Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/PlayStation (console)/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 9 March 2022 [1].
- Nominator(s): ♦ jaguar 17:04, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
The PlayStation is a Faustian story of trust and betrayal, animosity and friendship, and strive to power. It is one of the most important video game consoles and also among the most recognisable. I started work on this back in 2014, left it for six years, and picked it up again last year. Since then its length has been tripled and much needed comprehensibility added. It has recently come out of a GA review which has improved the article even more. My thanks goes to Indrian for his invaluable knowledge and support, and TheJoebro64 for picking up where the review left off. Seeing this as a Featured Article along with the Sega Saturn would do both consoles of the electrifying 1990s great justice. ♦ jaguar 17:04, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Image review
[edit]- Suggest adding alt text
- Don't use fixed px size
- File:Playstation_logo_colour.svg is tagged as lacking source information. Given that this is a 3D model design, not sure the simple geometric shapes tag is appropriate
- "A photo of the only known SNES-based PlayStation prototype" - source? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:58, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: thank you, I've addressed your points. I've added alt text to the appropriate images and removed fixed pixel sizes. The rationale for the PlayStation logo is correct since it uses "PD-textlogo", the same found on other video game company logos such as Sega. I've also added a separate source. ♦ jaguar 21:44, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- The Sega logo is a 2D design; is there an example of a 3D design that uses this tag? I'm not certain it would qualify. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: Yes you're right. I don't see the N64 logo on Commons and that's a 3D shape. The Sega Saturn logo is likewise non-free. I've uploaded the PlayStation logo locally on Wikipedia as a non-free image with the proper rationale. ♦ jaguar 23:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria:, how is this one getting on? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:16, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- FUR could use expansion but otherwise good. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:11, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Comments from Panini!
[edit]Since you've done literally hundreds of video game-related reviews (including two of mine), I should most definitely return the favor. I'll be here Monday, and if I'm not, I forgot. Don't take it personally, I don't even remember my girlfriend's name. Jenna, probably. Please ping me if I slack on my job. Wait, no, it was Emma. Emily? Hmm... Panini!🥪 05:02, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Okay, let's do this. I'm no PlayStation expert, in fact I actively despise it. So please, if I question something I'm incorrect about, joyfully deny it.
Resolved comments
|
---|
"This was in contrast to Sega, which had a versatile and well-equipped in-house software division for its arcade games and could easily port successful games to its home consoles." - Wouldn't the same apply for Nintendo? The two were in the same league around this time.
I'm gonna skip over the hardware section; the technical content is far from my strong points and I won't be able to give adequate advice about it.
That's all from me! Lemme know when you get around to satisfying them, and I'll leave my support. Panini!🥪 14:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
|
- Support, and I admire your hard and constant work to Wikipedia. I've been busy IRL with, well, RL things, but seeing other editors achieiving success (and getting shirts from it) is getting me inspired to sit down some content work in the future. Good Job! Panini!🥪 18:59, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Sleeps-Darkly - Support
[edit]CES announcement
[edit]I should mention that the CES announcement part, specifically "At 9am on the day of the CES, instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo", is quite lacking in detail. There's way more stuff to this, specificially that Sony announced their console, and then Nintendo announcing their pulling out.
Going to list sources:
- http://www.ign.com/articles/1998/08/28/history-of-the-playstation : "Sony officially announced the Play Station (space intentional)"
- Jones, 2015, p. 10 : "and on the first day proudly announced the details of its new alliance with Nintendo"
- Jones, 2015, p. 10 : "what happened next is one of the most infamous double-crosses in the history of the videogame industry"
- http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/farewell-father-article : "It was depicted in Japan as a complete betrayal [..] it has been portrayed as Nintendo's greatest error"
- http://www.ign.com/articles/1998/08/28/history-of-the-playstation : "but could also experience a serious backlash from the Japanese business community. Nintendo had broken the unwritten law that a company shouldn't turn against a reigning Japanese company in favor of a foreign one"
In regards to the planned Sony+Sega console, it has a name:
- https://www.ign.com/articles/1998/08/28/history-of-the-playstation : "whereby Sony would produce software for the proposed Sega Multimedia Entertainment System,"
- Also mentioned in Sheff's book, "Game Over", chapter "Sonic Boom" : "Sega made the additional announcement of a deal with Sony, which planned to create games for the Sega Multimedia Entertainment System based on its entertainment companies—the Columbia and TriStar studios and Sony (CBS) Records"
Otherwise, very solid, though I believe these details should be in the article. I've wrote some stuff in the article before, and was writing the Russian counterpart, but put it on the hold until English article getting a GA or FA status in hopes that there will be more sources to look at. Support.
