Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 647

This is an archive of past discussions about Wikipedia:Teahouse. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current main page.

Archive 640

←

Archive 645

ISSUES WITH INFOBOX BASKETBALL BIOGRAPHY TEMPLATE

Dear all,

can somebody help me out with the issue / Infobox basketball biography template. I can't figure out how to put correct format for "Teams and Years".

Thanks in advance,

Alex AlexBossP305 (talk) 12:28, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi AlexBossP305. Have you read the documentation for {{Infobox basketball biography}}, and looked at the formatting instructions for dates in the parameters section? Much more important than any formatting issue like that is adding citations to reliable sources, and removing every single external link in the draft's body and/or converting them into citations. I have done one for you, as an example.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:06, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Review waiting of Sandbox

Hey guys!

I just submitted my sandbox for review because I think it is ready to be published but it says "Warning: This page should probably be moved to the Draft namespace." So I am not sure if I should move it to the Draft namespace, just wait until somebody takes a look at it or do something else. Any advice will be appreciated. Thank you so much.

Saravazq (talk) 22:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Saravazq. I have moved it to Draft:Ken Light. As in an initial review, please remove all external links from the body of the draft (e.g., the two external links in the lead section: one for "Mother Jones International Fund for Documentary Photography" and the other for "Reva and David Logan Gallery"). If they are functioning as references, you can convert them to citations, which you are already using. There should be none at all in the text, only in the external links section. The external links that are in the external links section should be converted from raw URLs, e.g., replace "http://www.kenlight.com" with [http://www.kenlight.com Ken Light's official website] and so forth. As to the citations, I have not looked in depth at whether they provide substantive coverage of him in reliable, secondary, independent sources (i.e., what is needed to demonstrate notability), but you could work on providing fuller attribution details. I have converted one existing citation, the one for the New Yorker article, as an example of what I mean, adding the author's first and last name and the date of the article. I suggest getting rid of the Artistic Influences and Techniques section, as unencyclopedic detail. Section titles take sentences case: == ~~Awards and Grants~~ == == Awards and grants ==. The draft is a bit heavy on lists, in comparison to the prose, and especially when that is of awards and the like, it gives a bit of a promotional tinge. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:47, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help. That sounds good, I'll work on all that.

Best,

Saravazq (talk) 23:54, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

replace old page with "wrong" name with new one

Hello Teahouse Members, thank you for the invite, I really appreciate it! Here to my story. I wrote an article (Muntean/Rosenblum), which is about an artist duo, it is still tagged as draft, but I guess that will change after a while after someone checked it. Anyway. So now there is already an old article about Muntean/Rosenblum, but for one is not as extended and updated as the new one, and second, and that's why I started a new one it is called "Muntean and Rosenblum". I know that's maybe a little thing but it is just not quite correct. So my question now is how can I replace the old one with the new one (maybe after it is not longer tagged as draft )? Just #REDIRECT it? Can I just do this? MieNie (talk) 10:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello MieNie, welcome to Teahouse! If Muntean/Rosenblum is the common name, you can redirect Muntean and Rosenblum to Muntean/Rosenblum, if it's an uncontroversial move. However! It appears that you have incorporated some texts from the original article, in this case a simple redirect wouldn't be appropriate due to copyrights. To make sure revision history from both pages appear together, place {{Histmerge}} on top of the new page so that an administrator can combine the page history for two pages together. Alex Shih ^Talk 11:15, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

The article Muntean/Rosenblum doesn't exist; there is a draft at Draft:Muntean/Rosenblum. In such a situation the correct action is to make (or propose) edits to the existing article at Muntean and Rosenblum. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:34, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Alex for your good advice! I think I will make a Histmerge with an reason for the administrator.

Hello David, I will also thank you for your advice. But as I explained earlier the title Muntean and Rosenblum isn't quite correct. That's why I stared a new article in the first place.MieNie (talk) 09:32, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Akshay Kumar

Hi, Can edited akshay kumar indian-born Canadian actor.... He is not Canadian... So please its a humble request... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:B28D:6530:72FB:7B71:6BC8:9F67 (talk)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please do not post the same request on multiple forums. You already added your question at Talk:Akshay Kumar, where an editor will respond (these questions are usually backlogged, give it some time). However, without an independent reliable source to verify your suggested change, it is likely to get rejected again. All content and suggestions should be based on independent reliable sources. The article talkpage's archive contains several previous discussions, if you want to read more about this disputed question. GermanJoe (talk) 09:53, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Stub templates

