User talk:Viriditas/Archive 38

Traitors among us: The role of the Council for National Policy (CNP), Christian Nationalism, and the January 6 insurrection

New research: Christian Nationalism and Political Violence: Victimhood, Racial Identity, Conspiracy, and Support for the Capitol Attacks (2022). Viriditas (talk) 16:07, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Documented Has Obtained a New Council for National Policy Membership List: "Numerous CNP members were tied to organizing the rally on January 6 in Washington, D.C. that preceded the attack on the U.S. Capitol. The Washington Post reported in January 2021 at least six current or former members of the Council for National Policy (CNP) played roles in promoting the rallies." Viriditas (talk) 02:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

• Despite ample evidence, Christian nationalism mostly absent from final Jan. 6 report (2022) Faith leaders have questioned the omission, which lawmakers have signaled is founded in caution against tarring 'every American who believes God has blessed America' as a white supremacist.
  • "… the influence of Christian nationalism among the Jan. 6 rioters was clearly evident in the flags and banners they waved. In the days before the assault, “Jericho Marches,” based on the Bible’s Book of Joshua, circled Capitol Hill praying for the election results to be overturned. When rioters stormed into the Senate chamber on Jan. 6, they huddled in prayer. Yet the committee’s final report, released late on Thursday (Dec. 22), an 845-page document, mentioned Christian nationalism by name exactly once, and only in passing." Viriditas (talk) 02:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

As per 2019 El Paso Shooting talk page thread

I'm about to take a few days off or mostly off from wiki but my answer to your post on the talk page is yes and yes, hope I'm able to help. OgamD218 (talk) 23:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@OgamD218: no hurry at all on this, but here’s a partial list of article topics I’ve put together that are facing similar problems. You can add these to your watchlist if you like. Viriditas (talk) 00:31, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

•  Pending Nwanguma v. Trump: currently a redirect to Legal affairs of Donald Trump#Lawsuit for inciting violence at March 2016 campaign rally. It needs to be created as a standalone article and nobody has taken the initiative to do it. I’ve asked several different WikiProjects for help and they’ve ignored my pleas.

•  Pending Incitement of violence by Donald Trump against Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton: this article does not yet exist. Of particular note, is the incitement of violence against Clinton by Trump during late 2016. Notable incidents include Trump’s comments at the August 9, 2016, Wilmington, North Carolina, Trump campaign rally, and the September 16, 2016 Miami, Florida, Trump campaign rally. Given the enormous number of incitement incidents in general, it would make sense to merge this info into a general topic, such as Incitement of violence by Donald Trump.

•  Pending 2016 Garden City bombing plot: currently a redirect to Garden City, Kansas. Needs its own article.

•  Pending 2016 Trump remarks on foreign policy, hosted by the Center for the National Interest: currently a small blurb over at Center for the National Interest, but given that it was Donald Trump's first major foreign policy address, it deserves its own page and article topic, appropriately titled. I recall reading that this speech was partly responsible for the incitement of Cesar Sayoc, leading him to subsequently attend the 2017 Melbourne, Florida, post-inauguration Trump rally, after which he began planning his attempted attacks on Democratic politicians.

•  Pending 2018 United States mail bombing attempts: Article needs to be watched closely. We have editors trying to whitewash the relationship between Trump’s rhetoric, Trump’s rallies, and Sayoc’s adherence to Trump’s incitement. The article virtually whitewashes Trump’s role inciting Sayoc, and reads as if it was written by Russian operatives working for Putin, as it flips the script and consistently blames Democrats and liberals for Sayoc’s terroristic behavior, which has been conclusively linked to Trump. This article needs to be completely rewritten.

•  Done 2017 Aztec High School shooting: same issue as the above. References and citations to Trump’s role are repeatedly removed. Doesn’t even reference the year in the title because it links to Trump. The last time Trump was mentioned in the article was back in 2019, so it’s been removed for several years. Here’s an example of the kind of content that fails to appear in the article: "[The] 21-year-old New Mexico resident lived a prolific life as a white supremacist, pro-Trump meme peddler who was most known for his obsession with school shooters...[A tattoo with the] words "build wall," were found above his left knee, KOB4 reports, which appears to be a reference to President Donald Trump’s promise to “build a wall” in an attempt to keep illegal immigrants out." You wouldn’t know that from reading the article, and the edit history shows users repeatedly removing references to Trump.

•  Pending 2017 Charlottesville car attack: same issues up above. Trump’s role in influencing the perp and his reaction to the incident is completely whitewashed from the lead section and buried deep into the body of the article where few people will ever see it. Major rewrite needed.

•  Doing... 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue shooting: same issues up above. Editors flip the script, portray and frame perp as a critic of Trump (!) instead of his supporter. Article fails to mention that the perp "posted on social media about the caravan Trump fixated upon in the last weeks of the midterm campaign, calling the refugees ‘invaders’". Instead we are told all of this without any mention of Trump, even though the sources clearly connect Trump’s rhetoric with the caravans that the perp was obsessed with. Rewrite needed.

•  Pending 2019 threats against Ilhan Omar: related content currently appears at Ilhan Omar#Threats and harassment. "In April 2019, Trump repeatedly tweeted video footage of September 11 and accused Omar of downplaying the terror attacks, in a coordinated campaign by the tabloid New York Post, owned by Rupert Murdoch, which splashed a quote from Omar on their cover over a picture of the World Trade Center in flames." "Omar said that she had received more death threats after Trump made comments about her and asserted Trump was putting her life in danger by retweeting a tweet falsely claiming she had "partied on the anniversary of 9/11". Could be merged to new article Incitement of violence by Donald Trump.

•  Doing... 2019 El Paso shooting: same issues as above. Editors have repeatedly whitewashed all mentions of the connection to Trump, with nothing in the lead or in the body indicating the connection is real or significant. The article even frames the connection from the POV of the perp, insisting that Trump isn’t responsible. Are you starting to see a pattern? "The white supremacist who drove 10 hours to kill 22 innocent civilians at an El Paso Walmart last weekend was a Trump fan....[His] anti-Hispanic, anti-immigrant manifesto...uses language about immigrants similar to that used by U.S. president Donald Trump, such as referring to a migrant 'invasion'." But you wouldn’t know that if you read the article on Wikipedia. Major rewrite needed.

•  Pending 2019 Kingsman video: currently a redirect to Kingsman: The Secret Service. Could be merged into a new article on the incitement of violence by Trump and his supporters.

•  Done 2019 Hurricane Dorian–Alabama controversy: zero mention of the fact that Trump’s modification of the weather map was a federal crime according to 18 U.S. Code § 2074 - False weather reports

•  Pending April 2020 storming of the Michigan State Capitol. Article does not exist on Wikipedia, because, in case you haven’t guessed by now, Donald Trump was responsible for encouraging it. "President Donald Trump offered his support for the protests, derisively calling Whitmer "that woman from Michigan" and tweeting on April 17: "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!" Two weeks later, on April 30, armed protesters stormed the Michigan State Capitol." And yes, the calls were coming from inside the White House: "The protest was organized by the Michigan Conservative Coalition, a group with ties to the DeVos family". So, instead of an actual article about a Trump/DeVos funded and sponsored protest that stormed the state Capitol, we get no article at all, but a couple paragraphs buried throughout Wikipedia, most notably somewhere deep inside COVID-19 pandemic in Michigan. The pattern is exceptionally clear: if Trump is connected, editors will whitewash, bury, delete, and obfuscate.

•  Not done 2020 Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot: same issues as above. Lead doesn’t mention a word about Trump, even though the body of the article paints a fairly conclusive picture of him as encouraging, supporting, and influencing the perps.
  • POV currently in the article, argues that half the militia group was against Trump, while the other half supported him. Based on what I know about the militias connected to this group, I don't believe this for a minute. Yes, they were agitating against the federal government as extremist, right-libertarians, but every one of these people I've read about loves and supports Trump. More research needed to see if this POV is supported. Viriditas (talk) 02:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

•  Doing... Texas Trump Train ambush. Article doesn’t exist. Instead, we get one paragraph whitewashing the incident and a second paragraph of Trump denying responsibility, all of it buried inside Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign, where nobody will ever find or read them. Strangely, the article fails to mention that "Donald Trump Jr. told supporters in Texas to give Sen. Kamala Harris a "Trump Train welcome" two days before cars with MAGA signs swarmed a Biden campaign bus on a highway near Austin and led to a crash. "It'd be great if you guys would all get together, head down to McAllen, and give Kamala Harris a nice Trump Train welcome," he said in a video." Meanwhile, the incident has led to what has become the Trump Train lawsuit, yet if you only got your information from Wikipedia, you wouldn’t know about it.

December music

January songs

happy new year

Thank you for your help with Mother and Child. I tried to link Atma, and failed, and your link was such a gift! Perhaps add that to the other. - Enjoy the season! Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

User:Gerda Arendt, I based the link on your source. Although the target isn’t ideal, and is somewhat confusing, it is more accurate than any other other target we have at the moment. For what it’s worth, this is a wonderful piece of music, and I regret that because I live in a somewhat isolated region, I have never seen it performed live. I hope to have the chance in the future. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Stay warm. Viriditas (talk) 00:31, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. - I heard it when I was permitted to attend a rehearsal of the Dessoff Choirs, - fascinating! - Wishing you a year of harmony! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

User:Gerda Arendt, you are very lucky to have experienced the music of John Tavener in a live musical environment. I am hoping in 2023 the technology will have advanced enough to attend live performances remotely in VR. Live Nation Entertainment claimed they were planning to do this some time ago, but nothing has come of it as far as I know, except that they have generated an enormous amount of animosity due to their ticket pricing scandals. Happy New Year, and thank you for bringing so much light into the world! Viriditas (talk) 03:58, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I feel blessed by the music coming back, after severe restrictions for two years. Today, I point at two singers I whose performance I enjoyed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Great work, as usual, Gerda. Your comment got me to thinking, what if you created a talk page DYK box for transclusion, similar to the pretty boxes you use elsewhere, but could appear on user pages such as my own (and anyone else who desires) to highlight your DYK work (and if designed appropriately could highlight any users work in addition to your own). Let me rephrase it another way for clarity: I’m interested in seeing your DYK work, not just on the main page, but also on my talk page, highlighted by itself, as if I’m subscribing to it. Wouldn’t that be cool? Let me put this yet another way: I’m aware you work on music DYK hooks. There should be a way to edit my user/talk page in such a way that I can say "show me DYK hooks with a music theme", and then either have them appear randomly, or be able to choose by user. What do you think? Viriditas (talk) 09:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, and mixed thoughts. I am getting out of Did you know as it currently is, see see you later. - I could make the top notice on my talk a template that you could include, and I could use it on both my talk and images, - how is that? - I also plan to make an extra pages of "my songs" - it's my mother's birthday today who gave most of them to me while I was little. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

You can call {{User Gerda Arendt/Top}}, see also - linked from my user page - memories (with DYK by subject). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Gerda Arendt. Will it load older DYKs or just new ones? I will add it to my page. I am sorry to hear you will stop doing DYK, but perhaps this is to the benefit of FA? I heard some wonderful music tonight on the radio. It was Louis Spohr, Violin Concerto No. 8 in A Minor, Op. 47. Simply divine. Viriditas (talk) 09:28, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Lovely music! - I'll load older DYK fitting for a day, but will try to keep this one - related to the subject of my first article - until the next one comes. I began my songs, with the DYK, in case of interest. - I need a break from DYK. The last straw was Galina Pisarenko (discussion on the talk), a legendary singer, who was first rejected and then diluted to saying the she learned Norwegian. Not what I am here for, not what she deserved. I think I will better omit that from my list of those who recently died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm back from vacation. Melitta Muszely died, RIP - the other story is 10 years old OTD ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Precious

peaceful beauty

Thank you for quality articles about beauty in culture, such as Giant Steps, list of Hawaiian dishes, Lahaina Banyan Court Park and The Lady in White (Bracquemond), for service from 2004, for living the "principle of peaceful, non-violent protest", for adding beauty, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2793 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Viriditas!

Happy New Year!

Viriditas,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
— Moops ^⋠T⋡ 02:26, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

— Moops ^⋠T⋡ 02:26, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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February songs

February songs

Thank you for appreciation! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

... and for a nice comment on my talk. - My story on 24 February is about Artemy Vedel (TFA by Amitchell235) as you already know, and I made a suggestion for more peace, - what do you think? Best said on the article talk, perhaps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

today: two women whose birthday we celebrate today, 99 and 90! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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SNL epistolary skit

Unless you mean The War in Words, I haven't seen it... AnonMoos (talk) 08:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@AnonMoos: Yes, that's what I mean! The first sketch, the one about WWI, is one of the best performances by Mikey Day. On a more personal level, it's funny to me because I've had long, drawn out conversations like this before in email or text, where you never get an actual answer to a direct question. Viriditas (talk) 09:08, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

I saw at least two of them, but not sure which two, and they've kind of blurred together in my mind. They were amusing, but I didn't connect them with any personal experience I've had. -- AnonMoos (talk) 23:08, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

July music

July songs

my story today

While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. - So nice to see it at your top - today. I began the article about the woman in green. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Ah, you have a wonderful memory! You hearken back to our earlier discussion about "Mother and Child". I have a question for you: in the jazz genre, there’s a kind of niche style that involves adding lyrics and vocals to more famous, melodic instrumental pieces. I’m wondering, do you know if this kind of thing is done in choral music? For example, the instrumental music by Debussy and the composers who are members of Les Apaches might lend itself to new choral works. Has anyone done anything like this? Viriditas (talk) 23:42, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt:. Viriditas (talk) 23:43, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, - sorry I don't know, - I haven't met anything of the kind you describe. - You would have enjoyed the concert, I'm sure. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:55, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Today Jahrhundertring, and I just listened to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival (pictured), - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

August music

August songs

my story today

My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend with two weddings, so also like the spirit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: what an amazing DYK on so many different levels, as you allude to in your comment. There is so much that can be said here, but sometimes it is best to let the thing speak for itself and leave it at that. Thank you for sharing. Viriditas (talk) 01:28, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding! It fit best just above your top about love. One of the weekend's ideas that came from looking at the verses the second couple had chosen for their motto, by Ruth, "Where you go I will go ...", was that in all she says, "you" comes first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

It's amazing how common cousin marriage was back then--and well, still is in some parts of the world! I couldn't imagine marrying my cousin, and it's interesting to think about my thinking; do I say that only because the choices are so much greater now? In other words, when people lived in small towns, they didn't have much choice when it came to partners? Viriditas (talk) 06:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

True. One of my ancestors lived in a small village. She fell in love with a travelling worker building them a railway. Her mother said, in horror (he was much older, and other fears), that she'd find one in the village. She said she looked, and no. They married, and when he died they were married for 60 years. - Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! - No cake yet, but a butterfly and open-air opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

More pics uploaded, with wedding cakes - I couldn't resist. Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:06, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is the anniversary of the premiere of Götterdämmerung. Berit Lindholm sang its final scene in concert at the Royal Festival Hall in London, only four years after her stage debut in a Mozart opera in Stockholm. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Today, my focus is on Renata Scotto, after days of updating. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: you really put a lot of work into that. I hope you keep going with it. Sometimes I think there's a need for a time machine, because I would love to travel into the past and watch her perform. Viriditas (talk) 22:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:42, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: he’s one of my fave composers. I’m convinced that the genre of the modern film score is singularly in his debt. Viriditas (talk) 02:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is Gwendolyn Killebrew's birthday, as you will have seen - pictured: a spider and sweet food --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

This too shall pass. - Ten years ago on 28 August, I heard a symphony, with a heavy heart because of the pending decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX, and not worried about my future here but Andy's. - It passed, and I could write the DYK about calling to dance, not battle, and Andy could write the DYK mentioning about peace and reconciliation, - look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Images of the Lovatelli urn

Hi Viriditas. I went back through my old photos and uploaded some new images of the Lovatelli urn to the Commons, in case you might find them useful. I also uploaded the unrolled drawing of the entire relief from Lovatelli's original publication, since you mentioned on the talk page that you were looking for that. You can find them all at c:Category:Lovatelli urn. Cheers, Choliamb (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Help with understanding "non-free use rationale"?

