an agreement of mutual recognition of borders as defined by the 1975 Algiers Agreement." This peace initiative became the NCRI´s first dimplomatic act as a "true government in exile". During the meeting, Rajavi claimed that the Iranian leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, had been "the only person calling for the continuation of the [Iran-Iraq] war."

Thanks for the feedback :-) Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 09:14, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Hello, Stefka Bulgaria. Welcome to the Teahouse, and our apologies for the long wait you've had for an answer. (Some questions are harder to answer than others, and this is only a hasty reply, I'm afraid.) Whilst one of your references looks to be behind a paywall, I think your text sounds like a reasonable rewording of events. (Note the typo in dimplomatic!) We have a useful tool which helps users check for copyright violations in published articles, and here are the results for People's Mujahedin of Iran that you're referring to. The pink text shows words or phrases used in Wikipedia and in another online source. In this case the high likelihood of copyright infringement is probably because the article contains nearly 400 mini-quotations, which does seem extraordinary, though the majority look well cited. You might like to use this tool to test this and other articles for copyright issues. Check each pink entry for signs of words not being part of a name, organisation or a quotation. I think the other links and advice about paraphrasing and copyright left on your talkpage probably steer you better than I can right now. Goodnight, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:55, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Very helpful feedback! thank you! :-) Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 16:04, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Uploading photo

How can I upload my photo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mir Md Ibrahim (talk • contribs) 16:45, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Article Wizard

What is the purpose of the Article Wizard? I have a draft article currently awaiting a review. Why can't I just make that article? Is there a policy that all articles should be processed through the Article Wizard, or is it just a suggestion? Alternate Side Parking (talk) 18:26, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I reviewed it. It is in the pedia now. AfC is only required for non auto confirmed registered users and IP users. It's still a good idea for a newer user, but no, it isn't required. Thanks for a good submission, Alternate Side Parking! John from Idegon (talk) 18:33, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Past/present tense?

Hello again! I am currently stuck on how and when to use past or present tense in a sentence.
The sentence in question is here:

In 2003, as a part of a strategy change, Hachette decided to sell magazine companies, regional dailies, and printing companies. Many of the video game magazine-related companies, including Joystick, are sold to the English group Future Plc.

Should I be using "are sold" or "were sold"? This is one of the only sentences in present tense. Most of the other sentences before and after it are in past tense. I just want to know if this is correct or not.

If more context is needed, you can check here. Thank you. StaringAtTheStars (talk) 16:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

There must be a link somewhere... Ah yes: MOS:TENSE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:45, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Ah, it was hidden in MOS. Thank you! StaringAtTheStars (talk) 20:19, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia and blogs

Can i make a blog in wikipedia? And can people see the pages i made in my profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denkiden (talk • contribs) 21:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@Denkiden: No, you may not make a blog. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Please read WP:NOT. Any pages you create will be visable to everyone. RudolfRed (talk) 21:28, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@Denkiden: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is a project to write and maintain an encyclopedia, and is not a place to write a blog. All contributions here should be somehow related to building this project. There are numerous sites that do offer a place to write a blog, some of which you might find at this link, but this isn't one of them. Regarding your other question, your edit history and user page are both visible to everyone. Your user page should mostly contain content related to your Wikipedia use or editing, guidelines for user pages can be found at this link. If you have other questions, please ask. 331dot (talk) 21:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

reliable sources to ios app

hi, i am frustrated like every new user here who still getting Rejected page, this is my second attempt to create wiki page after +-four years, feelings are coming back... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mouse_for_Cats what kind of information you need to verify, i still getting same and similar reason for reject but it is not clear to me. which information and what is reliable source to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mobile_game_stubs. Most sources what i have seen in accepted ios games are mostly paid reviews. I assume you know that in today's world you can buy anything... from reviews to ratings and user feedbacks, so it is very unclear what 'reliable' really is, please specify in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseforcats (talk • contribs) 10:33, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@Mouseforcats: thanks for your question. Before getting to that topic, I can't help noticing that your username is the same as the game you are writing about ... do you have some connection with the game? If so, you have a Conflict of Interest and you are probably not the right person to write about that subject - if you do then you must follow the directions at WP:COI. As for reliable sources, you need to follow the links that were left by the various reviewers, most especially Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. If you cannot find in-depth coverage by independent, reliable sources that that is probably a sign that it is too soon to write about that game. If it becomes notable and attracts sufficient coverage then it will be a better time to write about it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:26, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

omg it is "10th" question here about username and draft name in past few hours instead of getting some information about reliable sense of meaning the word reliable, yes i made the game, i created account and i created draft. so i am pretty sure that i can do anything what i want to do with my app name.