Can anyone tell me where the code for stub templates are ?Is there any way to automate the process of adding these template like we add maintenance tags to an articleRADICAL SODA^(FORCE) 09:32, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Forceradical, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can find all the stub templates here: Category:Stub message templates. You can semi-automatically add them to articles by using this script. See Wikipedia:User scripts for information about how to use scripts. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 10:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

@FinnusertopThanks for your prompt answer .Another question I have is What is defaultsort?RADICAL SODA^(FORCE) 10:10, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

@Forceradical: In categories, articles are sorted alphabetically by title. {{DEFAULTSORT}} is used when you want to override this. The most common case is articles on people. We want them to be sorted by surname, not given name. So, {{DEFAULTSORT:Smith, John}} makes John Smith appear in S instead of J in Category:People and all other categories.

Because on Wikipedia, articles and article talk pages are separate, you need to do this on the article talk page as well. On talk pages, this is done by adding a "list as" (e.g. |listas=Smith, John) parameter to a WikiProject template, such as {{WikiProject Biography}}. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 10:19, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Is working with wikipedia considered as working age population if a particular user's age is even less than 15 years?

This is the doubt that I ask regarding Economics point of view.I know Volunteers work for wikipedia without expecting anything.If this question that I asked is completely wrong,I apologise for it.Abishe (talk) 10:34, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Abishe, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Wikipedia welcomes all editors, whatever their age, if they understand what we are trying to achieve here, and follow the policies. I advise you to read the essay guidance for younger editors.

When you talk about Economics, do you mean that you want to contribute to that article, or are you asking about the possibility of getting paid for editing? If the latter, then as you say, Wikipedia editors are not paid, but contribute because they want to help create this great project.

The other thing that occurs to me is to wonder if it might be more valuable for you to contribute in another language. Do you know that there are Wkipedias in 288 different languages? Perhaps there is one that you can write more clearly in than English? --ColinFine (talk) 11:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I know that wikipedians are volunteers that they won't work for money but to do great projects without hesitating and I will contribute to wikipedia as a volunteer only rather than expecting anything.Abishe (talk) 11:54, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, Abishe, what you are asking is whether Wikipedia editors under the age of 15 are considered part of the working-age population by economists. I presume the answer is no, as they are neither working for money nor old enough to meet the definition. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:39, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Cordless Larry, What is this working-age population in wikipedia? Sinner (talk) 06:30, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

It's not a Wikipedia thing, Nazim Hussain Pak, but a concept in economics and demography. See here. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:56, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

why my article has been deleted ?

My article has been requested to delete. Please let me know the solution how can I keep my article on wikipedia. Hemani360bm (talk) 06:26, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

See User talk:Hemani360bm and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ravi Tripathi. Maproom (talk) 07:10, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Hemani360bm. There is not solution at this time. You cannot because the subject is not yet sufficiently notable and does not warrant an encyclopedia article, as is true of the vast majority of people.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:30, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Copyvio query

While copy editing, I came across the article Bijaya Jena. Large parts of the article (dating from its creation in 2006) use exactly the same text as http://www.encorefilms.net/2_profile.html. The website doesn't seem to have any dates (or copy right messages either), so I cant check which came first..what should an editor do under those circumstances? Curdle (talk) 14:33, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Curdle:, and welcome to the Teahouse. Briefly checking the source and the article's history it's indeed difficult to tell which came first (the initial article dates from 2006 and may even have been a COI creation from someone connected to the actress). For the handling of copyvios (both obvious copyvios and suspected unclear cases) see WP:Copyright violations. In this specific unclear case, I have simply removed and rephrased some of the problematic content (non-encyclopedic PR fluff, personal thoughts, and tangential information). If you have time, you should rephrase remaining problematic sentences in a more neutral encyclopedic tone in your own words and trim non-encyclopedic unsourced details - that should also reduce eventual remaining similarities with the Encorefilms bio. Hope that helps. GermanJoe (talk) 15:20, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

@Curdle and GermanJoe: My guess is that the Wikipedia article came first and the website ripped us off. The earliest archived version of the website is from 2012 (although this does not mean it wasn't there before). To me the text also strikes as written in the idiomatic Wikipedia lingo: "X Y (born nnnn) is ... ", complete with all the awkward history writing formulae ("In 1992 Bijaya" ... "In 1997, she scripted"). If you look at the history of that article, the initial 2006 edits were made by the first major contributor as a series of gradual additions across several hours. That's not how you copy paste content from elsewhere; it's how you organically write it (on the other hand, those might have been COI edits given the username: Robbiejena). On top of those telltale signs, you are missing the smoking gun: a specific publication that precedes this one with the same content. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

ohh article creator was probably connected to the subject,if not the subject herself- edit summary on the pic says "taken by my brother in law" and the only edits that account made were to this article and articles based on films by the subject. I assumed the same person was responsible for both texts, just not sure which came first. Thank you both for the help and suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curdle (talk • contribs) 16:35, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Colorful signature