I've added a couple of "non-free use rationale" for this image here, but I don't seem to understand the criteria or functions as well as I thought as the image was still removed from the additional articles by a bot. Do you happen to know where I can best find a simple summary of how this works and if there would be any legitimate use of this image in some related articles? Thanks for any help. -- Jjhake (talk) 13:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

User:Jjhake, it's a bit tricky and complex. I think the easiest way to determine the appropriate usage is to just look at the subject ("Edward James Ruppelt at Bluebook"). This tells me that acceptable fair use for both Edward J. Ruppelt and Project Bluebook is valid. Beyond that, it gets a little hazy. It looks like you figured out why the bot removed it.[1] However, I'm not certain fair use will apply to those other articles, but it's worth it to give it a shot. Viriditas (talk) 00:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. The bot removed it from Project Bluebook as well even after I’d updated the image, but I’ll try that one more time, perhaps. Jjhake (talk) 00:46, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Jjhake: The only thing I can think of is that you need to add separate instances of {{Non-free use rationale 2}} at the top for each article. It's the only thing that makes sense. As far as I can tell, the template was designed for only one article, so you have to add a new one for each subsequent use. Viriditas (talk) 00:57, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Reading more about that lead me to try out the combo of "Non-free media data" and "Non-free media rationale" templates which was recommended for cases with multiple articles. I've given that a try for just the two main articles directly on topic as you pointed out. Jjhake (talk) 02:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Friendly request

Regarding Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous, please do not remove a discussion after another editor (me in this case) responds. These discussions are informative to other editors and will be archived in due time. Cullen328 (talk) 23:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

User:Cullen328, my error. I mistakenly assumed that you wanted me to remove it. Viriditas (talk) 23:56, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

In response to your OP, from a perusal of the linked example I can say that this type of artifact is called a moiré, an interference pattern produced from an interaction between, on one hand, the halftone screens (or comparable engraving technique) that were used to reproduce the cover image and, on the other, the grid of pixels in the scan. In the analogue era of the printing trade, when a second-generation image of the cover would have been captured by a copy-camera—through another halftone screen—I’d call it a rescreen moiré, as opposed to a self- or subject moiré (where one of the interfering ‘spatial waves’ is inherent to the image, for example a flight of stairs or a railing viewed from a distance, or from closer up a striped or houndstooth textile). I don’t know if there’s a term more apt to the digital era.

As to what can be done, not much AFAIK, particularly when the moiré has such a low frequency (i.e. so large a scale). The best solution would be to scan it again at a different resolution or on an angle, finding a setup that minimizes the effect by trial-&-error, but of course that’s no help after the fact when you don’t have the original. (I notice the example also has some edges cut off, which would ideally be remedied at the same time.) The general strategy for tackling either type of moiré is to blur the image on a comparable scale to the wavelength of the pattern, but here a blur of sufficient size would destroy all the details. I’m not up to speed with the latest in image-manipulation software—maybe someone’s brought AI to bear on the problem, for example—but the anti-moiré photo-retouching tools I’ve seen can only deal with small-scale patterns, which can be blurred to the point of imperceptibility without compromising the ‘real’ details.

A further note, if this isn’t TLDR already: moiré in colour images usually affects the component channels (primary colours) differently, because in the original each colour of ink will have been screened at a different angle (which is chosen to minimize the perceptibility of the moiré between them by creating a high-frequency “rosette” pattern). Where a greyscale (black-&-white) reproduction will suffice, it may be possible to obtain a decent result by omitting or blurring the worse-affected channels. In your example the Red channel is comparatively ‘clean’, with only a sort of spurious canvas texture that’s much more subtle than the checkered-flag effect in the G & B channels, so could make for a fairly faithful monochrome reproduction—or perhaps a somewhat weird or impressionistic (but at least not checkered) colour rendering.—Odysseus1479 03:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for reminding me that I still want to upload these images. For what it's worth, I have G'MIC-Qt plug-in installed for GIMP 2.10. There should be a way to script a filter to fix this problem. Here's a link to the reference and resource page.[2] Tell me what you think. Viriditas (talk) 08:39, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Funny, I’d written a sentence or two speculating that scientific image-processing software might have some mathematical means of dealing with it, such as Fourier transforms, but decided it was too vague to be helpful, in a long-enough post … Anyway most of that is well outside my experience, but (assuming your permission to talk out of my hat) one feature caught my eye: if you could run a bandpass filter that excludes a fairly narrow range of wavelengths approximating that of the moiré, you might be able to smooth it out without harming larger & smaller details. If the filter can only include such a range, perhaps the result (basically a picture of the moiré itself) could be used as an overlay or mask on the original to apply compensation, if that makes any sense. Since the magazine was probably not perfectly flat when scanned, the pattern will not be quite uniform, so I expect the bandwidth will need to be large enough to contain a certain amount of variability.—Odysseus1479 03:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Odysseus1479: just a note to say that I haven't had a chance to play around with it just yet, but I am thinking about it in the next few days. I appreciate you keeping me on my toes. Viriditas (talk) 08:44, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Odysseus1479: I am happy to report that the G'MIC-Qt plug-in for moiré removal works. I was able to remove almost 90% of the moiré artifacts using various passes of the filter on selected settings. I will upload the results as soon as I am finished playing around with it. Viriditas (talk) 22:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Cross Road Blues

Hello. It's been awhile and I'm don't know if you are still assisting with reviews. I have a current FAC for the Robert Johnson song "Cross Road Blues". One reviewer has raised some issues regarding the wording and we are trying to work through it. I don't want to impose, but remember how helpful you were in past reviews. Would you be up to looking through the article for stylistic issues and make some suggestions or even copyedit if you feel like it? Thanks. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:14, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

I’m going to pass, not because I don’t want to help, but because the situation is under control and it doesn’t look like you need my assistance. I appreciate you asking me, however. Viriditas (talk) 20:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

I understand and hope things are OK after the recent disaster. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 01:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Fauré

I'm wondering how you got on with the list of recordings I mentioned back in March. I do hope Fauré touched the spot for you, but of course à chacun ses goûts. Tim riley talk 23:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@Tim riley: Thank you for following up! That's very thoughtful of you. I don't know if you recall, or if you ever got the ping (I did ping you in the discussion, but there are times it doesn't work). Basically, I ran into a weird problem with Apple Music and dropped it. I did give it a try! The full discussion about the problem I ran into is here. I would love to get back into it, so thank you for reminding me. In fact, I may give it a go later tonight. Viriditas (talk) 02:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

September music

September songs

my story today

Our festival's last concert was most moving and inspiring, - also the story of Walter Arlen, - today I'm proud that I survived the decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX for 10 years, standing and singing -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. As always, you are a breath of fresh air in a malodorous world. Your very presence brings so much happiness to others. I had some free time the other day to listen to some of the BBC Proms broadcasts. I believe it was this one. Another thing I've been meaning to ask you: are you familiar with American composer Marga Richter? I wanted to create an article about one of her compositions, but it's fairly complex, and I'm not sure how far I would get. I would probably be able to cover the most basic information, but given the source, would you be willing to help fill in the more expert areas? Viriditas (talk) 22:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, - I like fresh air ;) - As for the composer, go ahead, begin, and hope for collaboration. I am not at all a music expert, and have the difficulty of being unfamiliar with a lot of terminology in English, but there are other who will help! Just go to project Classical music. - I don't have to tell you about today's story, - always so nice to open your talk! - It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

My story today - as you know - is The Company of Heaven ("company" with a double meaning, but angelic company in the end). - Pictures of the one more day yes, but no others yet, it's a week with concert or opera almost every night! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Moving discussion here

there is also an incredible amount of resistance to new ideas in the medical and science communities

@Tryptofish: your talk page is big enough as it is, so I'm splitting this off here. I hope you don't mind.

Regarding this resistance to new ideas, I don't think this is unique to medicine and science. As far as I understand it (which is not so well), human culture and its relevant influence and extension into academia and other sectors, has historically appealed to tradition rather than evidence-based procedures and practices. I write a lot about this in articles about art and music, where you find artists trying to thread the needle between being in the vanguard, and so far over the edge of tradition that they are considered partly alien, and the need to make a living, which finds them coming back to the mainstream and trying to integrate what they found on the other side of the mountain back into the village. And as far as I understand the controversial psychological literature (which is not at all), this is based on the way the human brain works (our brains develop perceptual habits that are difficult to break without thinking about thinking, which most people never do), although there is some debate and disagreement about this. (For example, the notion that conservatism is rooted in brain chemistry, and liberal brains are somehow more easily able to adopt new ideas and perspectives, etc.) I think it is safe to say that there is an element of fear and uncertainty involved in anything that is new and different for most people. Still, there is a small minority of humanity that thrives in this frontier unlike their neighbors. Formerly, we might refer to this as the avant garde. It's unfortunate, but in today's world, this notion has been monetized in technology and engineering, to the point where new ideas are very often not new at all, but wrapped up in older, institutionalized frameworks that give the appearance of the new, but don't change the way we do things, but instead solidify the status quo. This is especially true when it comes to trying to change education; very little actual progress has been made. Because people are so afraid of change, we are now living in a strange, new world where what is new is almost unheard of and unseen.

There is also the tendency to codify this approach (that is, the appeal to tradition over evidence) into the legal and government sphere, with creeping incrementalism the rule of the day, while paradigm-shifting revolutions in that area are rare and few and far in between. In regards to cannabis (the topic we briefly touched upon in the original discussion on your talk page), the literature is quite clear on why it remains a Schedule I drug in the US. It has nothing to do with public safety and human health, as its health benefits have been well known in the pharmacopoeia (folk and otherwise) for centuries. The reason cannabis remains a Schedule I drug in the US is multifactorial. It has to do with institutional and systemic racism (see Harry J. Anslinger) and its use in comparison to alcohol and prescription drugs. (Industry representatives fund anti-cannabis efforts, and there's good data showing as cannabis use rises, alcohol and prescription drug use declines. One of the more popular examples shows states with legal use of cannabis consistently consuming less opiates than other states where it is illegal, etc.) Former White House counsel to Richard Nixon John Ehrlichman let the cat out of the bag in 1994, just a few years before he died. As you are likely aware, the Nixon administration listed cannabis as Schedule I with no medicinal value. Erlichman told journalist Dan Baum the reason they did this: "You want to know what this was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."[3] The FDA, the DEA, and all the other agencies who continue to defend Schedule I, are doing so in bad faith, and in opposition to fifty years of scientific recommendations saying it should be removed. Viriditas (talk) 01:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree with everything you say there. And that's exactly right, about how the underlying political agenda was a cynically racist one. (I hadn't previously seen that quote from Ehrlichman, but it's certainly a doozy.) And what there was in the Nixon administration was greatly amplified by Reagan, and "just say no". As for the brain/mind differences between most people and the avante-garde, I have no idea how much of it is genetic, and how much is early life experience, but I have a gut feeling that it is more the latter. A place where I've seen it in my personal experience is in the way that scientists review the work of fellow scientists. In fact, my personal experience has made me very skeptical of anonymous peer review, even though that's seen by the public as something beyond reproach. I've seen first-hand how reviewers gravitate towards "safe" work that simply confirms what everyone already knows, at the expense of novel and unconventional work that could have been a lot more important. In my opinion, if Einstein had lived a century later, special relativity would never have been published in a mainstream journal.

And in getting my pain controlled for my pinched nerve, I get upset every time I think about it. (And I have an excellent health care situation.) Most people who have radiculopathy just have a simple case of a "slipped disk", which is something that responds well to fairly minimal treatment and will go away on its own. People in that situation show up at doctors' offices all the time, and doctors know what to do. Unfortunately for me, I have an atypical case, which has been definitively diagnosed by an MRI. I have a lot more than a slipped disk, such that two bones in my backbone are squeezed against one another, and severely pinching a nerve. We know that now, and I'm being cared for accordingly. But it took me about three months of me saying that I know what my body feels like and there's no way this is something simple, before I got that MRI and started getting the necessary level of care. I had to go through step after step of "conservative treatment" (that's exactly what they call it) that never did any good. But they had to check all the boxes, to show that they tried something simple, before they were willing to increase the level of care to what was needed. For a while, I was on Percocet, which contains oxycodone, and it was, finally, a blessing for me. (I don't need it anymore, for reasons I don't need to go into here.) One day, I needed my prescription refilled towards the end of the week. My doctor got it taken care of on a Friday. I checked with the pharmacy on Saturday, and they told me they were out of stock and wouldn't get more in until Monday. I was going to run out on Sunday morning. So they told me of another branch of the same pharmacy chain, several blocks away, that could fill it for me right away. But to move the prescription there, I had to get an OK from my doctor's office. So I called the after hours phone number there. The secretarial person who answered the phone yelled at me that I was a drug addict, and I would just have to wait until Monday. I was horrified, and in a panic, because I knew that would mean awful pain for me. Fortunately, a nurse practitioner called me back, apologized for what the other person had said, and got it straightened out. Thanks a lot, Nixon and Reagan. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:06, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

I talked above about the conservatism of peer reviewers. Well, here is today's wonderful announcement of the Nobel Prize in Medicine, for work that made mRNA vaccines like those for Covid-19 possible: [4]. And to quote: "These obstacles did not discourage the Hungarian biochemist Katalin Karikó, who was devoted to developing methods to use mRNA for therapy. During the early 1990s, when she was an assistant professor at the University of Pennsylvania, she remained true to her vision of realizing mRNA as a therapeutic despite encountering difficulties in convincing research funders of the significance of her project." What a perfect example of what I was talking about. (We shouldn't fund this. It's too risky, too far "out there". Even though it will win a Nobel Prize and save millions of human lives.) --Tryptofish (talk) 18:29, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tryptofish: Thanks for reply. Just want to reply to a few points: I've seen first-hand how reviewers gravitate towards "safe" work that simply confirms what everyone already knows, at the expense of novel and unconventional work that could have been a lot more important This is true across the board in all fields. Reddit has been highlighting this in the field of athletics for the last month (likely due to the attention to it given by Boing Boing). So far, they've shown two examples of this, but there's three banned track and field techniques on the BB page: spinning javelin, somersault long jump, and cartwheel shot put.[5] I think you might find the videos linked on that page instructive as an analogy to what you discovered in peer review. In this example, track and field athletes discovered three new techniques for achieving their goals using basic physics and the forward momentum of the human body, but the techniques were quickly banned by the governing athletic federations for being too risky. But really, is a somersault and a cartwheel "risky"? I don't think so, but others might disagree.