how reliable is reviewer what writing reviews for money????? what kind of world you want ?? all fake just because of marketing? i have success app even without nonsense fb, tw,in,xy,xzy.... without fake reviews, without fake ratings and so now you pushing me to do it like others. no way !

so if i will pay for review like today practice is and you forcing me to do that, who will decide if review is reliable or not, based on what???

and yes much ios games what i can find on wiky has just paid reviews for marketing purposes, it is not reliable source to me. reliable sources are maybe only reviews at official appstore pages. hawg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseforcats (talk • contribs) 17:24, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

to COI it has no sense, every app what is listed is listed by creators or publishers or marketing team, they just dont say who they are. so there is no point in name... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseforcats (talk • contribs) 17:33, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

and to " If you cannot find in-depth coverage by independent, reliable sources that that is probably a sign that it is too soon to write about that game. " no it is not too soon, my players are unable to write reviews, have you ever seen cat writing review?? but would be good to have wiki pages. as google prefer games with wiki !!! so thats how we are 'forced' to have wiki page... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseforcats (talk • contribs) 17:37, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

You have just helped define "Screed." And, it appears, have withdrawn the submission of your draft. David notMD (talk) 22:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

How to Avoid Being Abused on Wikipedia?

James Arboghast told me to fuck off Unpleased by my edit Mr. James crudely noted his reason for reverting. He included a personal slur against me; misspelling and incivility. He said, "because it makes no sense to you Kmccook indicartes your lack of perceptiveness and intelligence. Kindly cease vandalising this thing and fuck off." I found this action very unhelpful. Kmccook (talk) 03:23, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Kmccook and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like you made a good faith edit (see diff) with an explanatory edit summary to History of Western typography. You then received a peremptory revert and abusive edit summary in return (diff). You rightly left a note (diff) on their userpage. The user in question has edited since, but has not responded to you yet, so I will add a caution notice, as I don't think this is acceptable behaviour. Continually abusive editors do end up being warned and eventually blocked at WP:ANI if their behaviour doesn't change.

BTW: Please note that you are required to set your own signature so that it includes a hyperlink to your own page. Thislink is not working, and I suspect you've set this incorrectly at Special:Preferences. In the appearance tab there, please uncheck the tick box labelled "Treat the above as wiki markup" That should do it. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:44, 19 October 2018 (UTC)  

O, thank you for the advice. I changed the special preference. I appreciate your clarifying that abuse is not acceptable. I am surprised that a generally civil platform gets a few people so outraged at the collective editing process. BTW I did not change his revert, it was just style. His response was so draconian I felt the need to ask for input. This kind of a post is discouraging and I am glad it is not deemed normal.Kmccook (talk) 22:13, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

How do i help out the project

any ideas what i can do — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dumyes (talk • contribs) 20:13, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dumyes. Welcome to the Teahouse. Here are a few ideas to get you started:

• Add a few lines on your userpage about yourself and your interests. You've absolutely no obligation to say anything about your gender, age or where you live, but never reveal any personal details there that you might later regret releasing.
• Having told us of your main interests, go and browse through some topics relating to those interests. You might spot spelling errors, gaps where you can add a reference to support some statement or other, or perhaps just a better way of wording things. (But please avoid adding factual statements that you believe to be true without supporting them with a citation - those types of edits are liable to be swiftly reverted).
• Spend some time learning how we roll here. So try out The Wikipedia Adventure where you can collect 15 badges on your userpage as you learn about aspects of editing and creating pages.
• If you really want idea of things to do, we have around 5 million articles that could do with a bit of tender, loving care. But where to start? I'm going to give you just two links to some pages you might find stimulating for ideas. These are a) Wikipedia:Things to do and b) Wikipedia:Task Center.
• I'd advise against rushing in immediately to create a new page on some favourite subject. Making a new article from is genuinely the hardest thing to do here, and we lose so many new editors who get demoralised when they encounter the various requirements of 'notability' and 'verifiability' and other fancy words like that which form the backbone of all content here.
• If you are itching to create a new article, do please read this first: Wikipedia:Your first article. You can take your time to draft up an article and then when you're ready you can submit it for review. Often, first attemopts get turned down, but you'll receive useful pointers as to what's wrong with it and how you should fix it