Reading links to Wikipedia:Signatures, WP:SIGAPP and WP:CUSTOMSIG, I want to know where to put text suggested in these pages. The text is not working for me at box above Treat the above as markup in my preferences. Sinner (talk) 11:59, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Please read the Signature tutorial, Nazim Hussain Pak. You can find complete instructions there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:55, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

How to report offensive moderator/editor

I tried to correct a few errors on a page, which misspelt my name as an author, quoted the wrong page numbers of my book and, worst of all, incorrectly attributed an opinion to me which I in fact believe the very opposite of. The moderator/editor removed the edits immediately (within seconds), making it clear that he had not read the nature of the edits. I didn't understand what had happened at first so tried to undo his edits but he did it again within seconds. I tried to go to the talk page to clarify the issue, but he simply quoted the conflict of interest page at me and has subsequently ignored me.

It is clear that, because he has not read my edits, he believes that I was writing the entire erroneous sentence and claiming this theory as mine, when I was in fact trying to make it clear that I believe the very opposite of what had been written by someone else in the article and attributed to me in error: he incorrectly accused me of "publicising a self-published theory" when I in fact agree with the widely held view on the matter that has been the case for many years. Furthermore he wrote even more insulting and slanderous things about me, saying: "It appears that an author has put forth a theory and that theory had made its way into this article. We don't publish WP:OR or poorly documented theories and WP:COI certainly applies. I believe including this theory requires exceptional third-party sources and that should not be editing Wikipedia articles where she has a WP:COI. This is not the place to promote your own theories." This is an entirely incorrect and slanderous comment in the public domain, which is potentially damaging to my professional reputation, when all I was trying to do was maintain the integrity of both Wikipedia and my reputation. Instead the very opposite has happened and I don't know how I can have this person reported for their offensive behaviour. I have also seen that he is rude and inappropriate to others (using offensive language), so he clearly needs removing from Wikipedia altogether, so can anyone please help me find the correct channels for reporting him and having him removed from his role on Wikipedia? Many thanks.khc 21:28, 29 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khc79 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, but unreferenced material can be removed by anyone, and this is what the editor correctly did. I appreciate that you were correcting an error, but in the absence of a reliable source for the original claim, it would not be appropriate to restore the theory and your counter to it. Wikipedia discourages edits by those with a WP:Conflict of interest, but if you wish to discuss restoring the claim and can cite an independent source, then please continue to discuss this on the talk page of the article. I haven't investigated your claim of rudeness elsewhere, but Wikipedia has a principle of assuming good faith, and this should apply on both sides. Dbfirs 21:52, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Khc79 -- I have observed behavior that is not so much collegial, but very strict and sometime combative. I went back to the Five Pillars and concluded that what started as suggestions have hardened, for some, into bats wielded by zealous editors. A startup that gets $40 million in financing, that's notable in my personal view. A startup that gets international coverage in the first couple of months, that's special too. When someone pops up and says "A7 speedy delete on that one, you failed to explain why the company is notable," well, that's just frustrating. You, as the subject are supposed to post your proposed changes on the talk page and let someone else do it. Sometimes, it gets stupid. Philip Roth, the author, wasn't allowed to correct something about himself. "No published references", was the verdict. He was unqualified to speak about himself. So he had to go to the New Yorker to get them to print something so he could get his WP page fixed. In case you are interested [1] and [2]. I wish you the best. If you want to commiserate, you know where to find me. Rhadow (talk) 22:06, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion of the content is now open at Talk:Et tu, Brute?#Kirsty Corrigan's theory, which is the proper venue. As for the behavioral aspects, it seems to me that Toddst1 misunderstood the intent of an edit which was, honestly, not as clear as it might have been. I don't see any intent to insult not any significant incivility. The comment was on the work, not the person, which is proper. Further discussion should be on the article talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:16, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Article proposed for deletion

Hallo

My article has been proposed for deletion. I have references for my article. How can I put references in to the artickle?

Thanks Stefan Stelea17 (talk) 23:42, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Stelea17, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am afraid i can't tell what article you refer to. Was it Matić Ivan? You blanked that page (removed all content from it) which is usually taken as a request to delete the page. Was it some other page?

When you post at the Teahouse or the help desk (or an another user's talk page) please provide a link to the article you are discussing, to make things easier for others to reply.