I'm really sorry to hear about how badly you were treated by the after hours secretary. I don't think someone like that should hold a forward facing job dealing with clients and I would encourage you to file an official complaint and take it up with management. They need to have a caring, empathetic, and compassionate person in that role instead. However, I have personally uncovered the same problem with emergency dispatchers in the US. You may not know this, but there is a phenomenon in communities across the US where they do not call emergency police numbers to report crimes because the dispatchers are rude, inconsiderate, and horrible to the people reporting the crime. This has also been documented in many audio and video clips online, but the media has all but ignored the problem. What often happens is that the dispatchers will berate the people calling in a crime, and accuse them of wasting their time. In other instances, the dispatchers will turn the tables on them and accuse them of being the criminals. I recently saw a video where someone found a gun in a park and called it in. The dispatchers sent the cops in who then treated the people who found the gun as potential criminals. There's something seriously wrong in America with people who are supposed to be protecting and serving us, as they seem to do neither.

The problem I describe above is also a complete failure to use actionable open-source intelligence (OSINT) provided by citizens via the dispatch lines, information that could be used to improve the health and safety of our communities. Instead of disregarding the public, law enforcement should be embracing them. I'm not the only one who has noticed that law enforcement no longer prevents crime at a proactive level, but rather responds to it in a reactionary way. This has become such a known problem in cities like San Francisco, that there has been a major effort to change the way policing confronts burglaries in progress. It's a sad irony that a region with access to the best technology in the world can't seem to use that same tech to confront something as basic as a car break-in and theft, crimes which clearly occur in the same place and show consistent patterns on incident and location heatmaps. An above-average high school student could fix this problem in a matter of days, but an entire city of techocrats and so-called innovators can't do anything? Something is wrong with this picture.

Oh, and as for Katalin Karikó, back in July, I requested help fixing and expanding the material you raised.[6] Coincidentally, just today, others have chimed in asking for help. Maybe you could make suggestions on that page? Anyway, I hope you are on the mend and are enjoying yourself. Viriditas (talk) 21:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

I'll just give a quick reply. For me personally, a somersault and a cartwheel are definitely risky these days, lol. As it happens, I attempted to put in positive feedback about the nurse practitioner who helped me (as opposed to a complaint about the medical secretary), but I gave up after the company website "lost my work". I'll put the pages of both Nobelists on my watchlist. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:21, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Just remembered: I'd be remiss not to add this. In the realm of institutions where there is a small-c conservative resistance to new ideas, one cannot overlook Wikipedia. Any time someone wants to propose some new idea for a policy, there is a reflexive opposition, often citing WP:CREEP. Of course, sometimes this is for good reasons. Some ideas (including some of my own) turn out to be flawed. But there's also an attitude that, if it worked a decade or more ago, then we shouldn't change "Wikipedia's culture", and that leaves this project vulnerable to failing to keep up with changing times. For reasons I don't understand, there is a particular hostility that emerges whenever anyone proposes to make the blocking or banning policies more humane. It's a hostility that I parodied in the userspace essay WP:LAZYLAZY some years ago, and it continues to baffle me. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:06, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tryptofish: you're preaching to the choir. I've thought about this problem for decades. I've come to believe that it comes down to a certain personality type. They usually end up working for the IRS or become accountants or bureaucrats. It's all too predictable and mundane. Viriditas (talk) 19:11, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Or maybe they just end up as internet trolls. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:00, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tryptofish: I hope you don't mind, but I fixed the broken smiley for you in your last reply. Regarding the personality type you described, the one that has condemned the main page of Wikipedia to look forever like the mid-2000s, while the arrow of time pushes us forward into the unknown and treacherous [nether regions] of 2024, those personality types, I'm convinced, are uncomfortable with uncertainty, which is at the heart of this issue. I also think, and I'm sure this will sound strange for you to read (and even stranger for me to type out), that people genuinely perceive the world in different ways. While you might think that is just a stupid truism, there is something very deep and troubling to this simple, almost childlike statement. Just to give you one example: when I am active in the world, outside or in a social situation, I can glean, collect, and interpret a lot of sense information in ways that most other people cannot. This means, when I'm walking down the street, I am taking in the world in a way that is very different from others. My point is that we cannot expect everyone to be on the same page when it comes to basic reality. We are not, we really, really are not. But, you might consider looking at this a different way and approaching it from another angle because I don't think older people are going to change the way they think (for the most part, anyone over 40--I raised it by ten years based on Jack Weinberg's famous quote and the more recent social neoteny that has pushed adulthood into later years). What people really want as individuals isn't always a best match for the group (think of the car Homer designed in "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?"). And deciding the direction of Wikipedia by consensus has always had serious drawbacks (as does any democracy). The problem you've described ("reflexive opposition [to new ideas] often citing WP:CREEP") is one of many, namely, as projects and institutions mature, there is a measurable loss of agility; they are unable to adjust or change to match recent developments in the market, industry, or to respond to new styles and tastes. The list of companies that has failed to change in this regard is long and well known. I won't bore you with any more of my nonsense, other than to offer you a proposed solution for what you are looking for here. To address this reflexive opposition to new ideas, you want to create something like the Wikimedia Incubator, but for use on Wikipedia. There should be a way to propose and test new ideas without opposition. I would encourage you to pursue it. Viriditas (talk) 21:25, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

My smiley was broken? Your fixing it might be the first step in fully integrating dentistry back into... (per your comment back at my talk). (By the way, I'm watching here, have been for a long time, so no need to ping me, but no problem, either.) I fully agree that different people have different sensory experiences of the world. (There's a whole lot of philosophy and a whole lot of biological psychology that affirm this.) As for Wikipedia, and its resemblance to, say, VHS on a VCR, just go to my user page and scroll way, way down, below the Ukrainian flag. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:36, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

[Wikipedia] was a terrible idea on its face, and yet has worked absolutely brilliantly, and vastly better than the alternatives I think I might differ with you on this for several reasons. I can see how you might think it was a terrible idea as an academic, but it was around 1999, which was the fin de siècle, and the spirit of the times was that of Web 1.0, and the most active internet users were content creators in their own way (which is contrary to the accepted history on this subject). The difference between then and now, is that this content creation was not being monetized (as difficult as that is for people to believe). 2001 was the tail end of a dying philosophy based on the notion that information wants to be free, an idea that Web 2.0, paywalls, and all the other malarkey put to rest and killed. Nupedia and Wikipedia came around during a transitional time when companies were just getting ready to transform the internet into the wasteland we see today, very similar to how the cable companies took over television and destroyed it. And this is what corporate America is so great at doing. It takes great ideas, throws them into a meat grinder, and feeds us the slop. Wikipedia was able to preserve a lot of the ideas and philosophy behind the original web and preserve it from privatized adulteration. The great irony is that it arose from a confluence of two vastly different philosophies deeply engaged in its construction: right-libertarian conservativism and left-wing progressivism. If Alan Watts were alive, he would say "Of course, it could never be any other way." Viriditas (talk) 22:07, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

October music

October songs

my story today

My story today is sad but great. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing, Gerda. Sometimes I think the only reason I logon to Wikipedia is to see your messages and read your stories. You should be paid for your services. I'm very sorry to hear of the passing of Mr. Wisser. 81 years of age doesn't seem like enough time, but he certainly lived a full life. I wonder if I have heard the 2002 recording of Carmina Burana at Eberbach Abbey. It's possible that I might even own it; I'm too lazy to look through my old CD collection. On another note, it's amazing how much "O Fortuna" (and "Sympathy for the Devil") make an appearance in films. Something interesting: the two popular composers who have made neo-classical musical fresh for a new generation are both German: Hans Zimmer and Ramin Djawadi. What do you make of that? Is Germany keeping the torch of classical musical alive? Obviously, Americans like John Williams have done a lot in this regard, but Zimmer and Djawadi are more modern and accessible in their approach to scores. Zimmer's soundtrack for Interstellar (2014) is one of the greatest film scores of all time, and Djawadi's work on Game of Thrones and Westworld is essential to the narrative, and allows the shows to excel like no other. Viriditas (talk) 22:21, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Blushing a bit. - He certainly lived a full life, and I profit from it every festival season, and he was personal and friendly, and efficient at the same time, with every members meeting that he presided. I wonder if it was his idea that not all members are eligible to come and vote. I don't know if the festival's recordings even went on sale, or were just gifts for sponsors. - Thank you for the neo-classical music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:52, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

A few more pics, and see my talk for what we sang today (I'm the woman in red), and what Tabea Zimmermann played (today's story on her birthday): I heard it, and it's on YouTube. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

More pics, and today's story is on a birthday, and the real DYK was already on that birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music keeps track of "my" music and memories, and just today I have a juxtaposition of music performed by the two church choirs in town, one I sang in and one where I listened, to music about love, evening and night. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:38, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Towards the end of the month, I thought of Brian Bouldton, and his ways to compromise, - with musings about peace there, - feel free to join. Hevenu shalom aleichem. Today is Reformation Day, and I believe that reformation is a work in progress. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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Donald Trump's disclosures of classified information

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Commentary on editors' motivations

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Invitation to Cornell study on Wikipedia discussions

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DYK for John Hunter Thomas

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November songs

story · music

Thank you for a cute one! - Hevenu shalom aleichem is my story today. (and never signed)

I proudly remember having sung in an oratorio premiere seven years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Now vacation pics, with the deepest blue of the sea the third day ;) - we celebrate the birthday of a friend who wrote quite a book about the compositions of a man who will turn 300 soon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Today: in memoriam Jerome Kohl who said (In Freundschaft): "and I hope that they have met again in the beyond and are making joyous music together" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:29, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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Pillar Point Bluff

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Sea otters: Regarding sea otters, you may have confused Pillar Point with Pigeon Point, which is approximately 25 miles south of Pillar Point. It is true that a sea otter was spotted north of that area, near Tunitas Creek Beach, in late 2022, but that's the only official report north of Pigeon Point in the last eight years. As you are likely aware, the sea otters were hunted close to extinction in the SFBA up until the early 20th century. There might be historic reports of sea otters off of Pillar Point in the literature, but their range is far south of that area today. There is major chatter about the FWS starting a reintroduction program which could conceivably bring them back to Pillar Point in the future. Viriditas (talk) 20:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Two Years Before the Mast: Thanks for the tip about Dana's book. I just spent five minutes looking through it but didn't see anything about the shore whaling at Pillar Point or anything else. The timeline seems right, so I wonder if the shore whaling station at Pillar Point was simply too small to be of any interest. I will continue to look. However, it does occur to me that considering that the book was actually written sometime between 1834-1836, it may be the case that this was far too early. My understanding is that the shore whaling station at Pillar Point didn't become prominent until 1850, but I'm going from memory, so that could be wrong. Viriditas (talk) 20:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Note, I did find something interesting that is somewhat related. In 2014, a draft comment to the GGNRA general management plan recommended performing an archaeological investigation into the historical whaling station at Pillar Point. I don't think this has ever been done. Viriditas (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you again for the above - really interesting. Please forgive my ignorance about Californian history and geog. In the 70s I saw a wildlife film about sea otters at Monterey. they were living on abalones. When my in-laws visited Monterey in the same decade, I asked them to bring back an abalone shell, not realising that there were issues around that request. They brought one back, and I still have it. But Monterey is probably not in the area covered by the article.

Regarding Dana's book, which I read in the 70s (so my memory will be inexact), the crew were using San Diego as a base, but would sail up "to windward" as they called what is now San Francisco Bay. From there Dana would travel on horseback eastward, to purchase buffalo hides, the intended cargo for his ship (terrible issues around that to be understood today, of course). I think it may have been San Francisco Bay where he saw the try-pots being operated all around the shore.

But it does show that there was a great deal of whaling going on from that coast at that time, so there may have been try-pots all down that coast. So please excuse my half-forgotten info, gathered so long ago. But you may find something useful in it for other articles about the Californian coast. And it was a fine book which (as I understand it) contains useful evidence of the era; it is not fiction.

There is a scene in it which may amuse you. At one point, there is no wind to speak of, and the ship has all its extra spars fixed up, and the studding sails are in use - so the ship is out at sea in full sail. That is something you don't see near the shore. He describes the view from below, and from just in front of the bows. Tall ship crews will realise that to see the rigging from that point of view, he must have been in the heads - the net rigged below the bowsprit, used at that time by sailors doing their business, because you can't poop over the side on a rolling ship. The described scene is uplifting and beautiful, and the realisation is a giggle. Storye book (talk) 10:40, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Question re merge proposal

Hi @Viriditas - I'd like to seek your input regarding this merge proposal - Talk:Bureau of International Information Programs#Merge proposal - no other editor has responded to my post from a month ago and I'm wondering what you'd recommend to be the next steps to take. Thanks. W9793 (talk) 19:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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December music

December songs

story · music

Today's story is about Maria Callas, on her centenary. - Aaron Copland died OTD, and Jerome Kohl (mentioned in November) said something wise on Copland's talk. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Today, to Paris (29 Nov) with a visit to the Palais Garnier, - to match the story of Medea Amiranashvili, - don't miss listening to her expressive voice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know she died. Thanks for telling me. Viriditas (talk) 20:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the status of my article for DYK

Recently my article for DYK (Murder of Jiang Ge) was taken down from DYK after it had some issues regarding the hook not being explicitly mentioned in the article and one of its source being in external links rather than integrated with the article. However, I managed to ensure the hook is explicitly mentioned in the article and the source being integrated as citation next to the sentence of the hook. Could you confirm the status of my article's DYK and if it would be all clear to appear in DYK within the coming days. Toadboy123 (talk) 04:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Pillar Point Bluff

On 15 December 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pillar Point Bluff, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the San Gregorio Fault comes ashore in only two places in northern California, one of which is between Pillar Point Bluff and Moss Beach? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pillar Point Bluff. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Pillar Point Bluff), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

A WP:DYK holiday award for you?