I'm pinging (i.e. alerting) another user (Denkiden) who I think is at almost the same stage as you and who might find my reply of interest, too. Please let me know if this is helpful, or if you'd like any more specific help. I can promise you that, should the Wikipedia bug bite you, you'll never be stuck for ideas of things to do. All the best for your own personal Wikipedia journey. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:51, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Untitled 2

How to published my Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nisha Nasir (talk • contribs) 17:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Nisha Nasir welcome to the Teahouse. What is it that you actually want to publish, please? Promoting ourselves on our userpages is not permitted, and that's the the only thing I can see that you've tried to publish so far. You are permitted to recreate that page, but only if it's to say a few words about yourself that are relevant to any interest you might have in contributing to the work of editing. See Wikipedia:How to use your user space if you want to learn more.

But, if you want to write about a new topic that you believe ought to go into this great encyclopaedia, may I suggest you read a very helpful guide page called Wikipedia:Your first article? This will explain the best way to create a draft article, have it reviewed, and to receive feedback if anything is wrong with it. I hope this answers your question. Please remember to sign the end of your posts with four keyboard tilde characters (like this: ~~~~). Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Questionable item on talk page

Talk:Haila Stoddard#Jack Kirkland produced so many ugly children seems in bad taste and contributes nothing to discussion of the article. Should it be removed? Eddie Blick (talk) 01:04, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Can we generalize that question? Vandalism to articles elicits responses. What is the practice for vandalism in the Talk section of articles? In the article proper, Stoddard and Kirkland had two children, but there is no mention of the children being ugly. David notMD (talk) 01:20, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

There was no question there, there was no suggestion for an edit, only a comment that defamed women in general. I removed it and gave the IP an only warning for defamation. Can't really cite a policy for my removal, except maybe you shouldn't ought to say things like that. John from Idegon (talk) 01:34, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, John from Idegon.Eddie Blick (talk) 00:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Anyone Help

can someone help add info to the Kavik river camp article. Northatlantic320 (talk) 21:04, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@Northatlantic320: I see you've just been blocked indefinitely for being sock puppet. But Kavik was created before that block, and as a place it has potential (per WP:NPLACE). I'll see what I can do. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:02, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

oops, too late. It was just deleted. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Further update: Kavik River page now created. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:11, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Untitled 1

Hello

Shia karadsheh page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Karadsheh

was deleted because of my writing , i guess i made it in a advertising way, would you help me how to make it more as info, should i just put the links or add the facts of appearances? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melissaarab (talk • contribs) 17:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Melissaarab, welcome to the Teahouse. I do appreciate how frustrating it must be to have any page deleted. Only administrators can see deleted content (and I'm not one), so it's hard to know what you wrote about. Searching on that name, I can find nothing on Google to assist me, so I don't even know if its a 'thing' or a person. (I did find this], though, so I'm guessing they're a dancer? The basic criteria for accepting an article here can be found by following these two links: Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (people). I'm afraid the lack of anything online does suggest this person (if that's what this was about) is highly unlikely to meet these criteria, so you probably won't be able to create the article again until such time as they receive attention in reliable sources such as the mainstream media. I know this must be frustrating, but I fear there's little more that can be done. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:23, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Legitimacy of article

I would like to contribute a short article on ZzTeX, which is a TeX macro package (like LaTeX, AMSTeX, etc.) I am the developer of ZzTeX and it is used by my company to produce technical books for various publishers. It has been in use for about 28 years. It is also used by authors in preparing future editions of their books. It is not a commercial product; I give it to anyone who asks for it.

I would like a short article because people often try to find information about it and end up contacting me. It seems like an article would help those looking for information.