Also, additional part w/r/t sources: The author of a "Retroinspection: Playstation" article in a Playstation Book is not Darran Jones, it's Damien McFerran, and it was published previously in a previous issue of Retro Gamer. Probably should just change the reference from `Jones, 2015` to something like `Playstation Book, 2015` --Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, apologies for the delay in addressing this. I've fleshed out the CES details and added that Nintendo's withdrawal provoked backlash. I've also changed the author of the RG source and added the name of Sega's proposed system. ♦ jaguar 17:12, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
- I would've still expanded the CES part. With something like this, I wrote this quickly:
Kutaragi and Nobuyuki Idei, Sony's director of public relations at the time, learned of Nintendo's actions two days before the CES was due to begin. Kuturagi telephoned numerous contacts, including Philips, to no avail. In June, at the beginning of the first day of CES, Sony announced its partnership with Nintendo and its new console, the Play Station. But the next day, in what observers call "the greatest betrayal" in the industry and Nintendo's biggest mistake, Howard Lincoln took the stage, but instead of the expected confirmation of the contract with Sony, he announced that he was breaking the agreement and signing a new contract with Philips. The event came as a shock to many in the Japanese business community, who saw the cancellation as a grave betrayal - one Japanese company humiliating another Japanese company in favor of a European company - which seemed unthinkable to Japanese businessmen.
- You can reword this as you see fit. --Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 04:43, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the suggestion. I've expanded on the CES paragraph slightly. The after-effects of Nintendo's betrayal has also been expanded on in the inception section. ♦ jaguar 21:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- That's better, thanks. --Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 03:51, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the suggestion. I've expanded on the CES paragraph slightly. The after-effects of Nintendo's betrayal has also been expanded on in the inception section. ♦ jaguar 21:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- You can reword this as you see fit. --Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 04:43, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Dreamcast and PlayStation 2 and retirement
[edit]Forgive me for adding more comments, but because it's a candidate for a featured article status, I would strive for the information fullness. In general, other gaming consoles articles, for example Saturn and Dreamcast both have the ceasing of manufacturing in the end of their history sections. This one does not, and delegates the "by the time it was discontinued in March 2006" into the Models section. I'm of a belief it would be better being also mentioned in the History section.
I would be of an opinion that the end of history section would alse be in a need of adding a Dreamcast/PSOne sales competition; for example: Jones, 2015: p. 13: "the launch of Sega’s technically superior 128-bit Dreamcast in 1999 was unable to upset the status quo".; and: Kent, 2001, pp. 588—589 says that Sega was unable to keep the competition with both PSOne and PS2, and decided to retire Dreamcast early. --Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 20:52, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Sleeps-Darkly: thank you for your comments and support! I know what you mean, I always felt that the history section was unfinished. I've added a new paragraph detailing the PlayStation's later years and its renewed conflict with the Dreamcast. It feels like the final piece of the puzzle has been slotted in. ♦ jaguar 22:49, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
SCEA and SCEE source?
[edit]Sony formed its North American division and European division, known as Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) and Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE), in May and June 1995.