		The DYK holiday award goes to?
		Thank you for allowing me to work with you in this section of the project. I want to wish you happy holidays! Lightburst (talk) 18:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Merry Christmas, Viriditas! Wishing you Season's Greetings and a Happy Winter Solstice! As the year comes to a close, I want to express my appreciation for your dedicated efforts on Wikipedia and extend heartfelt thanks for your assistance throughout the years. May the holiday season bring you and your loved ones abundant joy, good health, and prosperity.

RV (talk) 10:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sky Above Clouds

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Your GA nomination of Lise with a Parasol

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Precious anniversary

Precious

One year!

Happy New Year! - What a lovely start, with a GA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Happy New Year to you as well. The ultrawide camera on your Moto G200 is impressive, as I was pleasantly surprised to see the image of File:Abel Fest Köthen.jpg on the top of this page. The only thing we have remotely resembling it here is ʻIolani Palace, and that's a tortured comparison. I hope to see more photos from you in the future. Viriditas (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! - I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. - I'm on vacation - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sky Above Clouds

The article Sky Above Clouds you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Sky Above Clouds and Talk:Sky Above Clouds/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Unexpectedlydian -- Unexpectedlydian (talk) 20:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Olga Hartman

On 5 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Olga Hartman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that although Olga Hartman believed that her basic research on marine worms had no practical value, it was applied to experimental studies of oysters? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Olga Hartman. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Olga Hartman), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Children of Men

I saw that you contributed a lot to Children of Men. I think the article needs some tidying up to get it to modern GA standards and I even see it going to FA. I'm doing some work on it and if you want to help out please do. Lankyant (talk) 22:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, but I abandoned that article a long time ago due to a certain disruptive user. Please consider it your own at this point and have at it. Viriditas (talk) 22:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas Luckily that user hasn't been seen for 14 years! But I understand. I think the article needs a full redoing from the ground up. I'll see how I get on. Lankyant (talk) 16:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

That user is and has been active on Wikipedia under another account name the whole time, and last posted a few days ago using that account. Things are not what they always seem to be. Viriditas (talk) 17:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

K2-18b

I've replied to your inquiry on my Talk page with the answer that although some of the information is duplicated, an interview with a NASA astrophysicist talking about K2-18b is worthy of a paragraph in WP. Besides, the interview also states about the finding that there isn't much water on K2-18b, which is interesting. Please delete the paragraph if needed. I should put in a sentence or two about how they've found few traces of water in to the article. Also, there is this rumour about a paper... :) Best Richard Nowell (talk) 10:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for S. F. Light

On 19 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article S. F. Light, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that S. F. Light (pictured) disliked using his full name? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/S. F. Light. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, S. F. Light), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 28,094 views (1,170.6 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of January 2024 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Nice article, interesting read! --Tryptofish (talk) 00:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I found it odd that there is almost nothing known about his early life, and his death by drowning is almost just as meager. The drowning was most unusual to me, as I used to swim in the lake he died in when I was a child; it was famous for calm waters. His true legacy was with his students who went on themselves to teach others. I wanted to be able to list the number of doctoral students his own students produced to show this continuity, but I never made it that far. It’s definitely a large number, somewhere between 200-300 I think. There’s also other connections with his students who ended up in other major institutions (and Ed Ricketts), so it’s possible more could be said. The reason I created the biography is because his name kept popping out in the strangest of places when I was writing about the Moss Beach area for Pillar Point Bluff. That led me to Olga Hartman and finally, Light. Viriditas (talk) 01:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sky Above Clouds

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A barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		Thank you for your patience during the GA review of Sky Above Clouds and for your many improvements throughout the process!

Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 15:05, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Sketches of the Life of the Great Priest

On 23 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sketches of the Life of the Great Priest, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Monet decorated his house at Giverny with Kuniyoshi's In the Snow at Tsukahara, Sado Island (pictured), one of about 231 Japanese prints in Monet's personal collection? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sketches of the Life of the Great Priest. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sketches of the Life of the Great Priest), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

This change disturbs me much. You changed

The Descent of the Star Ichi on the Thirteenth Night of the Ninth Month

to

The Star of Wisdom Descends on the Thirteenth Night of the Twelfth (九月十三夜依智星)

The problem is that "九月" seen in the text and in the image *means* "Ninth Month". Try Google Translate as a simple demonstration.

Why the change from "Ninth" to "Twelfth" ? Shenme (talk) 03:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. That title was changed to align with the image title used by the British Museum. Should it be changed back, and is the British Museum title in error? Viriditas (talk) 03:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Shenme: I have restored the older title per your request.[7] Viriditas (talk) 04:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

WuXi AppTec Request

Hi Viriditas, I found your name on WP: Science and was wondering if you would take a look at my edit request to update the WuXi AppTec article. Thank you very much AM WuXi (talk) 19:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Minneapolis discussion

Hey, we have a discussion on Minneapolis and I'm hoping you would participate. Thank you. Cleter (talk) 15:03, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Seditionists

I guess you don't like them, but please do not delete my comments like that, thanks. Selfstudier (talk) 19:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I never saw your comments nor did I intend to delete them, so please assume good faith. You must have responded just before my manual revert, which avoids edit conflicts. The user is promoting January 6 conspiracy theories and their query belongs on the RS noticeboard. Viriditas (talk) 20:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Sun in an Empty Room

On 1 February 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sun in an Empty Room, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Edward Hopper wondered what an empty room would look like with no one to see it? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sun in an Empty Room. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sun in an Empty Room), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Kusma (talk) 00:03, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 9,808 views (817.3 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of February 2024 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

My calendar story today - as you will know - is about Michael Herrmann celebrating his birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

How was your trip? Are you back now? Viriditas (talk) 22:54, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Great, - see places! - Yes, I'm back but images will trickle in. - Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Great photo! I'm listening to the music now. It's like having my own curated playlist and photo gallery! Viriditas (talk) 18:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Starting the day with music from Kelsey Lauritano. Doesn't get any better than that. Viriditas (talk) 19:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! - Listen to music from Ukraine if you like, - I heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I sang in yesterday's. - Rinaldo (opera) premiered OTD, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Bias in Authorship

Hello, I noticed you had been editing: Robert Willis (hacker) and wasn’t sure if you noticed what the article would look like if Marcus J. Carey was added. He is/was founder of Threatcare, and also authored some of the books Willis is in.

I’ve never worked on an article with this situation before, want to have a look? Twillisjr (talk) 14:34, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Sky Above Clouds

On 11 February 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sky Above Clouds, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Sky Above Clouds IV was inspired by a large, blank white wall? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sky Above Clouds. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sky Above Clouds), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Kusma (talk) 00:03, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	I am glad to have come across a diligent contributor like you. Thanks for being around. I learned a lot with you. Best regards, ─ Aafī (talk) 19:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Montrose Chemical company

Hi. I was reading about LA toxic ocean dumping, and have a suggestion for renaming the Montrose Chemical Corporation of California article:

Talk:Montrose_Chemical_Corporation_of_California#Rename_article_to_a_broader_name?

If you have any suggestions, it would be appreciated. Noleander (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Apologies

hey, Viriditas, I'd like to apologies for the situation with dyk review - I was tired and frustrated with issues IRL, and I was wrong in my comments there. I do appreciate your comments and copyedits, and I'm sorry that I appeared to be a grumpy ass. I'm not asking for forgiveness, but I hope you don't hold a grudge. Artem.G (talk) 20:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. What I wanted you to understand at the time, was that my only goal was to help you get your hook in the top slot with an image. Admittedly, adding my own hook and bowing out of the review wasn’t going to go over well, so your response was not exactly unexpected. I think we both could have done better. Thanks for reaching out. Viriditas (talk) 20:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pillar Point Bluff

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Your GA nomination of Pillar Point Bluff

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A bot to check DYK QPQ automatically

Hello. I'm sure you're very busy, but if you have the time, I'd love your quick thoughts here. Thanks in advance. Mokadoshi (talk) 23:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Olga Hartman

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Your GA nomination of Olga Hartman

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story · music · places

congratulations! - today in memory of the birthday of a friend who showed me art such as this, and of Vami --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Fascinating! Now you've got me interested in Oswald's creative process. How did he approach envisioning the historical likeness of Hildegard? Viriditas (talk) 23:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

You will have to ask him ;) - what I know is that there are two statues, one at Eibingen Abbey (that she founded) and the other at the Museum am Strom in Bingen, a museum with a large section dedicated to her. He said that this - as a crucifix at the Mainz Cathedral - was modeled after a real person, a dancer from Berlin, whose movements he had studied for sculptures of dancers. When I wrote the article about Steffi Scherzer I "knew" that it was her face, but this is pure original research ;) - the model for Jesus on the Cross with an upward gesture was a black man. Oswald made bozzetti of her sculpture. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Rossini's Petite messe solennelle was premiered on 14 March 1864, - when I listen to the desolate Agnus Dei I think of Vami. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I uploaded vacation pics (from back home), at least the first day, - and remember Aribert Reimann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Some days later, a calf in the mist and chocolate cake, and a story of collaboration --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I listen to Bach's St John Passion today, - 300 years after it was first performed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Two days later in time, Bach music for Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Early glassmaking in the United States

@Viriditas: Thank you for reviewing Early glassmaking in the United States. This is an old article that I felt did not do justice to the glass industry, so I make a significant "redo". I have also created 18th century glassmaking in the United States and am working on a 19th century version. As info, I will be away from my office all day Sunday, but back on Monday. Thanks again, TwoScars (talk) 16:02, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

• I will be out of the office on Monday (March 18) and probably Tuesday. TwoScars (talk) 21:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas and TwoScars: (and others) - FWIW - seems my old Wiki article about *Jan Bogdan,* possibly associated with glassblowers in Jamestown, Virginia in 1608 - see => http://web.archive.org/web/20141108214325/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Bogdan - (a Wiki article not entirely ok for Wikipedia due to the lack of better historical support?) - see => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Drbogdan/sandbox-JanBogdan - and - Wiki deletion discussion - see => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jan_Bogdan - may be of interest - and possibly relevant - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 22:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: Thank you for all your hard work on Early glassmaking in the United States. You obviously know much more about prose and writing than I ever will. As far as Bogdan goes, I noticed there was some controversy about him, and I do not recall him being mentioned in any sources such as the NPS. Even he was one of the Poles, none of the original glassworkers needed to be mentioned for the article—and it would not make the article better to list all of them. TwoScars (talk) 18:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Rock-Lobster eye optics

Regarding the Lobster-eye optics article that you authored. More recent advances have stepped up this instrument, which enables it to have its own moniker: Rock-Lobster eye optics. Perhaps we can collaborate on new article? Here is a primary source on that [8]. Let me know if you are interested. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 21:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

LOL. I'm a fish, not a crustacean, but I should point out that Viriditas tried to review the DYK nomination, but didn't start the article. But don't mind me, rock on! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Please cover up your proverbial otoliths with your fins for my next comment: @Steve Quinn: The real, outstanding question of our time is, why weren't The B-52s featured in Stranger Things? My guess is that it's a major oversight by the Duffer brothers, given that they weren't born until 1984. The point to keep in mind, is that although versions of the song were recorded in 1978 and 1979, it didn't become prominent until the 1980s. Our Wikipedia article also fails to mention this. Even stranger, why did the song go to number one in Canada in 1980, but couldn't even break the top 10 in the US? My guess is the length. 6:49 long on the album, 4:52 on the single, and 3:57 on the radio friendly version, which was still too long. This is the most important question of our time. The best minds of our generation are working around the clock on this. Viriditas (talk) 21:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I still don't have an answer, but I'm sure that the truth is out there. Maybe very far out there. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Well it seems all of the above is good fodder for background in the proposed article. And yes, one has to wonder how the B-52's did not wind up on Stranger Things - at least as a retrospective. Who says we can't have fun on Wikipedia? ---Steve Quinn (talk) 22:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

What is with that oppose on the RH BYU AN/I thread

Is it just me, or are you being petty? I don't see any substantive argument, just sour grapes about something totally unrelated. jps (talk) 03:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for E. Graham Howe

On 26 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article E. Graham Howe, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that E. Graham Howe "introduced Eastern philosophy to psychotherapy in England"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/E. Graham Howe. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, E. Graham Howe), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 12:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Intermission (Hopper)

On 28 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Intermission (Hopper), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Edward Hopper's 1963 painting Intermission can be viewed as a metaphor for the world as theater? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Intermission (Hopper). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Intermission (Hopper)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 7,819 views (651.6 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of March 2024 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Congrats on the viewership, too! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't have done it without you. Viriditas (talk) 20:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

High fives all around! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

General Motors EV1

Hello Viriditas, I decided to abandon the GAN Chevrolet Volt (first generation) article to begin working on the General Motors EV1. Wondering if you’d like to accept the GAN task (I realised you reviewed it nearly nine years ago, but deemed it a failure). Best,  750h+ | Talk  17:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that. Since I previously reviewed General Motors EV1 in June 2015, it's probably best to hand it off to another reviewer. You could also consider skipping GAN and go straight to FAC. However, given that the EV1 has the most controversy of any electric car to its name, I suspect this will not be as easy as you think. I think it's far easier to start an uncontroversial article from the ground up from a stub. But, I wish you good luck, and if you're persistent and put in the work, I'm sure you'll succeed. Viriditas (talk) 19:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the thought. I just thought about asking you considering your consideration for the Volt. Best,  750h+ | Talk  00:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

It does raise an interesting question, though: are reviewers allowed to review the same article, multiple times? Viriditas (talk) 00:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I don’t see why not. It doesn’t say that in the GAN instructions.  750h+ | Talk  00:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

There are many reasons why it's not a great idea, and as you are likely aware, not everything is spelled out in the policies and guidelines. In a perfect world, it might not be a problem, but one can envision all sorts of ways someone could take advantage of performing multiple reviews of the same article/hook/AfDs, etc. Viriditas (talk) 00:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I see.  750h+ | Talk  00:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation

Hi Viriditas :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: I will consider it. I have a few interesting stories to share, but I want to get the details right before I commit to responding. Viriditas (talk) 21:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

That's completely fine. Feel free to pitch in whenever you're ready. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:59, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