Is this a legitimate Wikipedia article?

~~ Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos (talk • contribs) 17:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Paul C. Anagnostopoulos. Thank you for admitting who you are and what you hope to accomplish. I have no opinion about whether or not Wikipedia should have an article about your software. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (software) to learn more about that issue. The one thing that is clear to me is that you have a conflict of interest and must comply with the mandatory Paid editing disclosure. Please read those links very carefully and conduct yourself accordingly. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

vispute college new panvel

Shri.D.D Vispute college of science,commerce and management was established in the year 2010 by shree Rishikesh Shikshan prasarak mandal , navimumbai. The college — Preceding unsigned comment added by FYCS35 (talk • contribs) 06:02, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello FYCS35 and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is a place for asking questions about Wikipedia. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 07:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Pragyesh Singh

Dear All Respected members in the community, Can anyone please help me to remove unreliable sources from Draft:Pragyesh Singh as i am not very familiar with Wikipedia to understand reliable and unreliable resources. RonsI (talk) 07:04, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, RonsI and welcome to the Teahouse. It's unusual for questioners to have to wait 24 hours for a reply, so our apologies. Unfortunately your question relates to references that aren't in English, so I suspect that was the cause of the delay. It can be difficult sometimes to distinguish between the quality of sources. Basically, any source that is closely related to the subject, or which can be edited by anyone (like this encyclopaedia!) should be regarded as unreliable. Interviews with the subject, personal websites or content based on press releases are also not seen as reliable, as they are likely to be biased towards promoting the subject. Even some news media are regarded as unreliable when it comes to major topics, including the Uk's national newspaper Daily Mail which is known to fabricate all sorts of stories to suit its readership and to sell its product. Sites like IMdB can be edited by anybody, so can't be relied upon as there's no editorial oversight. Might I invite you to read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. If in doubt about reliability, my advice would be to remove any content in your draft that is based upon it, leaving only the really good and independent sources in. Other sources worth removing are those which just make the briefest of mentions of a subject - these aren't in enough depth, and merely serve to pad out the reference list. Sometimes less is more. I'm sorry I can't give more detailed advice here. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:20, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Dear Nick Moyes, Thank you for your reply. I also deleted the unreliable resources and content which is in question by other editors. RonsI (talk) 09:28, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Editing user pages

Can I edit someone else's user page? - Vincentthecow (talk) 06:51, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Vincentthecow and welcome to the Teahouse.

Editing another user's user page is generally not allowed, but there are circumstances when it is: if the user gives permission, if you're correcting or deleting something based on an established policy. For instance, some users ask for help fixing formatting problems with userboxes on their user page. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:10, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Your filter log. Seems you want to blank User:331dot's user talk page and modify his user page :) Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 07:50, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

And also User:Northamerica1000. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 07:51, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

And now indefinitely blocked for being a new user attempting to blank editors' User pages and Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 09:56, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

This user was likely User:Vincent9000. 331dot (talk) 10:26, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Oof. My bad for not spotting that out. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 11:43, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hidden dissuasion

Me Too movement page's source code begins:

The Me Too movement (or #MeToo movement), with many local and international alternatives, is a movement against<!--For the sake of professionalism and complying with Wikipedia guidelines, please refrain from using the word "rape" in this article when this political movement is strictly about workplace sexual harassment in a non-legal context with propagandist aims. ~ Roman J. Lane, Esquire-->

So, what is your question? Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 11:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

How to edit suitable wikipedia article for politician

I have a lot news coverage I just wanted to publish it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipolitician (talk • contribs) 07:43, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Wikipolitician: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may click in the "edit" button and start your edits just like how you posted this message. Good luck. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 11:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