This isn't in the source that is put at the end of that (Charla 1996, p. 39.). It only covers the followup PSX part. Needs sourcing. --Sleeps-Darkly (talk) 04:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Added two additional sources.[2][3]. Also corrected an error: SCEE was formed in January 1995, not June. This is corroborated in SIE's timeline. ♦ jaguar 21:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Support Comments by FrB.TG
[edit]Resolved
|
---|
Down to the end of development subsection. More later. FrB.TG (talk) 17:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
This is it on my part. Nice work. FrB.TG (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
|
Support on prose. Admirable work. If you have the time and interest, I would appreciate comments on my FAC. FrB.TG (talk) 20:07, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Comments from SNUGGUMS
[edit]Resolved
|
---|
There's some work to do, but I'm sure you can get it done within a reasonable time. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:41, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
|
I can now say this has improved enough for me to support it for FA. Hopefully the nomination passes! SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:36, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you SNUGGUMS. I'll keep an eye out if you ever submit anything at FAC! ♦ jaguar 22:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Drive-by from CPA
[edit]- There are some MOS:SANDWICH issues on my screen (1440px) in the Inception and the Controllers sections. Please remove these issues. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:24, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- I've freed up space in the inception subsection by trimming the infobox as much as I could. On my monitor there's miles of room there so I'm afraid I can't judge. I've also fixed the slight squeeze in the controller subsection. ♦ jaguar 21:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild: I think the comments have culminated; do you think there's a consensus? ♦ jaguar 22:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- So far as I can see it still needs a source review. A request for one has been listed. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I understood that Sleeps darkly and Snuggums combed through the sources in their reviews? ♦ jaguar 21:56, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Source review by Amakuru - Pass
[edit]Place holder - I will work on this in the coming days. — Amakuru (talk) 12:49, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- Formatting and miscellaneous points
(this version was reviewed)
- In the past people have asked me to insert hyphens into ISBN numbers, and I believe this may conform to the relevant ISO standard... although this discussion would suggest there isn't firm consensus for it in the MOS. I would make it consistent though. Currently we have McFarran 2015 with no hyphens (9781785461064) and Asakura 2000 with hyphens (978-0-07-135587-2).
- Hyphenated McFarren 2015. ♦ jaguar 21:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Also be consistent between ISBN-10 and ISBN-13.
- Done, I think, at least all those published after 2007 are ISBN-13. ♦ jaguar 21:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Refs 7, 66 and 188 - "Sony Computer Entertainment" was linked in all the other instances, but not this one.
- Linked all instances. ♦ jaguar 21:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Also in Ref 66, it says "Inc." on the end, which it doesn't in others.
- Removed 'Inc.' here. ♦ jaguar 21:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- And Ref 96 abbreviates it to "SCE"
- Fixed. ♦ jaguar 21:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 150 - is there a reason this one was "Sony Computer Entertainment Europe" while the ref 4, which is also a SCEE facts and figures, was just Sony Computer Entertainment? Also consider linking.
- Removed 'Europe' from ref 150 for consistency's sake, and linked. ♦ jaguar 21:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 29 - range should be 25–26 rather than 25–6 per the MOS, and indeed other refs in this article. Ditto #57 and #69
- Amended all - I confuse Wikipedia's MOS with how range is formatted academically. ♦ jaguar 21:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Quite a few of the refs (#51 is one example) are using archive links first and "the original" later, even though the original reference is not dead. Ideally these should have
url-status=live
, particularly given that such a parameter is used in other examples
- I've combed through the sources and added url statuses for all of them. Not sure if there was a script that could do this, it would've saved a lot of time! ♦ jaguar 22:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Refs 52/144/204 - inconsistency in (a) whether "The" is included before "New York Times" (it probably should be) and (b) whether "New York City" is included as a location
- All three refs are now consistent. ♦ jaguar 22:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Edge is sometimes linked and sometimes not
- Linked all. ♦ jaguar 22:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- The location of "Bath" is also sometimes given and sometimes not
- Added all the Baths, and other locations too. ♦ jaguar 22:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 82 - "the Guardian" is odd styling. And if other places have a location it should also have one. I'll stop mentioning locations now, but please make it consistent throughout, either omit or include.