April music

story · music · places

I like to see Appalachian Spring on the Main page today (not by me, just interested and reviewed), and I also made it my story. How do you like the compromise in the composer's infobox? - How do you like the statue (look up places)? - I was undecided so show three versions ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Appalachian Spring is a fine article. My only complaint after reading it is that the lead somewhat downplays its influence on American culture (and on the people themselves). The body does go into this, so I felt like the lead should have mentioned this a bit more. Otherwise, it's fine. Your composer infobox looks good; it's difficult to tell the difference. Your places subpage has trouble loading for me so I have to click on the images manually. I see three images of statues, which are quite nice. I note that the artist made her visage very pretty. I don't know which image I prefer, they are all exceptional. It looks like the weather was quite good when you took it. Rhine valley spring? Viriditas (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The comment about the ballet lead should go to article talk. - The composer infobox is not by me, - see that article talk. - We talked about the same statue (and the artist's inspiration), in March, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, of course. I knew you were alluding to it. Are you enjoying spring? Viriditas (talk) 19:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I enjoy spring, - today temperatures were rather like summer even. More pics to come. However, the German Wikipedia told me that spring in the ballet title is supposed to mean "source" rather than a season. The question was already on the ballet talk, and I repeated it, but no answer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Hart Crane was referring to water, but Graham was referring to the season. "It is essentially the coming of a new life. It has to do with growing things. Spring is the loveliest and saddest time of year." There's a weird tradition in American art of taking a concept from outside of its original context and applying it to a new one. Not sure why that is. Viriditas (talk) 19:19, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I would like to use one of your statues of Hildy (I've loved that nick since His Girl Friday) on my page. Not sure which one, however. Viriditas (talk) 22:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

You could rotate ;) - I associate green with her, so love the sprouting rosebush - there were also daffodils on the ground left of her but when I had those I missed the face. I love the wild sky as a portrait of a free spirit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

As it happens, her Physica is on the Main page today, and Marian Anderson as my top story (by NBC, 1939), and below (on my talk) three people with raised arms (a player in the rock band with the "rock abbot, a large wooden sculpture of Jesus behind a church altar made by handicapped people, and the conductor of the Youth Symphony Orchestra of Ukraine), - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein

plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 21:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

relief: the last of six RD articles in one week is now on the Main page - yesterday I went to a great recital with many anti-war songs by Jewish composers whose music was banned by the Nazis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Nice photos. It occurs to me, we still don't have any discussion or mention of Hildy in the world egg article based on her vision from the Scivias. It would probably go in the "Modern representations" section. Viriditas (talk) 20:15, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

more photos ;) - the RD articles were followed by two birthdays in a row, and I prefer those (see my talk) - go ahead with the world egg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:50, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

today a sad task - memory of Andrew Davis - turned into entertainment (yt at the bottom of his article, actually both) -- the latest pictures capture extreme weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I am setting up a playlist to listen to his recorded works now. Sad news. Viriditas (talk) 21:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I just queued up Frederica von Stade – Mahler Songs. I won't be able to listen to it for another couple hours. I will let you know how it goes. Viriditas (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

for more listening: today you can look at the last three stories or "music" on my talk, and find the same topics, Youth Symphony Orchestra of Ukraine, Samuel Kummer and (pictured) one row of 8 double basses and another of 5 bassists ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 20:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

This one..?

Hi Viriditas, would you care to review the Aston Martin Rapide article for GAN? It's extremely short (sub 1700 words) so it shouldn't take too long. I plan to bring it to FAC, but the Aston Martin DB9 article is already there so thought I might as well do this one. Best,  750h+ | Talk  09:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for thinking of me. Unfortunately, I’m on break from GA reviews for at least another month. I’m working on at least four articles right now, two of which are offline, and it’s something that I’m constantly thinking about, even when I’m sleeping. I’ll check in with you when I return to GA review mode. Viriditas (talk) 09:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh okay. Thanks for the response nonetheless.  750h+ | Talk  09:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

May music

story · music · places

On the bicentenary of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and in my concerts (leading to the two at the church's article). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the reminder. I will play the 9th in his honor today. Viriditas (talk) 21:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The reminder was on the Main page, the image ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I saw it! But I am more motivated by your personalized reminder tailored for me on my talk page. Viriditas (talk) 21:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, - I like that! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: FYI, I did end up listening to Claudio Abbado and the Berliner Philharmoniker. The whole thing is slightly upsetting to me. In 200 years, we have not managed to surpass anything like this. Why not? Has time stopped? Where are all the new Beethovens? Viriditas (talk) 08:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't know where the new Bs are ;) - Today is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps watch a bit how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page today, together with an opera that reviewers deemed not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - listen and see. - Also on the Main page: a TFA by sadly missed Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

did you listen and see? - today's story has a pic of a woman holding her cat, a DYK of 5 years ago - the recent pics show 2 orange tip butterflies --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Just wonderful. Thank you for the joy you bring. Viriditas (talk) 19:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: What's the story with Philippine zu Guttenberg? She looks far too pretty to be a nun? Viriditas (talk) 19:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

No article even in German. This looks decent but I don't know if it would be enough for Wikipedia. The story with the soprano is that some doubt she is notable, and some that the sources are good enough. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I liked seeing Erschallet, ihr Lieder on the Main page today, 310 years after the first performance! We sang it in 2000. Today's program was easier but also spirited. I found a nice video of "I will sing with the spirit", with nature photography, - enjoy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thank you! I had been meaning to tell you that I recently listened to Songs of a Wayfarer (Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen) performed by Frederica von Stade from 1979. It's an impressive recording, as it sounds very modern and current. I noticed that I found the mezzo-soprano range somewhat more relaxing to listen to for some reason. I had never noticed this before. Viriditas (talk) 21:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! - Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (yt of another Mahler song, from different performance) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

29 May 1913: The Rite of Spring - today's story, actually something I saw at that place in a revival. - Why would you assume I get angry? (replied on DYKtalk) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk, and while I wasn't angry it made me sad that instead of the precise program of five composers, we had three, only the common-place ones, only Germans, so showing him narrow-minded instead of open. Please listen to his postlude improvisation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

last offer in May: photos of the river Rhine, and the adjacent Eltville rose garden, - high water and interesting weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Canon EOS R project importance ratings

Hello, @Viriditas.

I asked a question on the WikiProject Photography page but I'm wondering whether you're best placed to answer it.

In short: should the WikiProject Photography importance ratings for an article be cleared when it gains Good Article status, or was that a mistake? I'm also noticing that the page was never part of WikiProject Brands until the GA notice was applied, so that looks like it might have been a copy-paste error too.

If possible, let me know if the Canon EOS R article should set back to "Low" importance for WikiProject Photography, and if it should be removed from WikiProject Brands altogether. Bob (talk) 21:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

You ask an interesting question. There’s no right or wrong answer. Many projects have gotten rid of importance ratings altogether because they don’t seem to matter all that much. I would say the answer here is to to use your best judgment. Viriditas (talk) 21:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Taking a cue from numerous articles about similar cameras, I've set the importance level to "low" for both projects. Bob (talk) 18:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey, just wanted to say I greatly appreciated your comment here. It genuinely means a lot. Toa Nidhiki05 15:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Ebrahim Raisi

I've hatted a bunch to commentary there that does nothing to advance anybody's arguments and just generates anger. Please resist the urge to get into that kind of conversation, there were personal attacks in both directions. Acroterion (talk) 21:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

June music

story · music · places

Today's story is about the TFA, by sadly missed Vami_IV. In my support in 2018, I hoped to do justice to Schloss Köthen next - which I will begin today, finally, promised. Its Bachsaal was pictured to begin the year. For more related thoughts and music, look on my talk for 1 June. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. Fond memories of collaboration. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Today I wanted to write a happy song story, on a friend's birthday, but instead we have the word of thunder on top of it, which would have been better on 2 June, this year's first Sunday after Trinity. The new lilypond - thanks to DanCherek - is quite impressive. As my 2 Jun story said: Bach was fired up. - Today's Main page is rich in music, also Franz Liszt and a conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I like the photo of the roses. Did you take it during the golden hour? If so, was it after sunrise or before sunset? Viriditas (talk) 21:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I remembered after lunch, and the image description tells me 2:38pm. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Very nice. Any chance you can find any German-language sources to add to Barbara's Rhubarb Bar? I notice Rheinische Post has several articles, but they are behind a paywall. Also, see the discussion at the bottom of Tryptofish’s talk page. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 21:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

With Rheinische Post, I have the same problem. I have dear company and will edit only sporadically for the next few days. Perhaps take a look at the FAC for Schumann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Enjoy your time with friends and/or family. Viriditas (talk) 22:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The time was great, - pics to come! - Today is "the day" for James Joyce, also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Today is the day for Joyce? That's hilarious. Did you mean what I think you meant? Viriditas (talk) 20:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

How would I know what you think? - I read it on the Main page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Heh. Read the bio. June 16 is a very "funny" day. Viriditas (talk) 20:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, you tempt me! I very much want to review that article. You know me too well. But I will continue other things due to my GAR hiatus. If nobody takes it in a week, then I might. Viriditas (talk) 20:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for that! - Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. Updating her sufficiently for the Main page was all I got to yesterday, and there could still be more. - The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Please write a song in honor of Devos named "no one has to die". Would be fitting. Viriditas (talk) 03:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm just a singer not a songwriter. - The image in my DYK story is what I happened to see from my seat in a performance before the festival (with Anna Netrebko in the title role but sold out of course, and the other was possibly the icier Principessa anyway). I recommend the trailer video, with various scenes to the end of the music that Puccini was able to finish before he died in 1924. --19:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Gerda Arendt (talk)

back home, but too tired for more than pic update --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Humanities ref. desk

I'm not too interested in prolonging our discussion at any length, but you should understand that many feminists and lesbians may not have a strong preference when it comes to a choice between your right-wing donor circles who want to put women back into their old patriarchal roles versus transactivists who are just as misogynistic against women who dare to disagree with them or who dare to stand up for their own rights -- especially since the right-wing donors are remote shadowy figures, while the transactivists are nasty and vicious and in your face with their spiteful hatreds and fanatical determination to punish women by fair means or foul, and silence them (literally by shouting them down, or by more sinister methods). If I were half as conspiracy-minded as you, I might make something of the fact that gender ideology allows men to unleash unrestrained virulent hatred against any and all women who disagree in any way with gender ideology, and invoke all the traditional conventional misogynistic stereotypes against them combined with the latest up-to-date left-wing jargon insult buzzwords, harassing and intimidating and doxxing those women, and trying to destroy their careers and ruin their lives -- while feeling smugly virtuously progressively "woke" the whole time. In this respect, it's kind of Incel for left-wingers (both Men's Rights Activists or MRAs and transactivists or TRAs get extremely angry when mere women dare to stand in the way and try to be obstacles to people with penises doing whatever the hell they want,[9] -- the difference being that MRAs don't try to redefine and misappropriate the word "woman" itself). You can call gender ideology "progressive" all you want, but to those on the sharp edge of struggles over conflicting rights, the willingness of gender ideology adherents to throw women under the bus (in certain case, their positive eagerness to throw women under the bus) really does not feel too "progressive" to them. It's all a little bit similar to those who don't care too much about Arabs, but seize on middle east issues to unleash their hatred of Jews...
P.S. The recent "no queerphobia" thing demands absolute fealty to gender ideology. If enforced strictly, it would mean that truth is irrelevant, facts are irrelevant, evidence is irrelevant, reliable sources are irrelevant, NPOV is completely destroyed, and so on down the line, since the only important thing is conformity to gender ideology (presumably anyone who dares to disagree with Judith Butler would be banned!). AnonMoos (talk) 19:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I hope you feel better now. Viriditas (talk) 20:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

"Matriotism" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Matriotism has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 13 § Matriotism until a consensus is reached. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 21:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Highlighting Trump's racism

• Trump is the most racist president since Nixon.
• DOJ found Trump family business refused to rent or negotiate rentals "because of race and color"
• Role in Central Park Five case; insistence the accused were still guilty after being acquited
• Racist attacks on Judge Curiel's Mexican heritage
• Trump wants white European immigrants to come to the US, not black and brown immigrants.
• Trump's role in the Obama birth certificate conspiracy
• Trump's defense of "very fine" Neo-Nazis at Charlottesville
• Trump telling four US-born congresswomen to go back to their "country", even though 3 of them were born in the US. None of them were white.

Time to update the lead section for this convicted felon. Viriditas (talk) 00:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

You are a sad, sad individual who is living in a world of brainwashed lies. 68.132.71.22 (talk) 09:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Age and health concerns about Donald Trump: age 78; at risk for obesity, heart disease, high cholesterol, family history of dementia. Viriditas (talk) 09:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Gotta make Wikipedia grate again. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I mean, I wish I could be angry at the IP, but it's impossible at this point. The projection from them is fierce and overwhelming. Imagine putting your faith in a lifelong charlatan, con man, and grifter who represents a foreign nation. But, they are not alone. I was just coming back from a nice long walk when I ran into a neighbor down the street. He's the nicest guy you'll ever meet. But, unfortunately, he's an ultra MAGA, he believes COVID-19 was a fake "plandemic", and he lives in that world like the rest of the Trump supporters. You can't get through to them, and there's no reason to even try, because for them, facts don't exist, yet he holds down a full time job like most Trump supporters. Only thing I can say is that it's like we live in two different worlds. Rachel Maddow came to the same conclusion, coining the phrase "Earth 1" and "Earth 2" as a kind of recognition of the vast chasm between us. Viriditas (talk) 08:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library

Hi! Why are you not eligible for Wikipedia Library? – Doc Taxon • Talk • 23:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I got into an argument with the admin of Wikinews who I called a pathological liar. Probably not the smartest move, but that’s what happened. He then blocked me and years later he died from some illness, so he can’t unblock me. Site blocked users can’t have access to Wikipedia Library. Viriditas (talk) 00:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Do you regret your move? Are you sorry about it? Where exactly are you blocked? – Doc Taxon • Talk • 00:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Blocked and community banned here:[10]. Global account description of block and ban. I regret being uncivil and rude in my communication on the talk pages, however the discussion and rationale for the community ban (described as "Disruptive, combative nature with clear goal to cause as much trouble as possible) was based on a series of false statements made by others, particularly the unsubstantiated claim that I was socking (I wasn't, and there was zero evidence that I was) and that I was trying to "cause as much trouble as possible". However, it is entirely true that I was unnecessarily combative in my speech, and it is that fact that I regret, and is an ongoing problem that I still struggle with. Viriditas (talk) 01:12, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

What if we unblock you? What are you going to do then? – Doc Taxon • Talk • 01:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I will not be editing Wikinews, if that's what you mean, and frankly, I don't have any future plans to edit it at all. I can't imagine that would change. If I was unblocked, I would apply for Wikipedia Library, that's about it. And of course, I would continue to work on mitigating my verbal aggression here and elsewhere, which I've had some major, measurable success with, but also some minor, yet recent setbacks. Viriditas (talk) 01:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Is there anything I can do to help? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:06, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Waves from the bottom of the Kola Superdeep Borehole. They told me to stop digging! Viriditas (talk) 21:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