profiles

Can i have ideas on how to make a page on denkiden(me). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denkiden (talk • contribs) 21:45, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Are you so famous that other people have published articles about you? If not, not. David notMD (talk) 22:10, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey, Denkiden, I'm not sure if you were actually asking about userpages (which you might have been calling a 'profile'). Of course, as answered by David notMD and also in the question from you above, unless you have had a number of major newspapers, books or media outlets writing about you in great detail, you stand no chance of having a proper page (i.e. article) about you on Wikipedia. Every person with an article about them is judged against a thing we call our 'Notability' criteria. (If you wish, you can learn more about that at this link: WP:Notability). But if by 'profile' you do mean ideas to put in your own Userpage, then, yes, for sure you may write a little bit about yourself there (avoiding making it promotional, or giving out personal information you'll later regret releasing). You can use it to explain what your interests are and how they relate to your hopes or aspirations for editing this encyclopaedia. Because that's what we're all about here, not making pages about ourselves. (See this link for information on userpages). If you visit this link: Wikipedia:How to use your user space you'll find a simple explanation of how they're used. Once you start editing and decide you like helping out, you might later on want to 'prettify' your userspace. Many editors put things called 'userboxes' on the own pages which announces a little bit about themselves in a graphical way. You can get more ideas at our User Page Design Centre. But remember that we expect editors to be editing and working on the encyclopaedia, not messing around creating fancy userpages all the time. These sorts of things ought really to come later, once you decide to stay and help out.

Why not click on a few of the hyperlinked signatures at the ends of every message here at the Teahouse? That'll take you to the userpages of many different editors, and you can see what they have written in theirs. But for anything else you want to do to write about yourself, you'd have to go somewhere else for that - like Facebook or Wordpress, or pay for your own domain name and build a website. Does that make sense? To take an interactive tour and to learn how Wikipedia works, try The Wikipedia Adventure. There are 15 badges to be gained along the way as you learn how to contribute to building this encyclopaedia. Oh, and if you do post here again, can I ask you to remember to sign your name at the end of every message, please? To do that we have an automated process. It might sound weird, but simply type four keyboard 'tilde' characters (like this: ~~~~) right at the end, and your username and a timestamp will be automatically inserted. Magic stuff. That way we know who said what, and when. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:30, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Also see WP:AUTO Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 11:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

If an article is notable enough or not?

Hello Everyone, First of all I would like to introduce myself, My name is Sakhir Ali and I am fairly new at the wikipedia community and so I have some queries I need your help with.

Is a Model United Nations Conference notable enough to write an article about? If so, what references can I use to support the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sakhir.ali (talk • contribs) 13:37, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Sahkir.ali: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Did you use the username User:Global Youth MUN? If so, you need to return to that username and request to be unblocked per the instructions there. That said, any subject will merit a Wikipedia article if it has significant coverage in independent reliable sources that show how it is notable. In the case of an event, the notability guidelines would be those for events listed at this link. However, if you are associated with the event, you would have a conflict of interest and should not write about it yourself. 331dot (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Creation of new Wikipage for a person with the same name as another person in Wikipedia?

Hi,

I am looking to create a page for the lead singer of a band, however there is already a Wikipage with the same name, different person, same name. How can I create a page for the lead singer with the same name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TammySheridan (talk • contribs) 13:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@TammySheridan: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can do that by adding what is called a disambiguation to the name of the article you want to create. I don't know what the name of the person you want to write about is, but as an example, if there is an article called "John Public" and you want to write about someone else named John Public, you would start an article called "John Public (musician)". If the two people with the same name are both musicians, then you would use something else like their birth year("John Public (born 1980)").

You will want to read the notability guidelines for musicians(click that link) to ensure that the person you want to write about meets at least one of the criteria to merit an article. If you have any other questions, please ask. 331dot (talk) 13:54, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

You may also find Your First Article helpful. 331dot (talk) 13:55, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@TammySheridan: Sorry; I would further add that the lead singer of a band would not necessarily merit a standalone article unless they have a notable solo career separate from their association with the band. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 3) You may see WP:NCDAB and Wikipedia:Article_titles#Precision_and_disambiguation for relevant disambiguation guidelines. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 13:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Article Notability

I Have created so many articles but some of my articles are removed for notability issue. I have created two popular person article but both are deleted. where i can check notability of deleted articles. if a person is more on news and media. is he or she not notable. it's is possible to stable my articles. 182.253.162.204 (talk) 04:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey anon. The short and sweet of Wikipedia's policy on notability is that a subject needs to have received sustained in-depth coverage in published reliable sources, usually things like books, magazines, and newspapers. There is no definite number of sources that are required, but generally, what is needed is enough to write an encyclopedia article with, without include any information that can't be referenced in this way. If you are unsure about the notability of a subject, you can start a draft using the Article Wizard, and submit it to our Articles for Creation Project, where it can be reviewed by an experienced volunteer, who can offer feedback prior to publishing. GMG^talk 15:03, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Clarification on Wikipedia's policy on quotations

I'm an economics professor, and I asked my third year students to edit Wikipedia as a class assignment.