Oh and by the way, please don't say "my articles". No one on Wikipedia owns any article -- anyone may edit any article constructively, with intent to improve it. Do say "the article I created" or "the article i have contributed to many times". DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:56, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Page reviewed?

Recently I got a notification saying my page has been reviewed? Has it been modified in any way? Thanks in advance, User:CoolSkittle

Hello, CoolSkittle, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am afraid I can't determine from your contribution history what page you re referring to. When you post at the Teahouse or the help desk (or an another user's talk page) please provide a link to the article you are discussing, to make things easier for others to reply. If you can't manage a link, at least give the name of the page. Wikipedia has over 5 million articles, and many pages that are not articles. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:00, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

User:DESiegel I was talking about my user page at User:CoolSkittle. —Preceding undated comment added 00:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

As you can see here, CoolSkittle, there has only been one edit to that page, by you. You can go to any page and chose "View page history" and see a complete list of what changes have been made to the page, when, and by which user. If the message actually said that the page had been "patrolled" that was by me. That is an indication that an experienced editor has looked at the page, and either found no problems or dealt with any that were found. It helps the New Page Patrol (or NPP) know that they need not waste time looking at it again. It is an unfortunate term, perhaps, but for now it is the term that we use. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Oh ok. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoolSkittle (talk • contribs) 01:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

citation doesn't appear

this citation won't show up can someone explain to me why?

Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:41, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Okay--I went and checked and I guess the problem is because the author's last name is Van Drunen so it says there are too many names--how do I fix that?

Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:44, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Jenhawk777 and welcome to the Teahouse.

Yes, you were close to the solution. Inside the citation template, there is no problem with an author name that contains spaces. But in the <ref name=Van Drunen> tag, you have to put quotes around ref names that contain spaces, like <ref name="Van Drunen">. I've already done this at User:Jenhawk777/sandbox, since I needed to check that there weren't any other problems associated with this citation. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:10, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Also, just before the Van Drunen cite, you have one where you want the ref name to be "John Barton". There may be others, I don't have an easy way to find them, so you'll need to look over your references carefully. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:17, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! I solved it --I thought--by putting the "Van" in the first name category--"Peter Van"-- is that acceptable or do I need to go back and change it using the quotes? And can you explain why John Barton's reference name needs to be his whole name instead of just his last name? Is there something particular I should know about that name or do I need to change all of them? Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:30, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Jenhawk777. The ref name has nothing to do with the content of the citation, it is merely a string used to identify the reference for re-use. It is good practice to have it be the author's name, or the name of the publication, possibly combined with the year or date, just to make it clearer for the editor, but the reader never sees it. You can use quotes like this <ref name="Jones"> or omit them, like this <ref name=Smith>. But if the name contains any spaces, you must use the quotes, like this: <ref name="Van Doren 1986">. Inside the cite, where you are using |first= and |last= Van, de, ten, Von, and similar prefixes are usually considered part of the surname, and should be part of the text after last=, although this varied by the source language. There is no need for quotes in that location. If you do use quotes in the ref name= construct, they must be straight quotes, not curled or slanted quotes. Otherwise the cite will not be displayed properly. Take a look at these edits, please. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:00, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Personally I prefer to always use the quotes in the ref name construct, as then I don;'t have to remember if they are needed in a particular case or not. It is also cleaner HTML, but no one who is not a coder will care about that. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:04, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Okay--sigh--and thank you--sigh--lots of rework ahead--sigh... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

suggestions on how to improve talk/user page

thanks for inviting me! I was wondering if anyone could give me suggestions to improve my user and talk page! Thanks for being here to help!!!FIGHTER KD 23:03, 29 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FIGHTER KD (talk • contribs)

Hello, FIGHTER KD, welcome to the Teahouse and welcome back to Wikipedia.

First of all, if you want to use (rather than mention) {{adoptme}}, you need to take it out of the <nowiki>...</nowiki> tags. Those prevent it from being treated as markup, instead it is just displayed. However, if you are interested in adoption, i am a rather experienced editor, and would be willing to try to help you on a regular basis.

As for the rest of your user page, it depends on what you want. A simple basic user page is not a bad thing. Mine has more stuff on it than yours does, but rather less than some people's does. See User:DESiegel. One thing you might mention is areas that you are interested in, or have knowledge of and would be willing to help out in. Mention of any languages that you know could also be helpful.

I choose to include an intro section at the top of my talk page where I explain how to communicate with me most easily. Many users have some version of such a think on their user talk pages.