July music

story · music · places

The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) - I completely forgot about this DYK over the travels. Hope to get to M. soon. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. - A meeting of two women - the occasion of the cantata - is pictured in our local church. Today, I was busy with a tenor who died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021 which was about a woman ;) - It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. Proud to have had 2 women in green in June already ;) - Now turning to the bass who died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for approving Milashkina! I'd prefer recordings first then awards, but was reverted when I arranged it like that. It doesn't matter much. - Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in Il tabarro in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to Liberty) up to Calaf in Turandot in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean you were reverted on another article? I will restore it, since you say you prefer it. Not sure where to put the documentary, but I will leave it in personal life and you can move it where you like. Viriditas (talk) 21:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

(I don't remember on which article, understanding now how the question was meant. The answer doesn't relate to positioning of awards, but the list of compositions in a composer's infobox:) I was reverted on Robert Schumann, I added a list of compositions, and it was reverted on 17 May during many improvements to improve to FAC quality, - when I noticed it was already too long ago for WP:BRD. The place to discuss would be the FAC. One user tried already. I was uninvited. Brian's pioneering infobox had a list of compositions. It was removed not only for Schumann but also for Grainger and Vivaldi. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I was talking about Tamara Milashkina. Viriditas (talk) 22:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I got it, only it's the other that was on my mind when I wrote about Brian's pioneering approach. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Understood. I think the translation of the documentary film title might be wrong. I think it's supposed to be The Sorceress from the City of Kitezh, not The Wizard from the City of Keitezh. I'm still looking into this. Viriditas (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, they are deliberately alluding to The Wizard of Oz, so that would explain the confusion. Viriditas (talk) 22:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I found it. The Great Soviet Encyclopedia (1979) translates it as The Enchantress From the City of Kitezh. Viriditas (talk) 22:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I made some minor changes. Feel free to change it back if you like. Viriditas (talk) 21:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I just confirmed she played Montreal at Expo 67.[11] Viriditas (talk) 23:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! - Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, Martti Wallén, a bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I remember today Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for RD, Marina Kondratyeva. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Hahahah...you kill me, Gerda. You have the most wonderful sense of humor, for a German. Are you sure you are German? Viriditas (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure I'm German, and also that sometimes I'm funny without knowing it (which began at school, in German, when I said "lange Dürre", meaning a long drought, but the class laughed, understanding a tall thinny woman ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for inviting me to edit Marina Kondratyeva. That was very kind of you. The only thing I notice is missing section headings. I'm curious, do you think the lack of US sources is indicative of the huge cuts in our federal arts funding? I think Germany still funds the arts, do they not? BTW, I really enjoy watching those German expatriate videos in English that explain to outsiders what its like to live in Germany. It's both super educational and always funny in some way. Like what would happen to someone who just moved to Germany for work and ran the laundry late at night in their building? Or how asking personal questions doesn't go over well there, but in the US, you can learn everything about someone in about five minutes. Stuff like that. Viriditas (talk) 22:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, thought-provoking! A friend from the U.S., resident of Germany for a few years, always told his U.S. guests in restaurants that they should speak in a soft voice, leaving the conversation at the table instead of entertaining the whole room, - to no avail. - She's on the Main page now, and there's a talk video of her (at the bottom), also a new NYT review of which I can see only the header, - please add detail if you see more. There are several videos of her dancing, but I'm not sure enough of their licensing to put them in the article. I liked to add a Plisetskaya quote, - she was in Wiesbaden with her husband for a premiere of his opera, and in the Rheingau for him being the featured composer of the Rheingau Musik Festival which I saw. - My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Americans are way too loud in restaurants. I almost went deaf in Half Moon Bay recently at a restaurant. A table full of tech bros and sisters talking at the top of their voice. My ears are still ringing. Viriditas (talk) 09:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11, yesterday's was a great mezzo, and on Thursday we watched a sublime ballerina. If that's not enough my talk offers chamber music from two amazing concerts, - gentle music, to soothe your ears! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

... and today's story begins with Psalm 124, paraphrased in 1524, and put to five (!) chorale settings in one cantata by Bach in 1724, for this Sunday. Nominated for GA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Just a look at music (on my talk) shows remembrance of three people who died, and creating an article or improving one is all I can do. Three are on the Main page today, and three others planned ... - Could you imagine to do the GA review? One week until the day Wikipedia thinks is the anniversary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

... and then I come with Toteninsel ;) - I just did the second of the three planned. Same question about the GA - five days left until the day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Toteninsel: another look at music shows three women remembered there, - a sad record. The Main page also has a Mozart symphony I love, and my story is a 2016 hook. It was connected not only to Max Reger's death in 1916, remembered then, but also the death of a friend who - and we around him - knew he was dying when he listened to the concert which was his last time leaving home, and music from Reger's Requiem was played for his funeral three months later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Gerda, I neglected to thank you for surprising me the other day with such a wonderful hook and image of Isle of the Dead, way back from 2016. That image has always spoken deeply to me because it reminds me so much of Fannette Island in Lake Tahoe and Phantom Ship island in Crater Lake. Viriditas (talk) 21:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! The day is still today, but no: for me it's already 26 July. I'll switch only after sleep, - to another soprano. The island pic also inspired the Walkürenfelsen in the Bayreuth Jahrhundertring. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Gerda, I am sorry to draw your attention back to Isle of the Dead, but to what do you attribute its popularity in Germany (and Europe as a whole) in the late 19th century? Do you think it was just trendy, or is there something more to it? My own guess is that it had more to do with the technology of poster reproduction, and this just happened to be one popular poster that was available, so people tended to buy it. This is my take after reading about Toulouse-Lautrec and the history of lithography. It's funny that I'm discussing this again, because this is an issue I addressed many years ago in Cleopatra and Caesar (1871). See the section on "Influence" I wrote about the role of Goupil & Cie in popularizing the reproduction. I wonder, do you think Goupil & Cie were behind Isle of the Dead as well? Viriditas (talk) 10:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

That sounds like interesting research, but right I'm occupied by two RD articles (one Polish, one Romanian, for struggle with foreign sources ...), a third is postponed, and I am not where I want to be for the Cantata, - sorry for drawing your attention to that a third time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

The way you say "occupied" is so funny. My mind immediately went to US commercial airline lavatory. Viriditas (talk) 23:00, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Is "busy" better, or what? - Relief for you: That Bach cantata review is under way. (There's another open, if you like.) -- (forgot to sign)

Wikipedia:Main Page history/2024 July 30b will have a baritone, a violinist, a composer and a Bach cantata (yes the one mentioned just above), - almost too much, and the composer's article, Wolfgang Rihm, should be better, help wanted. - Plenty of music on my parents anniversary day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I know you said "relief" on purpose. I am no longer accepting your accidental comedy routine. :) Viriditas (talk) 22:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey I just wanted to thank you for this: it's so rare to see someone just choose to be super decent like this on the internet. (Also I will never not be astonished to find that there are people who have been doing good work on here for 20 years and who I've never interacted with!) --JBL (talk) 01:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Big Fish edit

Hello, I noticed you recently reverted many edits on the Big Fish page. Could you please explain your reasoning for the reverts? Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 02:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

You deleted large swaths of a Good Article and did not use the talk page to explain your edits. You’ve also been warned about doing this before on your talk page and you’ve been repeatedly given tips and tricks to improve your approach yet you removed all these warnings from your talk page and you haven’t followed best practices. How about using the talk page to explain your edits from an incrementalist approach, one section at a time? Viriditas (talk) 03:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I can certainly do that. Could you clarify something for me? Did I do something wrong by blanking my talk page? I was under the impression that it's acceptable to do that. I didn't blank the page to hide the conversations that have happened on it, I just like to have a clear page once conversations are over. Wafflewombat (talk) 03:08, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

You can probably do whatever you like with your talk pages, but archiving talk pages is just a bit more overt in terms of what you are doing or trying to do. One of the reasons I reverted is because it isn’t clear if you improved the page. If you think you did, briefly summarize your changes on the article talk page, giving people an idea (don’t write a novel) how your version improved on the previous one. Viriditas (talk) 03:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Before you sent this message, I posted my version of the lead for editors to review. I was going to do that for every section. Is that too much? Are you saying I should just make one post on the talk page? Thanks for engaging in dialogue about this. Wafflewombat (talk) 03:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I just took a look at the talk page. It isn’t at all clear why you think this is an improvement or why you are trying to rewrite the article. Again, other editors have brought this up with you on your talk page before about other articles. Looking at what you wrote in regards to the lead, I can’t figure out what you are trying to do. Can you briefly explain why you are compelled to rewrite a stable article that has already gone through the GA process? I think it’s one thing if you were trying to improve it for FAC, but I don’t see that occurring here. I guess what I’m saying is that I’m still very confused by your edits. Instead of copying your changes to the talk page, it might help to give a reason and then point to the diff in the page history where your changes still reside. So, for an example, how do your edits to the lead improve upon the previous version? Or to put it another way, why even make them? That’s where I’m confused. It isn’t at all clear what you are aiming for here. Viriditas (talk) 04:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I guess I'm confused too. If you look at my edit summaries, a lot of them are copyediting—grammar, syntax, etc. There were quite a few sentences or segments which could be condensed and communicate the same thing. There was a lot of trimming that I did to improve the quality of the writing. There were some long quotes which I turned into prose, since I'm under the impression that is encouraged by MOS:QUOTE. All in all, I'm being 100% honest with you when I say that I've taken the prior feedback on my talk page to heart. Before, I didn't pay attention to the number of edits I made on a given page per day. Now I do. I usually limit my edits to 3-4 per day so other editors don't get bombarded. If that's still too much, I can reduce it further. Since most of my editing on Big Fish was simply about improving the writing quality and eliminating mistakes, I didn't realize it needed to be posted on the talk page. I thought that by spacing the work out over 21 edits, that would be incremental enough. I apologize if I was wrong in that estimation. Wafflewombat (talk) 04:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Overall, I don’t see the improvements, but I’m willing to take a closer look in a few hours from now. Again, it’s not really clear what you are trying to do. Have you tried experimenting by writing your own article from scratch about a topic you enjoy? There’s a lot of topics to choose from, and I think this might be a better route for you to take. Viriditas (talk) 04:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate that you're willing to take a closer look. In terms of what I was trying to do, I didn't have any major agenda. I was just doing a thorough copyedit of the entire article, including fact-checking sources, adding missing information to citations, and streamlining the plot summary based on WP:STREAMLINE. Wafflewombat (talk) 05:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I’m not sure about any of that. Take a look at Good Article requirements. If you want to restore your edits to the plot section alone, I might agree to that. Viriditas (talk) 05:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: it occurs to me that you could really help Wikipedia by focusing on articles needing targeted maintenance, as it would make use of and harness your skills in a constructive manner. Check out Category:Wikipedia article cleanup. There’s a lot there for you to choose from and I doubt you will encounter any resistance or arguments as you will be following the instructions in place to fix specific problems. Please consider it. Viriditas (talk) 05:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Note, you can sort by topic as well, such as Category:Film articles needing attention. Viriditas (talk) 05:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you have a chance to take a closer look at some of my edits?

When you've come to a decision about the plot restoration, please let me know 🙂 Wafflewombat (talk) 06:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Won’t know for another few hours. Viriditas (talk) 06:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for the suggestion about doing article maintenance. I will consider it 🙂 Wafflewombat (talk) 06:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I took a look at your plot section. You honestly have me at a disadvantage as I'm not sure which version is better in that regard. Your version leaves stuff out, but I wonder if it is even necessary to include it. But, given that the plot section was within the acceptable range of MOS:PLOT, I am curious why you cut it down. Again, referring back to what I said up above, I'm still unclear as to what you are trying to do. It looks like you are on a mission to make articles shorter? That's the only thing I can figure out. If I'm wrong, let me know. Viriditas (talk) 09:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Do you mind if I ask for input on the plot section from the Film Wikiproject?

It's too bad we're not understanding each other (at least not yet. I think we can get there!). I didn't have a mission in mind when I started working on this page. Big Fish is one of my favorite movies, so I thought it would be enjoyable to read through the entire page and see if the page needed copyediting. In my view, there was quite a bit that needed doing. My understanding is that when sentences or paragraphs can be condensed, so they use fewer words to say the same thing, that is encouraged. During my time editing WP, I've always been under the impression that trimming is an important part of copyediting. Would you disagree? On my end, it would be helpful if you could point out specific edits in which the trimming of content damaged the section in question. Without examples, it's hard for me to address your concerns (and I am committed to addressing them in full). Wafflewombat (talk) 09:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I think we are making some progress, but I do have other things to do. You are welcome to take this to whatever project you want. Now that you've told me that Big Fish is one of your fave films, it makes a bit more sense. That's fine, but I'm not sure the page needs copyediting like you think it does. As I said, I'm pretty open to changes to the plot section, so whatever happens there, I really won't argue all that much about it. But as for the rest of the article, I'm not certain that condensing as you describe it is the best approach. I am still curious though, where did you get this idea that articles needed to be condensed? It just seems like an odd approach to me, and I've been in here for some time and can't recall seeing anyone ever edit like this before. Is there a policy or guideline you are using that justifies this approach or did you come to it on your own? Also, I hope you can appreciate the humorous irony of attempting to condense an article about a man who tells long, rambling stories. I think I would feel far more comfortable if you were attempting to turn this into a featured article. If you think you can do that, then by all means, have at it. But I'm not sure your "condensing" approach is going to even get us half way there. Let me know what you think. One way for you to really challenge me on this is to take it to a peer review and let them know you want to go for featured article status. That would show me that you were very serious about this, and I would feel much better about your edits. The takeaway here that I hope you are getting, is that "condensing" isn't necessarily going to improve the article. I'm guessing it can very well make it worse. Most importantly, it's going to take actual research, source collecting and reviewing, and doing some serious work to get this article to the next level. If you think you are up for that, let me know. After all, this is your favorite film. Viriditas (talk) 09:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't approach every article with the idea that it must be condensed. In fact, it's quite lovely when I find articles that need very little copyediting of any kind, because it's a testament to the work that others have put in. In fact, one of my favorite parts of editing is article expansion. It just so happens that at this point in time, I don't have the time or energy to do that, so I've just been doing copyediting instead. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to get an article to FA status.

Is your confusion about my editing stemming from the fact that I'm putting a lot of time and effort into a well-developed Good article that is not in dire need of any major changes? If that's the case, I would offer that any article can use improvement, even Good ones (and Big Fish hasn't been assessed for GA status in 15 years). Perhaps you find it strange that I would want to work with small margins of improvement—say, making a solid article 10% better instead of making a bad one 50% better?