Here's my question/problem. Several of the students have simply cut-and-pasted information from other sources. They've given references, but not paraphrased or used quotation marks. Here's a particularly egregious example [[1]]. What's Wikipedia's policy on content like this - should I just remove it? I've read the contribution guidelines etc, and it's not clear to me whether or not quotation marks *must always* be used in cases like this, or if they're simply desirable/encouraged.Fwoolley (talk) 14:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Fwoolley: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have reverted the edits you mentioned. Direct copy and paste from sources is not allowed. See Wikipedia:Copyrights. Trust me, Wikipedia is very sensitive about copyright issues. Please tell your students to refrain from doing so. Here is the copyright report before I reverted the edits. Best regards, ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 14:51, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Esculentus: Thanks so much! This is what we profs call a "teachable moment". I can talk until I'm blue in the face about the importance of using your own words, and not cut-and-pasting, but to have someone else take the information down brings the point home in a way that the student will remember! Technically speaking, I think government of Canada publications are in the public domain, so I don't think there's a copyright issue with reposting the information - but I 100% agree with you that this isn't in the spirit of Wikipedia.Fwoolley (talk) 15:07, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Fwoolley: You're welcome. Even if it's not copyrighted, we generally don't recommend editors to directly copy & paste a large paragraph to the article. Quotes from people are exempted from copyright restrictions (e.g. Battle of Waterloo - copyright report). If you have any problems, you may raise it in here or on my talk page. My username is "Abelmoschus Esculentus", so your ping didn't work :) ―Abelmoschus Esculentus 15:17, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey Fwoolley. Just to clarify, works of the US government are usually public domain, but works of the Canadian government usually only fall into public domain 50 years after publication or 75 years after creation (whichever comes first), unless for some reason they have been especially donated under a free license by the organization that has created it. (Although feel free to contact your government representative and encourage them to change that :P) GMG^talk 15:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Trying again User:Abelmoschus Esculentus - I absolutely agree about not cut-and-pasting.

Thanks User:GreenMeansGo for that info. Fwoolley (talk) 16:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Page blanking

If I try to blank someone’s talk page, will it trigger the edit filter? 114.124.178.148 (talk) 02:22, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello 114.x and welcome to the Teahouse. There is an edit filter which prevents new and unregistered users blanking others' user page or user talk page, but it is private. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me • my contributions) 07:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

It appears you asked a similar question about this as IP 114.124.140.93 at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Page blankingWikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_847#Page_blanking. As explained there, you really shouldn't be blanking another editor's user talk page without a very good reason for doing so. Basically, what that means is that if you asked 100 administrators whether the page should be blanked, then almost all of them would say "yes" and agree with your assessment; otherwise, blanking the page is likely going to be seen as disruptive and vandalism. I'm not sure what your interest is in blanking pages or edit filters. IP 114.124.140.93 has already been blocked once for disruptive editing; so, if you're the same person using just using a new IP, then you need to understand that it's the person, not the account, which gets blocked. Switching to a new IP to repeat the same mistakes will only lead to the new IP being blocked as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2018 (UTC) Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:45, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Looking for musical instrument

Is there anybody out there who knows where I might find one of the largest Toyo zamponas, or bamboo about 6 feet long and up to 2 1/2 inches in diameter? So we could make our own pan flute. We have looked just about everywhere, but can not seem to find what we are looking for. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.54.57.94 (talk) 23:25, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions about Wikipedia. We can't help with your search for bamboo or any other purchase. RudolfRed (talk) 23:37, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Editing the Amref Health Africa page

Hallo, i work in the communications department at Amref Health Africa and been trying to edit the page and it keeps showing the old information. A lot has changed within the organisation and we recently launched our new strategy and thus would like to update this information on our page, thanks.