But honestly, your user and user talk pages should be the least important thing about your presence here. The most important thing is the edits you make. I hope this is helpful, FIGHTER KD DES ^(talk)

_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:26, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

!Thank you it did help as for some reason my userpage was put on patrolled. I would like to find some articles that would be good ones to pratice on. any ideas is great FIGHTER KD 23:50, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

You could look at Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit, after reading Wikipedia:Basic copyediting, FIGHTER KD, or at the Community portal, which has links to several kinds of helpful tasks and instructions abotu helping with each. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

You might also want to look at Help:Getting started FIGHTER KD. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:51, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Does anyone have any thoughts on if it's worth the time to help people with new ways for cyberstalking and harassment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbl FIGHTER KD 02:43, 30 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FIGHTER KD (talk • contribs)

CHANGE; Cores

Hey! Could we not change the names of the cores in Lommel from the current names to the Dutch names, cause Lommel Workshops sounds weird, cause its Lommel Werkplaatsen. If a tourist comes to Lommel and says: "Where is Lommel Workshops?", then they don't know what they mean. Bobbyjohn10 (talk) 19:34, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Bobbyjohn10 and welcome back to the Teahouse.

The first and best place to request a change in an article's content is on the talk page of the article. Or, you could probably make the change yourself.

But I simply removed that whole section of the article. It seemed mis-named and none of the items it pointed to had articles, so it was just a sea of red links. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:02, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Article proposed for deletion

Hello again. I would like to create artickle of football player named Sredojević Stefan, and Wikipedia, somehow, won't let my to create it. This is a real football player, and this is the best source that I can find:

http://www.ffsrb.rs/sr/klub/2016-2017_4/prvi-tim_4/druga-liga-(kragujevac)_8/zastava_38/

Stelea17 (talk) 00:18, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Stelea17, and welcome back. You have created Средојевић Стефан and it has not been nominated or proposed for deletion in any way. It has been tagged as needing additional source references, and as possibly not being about a Notabale person. See our guideline about the notability of athletes, for the criteria. Neither of those indicates any impending deletion. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Should this not be moved to the English spelling on the English Wikipedia? Dbfirs 07:01, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the title must be transliterated, see WP:TRANSLITERATE. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:07, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

copyright permission

I want to quote some material from books that are still copyrighted. Is it possible to get permission to do this? And how? Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:23, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jenhawk777. You can use relatively short quotation of non-free copyrighted material under fair use, so long as you clearly indicate you are quoting by use of quote marks (or more rarely, set off, such as in a blockquotes) and you cite the source of the quote immediately following it using an inline citation. Permission is irrelevant; having it would not help. Unlike other sites, where a one-time license like that allows use of copyrighted material just there, while the non-free copyright is retained, outside of quotations, text content here must be released to the world irrevocably, into the public domain or under certain suitably free copyright licenses. If you provide the particulars we may be able to provide more tailored advice. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:49, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for responding so quickly. I am so grateful you guys are here to help. I have no large quotes and have attempted to paraphrase everything as much as possible, but there are a couple of phrases that nothing but the original wording will do. I am attempting a total rewrite of the article on the Bible and violence--which should be renamed and how do I suggest that? In my rewrite, for example, I quoted Evan Fales a well known philosopher from one of his essays in a book--both of which I fully reference with page numbers--saying the crucifixion is "psychologically pernicious" and "morally indefensible"--there just isn't a way to sufficiently paraphrase that and get the full impact of it. There are a couple more direct quotes of the same type--nothing that's even a full sentence long--but I want to be sure everything is properly credited and accurate and proper. Under the sociology section I quote Nurs Masalha calling the Old Testament "racist, xenophobic and militaristic" -- their choices of words are so pointed I want to include them just as they are. Even with the small quotes, I am careful I am conveying what the authors actually meant and not taking anything out of context. Will this be alright? Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:38, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi again Jenhawk777. Yes, so long as you follow what I wrote above. Say you're quoting Shakespeare, and his writing was still in copyright: 1) place the quotation in quotes; 2) transparently cite the source of the copying; 3) using an inline citation:

"Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; no more; and by a sleep to say we end the heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to, ‘tis a consummation devoutly to be wish’d."^[1]

References

^ Shakespeare, William (1604). The tragedy of Hamlet, prince of Denmark: Act III, Scene I. Stratford-upon-Avon: Second Quarto Publishing. OCLC 252806.