It seems your main concern is that I condensed the article significantly. Are you able to see that I wasn't coming at it with an agenda of condensing, but merely found that multiple sections could use condensing, in my view? Since you haven't gone through all my edits in detail, isn't it possible that, in this case, edits that included condensing were warranted? I'm just confused how you are concluding there are problems with my edits if you haven't reviewed them all (that's my impression). Not trying to be rude here, just hoping for clarity.

How should we proceed from here, since you've got other things to attend to? In my view, all of my edits make sense, but it doesn't sound like you're able to go through edit-by-edit with me. If it would be helpful, I could write up a short rationale or summary of each of my edits, so that you could review those instead of the entire edit.

We could also seek a third party to weigh in generally about this situation.

I do appreciate the humor 😄 Wafflewombat (talk) 09:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, I already did go through your plot section and I don't see much of an improvement. I went through your lead and don't see any improvement. I'm frankly still confused that you are obsessed with condensing the article, because as I've repeatedly said, 1) the article doesn't need or require "condensing", and 2) there's no indication that condensing is an improvement. So, I'm really not convinced there is anything else needed to do here unless you can demonstrate on the talk page how your "condensing" was needed, how it was an improvement, or how the policies and guidelines support what you are doing. You say you don't have time to participate in the article improvement process, yet you appear to be bringing your "condensing" approach to already good articles, so your approach isn't working, IMO. Finally, if you aren't going to participate in the article improvement process, how do you know your "condensing" is an improvement in the first place? I hope you see the problem. There's nothing in the policies and guidelines that I can see that supports your approach and I find it very unusual. I think its best if you use it on 1) articles you start from a stub, as this would prevent you from "condensing" the work of other people and force you to "condense" your own writing. I suspect your articles will not go very far because Wikipedia doesn't improve articles by the process of "condensing", but rather the complete opposite, by expansion, and when articles are significantly expanded, they branch off into new articles. So to conclude, I think you are going about things entirely wrong, and I don't think there's anything left to discuss. I apologize if that upsets you, but I really do recommend that you stay away from Good Articles and focus on working through the article improvement process some other way. Once again, I'm sorry if this upsets you, but I think we've talked this thing to death and there's nothing more to say. Alternately, you could try writing your own new policy or guideline, perhaps call it WP:CONDENSEARTICLES, and see if the community agrees with it. There's also Wikipedia:Simple English Wikipedia, which in fact does use a condensed version of Wikipedia, so perhaps you are getting confused with that project? Viriditas (talk) 10:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Would you be open to me making edits that do not involve any condensing, such as the addition of sources? Wafflewombat (talk) 10:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm open to all edits which objectively improve any article. But the thing I don't understand is the disconnect between your preference for Big Fish, which you've said is one of your favorite articles, and the amount of time you are dedicating to it, yet your continued resistance to following the article improvement route. I would invite you yet again to go the peer review route and find out what needs to be done before doing it. What that does is it gives you milestones to achieve, and you can point people to them when they ask "how did you improve the article?" It's really that simple, and I hope you choose to do it. Viriditas (talk) 11:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know that after a few hours' sleep, I have a better understanding of your views about my editing. I will be changing how I edit based on your feedback. Wafflewombat (talk) 23:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Wait, what, is there a page about me? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Your offer

Is your offer still open about me discussing things on your talk page? I’m afraid I’ve annoyed some editors here too much with my recent messages. I just want to know if you are still alright? Pablothepenguin (talk) 16:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pablothepenguin: yes, that's fine. I'm curious, when it comes to options, can you get no sugar added and vegan option at the same time? Viriditas (talk) 19:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

This page implies they are opening stores in the UK. Viriditas (talk) 19:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328 says he doesn't want you to talk about, so my hands are tied. Here's what I would recommend: work on improving the Menchie's Frozen Yogurt page in a constructive manner. A lot can be done here, and it sounds like a fun project that I might be able to help with. You can then "talk" about improving the article on the talk page. Other than that, you should keep it cool, because I don't want to see you blocked. Viriditas (talk) 19:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I don’t believe I can be blocked for a friendly discussion between two consenting people. I wouldn’t expect that Cullen328 has any control over user talk pages. He’s probably more concerned about disrupting the reference desk and other such things. Pablothepenguin (talk) 20:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, we should include him in this discussion. User:Cullen328, what do you think? Viriditas (talk) 20:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Viriditas, I have no problem with you discussing the frozen yogurt business if you want to. I do have a problem with the protracted, repeated, unproductive discussions at the Reference Desk that go all the way back to February. In your first comment on this matter, Pablothepenguin, you said that you were obsessed with this franchise. I would not use that word if you didn't, but your obsession is not improving the encyclopedia and has wasted a lot of volunteer time. Cullen328 (talk) 22:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Very well, I acknowledge that such happened. I thank you very much for your insights here. I will think about what to say and say it carefully. I think Cullen328, you basically confirmed my suspicions that you were mostly concerned about disruption of the reference desk. As such, I will proceed with what I wanted to say to Viriditas. Pablothepenguin (talk) 22:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Pablothepenguin, I want to put in a good word for Cullen328. He's one of the best admins (and editors) we have on this site. Let's try to give him the respect he deserves. Viriditas (talk) 22:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Good thinking. Out of respect to him, I will avoid polluting the reference desk and other places. I will only ever use this page, and the pages in my own user and user talk namespaces from now on. Pablothepenguin (talk) 22:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I was just reading your previous posts on this subject. I had no idea you've been at this for seven years, four of which took place on Wikipedia reference desk! That's a long time. Let's think about something constructive you can do, because wasting seven years doing nothing isn't good. Viriditas (talk) 23:32, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Now you've got me super interested in how you got into this. I see that you cited a 2013 episode of Undercover Boss as the origin of your obsession. I will now watch it myself to see what all the fuss is about. If you never hear from me again, please light a candle in my memory. Viriditas (talk) 23:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Watching it now. Pablothepenguin, did you know that Menchie's CEO cites the film The Secret of My Success as an influence? Viriditas (talk) 23:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I don’t think I wasted my time. I’m trying to solve an injustice I feel in my area. The explanation is long, so I’ll post it tomorrow after some sleep. Pablothepenguin (talk) 00:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, I just started writing Menchie’s fan fiction below. If you’re a fan of Rick & Morty then you know they’ve written entire episodes around this idea. Viriditas (talk) 01:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

So this exercise got me thinking. Are there any known planets with the consistency of ice cream or frozen yogurt? Viriditas (talk) 01:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Eureka, all this creative brainstorming and fan fiction writing worked. I figured out how you can move forward on this. Viriditas (talk) 02:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

You’re a musician, right? Okay, it turns out that musicians have been writing music about Menchie’s. There’s a really cool video that you’ve probably seen, by a country artist I think? Well, why not compose music dedicated to Menchie’s, using it as a theme for each song? If it’s good enough, you’re going to get their attention. Think seriously about this. And go listen to the songs other musicians have written in honor of Menchie’s. I think that’s a good way forward. It’s not a petition, but as a cultural work of art that could conceivably reach a lot of people, it could go viral and it might even be featured by corporate. They would have to listen to you if that happened. And you could focus on creating your musical portfolio of compositions while you are at it. What do you think? Shall I prepare an article on the forthcoming Grammy-nominated album, Music for Menchie’s? Viriditas (talk) 02:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I’m thinking this could be a concept album. Viriditas (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Let’s think bigger! How about something like a rock opera? Think Wizard of Oz meets Wonka? A young Dorothy dreams of froyo on a hot day, but her small town doesn’t have it. Later, she sees a strange show at home about a colorful froyo store but in her excitement to watch, she falls off the couch and hits her head, knocking her out. She wakes up, seemingly in her town, but things seem different. There’s now two froyo shops where there weren’t any before, both in competition with each other. Viriditas (talk) 03:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I just learned that there is a Menchies in the town where one of my sons lives. I will check it out. Cullen328 (talk) 03:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

As promised, I will offer you a full explanation below for everything. It is fairly long, but I think it will be an interesting read.

It all started that day I watched Undercover Boss 7 years ago. Ever since then, I’ve had a significant craving for frozen yogurt. I didn’t act on it much for a few years, but by the time the recent pandemic started, I got bored out of my mind and started thinking about it in a way I hadn’t before and hence my current obsession began. I started to get very frustrated with the frozen dessert places near me which, in my corner of South-West Scotland, are all very generic Italian gelato places and so-called “soft serve” which almost only ever comes in basic vanilla flavour. I also am expected to ask a complete stranger of a worker to dispense my product for me, which is hard for me due to me being on the Autism Spectrum.

This obsession kept on going and still goes on in the present day. I continually am frustrated by it, as I feel I do deserve a self-serve frozen yogurt place to call my own. I also come to believe that Glasgow and Edinburgh are perfect places for such a business, and I start to do what I did on the reference desk. Unfortunately, other users are annoyed by this, so I start to worry about being blocked, and then I said all of this to you.

I hope this clarifies things, and I am happy to answer any questions you might have. Pablothepenguin (talk) 10:07, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I almost forgot to mention one more important point. I am also attracted to Menchie’s due to their mascot character. I’ve always adored mascots and I would like to have more businesses in my area that have those. Pablothepenguin (talk) 10:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I get it. I seem to have grown out of my obsessions for whatever reason, after the age of 30. No idea exactly how or why, but the intuitive feeling I have is that my brain rewired itself due to various reasons. I am curious, beyond music, are you actively engaged learning new things and acquiring new experiences? Something tells me that such things can contribute to mitigating obsessions through creating new pathways in the brain, but this is only my pet theory. Viriditas (talk) 11:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I think I have done certain cool things. It is hard for me to focus on too many things at once. I therefore am not really trying to learn much other than music stuff. I do have ambitions, of course. I also feel that I would prefer to keep this obsession, as it doesn’t prevent me from living a normal life. I also need things like this in my life in order to give it purpose and meaning, otherwise, why bother to get up in the morning? Pablothepenguin (talk) 12:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

You raise an interesting point. Where is the line between a passion and an obsession? I would say it can be difficult to tell. But if it makes you unhappy, then you should probably try to deal with it. And you don’t sound all that happy about the absence of Menchie’s in your area. Maybe something to think about for a few days? Viriditas (talk) 12:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I’ll certainly think about it. Pablothepenguin (talk) 13:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I took a few days off to try and relax. I think it helped me, and it is something I will do occasionally. If I’m going to see this obsession through to the end goal, I will need these breaks to help myself. I hope I’m on to something here. Pablothepenguin (talk) 12:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I can empathize. I went through a similar period where I was meditating every day, twice a day, for 20 minutes at a time. It really helped, but that kind of regimen can present an entirely different set of problems. Right now, in the present moment, my problem is more physiological than psychological, as my body is slowly breaking down for reasons unknown. I'm being overly dramatic, of course. The reasons are well known. Age-related decline, and one day closer to death. Apologies if that's a bit too macabre for you, but I've fully embraced it. They say the best way to face your fear of the unknown, of the inextricable march to the yawning grave, is to imagine that you have already died. There's a certain freedom in that idea, but you may be far too young to even entertain such a thing. Go outside and enjoy yourself. Live free, and live hard. Viriditas (talk) 12:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I will try my best to live a good life. I am still as always brainstorming ideas for my work. One way or another I will succeed. I am trying to think of more ways to get Menchies here in the UK. I don’t know if I told you before, but I’m based up near Glasgow in a nice area. I focus mainly on Glasgow and Edinburgh as far as cities are concerned. That’s just what is convenient to me. I will get my frozen yogurt eventually. Pablothepenguin (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I, for one, am definitely not too young to understand that, but I do hope you're reasonably OK. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Still raging... Interstellar ruined Dylan Thomas for me. Made me think Nolan had some kind of grudge against him? Viriditas (talk) 23:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I think the relaxing and having short breaks technique is working. I think it might fix me in the end. In other news, having just returned from a trip to London and Brighton, I realised how amazing England is. Along with Scotland, they manage to show the diversity and variety of people. I’ll probably move down there in a couple of years after I have graduated from college. I still don’t get the lack of frozen yogurt options in my nation. I can only hope that that will change soon. There is no doubt that the thousands of people I’ve seen over the last few days, in England, would generate enough customers for this. Scotland would also manage there. Overall logic will prevail and hopefully soon. Pablothepenguin (talk) 22:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Just to confirm that I’m still well. I hope to continue this trend for as long as I live. I do still wish to see a frozen yogurt business in my area. Such must happen eventually. Pablothepenguin (talk) 16:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Glad to hear that you are safe and doing well. Have you given any thought to my idea about writing frozen yogurt music? Viriditas (talk) 19:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Not yet, I’ve got higher priorities at the moment. For instance, I will be heading back to college to study music production. I am sure to deal with this eventually. Pablothepenguin (talk) 20:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Please keep me updated with status reports. Viriditas (talk) 20:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I’m glad to report that I start college tomorrow. If I get anything done that is relevant, then I’ll pass it your way. Do remember that I am still doing my campaigning at present. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Pablothepenguin (talk) 17:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Good luck with college and enjoy yourself. As for ideas, the Simpsons said it best: "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas." Viriditas (talk) 22:35, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Have details coming soon. Need help with plans. Will notify soon. Pablothepenguin (talk) 23:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

New discovery

Artist’s impression of Menchie’s 052007 FROYO

Ice cream scientists working in close collaboration with astronomers and geophysicists in the field of exoplanetary pseudobulbar affect announced today the discovery of Menchie’s 052007FROYO in the ice cream constellation of Bootes. The planet appears to have a frozen yogurt ocean surrounding a cone-like core. More details will be announced shortly. Viriditas (talk) 01:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Sounds fascinating Pablothepenguin (talk) 09:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

It’s delicious. Viriditas (talk) 11:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Brings a whole new meaning to ice planet. (But exercise moderation, or you might have to loosen your asteroid belt.) --Tryptofish (talk) 19:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Speaking of ice, have you heard about the latest fad diet on Earth? It's called the global warming diet. Antarctica is losing 150 billion metric tons of ice per year, and looking mighty thin. Oil companies love this one weird trick. Viriditas (talk) 22:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

This. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

How crazy is it that Wikipedia doesn't have an image of the bass line notation (from the original "Under Pressure") which is probably the most popular bass line in the history of late 20th century modern music? @Pablothepenguin:, do you know how to upload musical notation? Viriditas (talk) 23:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I just saw Help:Score. Viriditas (talk) 23:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Hi, I see you're a member of WP:Mythology, would you be interested in a sub project on WP:Anthropology on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 14:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Kowal2701. I think the way forward is to envision a different approach. Have you determined the percentage of active users on the project(s) you are contacting? I think what you should consider is to figure out what you want to do with oral tradition topics and then collect data about the articles and other material, and put together a call for participants in the Signpost. That way you will get heightened visibility and your goals will be clear. Viriditas (talk) 22:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

