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Punic Wars

The Punic Wars were a series of three wars between 264 and 146 BC fought by the states of Rome and Carthage. All three were won by Rome. The First Punic War broke out in Sicily in 264 BC and lasted 23 years, until 241 BC, when after immense materiel and human losses on both sides the Carthaginians were defeated. The end of the war sparked a major but unsuccessful 4-year-long revolt within the Carthaginian Empire known as the Mercenary War. The Second Punic War began in 218 BC and witnessed Hannibal's crossing of the Alps and invasion of mainland Italy. The successful Roman invasion of the Carthaginian homeland in Africa in 204 BC led to Hannibal's recall and to Carthage suing for peace after 17 years of war. Carthage ceased to be a military threat but Rome contrived a justification to declare war again in 149 BC in the Third Punic War. The Romans stormed the city of Carthage in 146 BC, sacked it, slaughtered most of its population and completely demolished it.

Punic Wars

5 articles

First Punic War

Mercenary War

Second Punic War

Third Punic War

Contributor(s): Gog the Mild

This is a fairly straight forward set. There are three Punic wars, and the Mercenary War is usually considered a part of the wider conflict, so there it is. --Gog the Mild (talk) 17:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support: A well-defined set, all at GA-quality or higher, with a navbox, campaignbox, and category. Great work, Gog! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 17:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Why don't you add the articles on the battles, as well as the Treaty of Lutatius? The Mercenary War could also be added. T8612 (talk) 20:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

T8612: Because the topic here is just the wars; and Mercenary War is included. If one were to nominate an individual war or campaign, then one would need to include all of the battles etc which made it up. As with Guadalcanal Campaign or my earlier Crécy campaign. If the top line article is a set of wars, then only the wars making it up need or should feature, as with Silesian Wars. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:14, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't know how I missed Mercenary War lol. All right then, supporting. T8612 (talk) 23:46, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - can't see any issues -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:49, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks good. Maybe someday each individual war could become a good topic. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 11:29, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support, clearly defined and interlinked with an appropriate navigation box. Great work. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 11:33, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support - and like Hawkeye, I'd think you could do sub-topics for each war, with the major battles, commanders, etc. Parsecboy (talk) 13:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Yep, easily meets the criteria. Hog Farm _Bacon 13:28, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Per above.--Catlemur (talk) 17:25, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support - per nom. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 19:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support and endorse Hawkeye and Parsecboy's suggestions. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:21, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support - This has potential to shortly become a featured topic too. Good call. Xx78900 (talk) 19:54, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - GamerPro64 16:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

1985 World Snooker Championship final

The 1985 World Snooker Championship final was held between Taylor and Davis and is widely considered the most well known snooker match of all time. This good topic covers the two competitors, the article on the final, and that of the event.

Please note - I have never written a good topic before, so please let me know if I've done anything wrong. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:02, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

1985 World Snooker Championship final

4 articles

1985 World Snooker Championship

John Williams

Steve Davis

Dennis Taylor

Contributor(s): Lee Vilenski

• Support: The scope makes sense to me. The articles are all joined by wikilinks and mostly by navboxes, and they're all directly or indirectly in Category:World Snooker Championships. Looks good! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 18:25, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Bryan. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose IMO the article about the referee, John Williams (snooker referee), is also needed. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:41, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

I disagree to a point - but I'm not 100% on the criteria. You could make the argument that there's others, such as the commentary team that would be also suitable, but a little irrelevant to the final itself. We don't have a similar match type GT or FT to match with this, but especially in snooker, the referees job is quite passive. Open to fixing up the article though. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:13, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

I've done a bit of a tidy on that article. I can't find much else on them, right now it's only slightly better than a stub. They are obviously a big deal in terms that they had taken charge of nine world finals, (and the rain incident) but there isn't much else. Might be some paper citations out there, but I'm not sure this can be beefed out too much. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Armbrust - I don't know the rules around this, but John Williams (snooker referee) is now a GA. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Support if the referee is included in the topic. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 11:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support I would have been happy to support without the referee being included, per Bryan. However, it seems reasonable to also include John Williams (snooker referee) in the topic. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:38, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support All articles are at either GA or FA level. Nice to see a novel topic at GT. MWright96 (talk) 07:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
• GamerPro64 - I'm not familiar with this process, do I need to gain more input on this, or do these stay open for a specific amount of time? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - GamerPro64 01:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

First Battle of Newtonia Historic District

First Battle of Newtonia Historic District

3 articles

First Battle of Newtonia

Mathew H. Ritchey House

I'm nominating this for good topic, and it's my first experience with doing this, so I hope this is done correctly. I've got the National historic district at GA, the battle that's preserved by the district at FA, and the lone notable contributing property at GA. I think this meets the good topic criteria, but since this is my first attempt, we'll see. Hog Farm _Bacon 15:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support. This is a bit of a specialist one, but it does, in my opinion, meet the GT criteria. Nice work. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:00, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Support: Good topic Criterion 1(c) says that the articles in the topic should all "be linked together, preferably using a template, and share a common category or super-category." The main article links to the other two, and each of the supporting articles links to the main, but I don't think they link to each other, and there's no navbox or anything like that. I also don't see any shared category or even near-range super-category. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 17:23, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
  • @Bryanrutherford0: - I've added a few main/further links at the tops of sections. They were all linked to each other inline (battle → house in the historic district section, house → battle in the history section), but I've added templates to the others. They're all in Category:Newtonia, Missouri, which covers this topic and a few outside of this topic's scope, and have been for several months. I could create Category:First Battle of Newtonia Historic District, but creating small categories for the sake of creating them isn't something I view as particularly productive. A navbox would also have few links, and they're all linked to each other prominently enough now that I don't see it'd be particularly useful to create one. Does my linking changes help with this? Hog Farm _Bacon 17:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I think Category:Newtonia, Missouri probably does the trick; I agree that there's no reason to create a category or a navbox just for the sake of this topic. Fair enough I can support this. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 17:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support looks good to me. Good to see you threading these together. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Good work.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:51, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support meets the criteria. MPJ-DK (talk) 01:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Great work, everything looks good to me. Aza24 (talk) 05:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - GamerPro64 02:04, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Melodrama