See also WP:INTEXT. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:34, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you again!Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Rapture being the first and last flight

Inappropriate content

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

There is this information on "RAPTURE" (the sudden uptake of people of God on a specified date from the earth)...well the rapture is the Christian belief of hoping or getting ready of 'The Second Coming of Christ', I would to ask if you have given your life to Christ and would like to listen to your response cause there's more?Iodeaux (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

@Iodeaux: Hello, this forum is to ask about using Wikipedia, and not religious beliefs, which is a personal matter. 331dot (talk) 19:39, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Iodeaux, this page is for answering questions about how to edit Wikipedia, not for polling people about their religious views. In fact, No page on Wikipedia should be used for that purpose. That might be appropriate for a general forum on religious beliefs. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

could someone help write an article on my short film production house?

i badly need someone to help me write an article on my short film production house. i tried creating one myself but wiki discarded saying that it did not meet their standards.? (Akhilr944 (talk) 09:53, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

@Akhilr944: Hello and welcome. The page you created hasn't been deleted yet, but likely will be because it does not indicate with independent reliable sources how your company is notable; that is, why it merits inclusion in this encyclopedia. The sources you include seem to be from Facebook which isn't usually considered a reliable source. Reliable sources are things like news stories, independent reviews, or anything not written by someone associated with your company. Not every company merits a page here.

As you state that it is your company, you should review the conflict of interest and paid editing policies before you edit further. If you have independent reliable sources, you can visit Articles for Creation to draft an article and submit it for review before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia. This will get you get feedback on it to improve it. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Akhilr944. Further on to the above, the correct way to write an article is to gather together first the types of sources that demonstrate notability—that is

i) published;

ii) reliable

iii) secondary sources, that are

iv) entirely independent of the topic (written by unrelated people who have no stake in it at all); and that

v) Cover the subject in substantive detail (not just mere mentions of it)—

and then only write if those sources exist. If they don't, no article is possible. If they do, write the article by digesting those sources, and then writing only what they verify, citing them transparently as you go as verifying the information you are writing, without copying their words. You may judiciously supplement with facts that are verified through non-independent sources, including primary sources, though these do nothing to demonstrate notability, and such sources can only be used for straightforward statements of fact (they cannot be used for evaluative content, analysis, synthesis, or self-serving matters).

If you want to ask someone else to write the article, the only way that has any chance of success I know of is to gather those sources, if they exist, and then ask, presenting them as the basis.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:54, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Akhilr944. I don't wish to be unkind; but Wikipedia does not care at all, not even a little bit, whether you "badly need" an article. Wikipedia may not be used for promotion of any kind, not even getting your name out in the world. If we have an article on your company, it will not be your article, you will have no control over its contents, and if it happens that there are indepedent sources that say unwelcome things about your company, they should be featured just as much as sources welcome to you. --ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

What's the name of the film production house? Plus I thought Wikipedia editors like you and I could edit any article created by anyone as well as others edit ours, but that doesn't mean you can't still create it, Right?Iodeaux (talk) 20:22, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Iodeaux the article First born films was created by Akhilr944. It was speedy deleted for WP:CSD#A7 (No assertion of significance) and more importantly for WP:CSD#G11 (Blatant promotion). It was sourced largely to the facebook page of its founder, who seems to be Akhilr944, and to the facebook pages of a few of the performers it has featured. Oh, and also to the founder's twitter feed. It is possible that the firm is actually notable, although i tend to doubt it, but any valid article would have to toss everything but the name, and start from independent reliable sources. So there would be no point in restoring the deleted text, even as a draft. Creating this without proper sources will just mean it will be deleted again, and perhaps "salted", that is protected so it could not be created in the future. Sources are the key here, as ColinFine says just above. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:24, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I know that ce = copyedit and rv/rvt = revert, but what does hms mean?

I'm already aware that HMS stands for His/Her Majesty's Ship. In this case, it's the "Hms" that I see on some of the edit summaries over at the revision history log for H. M. Jyothi. I've been wondering what HMS stands for but I couldn't find any clues, so I decided to ask here instead. -- MrHumanPersonGuy (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, MrHumanPersonGuy. In eight years of editing, I do not recall seeing that abbreviation in an edit summary. You can find all the common abbreviations at Wikipedia:Edit summary legend. I suggest that you ask the editor who used that abbreviation. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:38, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, MrHumanPersonGuy. What was the context? Here's my guess: hours minutes seconds. The more common abbreviation is hhmmss or hh:mm:ss Rhadow (talk) 22:08, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Rhadow See the edit history of H. M. Jyothi, a series of edits on 28 July all have the same edit summary "Hms". No "hours:minutes:seconds" involved. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Well it is an article about a rumnner, so it could possibly refer to hours, minutes, seconds, but not obviously. I have asked Sritata what it means on his or her user talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:37, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

How to create an Archive index?