- Fixed styling. I will comb through and make all locations consistent from now on. ♦ jaguar 21:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 94 - in what sense is this "page 3"? It just looks like a single article to me
- The old version of the article was divided in pages. Since it's changed, I've removed the 'page' parameter. ♦ jaguar 21:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 130 - I got a "privacy error" in my browser when I tried following this. Maybe switch to the archived version.
- Same, switched to archived version. ♦ jaguar 21:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Spot checks
(this version was reviewed)
- 1 - checks out
- 4 - the source says "November 1995" but I'm not seeing reference to the 15th specifically
- Replaced with this ref which confirms Australian release date. ♦ jaguar 22:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- 26 - checks out for all
- 94 - checks out
I'll pause there, and then do another pass once some of these issues have been ironed out — Amakuru (talk) 10:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: thank you for checking over the sources! I've addressed all of them so far. I really appreciate your thorough spot checking. ♦ jaguar 22:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild and Jaguar: - sorry for the lengthy delay here and thanks for the amendments made so far. Continuing review with numbers as per this version.
- Ziff Davis - some refs give its location as New York City, while others say Chicago. Some, such as 166 and 169, don't give a location at all.
- It's Chicago. Fixed and added all. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Refs 186 and 206 don't say Tokyo, as the others do
- Added. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Various refs, e.g. 98, 107 etc. give Imagine Media with no location, while others say it is in Bath
- Added New York to all - I was confusing it was its parent company. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Univision is given sometimes as Los Angeles and sometimes Miami. Did it move?
- Added Los Angeles to all. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 154 - doesn't say Brighton, as the other Game Network refs do
- Added. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 200 - no publisher or location given
- Added both. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 214 gives a location and publisher for "GameSpot", but 8 and 194 don't. Ref 15 gives a different location and publisher
- Fixed all. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 197 - no location. Grapevine maybe, as per 93?
- Thank you, added. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 213 - no location for AOL. 38 says it's NYC
- Added New York. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 225 - no location for The Guardian
- Added. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 226 - location and publisher for Ars Technica
- Added. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Refs 204 & 230 - Digital Spy is a website so should probably be italicised, and give a location and publisher
- Done. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 8 - Date says 24 March 2006, but when I click through the article says 23 March.
- Typo, fixed. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 13 - date seems to be 5 May rather than 4 May. Also, what is this verifying? I can't see any reference to Ken Kutaragi in the linked article.
- Strange, I'm not sure why this is here. Removed. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 19 - missing date and author
- Added both. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- More spot checks
- 14, 16 - checks out
Sorry, I've got to go and do some errands now but I will definitely return back again later today or tomorrow. Almost there now! — Amakuru (talk) 11:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Back for more 6 March 2022
- Asakura 2000 - link McGraw-Hill
- Linked. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- DeMaria etc - is there a link for Osborne?
- McGraw-Hill Osborne Media redirects to S&P Global, so linked that. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ilex Press redirects to Lagardère Publishing so is that a useful link?
- Fixed. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- "Sony Computer Entertainment America v. Bleem" ref - I don't think it's accurate to attribute this to Google Scholar. That's just an aggregation and search website. It looks like the original source is the United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit for that one. You could probably use the
{{{via}}}
parameter to highlight that the info was found at Google Scholar, but they are not the authors.
- Thank you, added publisher and 'via Google Scholar'. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ditto the Google Patents ref (182)
- Done. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 195 and 181 - YouTube isn't the publisher of this information, just the host. Suggest
{{{via}}}
again. And 181, the author/publisher is GameTrailers.
- Done and added publisher. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 21 - link points to a printable version of the article, with no date, but the full version gives a date of 9 September 2010.
- Thank you, replaced ref. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 24 is credited to "IGN Staff" in the link, but you give it just as "IGN". Ref 26, however, is "Edge staff" and you credit it to "Edge staff". Be consistent one way or the other. Ref 42 just says "Edge". Ref 60 just says "MCV".
- Added 'staff' to all these refs. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 27 - where do you get "The Road To PS5:" from? I can't see that in the link, title just looks like "PSOne's Betrayal And Revenge Story".