Caroline Khamala — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caroline Khamala (talk • contribs) 17:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey Caroline Khamala. Your changes were reverted because 1) they were overtly promotional in tone, and Wikipedia is not a means of promotion, and 2) because they appear to be copied and pasted from elsewhere online, constitutes a copyright violation.

Please review our guidance on managing conflicts of interest, and if changes need to be made to the article, you may suggest them on the article's talk page. If you include {{request edit}} along with your request, it will be added to a queue of requests to be answered by volunteers. GMG^talk 20:23, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Caroline, Please also see WP:PAID and make the appropriate declarations on your user page. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

How to create sidebar-looking things?

Hello experienced Teahouse editors, I am creating a new article for a requested article for the popular pie 'Turtle pie' that uses usually pecans, chocolate and caramel or Demet chocolate turtles

And on many articles on see sort of 'charts' on the top right of a page with information stacked neatly, a bolded title, and usually a picture. Because I am pretty new to Wikipedia, I am quite confused on how to make these. May I please have a little help?

Thanks in advance, --Wyatt850 (talk) 00:19, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Wyatt850. They are called infoboxes. Help:Infobox has general help. There are many infobox templates for different types of articles. An article about a type of pie should use Template:Infobox food. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:40, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the help! --Wyatt850 (talk) 00:44, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Can I add a photograph to my article?

Can I add a photo to my User Profile? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob Leon Katz (talk • contribs) 00:42, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Sure, @Jacob Leon Katz: pictures are one of my specialties. It's explained in Wikipedia:Images which is complex, but it's a two part operation. First, send it to Wikimedia Commons, and second insert it on a page. Each is somewhat complex. Copyright can be very complex but if you're the photographer and it's not a picture of someone elses work of art, you just have to check the box that gives up your rights as the "author" of the photo. Most of the rights, that is. Incidentally, it seems you were working at the cutting edge of radar when I was struggling unsuccessfully with the rudiments of FORTRAN. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:54, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jacob Leon Katz. Just to add to what Jim.henderson posted above, you cannot add any non-free content to your user page as explained in Wikipedia:User pages#Non-free files. So, unless your are the copyright holder of the photo you want to upload and it's not a derivative work, then you should be able to upload it and add it to your userpage; otherwise, you most likely will not be able to do so. Also. Wikipedia:User pages and Wikipedia:Articles are two completely different things and are therefore subject to different policies and guidelines. While you're allowed to add some personal information to your user page, it's not really intended to be used as a personal website or social media online profile page. Please take a look at Wikipedia:User pages#What may I not have in my user pages? to make sure you comply with relevant guidelines because user pages which aren't in compliance can be blanked or even deleted by another editor.

One last thing, although Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia are sister projects operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, each has its own policies and guidelines specific to its needs. So, before uploading anything to Commons, you should take a look at c:Commons:Licensing to make sure whatever photo you want to upload complies with Commons' policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:12, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Policy on deleting controversial wording that leads to edit war.

If there are certain words that are controversial in an article, even relatively minor, e.g. X is a large..., No, X is a small..., that provokes an edit war, what's the best way to handle it? ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 01:58, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Дрейгорич and welcome to the Teahouse.

Any dispute, large or small, about the content of an article, should – after the first revert – result in a discussion on the talk page of the article to try to find a resolution to the disagreement. There are further steps in dispute resolution that can be brought to bear if the initial discussion ends with an impasse. An edit war can only occur if both sides ignore these procedures. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Дрейгорич. Edit warring is never acceptable. Do not edit war. The first step is to discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Warn other editors against edit warring and report them to the Administrators' noticeboard/Edit Warring if they persist. Pursue the various forms of dispute resolution. But never edit war yourself. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:51, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 02:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Thoughts on article?

Hello experienced teahouse editors, I am relatively new to Wikipedia, and I just now created an article for the popular pie 'Turtle Pie'. If any editors have some thoughts, comments, or constructive criticism it would be much appreciated.

Turtle pie

Thanks in advance, --Wyatt850 (talk) 01:50, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Wyatt850 and welcome to the Teahouse.