To begin with, I've already looked at the helpful guide, but I have a question. If you go to my talk page, you can see at the top of the code that I've attempted to create the index. The monthly pages have already been created with success, but I'm having difficulties with establishing the index. Could someone help me out? Thanks. JocularJellyfish ^Talk _Contribs 22:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

It seems to be working properly, JocularJellyfish. What is the problem that you see? You may need to refresh the page or purge the cache. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:48, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't see anything in the index. Am I not understanding its function properly? JocularJellyfish ^Talk _Contribs 22:49, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

JocularJellyfish, Notice that "Apr" "May" and "Jun" are links. The link to the archive pages for those months. What did you expect? Personally i prefer an older-style, manual, index, as you will see on my talk page, but that is a matter of style. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:55, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

If you mean the link to the currently empty User talk:JocularJellyfish/Archive index then see User:HBC Archive Indexerbot/OptIn#Schedule. Come back if it's still empty after a couple of days. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

That is exactly what I meant. Thank you! JocularJellyfish ^Talk _Contribs 22:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

It appears none of the user talk indexes have been updated since 20 June 2017. Legobot is still doing other work but this task seems broken or inactive at the moment. Your |mask=/Archives/<year>/<month> for unnumbered archives may also be unsupported even if the task starts again. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Threatening email recieved from a writer

I recieved a very threatening email from someone named Zach from "wikipediawriters.com", saying that if I don't pay them money they will attack me via writing false articles about me etc... how can I protect myself from such people. Please advise. It's regarding a newly writen article: D-Erania Dstampley (talk) 02:16, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Dstampley. I am sorry that you have been contacted by some vile con artists. Please report this immediately to WP:ANI where someone experienced with this type of scam will assist you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:08, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Deletions are re-added

Hello, my username was meant to be Tell The Truth, but fast fat fingers didn't correct it in time. Sorry for that typo. Lawyers for a character that a filmmaker chose to dramatically change and center a movie around to increase sales threatened stall of premieres of this movie if the actual name was used. 1) Is still living, 2) Did not give permission to be used in said movie, 3) Was acquitted of charges. A user put his name in and it was subsequently removed. However, the user was asked to remove his edit and has not done so. Also, the movie is not based on a true story as the poster in Wikipedia states. The poster is not found anywhere else on the internet except for Wikipedia. The poster was removed but then reinserted by another user who felt it was important. Again, violation of the book and also principal character. I read that if harm comes to a person written in Wikipedia, well, Wikipedia could find themselves in serious trouble if I'm not mistaken. I respect users viewpoints and there have been some eager users writing away inserting every possible link; however, I wish to caution that they will be held liable per Wikipedia's privacy policy if harm comes to the living person and his family especially since Wikipedia is being directly quoted on Facebook in an effort to stir retribution. Thank you, look forward to neutral polite assistance with this. Telltheteuth (talk) 00:46, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Telltheteuth. I am assuming that this is concerning Detroit (film), a dramatized film about the killings at the Algiers Motel during the 1967 Detroit riots 50 years ago. I was born in Detroit and was 15 years old at that time and remember those terrible days well. A Wikipedia article should summarize what reliable sources say about the topic. Any concerns that you have about the accuracy of the article should be expressed at Talk: Detroit (film). I need to caution you that making any sort of legal threat is contrary to policy and incompatible with editing Wikipedia. You have the right to take legal action, but you will not be allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is pending. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:31, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

rejection of the page created

Shivtarkas93 (talk) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jakes_Bejoy#Discography

This particular page has been rejected. Initially citations were missing. I had added them and now they say present it in form of footnotes. I am yet to understand what needs to be done.Kindly help me out so that page could get published Shivtarkas93 (talk) 03:05, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Shivtarkas93. You have a list of references at the end of your article, but they should be placed within the body of the article, immediately after the content they support. Also, most of your references are bare URLs and instead they should be formatted to present bibiolgraphic information such as title, author, publication, date, page number, ISBN number for books, and so on. Please read Referencing for beginners and Your first article. You will have a much better understanding of what is needed to write an acceptable article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:16, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Shivtarkas93 (talk) 03:28, 31 July 2017 (UTC)Can you please send me appropriate way of doing things. Well I have links for references.. And the 'references for beginners' looks so complex and uneasy. Can you just send me steps please ? Shivtarkas93 (talk) 03:28, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

You are correct that it is complex to write an acceptable encyclopedia article, Shivtarkas93. Complex but not impossible. Focus on studying Help:Referencing for beginners#Manual referencing and reformat the bare URLs. Include bibliographic information as described above. If you have a specific question about the process, feel free to ask it here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:18, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

rewrite of existing article

Posted at the top of the article I was going to edit is "This article may need a total rewrite." I decided I agreed. I felt it wasn't just the absence of proper citations, but the organization itself that needed reworking. The information was good, so I subsumed the entire article within the rewrite--with new citations and reorganization and clarification and editing.