- It's possible that was the original title when the ref was being auto-formatted. I've removed the 'Road to PS5' bit. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 28 - author is Brian Ashcraft
- Added. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 36 - main link seems dead to me, so suggest using archive link. Also the date looks like 10 April 2008 rather than 17 June 2008
- Fixed. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 38 - link is dead. Also the title should be "Original Nintendo/Sony PlayStation prototype found" with author JC Fletcher and date of 7 June 2007
- Fixed ref. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 65 - Should the title include "game content development" at the end? And date is 27 September 2005
- Yes, added and fixed. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 102 - [6] appears to be a better archive link, pointing to the actual article in question
- Not sure what happened there! Added. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 112 - link has Keith Stuart and Steve Boxer has co-authors
- Added Steve Boxer and the secondary author. ♦ jaguar 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Will finish combing through the remainder later. — Amakuru (talk) 10:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- More spot checks
- 22 - checks out
- And yet more
- Ref 132 - date on the link says 2 March 2002. Unless it was earlier printed under the 2000 date?
- The archived version gives the date as 5 December 2000, which is definitely correct given the article's reflection of it. I'm not sure why it now says 2002, but I've switched to the archived version to reflect the correct date. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Does Imagine Media (in lots of refs) have a location?
- Added New York City for all. ♦ jaguar 19:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 183 - main link doesn't work; switch to archive link
- Done. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 193 - date 21 July 2015
- Thank you, added. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 196 - date on link says September 14, 1997 rather than August 1997
- Fixed. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 294 - author Mark Langshaw
- Added. ♦ jaguar
- Ref 209 - link dead
- Fixed. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 210 - archive link doesn't work. I assume [7] is the same article, so maybe switch URL to that and archive it again
- Very well spotted. Replaced ref with Bloomberg link. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 211 - the page has been updated since 2014 (date stamp is 2019) so make sure it's still relevant
- The updated article still reflects Sega's console demise, so no need to change the content or remove it. I've updated the date, in any case. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 213 - date is 6 December 2006 I believe
- Fixed. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 215 - the contents of the link [8] has changed from the 30 best to the 20 best, and is now by Josh West, so make sure it's still relevant (it looks like the PS slipped from 3rd to 5th in the ranking). Otherwise make the archive url the primary and probably use a parameter of
url-status=usurped
on the cite template.
- I wish the editors would make new articles instead of updating old ones. I've added the 'usurped' parameter. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 215 - it's not dead
- Fixed now it's usurped. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 219 - date is 19 September 1997
- Amended. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 224 - needs an author, and also a date (if available). And is lostlevels.org confirmed to be a reliable source?
- This must have been added in after the GAN, I don't remember seeing this... it's not listed at WP:VG/S so I've removed it. I've added two new sources [9][10] which confirm that the two games were moved to the PlayStation. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 225 - author is Keith Stuart. And link The Guardian and provide publisher/location
- Added. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 226 - link Ars Technica and provide publisher/location
- Added. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- ref 231 - original date is 27 Nov 2018 with an update date of 21 April 2020. ALso the main link is not dead
- Fixed all. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Anderson 1997 ref - article is on pages 54 to 57, rather than just on p56 so give that range, and amend the link to point to the start
- Done. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Felit 2012 - why is this a short ref with publication rather than a direct long ref?
- That is very bizarre, I don't remember doing that. I've converted it to a web citation. ♦ jaguar 19:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
And done. — Amakuru (talk) 16:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: thank you very much for your thorough source review! I've addressed all your points. The publisher locations may have been a hassle but it was my fault for not making them completely consistent throughout all the refs. That wouldn't have been an issue if I wrote this whole article from scratch though! Anyway, I'm grateful that you've taken the time to do this. ♦ jaguar 21:05, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the speedy fixes @Jaguar:, all looks good now so happy to support on sourcing. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 15:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, Amakuru. I'll keep an eye out if you have any FACs in the future. ♦ jaguar 16:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the speedy fixes @Jaguar:, all looks good now so happy to support on sourcing. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 15:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
@FAC coordinators: all done here! ♦ jaguar 16:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.