That might be a better idea, at the moment I’m just messaging editors who have contributed a lot to articles involving oral tradition, so far have 15/20 definites and 5 interested but busy. You can see the proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council#New proposals. I think it might be best for me to keep doing this over the weekend, then start the page and ping everyone to a discussion on scope and objectives. After we’ve outlined the project, then do a signpost? Kowal2701 (talk) 23:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm talking about using a Signpost article to recruit people for whatever it is you want to achieve. You can do it any way you want, but if you see deficiencies in coverage about oral tradition, and you can successfully communicate those problems in a brief article, you would get a lot more people interested than just the small pool of potential members you are dealing with right now. Also, if you take a data driven approach, you would generate far more interest in your goals. This would require you to collect data about what we already have, compare it to existing or comparable material, and identify strengths and weaknesses, finishing up by recommending next steps for improving coverage. By doing this, you are in effect creating an ad hoc roadmap with milestones, and that gives people something to go on. Viriditas (talk) 23:24, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

That sounds good, but I wouldn’t know where to start with that. I was just thinking the tasks could be clean up/improve existing articles (most articles involving oral traditions have tags), expand existing articles, and create articles. Objectives would be similar to the ones at WP:Military history with the progress bars. We could also standardise the format/method for articles on an oral tradition Kowal2701 (talk) 23:32, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

As for knowing where to start, the thing to always remember is that the data is already there, you just have to extract it from Wikipedia. Some people use bots to do this. I used to use AWB for this purpose, but that was a long time ago. You can even write queries in many different ways. If a progress report is what you want to extract, again, that information is already contained in the articles, you just have to extract it. Viriditas (talk) 23:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I’m not very tech literate, hopefully someone else can assist in this, unless it’s something you’d be interested in? Kowal2701 (talk) 23:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

I was just thinking the tasks could be clean up/improve existing articles (most articles involving oral traditions have tags), expand existing articles, and create articles. That's the data I'm referring to here. I used to use Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser to help with this, but there are other ways of doing it as long as everything is categorized. This is how the reports are generated. Viriditas (talk) 23:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Would we not first need to tag all oral tradition pages to the taskforce? Kowal2701 (talk) 00:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Now you're getting it. That's what AWB is used for. Viriditas (talk) 00:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh I assumed we had to tag articles by hand? Kowal2701 (talk) 08:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Nope. And why would you do that when AWB will tag all of them for you? Viriditas (talk) 08:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

So it just tags any article mentioning oral tradition with the WP parameter? Kowal2701 (talk) 08:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

It tags articles based on whatever rules you give it. One of the easiest ways is to tag by category, but there are others. It comes with a WikiProject plugin, which makes it simple to use. But you don’t have to do that if you don’t feel comfortable. You can also ask authorized users to do it for you or you can submit a bot request elsewhere. I would recommend doing it yourself because it allows you to get a different, hands on look at what you are dealing with, and when you do, you begin to see the issues and problems and whatever maintenance tasks you are interested in emerge from the set. It’s a great way to get a larger perspective on everything. And that view will inform your tasks, and you’ll have a greater handle and understanding of what needs to be done. Viriditas (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks that sounds great, I’ll do that Kowal2701 (talk) 08:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

It's also got a mode where if you don't want to learn any of the advanced features, you can just feed it a text file of article names you want tagged. It's that simple. Viriditas (talk) 08:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

August music

story · music · places

Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, watch and listen, - I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work - rare! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Fascinating. When I lived in SF, I used to take my guitars to George Peacock.[12] He died of brain cancer in late 2011.[13] I always visited at odd hours when nobody was in the store (after lunch), and this gave me the advantage of having him teach me about basic maintenance because he was open to people asking him questions. I believe he was the last luthier in the city when he died. Viriditas (talk) 23:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like luthier Richard Collopy died a few years before Peacock. I don't recall ever using his services. Viriditas (talk) 23:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: As it turns out, and I didn't actually know this, Peacock used to sing in the St. Philip's choir. I think this is their website, but I'm not sure. Given that he was exposed to wood dust for his entire life, from his childhood to his adulthood, I'm guessing that led to his brain cancer somehow as people like carpenters are highly susceptible to cancer if they don't wear a mask, and back then, nobody wore masks. It also makes me wonder if that was a somewhat minor contributing cause to the decline of luthiers, in addition to mechanization. Viriditas (talk) 10:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Interesting! - ... and a third, like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

today's story is about education, 10 years OTD after lecturing our founder). Music for today's feast is Monteverdi's, the best concert we ever did (so pictured again on my talk), but it wasn't recorded, substituted with a "Pacific" one that comes with subtitles line by line in Latin and English: I learned something! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

the best concert we ever did but it wasn’t recorded

Only a real musician would say that! Every musician has that story, it’s part of their personal lore. In 2024, it’s super easy to record all the time now, and it’s fairly inexpensive. Search for "portable recorder". Viriditas (talk) 21:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Another thing to consider is just buying a mic for your phone. Zoom makes the iQ7 Rotating Mid-Side Stereo Microphone for iOS. Then you just record using your preferred app. Viriditas (talk) 22:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think I expressed what I meant to say: we made a conscious decision then to not record but keep it in our hearts. - Sunday story about another of Bach's chorale cantatas, listen, as I listened to two impressive very different choral concerts, - music by 16 composers. In the latest cloudy pictures: a hidden deer, a cat and a blaze of a sunset. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: well, that changes things, doesn't it? Thanks for explaining. Viriditas (talk) 22:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

We decided to record our 4-choirs-project, last year, and the mezzo soloist was second soprano in the Monteverdi, her teacher being first. The last two concerts (Mozart Requiem and Bach cantatas) were also recorded but for strictly internal use. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm listening now. Viriditas (talk) 08:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

What a great recording. Is Lieselotte Fink related to Franz Fink? And why do so few people in the choir use tablets? Do most feel more comfortable with the paper sheet music/parts/score in case the battery dies? The bandoneon sounds very nice. I just forwarded this video along to someone who is an aficionado of the instrument. Viriditas (talk) 09:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Another thing that is remarkable about the video is how different the stage looks from each angle. I wonder if the semicircle choir space heightens this illusion. Viriditas (talk) 09:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Lieselotte is the youngest of the five children of Franz and Maria Fink, and was a baby on her mothers lap in rehearsals when I joined the choir in 1987. Maria is my friend, she is standing next to me in the choir, - it was her first performance in the alto section, having switched from second soprano. - We never thought about tablets. People using tablets are perhaps from Belgium. The stage is the choir of the church, with semicircle stone benches part of the architecture, and glorious acoustics wherever you sit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Help? My story today is about a woman, nominated for RD but needing support as I write this. A composer died whose article is long and mostly unreferenced. And some articles open for review, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

August 2024

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Project 2025. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Skyerise (talk) 13:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

TESCREAL and User:Jruderman

Thank you for summarizing my weird views to contextualize my comments in the recently-concluded TESCREAL deletion discussion. You can read more about my goals for Wikipedia in a new section of my userpage and in the linked Twitter thread.

— Jruderman (talk) 16:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jruderman: That's helpful and informative. Am I wrong in assuming that you have a unique sense of humor? As for tescrealism, I would like to get your perspective on where we stand. Viriditas (talk) 20:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I’ll take that as a compliment :)

I’d say the TESCREAL page has been a coatrack attack page masquerading as a definition of a neologism, but that the neologism may have enough legs and enough acceptance in multiple circles to soon allow an okay (if short) article at the title.

Still, I’d TNT the page and start over. Jruderman (talk) 23:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I understand, and I’m sympathetic, but perhaps for different reasons. My operating principle is "let’s get this right", and towards that end, I would like to create a proposed outline moving forward. Could you help me work on this here, in this section? For example, what do you see as major omissions, if any, and what do you propose adding or removing at first glance? No need to get too detailed at this point, but if you could focus on one thing at a time, that would be helpful. Viriditas (talk) 00:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

There should be a neutral glossary-type section listing the seven ideologies, and a section explaining what they have in common and where they differ.

I’m working on this now. I don’t see it as a glossary, but rather a way to explain how all the interlocking parts work. One thing I would like to see is a graphic in the shape of a pyramid, similar to the kind of hierarchy of disagreement graphic we all know and love. Transhumanism would be on the bottom with longtermism and possibly e/acc together at the top. Viriditas (talk) 04:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

There should be at most one paragraph mentioning eugenics, supported by multiple types of primary sources (something from Torres and something from new-eugenics supporters) (in addition to secondary sources).

Secondary sources should come first. Perhaps you mean there should be secondary sources with primary attached for further reference. I tend to do that to provide background info. Also, primary by the own authors about their theory are important. Viriditas (talk) 04:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

There should be only one small section about what Torres and Gebru think. They can have more space on the Wikipedia articles about them as individuals. Jruderman (talk) 01:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I would disagree with that suggestion. I’m more curious why we should not be explaining their theory in depth in an article about tescrealism. This does not belong in their bios. Viriditas (talk) 04:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

If we're arguing that the term is notable enough on its own (i.e. separately from the opinions of Gebru and Torres) to have an article, then their opinions probably shouldn't dominate the article. Maybe this is too WP:CRYSTALBALL of me. I'm happy to drop this because I think things will be clearer a year from now. Jruderman (talk) 17:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining your position a bit more. Is this something you came to on your own accord, or did you get the idea elsewhere? I only bring this up because it differs so much from my own understanding and experience. When we write articles about a concept, very often we will include a discussion of the authors of the idea, explaining their reasoning, thought process, and very often even their development. To give you an example: Torres' background as an evangelical Christian is relevant here. As they themselves acknowledge, this familiarity with eschatological thinking allowed them to identify and perhaps even to sidle up to transhumanism, replacing one religion with another. I’ve raised the point many times before, and it upsets people in the tescreal community to no end, many of whom identify as atheists. But to those of us on the outside looking in, it is indeed, in our opinion, another kind of religion. This becomes more and more evident as we move up the bundle pyramid. So discussion of not just the opinions of the authors here but also their life experience has a direct bearing on how they came to write about this topic and is relevant to increasing our understanding of it. When we discuss Ray Kurzweil in the context of singularitarianism, we are discussing religion in its most original form. Kurzweil has spoken openly about how he is motivated to reunite with his dead father and is himself afraid of death. If you ask anyone why they are religious, they will cite these two exact reasons, the longing to reunite with their dead family members and their fear of dying. Torres and others have talked about this. I myself have been talking about this for many years. We are not dealing with anything new here, we are talking about the oldest problems in human existence. Viriditas (talk) 19:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

This is my own legalistic reasoning, shaped by interactions with @Grayfell: and reading Wikipedia essays such as Maproom's WP:BACKWARDS. Jruderman (talk) 03:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I think I understand now. Please read law of the instrument and let me know what you think. Viriditas (talk) 04:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to think because I'm not sure what you mean. Law of the instrument is a good cognitive bias to be aware of, but that's true of most of them. Do you think I've overused legalistic reasoning or overused links to WP:BACKWARDS? Jruderman (talk) 04:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Read the bottom part about computer programming. No need to reply just yet. Let it sink in for a few days. I often have to do that for many ideas. It takes time. Viriditas (talk) 04:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I consider "let it sink in" to be an inadvertently unkind move when deployed against an autistic editor who is currently experiencing a bit of mania complete with racing thoughts.

So, instead of following your advice, I'm going to point you at a weird Twitter sub-thread, take my new meds, and sleep for a few hours.

See you tomorrow – I think you'll like the WikiProject I'm cooking up. It's about making Wikipedia articles as truthful as possible, including making sure we aren't inflicting cognitive biases on readers. I believe that not misleading readers is as important, if not more, than making sure each statement in an article is truthful and verifiable.

I've had some success at this lately in the YIMBY and Eugenics articles. I'm hoping to get many more editors doing the similar things on articles that touch on controversies or CTOPs.

I'll have more to share about the greener pastures new WikiProject tomorrow.

I'll come back and re-read Law of the instrument in a few weeks when I'm more... emotionally centered. Jruderman (talk) 06:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

"Let it sink in" in this context means "sleep on it". It was not meant to be unkind in any way, and I think I made that clear when I bracketed it with my own experience, explaining that I often need to let things sink in overnight to truly compensate for the natural resistance to different ways of seeing the world that we all share. This is why it is recommended not to immediately reply to comments that involve some kind of dispute, but rather to let them sink in and come back to them with a fresh perspective. This is also integral to letting a discussion breathe. For what it’s worth, I did not respond to you as an "autistic editor", but rather as a fellow human being. I can’t make accommodations or change the way I respond to every editor based on their own state of mind or emotional state. I think you would agree that it would be impossible. Viriditas (talk) 06:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I think you'll like the WikiProject I'm cooking up. It's about making Wikipedia articles as truthful as possible

Bruh. No, just no. Just find a topic you enjoy and write about it. Viriditas (talk) 11:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Meta

(Meta: let's refactor this back onto the deletion page when we reach a fixed point, so we're not leaving out everyone else for too long.) Jruderman (talk) 01:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I will reply later when I have free time, but I think we should leave the deletion page alone. Viriditas (talk) 02:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the above, I see only one area of major disagreement. Viriditas (talk) 04:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Or maybe just add a link to this section, rather than trying to refactor everything into the deletion discussion. Jruderman (talk) 17:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

The deletion discussion is closed. Let’s both move on to greener pastures. Viriditas (talk) 19:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Lazarus Syndrome

Hi! I saw your comment at ANI re: Lazarus Syndrome, but didn't want to clutter it further, so I figured I'd come to your talk page. I'm pretty sure Lazarus Syndrome is when a patient revives after being pronounced dead, not actually being dead, which is by definition irreversible. Though in that case, I suppose Lazarus himself never actually died, either, since he allegedly came back. Hm.

Anyway, my apologies for inflicting my own pedantry on you, and thank you for your time! EducatedRedneck (talk) 12:22, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Premature burial was a very real problem during the first century, and according to some authors, was still a real problem into the 20th century. It's hard to know what is true, as most of what have to go on are just anecdotes. Viriditas (talk) 12:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough! And makes sense; very shallow breathing and a weak heartbeat wouldn't be detectable without equipment. Thanks again! EducatedRedneck (talk) 12:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

See also: Swoon hypothesis. Viriditas (talk) 12:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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I'm really sorry if I caused you distress. EEng 23:20, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Rooms by the Sea

Hello! Your submission of Rooms by the Sea at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! 4meter4 (talk) 22:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I took care of it, and it's been approved (with a different hook, alas). --Tryptofish (talk) 21:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Continuation of discussions

I would like to continue my discussion here. You might remember I was talking about a franchise? Pablothepenguin (talk) 17:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

DYK Nathaniel Coe

Thank you for finishing the DYK. I was quite ill and unable to tend things online. AnotherColonialHistorian (talk) 02:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)