Melodrama is the second studio album by New Zealand singer Lorde, released through Universal, Lava and Republic Records on 16 June 2017. A departure from the minimalist style of her debut album Pure Heroine (2013), it is a pop and electropop record incorporating piano instrumentation and maximalist electronic beats. It was primarily written and produced by Lorde and Jack Antonoff, with production input by several high-profile producers including Frank Dukes, Flume, Malay, S1 and Joel Little. Melodrama has been described as a loose concept album that explores the theme of solitude.

Melodrama

11 articles

"Green Light"

"Perfect Places"

"Homemade Dynamite"

"Liability"

"Sober"

"The Louvre"

"Supercut"

"Hard Feelings/Loveless"

"Writer in the Dark"

Melodrama World Tour

Contributor(s): De88

Every article on this topic now meets the GA criteria. --De88 (talk) 04:26, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support: Looks like the album, all the tracks, and the tour. There doesn't appear to be a concert film or anything else like that. The're all linked by a navbox template, and they share a super-category. I think it's good to go! Good work! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 12:39, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comments: Remove "Pretty Much Amazing" sources as it is a "music blog started in 2008 and maintained by Daniel, a self-proclaimed music nerd." It is featured on most of the articles. On the song, "The Louvre" there are no wikilinks on the references. That also applies to other aticles such as "Hard Feelings/Loveless", which doesn't have wikilinks to "The Line of Best Fit", "New York Times" and so on...give a good glance at it on the other articles as well. On the aforementioned song the "Pigeons and Planes" source redirects to a broken link affiliated with Complex. All in all, despite the notability of the articles above being shown I have serious doubts regarding "Writer in the Dark" as it doesn't pass WP:NS since "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability." Moreover, it fails the three factors listed in the wikipage. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:00, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

• @MarioSoulTruthFan: If I recall correctly, Pretty Much Amazing is one of the sources that Metacritic uses to compile their aggregate scores. I was under the assumption that this site had some credibility to its name. Also, are wikilinks in the citation necessary? I have seen many GAs only wikilink when mentioning the source in the body, not the citation itself. I went ahead and nominated "Writer in the Dark" for deletion. De88 (talk) 14:56, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

• @MarioSoulTruthFan and De88: IMO, this is not a place to discuss whether or not "Writer in the Dark" is notable. The entry is currently a Good article and that's what matters in this discussion. If MarioSoulTruthFan thinks the subject is not notable then they should have submitted a deletion nomination. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:32, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

• De88 I guess not every site in the aggregater is a reliable source? I mean it says it is a "blog" and I can't find anything on the editor online, like if he has worked for other publications or so. I have never seen that? They wikilink in the body and minimum once in the references. Another Believer this is the place to discuss it since it is part of the good topic nomination. The nominator and creator of the article did it for me. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: From the website itself:

Pretty Much Amazing is a music blog started in 2008 and maintained by Daniel, a self-proclaimed music nerd. PMA was once called “the true keepers of serendipity” in The New Yorker. MTV considered PMA one of the “best independent music blogs,” and “a blog you should know.” The Toronto Star very kindly described PMA as “indispensable,” and the New York Post said Pretty Much Amazing was “one of those little website crumbs of deliciousness [we] visit every morning.” PMA used to be a daily publication. In 2020, this site will exist as an archive to more than 11,000 posts on music, including over 1,000 album reviews. New content will still be published...

Pretty Much Amazing

The site clearly has been recognised by other established publications. Does that not warrant some notability? If Metacritic, a website cited frequently in Wikipedia articles, recognises PMA as a valid source for gauging their aggregate scores, then I do not see why it cannot be used here as well.

• @MarioSoulTruthFan: No, this is the place to discuss if these Good articles add up to a Good topic. They do. Your issues with specific articles are independent, and even if "Writer in the Dark" is deleted, this will still be a group of Good articles collected as a possible Good topic. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

• Another Believer I never said it wouldn't be a good topic. People have the right to comment here trying to improve the articles. I guess you might have some point regarding PMA website. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:06, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

• @MarioSoulTruthFan: Critiques of individual articles aside, do you support the Good topic promotion? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:07, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Update: "Writer in the Dark" has survived AfD. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:48, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

• Support. This is not the place for MarioSoulTruthFan to gripe about specific articles. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:47, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom, not the place for such a discussion. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
• Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - GamerPro64 01:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

CMLL World Micro-Estrellas Champions

The CMLL World Micro-Estrellas Champions (Campeonato Mundial Micro-Estrellas de CMLL in Spanish) was a professional wrestling championship promoted by Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL) since December 2019. The topic includes all notable members who have competed for the championship.

CMLL World Micro-Estrellas Champions and challengers

7 articles

Chamuel

Microman

El Gallito

Zacarías el Perico

Guapito

Mije

Contributor(s): MPJ-DK

This represents a complete topic of the championship, including the title itself, the champion and everyone involved with the tournament to crown the first champion. It actually includes all notable Mini-Estrellas in CMLL so it is unlikely to change significantly over time and would be manageable. It has a unifying template etc. --MPJ-DK (talk) 12:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support: Seems to tick all the boxes, as described in the nomination. Good work! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 17:13, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 13:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:58, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:40, 9 October 2020 (UTC)