I need to know two things: is there a special approach for offering up a rewrite? And two, I think the title should be altered--how do I suggest that? On the talk page?

Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Jenhawk777. Strictly speaking, a rewrite is just another edit. But with any extensive edit, dn particularly a total rewrite, it is a good idea for the user making the edit to open an article talk page discussion, explaining what s/he had in mind, and why the major edit was made. Without this, other editors are more likely to revert without thinking as much as they might.

As to changing an article title, that is done with the move function. Requested Moves describes the process. If the move is obvious and uncontroversial, any editor may boldly make it. But if a significant number of editors are likely to object, or if there is a question of the proper target of the move, it is much better Not to get into a back&forth move war. Instead start a move discussion on the article talk page, using {{Requested move}}. Consensus for or against the move should develop. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello again! And thank you again! Do you get tired of hearing that?! I make the edit and open talk and explain about it at the same time? Explain first then edit? Do I not click on the submit your article at the top of sandbox at all? I go in and just erase the whole thing and substitute mine?!? YIKES!! Talk about being bold!!! Am I likely to get lynched?? I have really really good reasons--do I just hope people actually read them?? Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I haven't had time to review the content of User:Jenhawk777/sandbox, Jenhawk777, and it's not a topic I know much about, but I would say that there is some work to do on presentation before the text is ready for the mainspace. You seem to be using bullet points for paragraphs of prose, and there is are issue with spaces before and between inline citations and with punctuation inside quotes. Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style, and specifically MOS:REFSPACE and MOS:LQ. There may be other issues that I haven't spotted from a quick scan. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:50, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I am relatively new here. Christianity is the only topic I write on. It's my area of expertise. I used the bullet points just because I liked the look of them--I figured they might have to go so I will do that. I didn't know about the spacing--thank you I will fix that. And it is prose--I don't know how to write anything other than prose. I have read any number of articles here and the best ones all seem to have decent prose--is that wrong? What else is there? Could you explain? Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:38, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with prose, Jenhawk777. What I meant was that bullet points shouldn't used for prose (only for lists). Cordless Larry (talk) 05:21, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

But Larry--they looked pretty... :-) I took them out. Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:15, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

There is no one rule, Jenhawk777, but in this case i would advise posting on the article talk page before making any major edit to the article, particularly since you are a comparatively inexperienced editor, and many of the other contributors will not know you. You could include a link to your sandbox. You might want to clean up some of the issues that Cordless Larry mentions above first. Also, your sandbox is on the long side for a Wikipedia article, it would probably need to be trimmed significantly or else split into multiple pages, if it were to be put into mainspace. And since, unlike some sandboxes, others have edited it, it should probably be moved and history merged rather than simply copied in. That would require an admin, and most admins would want to see some consensus first. (This is because unlike a simple edit, a history merge is a royal pain to undo.) DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I will attempt to do some clean up as per Cordless Larry's advice. There are a couple of other editors here who helped out with some edits on another page so I will ask them to read it when it is actually done. I am not completely finished and I know it needs shortening--I discuss too much--I will attempt to clean that up as well. One of the dangers of writing in your area of expertise--I want to say everything. What is a history merge? Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:38, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Input on maternal mortality in the USA

Hi, I am new to editing on Wikipedia, and was wondering if I could get input on the page I created for maternal mortality in the USA. Currently, I am still trying to figure out how to correct this:

"This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from related articles; try the Find link tool for suggestions. (July 2017)"

Here is a link to the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_mortality_in_the_USA

Yellowbluebus90 (talk) 05:15, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Yellowbluebus90. Congratulations on writing an article. Please read Wikipedia:Orphan to understand the concept. You want to make it possible for readers to find this article by adding links from other closely related areas of the encyclopedia. One obvious choice for a link to your article is Maternal death. Other possibilities might be articles about maternal health, complications of pregnancy, and so on. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:30, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your time and response! I'll take another look at that. Yellowbluebus90 (talk) 07:49, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

IRL account owner confirmation

What was the template, that stated, that the owner of the account is confirmed by another editor on a Wikipedia meetup? Thank you. Cheers, FriyMan ^{Per aspera ad astra} 12:13, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

[1] Shakespeare, William (1604). The tragedy of Hamlet, prince of Denmark: Act III, Scene I. Stratford-upon-Avon: Second Quarto Publishing. OCLC 252806.

[1]