I took a look at your Turtle Pie article and found that it lacked the sort of references needed to establish notability. The sources seem to be a blog and some sales sites for the product. I expect that it might be possible to show that turtle pie is a notable dessert, but we would want to see more authoritative sources regarding its origins and history. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree with the templates that jmcgnh added to the article, and would expect it to be swiftly nominated for deletion if better references cannot be found. What is needed is articles about the origin of Turtle pie, not recipes! See Pumpkin pie, Pecan pie, Key lime pie and others for examples. David notMD (talk) 11:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles

On average how long do articles take to be reviewed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alonzo956 (talk • contribs) 11:42, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if there is hard and fast data out there, but if you are simply going through the New Pages process, the current backlog (with a few exceptions), goes back to the end of August. If you are going through the articles for creation process, the wait is slightly longer, as the oldest (with a few exceptions), date from mid-July. That being said, sometimes articles can be reviewed quite quickly, especially if there are no issues with them. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:54, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Editing Problem/Dispute

Hello,

I am new to editing on Wikipedia, please keep in mind that as an novice contributor I am not familiar with all rules an terms on the Wiki. I recently edited a Wikipedia Stub article. In the article that I contributed to I may have initially included some POV terms although it was still factual and necessary information. A user undid all of what I wrote even the the pure cited information totally returning the article to the condition that it was previously, he also removed a copyrighted photo. I understood my mistakes so I re-wrote what I had previously written, I ensured that every sentence of factual information was properly cited, I included only necessary information and facts, I divided the page neatly into subdivisions, I ensured there was no copyright material, and finally I updated the article. The user then proceeded to undo EVERYTHING that I had written multiple times without providing me any legitimate reason. I kept undoing what he kept destroying that I had written and I also provided him with a level 2 warning for removal of content without adequate explanation. The user persisted to undo what I had written and warned me with a ban, at this point I had honestly lost hope and was shocked. I am reaching out for help as I have no clue what to do in this situation and I encourage you to read the final version of the article that I had updated which he undid, it really was properly cited, unbiased, and well written and MOST importantly it grew on an article which was a stub as I provided lots of history and updated information. Please direct me and advise me in this situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiMinuteman (talk • contribs) 17:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

You added content. Another editor disagreed with your addition and removed it. Your next step would be to discuss your proposed additions on the article's talk page. The other editor asked you to do so and provided a link to the relevant information, which is here. Since it seems like you read the edit summary where the other editor informed you that edit warring (what you refer to as "I kept undoing") will lead to a block, you will also have seen that link already - take a moment to follow it and read the information there, and use the article's talk page, here to discuss your proposed additions. The other editor has helped you out by already starting a discussion there, explaining why your edits were inappropriate. Where did you warn the other editor, btw? There is no such edit in your history. --bonadea contributions talk 17:34, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Five of your proposed references are to the Sine Kerr campaign website. Six are to her Arizona State Legislature Senate Member Profile, which is very likely information she provided. What a person or a person's organization says about themselves are not valid citation sources. David notMD (talk) 18:35, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

This editor was new, and didn't understand that I had left a message on the talk page. They are now engaging in a discussion there. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:58, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

DAB denied

Hello, I created a new page called Prevale (DJ) and wanted to create a DAB page, since there’s a city in Slovenia that appears as the result for the search Prevale. My request was denied, since a DAB page requires at least 3 items.Since he’s a pretty famous Italian dance DJ, people might search for just Prevale, without adding (DJ) and find the Slovenian city.It means bad user experience or disappointment. Why is it 3 items minimum? Or why isn’t the city appearing with the “ Litija“ in the suggestion dropdown, but just as Prevale? Can I do something about it? Thanks in advance. Kodymix (talk) 16:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey Kodymix. There is a three article minimum because if there are only two articles, you instead link them together by using Template:About at the top of each article. GMG^talk 16:22, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I see! Thank you so, so, so much! Now I know how to do it! Kodymix (talk) 14:33, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Small qualification here. There isn't really a three-article minimum for dab pages. When there are two topics, we do the {{About}} thing if one of the articles is considered the "primary topic" and the other is considered secondary, but if there are two topics that are considered roughly equal in priority, then we make a dab page with two topics. Further explanation can be found at WP:TWODABS. —BarrelProof (talk) 13:23, 21 October 2018 (UTC)